Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1592720]I like controlling my money. Why do you give her your money and debit card? She could be going for the long con.[/QUOTE]That was something that just developed over time. Thinking about it, I guess it started as a convenience when we were in strange bars at night, I was new, and It was hard to tell the difference between a 50 or a 500 dp in poor light. Didn't want to do the tourist fumble bit when trying to figure out the bill, and paying it, checking the change etc. in a crowded darkened bar.

But I wouldn't argue with you guys, because your advice is good.

I'm at risk, and I don't recommend it to anyone else. But it's been five years now, and I limit what she could score, because I only cash out enough for a day or so anyway. I'm always taking off for the best safe in the world, my best friend, the ATM machine.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1592727]That was something that just developed over time. Thinking about it, I guess it started as a convenience when we were in strange bars at night, I was new, and It was hard to tell the difference between a 50 or a 500 dp in poor light. Didn't want to do the tourist fumble bit when trying to figure out the bill, and paying it, checking the change etc. in a crowded darkened bar.

But I wouldn't argue with you guys, because your advice is good.

I'm at risk, and I don't recommend it to anyone else. But it's been five years now, and I limit what she could score, because I only cash out enough for a day or so anyway. I'm always taking off for the best safe in the world, my best friend, the ATM machine.[/QUOTE]Ok, Atleast it works for you. Just don't leave 2 lab tops, notepad, Iphone and $3000 laying around, then you should be good. LOL.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1592727] Thinking about it, I guess it started as a convenience when we were in strange bars at night, I was new, and It was hard to tell the difference between a 50 or a 500 dp in poor light. [/QUOTE]I have had similar problem, confounding the bills because of same / similar color.

I am no believer in girl friends, anywhere but I have often given my wallet (which does not contain 1000 dollars of course) to women to settle bills especially those that I feel some chemistry with (so on long trips for example) and always, without fail, they have risen to the occasion and dealt with it as if it were their own money. I think, it is a gesture that pays them respect without so many words.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1592713]If members of this forum were given one million dollars to deliver, I wonder how many would show up with the money and how many would be on a plane for parts unknown.
[/QUOTE]With the money market or even long term CD rates being what they are, $1 M has lost much of its shiny patina but your point is very valid. We all have our breaking points.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1592565]I look back at the two situations I reported on here in May. Were they really rip offs?

The first one gave me the best session I'd ever had down there and wanted more money. From her standpoint if I'd agreed to 1500 for routine STD, she figured If she gave me everything I asked for, no reservations, and I obviously really really enjoyed it, it's worth another 1000. Aside from the principle of the prior agreement she was absulutely right, she was worth it!

The second one who woke me up to leave early, has apologized profusely and texts me almost daily, for another chance to show me how much she "lobes" me.

I can't complain, because I'm smiling too much.[/QUOTE]Oakie its guys like you that makes is hard for cheapy cheapies like me. If you gave her extra 1000 at her insistence and not your liberty- she thinks the next guy will do the same if she begs enough. And if a chica pours on how she "lobes" you- after breaking her deal (I say she had every intension) - and you are entertaining her with for a second chance; she may think its easy and there is no real consequeces to reneging on a deal. I will be foolish to ask you to change your style because its your money and situation. For me- a break off of an agreement is a sign of DISRESPECT. You don't believe me try doing it to a chicas after sex and watch how loco she gets when you cut her pesos short. It happens to allot of us in this sport but a wise and experience monger deals according. If you can't complain she did her trick to the right person.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1592581]Early on I learned that if I gave my passport, debit card, phone, and wallet to my Dominican GF, she would keep them safe and have more respect for my money than I did. We got into this habit where I would put some money for her in the front of the wallet and my money in the back. When I got off the plane I handed my stuff to her. Never actually "paid" for anything. She took care of everything.

Sometimes in the the bar, I would want my wallet back because a chica paying all the bills didn't look very cool or macho. She understood but grabbed it back when I was done and always complained I'd bought too many beers for acquaintances, and tipped too much.

Bottom line, she looked after my money very well, better that I would have done on vacation.

The second day always she headed to the WU office to wire money to her mom, and to her son in New Jersey. She was so happy to do that and within minutes they were on the phone thanking me personally.

The point? Over the years she had ample opportunity to rip me off but I always woke up with more money in my wallet than I thought I should have.

.[/QUOTE]Oakie I want to introduce you to my Nov. Amiga. She is looking for a nice honest man LOL. I see half empty. You see half full. I love this game and your stories.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1592552]I'm always amazed that guys here will consort with the lowest of the low and somehow feel superior to the hoes they are sharing bodily fluids with.[/QUOTE]Guys here consorting with the lowest of the low? Since when are the women in question the lowest of the low? Because you said they were? What posts or posters are you talking about? You making shit up about how people supposedly think, and then making an argument about something you made up. Again? BTW How the hell do you know how guys feel? That they feel superior? Superior how? In what context? I can see guys having the propensity of being and feeling superior due their level of education, income, home training, life experience, sophistication, ability to move around the world more freely, ability to use reason and logic to overcome their mistakes and errors in judgement. Unless you have some specific knowledge of guys sense of superiority that contradicts these basics, I don't see anything wrong with being or feeling superior for those reasons.

[QUOTE]When hoes behave like hoes, guys are suddenly outraged. Must be an ego thing. "They're dirt, but I'm normal and they should act normal" is the way the old song goes. "They should respect my space, be on time, keep their promises and leave my stuff alone", is all I hear. Complaints.[/QUOTE]No what you hear is what ever script of what you think others are saying or thinking in their heads, in your own head. You and a few others in this forum have a habit of being on some sort of crusade against individuals here that share info and testimonials of their trip reports and included in it is on chica behavior. The negative and when it's positive.

Then ya'll want to conjure up some contrived attitude and imply a negative spin on some sense of superiority that these men supposedly possess. That they think of chicas as dirt, biatches and w*****s, lowest of the low and whole array of other characterizations of chicas, mostly manufactured by you disgruntled posters who refuse to acknowledge and assimilate the proper context in which the info is / was conveyed and / or shared by guys in this forum. The problem isn't guys complaints about chicas to whom it applies to. After all there is a healthy mixture of positive as well as negative experiences in this forum. The problem is the major distortion you and a couple of others try to assign to other guys here who may share an unfortunate outcome. And then complain, because these guys took the time to share. So you manufacture some fucked up fallacies of how they supposedly think / feel, and then form an argument as if you are right about them.

Anyone reading this forum in order to be duped, would have to accept your distortion of what guys said about chicas in general, accept your fallacies about how others guys supposedly think and feel. And be stupid enough to believe that you made a valid argument against whoever they are. That is quite an orchestration of using the Red Herring tactic.

I commend guys taking the time to share their stories good, bad and indifferent. Where the chips fall on the story, so be it. You and the other "clones" like to distort and berate the efforts of others who provide good information to warn and reinforce safety for the rest of us who can appreciate those efforts. Discussing, sharing, and complaining about chica behavior aint going to stop or change. Thats one of the reasons for this forum, so guys have a venue to talk about what happened on their trips. If anyone expected or wants to read only posts with positive endings in them and no complaints, or they cant take the volume of complaints, they chose the wrong fucking forum. So learn to deal with it. If you can't cope, no problem. Individuals will just post what they choose anyway. I say and mean what I said with the utmost respect.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1592713]The point is valid, but applies universally to 99.9% of the planet, its just the amount that differs.

If members of this forum were given one million dollars to deliver, I wonder how many would show up with the money and how many would be on a plane for parts unknown.

Many Dominicans would "kill the goose that lays the golden eggs" by taking a large score if it presented itself, (that's also reflected in their business practices) but I believe most of those are hookers. Semi-pros and the like, with no thought of a long-term relationship.

I would bet Oakie's chica sees (or already has) a long term relationship, and will not trash that for a quick score today.

But its never a good idea to put one's honesty limit to the test (we all have one); better not to offer too much temptation.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with all of this. My point was that comparing Oakie giving his girl his wallet with let's say a couple hundred bucks in it with leaving her with the equivalent of what that bobo that lost all that stuff was comparing apples and oranges, señor Bobo lost about $10 K or more in valuables, not too many DR chicas are going to walk away from that kind of payday.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1592581]Early on I learned that if I gave my passport, debit card, phone, and wallet to my Dominican GF, she would keep them safe and have more respect for my money than I did. We got into this habit where I would put some money for her in the front of the wallet and my money in the back. When I got off the plane I handed my stuff to her. Never actually "paid" for anything. She took care of everything.

Sometimes in the the bar, I would want my wallet back because a chica paying all the bills didn't look very cool or macho. She understood but grabbed it back when I was done and always complained I'd bought too many beers for acquaintances, and tipped too much.

Bottom line, she looked after my money very well, better that I would have done on vacation.

The second day always she headed to the WU office to wire money to her mom, and to her son in New Jersey. She was so happy to do that and within minutes they were on the phone thanking me personally.

The point? Over the years she had ample opportunity to rip me off but I always woke up with more money in my wallet than I thought I should have.

In contrast I have known guys who have been cleaned out and almost reduced to bums, by greedy ex-wives. Got them fired too in a couple of cases.

So, to me It's all relative, and I refuse to generalize about any sex, race, creed, or religion.[/QUOTE]Sounds so familiar. My one GF from BKK was very trustworthy. She was a virgin when I met her and she worked in a bank. When we were together she held on to my wallet and she would pay for everything. Next morning she will explain to me the expenses and how much was spent. Never stole even a single penny. The relationship lasted four years and we drifted apart. Sometimes I still contact her just to see how she is doing. She got married to an Australian. She was the good one.

Another girl who is from Phi was good in the beginning but one time she took 3000 pesos from my pocket. I always locked up everything except local money. Previous night we had gone to the casino and I had won 12,000 pesos. I guess she figured I would not notice missing 3000 pesos. Drunk or not drunk I always know how much I have and how much was spent. This is the only time a girl stole my money.

Only other time in Sosua I lost my cheap phone. Cannot blame it on the girl because I do not know what happened.

Usually I do not lock up local money.

Anyway it is natural to trust somebody.

However prudent thing to do is lock up all valuables including money.

Anybody in Sosua now that can provide a report of what's going on whether it's about their exploits with the chicas behind closed doors, the beach, the Strip, the club's, etc. All this ranting and raving over bullshit lately is boring! When I get there in two weeks I'll provide some trip reports of my adventures in fantasy land.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1592727]That was something that just developed over time. Thinking about it, I guess it started as a convenience when we were in strange bars at night, I was new, and It was hard to tell the difference between a 50 or a 500 dp in poor light. Didn't want to do the tourist fumble bit when trying to figure out the bill, and paying it, checking the change etc. in a crowded darkened bar.

But I wouldn't argue with you guys, because your advice is good.

I'm at risk, and I don't recommend it to anyone else. But it's been five years now, and I limit what she could score, because I only cash out enough for a day or so anyway. I'm always taking off for the best safe in the world, my best friend, the ATM machine.[/QUOTE]Have you tried changing your pin with each trip? That could add a layer of safety. Even in the states, I change my pins and passwords for everything regularly.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1592777]Guys here consorting with the lowest of the low?

Then ya'll want to conjure up some contrived attitude and imply a negative spin on some sense of superiority that these men supposedly possess. That they think of chicas as dirt, biatches and w*****s, lowest of the low and whole array of other characterizations of chicas, mostly manufactured by you disgruntled posters who refuse to acknowledge and assimilate the proper context in which the info is / was conveyed and / or shared by guys in this forum. The problem isn't guys complaints about chicas to whom it applies to. After all there is a healthy mixture of positive as well as negative experiences in this forum. The problem is the major distortion you and a couple of others try to assign to other guys here who may share an unfortunate outcome. And then complain, because these guys took the time to share. So you manufacture some fucked up fallacies of how they supposedly think / feel, and then form an argument as if you are right about them.

I commend guys taking the time to share their stories good, bad and indifferent. Where the chips fall on the story, so be it. You and the other "clones" like to distort and berate the efforts of others who provide good information to warn and reinforce safety for the rest of us who can appreciate those efforts. Discussing, sharing, and complaining about chica behavior aint going to stop or change. Thats one of the reasons for this forum, so guys have a venue to talk about what happened on their trips. If anyone expected or wants to read only posts with positive endings in them and no complaints, or they cant take the volume of complaints, they chose the wrong fucking forum. So learn to deal with it. If you can't cope, no problem. Individuals will just post what they choose anyway. I say and mean what I said with the utmost respect.[/QUOTE]Good point. Myself being occasionally guilty as well.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1592552]Look guys, to her you are nothing more than a john.[/QUOTE]Which also applies to the chick you hand over your money and debit card to. Knowing you are nothing more than a John you still entrusted your money and debit card to a hoe? She is fucking other men when you arent there right?

[QUOTE]You may claim to give her the best sex she has ever had, and if you pay her enough, she'll tell you so. But she'll laugh at your ego with her girlfriends.[/QUOTE]And you may claim she has never stolen from you because you've known her 5 yrs, and she'll tell you she won't, if you are paying enough. Which isn't hard to fathom. But she may laugh at your vulnerability and sense of trust when she is with her girlfriends or family behind your back.

[QUOTE]In fact, a hooker has far MORE contempt for a john than he does for her, after all, who is paying who? It's him with the fantasy and her with the acting and the dinero.Don't some of you guys get it yet?[/QUOTE]I don't think you get it. If you believe all of that why would you give a hooker your debit card, knowing deep down she really has contempt for you? Your main value is the benefits you provide? Your fantasy, and her acting and the dinero is no different than anybody elses situation. And while you may believe your situation is better than other guys because they had problems, your gal could easily be playing the long game.

Somebody here said try entrusting more money around the chick and see what happens? I say do other wise. Stop being a WU novio. Stop supporting her family. Just stop all the bennies. Then continue allowing her to hold your debit card. Maybe then you'll get a chance to see a different side of her when you provide a different challenge. Hopefully she won't pass that debit card info over to somebody else instead? Maybe she won't steal from you, but will set out to look for another cash cow. That doesn't mean she was honest all of that time. It could mean she just thought she could get a lot more out of you in the long run, than simply stealing a few thousand dollars. You are probably providing way above what is necessary by WU and when you are with her. So why would she fuck that up for a few measily hundreds / thousands of dollars? It's not necessarily honesty one may possess. It may simply be about the circumstances placed in front of them. Some people appear honest, but they just haven't had the right test put in front of them.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1592792]Have you tried changing your pin with each trip? That could add a layer of safety. Even in the states, I change my pins and passwords for everything regularly.[/QUOTE]Changing pins and passwords is certainly a good idea for a layer of safety. Unfortunately it doesn't help if the individual with bad intentions is able to make certain online purchases because they manage to get all the info they need right on the card. Name, account number, expiration date, and the 3 digit code on the back. That doesn't have to be the chica a guy entrusts, it could be somebody she gives the information to. And the transaction (s) can happen months or weeks down the road to deflect suspicion. The recipient does not have to be someone living in the DR as well. My thing is, why take that chance?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1592801]Changing pins and passwords is certainly a good idea for a layer of safety. Unfortunately it doesn't help if the individual with bad intentions is able to make certain online purchases because they manage to get all the info they need right on the card. Name, account number, expiration date, and the 3 digit code on the back. That doesn't have to be the chica a guy entrusts, it could be somebody she gives the information to. And the transaction (s) can happen months or weeks down the road to deflect suspicion. The recipient does not have to be someone living in the DR as well. My thing is, why take that chance?[/QUOTE]You are preaching to the choir. With few exceptions (Euro countries, Canada, Japan, and Australia), when I visit a country, especailly a developing country, I am all cash all the time. I usually bring 2-3 k and exchange as I go. That way, the only way you lose out is your own fault: being robbed, not reading the check correctly, etc. It also limits the damage to what you are carrying. In many countries, you can get the international banking exchange rate at a cambio. In the PI and Jamaica, I was getting significantly better than the internet official exchange rate. My ATM and credit cards are locked in the safe.

I was just trying to offer a suggestion who someone who seemed determined to stick with an acknowledgely risky convenience.