Bangkok Reports

Coming back to BKK after just a half year, I must say I am I disappointed with the changes in the gogo-bar scene in just this short time. The shows are less good and the girls are less interested in barfine. On Soi Cowboy I go to my old favourite place, Suzie Wong. But the line-up has all changed. Sheba's next door is better these days, no show when I was there, but the girls seemed more approchable. Cactus is still good, nothing like belgian beer and naked girls! Recommended! At Five Stars (a live music bar) I am approached by this pretty girl, a bit drunk, but still nice. And for 1500 ST I go with her. We walk back to my hotel, then something strange happens. She "kidnaps" a baby from a woman that is sitting begging on Sukhumvit! The mother comes running and want the baby back, but the baby is just laughing. Well, eventually the baby is returned and we continue to my hotel. Finally there, I discover that the girl is more drunk than I thought before. I should have noticed that before! Anyway we get showered and undressed and she goes onto a clumsy BBBJ (teeth!) The FS isn't so good either, so I am happy to let her leave after short time.

Another evening I go to Nana Plaza, I look around on some of the newer bars. The one bar that seems best for bf these days is Erotica on the third floor. Pretty girls and they are all interested in getting barfined. Fun talking to them too. I go there twice and buy LDs for two different girls. But I don't go with any. I feel that it's just not worth it. The high Bangkok prices: 700 bf + 2000 ST (they have beds upstairs) or 4000 LT is just to much when you just doesn't know what to expect. There is a high chance that the experience in bed is not so good as the outer apperance of the girl. That's my experience anyway. I got those vibes that it would not be so good. But anybody has a good experience barfining a girl from this place?

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1364875]Coming back to BKK after just a half year, I must say I am I disappointed with the changes in the gogo-bar scene in just this short time. The shows are less good and the girls are less interested in barfine. On Soi Cowboy I go to my old favourite place, Suzie Wong. But the line-up has all changed. Sheba's next door is better these days, no show when I was there, but the girls seemed more approchable. Cactus is still good, nothing like belgian beer and naked girls! Recommended! At Five Stars (a live music bar) I am approached by this pretty girl, a bit drunk, but still nice. And for 1500 ST I go with her. We walk back to my hotel, then something strange happens. She "kidnaps" a baby from a woman that is sitting begging on Sukhumvit! The mother comes running and want the baby back, but the baby is just laughing. Well, eventually the baby is returned and we continue to my hotel. Finally there, I discover that the girl is more drunk than I thought before. I should have noticed that before! Anyway we get showered and undressed and she goes onto a clumsy BBBJ (teeth!) The FS isn't so good either, so I am happy to let her leave after short time.

Another evening I go to Nana Plaza, I look around on some of the newer bars. The one bar that seems best for bf these days is Erotica on the third floor. Pretty girls and they are all interested in getting barfined. Fun talking to them too. I go there twice and buy LDs for two different girls. But I don't go with any. I feel that it's just not worth it. The high Bangkok prices: 700 bf + 2000 ST (they have beds upstairs) or 4000 LT is just to much when you just doesn't know what to expect. There is a high chance that the experience in bed is not so good as the outer apperance of the girl. That's my experience anyway. I got those vibes that it would not be so good. But anybody has a good experience barfining a girl from this place?[/QUOTE]Good report and another good example why the Gogo's are for novices and the unadventurous.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1364474]The best advice anyone could give a newcummer to BKK. Stay in the nana-asok area. It just makes everything so ez and quick!

3000 for 2hoursatdr nurunuru. What a bargain.

1000 barfineatrainbow on Christmas eve didn't seem to deter anyone from barfining. Why? I don't get it. But bf back to 600 on Christmas day.

The absolut concert seriesatsiam finally had an audience. LOL. Imagine being a thai superstar singing to 5 people, which is what I saw for quite a few days.

BKK rocks![/QUOTE]I fully agree with Harold's. I stayed near nana area last week and had a blast. On Soi 5 or 7 (can't remember exactly, but it's the Soi near the traffic lights) , as you enter there is a girlie bar called Morning Evening. That's TE place you may sit for a while especially facing the road. You may either pick one from the bar itself or check the gay walkers on the street and make your choice. After 2 or 3 am, you will find plenty on the street as the bars close around that time.

Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1364932]Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?[/QUOTE]Every hour is happy in NEP and Cowboy! Seriously.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1364932]Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?[/QUOTE]Isn't it happy hour all day when you can happily spend your money.

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1364875]Coming back to BKK after just a half year, I must say I am I disappointed with the changes in the gogo-bar scene in just this short time. The shows are less good and the girls are less interested in barfine. On Soi Cowboy I go to my old favourite place, Suzie Wong. But the line-up has all changed. Sheba's next door is better these days, no show when I was there, but the girls seemed more approchable. Cactus is still good, nothing like belgian beer and naked girls! Recommended! At Five Stars (a live music bar) I am approached by this pretty girl, a bit drunk, but still nice. And for 1500 ST I go with her. We walk back to my hotel, then something strange happens. She "kidnaps" a baby from a woman that is sitting begging on Sukhumvit! The mother comes running and want the baby back, but the baby is just laughing. Well, eventually the baby is returned and we continue to my hotel. Finally there, I discover that the girl is more drunk than I thought before. I should have noticed that before! Anyway we get showered and undressed and she goes onto a clumsy BBBJ (teeth!) The FS isn't so good either, so I am happy to let her leave after short time.

Another evening I go to Nana Plaza, I look around on some of the newer bars. The one bar that seems best for bf these days is Erotica on the third floor. Pretty girls and they are all interested in getting barfined. Fun talking to them too. I go there twice and buy LDs for two different girls. But I don't go with any. I feel that it's just not worth it. The high Bangkok prices: 700 bf + 2000 ST (they have beds upstairs) or 4000 LT is just to much when you just doesn't know what to expect. There is a high chance that the experience in bed is not so good as the outer apperance of the girl. That's my experience anyway. I got those vibes that it would not be so good. But anybody has a good experience barfining a girl from this place?[/QUOTE]JT,

You are making some very valid points.

I am not a fan of Bars at all and I see Bargirls as small little spoiled brats (yeah, call me crazy). Upon discovering that the girl is drunk, can't one send her back to the bar and get the Barfine back?

I guess bars are full of guys with more money than brain these days.

You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?

When I went to HK I did my research and found a few providers at prices I liked, I read reviews of where to go and what to do. OK, business got me away from doing those things but visiting a country where one knows he will monger, preliminary research is essential.

Even the Jappos do it (to some extent) with their RakuRaku magasines, websites, GDiary. Thais have their websites and discussion boards about Massage. Why can't some people research properly and end up in Bangkok paying 10k for a night at Spassos just because they did not know better?

The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1364958]JT,

You are making some very valid points.

I am not a fan of Bars at all and I see Bargirls as small little spoiled brats (yeah, call me crazy). Upon discovering that the girl is drunk, can't one send her back to the bar and get the Barfine back?

I guess bars are full of guys with more money than brain these days.

You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?

When I went to HK I did my research and found a few providers at prices I liked, I read reviews of where to go and what to do. OK, business got me away from doing those things but visiting a country where one knows he will monger, preliminary research is essential.

Even the Jappos do it (to some extent) with their RakuRaku magasines, websites, GDiary. Thais have their websites and discussion boards about Massage. Why can't some people research properly and end up in Bangkok paying 10k for a night at Spassos just because they did not know better?

The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.[/QUOTE]So well stated. Agree with 100 percent of what you wrote.

[QUOTE=Bguy63;1364925]I fully agree with Harold's. I stayed near nana area last week and had a blast. On Soi 5 or 7 (can't remember exactly, but it's the Soi near the traffic lights) , as you enter there is a girlie bar called Morning Evening. That's TE place you may sit for a while especially facing the road. You may either pick one from the bar itself or check the gay walkers on the street and make your choice. After 2 or 3 am, you will find plenty on the street as the bars close around that time.[/QUOTE]"Morning Night" Soi 4.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364958]I am not a fan of Bars at all and I see Bargirls as small little spoiled brats (yeah, call me crazy). Upon discovering that the girl is drunk, can't one send her back to the bar and get the Barfine back?[/QUOTE]Yes they are spoiled brats. Don't want to do Anal, nor CIM, and don't want to follow your orders.

The main benefit of BGs used to be LT so you can have a round as soon as you wake up, but LT is getting harder to come by.

Slightly drunk girls are okay but badly drunk, no. Send her back if drunk? That sounds silly. You should know very well if she is too drunk before BFing her.

I find bars can still provide good girls for me, but only use occassionally, as long as girl is in no hurry, and I have no time limit. I mainly take two at a time (sometimes even 3) , and mainly girls that I know already that are a lot of fun.

The biggest advantage of bars, is having a very large amount of time to choose girls very carefully, getting a face, body and personality that suits. No surprises. If unsure, then pass. The exception is super hot girls that must be BFed very quickly to beat the other guys. These are often known to be good girls already.

There is no doubt that bar girls vary tremendously. Favourite bar girls can be a lot of fun, but probably not comparible to Tulip, Mango, SW of course for PSE requirements.

I know people who don't care to read or research. They are just flat out lazy. They go to their destination, not knowing any better, and pay more than they have to. They just don't care.

Some people have the desire to do research for their holiday destination and many more don't. This ratio is no better today than it was 10-20 or 50 years ago. This ratio will never change.

Just because the internet is there that won't make the lazy any less lazy. The same personalities will overpay and the same personalities will do their research and only pay rock bottom. As before, again, this ratio will never change.

Those who constantly complain about prices going up are those who are aging and have the history to compare the difference. Chalk it up to inflation and changing market conditions. Those who complain are just getting old and are looking for someone else to blame the prices on.

Bottom line is the prices, like water, seeks its own level with respect to the ever changing world conditions and people bring this with them and display it via their own wallets. It has got nothing to do with other travelers because their mentalities, again, have not changed in recent generations. This is just the way it is. Free market conditions, nothing more.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1364958]JT,

I guess bars are full of guys with more money than brain these days.

You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?

The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364958]The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.[/QUOTE]Come on Nic, they don't want to ruin the mood!

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1365007]Just because the internet is there that won't make the lazy any less lazy. The same personalities will overpay and the same personalities will do their research and only pay rock bottom. As before, again, this ratio will never change.[/QUOTE]For those that really want to pay rock bottom, what are they doing in Bangkok? Isn't Bangkok considered to be over-priced?

What about Pattaya and Phnom Penh?

Some people want some quality and value for money rather than rock bottom. They don't stay in rock bottom Hotels, don't eat in rock bottom restaurants, and don't want rock bottom girls. When buying a phone, computer, whatever, they are looking for certain features, and will take it, as long is not outside their budget. As a I want a quality computer that never breaks down with faults. Its not the rock bottom brand, its not the exorbitant brand. Its value for money. When I go to the supermarket, I buy what I want to eat, not what ever has the best bargain price.

I have no interest in rock bottom whatsoever, so I am obviously in the "overpay" camp (actually mid range). However, I hate wasting a lot of time on hunting for the lowest price, or wasting time on very average girls. I don't want to save 500 Baht by choosing a much plainer looking girl. A fair price is quite adequate for me. At MPs the price is set but I control any extra tip. I don't take the top price category models at Soapies, because they don't look that superior to the mid range girls. Most bar girls don't even negotiate a price with me, so I have complete control deciding what I think it was worth. I must be fair, as they keep coming back.

I'll always try to avoid wasting my time on rock bottom girls. I want quality, and value for money where possible. 2 hours with my favourite Annies model. That is great value for money to me. My favourite girls at other soapies (just two) are slightly dearer, but quality. I located them myself, with no help from the internet.

As to research, mostly you have to do your own research when there is time available. Surfing the internet is not adequate. It's the lazy way.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1365043]...Some people want some quality and value for money rather than rock bottom. They don't stay in rock bottom Hotels, don't eat in rock bottom restaurants, and don't want rock bottom girls...[/QUOTE]You are completely right, but when I spend more on a computer or a hotel I can see the difference. With girls that is not always the case.
If too many pay too much for something it is called inflation.