Kyiv

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2536946]For most of the girls it is not about luxury, but rather making ends meet. ........................My income is high, and I consider it a charity donation, certainly not an insurance against any of the girls being promiscuous.[/QUOTE]Beautifully said.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2536892]Did something happen in Kiev with the apartments / salons last night? Seems like all my saved Telegram channels are inactive today, usually they will be online and answer 24/7.[/QUOTE]Any update on this concern?

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2538469]Beautifully said.[/QUOTE]A wise man told me this about certain Ukrainian lady:

- She is not your girlfriend or wife.

Few other words have been added in private. I applied this concept to all of my overseas practice ever since. And life became so much more fulfilling and beautiful!

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Limarian;2538239]I have noticed that several of the massage places offer 'all night' options. This even though their sites expressly say 'no sex' and the menus preclude anything beyond an erotic massage. I just wonder what two naked people sharing a bed will find to do in a situation like that.[/QUOTE]After the massage, just cuddle each other and fall asleep.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2538468]Don't give up on Kiev. It takes some work but once you get into the groove, Kiev can be a blast. Takes one long visit or couple of short visits. Kiev has a lot of options.[/QUOTE]Any tips? Are you talking about with local girls or escort ads?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2538343]It seems like Kiev has all the makings of a city that should be great for this. But it just isn't.

Been trying to message profiles from some of the common (and uncommon) escort sites. Most either don't respond or their number isn't even on WhatsApp despite the profile saying it is.

There's a sauna I know about where the girls aren't the best looking. I've gotten 1 response from a website profile. But I haven't gone to see her yet so I can't tell you if the pics are real.[/QUOTE]Your assessment is totally correct. Kiev is very hit and miss at best. Not even in the top 15 top destinations. Too many scams and fake profiles. There are much better options. Nothing wrong with hard work, but you have to justify your time. Once Europe reopens is doors Kiev is done. Some guys refuse to admit this, they are doing a disservice to newbies.

How a guy can write reports and not even discuss how SA being regulated in Kiev, tells you how accurate his reports are.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2538786]Any tips? Are you talking about with local girls or escort ads?[/QUOTE]Honorable Vitrea can explain his approach himself.

My success rate greatly increased when I did precisely what he recommends. Traveled to Kiev frequently, and stayed at least 3 weeks for each trip, then 6, then 8. That's when some of the random hourly agency girls from Viber and Telegram channels became regulars, and they know other girls, and after 2-3 trips, unlike our drama resident hating troll I became double, even triple booked on some of the days with insanely attractive genuinely passionate ladies, many of those I rated well above 10 on my own scale on more than one KPI.

Another gentleman just returned from Kiev, had a blast with his regulars and newly discovered girls, and literally not enough time for all the females available to him personally. The other two gentlemen I know are in Kiev as happy expats. Wish I could join them!

Escort girls frequently are locals. Converting them to your personal contacts takes effort, and sifting through many candidates. And that's part of fun. Perhaps on occasion I am addicted more to the search itself, rather than the girls.

If you are in Kiev for 5-7 days then almost forget it. Simply go sightseeing and save your money. There's a chance, and miracles happen, but the Kiev game typically does take longer. If you are new, but are in Kiev for a month or longer than chances for success increase tremendously. Everybody starts at some point. Best of luck!

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2538942]
Perhaps on occasion I am addicted more to the search itself, rather than the girls.[/QUOTE]Me, too. I am routinely shedding very attractive and deeply GFE young ladies to try out new young ladies. I do about 4 overnights with my sponsorette every week and average 2-3 other sessions. I simply do not have time to see all the girls that I have available to see. And they are mostly better, or far better than the 200+ girls I have done P4P with in other cities of the world. Yes, I would rather be in Moscow if I had work there, but Kyiv is a great place to be if you have the time here.

Most of my girls over the last 4 moths have been either Mamba or referrals.

As a mutual friend of PhotoSlider and myself said, I have a type...and I am very good at finding that type.

Very well said. My MO is very similar, though I only go for a week at a time. I attribute my success to positive attitude and how I treat girls. With those two, it is not that Hard to build a network in any country or city. I don't treat them like hookers. I choose classy and educated girls whenever possible and I romance each and everyone of them and make them feel special for the time they are with me. I play music, have champagne and cheese handy. I dance and smoke. I always have a high quality massage oil by my bed and I use it frequently. They get sex almost every night but they are not romanced or massaged. By the time they are ready to leave, they want to come back or willing to send their friends.

I am also friendly with madams that send me girls. I send them small gifts. Give a little and the world gives you back in spades.

I am not saying Kiev is easy. All I am saying is that I have a blast and so do all my friends.

I don't understand guys that are constantly on this forum and writing how bad Kiev is. Weird. Say that it was bad for you with concrete reports of why it was bad and let others decide if it is worth it or not. I am going soon and this is my third time in a year. I hope to have fun and hope you all do too.

My mongering mantra: Be assertive but stay positive.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2538942]Honorable Vitrea can explain his approach himself.

My success rate greatly increased when I did precisely what he recommends. Traveled to Kiev frequently, and stayed at least 3 weeks for each trip, then 6, then 8. That's when some of the random hourly agency girls from Viber and Telegram channels became regulars, and they know other girls, and after 2-3 trips, unlike our drama resident hating troll I became double, even triple booked on some of the days with insanely attractive genuinely passionate ladies, many of those I rated well above 10 on my own scale on more than one KPI.

Another gentleman just returned from Kiev, had a blast with his regulars and newly discovered girls, and literally not enough time for all the females available to him personally. The other two gentlemen I know are in Kiev as happy expats. Wish I could join them!

Escort girls frequently are locals. Converting them to your personal contacts takes effort, and sifting through many candidates. And that's part of fun. Perhaps on occasion I am addicted more to the search itself, rather than the girls.

If you are in Kiev for 5-7 days then almost forget it. Simply go sightseeing and save your money. There's a chance, and miracles happen, but the Kiev game typically does take longer. If you are new, but are in Kiev for a month or longer than chances for success increase tremendously. Everybody starts at some point. Best of luck![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2538786]Any tips? Are you talking about with local girls or escort ads?[/QUOTE]My favorite starting place is apartments. I am not kidding when I say, start with the numbers from the guys giving out flyers. All you need is three or four of those and you expand from it. Most agencies are networked. You describe who you want and they will find her for you. The apartment owners / madams have to make money. If the girl has to come from another madam, the arranging madam will add a small commission on top so it might cost you 100 to 150 more. I don't whine about it. Before the girl leaves, I always ask the girl which number to call when I want to see her again. If she gives a different number, use that number next time and she may be 100 less but more important than that, you expanded your network. Your goal is expand to independents or find apartment girls that will see you in their off time. I am typically on time crunch so I try to do three dates a day so but the end of second or third day ( after 6 -8 dates), I will be likely seeing independent girls. I also do clubs and occasionally splurge at expensive night clubs like Rio, but that is rare. It gives me more pleasure to party in my pajamas with a college age girl, while shooting her next Instagram photo.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2539218]Me, too. I am routinely shedding very attractive and deeply GFE young ladies to try out new young ladies. I do about 4 overnights with my sponsorette every week and average 2-3 other sessions. I simply do not have time to see all the girls that I have available to see. And they are mostly better, or far better than the 200+ girls I have done P4P with in other cities of the world.[/QUOTE]You have substantial financial power and been considered local. That's the main advantage. You are also in great physical shape, and being tall is a major attraction for ladies.

[QUOTE]Yes, I would rather be in Moscow if I had work there, but Kyiv is a great place to be if you have the time here.[/QUOTE]Ever heard of certain difficulties Michael Calvey had in Moscow? Ukraine is corrupt, no questions. In Russia the government itself runs racket and extortion. Visa aside, as beautiful and willing as the girls are over there in Moscow (and I had my share there) for the time being overall I would consider it not much better than Ethiopia. Protests across the Russia are down for now, but Addis Ababa also has stunning ladies, and I am not going there any time soon either.

BTW, friend of mine had a misfortune in one of the African countries. He happened to have unprotected sex with a gorgeous black princess in the midst of all the HIV breakdown. And next morning confided to his wing man, worker at the Embassy of a certain European country. The gentleman replied with:

- Oh, you going to be fine. But don't ever do it again!

[QUOTE]Most of my girls over the last 4 moths have been either Mamba or referrals.

As a mutual friend of PhotoSlider and myself said, I have a type...and I am very good at finding that type.[/QUOTE]Yes, you do have a type. And the above mentioned sponsorette is indeed a true gem to behold and cherish.

In fact that very same mutual friend opened my eyes on the aforementioned search addiction. Being a classy gentleman, he rarely points character flaws of others. Instead he mentioned that feature as observed in his own actions. I simply made a conclusion for myself. It's an obsession during the hunt.

Hi all,

I hope this is the right place for this question.

I have just been offered a new job with the option to be based out of Kiev.

What sort of salary should I be looking at (in EUR or USD net) to live comfortably and also be able to monger / maintain a sponsorette or two? For example, how much would a typical monthly allowance be for a student / office girl?

I am familiar with the scene in Kiev as a tourist but unsure how things pan out when one is there permanently.

Thanks very much for your help.

[QUOTE=MrLessing;2540357]
For example, how much would a typical monthly allowance be for a student / office girl?
[/QUOTE]People will say I am paying too much for Kyiv but I think I am getting a bargain. But I pay a total of about $1500-1700 a month to an extraordinary young woman that could not be more perfect for me physically and is by far the best lover I have ever had in well over 200 women. That $1600ish includes $600 a month for a nice apartment, up to $200 for utilities in the winter, an occasional small gift, and the rest is direct compensation or allowance. I stay the night with her however often I want which is usually about 4 nights a week and she will do anything I want.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2540751]People will say I am paying too much for Kyiv but I think I am getting a bargain. But I pay a total of about $1500-1700 a month to an extraordinary young woman that could not be more perfect for me physically and is by far the best lover I have ever had in well over 200 women. That $1600ish includes $600 a month for a nice apartment, up to $200 for utilities in the winter, an occasional small gift, and the rest is direct compensation or allowance. I stay the night with her however often I want which is usually about 4 nights a week and she will do anything I want.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for your candid and comprehensive reply. That was exactly the information I needed.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2540751]People will say I am paying too much for Kyiv but I think I am getting a bargain. But I pay a total of about $1500-1700 a month to an extraordinary young woman that could not be more perfect for me physically and is by far the best lover I have ever had in well over 200 women. That $1600ish includes $600 a month for a nice apartment, up to $200 for utilities in the winter, an occasional small gift, and the rest is direct compensation or allowance. I stay the night with her however often I want which is usually about 4 nights a week and she will do anything I want.[/QUOTE]Yummy, please correct any of the mistakes below, and forgive my verbose analysis, as it is obvious you are in Paradise on Earth since August.

$800/ month for a beautiful girl that matches all your requirements, including perfect behavior. Definitely a 10+.

$200/ week, $50/ overnight. Even if one considers the above apartment rent out of your pocket, it is $100/ night. More than affordable. Whoever thinks you overpay, can go to Kiev and prove otherwise. And yes, I can confirm she is not only exceptionally beautiful, but also, AFAICT from our Viber conversations, a highly intelligent young woman.

Apartment is downtown, great location, classy. Not a damp on the outskirts away from civilization.

Now, add to this the price of a separate apartment for meeting other girls. Also a smart move by YummiPL. This allows to continue hunting, keep the pool of additional regulars, update it as needed, try the fresh ones for entertainment, and return to reliable sponsorette at any time. For both apartments this means $1500, give or take. $800 for sponsorette. Perhaps another 10-15 girls a month at $100 each on average for multiple hours. Food can be no less than $10/ day, was more like $30-50/ day for me.

I kept one apartment, juggled trough 4 regulars, and dozens of hourly girls. That was difficult at times. Committing to one girl staying at my place meant that if in about 3-4 days she didn't have a need to go to her University, or something else, I told her that I have to leave for business, and asked her to move out. At least temporarily, depending on her behavior. At the same time there were nights when I happened to be alone. After 6 weeks I didn't feel desperate anymore)) but having a reliably perfect young woman available at any moment is golden.

How long did it take for YummiPL to create his Paradise setup? Perhaps 2-4 weeks to get completely settled, and work out all the kinks. Keep in mind that he is a well seasoned traveler, an experienced monger, swiftly brushing off any attempts at taking advantage of him. Scams are in the mind of beholder. If a troll, after personal misfortunes in Kiev so many years ago, is still spewing vitriol, and thinks that every other woman in Kiev is a scammer, then those women say screw you, and will reciprocate. Maybe by being intrinsically evil, or by no fault of their own, women are the mirror. Ask, and you shall receive. Treat the girl nicely, as Vitrea does, and you will be paid back in spades.

$60 K / year for living like a King, - say no more than $100 K before US taxes. If expenses are watched tightly, $40 K would do it. No mortgage, no property tax. Kiev is not cheap, yet no way this life style is possible in the West.