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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1365043]...Some people want some quality and value for money rather than rock bottom. They don't stay in rock bottom Hotels, don't eat in rock bottom restaurants, and don't want rock bottom girls...[/QUOTE]You are completely right, but when I spend more on a computer or a hotel I can see the difference. With girls that is not always the case.
If too many pay too much for something it is called inflation.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1365043]I have no interest in rock bottom whatsoever, so I am obviously in the "overpay" camp (actually mid range). However, I hate wasting a lot of time on hunting for the lowest price, or wasting time on very average girls. I don't want to save 500 Baht by choosing a much plainer looking girl. A fair price is quite adequate for me. At MPs the price is set but I control any extra tip. I don't take the top price category models at Soapies, because they don't look that superior to the mid range girls. Most bar girls don't even negotiate a price with me, so I have complete control deciding what I think it was worth. I must be fair, as they keep coming back.[/QUOTE]It's not about Rock Bottom or Overpaying, it's about the trend or message that you are sending. Just like the other bloke that paid the girl 1, 000 extra to lick her pussy.
If all cute girls were offering 4k LT and no one was buying, then they would have to consider dropping. The issue is that there are a lot of guys agreeing to pay inflated prices.
I have money, I cannot complain about that, but the idea of paying 4k LT is a no-no for me, why should I? I am not a Pigeon.
As for your reference to MPs, well, some MPs are cheating customers: they put a Farang surcharge and all the Bozos accept to pay with a smile.
Farang surcharge is not about Dick size since most women can take a big size cock without any problem. It's about the business trying to make an extra 500 on the back of the white buffalo who doesn't know better (or he knows but still pays) : La Belle, Utopia. All have surcharges. That's why I stick to Annies and Nataree which do not discriminate by color.
But I understand, everyone is going to back their way, it's an ego defense.
When I go to bars, I pay 1, 5k for ST and max 3k LT. Girls already made money with the Barfine and the drinks.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1365046]You are completely right, but when I spend more on a computer or a hotel I can see the difference. With girls that is not always the case.
If too many pay too much for something it is called inflation.[/QUOTE]I want to see the difference, the face, the figure, and still experience a great time with a girl willing to have fun. If she is ugly, or even ordinary, I don't bother. Having had a GF with superior looks, its hard to drop down to a lower level.
Yes, I agree a stunning starfish, is a massive disappointment, I have experienced, but not many recently. I do recall a La Belle girl. 3 months back, who stiffened up once it got to the sex part. Fortunately was not wasting a fortune. Then there was a pretty girl disaster at Pink. Its quite a long time since I had a pathetic Bargirl (not experienced at all) out of Tilac, wasn't exactly stunning either, and one somewhat boring stunner out of Rainbow 4. Learning from the mistakes is important and you change your choosing procedures. You really watch for the chemistry. Not many girls are good at putting on a fake chemistry act. It just comes accross fake.
I really do tend to trust bargirls that allow me to decide the payment afterwards. They are usually great performers. My big problem in MPs is it is more of a punt if nothing is known about the girl. No time to evaluate the chemistry.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1365052]I really do tend to trust bargirls that allow me to decide the payment afterwards. They are usually great performers. My big problem in MPs is it is more of a punt if nothing is known about the girl. No time to evaluate the chemistry.[/QUOTE]Really? I always thought that at Soapies you could motion the girl and buy her a drink before deciding to take her or not? Maybe I was mistaken
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1365056]Really? I always thought that at Soapies you could motion the girl and buy her a drink before deciding to take her or not? Maybe I was mistaken[/QUOTE]Sure, sometimes, if time permits, however it doesn't work as well as at bars where there is no need to decide very quickly.
At bars you can play up more. E. G. Can sneak a kiss or more from girl. Bargirls do not need to act demurely. At soapies it is not so noisy so chat seems less private and girls will tend to behave demurely.
Sometimes a soapy girl seems fantastic right up till the sex part, when she suddenly gets scared and tense, or the dreaded sponge is encountered, and it all becomes difficult. So chemistry checking is not foolproof. Only a low percentage of Soapy girls are outstanding enough to make the favourites list and therefore I have very few. I probably have a much greater repeat rate with bargirls, and even with Oily girls. I therefore understand well why difficult guys don't like soapies much at all, especially if a bath with the girl iis considered time wasting.
Don't have that option to spend time with girl first much at Oilies. There maybe exceptions.
Not long ago went to Tharn Thong, north of Meng Jai intersection, Huai Khwang. It seems to be a cross between an Oily and a Soapy. Oil type massage and Ancient massage available but like a soapy setup with fish bowl and soapy type of rooms. Could call the girl for a drink I guess, but I didn't this time. Soapy bath possible although it wasn't that large. Not many Farangs go there, and when they do they usually skip the massage as have limited time away from "she who must be obeyed". Girls generally do not speak English at all, I guess.
My girl did only ancient massage (she did not know oil massage) so we kept the massage part very short indeed. Others were Oil massage specialists.
In these types of establishments, girls are less often shaven. Certainly no pornstars but BBBJ was adequately good. Did not find a favorite special girl there yet. Its a bit off the beaten mongering track. Used MRT and motorcycle.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1365043]For those that really want to pay rock bottom, what are they doing in Bangkok? Isn't Bangkok considered to be over-priced?
What about Pattaya and Phnom Penh?[/QUOTE]I read on another forum, this clown in Sihanoukville is paying $10-$25 for meth-addicted Cambodian freelancers. And anything north of $30 it's overpaying. I have no idea if they're any good looking, but I'd have to guess the answer would be no LOL
Bangkok prices are getting very high. For example, a BJ bar in Bangkok will run you about $23. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.
Pattaya BR girls are $17 ST. Bar girls can be had for $30 LT if you do it right.
In my experience, Cambodia is ABSOLUTELY NOT the place to go for cheap tail, unless you're up for crack addict street walkers, which you can get at home.
Central America, South America and the Caribbean still has lots of cheap ST action in the right spots at $6. $16.
ST action in the Philippines is $17. Prices for LT are even getting a little high there.
If you're into BJ's, Ho Chi Minh City has a bunch of Hot Tocs where some very hot early 20's chicks will give you BBBJCIM for $11.
There's also cheap stuff available in China and parts of Africa, but you have to know where to look.
And then there are guys that prefer a quality fuck (whatever that might mean for anyone) over a cheap fuck
I like it all. Cheap fucks have their times. Sometimes they can also be quality. Expensive fucks aren't necessarily quality. Many times they're not.
In an ideal scenario I have a cheap fuck or suck once a day, followed by a reasonably priced performance that leaves us both happy.
Everyone has their likes and dislikes. My only problems come from hyperinflation (when prices go up 100-200% in a very short amount of time) and totally abstract pricing (for example Phnom Penh, in one of the world's poorest countries, with much more supply than demand, with bar girls asking 50, 75, 100 for a night). I also hate it when I fly half way around the world to find Western style bullshit (like paying for lapdances in Thailand).
[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365159]Bangkok prices are getting very high. For example, a BJ bar in Bangkok will run you about $23. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.[/QUOTE]In Bangkok, you can get FS for $9. 80 if you know where to look (it's been reviewed here before). And in my opinion, $23 is chump change unless you're on a budget. But I think most tourists coming here don't mind the $23. The expats may, especially if they're English teachers struggling to make a living.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1365051]It's not about Rock Bottom or Overpaying, it's about the trend or message that you are sending. Just like the other bloke that paid the girl 1, 000 extra to lick her pussy.[/QUOTE]Yea but Nic you are complaining about something that you and the people here as a whole have just about no control over.
Every single day there is a guy paying the extra 1K to lick a girls pussy. And every single day there are guys booting a girl for even suggesting the extra money for the same.
These market conditions raise and lower the ratio of guys willing to pay more. The girls can feel the pulse and they charge more if they feel they can now get it.
Continuing to spew venom about individuals here for abusing the pricing structure might help one or two people but in the grand scheme of things you will not be affecting the long term pricing one IOTA. That would be like trying to stop an avalanche.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1365052]I want to see the difference, the face, the figure, and still experience a great time with a girl willing to have fun. If she is ugly, or even ordinary, I don't bother. Having had a GF with superior looks, its hard to drop down to a lower level.[/QUOTE]We are very similar in modus operandi.
I for the life of me can't understand how so many guys can go with ugly, fat, average girls and say, well you are just looking at a head bobbing up and down so I don't care if she is ugly. [B]Life is just too short to be f-ing with sub par girls[/B]. But that is just me though. This is the main reason why I may not be suited to the Dr BJ bar scene. If one in 20 is decent looking it may just not be worth my time. I will see once I get over there though.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365159]Bangkok prices are getting very high.[/QUOTE]I bet there were some saying the same thing. 20 years ago. 10 years ago and surely 5 years ago. The prices "are" what they "are". You either pay them or step aside for somebody else. It is that simple.