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A shrewd and intelligent explanation. Thank you, too.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2541398]Yummy, please correct any of the mistakes below, and forgive my verbose analysis, as it is obvious you are in Paradise on Earth since August.

$800/ month for a beautiful girl that matches all your requirements, including perfect behavior. Definitely a 10+.

$200/ week, $50/ overnight. Even if one considers the above apartment rent out of your pocket, it is $100/ night. More than affordable. Whoever thinks you overpay, can go to Kiev and prove otherwise. And yes, I can confirm she is not only exceptionally beautiful, but also, AFAICT from our Viber conversations, a highly intelligent young woman.

Apartment is downtown, great location, classy. Not a damp on the outskirts away from civilization..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrLessing;2540357]Hi all,

I hope this is the right place for this question.

I have just been offered a new job with the option to be based out of Kiev.

What sort of salary should I be looking at (in EUR or USD net) to live comfortably and also be able to monger / maintain a sponsorette or two? For example, how much would a typical monthly allowance be for a student / office girl?

I am familiar with the scene in Kiev as a tourist but unsure how things pan out when one is there permanently.

Thanks very much for your help.[/QUOTE]3000 € per month and you will live like a King. 2000 € is possible, but not with several girls on sponsorship. Good Apartment near Center is 7-800 €. 1000-1500 € For girls and partying. Food and transport is cheap, maybe around 3-400 €.

[QUOTE=MrLessing;2541710]A shrewd and intelligent explanation. Thank you, too.[/QUOTE]Search for reports by Kozerog. His are excellent. He is on the other end of the spectrum. In total control of the budget, financially independent, has currently one girl that he is happy with, and he compensates her adequately.

AFAIK he went through his research phase and doesn't see any point to diversify that much. Maybe I am wrong. All his other expenses, outside of females, are truly minimal, which definitely served as a good example to follow for me in 2018-2019, when I fired my personal driver / event manager for being greedy, and switched to walking anywhere within 1 hour. Kiev is very walkable, plus eye candy is everywhere. I also completed rapid fire sports fucking, and concentrated my funds and efforts on 4 regulars. That helped to save 2-3 fold.

Search for Kozerog's reports 2-4 years back, and read them all. Lots of wisdom on many points, including how to hunt and establish acceptable rapport. No need for me to distort anything, he explains in his own words the cost of living in Kiev in sufficient detail.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2541915]AFAIK he went through his research phase and doesn't see any point to diversify that much. [/QUOTE]Yes, I'm happy with the girl I have and want no one else. But even though we have been seeing each other 5 years and never once quarreled or exchanged hard words, I know I might someday have to replace her, which is why I continue to follow this forum, so I know what my options are.

I still pay the girl per meeting, same as first time we met, and avoid making any promises about the future. This method works well if you just want a reliable quality sex partner and dislike control over girls because control implies responsibility and obligations. YummyPL's apartment / allowance arrangement works better if you do want control. Every guy has to figure out himself whether more independence or more control makes him happier.

Thanks once again to all who replied to my query. Very helpful and informative. Hope to see you all in Kyiv soon.

[QUOTE=MrLessing;2540357]Hi all,

I hope this is the right place for this question.

I have just been offered a new job with the option to be based out of Kiev.

What sort of salary should I be looking at (in EUR or USD net) to live comfortably and also be able to monger / maintain a sponsorette or two? For example, how much would a typical monthly allowance be for a student / office girl?

I am familiar with the scene in Kiev as a tourist but unsure how things pan out when one is there permanently.

Thanks very much for your help.[/QUOTE]

After almost a year of waiting patiently, I was finally able to book a flight to Kiev. For the last week of May. I've read this thread a lot and have tested online searching for girls. I don't have the feel for 'the hunt' anymore, and I've learned in the last couple of years that two regulars with whom the sex is always great is way better than 10 new girls a year.

I don't speak nor understand any Russian or Ukraine, only English. So I realize that my chances for a good time in Kiev, apart the joys of regular tourism and eye-candy, are low.

I'll try to use some of the agencies through Telegram / Viber and put on an upgraded (paid) profile Badoo, Tinder and Mamba (maybe a month or couple of weeks before the trip) and hope for the best. I haven't ever used "apartments" or "salons", and since I don't know the language and have heard that it's quite a luck to find good looking girls there, I might not take the risk. I'd feel it a bit unsafe to go to such places and socially unease if I would have to decline the girls presented for me.

If the covid-situation gets better and the Kiev will be otherwise a good experience, I'll go for a Minsk-Kiev trip at the end of summer.

I don't know if it's customary here, but if someone feels like he could have any good connections to share with me, I'd be glad to know. If I understood correctly, getting the subscription for the forum will allow the sending and receiving of private messages.

I was told Ukraine is going into quarantine today for about a month.

Effect unknown? BTW Paris also.

[QUOTE=IndusMint;2542360]I was told Ukraine is going into quarantine today for about a month.

Effect unknown? BTW Paris also.[/QUOTE]Yesterday began a three-week lockdown in Kiev which is scheduled to be lifted on April 10, for now. It will all depend on the continued rise in virus cases. Shopping centers are closed, restaurants are on take-out only, no mass gatherings except violent protests against the president, along with the usual attempts by business owners to skirt the rules and remain secretly open and working.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2542072]Yes, I'm happy with the girl I have and want no one else. But even though we have been seeing each other 5 years and never once quarreled or exchanged hard words, I know I might someday have to replace her, which is why I continue to follow this forum, so I know what my options are.

I still pay the girl per meeting, same as first time we met, and avoid making any promises about the future. This method works well if you just want a reliable quality sex partner and dislike control over girls because control implies responsibility and obligations. YummyPL's apartment / allowance arrangement works better if you do want control. Every guy has to figure out himself whether more independence or more control makes him happier.[/QUOTE]Great thoughts of yours incur so many associations! Control with implied responsibility and obligations, versus independence.

Then there is a third concept of reliability, making a triangle with those two. Is the girl under complete control more reliable? Would I perceive obligations and responsibility as a burden?

Take a look at the girl (or few regulars) that comes for somewhat predefined periods of time, and provides great service on a transactional basis, that fully matches the requirements. Is she more reliable than the one on a monthly maintenance fee? Perhaps she is, simply because she does not have that much control over her partner / customer, and interaction boundaries are set.

"Suum cuique" - To each his own.

So there is this triangle: Control-Independence-Reliability. And then one might extend it into a three-dimensional triangular tetrahedron, a pyramid composed of four triangular faces, where at the apex I place something characterized as "Satisfaction" or "Happiness" or "Rewarding Experience" or "Health" - mental or somatic. Good sex helps with the latter.

That state of being content isn't the same as control. Not for all of us. Some prefer more creative volatility, addicted to search and hunt, some need revolving door, some are jealous and want full dedication, some don't care. Likewise, independence may translate to happiness for some, while others like being submissive.

Reliability goes along the same lines. Hence, tetrahedron.

My 2 cents.

From the government of Ukraine:

From March 24,2021, all foreign citizens, without exception, regardless of the country of arrival to enter Ukraine must have a policy (certificate) of insurance issued by an insurance company registered in Ukraine or a foreign insurance company that has a representative office in Ukraine or a contractual relationship with an insurance company. A partner on the territory of Ukraine (assistance), and covers the costs related to the treatment of COVID-19, observation, and is valid for the entire period of stay in Ukraine.

As well as a negative result of testing for COVID-19 by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) that was done no more than 72 hours before crossing the state border.

For foreign citizens, there is no possibility to do the PCR test in Ukraine or self-isolate. In the absence of a test and / or insurance policy the border crossing for entry or transit will be denied.

The insurance policy, which was purchased through the portal, can be transferred for the required period for the tourist. The procedure for changing dates can be carried out several times.

A person's presence of a certificate of antibodies to COVID-19 or a vaccination certificate does not exempt him from the need to have the results of testing for COVID-19 by PCR before crossing the state border.

This is tied into the rapid rise of those coming down with Covid and the lockdowns in much of the country.

[QUOTE=UkeBoy;2543848]From the government of Ukraine:

From March 24,2021, all foreign citizens, without exception, regardless of the country of arrival to enter Ukraine must have a policy (certificate) of insurance issued by an insurance company registered in Ukraine or a foreign insurance company that has a representative office in Ukraine or a contractual relationship with an insurance company. A partner on the territory of Ukraine (assistance), and covers the costs related to the treatment of COVID-19, observation, and is valid for the entire period of stay in Ukraine.

As well as a negative result of testing for COVID-19 by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) that was done no more than 72 hours before crossing the state border.

For foreign citizens, there is no possibility to do the PCR test in Ukraine or self-isolate. In the absence of a test and / or insurance policy the border crossing for entry or transit will be denied.

The insurance policy, which was purchased through the portal, can be transferred for the required period for the tourist. The procedure for changing dates can be carried out several times.

A person's presence of a certificate of antibodies to COVID-19 or a vaccination certificate does not exempt him from the need to have the results of testing for COVID-19 by PCR before crossing the state border.

This is tied into the rapid rise of those coming down with Covid and the lockdowns in much of the country.[/QUOTE]

I find it interesting that some countries, including the USA, requires even their own citizens to have negative covid result to enter, while Ukraine doesn't.

[QUOTE=UkeBoy;2543848]From the government of Ukraine:

From March 24,2021, all foreign citizens, without exception, regardless of the country of arrival to enter Ukraine must have a policy (certificate) of insurance issued by an insurance company registered in Ukraine or a foreign insurance company that has a representative office in Ukraine or a contractual relationship with an insurance company. A partner on the territory of Ukraine (assistance), and covers the costs related to the treatment of COVID-19, observation, and is valid for the entire period of stay in Ukraine.

As well as a negative result of testing for COVID-19 by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) that was done no more than 72 hours before crossing the state border.

For foreign citizens, there is no possibility to do the PCR test in Ukraine or self-isolate. In the absence of a test and / or insurance policy the border crossing for entry or transit will be denied.

The insurance policy, which was purchased through the portal, can be transferred for the required period for the tourist. The procedure for changing dates can be carried out several times.[/QUOTE]This isn't new. I was in Ukraine from March 7th - 9th and I had to buy the insurance.

They didn't check for a Covid test though. Which I thought was strange because I had read I needed a 48 HR pcr test.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;2545149]I find it interesting that some countries, including the USA, requires even their own citizens to have negative covid result to enter, while Ukraine doesn't.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I did not include that Ukrainian nationals and holders of a permanent residence permit need to have a negative PCR test, which was carried out a maximum of 48 hours (not 72 hours as is the case with foreign nationals) before crossing the border. In the absence of any test, they must install the "Vdoma" app and go into a 14-day self-isolation. It is possible for them to complete self-isolation ahead of time if they provide a negative PCR test result.

There was chaos in Kharkov airport when a planeload of Ukrainians arrived from a holiday in Egypt just after the rules were put into place and they had no test results.

New rules seem pretty straightforward, easy, cheap to execute.

Hey guys,

Few updates on the Covid situation on Kyiv. So situation is getting worse and they even discuss to stop the public transportation completely. 29th of March brought 33 Covid related deaths in Kyiv only + 1422 new cases.

Hospitals are lacking beds and personnel. Taxi prices stay same though and all delivery services work like magic.

Officially lockdown ends on April 9th but rumors are they will prolong it after this date.

So you if plan to enjoy Spring in Kyiv with strippers, hookers and night life in April then you better postpone your plans. May should be perfect for that.