Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1365274]I bet there were some saying the same thing. 20 years ago. 10 years ago and surely 5 years ago. The prices "are" what they "are". You either pay them or step aside for somebody else. It is that simple.[/QUOTE]Absolutaly true, we often speak about fresh water. The price are obviously growing up like everywhere in the world, could not be otherwise, but also depends on us, I mean we can pay or not like many girls say: "its up to you", and personally I never want to pay more than 1. 5 unless if I find a top model, but its a different story!

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1365262]Yea but Nic you are complaining about something that you and the people here as a whole have just about no control over.

Continuing to spew venom about individuals here for abusing the pricing structure might help one or two people but in the grand scheme of things you will not be affecting the long term pricing one IOTA. That would be like trying to stop an avalanche.[/QUOTE]I agree. Even if from tomorrow the whole of ISG punters in BKK make a firm point to pay 500 for ST and 1000 for LT, there will be no influence in the market. The ISG bunch will be refused and the girls will still be busy as ever at their prices as everyday. How many punters can ISG influence as a whole? 100? 500 as a whole in BKK? Peanuts in the big scheme of BKK p4p industry.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365159]Bangkok prices are getting very high.[/QUOTE]What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1365319]I agree. Even if from tomorrow the whole of ISG punters in BKK make a firm point to pay 500 for ST and 1000 for LT, there will be no influence in the market. The ISG bunch will be refused and the girls will still be busy as ever at their prices as everyday. How many punters can ISG influence as a whole? 100? 500 as a whole in BKK? Peanuts in the big scheme of BKK p4p industry.[/QUOTE]When people make statements as such I don't think they mean "To ISG punters, only pay such and such." What they are actually asserting is that if punters in general would only pay xyz or do xyz, then... Nobody is dumb enough to think that everybody who mongers in a certain destination is on ISG or that people on ISG are the only people who monger in said destination.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1365322]What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.[/QUOTE]Increased? More than likely. Doubled or increased in percentage as P4P prices in BKK have? Probably not.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1365344]Increased? More than likely. Doubled or increased in percentage as P4P prices in BKK have? Probably not.[/QUOTE]Exactly. BKK in general has become very expensive and salaries have not increased accordingly.

There is little doubt that bargirl long time prices have increased in last 20 years, perhaps even taking inflation into account.

I am thinking they might be about 6 to 8 times larger. I don't think the drinks have gone up 6 times.

BTW. 20 years ago, my buddy was complaining it was much too expensive. He was used to paying maybe a 100 Baht a few years earlier for ST, especially in Chiang Mai.

However for Soapy MPs, I would say the prices for basic level girls have not kept pace with inflation at all.
For Oilies I don't know as I only started at Oilies in last few years where FS has been 1500 the whole time, except for new all in price, where girl typically gets less than 1500.

If some newbie wanted to pay 1K extra for some silly service, up to them. Can't see why we need to be too concerned. He probably won't next time. It's not like the average punter is paying extra for all sorts of add ons. Making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

Newbies to Thailand are always getting badly ripped off in one way or another, because they simply don't know what it is worth. Even now I could be ripped off buying something if I had no idea of the true price, and if lacking in the patience to spend much time determining the true price.

[quote]What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.[/quote]No, my salary has decreased actually. By almost a third. And my savings and retirement have taken huge hits too. I venture an educated guess and say this is the case for most people, since analysis of this sort of thing is what I do for a living. In the US wages have been stagnant or falling since about 1979. Even the old reliable public employees are getting slashed and sacked as austerity kicks in. The only ones doing good seem to be those in the board rooms. Corporate profits and CEO bonuses are at record highs. Maybe some people are newly rich in China too, though even there despite all the talk the averages show a decline for most people.

And mongering hasn't increased in price everywhere.

Been paying the same rate at Korean and Chinese massage parlors in the states for 15 years. Been paying the same rates in Central America and the Caribbean for closer to 20.

Mainly the spots where stupid tourists go and splash around money like 3 day millionaires that are all skewed.

[quote]In Bangkok, you can get FS for $9. 80 if you know where to look (it's been reviewed here before). And in my opinion, $23 is chump change unless you're on a budget. But I think most tourists coming here don't mind the $23. The expats may, especially if they're English teachers struggling to make a living.[/quote]It's not a question of how much $23 is in the abstract. The point is that the rate in an inexpensive third world country with poverty wages is the same in the world's most expensive city, in the world's 2nd biggest economy.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1365278]An hour in London costs baht 6, 000-8, 000 equiv.

Getting a hot Thai totty for baht 2, 000 is a great deal. And if I spend baht 3, 000 I am still happy.[/QUOTE]The difference being, no one in their right mind would travel to London for mongering (or anything else IMHO).

Thailand became a destination for one reason: poor Thai people sold sexual services at low prices to military staff.

Now it's becoming like a circus, with corresponding prices.

[quote]I am on holiday and I don't want the hassle of arguing prices.[/QUOTE]Yea, I understand the sentiment. And we'll never be able to change your mind. But not everyone is on holiday. Many people live or work in Asia and have seen the transformation. Don't be surprised when they complain about paying 7 times what they paid a decade ago because people fly in for 5 days and throw money around like water before disappearing for another year or two.

Even for your own sake it'd be better to pay closer to market rates. I understand if you don't like to haggle. I don't either. But consider this, if you overpay by 100% you just pissed away another holiday. You could've had 2 for the price of 1.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365448]It's not a question of how much $23 is in the abstract. The point is that the rate in an inexpensive third world country with poverty wages is the same in the world's most expensive city, in the world's 2nd biggest economy.[/QUOTE]The supermarket trolley cost in Thailand has risen a lot. A bowl of noodles has also gone up a lot, as has a leg of BBQed chicken. A cup of coffee in a coffee shop is not much cheaper than in the West. Apartment / house rents have risen too, and yet the price in Oilies has not risen much in last 5 years.

Bangkok is definitely not the cheapest place in the world. Don't complain about it. Go elsewhere. I don't monger in my home country as its a waste of good money on a short duration with a mostly crap girl. I don't like girls from home. Am I posting in my home country thread berating everything there? No, of course it would be a waste of time.

Just a reminder that the main purpose of the Bangkok threads is to talk about where there are great places for mongering (in Bangkok) and some great girls that were found.

Then supply enough detail so that other readers may see that it might be for them too.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365450]Don't be surprised when they complain about paying 7 times what they paid a decade ago because people fly in for 5 days and throw money around like water before disappearing for another year or two.[/quote]Unlikely. I was here as a (too) young man 22 years ago. The baht / USD exchange rate was around 25/1. On my first night I paid 1000 baht ST for a gorgeous Laotian beauty from a club named Baby Face (or something like that). The following day I met a 21 why / o cutie with a great personality in an outdoor beer bar. We ended up spending the next 3 days together for which I gave her 3k. I recall that Beach Road girls were getting 300-400 baht for ST at the time.

Compare that to real estate, food, fuel, or even hotel prices (which are also still quite reasonable). Very few commodities have inflated less than P4P. Adjusting for Thailand's average inflation rate of around 3% per anum, P4P is actually cheaper here than 20 yrs ago.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365450]The difference being, no one in their right mind would travel to London for mongering (or anything else IMHO).

Thailand became a destination for one reason: poor Thai people sold sexual services at low prices to military staff.[/QUOTE]Thailand is a poor country but BKK is not, or not at the same level as the upcountry.

BKK has a decently modern public rapid transport system, taxi. 4-5 stars hotel as rain drops, expensive venues, restaurants, banks, headquarters. So the prices reflect also the standard of living of the capital.
Go upcountry and you will get low rates and low standard accommodations.