Pattaya Reports

I never do ST, only LT as I enjoy the experience next day actually more than pre-sleep one. 1. 5 k is for LT (12-18 HR typically). As Mr E say 1 k can get LT as well but as I am kind of picky so 1. 5 k is ok for me. And girls seem to be happy as well as have good range of regulars.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1979835]Seeing as I never paid more than 1000 baht for ST earlier this month, then I must presume that you are paying too much for short time. Once you realize that and put it into practice, the economics will be more to your favor.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1979831]Welcome to Asia. If you are going to be sitting around all day and making over 6000 posts (how do you find time to actually monger when you are not busy posting on ISG? You should at least try to better understand the regions you are expressing your opinions about. The concept of "face" is an important aspect of Asian culture, and it doesn't stop at the door of a brothel, go-go or hotel. Even a green newbie like me could figure that one out.[/QUOTE]Are you Asian? Do you go around giving a wai to everyone you say hello and goodbye to? Are you eating with the fork and the spoon at the same time? How do you pick and choose which parts of someone else's culture that you will adhere to?

You are so concerned about not making a hooker lose face. In the Asian world as soon as you bring a hooker to the place you are staying then you have lost face your damn self. Are you using the short time motels or are you taking them back to the hotel you are staying? Are you being seen with hookers in public?

I have been living in Pattaya for 7 years come February. If I have ever made anyone lose face then I have definitely not been made aware of it. And on the monger side of the game I go through groups of friends and when I am finished then I go through them again. Not one has ever said anything about losing face.

Still no one has bothered to answer what the effects are of causing someone to lose face? Are they sad for 3 weeks? Are they not able to pay the utility bills for the next year? We are talking about hookers and bars here. We are not wearing 3 piece suits and making high end business deals. If you didn't make her lose face by cumming all up in her nostrils, then going to fuck a hooker's coworker for money is not going to make her lose any more face than she already did. It is called foreign guilt. Next you guys will be giving sin sots for hookers with 3 kids by 3 different Dicks on some culture bullshit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979924] Next you guys will be giving sin sots for hookers with 3 kids.[/QUOTE]Indeed you are right. The generally accepted limit is two kids (and then only if she is less than 50 years old).

Joking aside, it can be awkward to barfine a co-worker of your previous girl. Sometimes these girls fabricate stories about their "catch" (perhaps to impress their co-workers) and then you spoil it all by barfining someone else.

I avoid the girls thinking they can catch me by telling them truthfully I have a Thai girlfriend. Most seem to respect her "ownership" of me and harbour no longer any wrong ideas.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1979931]Joking aside, it can be awkward to barfine a co-worker of your previous girl. Sometimes these girls fabricate stories about their "catch" (perhaps to impress their co-workers) and then you spoil it all by barfining someone else.[/QUOTE]A guy is partaking in the wrong hobby if he is worried about feeling awkward. My dad told me that when you are in a hohouse then you act like a ho. I go inside and ask who is ready to fuck because I am ready to pay. I do not go in acting like a church guy trying to convince a girl that she is the only hooker for me. And the majority of the time, when I take one girl I point to another and say aloud, "You are next!" That leaves no room for doubt.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979935]A guy is partaking in the wrong hobby if he is worried about feeling awkward. My dad told me that when you are in a hohouse then you act like a ho. I go inside and ask who is ready to fuck because I am ready to pay. I do not go in acting like a church guy trying to convince a girl that she is the only hooker for me. And the majority of the time, when I take one girl I point to another and say aloud, "You are next!" That leaves no room for doubt.[/QUOTE]Funny story, I actually did that once and when I returned the next day and wanted to barfine her she was most surprised! She kept repeating "Not normal" and "I don't believe" all through her ladydrink. Obviously these girls hear so much BS from their clients it is rare if someone respects them and lives up to his promise.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1979931]Joking aside, it can be awkward to barfine a co-worker of your previous girl. Sometimes these girls fabricate stories about their "catch" (perhaps to impress their co-workers) and then you spoil it all by barfining someone else.[/QUOTE]I don't think so.

First all the girls from one establishment are not necessarily friends and many times they don't know much about the other girls.

Secondly, if you tell them immediately that you won't do what she says, the story will be closed straight and she won't bother you again with that kind of bullshit. It' s kind of 1 way for them to know who is weak or not. You just have to be firm, even with a big smile on your face and nobody will come back to stab you as the initial poster said he feared to be stabbed.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1979938]Funny story, I actually did that once and when I returned the next day and wanted to barfine her she was most surprised! She kept repeating "Not normal" and "I don't believe" all through her ladydrink. Obviously these girls hear so much BS from their clients it is rare if someone respects them and lives up to his promise.[/QUOTE]I know that girl! She used to be on Mr Enternational's list of regulars. She went off the list after your second BF. !! 😜.

The Mia noi, or minor wife arrangement is fairly common in Thailand. I've had girls ask for between 30 and 50 k a month, but it was never clear how often we would meet or whether they also expected regular shopping trips, gifts, etc so I haven't gone for it. This was with girls met on social media platforms not bars. I'm sire a bargirl would happily take 10 k and when you are not looking, still take a few other clients on board to supplement her income.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;1979685]A bit different question about pricing:

I have been on and off Pattaya quite while also, and normally give girl 1.5K regardless of what she ask or ask not. If she ask for more and won't budge, normally no deal (very few exceptions with hotties). And if she not ask, I give 1.5k. I always go for LT deal only. And I am pretty picky for appearance and attitude so with 1.5k should get decent girls.

However, I have never had same girl more than 2 nights on a row. Now, I am facing (a weird) situation that I would like to try a true LT (i.e maybe few weeks) with one of my regulars with whom I have spent many normal (overnight /12-18 HR) LT's with my usual donation.

My question is what would be reasonable donation for this kind of extended LT i.e. few weeks, say maybe 1 mo or more, assuming I cover expenses and she just gets net cash to herself and family? I have not asked her nor have I offered anything. She is more than eager for such arrangement, putting aside pricing as no talk about it. Not sure if she expects same 1.5k per night or less.

Wondering if there is "generally accepted" weekly or monthly price or discount level for freelancers vs overnight LT price (like the 1.5k for overnight LT which I think is generally accepted by girls)? Or is the reality so that this just a case by case negotiation without any expectation on girl side? I guess quite a bit such stays especially for trips to islands etc, however I have no idea for pricing expectations.

Just don't want to offer too little not to upset her, nor too much to distort pricing. Any advice and experience appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Visiting during high season I found very few tourists in Pattaya. The town is quiet & dull, with many businesses closed. There are very few girls on the beach, and they are run off by the police strictly at 2:00 AM, so a second shot for the day isn't really possible anymore. I had some enjoyable times in soi 6 (usually by virtue of big tips) and even in walking street go-gos, but only because, at this late date, money is no longer an obstacle. In terms of a recommendation about how to get the most out of dying Pattaya, I'd say Soi 6 is it. And I'm apparently not the only one who thinks so - it's definitely the busiest part of the town. One dreads the day this too is shuttered.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1980008]Visiting during high season I found very few tourists in Pattaya. The town is quiet & dull, with many businesses closed. There are very few girls on the beach, and they are run off by the police strictly at 2:00 AM, so a second shot for the day isn't really possible anymore. I had some enjoyable times in soi 6 (usually by virtue of big tips) and even in walking street go-gos, but only because, at this late date, money is no longer an obstacle. In terms of a recommendation about how to get the most out of dying Pattaya, I'd say Soi 6 is it. And I'm apparently not the only one who thinks so - it's definitely the busiest part of the town. One dreads the day this too is shuttered.[/QUOTE]

Always a pleasure to see a new post from Opebo, his reports are always packed with useful information (often not known or posted by others).

When you mention "big tips" on Soi 6, how big were they and what's your approach to giving them? I generally simply agree on a price beforehand and pay when the deed is done (perhaps tipping then if service as good). With my approach, I don't see how paying over the going rate makes any difference. Do you tell them they'll earn more beforehand if certain conditions are met?

I'll have to disagree that Pattaya is a dead town.

In fact, it's been quite lively the past several days leading up to New Year's.

Walking Street at night is packed as usual, the foot traffic going in and out of W. S. Is chaotic (as well as road traffic). The Central Festival mall area also gets quite packed with people.

I don't know how that translates to actual business but some of the gogo I been inside seem to be doing OK.

I have walked through Soi 6 but have not seen anything I liked.

I just finished 3 nights in Pattaya. The generalities that are made on this board, IMO, are just that. My experience on Soi 6 is that yes it is one of the busiest places in all of Pattaya. Also I was surprised at the selection of truly hot young providers. Good service or not is another matter. You never know what you will find in an unlikely venue. As one example, I stopped into The Nelson Hotel on the LH side as you walk down the soi from 2nd Road. I went in to grab a beer and shoot some pool. One of the girls out front was awfully close to stunning. Tall, curvy and very pretty. Nothing about her suggested ladyboy but as I write this maybe I was fooled, she looked that good. This is one small example. Sure there are worn out dragons in abundance, but also more young hot gals than I'm used to seeing and I'm no stranger to Soi 6. I did partake at The Red Point Bar. She came after me in the street and I liked her look. 24 yo professional bar girl with absolutely no mistaking her for the girl next door. I checked to see what she would do, including rimming and away we went. We started with a drink and then to be sure we are on the same page I pulled out my phone with the little video clip of the guy getting rimmed while she strokes him. She said "cannot". When I said "check-bin" she knew she would have to go back outside with nothing and face her "sisters". She again reversed and up we went. She was outstanding. As a side note the rooms are remarkably nice there. So, as for generalities, sure there can be some truth in them but in my long years here you never know what you will find if you go looking for it. And as an older punter I DO have to go looking for it. When the young studs are meandering down the soi in front of me the hotties flock to them in what appears to be genuine excitement to be pounded by a young guy. I rarely get even an invitation. I have to go get what I want and be prepared to be persistent. There are SO many opportunities in Pattaya.

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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1979931]Joking aside, it can be awkward to barfine a co-worker of your previous girl. Sometimes these girls fabricate stories about their "catch" (perhaps to impress their co-workers) and then you spoil it all by barfining someone else.

I avoid the girls thinking they can catch me by telling them truthfully I have a Thai girlfriend. [/QUOTE]Not awkward for me, unless I have somehow become more than just a customer.

It's a good idea to say you have a GF even if you don't, or otherwise to say you are a big butterfly ("Jao Choo" so that girls do not expect you will stick with one girl.

I also call girls over for a drink sometimes, even if intending to BF someone else, to make the first girl understand that she is still favored and maybe chosen on another day.

It is well understood by bargirls that many guys will change girls, no matter how good the first girl was.

If I find a super girl, I will always give her first priority. I can't afford for her to ever think she is not my first choice, as she may pick up some other guy making her first priority. I don't want to drop down her pecking order.

A venue only becomes a viable favorite venue if you have several favorite girls at that venue, since can't rely on any one girl to always be there, and always be available. I took plenty of different girls from my favorite bars.

One bargirl Jane, I have known a little for a long time, but only BFed twice. She still knows I like her, even if mostly she has never been available (having other regular customers). I am a good backup customer for her, when she happens to be still available (quite rare). LOL No need for any jealousies, or noses out of joint.

6 bars on Soi Full Love Inn now. Becoming the new Soi 6. CB, Club 007, Pirates, Club 4, J club, and Club Sin. Club Sin is my favorite. The owner is hot but married to someone well know in Pattaya-land. Don't forget Soi FLI if you have extra time. 40 baht motorbike ride from Central or Walking Street.

Not many girls in each bar but all girls friendly.

I had heard about this before I came to Thailand the first trip. Imo it doesn't exist. It exists if you allow it to exist or are not an experienced clubber, allowing girls to play games with your mind. I have taken multiple girls from the same establishments, only to have the one I didn't take the last time come back for more. Losing money should be the better terminology.

My girls get more upset as other girls on the streets or in the mall are staring me down checking me out. I'm not even looking at the other girl and still get in trouble! 555