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[QUOTE=Imoraig;2550339]Some people mentioned Rino or other stripclubs but I don't think so. Only Princess Strip club could be equal or better than Rio and Totsie in girls I think. Anyone differing please share info.[/QUOTE]Rino are just stripclubs, you cannot bring the girls to your home (a pity).

Ukraine's economy is in doldrums. The girls still want to lead a queen size life and expect lots of $$ Their biggest demand is from UAE and its more or less cut off now. With no tourists and very few options to fly abroad, I wonder how long they will survive with these $$$ expectations. Ukrainian men won't be spending so much. They definitely value their money more than the pussies I think.

[QUOTE=Imoraig;2550339]Rio and Totsie which is same management has the best ladies most days. And they will go out for 200 ish, 1 h - 300 US, 3 h Is a solid way of getting talent, albeit not so cheap.

I think this has been like that for at least a couple of years. Some people mentioned Rino or other stripclubs but I don't think so. Only Princess Strip club could be equal or better than Rio and Totsie in girls I think. Anyone differing please share info.

Is it good in masseuses that Ego erotic massage studio? Better than Toplessclub Maassage at Prorizna St, 18/1?

Regarding Tinder, Mamba, SA, Insta or any other platform is a hit or miss, and costly in time too. Is never going to be easy, why it should be? Real Hotties are hard to have anywhere in the world nowadays.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2550617]Ukraine's economy is in doldrums. The girls still want to lead a queen size life and expect lots of $$ Their biggest demand is from UAE and its more or less cut off now. With no tourists and very few options to fly abroad, I wonder how long they will survive with these $$$ expectations. Ukrainian men won't be spending so much. They definitely value their money more than the pussies I think.[/QUOTE]Yep, Ukraine is in deep trouble, but this should be no surprise to anyone.

I was hoping that the girls on SA would lower their expectations and become reasonable. But that doesn't seem to be the case. Let's see if they start becoming practical.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2550623]Yep, Ukraine is in deep trouble, but this should be no surprise to anyone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;2549814]But 800 UAH is not a bargain, which is the reason many of us go to Ukraine.

I wonder if other apps like Uklon use similar algorithm to Uber.

But I guess there is an option of BlaBlaCar. When I stayed in a city outside Kiev during lockdown, the price on BlaBlaCar to Kiev was similar to the one on Marshrutka.

All Californians over 16 will be eligible for vaccine on April 15 and all Americans over ?? on April 19. I wonder if this means the Americans will start flocking into Ukraine real soon. Not a good news. I can tell which American will be the first one to do so, lol. They will beat the Europeans, except the British.[/QUOTE]The food isn't cheap their either. I wonder why they try to charge so much if their economy is bad.

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2550788]I was hoping that the girls on SA would lower their expectations and become reasonable. But that doesn't seem to be the case. Let's see if they start becoming practical.[/QUOTE]Charles Dickens wrote a wonderful novel in 1860-61 "Great Expectations". They translated the title into Russian as "Lost Illusions". So apt!

Gentlemen, read back a few years. Ukraine doesn't exist to please you, just because you visit and willing to spend on a moderate budget. Kiev was never cheap. More precisely, there is a wide spectrum of services measured by price. Cheap, moderate, expensive, exuberant, - it is all there, especially for a long-term or frequent internal consumer. Regular customer always treated with a priority.

If you were on this Forum 5-10 years ago, you could have noticed that in time of survival many Kiev girls raise the price to compensate for less frequent appointments. Some customers can afford, and this model seems to work in a certain market segment. There is associated risk for the girls as well, and if not the bed in hospital, then even a visit to doctor is not cheap. Some of the girls retire to their village parents and survive there. Again Kiev is not cheap. Lockdown means much lower cash flow.

You may hope and expect, and Kiev will do what it considers proper for itself, not for you. Dealing with regulars is the way in Kiev. I do not believe YummyPL is sitting bare feet on the curbside, howling at the moon deprived of female attention. Somehow he doesn't leave an impression of a desperate person. Another friend of mine returned from Kiev a month ago, and going again in 2 weeks. Both of them do not have enough time to accommodate all the candidates willing to provide excellent services. And the girls are exceptional. BTW, fuck stupid shit rated below 6 himself drama troll, whatever location he posts about, his messages should be in stupid shit threads, any forum. Sorry, irrelevant, forgive me being undisciplined.

Girls will not be practical. Perhaps some of the mongers should be more realistic. As Ivan Buyan said, this is not the time for a fly-by drive through quickie fuck business. Not unless, you have established connections.

It is difficult right now. Kiev will figure out eventually how to cope with this predicament as well. Just like many others over centuries before. Cheers!

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I keep on seeing the banners, and I did check them out on their telegraph channel, but has anyone tried them? Seems like a free for all site, so I guess it is a bit of a hit and miss?

Wonderful insight into the psyche of Ukrainian girls. Thanks a ton bro.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2550948]Charles Dickens wrote a wonderful novel in 1860-61 "Great Expectations". They translated the title into Russian as "Lost Illusions". So apt!

Gentlemen, read back a few years. Ukraine doesn't exist to please you, just because you visit and willing to spend on a moderate budget. Kiev was never cheap. More precisely, there is a wide spectrum of services measured by price. Cheap, moderate, expensive, exuberant, - it is all there, especially for a long-term or frequent internal consumer. Regular customer always treated with a priority.

If you were on this Forum 5-10 years ago, you could have noticed that in time of survival many Kiev girls raise the price to compensate for less frequent appointments. Some customers can afford, and this model seems to work in a certain market segment. There is associated risk for the girls as well, and if not the bed in hospital, then even a visit to doctor is not cheap. Some of the girls retire to their village parents and survive there. Again Kiev is not cheap. Lockdown means much lower cash flow.

You may hope and expect, and Kiev will do what it considers proper for itself, not for you. Dealing with regulars is the way in Kiev. I do not believe YummyPL is sitting bare feet on the curbside, howling at the moon deprived of female attention. Somehow he doesn't leave an impression of a desperate person. Another friend of mine returned from Kiev a month ago, and going again in 2 weeks. Both of them do not have enough time to accommodate all the candidates willing to provide excellent services. And the girls are exceptional. BTW, fuck stupid shit rated below 6 himself drama troll, whatever location he posts about, his messages should be in stupid shit threads, any forum. Sorry, irrelevant, forgive me being undisciplined.

Girls will not be practical. Perhaps some of the mongers should be more realistic. As Ivan Buyan said, this is not the time for a fly-by drive through quickie fuck business. Not unless, you have established connections.

It is difficult right now. Kiev will figure out eventually how to cope with this predicament as well. Just like many others over centuries before. Cheers![/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, lockdown in Kiev extended to 30-April.

[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2551216]I keep on seeing the banners, and I did check them out on their telegraph channel, but has anyone tried them? Seems like a free for all site, so I guess it is a bit of a hit and miss?[/QUOTE]You have to pay to be able to contact the girls, who'll mainly charge from 200 $ and up per hour. If you contact and won't get the desired appointment, what do you think happens to your money you paid to be able to contact her? I was told they'd return it. Somehow I'm a bit suspicious of this.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2551233]Unfortunately, lockdown in Kiev extended to 30-April.[/QUOTE]My flight was cancelled and so I had to postpone the trip couple more months. It's been a year I have wanted to go there, waiting for it. I doubt the experience can live up to the expectations.

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2551228]Wonderful insight into the psyche of Ukrainian girls. Thanks a ton bro.[/QUOTE]Glad you weren't offended by my candor. Hopefully the message doesn't come across as patronizing.

I still think young Ukrainian females are the best around the Globe. Friend currently visiting Kiev sent a video yesterday, confirming my admiration and undying addiction. Sweetest ever!

Please do not ask for referrals, as I do not have any. Very few regulars are not for advertising, and some of them are either married or even having babies. And I remember holding their beautiful butts in my hands.

There was no need to get offended. I did experience having a great time with a Ukrainian girl in Barcelona. She was very reasonable in terms of her allowance. I tried to find similar gems but it didn't work. I believe in pay for play and if they don't match my expectations in terms of looks, attitude and performance in the bed it's of no use. I'm willing to pay good allowance if the girl meets my expectations.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2551303]Glad you weren't offended by my candor. Hopefully the message doesn't come across as patronizing.

I still think young Ukrainian females are the best around the Globe. Friend currently visiting Kiev sent a video yesterday, confirming my admiration and undying addiction. Sweetest ever!

Please do not ask for referrals, as I do not have any. Very few regulars are not for advertising, and some of them are either married or even having babies. And I remember holding their beautiful butts in my hands.[/QUOTE]

James, Imoraig: thanks for club update! For us who like big curves more than thin. Are there a good selection of also big boob (silicone) girls?

[QUOTE=Imoraig;2550339]Rio and Totsie which is same management has the best ladies most days.....Rino or other stripclubs but I don't think so. Only Princess Strip club could be equal or better than Rio and Totsie in girls I think. Anyone differing please share info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2551476]There was no need to get offended. I did experience having a great time with a Ukrainian girl in Barcelona. She was very reasonable in terms of her allowance. I tried to find similar gems but it didn't work. I believe in pay for play and if they don't match my expectations in terms of looks, attitude and performance in the bed it's of no use. I'm willing to pay good allowance if the girl meets my expectations.[/QUOTE]In January 2014 I met an Ukrainian girl Tatiana in Madrid at one of the establishments. She was polite, but mechanical. Another girl that I had great time with while in Kiev in December 2018, moved to Barcelona. She was outstanding while in Kiev, great body of a volleyball player, superb performance in bed. We are still in touch, but her photos reflect inevitable changes. Enhanced lips, jaded attitude.

IMHO it is better to experience Ukrainian girls in Ukraine. Just like in Miami 2015 I had a Brazilian girl from Manaus. Not bad at all, but no comparison to visiting Termas Monte Carlo Rio de Janeiro in person.