Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2597309]Basically, about 50% of the women you met, never brought up PPM / money discussion, correct? How many women have you contacted in total to get to those numbers (25 hook ups, 12/13 freebies)? Thousands? Your numbers are impressive, honestly. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or is it just a bad luck?[/QUOTE]Midwestern, I think you need to delineate the situation in China versus the United States. Western men are very popular with Chinese and other Asian women. There is more of the long-game husband search for many of these women.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2596991]I have previously mentioned that among the 25 gals that I hooked up with on SA, over a period of 20 months on the site, that about 12 or 13 were freebies.

Why only 25 gals total? I was picky and I avoided pros. And when I found a few gals that I liked, then I was happily set for a few weeks or months.

[/QUOTE]You also have to factor the country and the culture difference. A western guy hunting in China adds dynamic also.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2597309]Basically, about 50% of the women you met, never brought up PPM / money discussion, correct? How many women have you contacted in total to get to those numbers (25 hook ups, 12/13 freebies)? Thousands? Your numbers are impressive, honestly. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or is it just a bad luck?[/QUOTE]Yes, I contacted thousands of gals. Literally. I was on SA for several hours a day, everyday. Over 20 hours a week. I was hooked. Some people are addicted to online gaming. I was addicted to SA.

Everyday, I would go through at least the first half dozen pages of profiles, sorted based on most recent activity. I would send messages to at least 20 gals per day. I ended up meeting at least 50 gals in person over the 20 months that I was on SA. Eventually hooked up with half of them. No chemistry with other half. For me, meet and greet was very important.

Many (most) of the women wanted to discuss financial arrangements before meeting, and I just told them let's just meet first, and these women felt it was wasting their time to meet without discussing the arrangement. To me, I thought it was a waste of time to discuss arrangements with people that I have not even met in person yet. So, I pretty much only met women that did not bring up money before we met.

So, I met 50, out of several thousand that I initially contacted, and out of maybe the one thousand that bothered to reply back to me.

When we did meet, if there was chemistry, then we would either hook up that night, or later. About a third of the time, they asked about the arrangement, about a third of the time I brought it up (and when I did this, about half the time the gal said let's not talk about it now (a few were insulted that I even brought it up), and a third of the time it was not brought up.

Not sure if this matters, but this was San Francisco, where there were a ton of people on SA and a ton of activity on SA, especially when including the areas outside SF.

But again, don't seek freebies on SA. That's my advice.

I stumbled on this thread just by accident. Though I know SA (mentioned alot on South American / Mexican cities discussion), I signed up yesterday purely to rake some prospects for MTY / MDE upcoming trip (2 - 4 week timeframe). Iam not new to that scene but SA is just another medium to find some (good ones)!

However just for sh**t & g**gl*s I thought of checking local talent(central/S TX); got hit with dozen plus, same profiles more or less, asking for assistance, blah blah. I picked one, agreed to meet over drinks after work and she showed up on time. We sat, and she basically went to town on menu. LOL! Now I'm gentlemen enough not to object and let her enjoy it, but a simple meet and greet turn into fu**in 200 $ food / drink bill and all I got are barely 2 bases.

I drop her off, played the trick of getting invited in but failed. she's ready to spend weekend in hotel though and let me suggest 'arrangement' $$ which is worthy of her,
However I'm not going to spend one more min with her. There's bunch more who approached and want to meet at 4 star steak house / seafood place as initial meeting. (one invited straight up in her apt for 'coffee' which I spooked and declined. Who knows if brothers are sitting in there waiting for me. LOL).

Anyway, just wanted to get some insight on usa based SA options; I get it these bit**s are all flaky and shit, but what is usual setup for initial screening and spending? And is 200-300 ppm is avg running for these 'so called college gals' (which I highly doubt many of them are not even in school).

Sorry for nave post but this is a bit different than tindr / bumble style hookup so thought I ask.

Cheers fu*k*rs!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2597313]Midwestern, I think you need to delineate the situation in China versus the United States. Western men are very popular with Chinese and other Asian women. There is more of the long-game husband search for many of these women.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2597338]You also have to factor the country and the culture difference. A western guy hunting in China adds dynamic also.[/QUOTE]I only used SA in the United States, and mostly in San Francisco, including entire bay area. I used to live and work in SF.

When using SA, I only met up with gals that did NOT talk about money before the meet and greet. These gals barely exist. That's why I only ended up meeting about 50 gals during 20 months, even though I spent hours every day on SA.

In addition, I did not use SA to meet college girls. I met some college girls, and it was boring. So, my age target was late 20s and 30s.

If I was on the road, then I just used SA for PPM hookups.

Again, I strongly recommend not looking for freebies on SA. Even when you find a freebie, it' is not worth it, on average, from my experience.

In China, I look for arrangements with MP gals. About a quarter of the MP gals have BFs and arrangements.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2597388]I only used SA in the United States, and mostly in San Francisco, including entire bay area. I used to live and work in SF.

When using SA, I only met up with gals that did NOT talk about money before the meet and greet. These gals barely exist. That's why I only ended up meeting about 50 gals during 20 months, even though I spent hours every day on SA.

In addition, I did not use SA to meet college girls. I met some college girls, and it was boring. So, my age target was late 20s and 30s.

If I was on the road, then I just used SA for PPM hookups.

Again, I strongly recommend not looking for freebies on SA. Even when you find a freebie, it' is not worth it, on average, from my experience.

In China, I look for arrangements with MP gals. About a quarter of the MP gals have BFs and arrangements.[/QUOTE]Can you provide a little more detail on the ppm hookups. My limited experience show that many, but not all, are just really escorts.

I would not call them sugarbabies at all. The sb requires some attraction and do some screening. They usually want more money than the escorts. I am reluctant to go with them because of the risks and they lie like sailors. Thus, you have no idea what you are going to get.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2597723]Can you provide a little more detail on the ppm hookups. My limited experience show that many, but not all, are just really escorts.

I would not call them sugarbabies at all. The sb requires some attraction and do some screening. They usually want more money than the escorts. I am reluctant to go with them because of the risks and they lie like sailors. Thus, you have no idea what you are going to get.[/QUOTE]I'm in Medellin now, for 1. 5 months already, and SA here sucks. 90%+ of SA girls have no clue how real SB-SD relationships work (or at least, some similar relationships, not 1 night stands). They don't think long term, they don't care about chemistry and affection, but they lie both are important to them. Every time I try to set up a date, I explain what I expect from the date, what I want and need. I explain what GFE means, without going into too much detail. I tell them how chemistry important to me, and that I want both of us to have fun and enjoy our time together. And you know what? They all agree to it, they lie that that is exactly what they are looking for, blah blah blah. When we finally meet, I give them my best BFE (boyfriend experience LOL) and make sure girls are comfortable and relaxed. Only to see them get dressed in less than 3 minutes and stand by the entrance door ready to leave after 1st (and last) round of sex. What a turnoff! And of course, no "thank you" or "would love to see you again" message after the date. Most of my SA dates in MDE happen to be 1 night stands, no matter how hard I try or screen them. Reminds me of Lleras girls, they want you to cum as fast as possible, so that they get back to the park to milk another sucker. The difference is that SA girls are usually lower volume, and provide better GFE service, overall than hardcore pros in El Centro or Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2597969]I'm in Medellin now, for 1. 5 months already, and SA here sucks. 90%+ of SA girls have no clue how real SB-SD relationships work (or at least, some similar relationships, not 1 night stands). They don't think long term, they don't care about chemistry and affection, but they lie both are important to them. Every time I try to set up a date, I explain what I expect from the date, what I want and need. I explain what GFE means, without going into too much detail. I tell them how chemistry important to me, and that I want both of us to have fun and enjoy our time together. And you know what? They all agree to it, they lie that that is exactly what they are looking for, blah blah blah. When we finally meet, I give them my best BFE (boyfriend experience LOL) and make sure girls are comfortable and relaxed. Only to see them get dressed in less than 3 minutes and stand by the entrance door ready to leave after 1st (and last) round of sex. What a turnoff! And of course, no "thank you" or "would love to see you again" message after the date. Most of my SA dates in MDE happen to be 1 night stands, no matter how hard I try or screen them. Reminds me of Lleras girls, they want you to cum as fast as possible, so that they get back to the park to milk another sucker. The difference is that SA girls are usually lower volume, and provide better GFE service, overall than hardcore pros in El Centro or Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]Yeah I think you have hit upon a fundamental difference between Colombia and USA — Seeking is very different. Sure there are pros in the US on Seeking but they are easy to weed out. And the non pros are awesome GFE dates. I think in MDE most of the SA girls are pros. Harder to find non pro. One time the USA wins on P4 P. Yay!

P.S. Think DramaFree has a bunch of luck but maybe that is Mexico City I think. But hit him up and see.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2597723]Can you provide a little more detail on the ppm hookups. My limited experience show that many, but not all, are just really escorts.

I would not call them sugarbabies at all. The sb requires some attraction and do some screening. They usually want more money than the escorts. I am reluctant to go with them because of the risks and they lie like sailors. Thus, you have no idea what you are going to get.[/QUOTE]My experience is the good girls def don't think of themselves as pros and as soon as you cross the line you are gone. For example Kayla by our third night (so already had sex four times. And given her "allowance") we were discussing SA and our experiences. (P.S. I don't do this much because it can hurt the vibe). And she says "Some guys want to just offer me money to go to the hotel room. I always block them. I'm not a prostitute!" She was clearly offended by any notion that she's a pro. Yet we she just got allowance for the time spent with me that included a couple hours in bed. Importantly she sees this as a choice she made to sleep with a guy she likes. And he gives her spending / rent money. No big deal. But NOT prostitution in her mind. (Or mine).

Só never say PPM. Never say how much you want? Or how much you charge. My patter after some nice chat is:

"So here is how I see our date going. We meet for dinner or drinks and we have an awesome time. Assuming we vibe we take things private. On the off chance we don't vibe we can part after dinner no harm no foul. Does that sound about right?

After they say yes I ask separately "of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance — did you have something in mind?

This approach has worked well — keeping them engaged amd discussing the topic without any overt mentions of PPM. My stats as if this month are (W vs L):

Lunch 1 and 3.

Drinks 8 and 0.

Dinner 19 and 4.

As you may have guessed I don't do lunch anymore. LOL. Although both my lunch and other fails were primarily when new to the game. Pretty spotless record of late.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2597969]I'm in Medellin now, for 1. 5 months already, and SA here sucks. 90%+ of SA girls have no clue how real SB-SD relationships work (or at least, some similar relationships, not 1 night stands). They don't think long term, they don't care about chemistry and affection, but they lie both are important to them. Every time I try to set up a date, I explain what I expect from the date, what I want and need. I explain what GFE means, without going into too much detail. I tell them how chemistry important to me, and that I want both of us to have fun and enjoy our time together. And you know what? They all agree to it, they lie that that is exactly what they are looking for, blah blah blah. When we finally meet, I give them my best BFE (boyfriend experience LOL) and make sure girls are comfortable and relaxed. Only to see them get dressed in less than 3 minutes and stand by the entrance door ready to leave after 1st (and last) round of sex. What a turnoff! And of course, no "thank you" or "would love to see you again" message after the date. Most of my SA dates in MDE happen to be 1 night stands, no matter how hard I try or screen them. Reminds me of Lleras girls, they want you to cum as fast as possible, so that they get back to the park to milk another sucker. The difference is that SA girls are usually lower volume, and provide better GFE service, overall than hardcore pros in El Centro or Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]I am about to leave Guadalajara, where I have 2 coed sugar babies who have provided almost daily sex that always had DFK, BBBJ with CIM and swallow, to go to Medellin for the next 3 weeks. One girl is a ballet student who is into Bob Dylan and the Beatles. The other is a nanotechnology major who did her homework in my Airbnb prior to us having mind boggling sex. The reason for the move to Colombia was because of change of scenery and price. Here in Mexico I have been giving gifts of about $200 per date (I have justified the amount by the great sex that they are giving me). Apparently, after texting POTs via WhatsApp, I have been informed that the going rate for a date in Medellin is 300 k, which is $77. I am just curious how you vetted your selections. If your experience is the norm, I might have to curtail my plan of staying in Medellin for 3 weeks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2598033]Yeah I think you have hit upon a fundamental difference between Colombia and USA Seeking is very different. Sure there are pros in the US on Seeking but they are easy to weed out. And the non pros are awesome GFE dates. I think in MDE most of the SA girls are pros. Harder to find non pro. One time the USA wins on P4 P. Yay!

P.S. Think DramaFree has a bunch of luck but maybe that is Mexico City I think. But hit him up and see.[/QUOTE]As much as I do not like American Chicks, I would much rather be with American girls then girls from MDE all day long. Honestly a girl tells me they are from Colombia I block them now, I just can not deal with there bad attitudes. I hated MDE and I would never go back, even if you paid me. I do believe Elvis that Bogota is much better, but I will stick with Mxico / Russia. I Love the girls, weather and food in Mxico. Another plus Mexican girls love sex and are total freaks.

As far as Mamiab. He complains a lot and find fault in a lot of destinations. I do say that MDE sucks and the good old days are long gone in Kiev, but I speak very highly about Mexico and Russia. Mb. Complains and finds fault in most places.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2597969]I'm in Medellin now, for 1. 5 months already, and SA here sucks. 90%+ of SA girls have no clue how real SB-SD relationships work (or at least, some similar relationships, not 1 night stands). They don't think long term, they don't care about chemistry and affection, but they lie both are important to them. Every time I try to set up a date, I explain what I expect from the date, what I want and need. I explain what GFE means, without going into too much detail. I tell them how chemistry important to me, and that I want both of us to have fun and enjoy our time together. And you know what? They all agree to it, they lie that that is exactly what they are looking for, blah blah blah. When we finally meet, I give them my best BFE (boyfriend experience LOL) and make sure girls are comfortable and relaxed. Only to see them get dressed in less than 3 minutes and stand by the entrance door ready to leave after 1st (and last) round of sex. What a turnoff! And of course, no "thank you" or "would love to see you again" message after the date. Most of my SA dates in MDE happen to be 1 night stands, no matter how hard I try or screen them. Reminds me of Lleras girls, they want you to cum as fast as possible, so that they get back to the park to milk another sucker. The difference is that SA girls are usually lower volume, and provide better GFE service, overall than hardcore pros in El Centro or Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]Not much you can do when a girl wants quick cash. The best way for her is many guys with short meetings. Sometimes, if you know what she needs and you can provide it, you can bump them out of the escort mindset, but I think that is mostly a losing battle. Once a gal is OK with sleeping around, you are not going to turn them back. The SBs are usually still apprehensive with going with strangers. So, they do more screening which takes time and effort. This means, no easy payday for them and they are looking for something more long-term. What puts me off is that cheap hooker attitude where you are just treated as another commodity based on what she can get from you. Best to run away from them unless a quick hookup is what you are looking for.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2598051]As much as I do not like American Chicks, I would much rather be with American girls then girls from MDE all day long. Honestly a girl tells me they are from Colombia I block them now, I just can not deal with there bad attitudes. I hated MDE and I would never go back, even if you paid me. I do believe Elvis that Bogota is much better, but I will stick with Mxico / Russia. I Love the girls, weather and food in Mxico. Another plus Mexican girls love sex and are total freaks.

As far as Mamiab. He complains a lot and find fault in a lot of destinations. I do say that MDE sucks and the good old days are long gone in Kiev, but I speak very highly about Mexico and Russia. Mb. Complains and finds fault in most places.[/QUOTE]Yes, I do complain, but my complaints are legit, based on my own experience. SA in Mexico City was much much better than in MDE (at least, last summer when I was there). Bogota is better than MDE, and it was pretty good on my trip there half a year ago (maybe because of covid restrictions / strikes? Who knows), but this time Bogota sucked too. SA could be good in Rio, but for some reason it is not popular there, and pickings are slim, even though Rio got plenty of great talent, most beautiful girls I have ever seen, but I assume they are non-pros or just not familiar with SA. Can't tell anything about Russia, never used SA there, but Tinder rocks (at least for me, because I'm Russian and speak the language).

Dramafree, and all other posters, if you think my complaints are not legit, feel free to explain why. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic and you have different experiences.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2598264]Yes, I do complain, but my complaints are legit, based on my own experience. SA in Mexico City was much much better than in MDE (at least, last summer when I was there). Bogota is better than MDE, and it was pretty good on my trip there half a year ago (maybe because of covid restrictions / strikes? Who knows), but this time Bogota sucked too. SA could be good in Rio, but for some reason it is not popular there, and pickings are slim, even though Rio got plenty of great talent, most beautiful girls I have ever seen, but I assume they are non-pros or just not familiar with SA. Can't tell anything about Russia, never used SA there, but Tinder rocks (at least for me, because I'm Russian and speak the language).

Dramafree, and all other posters, if you think my complaints are not legit, feel free to explain why. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic and you have different experiences.[/QUOTE]I have written about my recommendations extensively, please read. I do recommend picking one spot, put all your resources into that destination. (Time, Money and hard work).

I do agree you complain a lot, I do appreciate your honesty. I did like your post on what makes a 10 in a girl.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2597723]Can you provide a little more detail on the ppm hookups. My limited experience show that many, but not all, are just really escorts.

[/QUOTE]If they talked about money before meeting, then I avoided them. This is a great way to weed out most pros.

During the meet and greet (my favorite was over drinks), we would just get to know each other. This is where I would find out what they did for a living. And so, I met a nanny, a struggling restaurant owner, a new college graduate barely making ends meet at her new job, a person starting her own little business, etc. None of them were lying, as they knew so many tiny details about their jobs. And so, I would say something like, "Wow, it must be hard making rent every month. Even though we just met, I really like you. Let me give you $400. " And then the gal would say something like, "oh my god, that is so awesome of of you, thank you!" I think there was only one time that we did not end up fucking at some point.

There are a lot of housewives on SA too. I avoided them. From my many exchanges with them, I got the sense that they had become semi pros and thus quite business like.