Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[QUOTE=Johndao]On Viagra and Cialis Subs. Adagrin, a Vietnamese brand is the same as Viagra and I have used it many times. It's available only in 50mg for about 40k Dong each. I use a half pill. It's made in Binh Duong or rather assembled and packaged there. Lovegra is the same but comes from the north of VN. Even better priced is Majegra from India. I have used it many times. It comes in 100mg form and usually costs 35k Dong. I have used both many times and they are exactly the same in strength, effects, etc as Viagra which is Sildenafil. Tadalafil is Cialis. Another brand of Cialis from VN is called C-Ales made by VPS Pharm. It comes in 20mg only and cost 75k Dong usually. It works exactly the same as Cialis. Just write it down for the pharmacist.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much most of SE Asia (except Singapore and KL) if you use the generic names (Sildenafil, Taladafil) you will get offered both genuine and generics and you will have the added benefits of overcoming any language barrier and nobody in the shop knowing what you are asking for.

I prefer C because when I have used V (genuine or generic) it gives me a headache. Half a 20mg pill is good for 24 hrs. Could probably take a quarter or third but my teeth aren't that accurate!

Use a pill cutter! A little device that holds the pills and cuts accurately. I use a quarter of the 100mg Viagra because it minimizes the headache and face flushing and that's all I need. It works quickly and wears off quickly when you use that small amount. 25 mg is fine for me. I really only use it when I need to use condoms, bareback with a close friend is never a problem. Just the pause for the condom and the lube etc, the unfamiliar girl, etc, I need the extra boost. And I like to stop and start a lot too.

Think about this: I advise you NOT to buy 'real Viagra' here for the following reasons: First of all, the very inexpensive generics are widely available and are exactly the same (although Adagrin is too powdery when cut). Second, there is FAKE Viagra being sold. There are no fake generics. Why would anyone fake a generic selling for 35 to 50k when they could fake original V which sells for 300k? In fact, the fakers can buy the Sildenafil from the same source and use fake V packaging and sell it for 300k. It will seem real to the user, it IS real and will work fine. But it's the same as the 35 - 50k generic. Customers who buy the fake for 300k and are happy and say, no, no, it works is real. Yes, it does work. But it's just generic Sildenafil.

I will post some pics in my next post. I forgot to mention Inta-Gra. Also from India, about 50k for 100mg Sildenafil. It's lighter blue in color and very hard, good for cutting with a sharp blade.

I bought all these at a pharmacy on Nguyen Trai, near D5 intersection with Nguyen Van Cu, between that street and Nguyen Cu Trinh, forgot the name, I have been there many, many times. On the south side, big blue pharmacy sign on the street, prices all marked on box, nice people. It's near the Pham Ngu Lao, Bui Vien area too, about 2km. I just go there for convenience. It's a bit cheaper or the same at the many pharmacies on Hai Ba Trung near the Tan Dinh market.

Left to Right: Majegra 100 (35k per pill), Inta-gra 100 (50k per pill), C.ales 20 (75k per pill)

[QUOTE=Johndao]I bought all these at a pharmacy on Nguyen Trai, near D5 intersection with Nguyen Van Cu, between that street and Nguyen Cu Trinh, forgot the name, I have been there many, many times. On the south side, big blue pharmacy sign on the street, prices all marked on box, nice people. It's near the Pham Ngu Lao, Bui Vien area too, about 2km. I just go there for convenience. It's a bit cheaper or the same at the many pharmacies on Hai Ba Trung near the Tan Dinh market.

Left to Right: Majegra 100 (35k per pill), Inta-gra 100 (50k per pill), C.ales 20 (75k per pill)[/QUOTE]

Where do I buy a pill cutter? In Saigon?

Don't know about the Sildenafil coz I don't use it but I get real 'Lily" C from the small pharmacy on Mac Thi Boui (near non-GF Bach Dang hotel) for VND 300k for 4 x 20 mg. At that price why bother with generics?

At the prices you are getting the generic V for it makes sense.

Suds,

I think Medicare Pharmacies have pill cutters. Pharmacy chain with big purple signs, one on Tran Hung Dao and another on HBT. Some others too.

You are buying 'real' Lilly C for 75k/pill, the same as the VN Generics. The point is, I would guess, but don't know, that it's 'fake.' It's got the real medicine, it works fine, but the packaging is false. It's too cheap for real Lilly C. I don't know for sure, but that's what makes sense to me. Especially in that part of town where you bought it. Medicare sells it for something like $10/pill. Something to think about as I have not seen what you bought.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Where do I buy a pill cutter? In Saigon?

Don't know about the Sildenafil coz I don't use it but I get real 'Lily" C from the small pharmacy on Mac Thi Boui (near non-GF Bach Dang hotel) for VND 300k for 4 x 20 mg. At that price why bother with generics?

At the prices you are getting the generic V for it makes sense.[/QUOTE]You can buy a pill cutter, locally made (Cat Thuoc) at the Medicare on Xo Viet Nghe Tinh St, east side, before the DBP traffic circle. 12,000D

[QUOTE=Johndao]Suds,

I think Medicare Pharmacies have pill cutters. Pharmacy chain with big purple signs, one on Tran Hung Dao and another on HBT. Some others too.

You are buying 'real' Lilly C for 75k/pill, the same as the VN Generics. The point is, I would guess, but don't know, that it's 'fake.' It's got the real medicine, it works fine, but the packaging is false. It's too cheap for real Lilly C. I don't know for sure, but that's what makes sense to me. Especially in that part of town where you bought it. Medicare sells it for something like $10/pill. Something to think about as I have not seen what you bought.[/QUOTE]
Johndao, I must congratulate you on your work for this forum; i.e your pictures and posts in the other thread.

I buy my "Vitamins" from a chemist at xxx DBP, D3. (for xxx, pls PM me)
Kamagra (Sindemfil generics) 4 x 100mg which I crush one and divide into 3 or 4 depending on the occasion.
MEGAFORT (Tadalafil generics) 2 x 20mg which I break into 2.
See pics below.
At this chemist, they also sell real Levitra and Cialis as well, but these are expensive. I was sceptical first for MEGAFORT but tried and had the same effect as Cialis/Apcalis.

I had to get a pill cutter in NZ!!! With this cutter, you can crush a pill. I reckon taking it in powder form should take effect more quickly. I crush them and wrap in very thin edable papers and carry them in my wallet (you never know when you need it) :)

Thanks for your kind words Joe. I just want to say a few things. I have lots and lots of pics of girls I have done here in HCMC the last few years. None are from bars or clubs, none can speak English. Only very rarely have given them any more than 200k Dong with 150k being normal, even 100K in some cases. I pay 50 to 80k more for a hotel room. 90% of girls let me take some pics of them and around 60% let me take all the pics and cam vid I want.

I like all ages, sizes and shapes. At the prices I pay, why not try them, I have little to lose.

I have had a hundred or more experiences in Hair Cut BJ places where pics are not allowed, and 10's more in Cafe Om places (not recently anymore, except once) where I sometimes get pic or two. I very rarely go to hotel massage places where you get one hour and a happy ending. I am almost always unsatisfied and appalled at what others before me have 'tipped.'

That brings me to the main point: money, or tipping. Tipping is just that, it's a tip. Not a fee, not a charge, but a tip. So that means it's whatever you want, any amount. Nobody can demand a tip of any kind, then it's not a tip, it's a fee. Body massage in Vietnam and some other Asian countries is just that, full body massage and for some men who want, a happy handing accomplished manually, just like the rest of the massage. It's not sex per se, but it is sexual relief or prostate relief. There is NO additional fee for this service, which is technically not even allowed by local law or hotel/MP policy. There is no fee of 200k or whatever. There is no charge of 200k or whatever. Girls don't 'demand' 200k or whatever. But they are not stupid. They have learned over time, that some men, particularly western men think that massage HJ is some kind of extra service for which the men must pay dearly and for the women to be richly rewarded. They don't ask, 'I massage left arm, how much you give me'? or I massa right leg, how much you give me'? Or now head massage, how much? Your dick and its relief is just part of the deal. So give them a tip for their time and effort. But don't negotiate a fee or charge, it's not necessary. 100k is always more than enough, for those who are insecure about fees.

Look, there are those here who think getting a CIM BJ furtively in an upstairs room of a HBT bar is a great deal, or who are happy giving a 200k tip for an under towel, quick, no feel her body HJ to a poverty stricken, uneducated young lass from the countryside because she grew up prettier than her cousin who labors in a factory 6 days a week for 1.4 million Dong a month. But you don't have to. I have incresed my CIM BJ tip from 50 to 60 then to 70, 80 and now 100k since 2005. Prices in HCMC have gone up accordingly and so have my tips. Sometimes I am annoyed by something and signal it with an 80k tip.

Joe, again, I am pleased in your faith in me for following my directions out to D7. It's an experience, not the greatest but it's cheap and can be fun and different. The best is if you find a real cutie and come back to her and then get a number and go to a hotel sometime. You just have to try these places out. Try some other places please, and let us know the deal. It takes roadwork. One final word, I wrote that I gave 20k for the coffee and 100k to the girl as I made her work real hard and long on a thick dick before cumming. I had originally intended less. I see no reason why Joe paid 150k. It just makes it higher for everyone in the future and in general. Next time Tom will go and give 200, and then Mike will go and give 250 and soon it will be like HBT with girls 'demanding' 500k.

With this in mind, I will continue to post details of peripheral places that I may never return to, or don't care if I return to. But my favorite places I will keep for myself as I don't want them ruined by price inflation.

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[QUOTE=Johndao]
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It's an experience, not the greatest but it's cheap and can be fun and different. The best is if you find a real cutie and come back to her and then get a number and go to a hotel sometime. You just have to try these places out.
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With this in mind, I will continue to post details of peripheral places that I may never return to, or don't care if I return to. But my favorite places I will keep for myself as I don't want them ruined by price inflation...[/QUOTE]
Johndao, I agree with you a 100% on the points you are making here. I dont want to dig into this more than necessary, but the reason why I gave this woman 150K was very simple. I only remembered that you paid 20K for a drink and 100K for the service. But I didnt remember exactly what service you received. I assumed you didnt get a BJ. Hence I thought additional 30K would be justified for a BJ. I agree that we must keep the tipping under control for Tom, Mike etc. I think this type of place is great; simple, quick and cheap.
To me the hobby of ours is like many other things that people do. It is the process of getting what you set out to achieve. Once you got there, it's somewhat an anticlimax. I enjoy this process, and of course the end result; some time good, some time bad.

Johndao, do you have your PM enabled?

Cheers

Sorry, the correct price for C.ales 20mg is 45k Dong, NOT 75K Dong as I reported earlier. This is Tadalifil, a Cialis generic. I buy it at Thien Thanh Nha Thuoc (drugstore) on Nguyen Trai St near the Nguyen Van Cu intersection. They also have Viagra generic Majegra 100mg from India for 35k Dong per pill.

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]Johndao, I agree with you a 100% on the points you are making here. I dont want to dig into this more than necessary, but the reason why I gave this woman 150K was very simple. I only remembered that you paid 20K for a drink and 100K for the service. But I didnt remember exactly what service you received. I assumed you didnt get a BJ. Hence I thought additional 30K would be justified for a BJ. I agree that we must keep the tipping under control for Tom, Mike etc. I think this type of place is great; simple, quick and cheap.[/QUOTE]Joe, Johndao, others..

I am travelling through Asia for next few weeks and going to be in Ho Chi Minh a few days in March.

I do no speak Vietnamese but would like to experience as much of the city and the women as possible.

Can you recomend some places where to hang out for drinks and possibly meet women who will go back to my hotel? with or other places to find some high quality women?

Any other travel tips and women tips are greatly appreciated!!

Thank you,

Fishing,

I have not been contributing here for long, but what you ask for is the purpose of this forum. Just read the posts, there are pages and pages of recent posts coving exactly the info you are looking for.

JD

PS: Caveat Emptor -- the closer you are to the Central Business and Tourist District, the more people you will encounter looking to RIP YOU OFF. Not violently, thankfully. There is a rather pathetic strip of bars along Hai Ba Trung Street with incredibly overpriced services and girls. This is where most tourists and short-term business visitors go to get ripped off.

[QUOTE=Johndao]

You are buying 'real' Lilly C for 75k/pill, the same as the VN Generics. The point is, I would guess, but don't know, that it's 'fake.' It's got the real medicine, it works fine, but the packaging is false. It's too cheap for real Lilly C. I don't know for sure, but that's what makes sense to me. Especially in that part of town where you bought it. Medicare sells it for something like $10/pill. Something to think about as I have not seen what you bought.[/QUOTE]

Finally got some privacy to get some pics. The box in pic 1 is a bit squashed from my suitcase but still has the seals intact. I always make sure that the seal are intact.

Tried to get a clear pic through the packaging but could not. Each Pill is marked as C20 as indicated on the ukmedix site.

[url]http://www.ukmedix.com/cialis/lilly-cialis.cfm[/url]

I have used the generics and found them to be equally as effective. In fact there was one brand from India where the pills were like an 8 and easily slit in half.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Finally got some privacy to get some pics. The box in pic 1 is a bit squashed from my suitcase but still has the seals intact. I always make sure that the seal are intact.

Tried to get a clear pic through the packaging but could not. Each Pill is marked as C20 as indicated on the ukmedix site.

[url]http://www.ukmedix.com/cialis/lilly-cialis.cfm[/url]

I have used the generics and found them to be equally as effective. In fact there was one brand from India where the pills were like an 8 and easily slit in half.[/QUOTE]
Hope you don't mind - but I BELIEVE that the pills you bought are actually counterfeit Cialis pills and NOT the genuine, made by Lilly, Cialis.

Please see the accompanying foto I attach - which I've also posted on the shanghai boards BTW - which shows the difference between the REAL Cialis - that I buy through my doctor in Hong Kong (for HK$380 = +- US$48 for a box of 4x20 mg pills) and is on the lower left hand corner of the picture VS. the fake ones - which is on the upper left hand corner of the picture. Please note that all the other products in the picture are also counterfeit.

Please note the difference in the colour of the box - and how my counterfeit pill's box colour closely matches your box.

Also please note the different "logos" - the Genuine product has a hologram/3 dimensional effect tape whilst the counterfeit ones - yours and mine - instead has on the same space, the printed logo "Lilly icos."

Also, the "seal" you refer to on both ends of the boxes - the genuine ones are cellotape with a bi-colour rendering of the Cialis logo, whilst the counterfeit ones just has black rendering of a padlock.

I'm not sure about the Dong/US$ exchange rate so I don't know if you overpaid or not - but in China, we get these counterfeit 4x20 mg cailis for approx US$5.00 retail and $1.50 wholesale just FYI.

Like I said, I apologize if I'm butting in when its none of my concern and that I certainly am NOT trying to flame you or anything. Thank you

SEAJ

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Hope you don't mind - but I BELIEVE that the pills you bought are actually counterfeit Cialis pills and NOT the genuine, made by Lilly, Cialis.

Please see the accompanying foto I attach - which I've also posted on the shanghai boards BTW - which shows the difference between the REAL Cialis - that I buy through my doctor in Hong Kong (for HK$380 = +- US$48 for a box of 4x20 mg pills) and is on the lower left hand corner of the picture VS. the fake ones - which is on the upper left hand corner of the picture. Please note that all the other products in the picture are also counterfeit.

Please note the difference in the colour of the box - and how my counterfeit pill's box colour closely matches your box.

Also please note the different "logos" - the Genuine product has a hologram/3 dimensional effect tape whilst the counterfeit ones - yours and mine - instead has on the same space, the printed logo "Lilly icos."

Also, the "seal" you refer to on both ends of the boxes - the genuine ones are cellotape with a bi-colour rendering of the Cialis logo, whilst the counterfeit ones just has black rendering of a padlock.

I'm not sure about the Dong/US$ exchange rate so I don't know if you overpaid or not - but in China, we get these counterfeit 4x20 mg cailis for approx US$5.00 retail and $1.50 wholesale just FYI.

Like I said, I apologize if I'm butting in when its none of my concern and that I certainly am NOT trying to flame you or anything. Thank you

SEAJ[/QUOTE]

I don't mind and don't really care because the stuff works and is at about the right price on the street. The same was true of generics that I got from pharmacies in Bangkok. We are all aware that a lot of stuff is copied in Asia and some of it is done very well.

But how do you know that your REAL stuff is real? With the Chinese lettering on the box? Although I agree with you about the different shade of green.

Pity that Lily Icos don't give more specific details at their site. We might have to get some from a legitimate pharmacy somewhere to know.

Overall I don't have a problem with generics anyway. Often in a legitimate pharmacy they will ask you whether you want the brand name or generic and as long as a knowleagable pharmacist is checking ingredients and I am checking as well I figure its probably OK. Is it at the point where a pharmacist might have to check the ingredients independently? I don't think so.

Anyway my stocks are getting low and I need to buy some generic online. Be interesting to see what arrives.

I see that there are separate threads for discussion of Viagra and Cialis but there is not a lot of activity. In fact much of the activity is from guys recommending on-line pharmacy sites where the prices are considerably higher than we are discussing. Caveat Emptor!