Madagascar

Neddy69,

Those don't mind. They come there for monkey business: dealers, traders. Just look at all the goods now on the markets in Tana: China made. Look at the cars, scooters, motorcycles: Chinese brands. The times when Indian traders imported French goods is over. But it's not only the open trade. Take smuggling: chameleons, snakes, lizards, turtles, rosewood. All ends up in China for a premium price. Aside from the precious stones of Ihosy, the takeover of the Vanilla trade, or the oil fields, unregsítered, where you see Chinese with their drilling equipment. There is the big money of corruption where the government officers get their cars, houses and mistresses paid. With more than 800 companies now on the island, China has established itself as Madagascar's largest trading partner.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2015050]business: dealers, traders. Just look at all the goods now on the markets in Tana: China made. Look at the cars, scooters, motocycles: Chinese brands. The tiems when Indian tradres imported french goods is over. With more that 800 companies now on the island, China has established itself as Madagasscar's larg.[/QUOTE]The only products the Mada consumer market can afford are Chinese-made plastic junk and synthetic rags. As for the mercantilists themselves: you won't see anywhere in Africa (which is saying a lot) such a misbegotten, ill-dressed and utterly crude, classless and rapacious assortment of humanity as the Chinese who turn up in Mada. But, if the West has forsaken the country- except to give driblets of humanitarian and environmental aid- who can blame to orientals to exploit the economic situation for all its worth.

I remember 2 years ago. I spent 2 months in Mangily. Almost no tourists. Met a french monger. When I wore my tusker TShirt he recognized me as a brother. LOL. Mtwapa.

The lagoon. I got the best HJ of my life. The southern star sky. Unreal. Two boite de nuit. Sebans and Bar bleu. No power no running water in my bungalow. Who needs that anyway. F. Ing Paradise.

I shagged always the same 5 massage girls. One day. I hear a chopper. WTF. Suddenly big convoy. Waving handmade paper malgache flags. School girls. Hery got out of the car. Walks through mangily. The president that is. Main road dusty. My bungalow. Run by swiss man. Arthur. Paid 100 $ A Month. At night. No lights no power. Party at Sebans and Bar Bleu. Hope this titanium oxide mine never opens! Don't spoil my paradise! Next time I go I will take the pirogue to Morombe and Andavaduk. Soon.

I miss Mada. Perfect happiness.....
And I had the worst shits in my life there hahaha

At neddy69.

Bad news on this front. They have already refurbished the road with tarmac, a Chinese Company is building the 107 km long road to the sites of the deposit. Tulear-Mangily is alreaedy paved. Now you can travel with a regular car and the journey takes 30 minutes. There is a big deposit of mineral sands at 50 km north of Tulear. Two very big companies are involved in the business, Kumba Iron from South Africa and Tronox from USA. The prices of TI o2 have soared recently. Rio Tinto is operating a big mine of the stuff. The only impediment for them is the quality of the road. Can it last the heavy trucks loaded with 50-60 tons of material? Will be the same thing as the transportation of the limestone from outside Mtwapa to Bamburi cement factory.

[QUOTE=Taurus1;2017052] a Chinese Company is building the 107 km long road to the sites of the deposit. Tulear-Mangily is alreaedy paved. journey takes 30 minutes. at 50 km north of Tulear. Two very big companies are involved in the business, Kumba Iron from South Africa and Tronox from USA.[/QUOTE]US company involved? Now they'll have to have a military base.

[QUOTE=Taurus1;2017052]Two very big companies are involved in the business, Kumba Iron from South Africa and Tronox from USA..[/QUOTE]In none of their annual reports 2016 is anything mentioned of an activity / investment / engagement in Madagascar. If so, it must be non disclosed. Questionable.

From where will they be able to ship tons of ore? Tulear does not have any harbour facilities and Tolagnaro has no road connection to Tulear.

Chinese connections, as they did built the road?

At amadeuss.

The mining licenses were hold by small exploration companies and now Kumba Iron and Ticor Ltd. (a subsidiary) of Tronox are involved. Also World Titanium Resources are / were involved. There are deposits from Tulear to Morombe. The exploration compitanies wanted to involve the big shots from 2003 on but the financial crisis from 2008 on made all efforts obsolete because the big companies had troubles with the existing mines. The holdings are through subsidiaries and until know no significant Investment has been made to be sletated in the reports of the big companies. Information is available at Google under TOLIARA SANDS PROJECTS. It is very interesting that the road pass by the sites of the depositse lateron destroyed by the heavy t.

In the internet is also a study / presentation of the sites from World Titanium Resources. The question of transportation of the mineral is also explained. There would be no sense to build a road to be destroyed by the heavy trucks lateron. The solution is a slurry pipeline to the port of Tulear. Appearently this port is apt to take the produce for exportation. Anyway, the eventual project will take at least 3 years and then comes the construction.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2017093]US company involved? Now they'll have to have a military base.[/QUOTE]The US Company is involved because they took over the Australian Company Ticor Ltd. Which operates mainly in Australia.

By the way, a very big Investment in mining in Madagascar is the nickel mine in Ambatovy.

I am confident, that it will take another 30 years. LOL. In addition to build brand new port facilities. There is not sufficient electricity. I heard from people in the know that it is also planned to build a new electric power generation plant in Tulear running on coal. Which in turn means building also a coal mine nearby. Real estate prices are already ruined. Loads of karane driving up prices. Well. When the tarmac road to morombe is finished I can travel much more in comfort to Morombe In a couple of years ths road will consist of potholes anyway knowing the high quality chinese road construction.

[QUOTE=Neddy69;2017481]I am confident, that it will take another 30 years. LOL..[/QUOTE]Agree! The planning started in 2003. Now, 14 years later just a 20 km fuckin road was built. I did manage that sand piste on a motobike. Now it will be more easy to ride.

But Taurus, if you been there, instead of talking about this conspiracy stuff, where is your input on that what's important to our hobby?

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2017502]Agree! The planning started in 2003. Now, 14 years later just a 20 km fuckin road was built. I did manage that sand piste on a motobike. Now it will be more easy to ride.

But Taurus, if you been there, instead of talking about this conspiracy stuff, where is your input on that what's important to our hobby?[/QUOTE]I never was in Madagascar, but I have the intention to go there in a one year's time, maybe also evaluating as a place for early retirement. I answered only to post #2133 of neddy69 with information from the internet. Anyway, it is a strange thing that they build a road to nowhere, except for the access to the deposits of titanium oxide. There are more important roads in Madagascar then this one to be refurbished. But I suppose that neddy69 is right, t nothing will happen in the foreseeable future. The construction of a mine near Mangily / Ifaty would be a killer of this laid back paradise.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2017502]But Taurus, if you been there, instead of talking about this conspiracy stuff, where is your input on that what's important to our hobby?[/QUOTE]Very few guys will make the effort to submit a proper report but most guys here need attention and never been in Mada. So this is why you will never see any report from them regardless their claimed to be "on the ground "ready to meet etc.

Just a few Updates from the ground.

Nothing much changed. A few km of new road from the airport. But no more Navette Bus. Now the taxi Mafia asking for 80.000. I did pay 35.000 for the trip to town. I saw some of older hotels closed. Chalet Rose is still a good place for me although slowly it should undergo a touch up. A bit cheaper is the Shanghai just a few meters uproad.

Glacier putes starting with 100.000 for the non locals. One went down to 40.000. But she did smoke heavily and had no tits. I picked up a happy young one outside. 40.000 all night, firm body, good attitude. Next day and night I spent with a date from TongaSoa.

Tamatave is bursting of girls chasing for Vahazas. Not only at La Terraces but also along the beach or at the roads after dark. But don't walk. Its no streetlight at all. Pitch dark. I took a Tuktuk, 5000 Flatrate to drive me round. Found a nice full bosomed for 30.000 a night. Next day along the beach 2 Girls following me to my hôtel for 20.000. Although one just gave a BJ and disappeared in the bathroom once I fucked the other girl.

Mada still a great place but not fitting all. To speak french is a must.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2026800]Glacier putes starting with 100.000 for the non locals.
Mada still a great place but not fitting all. To speak french is a must.[/QUOTE]Mongering is a matter of luck / chance but not only in Mada. Better to get to a small town and stay there. Something will come for sure.

I got a marriage proposal from a Tana stunner, light skin smart etc.

If you got to Tamatave you probably heading to SM. Any girl which you will talk on the street will be yours. Zero failure rate. Put them on your motorbike and drive to the hotel, simple as that. If they say no tell them that you bought them a gift. Faction of a sec latter they will be sitting on the moto "In love".

Amadeuss,

Thanks for the on the ground info. I am glad to hear there is plenty of pussy looking for work. With luck I will be there in August and the situation will be the same! And the prices are still good. Taxi mafia can go fuck themselves. I will stay overnight near the airport and head next day straight to Diego!

DonOmar. I know in the Philippines SM is Shoe Mart mall but I don't understand the reference regarding Tamatave? Care to elaborate?

Cheers guys and happy hunting.

Southeaster.