Jakarta

[QUOTE=James006;3029062]I tried asking earlier but no response. Is there really not a single strip club in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]Nope. No. Nada. Tidak.

[QUOTE=Chilli1;3029069]I saw in tgram group people posting time decreased from 90 minutes to 60 minutes for 2 girls and 40 minutes for one girl.

If one more person confirms then they changing rules.

Maybe next time prices will go up soon?[/QUOTE]Yes, it seems to be like that now. As early as 30 minutes and as late as 45. Quite aggressively, knocking on the door, multiple calls. Barely time to shower. It is like a train station there and most of the rooms are occupied when I go through there. Still, it is really bad customer service and with the tipping, insisting on covered everything it seems the good times are over. I blame the finish in 10 minutes customers. Prices have not increased there but e. G. In Emporium. So you know what is coming.

In Jakarta for the first time, so far enjoying classic. But was tempted to try the upscale options and as it was nearby chose Emporium. Easy enough to find, turn right at the reception. Left is the hotel. They put your phone in a stupid bag, as mine is in a case with a front making it completely unusable. Oh well. Second shock, almost no girls. I asked whether I am too early and if later more would be available but no. 20 girls today. For the interested they open at 2 pm and close at 1 am, so I was told. New pricing goes as follows: entrance fee 300 k (but most likely only applied if you do not pick a girl). 3 tiers of girls now: green for 900 k, red for 1550 k and black for 2050 k. They wear dresses in these colours. I saw 2 greens and 3 blacks, the rest was red. I found the greens more beautiful than the blacks, but the latter were chatty, the former disinterested otherwise would have picked one that was from the body perfect. But if a girl looks away bored she rarely is a winner. I got a tall, thin lady with bubbly personality called Lexi who did not disappoint. You get 30 minutes playing in the hot pool (or the ice cold one if that is your thing) but it was mainly light massage and actually not really erotic. You loose a lot of time when either you or her are showering, changing or running through the place. Which is actually very clean and quite nice hardware wise. But I rather have a girl rock my world in a dump then getting bored in luxury. Just my view. Lexi started with a really nice massage and tried some oily body sliding, a discipline in which she will not qualify for the olympics but it was a nice starter. So I prepared her with some manual and oral stimulation until she was dripping wet and came (or not, felt genuine but we all know how good woman can fake it). On with the rubber and fun was had, she really put in effort and after a while allowed wild kissing. We used the full hour and I was out after exactly 90 minutes. I paid 1700 k which included a 150 k tip she asked for with these stupid tip sheets which I could not read. She seemed ok with it. If my math is correct this means no 300 k fee. It was a good session and she was way more experienced and effort putting in than the classic girls I tested so far but price wise I get much better value at the same cost in Bangkok e. G. In Hunnybunny or even Mango (if they manage to fix the Whirlpool there). There were e other guests that I saw in my time there. Not sure if that and the lack of girls mean bad business? Return unlikely for me, the girls are not that stunning, looking forward to see if 1001 is really on another level. Went to T5 afterwards and easily found all I needed.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;3029115]Yes, it seems to be like that now. As early as 30 minutes and as late as 45. Quite aggressively, knocking on the door, multiple calls. Barely time to shower. It is like a train station there and most of the rooms are occupied when I go through there. Still, it is really bad customer service and with the tipping, insisting on covered everything it seems the good times are over. I blame the finish in 10 minutes customers. Prices have not increased there but e. G. In Emporium. So you know what is coming.[/QUOTE]T5 is still allowing 1 hour & 90 min. Only T2 has reduced its timings.

Following up the post below. I've found the line-up underwhelming. They have taller girls, which is a good thing, but they're not at all tall gazelles. They're broad-shouldered sturdy girls with big heads. Not at all my cup of tea.

In my latest session the girl in the room said BJ must be covered as per house rules (really?). I was allowed to lick her pussy but whenever my tongue wandered to her butthole she cringed and withdrew. In the end what I was getting was the same as I get maybe one time out of 15 at Classic's, only for five times the money.

At almost all the Kota Indah bars, take out is an option for 2 vouchers and you get 3 hours / 2 shots back in the comfort of your room. Only extra usually is gojek fare back to Kota Indah for the girl after 3 hours. Some girls are amenable to BBFS but tips expected seem to be getting higher overall in Jakarta.

All this exposure online seems to have be rising the prices up overall, and reducing the time (like classic) so enjoy Jakarta while you can before it goes the way of Thailand.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3028950]Emporium, 1001, Travel, Classic, Kota Indah bars, etc are set up as all-inclusive operations with the general expectation that services will be provided on-site. The girls are not freelancers. I have seen reports that girls can be brought out of some establishments by purchasing multiple tickets, which just means that you pay for multiple sessions for the privilege of takeout. My intuition is that many girls would prefer on-site for the safety and straightforwardness of the transaction, but you can explore.

Unfortunately the reliable and inexpensive freelance joints (eg TC in the North and Blok M bars in the South) are long gone. If you want girls back at your crib, there are mixed reports of using MiChat app or Lokasari girls. Seems to be either heaven or hell depending on the report. Read back and you will see the experiences. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;3029115]Yes, it seems to be like that now. As early as 30 minutes and as late as 45. Quite aggressively, knocking on the door, multiple calls. Barely time to shower. It is like a train station there and most of the rooms are occupied when I go through there. Still, it is really bad customer service and with the tipping, insisting on covered everything it seems the good times are over. [b]I blame the finish in 10 minutes customers.[/b] Prices have not increased there but e. G. In Emporium. So you know what is coming.[/QUOTE]Always some external entity to blame. Let's get real. The girls (and mamis) at Classic will be rejoicing this as a win win win win. One, the girls won't have to lie there taking a tedious 30-40 minute pounding from guys who like to pound every minute possible out of thier USD22 session. Two, the girls won't see any reduction from thier mainstay "finish in 10 minutes" clientele (aka Asians). Three, despite lots of screeching, there will be negligible reduction in the let-me-speak-to-the-manager bules as they have little alternative to Classic (and since Classic and Travel have the same supposed ownership, entirely possible that this practice will extend there soon enough). Four, the popular girls and mamis will get more income by turning over more tricks as mami can point the laser again quickly for the next customer. Peversely, this might actually attract better talent to Classic as the time limit (sadly) favors the house over the punter. Don't think that the owners and managers didn't think carefully about the net impact to their business from this change. In the end, suppose some will just need to learn to pick up the pace. Cepat cepat! Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3029144]Peversely, this might actually attract better talent to Classic as the time limit (sadly) favors the house over the punter. Don't think that the owners and managers didn't think carefully about the net impact to their business from this change. In the end, suppose some will just need to learn to pick up the pace. Cepat cepat! Enjoy Jakarta, AR.[/QUOTE]Not sure how the quality of the girls will increase as a result of reducing the time-in-the-room.

Anyway, it seems that the time reduction from 1 hour to 40 minutes (45?) is a real thing and not just what I was told when I pushed the issue. My main point of concern is that the mongers are not told this when they book a girl. The mami can easily say "New times. You now get 40 minutes", or the room boy, who leads you to the room with the girl, can say the same. This would allow better planning for the monger on how long he wants to kiss / cuddle, and change positions etc. Instead, I had the phone ring loudly and unexpectedly, causing disruption and losing focus, just when I was thrusting into a lovely, warm vagina. And the banging on the door is not conducive to a good finish. First World Problems, I know.

As for what difference the reduced timings will make. The owners benefit, the mami's benefit, the girls benefit. Everyone fucking benefits except the punter. For the weekend party-goers who fly in from Singapore etc and bang for 2 nights and return home, there's not much they can do about these changes. But for longer term guys like me, who are here for months, I can see Classic becoming a showroom. I'll try new girls, and the ones who give great service will become my private companions on their days off. And I'll probably spend more time in KI. As someone who's been going to Classic maybe 4-5 times a week, this will probably come down to 2-3 times now.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3029144]Always some external entity to blame. Let's get real. The girls (and mamis) at Classic will be rejoicing this as a win win win win. One, the girls won't have to lie there taking a tedious 30-40 minute pounding from guys who like to pound every minute possible out of thier USD22 session. Two, the girls won't see any reduction from thier mainstay "finish in 10 minutes" clientele (aka Asians). Three, despite lots of screeching, there will be negligible reduction in the let-me-speak-to-the-manager bules as they have little alternative to Classic (and since Classic and Travel have the same supposed ownership, entirely possible that this practice will extend there soon enough). Four, the popular girls and mamis will get more income by turning over more tricks as mami can point the laser again quickly for the next customer. Peversely, this might actually attract better talent to Classic as the time limit (sadly) favors the house over the punter. Don't think that the owners and managers didn't think carefully about the net impact to their business from this change. In the end, suppose some will just need to learn to pick up the pace. Cepat cepat! Enjoy Jakarta, AR.[/QUOTE]Maybe, but there is a limit to how much you can reduce the time, until people stop going. 40-45 minutes, including showers, is what I usually use if everything is smooth sailing with the girl. At 40 minutes, it becomes an unpleasant rush. Not what I want at all.

I've used the full 90 minutes with two girls almost every time (I need that time to recharge for the second shot). With only 60 minutes, taking two girls will no longer be very interesting to me.

40 minutes is an option I never choose in e.g. Thailand, where most shops offer it at a discount, simply because I don't want to feel I need to hurry, even if I usually finish within 40 minutes.

Hope this change, if true, fails hard and fast. Not holding out much hope for that though, as it would require a lot of punters to complain and stop coming.

I perfectly agree.

And it is not just 45 minutes, but also ear a ring after 30 minutes, than, after shower, mean just 20 minutes with girl on bed.

I hope they be back to not lost clients.

I already have a ticket to came in Jakarta next Summer (and a way back from Bangkok), but I will short my time here if the time remain this ones.

Jakarta is a ugly town, if sex became bad goodbye forever.

Price can be still good, but to go there to run 30 minutes, no.

Then when the phone ring I imagine the girl would reply. So a stop too. What will became the action?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3029165]Maybe, but there is a limit to how much you can reduce the time, until people stop going. 40-45 minutes, including showers, is what I usually use if everything is smooth sailing with the girl. At 40 minutes, it becomes an unpleasant rush. Not what I want at all.

I've used the full 90 minutes with two girls almost every time (I need that time to recharge for the second shot). With only 60 minutes, taking two girls will no longer be very interesting to me.

40 minutes is an option I never choose in e.g. Thailand, where most shops offer it at a discount, simply because I don't want to feel I need to hurry, even if I usually finish within 40 minutes.

Hope this change, if true, fails hard and fast. Not holding out much hope for that though, as it would require a lot of punters to complain and stop coming.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Metso;3029122]T5 is still allowing 1 hour & 90 min. Only T2 has reduced its timings.[/QUOTE]I was there twice the last days and they cut me short both times. T5. Maybe it was bad timing and all rooms were full but it was 45 (even less), not 60. Maybe I was just unlucky. T2 today told me before entering the room 45 minutes and called after 35. Really annoying. And I take my watch with me and check.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;3029097]1 year ago I had 2 girls and the phone rang not even 1 hour.[/QUOTE]Sometimes it happens by mistake I think. Happened to me once, but showed the girls the timer on my phone, and said to tell them it should be 90 minutes. Didn't have any problems.

Trying all the venues here so tonight it was MiChat after a very satisfying session at T2 (while interrupted prematurely after about 35 minutes to the annoyance of both of us). MiChat is a complete message overflow, as soon as you set it up you get bombarded with very clear messages and friend requests. (On a side note on my phone I can only make pictures if I grant the app full camera and microphone access. Full meaning at all times even when the app is closed). Lots of not very attractive ladies and lots of photoshop. Price quotes ridiculous, most 800 k to a million.

One quoted 500 k and pictures seemed legit. But she refused to come to my place, it had to be her Hotel Antares. It was nearby so I strolled over. Constant messages where are you. Send me a picture. And after I arrived it took a long time until she reacted and told me the floor. And that is when things got really odd. She insisted to use the elevator but just before I could go to it the receptionist took it and went to her floor. So I took the stairs and encountered a bunch of young guys in the staircase just before her floor doing whatever. They were friendly but it was midnight and at that time I decided to cut my losses and retreated. The MiChat lady got mad at me claiming to know nothing but still refuses to come to my place.

And guess what, just got another friend request claiming 300 k for 2 shots. Guess where she stays. Correct Hotel Antara.

I might be overreacting and this can all be a coincidence. But better safe than sorry.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;3029213]Trying all the venues here so tonight it was MiChat after a very satisfying session at T2 (while interrupted prematurely after about 35 minutes to the annoyance of both of us). MiChat is a complete message overflow, as soon as you set it up you get bombarded with very clear messages and friend requests. (On a side note on my phone I can only make pictures if I grant the app full camera and microphone access. Full meaning at all times even when the app is closed). Lots of not very attractive ladies and lots of photoshop. Price quotes ridiculous, most 800 k to a million.

One quoted 500 k and pictures seemed legit. But she refused to come to my place, it had to be her Hotel Antares. It was nearby so I strolled over. Constant messages where are you. Send me a picture. And after I arrived it took a long time until she reacted and told me the floor. And that is when things got really odd. She insisted to use the elevator but just before I could go to it the receptionist took it and went to her floor. So I took the stairs and encountered a bunch of young guys in the staircase just before her floor doing whatever. They were friendly but it was midnight and at that time I decided to cut my losses and retreated. The MiChat lady got mad at me claiming to know nothing but still refuses to come to my place.

And guess what, just got another friend request claiming 300 k for 2 shots. Guess where she stays. Correct Hotel Antara.

I might be overreacting and this can all be a coincidence. But better safe than sorry.[/QUOTE]I've had a bunch of those too, from a couple of different hotels. I never tried, but don't think they are more of a scam than anything else on michat. One of the girls was funnily enough even staying at the same hotel as I (Holiday Inn, a somewhat pricey, for Jakarta, hotel). For that one I was tempted, just to see, but her price was double of what I was interested in paying and she / her admin refused to come down on price. I thought it would be funny if I came down to meet her in the lobby in my hotel slippers.

I would expect the usual very photoshopped, or bait and switch, photos, but wouldn't worry about much else, unless things look particularly dodgy.

I'm not using michat / online crap because I want to go out somewhere though (if I want to go out to find a girl, I will just go to Classic or KI), so never bothered going to their hotel. I usually answered no, that they have to come to me. One or two agreed, but after video call to verify, I was no longer interested. Some were obviously some type of mini-Classic with several girls.

Still, trust your gut, and better safe than sorry as you say.

Suggest you counter offer and ask them to come to you instead, even if they list a hotel, as some may accept.

Just visited Emporium last night, I concur that it's expensive now. I was charged an entrance and facility fees even when I took 2 girls. I also visited Maxwell hotel and it was cheaper, the standard room was bigger and they have a TV. I guess it's a goodbye to emporium eventhough I like the people there especially papi David.