Angeles City

I've only traveled in 36 countries, and agree your number can be punched anywhere. I'm reminded of Haing S. Ngor--who survived the savage horrors of the Khmer Rouge before starring in "The Killing Fields, he was shot to death outside his apartment near Dodger Stadium in LOS Angeles by robbers looking for drug money. I was held up at gun point in Rio in 2003 1/2 block from my hotel. I had very little money on me and swear I could see the gunman deciding whether I was worth a bullet or not. And have been victim of petty theft a few times including a Therma chick who stole my cell phone in my hotel room right under my nose. I tend not to take public transportation unless I know a city well, as I do when I spend a month or more in Medellin. I do agree with the carrying the bare minimum when out and about. I have a 2nd 'older' cell phone that provides me data while out and about and runs off my project Fi provided spare sim card. The thing I always agonize about is taking the passport with me. Getting stopped without it (even with a copy of the ID page or drivers license) can lead to awful hassles in many parts of the world. Of course having it stolen can be its own nightmare.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2122598]I've now been traveling for more than 40 years, throughout all of SE Asia, a good part of Africa, much of Eastern Europe as well as Western Europe. I've lived / worked / traveled in 55 or 56 countries, and in all of those times, and through all of those countries was robbed exactly once-in Paris, in broad daylight, on one of the nicest areas of the left bank. I've never had problems anywhere in Thailand or the Philippines, despite having walked solo throughout Angeles City several times. Perhaps I've just been lucky, or perhaps it's the fact that in third world countries I never take public transportation. For me, it's not an "adventure" but an uncomfortable, easily avoidable hassle. I carry nothing but a credit or debit card, a driver's license and enough cash to get me through the night and I take a private car or a taxi to wherever I'm going.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2122598]I've now been traveling for more than 40 years, throughout all of SE Asia, a good part of Africa, much of Eastern Europe as well as Western Europe. I've lived / worked / traveled in 55 or 56 countries, and in all of those times, and through all of those countries was robbed exactly once-in Paris, in broad daylight, on one of the nicest areas of the left bank. I've never had problems anywhere in Thailand or the Philippines, despite having walked solo throughout Angeles City several times. Perhaps I've just been lucky, or perhaps it's the fact that in third world countries I never take public transportation. For me, it's not an "adventure" but an uncomfortable, easily avoidable hassle. I carry nothing but a credit or debit card, a driver's license and enough cash to get me through the night and I take a private car or a taxi to wherever I'm going.

GE.[/QUOTE]When the Nazi officer tells Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca that Germany will also invade the USA, Bogart quips back there are places in the USA no one should invade as they're all mad gang bangers etc. Soi 6 in Pattaya is very much a walk on the wild side from 3-6 am and it and the beach are best avoided. We are trying to get a happy medium here and jeepneys etc help us to monitor our expenditure rather than constantly arguing with taxi / tuktuk / trike drivers we imagine are out to stiff us. I actually like public transport up to a point and I've caught several trying to dip me on them.

Avoiding little scams can also make us prey to bigger scams. The key thing is to be alert, to have a good idea what to expect and to have good situational awareness. Some places like Soi 6 or Dau station in the early hours leave no room for evasive action and that is the nub. Going native is fine as long as one remembers one is not a native and one is vulnerable, all the more so if in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Boys can we take this petty crime and less than armed robbery debate to General Info?

PedroMorales you got enough valuable info and insights here to make a wise decision for yourself.

In the event you go to Angeles I hope you will file a report on the girls.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2122842]Boys can we take this petty crime and less than armed robbery debate to General Info?

PedroMorales you got enough valuable info and insights here to make a wise decision for yourself.

In the event you go to Angeles I hope you will file a report on the girls.[/QUOTE]Let me tell you what I already know.

1. Getting there and away: we are discusisng that now with respect to petty crime.

2. Hotels:

A. I was charged 500 PHP extra at Juanita's for having two women. I also got stung in another for dirty sheets (one of them had her period), and they tried to stiff me again, saying the sheets were dirty / red even though I had had nobody stay with me. I dropped my pants to them when checking out. This is a feature of many hotels, trying to fleece you with extras. Beware and maybe ask in advance.

Be. Hotel Fenson as it now calls itself is ok, a bit away from Fields which suits me. Rooms were basic as were the skanks for hire in the bar. Western food ok for a change.

3. Transport: Jeepneys are ok. Trikes are a hepatitis danger if you get hit. They are inconsiderate bad drivers. Can't stand them. The trikes by Fenson are a different class as they sit and wait for custom.

4. Food: Good local food available and worth it for the price conscious. Big fish for PHP 100.

5. Haircuts / laundry: Plenty of good service. The shears / iron scissors are a laugh. Very pppular in Philippines but would be good for cooking up fried chickens.

6. Clothes shopping: It seems to be they no longer do the big sizes. I got some bargains – very expensive shoes – in 2nd hand shops. The cheap place in Angeles was a waste of my time as nothing fitted me and I am not particularly big.

7. Exchange rates: vary significantly. Ask around.

8. Street urchins: a nuisance.

9. Jailbait gangs: hang out with very ugly third sexers. I hung out with my two skanks observing them and those they attracted. There is an obvious market there for lamb. The ones I observed look definitely like traps.

10. Bars: Outside of morning coffee, I can't stand the places though I do find their outfits hilarious /.

11. Street scams: I can't stand the Viagra sellers and must confess to getting caught twice: once for getting my shoes shined and buying a fake phone. Agree on price beforehand and don't buy shtt off the street.

12. Bareback was not an issue. Only one,. A bar skank, insisted on cover.

13. Clap: I got a mild case of chlamydia. If it happens to you, go to the hospital and don't waste your time with the clinics.

14. Clap treatment: I took double dosage of the recommended generic drug and I gave the rest away to my preferred skank. I just went into a few pharmacies with the same prescription. Be advised the hospital doctor recommended only two generics and said the others were useless.

15. Clap at home. I got a thorough checkout when I returned home and was cleared for everything. So I'm good to go again.

16. Skank quality: Iprefer street walkers, chatting to them and sizing them up. I fed the main two at, for them, a high end restaurant (Jollybees) and then went karaok'ing with them which was fun even though I go drunk on Red Horse. They enjoyed the night but became too clingy afterwards as I was one of their rare meal tickets.

A. I liked one of my main skanks and paid her well. I liked listening to tales of her hard life and what I paid her was worth that alone. The last time I bonked her (with a condom) I paid her what she siad was the biggest she ever got in her life). I hope to see her again and might treat her to a trip home – if she is not disease ridden.

Be. Her wing woman and the one to get her into the game is a lost cause. Pregnant with her third child, lives at home and gambles the nights away when she has money, her kids are half feral and get fed occasionally.

See. Hotel skanks: They have their own little scene going and I don't like to be in such clubs. Better staying out of them as we tip them money would best be given to a real worker as a tip.

17.

Best: Angeles is just a place to puss it up,. Many frequent flyers have already made a baby there and they return to see their lady and drink an ocean of beer and hang out where they can flaunt their sexism and say naughty words like fggk and cyynt in bars without getting booted out.

Worst: Angeles is a one horse town and it does not even have the grace of Pattaya. It is a small area and the trikes and vendors are a real pain in the ass. Unlike Pattaya it has no way of going upmarket or changing its image. It is simply a place to go and bonk poor farmers' daughters and take a bunch of anti biotics afterwards.

18. My performance: I just wanted to bang a lot of chicks until the urge passed. So it worked for me.

19. Other mongers: As I didn't go there to bang them,. I avoided them mostly. One of the things wrong with bars is Australians with tattoos think they have a right to talk to you and explain in detail to you what morons they are. One asshole who hung around the hotel bar annoyed everyone one by one with h is tale of woe.

A. His girlfriend aka hired working girl was up in Subic banfging some guy and asking him for more $$.

B. He had already given her a very substantial sum of $$ for the right to bang her on her off days from Mr Tuk Tuk.

C. This guy was the wrong side of 60, looked older, had a bum leg and dressed like he was a hand on an outback sheep station.

D. Everyone told him what he already knew: that he was pay for play and he should f – off back to Australia. He's given her access to his bank account etc. Or maybe he'the given access to his ex wife. Either way he was screwed. The guy refused to see he had no game on and all he could bring was his pension money. I don't go to Angeles to listen to fools like him.

20. Happy hours: May Australia pensioners hit the bars for happy hour and then vanish. They are long term residents and have their own beer swilling culture afoot.

21. More information. Not much. I go to Angeles to bang women in a cost effective way. For that, I need to get there, have a hotel that is fit for purpose and a steady supply of women to suit my needs. I feel this is best done by just getting the right one for the occasion and ramming her. Unless women are genuinely into 3 some, we are paying two to get less than 1 can give us.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2122842] In the event you go to Angeles I hope you will file a report on the girls.[/QUOTE]I am not too much bothered about their looks and I see no point in paying much extra for supposed stunners half of Korea have already humped. I find their back stories interesting but diminishing returns etc I find many of them are bonked out and are too jaded with sex to put in the effort.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2122890]Let me tell you what I already know.

A. I was charged 500 PHP extra at Juanita's for having two women. I also got stung in another for dirty sheets (one of them had her period), and they tried to stiff me again, saying the sheets were dirty / red even though I had had nobody stay with me. I dropped my pants to them when checking out. This is a feature of many hotels, trying to fleece you with extras. Beware and maybe ask in advance.

B19. Other mongers: As I didn't go there to bang them,. I avoided them mostly. One of the things wrong with bars is Australians with tattoos think they have a right to talk to you and explain in detail to you what morons they are. One asshole who hung around the hotel bar annoyed everyone one by one with h is tale of woe..[/QUOTE]You are a charmer PM and am sure the mongers happy you did not engage with them. Angeles is what is it is and I don't like it for some of the reasons you noted (singlet wearing westerners, not just Aussie as most are American). And 500 pesos is $10 - you pay way more to get there so don't ***** about $10 as makes you sound like a cheap charlie LOL.

Holy amigo Pedro.

Looks like they are all out to scam you. Some hotels do charge for the 3rd and extra person. Kind of standard hotel policies. Should have touched the blood and licked your finger and said, nope it is old blood!

Newer trikes passenger cages are framed with 1 1/2 to 2 inches stainless steel pipes. That is the code now. Lot safer than the old 1" pipes. I have found most trike drivers to be relatively safe. It may look like chaos but it is controlled chaos. Haven't seen any road rage amongst the trikes.

Keep skanking on!

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Worst: Angeles is a one horse town and it does not even have the grace of Pattaya. It is a small area and the trikes and vendors are a real pain in the ass. Unlike Pattaya it has no way of going upmarket or changing its image. It is simply a place to go and bonk poor farmers' daughters and take a bunch of anti biotics afterwards. <SNIP>[/QUOTE]Paragraph of distinction Pedro.

I share your opinion.

Pedro,

Given your mostly negative list of pros and cons I have to wonder why you bother to return. It sounds like the place doesn't hold a candle to Pattaya, at least as far as you are concerned. The hassle and expense to go bang skanks doesn't sound worth it. Why repeat?

SE.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2122991]Holy amigo Pedro.

Looks like they are all out to scam you. Some hotels do charge for the 3rd and extra person. Kind of standard hotel policies. Should have touched the blood and licked your finger and said, nope it is old blood!

Newer trikes passenger cages are framed with 1 1/2 to 2 inches stainless steel pipes. That is the code now. Lot safer than the old 1" pipes. I have found most trike drivers to be relatively safe. It may look like chaos but it is controlled chaos. Haven't seen any road rage amongst the trikes.

Keep skanking on![/QUOTE]Thank for the advice. It is a long time since I did that.

The thing with these scams is they wear you down. We want to relax and cannot do that when hotel staff and others are ripping us off. I get that some mongers leave the place in a mess but paying 500 php extra with nothing else given is a scam. Ditto them trying to pay for sheets that had not been especially soiled (I had merely slept in them alone for two nights). Scams like that night after night are a pain.

The trike drivers are a nuisance with their parking and driving. The danger there is hepatitis if hit by one of them.

Logistically, Thailand is much easier. One can even go for a walk in Pattaya and there are more opportunities there. Duterte should do some serious house cleaning but maybe the Philippines does not lend itself to that.

I had a good chat with a female hair dresser. The skanks pay up to 15000 PHP to get their hair done. That woman had a pile of businesses going, all built of taking money from skanks rather than paying them.

Did any of you intact men have issues with the Pinoy girls preferring circumcised men?

I am intact and, one time, the girl reacted somewhat intrigued when she saw me. The encounter still went well but it made me wonder if someone had bad experiences because of this.

I know well the customs in Philippines regarding circumcision and the fact that society imposes this custom on boys and I expect that many (most?) women in this country prefer circumcised men. Needless to say I reject the practice but I do not want to debate the "merits" of this operation.

I am just curious to what extent this can be an issue within pay for play environment. Because, if it turns out that many intact men had issues like this, maybe Angeles City is not the best entertainment place for me.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2123055]Pedro,

Given your mostly negative list of pros and cons I have to wonder why you bother to return. It sounds like the place doesn't hold a candle to Pattaya, at least as far as you are concerned. The hassle and expense to go bang skanks doesn't sound worth it. Why repeat?SE.[/QUOTE]There are two parts to your answer:

1. Why Philippines? I like banging them. That narrows it down to.

2. Why Angeles? It is reasonably convenient, a handy Jolibee of cheap working girls. Going to Angeles is not that different for going to a cheap cafe anywhere. There are self-evident pluses and minuses and more that are worthy of exploration. Many retired Australians have a system that suits them: drink during the cheap hours when beer is on special, say strooth, bloody ye, fucking shielas mate for a few hours as they swig down beer, maybe bonk a skank, do some karaoke, maybe bonk a skank, play an occasional game of golf, repeat.

Angeles' main advantage is price and convenience but it is a shit hole. The alternative is to take an actual holiday with some skanking as a second course. Lake Sebu, Palawan, diving, the occasional skank which would make for a better holiday but which brings it own logistical issues. My ideal would be a quiet and safe seaside place, with a good selection of skanks, no trikes and everything nearby.

Angeles one would just have to get the right hotel and skank away. The other involves work and effort and is stil a possibility. It would also involve flights from Manila or Clark. Still might pick that option, Horses for courses.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2122890]

12. Bareback was not an issue. Only one,. A bar skank, insisted on cover.

13. Clap: I got a mild case of chlamydia. If it happens to you, go to the hospital and don't waste your time with the clinics.

14. Clap treatment: I took double dosage of the recommended generic drug and I gave the rest away to my preferred skank. I just went into a few pharmacies with the same prescription. Be advised the hospital doctor recommended only two generics and said the others were useless.

15. Clap at home. I got a thorough checkout when I returned home and was cleared for everything. So I'm good to go again.

[/QUOTE]STDs apart, aren't you guys at all concerned about impregnating a Filipina?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2123241]STDs apart, aren't you guys at all concerned about impregnating a Filipina?[/QUOTE]When I was leaving, I gave one of the skanks, who was pregnant with her third child, a rake of condoms. She had no interest or use for them. She is 25 and if she reaches 30 it will be a miracle. We have different world views and it leads to all sorts of issues.

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;2123211]Did any of you intact men have issues with the Pinoy girls preferring circumcised men?

I am intact and, one time, the girl reacted somewhat intrigued when she saw me. The encounter still went well but it made[/QUOTE]One of the reasons a small number of skanks don't like to deal with Indians etc is phimosis, a common problem in hot climes. Unless your foreskin affects your wallet, I cannot see any issue beyond that.

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