Kyiv

[QUOTE=IvanBuyan;2564419]Hey fellas, so I observe a kind of the holy war on the last few posts here.

I just want to share my opinion (as a guy who stays in Kyiv for many years) on why sex sells at higher prices each year here and who is the one to blame.

First of all I really think that most of you started Visiting Kyiv since 2013-2018. Those were pre and post revolution years and as some of you perfectly know from history lessons. Revolutions drop down the local currency to the bottom, cause everyone is getting rid of the assets that belong to the country on war / revolution. Ukraine had both. War and revolution. During 2014 - 2015 prices were rediculously low. Check this out. Now $1 is around 27-28 UAH. Back than I remeber exchanging $1 for 38 UAH (though few months before the rate was $1 - 8 UAH). I rented a perfect apartment in the center of Obolon for 7 k UAH which back then was 200-230 USD..[/QUOTE]One of the best posts in a long time. Another factor pre-covid guys were working abroad. They would come back for weekends and blow made cash.

[QUOTE=Adelat572;2564501]I am a regular visitor of Kyiv since 2006! I have seen my days in this beautiful city! But now sadly, everything has changed! The prices are sky rocking! The gills left to Europe and Dubai! They don't need visa as used to be! .also Ukraine removed the visa for all people from the rich gulf states! They ruined the sex industry! That, unfortunately the sad reality right now![/QUOTE]Dubai is a rich destination for these girls, but with a high risk. Don't forget Dubai that it's a Muslim country with Muslims rules, just look at the history of the photo model / prostitutes in April.

For a nude pic in jail and expulsed from the country.

[QUOTE=Fred54;2564714]Dubai is a rich destination for these girls, but with a high risk. Don't forget Dubai that it's a Muslim country with Muslims rules, just look at the history of the photo model / prostitutes in April.

For a nude pic in jail and expulsed from the country.[/QUOTE]Ukraine girls love Muslim Dudes. Ukraine is full of guys from Middle Eastern countries, another fact that most forget to post in there reports.

Hey,

I'm new to Kiev. Its taking me longer than expected to find a girlfriend so need a couple spots to hold me over. What is the best quality (regardless of price) strip club, massage spot, salon, any other physical location? In Colombia there were strip clubs and massage parlors with beds in the back and the most beautiful women in the city. Anything like that here? Thank you.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2564875]Ukraine girls love Muslim Dudes. Ukraine is full of guys from Middle Eastern countries, another fact that most forget to post in there reports.[/QUOTE]This is a big lie, I'm tired to see in Ukrainian dating sites: "Muslims not please" in fact is the only country I have seen in world, were lot of girls write this.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2564686]Great report, but it's been like this for many years. When I was hanging out there five years ago, we were consistently being quoted prices for over to $200, sometimes more. This was for very average girls, honestly most I would not do for free. I watched my friend consistently being ripped off and taken advantage of. These guys that claiming that they are banging hot girls for $75 is just not true.[/QUOTE]If all you care about is CFS and CBJ, there are definitely hot pros in the $75 range. If you want more, you can expect to pay more.

I like the land analogy. I pay more to get what I want. And the fact is I can get excellent value for my money compared to almost anywhere in Europe. I also happen to like Slavic girls. If you find a good one, they are among the best on the planet.

[QUOTE=Ringudor;2564974]This is a big lie, I'm tired to see in Ukrainian dating sites: "Muslims not please" in fact is the only country I have seen in world, were lot of girls write this.[/QUOTE]As a guy who made friends with escort girls, strippers and just regular women in Ukraine, I want to share my opinion. As far as I understood only certain layer of prostitutes really enjoy Muslim guys. And this layer is cheap prostitutes + very few expensive escorts as well as regular women who have fetish for hairy men with beards and brutal looks.

Why cheap prostitutes like Muslim? Well, with all the respect to some of my Muslim friends. Usually they don't care who to fuck Cheap prostitutes with very "ok" appearance compared to an average Ukrainian girls love Muslims cause for them they are have exotic guys who look out of their league + fuck them and pay them money for this and make a ton of compliments.

Expensive escorts girls are sometimes ok with "rich" Muslims like guys from Dubai and so to say "europeanized" Muslims from EU / Israel / Turkey sometimes. Other types of Muslims (even being rich) from conservative Eastern countries including most of Turkey, Kavkaz region is a big No-NO for expensive hookers because they are very often rude, not generous and act crazy (especially drunk) and may cause lots of troubles.

I once asked escort girl who are her favourite clients and she told Russian and Americans cause they leave best tips, fun and are good at sex.

[QUOTE=IvanBuyan;2565092]As a guy who made friends with escort girls, strippers and just regular women in Ukraine, I want to share my opinion. As far as I understood only certain layer of prostitutes really enjoy Muslim guys. And this layer is cheap prostitutes + very few expensive escorts as well as regular women who have fetish for hairy men with beards and brutal looks.

Why cheap prostitutes like Muslim? Well, with all the respect to some of my Muslim friends. Usually they don't care who to fuck Cheap prostitutes with very "ok" appearance compared to an average Ukrainian girls love Muslims cause for them they are have exotic guys who look out of their league + fuck them and pay them money for this and make a ton of compliments.

Expensive escorts girls are sometimes ok with "rich" Muslims like guys from Dubai and so to say "europeanized" Muslims from EU / Israel / Turkey sometimes. Other types of Muslims (even being rich) from conservative Eastern countries including most of Turkey, Kavkaz region is a big No-NO for expensive hookers because they are very often rude, not generous and act crazy (especially drunk) and may cause lots of troubles.

I once asked escort girl who are her favourite clients and she told Russian and Americans cause they leave best tips, fun and are good at sex.[/QUOTE]Love the report. Ukraine girls do not care. They will do what they have to get the Hell out of Ukraine. Correct the beautiful once can write there own ticket. Any weekend in Kiev and other cities in Ukraine will be filled with M. Dudes. If you doubt me do do some research. My last few visits the clubs would be 75% T. Dudes, sorry these are the facts. Those that claim Caribbean Club is good, has 90% M. Guys. (No Offense). That place Sucks, one of the worst clubs I have ever visited. Just another fact that the old timers conveniently leave out of there reports. Great report and so true.

I know, this must have been discussed in parts of replies but I still hope to get non RTFF answer.

While searching for AirBnB apartments in Odessa (curiosity) I found that the value for money for apartments is way more than apartments in Kiev. Obviously Kiev is expensive but that made me wonder. If Odessa is so welcoming to tourists and so many options to choose in AirBnB, can I expect the value for money is better with girls in Odessa? I know this might not be an easy apple to apple comparison. I'm a stripclub and massage parlor guy. Can I date to venture out in Odessa after a few successful Kiev visits? Anyone cares to humor my thought?

[QUOTE=Ringudor;2564974]This is a big lie, I'm tired to see in Ukrainian dating sites: "Muslims not please" in fact is the only country I have seen in world, were lot of girls write this.[/QUOTE]In fact Ukrainian girls love money! They don't care about your religion.

! They care about your pocket! I travel to Ukraine since 2006! All Ukrainian girls in this business, either pros. Or semi pros. All what they care about is your pocket! That is it!

[QUOTE=Adelat572;2565259]In fact Ukrainian girls love money! They don't care about your religion.

! They care about your pocket! I travel to Ukraine since 2006! All Ukrainian girls in this business, either pros. Or semi pros. All what they care about is your pocket! That is it![/QUOTE]Yep, there are many nights at the clubs, when I or my friends lost our girls to M. Dudes. They were throwing around mad cash. Guys would say they had a table. The girls would ask us to buy a table we would say no, the rest was history. The girls would milk them for there money, very rarely would they go home with guys. Back then a lot of girls were getting a commission from the clubs for what they got guys to spend.

[QUOTE=NorskKing;2565229]I know, this must have been discussed in parts of replies but I still hope to get non RTFF answer.

While searching for AirBnB apartments in Odessa (curiosity) I found that the value for money for apartments is way more than apartments in Kiev. Obviously Kiev is expensive but that made me wonder. If Odessa is so welcoming to tourists and so many options to choose in AirBnB, can I expect the value for money is better with girls in Odessa? I know this might not be an easy apple to apple comparison. I'm a stripclub and massage parlor guy. Can I date to venture out in Odessa after a few successful Kiev visits? Anyone cares to humor my thought?[/QUOTE]Hey buddy,

I may only say that most of the year Odessa is a bit cheaper than Kyiv but not in Summer time and not this Summer when EU is still closed and all tourists from Ukraine go to Odessa. I would say that the amount of rich love seekers in Odessa per girl is a lot higher than that in Kyib when we talk about Summer time. Same for prices on apartments. They grow crazy in Summer time. If you are a big sea and beaches fan and want to see more beautiful girls per square meter, then go to Odessa (cause all escort girl will go there, so there will be a ton to choose from) BUT the prices will be crazy.

Also Odessa will be full of guys from Turkey. This happens each summer, they visit Odessa like its Las Vegas. This Summer they plan to let Turkey citizens visit Ukraine without any Covid tests, so Odessa will be a district of Istanbul.

I would stay in Kyiv for few reasons. Less people, still fun, still a ton of beauties, more strip clubs and cheaper apartments, so I would say more value for 1 dollar. On the other hand, Odessa definitely has some specific vibes, some people feel them, some don't.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=IvanBuyan;2565409]Hey buddy,

I may only say that most of the year Odessa is a bit cheaper than Kyiv but not in Summer time and not this Summer when EU is still closed and all tourists from Ukraine go to Odessa. I would say that the amount of rich love seekers in Odessa per girl is a lot higher than that in Kyib when we talk about Summer time. Same for prices on apartments. They grow crazy in Summer time. If you are a big sea and beaches fan and want to see more beautiful girls per square meter, then go to Odessa (cause all escort girl will go there, so there will be a ton to choose from) BUT the prices will be crazy.

Also Odessa will be full of guys from Turkey. This happens each summer, they visit Odessa like its Las Vegas. This Summer they plan to let Turkey citizens visit Ukraine without any Covid tests, so Odessa will be a district of Istanbul.

I would stay in Kyiv for few reasons. Less people, still fun, still a ton of beauties, more strip clubs and cheaper apartments, so I would say more value for 1 dollar. On the other hand, Odessa definitely has some specific vibes, some people feel them, some don't.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I'm in Kyiv now and it is full of people from the gulf states (Saudi-Qatar-United arabEmirat-Kewit. Ect! And the price for escort went crazy with terrible quality!

I am new to this site and I am planning my first trip to the Ukraine. Is it a problem being from the USA? I most certainly did not vote for Trump, but is it a problem. Also it seems that the women in the Ukraine only like to do "short time". In places like Thailand all night is usually about twice the "short time" rate, but it seems that, from what I have read, all night is like 5 times the short time in the Ukraine. I guess there is an area where the night clubs are. Are the girls there more likely to do a overnight then the escorts? I hear that most of the escorts are full of crap (photoshoped photos, and fronts for salons) but are a reasonable number of them on kexkiev. Xyz ok?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Desin;2564588]Good discussion and great points!

Tinder has the problem that if I put it on only after I'm in Kiev, it has it's delay in finding matches. But if I put it on couple of weeks before I'm in Kiev, I won't get matches because I'm either thousands of miles away, or my distance is hidden and this probably makes certain kind of girls to swipe left.[/QUOTE]I would not be swiping on Tinder when you are not in Ukraine unless you can spoof your location or you go the two phone route. The problem is that girls will see your location is hidden or you are 1000 km and swipe left. This will lower your ranking quickly and will make it super hard to find matches. Once you get to Kyiv, your account will be virtually dead with your low ranking. I would suggest having two Tinder accounts. One for when you are at your home location and one you open up when you arrive with an Ukrainian SIM on a different phone.

Tinder really sucks all the data it can. It knows when you use one phone to open multiple accounts by IP, MEID, Google / Apple account, etc. Be sure to put your location as Kyiv too when remote swiping and when people ask why you are 1000 km away, just say you live in Kyiv but are on business trip. I am 45 and got 40 matches in a couple days in the age range of 22-29 as an average looking dude. I lower my age a little bit and brighten the bags under my eyes a bit in photoshop. Nobody has every said anything when we met in person and I recommend getting those little gel things for under your eyes. They really do help so much.

Tinder is a long game at least for me. Probably only at 10% for ONS, but almost at 50% after three dates. I would suggest putting your profile in Russian and English too. I've met up with a few girls that speak no English. It is weird, but fun when you have zero communication skills in bed. Good luck!