[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]I fail to see what the matter with Haitians is. [/QUOTE]
My issue with Haitians is that Haiti has the highest HIV concentration in the Western Hemisphere.
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[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]I fail to see what the matter with Haitians is. [/QUOTE]
My issue with Haitians is that Haiti has the highest HIV concentration in the Western Hemisphere.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]My issue with Haitians is that Haiti has the highest HIV concentration in the Western Hemisphere.[/QUOTE]
But all Haitianas do not have HIV and some of Dominicanas that you are fucking might just have it.
[quote=mattco]guess you had to see what was happening to appreciate.while i think she is beautiful and a nice girl,just thought it was ironic that she had an attitude about me buying a drink for as she said was a punta.although she didn't charge me i think she was a chica for hire,she new everyone down there.hell i was starting to miss the chick after 2 days with her.[/quote]
excellent report man! with regards to her being upset, i think its only fair to acknowledge (at least from my own experiences) that when these girls let us hit "for free" there is a combination of crucial factors involved.
1.how we look. 2.money(ability to get larger amounts at a later date) 3.ability to communicate 4."boyfriend" potential (boyfriend=sponsor)
if these four are in place you may very well be seen as a good long term investment.in order to purchase the "stock" ,payments are made in pussy.she was upset because she wasnt seeing a return on her investment.
as ar as the hip hop types debate goes.i agree w/ hoof hunter and others that point out that markets get soiled due to desperation on the part of the consumer.this is the only free "market" in which the rules of supply and demand work against the consumer due to the stupidity of our peers.i am as hip hop as it gets and have had beers with everyone from officers of the law from american cities, to italian bakers from rome.when we interact on the board or share advice with one another via private message no one ever ask the other persons race.it has more to do with common sense practices than anything.
just imagine if we all were to unite and wear t shirts that said "1200 y no mas." do you really think the girls would pack up and go home? hell no! they would all say "okay papi 1200".i saw a guy in sd pay 200 to the house in santo domingo. i aint talkin gambling here people.it was this girl's last day at the casa. she was eager to do business and i agreed to take her and repeat business if she was "good to me". no sooner than i could take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and come out the restroom some dc newbie got word that i was taking her and sought to beat me out by offering more. 200 for the casa? he can have her. while it ws disapponting, i have my principals.overpaying is against my morals.=)
thats the type of stupidity that is ruining all of the various markets.
Hatians arn`t bad its just not all guys dig them. A lot of guys like the latina look. I`m just trying to tell it the way it is here. Passions takeout 2500.Pretty good quality. Another take out is is the big bar on the left hand side of the street. Its called Mars, PLuto or some other Greek -myth name. The girls ask for 3000 but you can talk them down to 2500. Good quality. At one forty closing time cheaper. Two other hotel options away from the action down calle rosen is the Romanoff and across the street another hotel forgot the name but it declares it dutch or belgian run. Both large look like monger hotels. Up the block from the Europa is another small hotel Casa angela, nice 45 a nite new no guests though ac ,looks good asked the guy is it chica friendly he said yes. Last nite used the Calypso hotel my chica had no id.300 pesos clean but run down no ac, but safe.
At first I laugh at the comment of HIP HOP TYPES, but to be fair, I agreee with the comment on throwing money in the air. I think thats plain stupid. Throwing money in the air is giving these girls signals that you have money to burn and splurge and when these girls do ask for more you wonder why? Those girls are there for money period.
But with the Hip hop types, I don't see nothing wrong with hip hop today or back in the days. You have good people and bad people from every race and culture. And just because hip hop was started by black Americans, people want to stereotype the black people associated with it. You never see this in any other culture where blacks and whites act like they live on two seperate planets in the same country.
The United states has come a long way and has many acheivements. Still it has failed to this day to address, much less resolve, several of the fundamental contradiction and problems that had plagued the young nation from the very beginning. (Skin color)
The Civil War brought about the abolition of slavery but racial discrimination has continued unabated in US society and politics, keeping the nation divided along race lines, largely into two separate economies, two segregated societies and two antagonistic political cultures.
The United States is also a world leader in a world where over 70% of the population is non-white and 65% non-Christian.
So I just think that these comments are funny and very judgemental of someones character. But its good we have boards like this where we can discuss things about the woman and get info.
Why are we discussing this? Hatian/Dominican
Can we just talk about banging chicas? Instead of fighting who has aids, no one knows who has what.
As far as what my eyes see and ears hear. They are all black. One is just slighty darker than the other and one speaks a different language than the other. Also a girl is a girl, and has a p*ssy and thats why we go there and get laid, maybe yall can take this fight to the back thread to see who has aids.
Forget this color and language sh*t and get back to discussing p*ssy.
Also I agree that its stupid to be throwing money in the air.
And I don't agree with the comment on the hip hop types. What are hip hop types? I love hip hop!!!!!!!!! People are people you can't discriminate them because of who they are and because they are not like you. We all come from the same country can't we just get along???????????
What is this thread coming too?????
This thread should be change to people I don't like.
Lets get back to the p*ssy thread!!!!!
At first I laugh at the comment of HIP HOP TYPES, but to be fair, I agreee with the comment on throwing money in the air. I think thats plain stupid. Throwing money in the air is giving these girls signals that you have money to burn and splurge and when these girls do ask for more you wonder why? Those girls are there for money period.
But with the Hip hop types, I don't see nothing wrong with hip hop today or back in the days. You have good people and bad people from every race and culture. And just because hip hop was started by black Americans, people want to stereotype the black people associated with it. You never see this in any other culture where blacks and whites act like they live on two seperate planets in the same country.
The United states has come a long way and has many acheivements. Still it has failed to this day to address, much less resolve, several of the fundamental contradiction and problems that had plagued the young nation from the very beginning. (Skin color)
The Civil War brought about the abolition of slavery but racial discrimination has continued unabated in US society and politics, keeping the nation divided along race lines, largely into two separate economies, two segregated societies and two antagonistic political cultures.
The United States is also a world leader in a world where over 70% of the population is non-white and 65% non-Christian.
So I just think that these comments are funny and very judgemental of someones character. But its good we have boards like this where we can discuss things about the woman and get info.
Throwing money in the air is giving these girls signals that you have money to burn and splurge and when these girls do ask for more you wonder why? Those girls are there for money period.
spanish english dominican
te quiero i want you i want your money
te amo i love you i love your money
tengo problemas i have problems i need your money
tengo hambre i am hungry i need your money
tengo sed i am thirsty i need your money
tu me haces falta i miss you i miss your money
solo tu only you you too if you give me enough
money
[QUOTE=Hoof Hunter]Sorry dude, no mean to antagonize, but your point is BS. Hip-hop types aren't what has Sosua in the predicament that it is. If such were the case, Rio de Janeiro, Medellin and Lima Peru are 3 examples of what used-to-be great monger markets that got fucked up other than hip hop types.
Let's change that "hip-hop types" term and replace it with "desperate idiots." I assert that because only a completely desperate idiot would allow an otherwise undereducated (maybe illiterate), and probably more financially-desperate chica out-hustle and out-negotiate him, yet they do it all the time, and tell their friends. And I'm not talking about newbies either. There goes your market right there.
The "hip-hop types" aren't the reason that the Europa or Sosua is what it is. It was the folks before them. Funny enough, the Europa was the better of the mongering lodging options about 3-4 years ago. These hardcore non "hip-hop types" flocked in abundance to such 5 star establishments as The Sosua Palace and the place across the street with the name that I forget now. How soon we forget and cast blame.
Now some of that same non "hip hop type" crowd have inhabited Medellin, and prices are very laughable now. Case in point, imagine a full service massage place go from $30USD to $80USD, and not due to exchange rate. I present you with Loutron in Medellin. "Hip hop types" didn't cause that. Same with Help in Rio. Same with Tequila Rocks in Lima.
Hip hop has nothing to do with it, nor race. It's common sense or lack of usage of common sense by desperate idiots. I rest my case.[/QUOTE]
As always you make some valid points Hoof. Sosua was suffering a bit before the Jetblue runs and it had nothing to do with the hip hop guys. However, the entire Vibe of the place has changed. Things are different, and the girls we wouldn't even talk to are now putasuperstars. Tell me, if the girls that formerly couldn't buy lunch are now getting 2500 pesos a night, being bought mixed drinks all night long in the disco what does that do to the actually pretty girls?
Then there is the matter of the rest of the economy. Sosua and the surrounding areas used to not really demonstrate a tourist economy (except cabarete). Once upon a time the Europa charged 29 dollars a night, a lobster dinner was about 8 bucks, the High Caribe was packed, literally packed, with women of all types at a ratio of about 8 to one, The women dressed like latinas and acted like latinas, and you once you got with them you almost had to fight them away. It is different, IMO. Again, for some people these changes are good and they are getting exactly what they want. Who is to discount that? It just isn't what I travel for anymore.
[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]I fail to see what the matter with Haitians is. It sounds like you are going downmarket. I speak Spanish fluently and I can get by in basic Krèyol. I had both Dominicanas and Haitian women when I was there last summer. I had good and bad experiences with both kinds, but in the end, Haitians seemed to be more genuine. Perhaps that was a fluke.
I would like to see what your take on this is. Perhaps there is the idea that Dominicanas are more, shall I say, "hygenic". They tend to be more light-skinned, though not always (for me, the darker the skin, the better). In any case, I will be making my way back to Sosúa this summer. I have an open mind. I only care if the girl is nice or not (apart from the looks), not her national origin.
In thinking back about my experiences there, I do think that a kind, generous attitude (kind but not stupid), well-dressed presence, and a knowledge of the local lingos (both Spanish and Krèyol) go an awful long way towards getting your girls but then again, some will say that all you really need is to flash a wad of pesos and you will get as far. I humbly beg to disagree.[/QUOTE]
Hatians are despised by dominicans, but some of the girls are very smart, speak three or more languages, and have this african style beauty that is just fantastic. There are a few real gems in the rough among some haitans, especially if you find one new to the business. One of the funny things to watch is the haitan's telling the guys they are from 'santo Domingo' or some other town and the guys never knowing they are with haitans, and then bad talking the haitan girls out of the other side of their mouth.
Your last paragraph is telling. Those guys that think it is cool to flash money around and are really trying to impress their travel mates miss the experience the more low key guys get that have put in the work to learn the language and customs of the locals instead of trying to impose their culture and ways on them. Maybe they don't want that experience but I would suggest they are the ones missing out. There are guys that have been going to sosua for years and years and the can't carry on a basic conversation in spanish. This is sad for them.
It has nothing to do with skin color. It is the type of mentality that goes with the "hip hop" sect. Every moron who feels they don't fit it is wearing a baseball cap to the side claiming thug status.
The hardest to look at are the "white breads" from middle america....man do they look stupid in hip hop gear.
At least past generations of subcultures had reasons to revolt...the hippies in the 60's and the punks in the 70's. They revolted for more or less a political/social reason.
The current status of hip hop is " I am" and you " are not " Where is the love ? Where does it unite against a cause (white or black) It doesn't.
However when it first came out in NYC during the 70's it was a fascinating art form. I used to admire it..afrika bambata,Schooly D,Eric B and Rakim etc.
I travel to get away from american crap. I am so disgusted with what is going on in this country. The last thing I want to see on an island or anywhere else I visit is american "waste"
Also there is a general "code of conduct" when you travel overseas which is "try to fit in" blend with other people and cultures......"meet new people" . I don't think many visitors to sosua understand that nor do they care. Most foreigners look down on americans for that reason. We are so used to other people changing for us or learning our language that we dont accept the same responsibility.
Sorry to rant.
I visited Sosua for the first time last month, and had a great time. I am an ex Merchart Marine seafarer of thirty years, so I have seen my share of 3rd world, dockside areas, and all that goes with it. In fact I docked on a ship in Puerto Plata 24 years ago. Anyway, USA Americans, it is unfortunate on the majority of their attitudes abroad, they just do not get it! Myself and another European colleague would get great free entertainment, just observing their antics/socialing skills at the bars, etc. On chatting with the chicas, (my Spanish is passable), I was surprised how disliked they are, in fact some of the girls referred to them as 'monkeys'. This is just a general observation on my part, I do know decent wordly wise Americans, I wish the majority were the same, but free entairtainment is hard to ignore!
I was with my novia, but had a bit of daytime fun with various massage parlor girls...
#1. I told her I just wanted a BJ, no massage, and she was cool with that. As I was stroking her leg she pulled off her miniskirt and let me feel her up. Next thing I knew she pulled out a condom, climbed on top and fucked the shit out of me. I should have sued her for breach of contract, but did not have the heart.
#2. Tall dark pretty girl, new in town. Had massage the first time, and she did a rather feeble handjob, and seemed very nervous, but I chatted with her some more afterwards, stopped back later worked on building up her confidence, then returned the next day and fucked her. She had the cutest pussy I have ever seen. I think this may have been her first time for pay.
#3. Older woman who I have known a long time. Gave her an early morning fuck and she said she did not get much sex these days. Once she got into gear she really heated up and had a big orgasm.
#4. Massage with two girls. Excellent long massage, then fine four-handed finish gave me the best orgasm of the trip.
I don't like to identify particular individuals by name, but this just gives you an idea of the kind of fun that can be had out there.
Sad story: guy told me of a girl he knows who is really depressed about working as a puta in the disco. She had two black guys interested but she did not want to go with them as they "hurt" her. Not sure if she is referring to penis size or just generally rough lovemaking technique. Told them 3000 pesos and they laughed at her. She left alone.
Hip-hoppers? Don't know. I think with the Jet Blue flight a lot more guys are coming down from the New York area. Mostly off-duty paramedics or firefighters who enjoy dressing up like pirates or basketball players. Some are nice guys, some are jerks. So what is new? Obviously they are not getting their needs met at home and are coming down for some Dominican sex therapy. Hopefully it will brighten up their lives.
Hello Friends,
In reading all of the posts, many have written to lament the changes wrought in Sosúa. I was there in August, 2007 and I did see hip-hop types but did not perceive them to be so pervasive. Perhaps because I was not staying at the Europa or because, much to my chagrin, I was unable to find Clásico.
Has Sosúa really gone to the dogs since August, 2007 or are people comparing it back in the 1990's?
Is the market for chocha screwed up now? How? In prices? In attitude? I last remember 500 to 1000 for short time, 1500-2500 TLN, depending on "quality".
I am also curious as to whether the ever growing slump in the US economy is going to have a huge effect in the DR. Will that cut down on people coming down from New York? Essentially, will there be more chocha per pinga? Has anyone noticed a change in the number of US tourists lately?
In any case, I am really looking forward to seeing the Siempre Sol crowd and the magnificent Dutchman running it.
As for the question of Haitians, I am well aware of their status in the DR but I really like them and I know others on the board do as well.
Peace
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Also there is a general "code of conduct" when you travel overseas which is "try to fit in" blend with other people and cultures......"meet new people" . I don't think many visitors to sosua understand that nor do they care. Most foreigners look down on americans for that reason. We are so used to other people changing for us or learning our language that we dont accept the same responsibility.
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I think this is true. I don't really buy the idea that Dominican chicas are into "hip-hop culture". I know several Dominican chicas quite well and generally they are very polite about foreign cultures, especially when there is money to be had, but their main preoccupations as far as ideology goes are their children and their families and I don't think it goes beyond that. Of course, they love to dance and drink, and if that is what hip-hop culture is, then they are into it. Mostly they are kind, considerate people and have excellent manners and expect to be treated politely.
I see most of the "hip-hoppers" as somewhat socially gauche young men who lack personal confidence. This is probably part of the reason why their sex lives are in Sosua rather than Brooklyn.