Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1986805]Seriously, is this April Fool's week or something? You actually think hookers care about you presenting yourself? If I was in your shoes that would be the least of my worries. All you need to do is walk up to the woman you want and speak 3 words. I guarantee she will be right behind you and probably with a friend in tow. The three words? Six-Thousand Baht.[/QUOTE]I thought it was pretty much agreed that they do, and that your appearance and grooming do impact your negotiated price. Personally, I don't go out mongering unless I am well-scrubbed and well-groomed. No, you won't see Eszpresszo walking Beach Road in a tank-top, shorts and sandals acting like a drunk idiot. Obviously, I am doing something right. As far as I can tell, I seem to be getting better service for less than what other people are paying.

But, if you want to pay five times the norm to compensate for a slob approach, then be my guest. I guess some mongers never learned how to date ordinary girls, either.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1986933]I am in no way joking. What woman do you know in Pattaya that is going to turn down 6000 baht from anyone? [/QUOTE]Sure everyone has their price, I guess. However some people just say no without offering a price. Do you really want to take a girl that is really feeling that she is going to tolerate something she hates, just to get an extra few thousand Baht, but probably have a bad attitude to the whole thing?

Personally I am looking for fun girls. Will I keep offering more money to a girl that does not want to go? Nope. It would be damn stupid, I think.

If she is not interested from the start, before talking money, forget it. First thing a Thermae girl said to me, in a not very friendly manner, was "yes I can take Farangs, but I have to charge higher". Do you think I said "I would love to pay you a lot more to tolerate me"? Not really. I was looking for a passionate GFE. LOL Is extra money going to make her passionate? Hardly. Another girl hardly wanted to speak to me but in the end indicated she was waiting for someone. Should I have offered her an extra 3K to try to change her mind? Another absolute stunner I met on the street, but she was rushing to make it to some customer appointment somewhere nearby (not a street walker). She might have been an escort (maybe). Should I have flashed huge cash at her? LOL She looked so good, the price could have been very high. Who knows? Enough money probably always works, but how much? I could have offered her a lot for contact details, but then she could give fake info.

Maybe some guys are just wanting a piece of meat with a hole to fuck, and don't care what is the girl attitude.

[QUOTE=SoloPlayer;1986594]I just wanted to share me dilemma here getting Pattaya girls. First let me brief you about myself. (I know boring, please bare with me, thanks).

I'm about (7.5) lookwise M. E. Guy, with the age of 28, reach 5'10", weigh 160 lb, athletic with 6 packs and all the nice features. I'm also very open minded person, fluent in English, well-knowledgeable, and with high-intelligence compared to the average crowd. I find ladies to be wowed with the common knowledge I have (have been asked if I'm Dr, Engineer, etc).

I have been to many places such as USA for bachelor degree, and girls find me attractive (How I know? I get several second looks, and the compliments "handsome, cute. " have been told in several occasions). I also do not have problem getting Thais in M. E. Countries. In fact, every time I enter venue of Thai WGs, I get approached from the best good-looking WGs in that setting.

I also do not have issue with money as I make around $100 K a year, and I'm staying in Pattaya at property priced over 11,000 baht per night..[/QUOTE]Girls are not really worried about your looks but with the cash you would spend. I have never encountered such a problem being Indian. There have been occasional rejections or turning down for men who are in groups and unruly not necessarily from India or Arab. All that is required is to be polite and approach the girl straight. 6000 Baht is respectable amount in Pattaya and you should not have any problem. However, some girls may have prejudice for certain type of people and this is not restricted to Pattaya.

I could almost feel a disturbance in the monger force when you said 6,000 baht. As if a thousand panties dropped at once and a thousand girls screamed yes.

Seriously though, I have always believed in letting the girl pick me. If I'm attracted to her and she isn't interested in me at all, I let her go. If I'm attracted to her and she's all over me, I pick her without hesitation.

Pattaya is a buyer's market. If you get rejected once, don't give up! I promise you'll find a hundred women willing to say yes.

I think everyone has good points regarding the topic. Here is mines and where I draw the line although I feel people pay what they want to make them happy. When it comes to Indians and I've pointed this out before just because you have the money one shouldn't have to throw it around just for them to accept or like you. I know two door guys who I rent rooms who work down on Walking St. One at a popular place. I've had a beer or two with these guys in the past and the impression I get from the conversation is they generalize and profile. They been told not to allow these type of guys if they dress and look a certain way that would indicate they are Indian. How many of you actually know who you are sitting with in places that they are Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc, unless you know the language. They have been told to look for certain things like the clothing, the accent, even how they wear their hair. That being said it is really hit and miss with some customers.

Based on what I've learned there has been a number of times because I like to people watch stand outside the walkway from Happy A Go Go, right there is a empty Beer Bar for rent at that location is a number of ladies of the night freelancers. Stand a bit back and watch the Indian and Arabs walk by stopping to talk to them. Look at the style of dress to even the hair style etc. Watch how they interact with the girls and when they walk away watch for the girls facial expression and body language. After a while unless you are real slow you will figure out what is the problem and these problem spread fast right or wrong to the Thais who are in the business. In general, Thai rumor that Indians are cheap and arrogant towards women and this is even more so with Arabs. The word I hear a lot from Thais is they come across as if they were dogs! I wouldn't be surprise since these country seem to view and treat women as second class like property?

On number of occasion with time on my hand I take a guess whether the generalization and profile I development whether they are going to get turn back and majority of the time I'm right. I believe clothing has more to do with it than we care to believe? I've seen Indians in Go Go's and one's not being stopped outside usually dress more western with logo clothes and hat with Nike etc. I firmly believe if a young Indian was to be wearing a Nike High top, pants falling down with his boxer showing and a Nike cap turn to the side have a better chance getting in than a nice clean cut Indian with a expensive silk shirt and slack.

I firmly believe if a Indian nicely dress and smelling got stop pull out a 100 baht and hand it to the door guy you would get in that is surely better than spending 6 thousand baht. I rather once they get in spend it on drinks for a few girls or even some ping pongs. Surely management is going to remember next time that is just my opinion instead of bribing someone to be with you. It might not seem different like overpaying but it is to me at least. To me it is about patients these days that is the name of the game. So people don't like you who cares if I was making a 100 grand a year.

I want to give some back round about myself. I have been a member at ISG for many years. 95% of my reports were about San Jose, San Jose got expensive. Same girls every trip. Only thing holding back from Pattaya was the flight. Now as sick is this is to say. I look forward to it.

I am going to stay at some different type hotels this trip. Sugar sugar go go for 2 nights, a few nights at a sports bar in metro LK. And a few others in metro. Thinking it will be great location and a different type trip.

I will try to report my day to day experiences, hope there are some of you that will be interested in them and will share some feedback.

I have had some luck with thaifriendy on my last trip. Fun nasty girls. I even scored a freebie out of a little bar on Soi I. I put 1000 b under her phone in my hotel room. She either didn't see it or didn't want it. Hot young girl drunk off her ass. Zero tits but 19 and cute.

I also love the Philippines as I am returning in April. Nothing compares to going to high society and having 20 girls to every guy. And I am one of maybe 3 Americans in the place. Amazing.

Hope this flight goes well. I am in JFK now waiting for my 10 am flight.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1986805]Seriously, is this April Fool's week or something? You actually think hookers care about you presenting yourself? If I was in your shoes that would be the least of my worries. All you need to do is walk up to the woman you want and speak 3 words. I guarantee she will be right behind you and probably with a friend in tow. The three words? Six-Thousand Baht.[/QUOTE]Yes, money is the name of the game. However Thai also have the concept of "sanuk", i.e. the work has to be fun. So if for all the right or wrong reasons she'll think it will be a bore, she might well wait for the next opportunity. We say that there are many fish in the sea but that goes for the girls as well: there will always be a next punter around the corner.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1987033]They been told not to allow these type of guys if they dress and look a certain way that would indicate they are Indian. How many of you actually know who you are sitting with in places that they are Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc, unless you know the language. They have been told to look for certain things like the clothing, the accent, even how they wear their hair. That being said it is really hit and miss with some customers. [/QUOTE]I have been sitting in a bar and the Thai manager said something about the Singaporean Chinese guys walking past. I asked how could she tell they were from Singapore. She said with her experience and they way they dressed, it was really obvious. So yes, experts can pick the Asian nationality very skilfully.

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In general, Thai rumor that Indians are cheap and arrogant towards women and this is even more so with Arabs. The word I hear a lot from Thais is they come across as if they were dogs! I wouldn't be surprise since these country seem to view and treat women as second class like property?
[/QUOTE]I have been occasionally a little disturbed by groups of Indians partying just a little too arrogantly like they owned the place just a little too close to me in Billboard bar, where I felt uncomfortable in case a drunk one was going to crash into me and the girl on my lap. Would be nice if they sat down like everyone else and stopped moving around with drinks so much so close to me. I guess I am used to guys being still or having a bit of a space from guys jumping around hugging each other, high fiving etc. Equally I get slightly annoyed of with arrogant loud drunk Farangs that won't sit down or seem to be stumbling around, or are too fidgety too close by seemingly too interested in the girl sitting on my lap and making her feel uncomfortable. I don't usually see this from Japanese or Korean guys. The customers should be cool laid back, or if wanting to dance around and have fun, make sure there is space and it's not disturbing anyone else too close, and not blocking the view of the stage, not in a crowded area.

Indians are obviously very welcome in Billboard bar (Bangkok) and form a significant portion of the customers. I guess there must be Pattaya bars similar with plenty of Indians.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1986922]Look there are some racially prejudiced girls, that steer clear of Indians and Arabs, maybe with valid reasons, maybe not. Your light skin is going to help, I think, and if you are free of bad body odours, this is also a big plus.

My suggestions to you would be, make sure you don't dress like an Indian or Arab, dress up a little better than most Farangs, do not smell like an Arab (clean armpits etc. Very frequently and thoroughly and use deodorant), and try not to even have very typical face hair look. Don't wear shorts exposing your very hairy legs, and also do not expose hairy armpits. Do not spend stingy like Indians and Farangs that sit on one water for hours in a bar.

Sometimes I see Indians in groups and they all seem to look like clones of each other for facial hair, haircuts, clothing, etc. The more different you can look, the better.

Also polite behavior and accent when speaking may help your case, I can't be expert, being a Farang, but plenty of Thai girls are okay With Indians that tick the right boxes. Yes I know you are not Indian.

Yeh, I think Mr. Ent is making a bad joke, for a serious subject.[/QUOTE]I only dress in western style, even at work and back in my hometown. All my clothes are casual yet high-end brands, and all my underwear are from CK or higher brands. I also get compliments from ladies "nice shirts. Etc", and when I take lady back to my room they like to wear my clothes and they compliment the fabrics and the smell of them. I don't like smoking, or eating Indian and Thai food as I think they are smelly and cause body odors. In terms of hair, I'm always clean-shaven face, and I have light-medium body hair with no hair in the upper-body parts.

At Mr. Ent.

Just yesterday I offered lady from GoGo bar who was sending me smiles while dancing 6000 baht + 1500 bar fine, and she turned it down. Even the waitress working there was surprised from her response. Which indicate it is not usual of her to turn such an offer down. ? (I'd say she was "7.75" face and body combined). She is from Sexy Airline GoGo bar. If she was in Bahrain I'd easily get her for 6500 to 7500 baht total.

I also have to pay 200 baht (including drink) to enter most GoGo bars, while seeing Westerners sticking their heads inside the curtain to see whether they like it or not, and leave or enter without having to pay fees. I had this one GoGo bar asked me for 2,000 baht fee to get in!!

Anyway, I ended up taking another one "7.5 lookwise" for 5000 + 1650 bar fine and lady drink. We agreed on 2 rounds and she left the next day at 11 am. She was too shy from kissing and I wished I brought it up from the beginning! (Now don't think my mouth smell! I've almost perfect white teeth with zero odor).

It feels nasty when fugly women (specially Japanese women) look at me with frown face thinking I'm looking at them, while I'm actually looking passed them as I'm walking toward that direction. Maybe that's why some people would think "Indian, Arab" look arrogant? Because in response to her reaction, I could make sad-face and be like "sorry I did not mean to look at your 'beautiful face!' because you are "Saint" too good to me, or act arrogant and be like "I really don't give a fuck about you, move on".

Arab / Indian could also be seen as arrogant because they used to get approached by better good looking Thai ladies in other countries such as the ones in M. E.

I don't want to make it long, all in all, this is my first visit to Pattaya of 5 days total, I enjoyed staying in amazing hotel and I enjoyed the activities in the area. But I don't think I will ever come here again looking for lady to spend time with. I have a lot better chances fucking the very good-looking Thai ladies in M. E. With less cost, hassle, disappointment, and uncertainty. Thai ladies who working in Arab country are expecting to be seeing Arab men (not Japanese / Chinese), they also speak better English, and they always act nice and polite since they are away from their country 'vulnerable'.

P. S. I recommend Sensation GoGo bar as they have many ladies and several of them are good looking. The ladies and the staff were nice, and they did not ask me for entrance fee.

Basically, the large number of Indian in general we are talking about the one's that have given all Indians a bad name are very obvious to spot. As noted long and many times you aren't going to find them on this board. The one's on this board are the one's paying for their countrymen bad behavior. I have nothing against overpaying but I read many times here Indian that are going beyond overpaying to be noticed and accepted. I feel if they dress a bit more western and carry a short conversation with them even be. S. And especially tip them a 100, I really think that is what it will take majority of the times. I've on two occasion help a Indian in front of me into Bacarra and Happy because it was obvious and it seem the right thing to do. Indians the one's we are basically talking about that get booted I give slack too because they just haven't been educated in terms of how to act in other people country. The Arabs on the others hand especially the young one's don't seem to give a rat ass for anyone except themselves and seem in general from my experience are some of the most self center arrogant people I have met here in Pattaya.

Not to leave others out because there are bad apple's in every race. The Aussies are pretty rowdy bunch too, they seem to be all juice up on something. Once at Bacarra, two Aussie were sitting next to me next thing I know the juice up guy gets up knocks my drink over and start to give his buddy a head knot one of those sleeper holds you see them give in the MMA.

At Bacarra, never ceased to amaze me the Koreans, just last week it was crowded like always, I got a seat in a booth on the end, I guess the guy didn't like I wasn't in his group. So slowly he started to inch his back into my left shoulder and started to bounce around with the music. I never moved or said a word acted as if I didn't noticed, too old to give anyone the time of day any longer. Maybe he was hoping I get upset or moved but just there to see tits and ass. Finally after a half hour he gets up with him buddy to move to another area, before he leaves he gives me the eye and I just smile. That was enough to give him my point of view. I also seen more than want to count Koreans with their flipflops smoking and picking their toes.

There are all kinds in Pattaya, on both side of the fence don't let it get to you. Stay your course deviate and be reflexible you will have a good time!

[QUOTE=Vivek;1986363]Hi friends,

I am 41/ m / Single / Indian who will be traveling in Pattaya in January End 2017 for about 7 days. Second visit. First visit was in March 2016. I am looking for a sweet, friendly and safe girl (age 20 to 30) who will stay with me for about 72 hours continuously like a wife. I will be staying in a good 3 star hotel with a swimming pool. Where can I find such a girl? My budget around 4500 Baht for 72 hours total or 1500 baht for 24 hours.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Vivek.[/QUOTE]That works out to almost 63 THB per hour. I'm quite sure that hundreds, if not thousands of beautiful, personable, poised, horny Thai ladies will beat a path to the door of your luxurious 3 star hotel to meet you and apply for this once in a lifetime opportunity.

I'm just a bit apprehensive that you'll ruin the market for the rest of us low roller guys when the women meet a high roller like you. Please rethink flashing around all that cash and spoiling all those women.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1986986]Sure everyone has their price, I guess. However some people just say no without offering a price. Do you really want to take a girl that is really feeling that she is going to tolerate something she hates, just to get an extra few thousand Baht, but probably have a bad attitude to the whole thing?

Personally I am looking for fun girls. Will I keep offering more money to a girl that does not want to go? Nope. It would be damn stupid, I think.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. I also think it would be damn stupid to give a chick 6000 baht. But the original poster seemed to just want to be with who he wanted to be with damning to hell any fun factor or chemistry that might be involved. Offering 6000 baht he can definitely be with who he wants to be with is my only point.

1. A couple of nights ago, I met this really cute chick at Pier Disco, early in the am!! She was dressed in a black outfit, clutching 2 long stem roses in her hand, and had a shy but cute smile on her face.

Well, I chat with her and she is 19, and was ready to go with me. 2000 LT. Got to my place and after her shower I discover that her dress and way it was styled hid all her best assets. Her tits were absolutely perfect and her ass, very young and tight for a Thai. Got to be the best I have had the good fortune to meet in a very long, long time in Asia. Pretty face but not super pretty (A 7 at least but not a solid 8). Plus if we're, she'd not have been around at that hour, IMO ( plus her outfit did her zero justice, thankfully for me) .She was great and very open, except she did not want to DFK much! Bummer for me. And her English was practically zero. So, I can't say it was a total GFE experience and since my friend from my last visit is coming down from Isaan in 48-72 hours, I have to pause for now.

2. Talked to girl in halter one piece walking down on Soi 13 as I was returning from my oil massage. She said she does not work and only goes to Insomnia. Great ass totally, but barely 5 ft tall. Which is what I noticed from the rear view as I was walking. A bit older. Maybe 28. Got her number and as we were walking down I asked her if she wanted to come to my place and she asks ST and I say yes. 1,000. But she was a star fish! I sent her packing quick with her 1,000. So, again no repeat.

3. Went to Soi Buakhao again and tried out the Dream Teen massage, purely out of curiosity. A 20 year old from Isaan, who was very chatty and fun. But pretty non existent massage skills. 400 baht for the hour for the supposed oil and ball massage, with additional options ranging from 500-1500 baht additional for the HJ. To full service. I did not go for any of the options, as I discovered she too likes to party in Insomnia. Exchanged numbers in the room and she might come down to the club tonight with another friend of hers who works at the same place. If she does come, I said I'd buy drinks and she agreed to leave with me LT.

After that poor massage skills, needed to rectify that and popped back into my regular massage place ( Paanan) near Areca Lodge and got a really high quality 2 hr oil massage, with foot and head combo for 500, plus 150 tip. So, that saved the day. Heading to Insomnia and maybe Lucifers tonight. ( oh and I got turned down by a 22-24 year old at 6 am the other night at Insomnia, ONLY because I failed her only question LOL. And that was : Why do you wanna go with me ? My answer : I don't know ! ( well it was late and I'd had a lot to drink ). She then said maybe when you know, I will go ! Haha. Now, I doubt that has happened to too many guys at about 550 am at Insomnia !!!

4. Walked down BR last night about 730 pm and did not see any great gals. Only 3, I would consider 6 or 7 and none above. , but decided to pass, as I prefer to build somewhat of a rapport at a club before striking a deal.

I am happy that I came back to Pattaya, disturbed me a little rise in prices, Thailand slowly becomes not attractive Country if we talking about the prices.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1987130]I agree 100%. I also think it would be damn stupid to give a chick 6000 baht. But the original poster seemed to just want to be with who he wanted to be with damning to hell any fun factor or chemistry that might be involved. Offering 6000 baht he can definitely be with who he wants to be with is my only point.[/QUOTE]That's why I said "I could not get the chance to present myself" in the first place, to see whether there is mutual likes could evolved afterward. I would never take lady if I feel she is the tiniest-slightest forced to see me because of the need of money or by her "mamasang". Many of the Thai ladies I see back in M. E. would lower their fees to half the usual and sometimes free after repeated visits. I also hear the phrases "I don't have BF, I feel lonely today" with most of them trying to get the second time. Heck, I sometimes have two Thai "girlfriends" (7.5 at least) who I fuck for free most of the time, and if they ask why I tell them this is "open-relationship" since you are fucking other men don't ask me to be loyal to you myself.

Also, most Thai WGs in M. E. countries, beside the shy ones, would approach me themselves and try to impress me with their looks, English, etc. Which does not happened here. I really miss being liked and wanted by the hot ladies which is confident boost and sometimes it makes the day without ending with any of them in bed. And unlike here, I've almost never had Thai lady less than 7 try to approach me, just because they realize the fact that I would not bother fucking them even if offered free of charge.

These could be few of the reasons why would one thinks Arab / Indian could be seen as arrogant here in Pattaya toward Thai ladies.

I would advice the fellow Indian / Arab not to come to Thailand expecting to be treated by equally by Thai ladies the same way you have back in hometown. Thai ladies here are ignorant about you, and they only worship the Japanese "their highest class", and then Farangs. While you Indian / Arab would come last to none.

As a M. E. I would rather go to Dubai or Bahrain to fuck Thai ladies than coming here. Because back there I would be treated equally as the Japanese people treated here, if not even better due to their 'vulnerability of living abroad'.