Jakarta

[QUOTE=Joes22;3034293]Have you been to T1? It's strange, but little is said about T1. It's not bad, though, and a bit quieter than 2 and 3. I've been there a few times. The rooms are very nice, and the women were nice too. The mamasan usually ignore you and only come when you want them to. Which is a bit strange and might keep foreigners away. A local pays 400, a foreigner 600.[/QUOTE]That double pricing is a good reason to stay away from that place as a foreigner.

What justifies the double pricing when other places apply the same price for everyone?

If foreigners keep spending money in such places, soon enough every other places will start charging double the price locals are paying.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3034541]That double pricing is a good reason to stay away from that place as a foreigner.

What justifies the double pricing when other places apply the same price for everyone?

If foreigners keep spending money in such places, soon enough every other places will start charging double the price locals are paying.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's not pretty, but it's the game. Many people simply forget that the prices are so low because these places aren't designed for us and are only there to entertain the locals. I felt very comfortable in T1. The atmosphere was very relaxed, and the visitor clientele was better too. If you're there for two weeks, you simply need other places for a change. I've been to T1, T2, and T3, in the Travel, the Emporium, Club 1001, and in Kota India. I'd actually like to try King Kross. Has anyone been there or knows of other similar places? I assume there are some hidden gems.

[QUOTE=JamesTpy;3034539]Hey people,

From what I see the quantity and quality in Jakarta is extremely high and undiscovered. Also the prices seem very reasonable. Curious how people consider Jakarta vs Pattaya for example?[/QUOTE]Don't compare the 2, Pattaya is still the open heaven where everyone is welcome, prices are similar (for indies, streetwalkers etc).

In Indonesia these activities are technically illegal, the population is largely Islamic hence conservative about such things with foreigners, government cracks down and closes any place that makes too much noise, there were some very well known places closed recently (not talking about Royale but in recent events that too). Cops are corrupt and if they come across you doing schenanigans openly you could be in for trouble. So one needs to tread carefully over here, just last time when I was going to Classic from my hotel, the cab driver was asking me all sorts of questions, I deflected of course but he knew where I came from and where I went, these kind of things worry me about the fate of the good places that are on map currently. A glaring example of this is Jakarta vs. Bali (where you would not find such action with as much ease, there are options but most will limit you to HJ as an ending and that is it).

Moreover the only reason I consider this location more than once is the ease of explanation for going here compared to say Thailand (name is enough to raise anyone's eyebrows and no matter what you say to people who ask, you still get a stamp on the passport which you cannot refute). If you have no such things holding you back, Thailand should still be your go to destination.

All this talk about Malio I went to check it out for myself. I arrived around 6:30 pm. When you get out of your grab / taxi and walk up the steps off the Main Street. Go through a medal detector through the front doors and check in to get your bracelet at the desk to the left. Taking the advice of fellow board members I asked to be shown the lounge. Took the elevators off to the right up to the 2nd floor where someone then took me to the lounge.

I was seated on the 2nd level with the imports. Russians, Chinese, Uzbek's, Ukrainian etc. Some were dressed to kill like they were going to a photo shoot while others were in sweatpants sitting with customers. I would say these Eastern Europeans aren't the quality you would find in Germany FKK but I can see the appeal to an Asian clientele that have never been to Europe how these girls could be exotic to them. They def had the attitude and unapproachable vibe to them, a bit rough around the edges.

The vibe overall is very chill. There were 2 mamas dealing with imports and 3 or 4 dealing with locals. The local chubby aggressive mama showed me a card with 2 tiers of local pricing gold 1. 2 mil and platinum 1. 8 mil. I told her to chill. Just bring all the girls available and I'll see who I like. So she brought the gold tier first. All the girls were nice, I didn't see anything that I had to have right away but I did note the number of 2 ladies who stood out from the pack. Pro tip, all the girls wear numbers so get your phone or a pen to keep track of the numbers of who you like. Makes the selection so much easier after you have seen what's available.

Mama then brought the Platinum locals. It was hard to say I saw much of a difference, probably taller, maybe a little fitter if I was really searching for something but mostly can't really tell why one makes the higher category vs the others. I took note of 2 numbers from this set as well. I told mama I'll decide later and just bring my beer. She didn't look too happy about my decision to wait. I see a lot of other Bro's in the lounge just chillin so I was in no rush. After getting a decent feel for the place I decided to go with a girl from the Gold tier. So I called over mama and gave her the number of the one I wanted. Now she had a big smile, haha! My girl comes over very sweet, waitress was right behind her, asking, drink for lady, I said sure. My girl ordered a juice I think it was like 50 k, not bad. My beer was around 110 k. My girl told me the live band will play around 8 pm but it's only 7 ish, so I said let's go to room.

I think we took an elevator and then walked through a few maze like corridors and then arrived at the room. Which is nice and big. I would say a step down from Emporium but not by much, still decent. Great lighting, space, some poles coming down from the ceiling if you want your girl to do some gymnastics! The only thing missing is mirrors, they need more mirrors, I think there was only 1 or 2 small ones. The actual deed was nice, standard procedure, good chemistry, nice BBBJ, a decent GFE type experience. A solid round. I guess we were in there for about an hour but no one knocked or called, I just started putting my clothes on. I tipped 300 k which my girl seemed very happy about.

I asked her to show me where the club was so I can check it out. She sent me down this long hallway, and then I took a left and went down another long hallway and then down some stairs but I couldn't find it. I also couldn't find any humans to point me in the right direction. So I wandered around for a few minutes until I ran into 2 attendants who said I had to go down another floor to the club. Hmm but that would put the club below ground level. I'm really not sure where the hell I went, eventually I ended up at the club. It's very nice, good ambiance, the only problem was it was only me and 2 other customers and only 1 dancer! It was after 8 pm so I thought it would be busier but seems I was too early. I didn't stick around for much longer as I made a point to come back after 10 pm to see the place in full action. Found my way back to the receptionist to pay my tab. As another board member mentioned a lot of numbers on the receipt but the final total was roughly 1. 5 mil which was what I expected + the tip I gave. Cool place, glad I checked it out, I'll be back to check out the club when it's in full swing.

[QUOTE=JamesTpy;3034539]Hey people,

From what I see the quantity and quality in Jakarta is extremely high and undiscovered. Also the prices seem very reasonable. Curious how people consider Jakarta vs Pattaya for example?[/QUOTE]Haven't tried Pattaya. But visiting Jakarta 2 or 3 times a year for quite sometime now. Recent years it sure shows up the signs of the price climbing up (luckily classic travel didn't change much in pricing if not no changes at all). However, the girls those are 7 are not staying with either classic or travel. They seem to move independent and asking min of 3 million now. 2 mill short time is not a surprise this time.

Considering all this, I am also now trying to mix it with Thailand, probably start with Pattaya. The days of <1 mill fun is well and truly gone if you can't do <7's. I am well prepared to consider Thailand as I started enjoying point and shoot more than dating. People going to tinder are paying 3 million it seems. One girl said she got 5 million and my range is no where near that.

Having said that, great city for less than 40's and decent looking. Some tier 2 cities are still good where girls still follow their plan.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3031689]I understand and hear you. One time I was in 1001 colosseum and David recommended to get in touch with his friend papi romi, I did and asked for BBBJ service from the lineup. He was miffed and walked away. You are correct and I get it on BB that girls wants to be discreet, but denying BBBJ is a mongering sin, LOL. I don't think I can select her, that's my first base.[/QUOTE]Super, I know exactly what you are talking about, Romi is the exact opposite of David, the guy has zero customer service skills. He is a real asshole! One week I had gone 3 days in a row. On my 3rd day Romi was my attendant, I couldn't find any girl I wanted to take so I told him I would come back later. He started huffing and puffing asking me why I wasted his time if I wasn't going to take girl. I told him this is my 3rd day in a row and I took girls everyday, I just don't see anyone I like at the moment. I also told him I'm not going to take someone I don't like just so he can get a commission! He then gave me a death stare and scurried away. I still on occasion go to 1001 but that experience still leaves such a bad taste. I try to avoid him like the plague.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3034453]Which inflation are you talking about?

There is no hiking prices in these places. Drinks, shortime, cigarettes are all the same price they used to be a few months ago and nobody push you to consume.

The only price that gone up is the minimum spending in T2. There was no minimum spending there a few months ago and now it is 30 K plus the entrance fee (5 K) if you don't consume or do a ST.[/QUOTE]You are correct that prices have remained:

1 girl at 60 min is 365.

2 girls at 60 min is 500.

What has increased is BO'ing a Classic girl. They now want 2-3 juta for going to your hotel off hours (Booking Outside).

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3034455]Are you sure? Two girls were 90 minutes before.[/QUOTE]Yes. I am positive. I had my second 3-some last night: 500 K / 60 minutes; phone call at 45th minute.

I used Tinder in 2023 during 5-day romp. Hooked up with 3 girls.

Current trip (I am in Jakarta as I type this):

60 messages sent. Romped with 5.

Bad news: lots of catfishes. A seasoned pro like me got duped three frickin' times all because I didn't vchat.

One business model that tricked me:

Meet Girl1 on Tinder. She confirms pics are real. She arrives with big fat ass. Hit it to keep bodycount moving up. Her mother calls. She leaves shortly. I saw the name of the caller on the phone: Mama.

Next day Girl1 sends pic of friend, Girl2. "Hey want to meet my friend?" I said yes.

Girl2 whatsapp's me. I ask for full body pic and height and weight. All looks good. She arrives, another fat ass. But I hit it. Her mother also calls. I saw caller's name: Mama. I thought that was odd.

Next day, stranger whatsapp's me, Girl3. She says she is Girl2's 17-year old sister. A few messages back and forth. I realize I've been tricked by Mama so I block.

Vchat is best tool to implement. When I ask to vchat or just hit the vchat button, the catfish always blocks / disappears / ghosts. A few reply with "my camera no work" or "Tinder error. " Some girls use a whatsapp business account that does not have the vchat button.

So be careful out there even if you think you know what you're doing.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3034574] So one needs to tread carefully over here, just last time when I was going to Classic from my hotel, the cab driver was asking me all sorts of questions, I deflected of course but he knew where I came from and where I went, these kind of things worry me about the fate of the good places that are on map currently. A glaring example of this is Jakarta vs. Bali (where you would not find such action with as much ease, there are options but most will limit you to HJ as an ending and that is it).

Moreover the only reason I consider this location more than once is the ease of explanation for going here compared to say Thailand (name is enough to raise anyone's eyebrows and no matter what you say to people who ask, you still get a stamp on the passport which you cannot refute). If you have no such things holding you back, Thailand should still be your go to destination.[/QUOTE]Do you really think cops or cab drivers need you to tell them what happens in Classic? Trust, me everyone knows. Cabbie was just making conversation.

[QUOTE=JamesTpy;3034539]Hey people,

From what I see the quantity and quality in Jakarta is extremely high and undiscovered. Also the prices seem very reasonable. Curious how people consider Jakarta vs Pattaya for example?[/QUOTE]The prostituition scene in Jakarta is way smaller than in Pattaya, but definitely interesting. If you come for the first time, I suggest you only book a few days. Most people are shocked by the pollution, squalor and lack of walkability of Jakarta, especially in the parts which are interesting for our hobby.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3034616]The prostituition scene in Jakarta is way smaller than in Pattaya, but definitely interesting. If you come for the first time, I suggest you only book a few days. Most people are shocked by the pollution, squalor and lack of walkability of Jakarta, especially in the parts which are interesting for our hobby.[/QUOTE]Agree.

In Jakarta as I write this.

I walked that narrow road that runs parallel to the train tracks near Classic. Squalor:

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/HjNudn8oyge3WRDN8?g_st=ipc[/URL]

Half the time I'm walking in the street bc parked cars occupy the sidewalk. Always checking my 6. Sidewalks are rare here. And you always have to constantly look both ways when crossing the street bc scooter riders often ride in opposite direction.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3034606]Do you really think cops or cab drivers need you to tell them what happens in Classic? Trust, me everyone knows. Cabbie was just making conversation.[/QUOTE]No bro, that is not the point, what I was trying to say was that he knew I was a foreigner and was trying to size me up, I am used to the small chit chat with drivers, but they usually don't try to get too many details and usually starts and ends with a friendly smile. With this one It started with usual stuff like where did you come from and did you come here for work and then followed by how many times you visit this place, how long do you plan to stay etc, chances are that he was just being nosy, but their was an air of arrogance about his tone as if he was trying to narrow me down as a sex tourist.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3034589]Meet Girl1 on Tinder. She confirms pics are real. She arrives with big fat ass. Hit it to keep bodycount moving up. Her mother calls. She leaves shortly. I saw the name of the caller on the phone: [b]Mama[/b].

Girl2 whatsapp's me. I ask for full body pic and height and weight. All looks good. She arrives, another fat ass. But I hit it. Her mother also calls. I saw caller's name: [b]Mama[/b]. I thought that was odd.[/QUOTE]It will all make sense when you realize that "mama" is not some maternal relation, but rather a handler "mamasan". When mama or papa decieves, consider to cancel right in front of thier face to send the right message, otherwise the bad behavior will continue. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=MaximusV;3034580]All this talk about Malio I went to check it out for myself. I arrived around 6:30 pm. When you get out of your grab / taxi and walk up the steps off the Main Street. Go through a medal detector through the front doors and check in to get your bracelet at the desk to the left. Taking the advice of fellow board members I asked to be shown the lounge. Took the elevators off to the right up to the 2nd floor where someone then took me to the lounge.

I was seated on the 2nd level with the imports. Russians, Chinese, Uzbek's, Ukrainian etc. Some were dressed to kill like they were going to a photo shoot while others were in sweatpants sitting with customers. I would say these Eastern Europeans aren't the quality you would find in Germany FKK but I can see the appeal to an Asian clientele that have never been to Europe how these girls could be exotic to them. They def had the attitude and unapproachable vibe to them, a bit rough around the edges.
[/QUOTE]Few quick replies:

1. The ones that you were quoted 1. 8 or slightly above that are Viet and Chinese chicks, hence their pricing is higher or at least that was what was told to me the first time I asked.

2. Malio Strip club is much bigger than what you are describing and it is always filled with patrons (not to the brim, but not scanty either), it has a stage along with poles and all (if I remember correctly), there are rooms right above it which you can see from the club, kind of like a second floor within the club.

3. This is your personal choice but I usually don't tip in a place where the price point is already high, tip is alright (but not too much) for low end places where the service provider doesn't get much, I didn't pay the Russian girl I went with anything in form of tips and she didn't ask for it, but with both parted with a happy kiss while exiting. I personally think this maintains a balance to the order of things and keeps the girls from being spoilt.

Guys, what's the matter with you guys? Where did the idea come from to invite a girl I can fuck for 365,000 in Classic to my hotel for 2 million?

What's the point here?

I pay for Tinder every time I'm in Jakarta, but once I'm there, I quickly realize that I can meet much better and more beautiful women without much effort at Eporium and the other clubs.