Jakarta

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3034589]I used Tinder in 2023 during 5-day romp. Hooked up with 3 girls.

Current trip (I am in Jakarta as I type this):

60 messages sent. Romped with 5.

Bad news: lots of catfishes. A seasoned pro like me got duped three frickin' times all because I didn't vchat.

One business model that tricked me:

Meet Girl1 on Tinder. She confirms pics are real. She arrives with big fat ass. Hit it to keep bodycount moving up. Her mother calls. She leaves shortly. I saw the name of the caller on the phone: Mama.

Next day Girl1 sends pic of friend, Girl2. "Hey want to meet my friend?" I said yes..[/QUOTE]Even seasoned mongers still get scammed every now and then. I had a very similar thing happen to me last week. I was feeling a bit lazy and didn't want to leave my hotel so decided to try in house massage service with all inclusive full service component. I was chatting with a few and decided to go with one I thought was the best. Negotiated for 2 hours massage plus full service 1 Mil. I had her send multiple pictures she sent at least 5. I asked her are you sure this is you in the pictures. She assured me that she was in fact the girl in the pictures. I told her if anyone else shows up they are not getting paid. She said ok.

This is where the tricky comes into play. We met in the lobby, she had loose fitting clothes on so I couldn't get a gauge of overall body profile vs what I saw in the pictures, what I did notice was she was much shorter than what the pictures made her seem. Next she had on a mask so really could only see her eyes, her hair seemed the same I guess. My spidey senses felt something was off but I said let's see, I was thinking she wouldn't just lie to me after all my questioning and verification. So once in the room, she asked for the money even before taking off the mask. I said the money is right there pointing to dresser, then I said take off the mask. So when she takes off the mask, there is a little resemblance to the pictures but I realize I have just been caught up in a bait and switch. I tell her straight out that is not you in the pictures, why did you lie. She assures me it is her and that she just used an app to make herself more beautiful. I busted out laughing, anyone not blind would be able to tell that is not her. I was to tired to go through with this whole charade again finding another girl and so on, so I told her to start the massage.

The massage was absolutely terrible, it was so bad I told her to just stop and start sucking me off. This was even worse than the massage, she was rough, used so much teeth I told her to calm the fuck down. Slow and steady. She went slow for maybe a minute or 2 before going back to teeth and roughness. I can't imagine a worse blow job. At this point there was no way I was going to bang this girl, I was disgusted. I told her to stop everything and just get out, leave immediately! I did a reverse image search and found those pictures she used have been used for advertising massage services in Dubai, London and Qatar! When ordering online do not trust any picture, ever. Video call is the only way you can know for certain, and even then with these new AI filters who knows.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3034651]Few quick replies:

1. The ones that you were quoted 1. 8 or slightly above that are Viet and Chinese chicks, hence their pricing is higher or at least that was what was told to me the first time I asked.

2. Malio Strip club is much bigger than what you are describing and it is always filled with patrons (not to the brim, but not scanty either), it has a stage along with poles and all (if I remember correctly), there are rooms right above it which you can see from the club, kind of like a second floor within the club..[/QUOTE]Hmm, maybe you read the report wrong. I never mentioned the size of the club, just that it was very nice with a good ambiance. I do agree that it is a very big space, I just happened to see it empty. I will be back soon to check it out when it's in full swing with dancers and clients.

This trip is all about trying new places, so I ventured back to a place I had sworn off, good ole' classic. This time I wanted to try a floor I had never been, 1st floor Classic club, you enter the lobby and it's the first door on the right. Most of the reports say skip it based on bad experiences, bill padding, extra drinks you didn't order etc. With all of the bad press I wasn't expecting much but what I found was surprising!

First the mama's here are as laid back as can be, they don't rush you as soon as you walk through the door like in terminal 2. They really don't pay you much attention at all. I was able to sit for at least 20 minutes without anyone harassing me. Not even a waitress came by to ask what I wanted to drink. The girls are sitting stadium seating to the far right of the entrance. You get a live DJ and then later in the evening they switched to live band on the opposite side of the club. There were some dancers on stage that definitely needed more dance and choreographed lessons but still something to look at.

I would say the quality is a step up from T2 and T5, a handful of these girls could work at Emporium for sure. All the girls are wearing the same outfit, that night the dress code was black evening dress and heels. When you see a girl you like and want to speak to her you go grab a mama and tell her which one you like and she will laser her to you. I did see some Chinese Bros tell mama what type of girl they were looking for and mama lasered about 10 girls that fit the description and they all came down to present themselves to the Bro's. We are about 30 minutes in and still no one has asked me if I want a drink or if I want a girl. So I did find a girl that stood out from the rest. I went to mama and told her which one I wanted. The girl came down, face was very nice, body to match. So we sat on the sofa and had a quick chat. Just looking at her up close I knew this was the one, when she started rubbing my leg, I felt that sensation that it was time to go to the room. She signaled to mama and we walked to the cashier.

There seems to be some misinformation about pricing here. I payed close attention when at the cashier, there was 1 Indonesian and 2 Chinese Bros in front of me, everyone paid the same price 610 k. 400 k goes to the house 10 k goes to mama and 200 k goes to the girl. Everyone paid the same. That is the pricing. Well worth it in my opinion for higher quality girls, relaxed atmosphere, nobody hounding you to buy drinks or hurry up and choose a girl. As far as bill padding or adding on drinks that I never authorized, never happened because no waitress ever came to take my drink order.

Heading to the room, you see that they have renovated the space to look like a medieval fortress, castle vibe, the rooms are definitely better than T2 and T5, sadly I did see a roach. Classic really has got to find a new exterminator because the current company is doing a terrible job. Anyway, had great service by this lovely young lady. You sometimes can tell just by the way she washes you in the shower what type of session this will be. Soft, gentle caressing, some kissing, rubbing etc. On to the bed, licking everywhere, great BBBJ with eye contact, the works. Multiple positions and the deed was done. Wonderful girl, she asked where I was staying, I told her where and asked if she wanted to come over. She gave contact info and we plan to meet this weekend. Good girl, good session. Tip 300 k.

For my first visit to the club, I would have to say I really like it. Maybe I got lucky and this is not always the case, but the environment, vibe and overall quality seems to be better than any other floor. Again this is just my personal opinion after one visit. Will visit again to see if the experience is the same.

[QUOTE=Joes22;3034669]Guys, what's the matter with you guys? Where did the idea come from to invite a girl I can fuck for 365,000 in Classic to my hotel for 2 million?

What's the point here?

I pay for Tinder every time I'm in Jakarta, but once I'm there, I quickly realize that I can meet much better and more beautiful women without much effort at Eporium and the other clubs.[/QUOTE]It is about fucking+the company for a longer time where number of shots don't matter, you may want to have dinner / a cozy time with them et all, this happens when mongering matures from the initial sex only for money to something more.

[QUOTE=Joes22;3034669]Guys, what's the matter with you guys? Where did the idea come from to invite a girl I can fuck for 365,000 in Classic to my hotel for 2 million?

What's the point here?

I pay for Tinder every time I'm in Jakarta, but once I'm there, I quickly realize that I can meet much better and more beautiful women without much effort at Eporium and the other clubs.[/QUOTE]I had a Classic girl come to my hotel for 1 million for short time. My hotel was very close to Classic so that might have helped. She took ages to come though, was about one and a half hour late, so it was not something I was keen to repeat.

Another Classic girl had promised to come to my hotel for 1 million short time, but she never did. She might have come before work owing to the proximity. On the appointed day she wasn't replying to my Whatsapp messages and I found her working as usual at 3 pm at Classic. She hadn't told me she didn't want to meet me at my hotel. Neither had she told me she was working on that day as usual. She had just played dead.

For some reasons Classic girls are not keen on coming to hotels even for 3 times the Classic rates (and even if the hotel is 800 meters away from Classic).

[QUOTE=XXL;3034796]I had a Classic girl come to my hotel for 1 million for short time. My hotel was very close to Classic so that might have helped. She took ages to come though, was about one and a half hour late, so it was not something I was keen to repeat.

Another Classic girl had promised to come to my hotel for 1 million short time, but she never did. She might have come before work owing to the proximity. On the appointed day she wasn't replying to my Whatsapp messages and I found her working as usual at 3 pm at Classic. She hadn't told me she didn't want to meet me at my hotel. Neither had she told me she was working on that day as usual. She had just played dead.

For some reasons Classic girls are not keen on coming to hotels even for 3 times the Classic rates (and even if the hotel is 800 meters away from Classic).[/QUOTE]Never tried to invite a Classic girl myself (was slightly tempted for a few seconds, but only with one or two girls, and for overnight, but didn't bother asking in the end), but makes no sense to me. And it's a lot more than three times the Classic rate for the girl, considering they get around 100 k (110k?) per session, even though we pay almost 370k.

Did bang a girl from Classic for 400k (or 300k, I don't remember anymore) at my hotel via michat, but that was just a girl who told me later that she was also working at Classic, when already in my room. She tried to pimp one or two of her friends too, who I am guessing were also working at Classic as they could not come until 01 or 02 am, no doubt after being banged by half a dozen other guys already.

[QUOTE=XXL;3034796]

For some reasons Classic girls are not keen on coming to hotels even for 3 times the Classic rates (and even if the hotel is 800 meters away from Classic).[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, this is my experience too. I think this happens for the following reasons:

1. The girls are very tired. Including dressing up they spend 14 hours at the club and therefore have little free time.

2. Most girls have contracts which forbid them to visit clients in their spare time. If caught they have to pay a very high fine.

3. Many girls sleep in dorms supplied by the company and the mammies have a tight control over their social life.

For me, this is actually one of the biggest disadvantages of Jakarta compared to Pattaya. I find it very difficult to find decent company for an early afternoon meeting.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3034822]Unfortunately, this is my experience too. I think this happens for the following reasons:

1. The girls are very tired. Including dressing up they spend 14 hours at the club and therefore have little free time.

2. Most girls have contracts which forbid them to visit clients in their spare time. If caught they have to pay a very high fine.

3. Many girls sleep in dorms supplied by the company and the mammies have a tight control over their social life.

For me, this is actually one of the biggest disadvantages of Jakarta compared to Pattaya. I find it very difficult to find decent company for an early afternoon meeting.[/QUOTE]1. I offered two Classic girls to come to my hotel and possibly spend the afternoon with me. Both were interested: "give whatsapp!" But as soon as the phone rang they switched back to transaction mode.

2. I am unsure about contract terms but they can't quit after the first month. I holiday-GF-ed a Classic girl in the last 48 hours. No discussion of a fine.

3. True. My HGF shares a room with one girl. Her cost is 1 juta a month paid to Classic. There's an "auntie" that cooks meals, which are charged to the girl. Classic advertises on Tik Tok. That's how my HGF learned of Classic.

Lastly, as I mentioned in a previous post, I sessioned with a Classic girl for one hour. After the session I asked her and mommy if I could take her to Luminor for the night. It was 11 pm at the time. Both said yes. I paid 365 K x 6 hours. Mama would pick her up at 8 am. Girl recd 600 K.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3034822]Unfortunately, this is my experience too. I think this happens for the following reasons:

1. The girls are very tired. Including dressing up they spend 14 hours at the club and therefore have little free time.

2. Most girls have contracts which forbid them to visit clients in their spare time. If caught they have to pay a very high fine.

3. Many girls sleep in dorms supplied by the company and the mammies have a tight control over their social life.

For me, this is actually one of the biggest disadvantages of Jakarta compared to Pattaya. I find it very difficult to find decent company for an early afternoon meeting.[/QUOTE]I've taken classic girls out for casual dates like lunch at Grand Indo. This was under the radar without payment for barfines or the MMS knowing. Every single time, about 90 to 120 minutes into hanging out at the mall, the girl gets a Whatsapp message that says she's needed right now to go to work. Report in immediately. I walk the girl to the bluebird area and pay her cab fee with a little spending money in ber hand. This probably would be evidence of #3 above. Yes the plan for both her and me was to fool around a bit at the hotel, so she could pocket an ST tip without mms knowing. But never happened as of yet and I've been at this for a bit now.

[QUOTE=MaximusV;3034738]Even seasoned mongers still get scammed every now and then. I had a very similar thing happen to me last week. I was feeling a bit lazy and didn't want to leave my hotel so decided to try in house massage service with all inclusive full service component. I was chatting with a few and decided to go with one I thought was the best. Negotiated for 2 hours massage plus full service 1 Mil. I had her send multiple pictures she sent at least 5. I asked her are you sure this is you in the pictures. She assured me that she was in fact the girl in the pictures. I told her if anyone else shows up they are not getting paid. She said ok.

This is where the tricky comes into play. We met in the lobby, she had loose fitting clothes on so I couldn't get a gauge of overall body profile vs what I saw in the pictures, what I did notice was she was much shorter than what the pictures made her seem. Next she had on a mask so really could only see her eyes, her hair seemed the same I guess. My spidey senses felt something was off but I said let's see, I was thinking she wouldn't just lie to me after all my questioning and verification. So once in the room, she asked for the money even before taking off the mask. I said the money is right there pointing to dresser, then I said take off the mask. So when she takes off the mask, there is a little resemblance to the pictures but I realize I have just been caught up in a bait and switch. I tell her straight out that is not you in the pictures, why did you lie. She assures me it is her and that she just used an app to make herself more beautiful. I busted out laughing, anyone not blind would be able to tell that is not her. I was to tired to go through with this whole charade again finding another girl and so on, so I told her to start the massage.

The massage was absolutely terrible, it was so bad I told her to just stop and start sucking me off. This was even worse than the massage, she was rough, used so much teeth I told her to calm the fuck down. Slow and steady. She went slow for maybe a minute or 2 before going back to teeth and roughness. I can't imagine a worse blow job. At this point there was no way I was going to bang this girl, I was disgusted. I told her to stop everything and just get out, leave immediately! I did a reverse image search and found those pictures she used have been used for advertising massage services in Dubai, London and Qatar! When ordering online do not trust any picture, ever. Video call is the only way you can know for certain, and even then with these new AI filters who knows.[/QUOTE]Heads up, I video called a girl 18 year old mother of a 3 year old kid, go figure. She looked smoking hot all three times we video called. She shows up and she's at least 2 points lower than the smoke show from the vids. At that point, I realized that there's AI filter for live video stream also.

She was absolutely great in bed, but the face and body was just not repeatable in person. Also she hounded me for money days on end after the meet. I caved in a few times when she claimed to need money to buy food and milk for her baby, but I couldn't help her raise her kid to 18.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;3034855]Heads up, I video called a girl 18 year old mother of a 3 year old kid, go figure. She looked smoking hot all three times we video called. She shows up and she's at least 2 points lower than the smoke show from the vids. At that point, I realized that there's AI filter for live video stream also.

She was absolutely great in bed, but the face and body was just not repeatable in person. Also she hounded me for money days on end after the meet. I caved in a few times when she claimed to need money to buy food and milk for her baby, but I couldn't help her raise her kid to 18.[/QUOTE]Yeah I think taking girls out of these high mileage clubs is fraught with peril. Equally a friend just used Tinder a bunch in Jakarta and he did have one home run but several duds also. I think if you want a true dinner date with a "real girl" Seeking is your best bet if you choose wisely.

Admittedly the next link (latest entry) is my experience last night in a second tier US city. But the same applies worldwide. Look hard enough and you will find gems on Seeking.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements[/URL]

[QUOTE=MaximusV;3034738]Even seasoned mongers still get scammed every now and then. I had a very similar thing happen to me last week. I was feeling a bit lazy and didn't want to leave my hotel so decided to try in house massage service with all inclusive full service component. I was chatting with a few and decided to go with one I thought was the best. Negotiated for 2 hours massage plus full service 1 Mil. I had her send multiple pictures she sent at least 5. I asked her are you sure this is you in the pictures. She assured me that she was in fact the girl in the pictures. I told her if anyone else shows up they are not getting paid. She said ok.

This is where the tricky comes into play. We met in the lobby, she had loose fitting clothes on so I couldn't get a gauge of overall body profile vs what I saw in the pictures, what I did notice was she was much shorter than what the pictures made her seem. Next she had on a mask so really could only see her eyes, her hair seemed the same I guess. My spidey senses felt something was off but I said let's see, I was thinking she wouldn't just lie to me after all my questioning and verification. So once in the room, she asked for the money even before taking off the mask. I said the money is right there pointing to dresser, then I said take off the mask. So when she takes off the mask, there is a little resemblance to the pictures but I realize I have just been caught up in a bait and switch. I tell her straight out that is not you in the pictures, why did you lie. She assures me it is her and that she just used an app to make herself more beautiful. I busted out laughing, anyone not blind would be able to tell that is not her. I was to tired to go through with this whole charade again finding another girl and so on, so I told her to start the massage..[/QUOTE]Yep. This has happened to me in Jakarta. I asked the girl.

To meet me at the elevator. She shows up with a mask. I told her to lower the mask. She did. Totally different girl and a homely ome at that. I told her sorry and goodbye. I didn't want to get into the elevator so she could see which was my floor so I took the stairs.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3034758]It is about fucking+the company for a longer time where number of shots don't matter, you may want to have dinner / a cozy time with them et all, this happens when mongering matures from the initial sex only for money to something more.[/QUOTE]I concur. My two good friends are still in "initial sex only," which is fine, to each his own. I'm in the holiday GF phase where I need to feel the girl is basically my GF. Go out. Hold hands. Watch TV. Go to a movie. Get a bite at her "go to" restaurant to learn about local food. For me, its decompressing when I worked and had a lot of stress.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;3034853]I've taken classic girls out for casual dates like lunch at Grand Indo. This was under the radar without payment for barfines or the MMS knowing. Every single time, about 90 to 120 minutes into hanging out at the mall, the girl gets a Whatsapp message that says she's needed right now to go to work. Report in immediately. I walk the girl to the bluebird area and pay her cab fee with a little spending money in ber hand. This probably would be evidence of #3 above. Yes the plan for both her and me was to fool around a bit at the hotel, so she could pocket an ST tip without mms knowing. But never happened as of yet and I've been at this for a bit now.[/QUOTE]I cannot believe that is an unintentional scam by the girl.

Afaik, girls know well what time they're supposed to be at work. E.g., one mamasan I'm friendly with has a few times consulted what I assume is some sort of work schedule on her phone when I asked about a specific girl I wanted to repeat with, telling me that girl will e.g. start at 16:00 (in one hour, too long for me to wait), or that girl is not working today, but will start at 14:00 tomorrow, etc.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3034846]1. I offered two Classic girls to come to my hotel and possibly spend the afternoon with me. Both were interested: "give whatsapp!" But as soon as the phone rang they switched back to transaction mode.

2. I am unsure about contract terms but they can't quit after the first month. I holiday-GF-ed a Classic girl in the last 48 hours. No discussion of a fine.

3. True. My HGF shares a room with one girl. Her cost is 1 juta a month paid to Classic. There's an "auntie" that cooks meals, which are charged to the girl. Classic advertises on Tik Tok. That's how my HGF learned of Classic.

Lastly, as I mentioned in a previous post, I sessioned with a Classic girl for one hour. After the session I asked her and mommy if I could take her to Luminor for the night. It was 11 pm at the time. Both said yes. I paid 365 K x 6 hours. Mama would pick her up at 8 am. Girl recd 600 K.[/QUOTE]Did you stay at Luminor near Emporium? Was there any problems in bringing your +1?