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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2630644]I had my Pfizer booster shot at the end of October. ...[/QUOTE]All vaccines lose efficiency in 6 - 9 months. I think so far they say Moderna's efficiency declines slowest. Interesting that many countries recommend mRNA booster even if vaccinated with J&J or AZ initially.
[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2630644]I had my Pfizer booster shot at the end of October. After my second shot back in March I had some minor body aches the second day, went to sleep early and felt a little weak the next day. With the third shot, towards the evening, serious pain in the arm, body aches in muscles, especially legs, joints pain especially my knees. The body temperature varied next three days between 37.9 c (100.2 F) and 39.9 c (103.8 F). The temp would drop when I got up from the bed, but in about an hour I had to lay down again. Could not sleep first two nights because of pain in my arm and my knees. Have to mention I didn't take any pain medication to max the antibody levels. My headaches lasted almost a week and eventually I did take ibuprofen which took care of pain. Was exhausted for an entire week. I am in my 50's, healthy, enjoyed daily 3-4 orgasms with a few day breaks during my NRW trips in Aug and Sep. Today I feel sad because four years in a row before covid every Thanksgiving I was in Dusseldorf, Koln, or Wiesbaden enjoying my normal FKK program. Anyway, happy Thanksgiving my friends, it's time to save some money for horny 2022. Cheers![/QUOTE]Your third Pfizer dose made more effects in your body than second, 39,9 degrees? Crazy. They want to kill our bodies, when I made so healthy powerful with my sport on this Summer before JJ dose. And now, other dose being compulsory to keep our pass valid in France and probably Germany when they are in worst situation, when seem South African one, stronger, is increasing. If I can reach Girose 3500 high glacier for my Christmas present, I will make a hole and stay there until I can take again my bicycle to climb up to highest ranked I love so much. There nobody to control my pass, but they should control to buy ski pass.
[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2630644]I had my Pfizer booster shot at the end of October. After my second shot back in March I had some minor body aches the second day, went to sleep early and felt a little weak the next day. With the third shot, towards the evening, serious pain in the arm, body aches in muscles, especially legs, joints pain especially my knees. The body temperature varied next three days between 37.9 c (100.2 F) and 39.9 c (103.8 F). The temp would drop when I got up from the bed, but in about an hour I had to lay down again. Could not sleep first two nights because of pain in my arm and my knees. Have to mention I didn't take any pain medication to max the antibody levels. My headaches lasted almost a week and eventually I did take ibuprofen which took care of pain. Was exhausted for an entire week. I am in my 50's, healthy, enjoyed daily 3-4 orgasms with a few day breaks during my NRW trips in Aug and Sep. Today I feel sad because four years in a row before covid every Thanksgiving I was in Dusseldorf, Koln, or Wiesbaden enjoying my normal FKK program. Anyway, happy Thanksgiving my friends, it's time to save some money for horny 2022. Cheers![/QUOTE]Your third Pfizer dose made more effects in your body than second, 39,9 degrees? Crazy. They want to kill our bodies, when I made so healthy powerful with my sport on this Summer before JJ dose. And now, other dose being compulsory to keep our pass valid in France and probably Germany when they are in worst situation, when seem South African one, stronger, is increasing. If I can reach Girose 3500 high glacier for my Christmas present, I will make a hole and stay there until I can take again my bicycle to climb up to highest ranked I love so much. There nobody to control my pass, but they may control to buy ski pass.
[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2630703]I don't care about science behind antibody levels, I simply stayed away from taking any meds after the jab. Advertisement not to take the vaccine? Oh, no. I am 100 percent pro-vax. Hope everybody gets a jab. I feel good about doing it because it's my contribution to fight the horrible virus.[/QUOTE]My understanding is it could possibly affect the bodies inflammatory response. I'm not a doctor but that is what ibuprophen generally does in layman terms and that is what a vaccine causes in layman terms.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2630815]All vaccines lose efficiency in 6 - 9 months. I think so far they say Moderna's efficiency declines slowest. Interesting that many countries recommend mRNA booster even if vaccinated with J&J or AZ initially.[/QUOTE]That's because the virus vector which infects your cells with the covid protein is an adenovirus and you make antibodies to the adenovirus vector. Thus, the second Johnson dose should not be effective since your body will neutralize the adenovirus in the Johnson vaccine and you will not have the adenovirus force your cells to produce covid proteins.
Again these vaccines are all fake and not real vaccines.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2630819]Your third Pfizer dose made more effects in your body than second, 39,9 degrees? Crazy.[/QUOTE]The first two doses of Pfizer had virtually no effect on me. But when I got the booster, I was down for two solid days! I had a fever, body aches all over, a headache, and got a painful swelling in my armpit on the side where I got the shot (this swelling of the lymph nodes is a known side effect). Well, my body's reaction proved I have the antibodies in me. So, as uncomfortable as I was for a couple of days, I'm happy to have strong protection against the virus, which I have yet to contract.
[QUOTE=DrPoon;2630943]That's because the virus vector which infects your cells with the covid protein is an adenovirus and you make antibodies to the adenovirus vector. Thus, the second Johnson dose should not be effective since your body will neutralize the adenovirus in the Johnson vaccine and you will not have the adenovirus force your cells to produce covid proteins.
Again these vaccines are all fake and not real vaccines.[/QUOTE]Older than 50, I lived as usual, kissing and datying WGs weekly, and didn't need until November. I just want my pass and not to be sick because of vaccine I m pretty sure I don't need. Now we will have to take risk with 2 doses per year to keep our pass.
[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2630901]My understanding is it could possibly affect the bodies inflammatory response. I'm not a doctor but that is what ibuprophen generally does in layman terms and that is what a vaccine causes in layman terms.[/QUOTE]Inflammatory response is part of (specific) immune response but specific immune response is not part of the inflammatory process. NSAIDs such as ibuprofen reduce inflammation which has secondary effects on immune response. It may have some measurable reduction in triggering memory cells involved in future antibody production but theories that it may render vaccination ineffective is just hypothetical conjecture.
For future reference, paracetamol-acetaminophen could be used to alleviate post-vaccination symptoms of fever and body aches rather than NSAIDs to ensure proper immune response.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2631034]Inflammatory response is part of (specific) immune response but specific immune response is not part of the inflammatory process. NSAIDs such as ibuprofen reduce inflammation which has secondary effects on immune response. It may have some measurable reduction in triggering memory cells involved in future antibody production but theories that it may render vaccination ineffective is just hypothetical conjecture.
For future reference, paracetamol-acetaminophen could be used to alleviate post-vaccination symptoms of fever and body aches rather than NSAIDs to ensure proper immune response.[/QUOTE]Maybe they can get people to take the vaccine if they give out some oxycodone pills with it. Since there will be no anti-inflammatory response by oxycodone either.
[QUOTE=DrPoon;2631052]Maybe they can get people to take the vaccine if they give out some oxycodone pills with it. Since there will be no anti-inflammatory response by oxycodone either.[/QUOTE]Probably yes.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2631034]Inflammatory response is part of (specific) immune response but specific immune response is not part of the inflammatory process. NSAIDs such as ibuprofen reduce inflammation which has secondary effects on immune response. It may have some measurable reduction in triggering memory cells involved in future antibody production but theories that it may render vaccination ineffective is just hypothetical conjecture.
For future reference, paracetamol-acetaminophen could be used to alleviate post-vaccination symptoms of fever and body aches rather than NSAIDs to ensure proper immune response.[/QUOTE]So you are saying to take aspirin before and during and after getting vaccinated with corona vaccines?
[QUOTE=TheCane;2630948]The first two doses of Pfizer had virtually no effect on me. But when I got the booster, I was down for two solid days! I had a fever, body aches all over, a headache, and got a painful swelling in my armpit on the side where I got the shot (this swelling of the lymph nodes is a known side effect). Well, my body's reaction proved I have the antibodies in me. So, as uncomfortable as I was for a couple of days, I'm happy to have strong protection against the virus, which I have yet to contract.[/QUOTE]Go to Germany, even though their infection and death rates are highest ever, they are having carnivals and people are gathering all over the pace! I do not know whether if Germans are smart or stupid with this irrational acts LOL!
I do not take vaccine as of this moment, but I pretty much stay in beside one or two lunch in good restaurants every two weeks! It is best protection, do not meet human!
[QUOTE=MrHo;2631117]Go to Germany, even though their infection and death rates are highest ever, they are having carnivals and people are gathering all over the pace! I do not know whether if Germans are smart or stupid with this irrational acts LOL!
I do not take vaccine as of this moment, but I pretty much stay in beside one or two lunch in good restaurants every two weeks! It is best protection, do not meet human![/QUOTE]Very important Munich Christmas market is cancelled, big loss of money. 2 G asked to enter restaurants, bars, museums. Riots in NL versus lockdown. Only problem is vaccines are not really efficient and I don t even say about Chinese which was told only around 50% efficiency, when Pfizer was told more than 90% efficiency, but we can see reality with new dose after only 5 months. When Israel is US cobaye, third dose for everybody and South African Omicron there, great result, when Israelians go everywhere in Western world, so they will bring us new gift and nothing about brothels.
Vaccines do not prevent you from getting covid, you still get covid even you are vaccinated, so you may survive, but you can give to other people who are more prone to have bad after result, I would say best is limit the movement, try to stay in, and wear masks, which seems to be hard thing to do in west, you tell them to do so, they go outside, gather to protest without masks shouting and breaking and set fire on things and robbing the store, what is that all about? LOL!
At the moment, Tokyo had under 30 infections per day for over one month everyday, which is good number for mega city, but we are expecting 6th wave to come and people are wearing masks still, we just block some flights again and it seems covid life style continue through out this winter, when will this end is what is on everyone's mind LOL!
Covid even took GT out of business, it was because of covid that they had to sell it even though owner apparently passed away and also the place got mysteriously got burnt afterward! But let see what will happen to GT after, it may even come back as better club than before as it was not good line up club, but I miss the garden fuck LOL!
[QUOTE=MrHo;2631089]So you are saying to take aspirin before and during and after getting vaccinated with corona vaccines?[/QUOTE]Aspirin is an NSAID so no, paracetamol would be better if wanting to avoid muscle aches and fever.