Kyiv

Good report, MaxLou1970! I can't understand how I forgot to state it clearly in my Tinder that I'm ready to sponsor. Fuck. I had read it hrre and made a mental note on it before travelling, but forgot.

I ordered a girl from agency advertising in Tinder. Not the real pic of face, but body might have been. Expensive, 3300, but I had drinks on me and they deliverrd after 50 min spontaneous order. She was the cheapest. I hope my schedule works and I get to mert another girl tonight.

BTW, I would suggest that people refrain from trying to find girls from Showaround. It's not the platform for it, dating apps are. I think we should respect other people's time and efforts in surviving their life as born Ukrainians. It's a tough game they are at, anyhow.

I've noticed that people thinn I'm Russian. They get startled when I speak English to their greetings. I think this is a disadvantage on the streets, because I get looks from girls that I consider nice looking "girl nextdoor" and if I speak English, I can sometimes almost hear how their socks start to whirl on their feet (actually, this might not be an english expression). But I mean that eyes can lit. I don't have The pictures for Tinder, but then again, there will be some really serious competition.

I've also started to pay attention and notice more and more of these 20-something girls with 30 or 40-something pairs, who speak English between them. And saw a tall nerdy looking guy around the age of 40 having a traditionally considered beauty among him, like with a Mizs Ukraine / World level face (if it wasn't for personal view biased toward another girl I had met in my home country, I'd say this blonde had aesthically the most beautiful face I've ever seen). And not attention seems to be paid on them. But when I'm with my local friend, who is not dressing like the city girls but has like two Ukrainian dresses, I get looks.

Well, when I get the chance I try to convince her to let me buy her a dress. Time is running low though, five days left.

Hey fellas,

First of all I am not into Tinder game for last couple years.

Why? Well, once I became confident in my Russian and Ukrainian, I started enjoying live conversations and flirting offline.

But I did enjoy Tinder for a certain period of my life and found there some of the best sex partners ever. For me the key to Tinder game is LYING and Role Playing. I will explain now and it's up for you to decide how moral or immoral this is.

Preparation: I would rent an apartment with good view. It may be small or in an old house, but it must have good smell, good bathroom and awesome view.

First: age.

I would always add extra 7 years to my age and state it in "Bio" and post 2-3 pictures of me in some exotic warm places around the globe, ideally on the boat / yacht. The trick here is to look awesome at my stated age and to look rich and adventures but not crazy rich. (no Bugatti and shiny bling bling).

So my description would be smth like:

Dave, 50 years.

Looking for a local lady to show me Kiev.

Drinks, food and fun is on me.

Second: filtering.

First I choose the hottest profiles, then I start conversations, then I dumb those who have worst English skills. Then it all depends on how good you can pretend and arise interest in women.

So I am left few chicks who are hot and speak English, I don't mind if they send me "sex for money offers".

I play like I don't need sex that bad, I just want to see Kyiv / Lviv and have some good time walking, talking and eating. The hardest thing comes during real life meeting. I would say I need 30-60 minutes to understand if there may be some sex chemistry between me and a girl I found on Tinder.

During first 30-60 minutes I am trying to ask more questions, so the girl keeps talking. That's why you need women with good English. I would ask questions about girls life, but these questions must be "neutral". In other words, asking "Did you have a happy childhood" is not ok. Asking something like "What was your favourite cartoon when you were a kid" is ok. So I'm trying to touch only pleasant strings of memories.

When I see (usually I feel that) that I can not find a connection, I pretend that someone calls me and I need to go to some place and I insist that I want to pay the girls taxi and give her some extra (400-500 UAH as a rule).

When I see some connection, I keep asking questions and start giving small doses of information about myself. I do try to look super open minded but not talkative to the way where you give a girl lecture about 20 last years of your life.

And in these doses of information I lie a lot. And its up to you what you want to lie about. The aim of it is to make the girl think of you as some super interesting, adventurous guy who has super interesting life and definitely has some cool secrets.

As a rule my lie is based on real life events of me and my friends where I would add "special effects" and supersize certain things. I never state how much money I make, I never state prices (like last summer I paid $200 for 10 g of coce in Bogota). I only tell stories that do show I have enough money. I also show I speak few foreign languages (even though I know only few words) but trust me women love that.

I had times where I would walk for few hour talking to a girl, then we go eat, drink smth and then I invite her to my apartment to try some exotic drink / food (that I would buy in duty free).

And then we would have sex. This does need serious skills that come with practice. It is a bit easier for me cause I really travelled a lot, saw different cultures and studied psychology for 6 years and played in a school theatre-.

Hope I'm not the only one crazy to pretend here. Would be happy to read other stories.

[QUOTE=Rog123;2580435]Finally had my first true Kyiv hottie from Mamba. Tall blonde. For me she was a 7.5. Had fake pictures on mamba but sent me real pics via WhatsApp. She's in her early 20's and has a child. Says she got fat after kid but ditched her deadbeat ex and got a revenge body going. Great legs, amazing breasts and bubble butt + amazing face. 2500 + taxi and she let slip that she drove herself but I didn't complain about the extra 250. She said no kissing but we started kissing a lot during sex. She said no DATY but agreed she would on next visit. Covered blow job but very enthusiastic.

I will share this contact with only a couple good friends on this board so don't bother asking.[/QUOTE]Just had my second date with this hottie. She flaked on me earlier in the week but I gave her another chance and glad I did. She opened up the menu with DFK the whole time and gave her a great O with DATY. I think there's a mutual attraction and it was like real sex with a lover (covered full service of course). Super sweet girl and amazing smile. She wants to keep in touch so hopefully I can meet her again in the future. Encounters like this are why I love Kyiv, along with many other reasons.

Just finished my one week trip. It was fun as always. Made couple of good long-term hopefuls, dropped a couple from past. I have written enough about Kiev so I am not going to bother with details but will focus on differences from past trips. Mainly the apartments almost all disappeared. I have been to Kiev for mongering purposes 4 times during the pandemic. Even in April lot of numbers were working but not now. Word is that they used COVID as an excuse to crack down. Who knows! Point is that data base needs to be rebuilt.

My go to is dating sites and their friends. I also repeat and build relationships so I have few cancellations, more late night visits and overnights without breaking the bank. I love Kiev but it is not easy. Go with a plan.

I was there for 7 days and had 15 sessions plus a massage or two. Average price is 3500. Kissing and BBBJ is a must for me.

You guys hit the nail on the head on how to get most out of Kiev. My approach is almost identical to Ivan's but I am bit more direct. They know why a 50 year old is contacting a pretty 20 something girl. I don't do cafes with girls. I invite them to my apartment. Part of the reason is time. My goal is 3 a day and I don't always meet that goal. Can't afford to lose time.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2584273]Just finished my one week trip. It was fun as always. Made couple of good long-term hopefuls, dropped a couple from past. I have written enough about Kiev so I am not going to bother with details but will focus on differences from past trips. Mainly the apartments almost all disappeared..[/QUOTE]Hi vitrea, is there enough happening for a newbie in Kiev, I'm planning on a month but may travel around. I'm used to apartment set ups but prefer Indies. Final resort would be massage places. I'm not too fussed about overnights or nightclubs. TIA.

So, just to summarize everything that's been described earlier. I'm not really discouraging you for visiting Kiev. Perhaps if your expectations are on the realistic side than you still may succeed in fucking average looking girls for 2500 UAH per hour. But even if you're ready to spend big bucks to have a good time there is no guarantee that you'll get what you want. Yes there were times long back (almost 20 years ago) when Ukraine and Russia where like epicenters of European mongering and there were hundreds of girls available for a reasonable price. But those times have gone long time ago and today you have much better option getting Ukrainian girl from an escort agency in Paris, Rome, London or Toronto for 300 $-500 $ than if you did the same in Kiev. Specifically, if you're visiting Kiev for a short period of time then your only options are GIA, Apartment and Strip Clubs. You may only succeed in the long-term game trying to find girls of your dreams or whatever but it's more like finding a needle in a haystack.

Well, In my opinion the "beauty" of Ukrainian girls is highly overrated – I personally prefer Russian girls as they look more structured, feminine, sincere and have less tendency for ripping you off. In Ukraine itself the prettiest girls I've met were coming from Eastern and Southern regions. But anyways when you're in Kiev you still see a good number of "hot" girls around (maybe 1 out of 10) walking on the streets, subways, shopping-centers etc. Some of them are sexy dressed (during the worm time of the year) and look like real hookers. So, you may get an impression that they are all waiting for you to approach and introduce yourself "Hi, my name is John – I'm a sex tourist from XXX country would you like to take a walk to my apartment so I can fuck you for 100 $ ? That's sounds a bit insane. Isn't it? You may think that Ukraine is a poor country and all girls are looking for extra-income. Well – most of them do. But keep in mind 2 things. 1) Ukraine is not as poor as you think (specifically Kiev). There are many local guys with a good income level like for example we pay our IT developers around $25 per hour. And there are many Ukrainians who are rich or even supper-rich. 2) Girls in Ukraine are very realistic towards their appearance and know exactly what they worth as the most of them are natural sharks and gold-diggers. So, their ultimate goal is to accumulate as much $$$ as possible and for the most beautiful girls it doesn't necessarily mean sharing bad with strangers. So, in basic P4P arrangements you are lucky if you find anything higher than 6 and if you want something better than that then you should have good connection in Kiev and be ready to spend some serious $$ I mean meeting girls on the street may still work for you on few conditions 1) You are young and good looking 2) You speak Russian 3) You have plenty of time for street-hunting and socializing.

I mean don't get me wrong; - You may still flirt with a college student, waitress, Russian language tutor, Tour Guide, Real estate agent, Dental assistant or Cleaning lady. But your chances of getting a successful date out of it are next to zero.

I've seen some guys being disappointed with Kiev (for whatever reason) trying to find some "luck" in other Ukrainian cities. Well this could be a great idea if you want to learn more about Ukraine's demographical and geographical structure. But in terms of mongering this will lead you to even more disappointment or even disaster if you don't have a bunch of reliable contacts in that city. By "Reliable Contact" – I don't mean girls that you've been corresponding on tinder, mamba, travelgirls etc. And never seen before in your life. "Reliable Contact" – means a friend or a girlfriend whom you've known for a long time and who can clearly guide you during your visit. If you don't know anyone and decided to rely on your "natural" instincts than be ready the following;.

1) You are moving against the stream because most of the girls from smaller cities (Odessa, Kharkiv, Nikolaev, Kherson, Dnepr and other towns and villages) are trying to make it to larger cities (not necessarily Kiev) to make more $$ 2) There is a very little chance that your "sweetheart" or whoever you've corresponded with on dating portals and never seen before in your life will show up to meet you in the airport or bus station. And if she does show up than there is great chance that you would want to jump back to the plane or bus because a girl that will meet you will look completely different from the girl you have corresponded with.

2) There are lots of local "services" patiently waiting for you to show up with you $$$ to rip you off (Taxi drivers, Local police etc.).

3) There are bunch of local guys who lives in Kiev and also disappointed with Kiev prices (I know many of them) are also very proactive and trying to get a fresh catch on spot before she's migrated out of her lake into the bigger rivers. And the fundamental difference between you and these guys is that they are know exactly what they want and how to get it. So as a result. Most of the good-looking girls will not be available as local guys prefer to book them daily weekly (not hourly).

4) Odessa may attract you during the summer time but keep in mind that it's a capital of scam. I mean you may get ripped off before you know it because of corrupted police and dishonest night clubs like Ibiza, Itaka, Palladium etc. So, if you still want to go to Odessa than you should check out google or tripadvisor reviews about each place you're planning to visit.

The following resources have mostly been used by those guys who are hunting for girlfriends, mistresses, semi-pros or any other type of "casual" relationships.

Marriage Agencies – 100% scam and should be avoided by any means. They hire professional translators to simulate interactive chats and calls (no video calls available) so a guy is thinking that he communicates with a real girl. Also, they organize "love tours" to Ukraine and other countries which cost crazy $$ And hire girls to attend these "social meetings" . So I'm sure that you guys already know about this scam models and none of you will fall for this crap.

Seeking Arrangement – This is an expensive option for those who are looking for sugar babies and Not very popular in Ukraine 90% of scam. The other 10% are either using fake pictures or charge crazy fees for a meeting (most are looking for monthly allowance rather than P4 P game). So, my suggestion is that if you already pay for this service in your country than you can try it in Ukraine. Otherwise save your bucks.

Soderganki. Ru – This could be a good option (completely free) but only for those who speaks Russian. Has a good number of postings from real girls who are really looking for financial support in exchange for casual relationship. There is an English version of this site: [URL]https://keptwoman.net/en/?s=Kiev[/URL] (you can put any city in the search box) . But it's not very useful as most of the girls do not speak any English or prefer local guys. And once again. There are many scams also lots of girls are really not good looking and only seeking monthly support. But after all you can try as it's completely free of charge.

Atolin. Ru – Very similar to soderganki. Ru but has more pictures in girl's profiles (and some of them could be real). Also, this is a paid service and mostly used by Russian speaking audience so I suggest you pass on this one if you don't know Russian. I've had some luck with this in the past but didn't try it now.

Travelgirls – Another expensive option with 90% of scam. The other 10% will be bitching about P4 P arrangements but some of them may agree to meet with you for 300-500 $. So, If you already paying for the service than you can try this in Ukraine otherwise I wouldn't bother. I have also had some luck with this 3 years ago. Contacted few hundred girls (or bots) whatever with response rate 30% out of which 80% was scam. So I ended up meeting with 7 girls out of which 4 I didn't like. So my success rate 3 girls out of 300 contacts. You may get more luck out of this but I'd give it very little chance as things keep declining over the years.

Show around – I suggest to use this option only if you need a company visiting night-clubs and other venues where you feel uncomfortable going by yourself. Also, I suggest you hire a male guide as most of the female guides do not like these arrangements and don't like sex-tourists in general. They prefer to walk you around the city for hours showing you dummy monuments and churches and at the end of the tour will take you to some dummy restaurant (where they get commissions out of your visit) to try some Ukrainian food like borcsh, pelmeni etc. So, if you're OK with this than move on with female guide otherwise. Stick with male guides to whom you can freely talk about the "real" purpose for your visit to Ukraine.

Tinder – Tones of fake profiles and the "real" once cooperate with local restaurants to drag you into "foodie" scam model where you will end-up paying half of your monthly salary for "fancy" cocktails or you'll get the amount of food you won't be able to digest in a week. And, as usual. The girl will collect her commissions and split at the end of the "Party". So, there are very few real "deals" on Tinder but if you find one than just be very careful.

Mamba – Used to be # 1 source for semi-pro hunting. But those days are over so don't even bother to pay for a membership. I mean it's not completely "dead" and still operating. But Admins took very harsh approach for any types of activities that are not truly related to pure "Love and Friendship" , so as a result. Very few p4 p oriented girls and pimps are keeping active profiles on this service. Instead, there are bunch of fakes and "marriage-minded" average looking girls.

Here I'll try to cover the full scope of "professional" services you can get in Kiev and frankly there is not much room for creativity.

GIA – Probably everyone on this forum familiar with this agency as they've been operating in Kiev for 20+ years. As a matter of fact, the only one professional escort agency currently operating in Kiev. The advantage of using this agency is that: 1) You speak with a "live" operator 2) They always have good selection of girls 3) All pictures on their site are real or close to real (You also have option to see unbrushed version or selfie but you need to get a password from operator. 4) Relatively honest representation of the girl (age / height / weight / tits etc.) 5) All services and prices are listed clearly. 5) Never had issues with punctuality. The disadvantages as follows: 1) Most of the girls are average looking and overpriced (staring 5000 UAH per hour). 2) There are few "hot" girls but they'll come with higher price tag. 3) In the review section they keep only "positive" reviews and delete "negative" once 4) The professional demeanor of the girls had declined over the years (specifically under new management) . I mean you will not get scammed, but some girls may get "lazy" or clocked-watched so if you noticed something like this you need to take things into your hands and drive the process. Which is a big "turn-off" for all of us because we like "enthusiastic" girls.

So simply saying. GIA (or whatever they call it now) is a good option for you if you didn't get anything better. In this trip I've used GIA girls 3 times. Liza and Margo were wonderful (Both old-timers and I knew these girls from my prior trips to Kiev) . On the other hand I had extremely negative experience with Arina)) I will not describe full scope of details here. I just want to warn you to avoid contact with this lady by any means.

International Sex Portals – This normally includes providers that cater to foreigners. And If you check [URL]eurogirls.com[/URL] under Ukraine / Kiev section you'll see around 200 active profiles 70% of which are fakes or underground pimps. So, if you really want to get something out of it than you'll need to narrow down your search to Independent girls (starting price 150 EUR) who has WhatsApp / Viber contacts so you can message her to arrange meeting. Please keep in mind that all pictures on website are either fake or heavily photoshopped. So, if you had hooked up for a meeting than you should ask the lady to send you real pictures and refuse to meet if she doesn't. On this trip I've hooked up with 2 girls and both were pretty good in terms of looks and services: Karina (very pretty blond with fake boobs) and Marina (pretty petite brunet – actually she's using real pictures and looks even better in reality). I've communicated with few more ladies from this site but did not like the pictures they sent. There are few other international portals like [URL]adultlook.com[/URL] slavic-[URL]companions.com[/URL] cityoflove etc. But selection is very poor and most of the profiles are heavily outdated.

Local Portals – There are 2 types of these. Some of them target English speaking audience like: relaxkiev, kievlady etc. But most of them are for local guys. Feikiev, keksik, naberu, ukrgo etc.

In both cases 90% of these are full of trash. And when I say "trash" – I mean real "trash" . Unfortunately many foreign guys I've seen in Kiev fall for this garbage imagining coming to Kiev and fucking tones of beauty queens for 800 UAH)) Well – the reality is that 50% of these adds are private massage parlors stuffed with old fat and ugly girls (pay attention to prices – 800/1500 UAH) . About 30% of adds belong to underground pimps or apartments (with few girls during the day-time) These normally start at 2000 UAH / HR and you won't get much out of it)) The price for a real independent girl will start at 3000 UAH / HR and very few of them are really "active". UkrGo is the most popular resource among locals and I was trying it for a couple of years and even got lucky a couple of times. But that luck came with tones of shit I had to shovel for hours. It's a sort of like finding a pearl on sandy beach. However, if you're still determined to try one of these here are some tips that may help you to get "lucky" 1) do not pay attention to anything lower than 3000 UAH / hour) Do not waste your time verifying pictures on google or Yandex (have to use VPN when in Ukraine) as 100% of pictures are FAKE. 3) Google phone number so you'll get better picture who you're dealing with. 4) Contact only girls / pimps who has Whatsapp / Viber / Telegram contacts 5) Consider only options with outcall to your apartment. 6) If you are dealing with underground pimps than you should ask them to send you a couple of girls to choose from and in 90% you'll send them back paying for the taxi 6) Beware of various scamming frameworks they exercise (the girl might be pretty so you'll pay and let her in but she'll spend around 20 minutes on the phone than another 20 minutes in bathroom than you will only have few minutes to kiss her in the chick before she splits.) 7) All valuables in your apartment must be hidden.

So, the bottom-line) I suggest to stick with international portals as there is a better chance to get something decent out of it. Also, if you're visiting Kiev for a long time than it make sense to mess around with these sites but if you're on the short-term visit than do not waste your time on this crap.

High-End Escorts.

Well, if you're not limited on budget than this could be a good option for you to fuck a real Ukrainian beauty. And it's true. By using these resources, you can easily hit 7/8/9 and even 10. However: Expect the big hit to your wallet. In my experience: 7 from $500, 8 from $600, 9 from $800. Normally meeting lasts 2 hours or more (if you like "dinner-dates" than you pay double). I'm personally not a big fan of dinner-dates, actually once in a while I go out but only with girls I've known for some time. And my personal preference #1 Date #2 Dinner as I don't like to fuck with my stomach full. So, anyways: There are few resources available for these types of arrangements: it's OMG and MensKiev Both are pre-paid services and will require your credit card but don't worry) they are perfectly legit. OMG will actually refund your payment if for whatever reason the girl you contacted did not get back to you. This time I've used menskiev once and met a very nice lady. Paid $500 but had a very good time.

So, for those of you who are ready to spend some serious cash. I'd classify this as an option # 1. OMG may also come cheaper if you invite a girl from another city;- However you may stuck with a problem if you're not really like the girl in person than it would be some headache with sending her back to hometown. (If you didn't like the local girl, so you just pay for her taxi and you split (no hard feelings).

Again. Even though you have cash to hire a high-end escort in Kiev. It's time to scratch your head and do some math: A good looking Ukrainian girl in London will cost you $300 in Paris and Rome $250. Than why would you come to Kiev to fuck identical girl for $500? I think that's a question you should ask yourself before booking your trip to Kiev.

This used to be my favorite option many years ago. Just go to a night-club and get what you need. Obviously. For those who remember "River Palace" . That was a stop # 1 in Kiev. Well, unfortunately these days are gone forever. I've done some observation on this trip with a very little hope to get something out of it. So, here is the story.

Buddha-Bar – Used to be a good place for foreigners and locals to stop by for a few drinks and check out working girls. The quality of girls had declined over the years but even 2 years ago I've managed to pickup a nice semi-pro girl Yana for $300. The place was shut down about year ago, so no more Buddha Bar.

Chi – Glamourous Place which had a decent selection of "Dolls" . I had luck a couple of times and most of these ladies are still active on my contact list. The place was also closed last year.

De*Fleur – (Used to be the*Lux) . Never liked that place because of stupid face-control bouncers at the entrance. I personally never had trouble getting in because I speak fluent Russian and always had a girl company, but my foreign friends and colleagues always had hard time. Now they operate only on weekends and "YES" There are lots of single chicks inside the club but beware of scam models they exercise. They get paid by establishment to get you to buy more food and drinks. They are acting like they're working girls and ready to join you into your bad. But on reality there is 90% chance they'll drop you off at the end of the "party" and you'll end up paying a huge bill. So, I suggest to avoid this place or go with experienced guide.

SkyBar – Same as De*Fleur + some crazy college kids.

Caribbean – Went with my UK friend just to show him around. There was a girls-band playing some shitty Russian pop-music. The place was pretty busy with male / female ratio 70/30. Mostly guys from middle-eastern countries who spend in Kiev decent amount of time. Mostly average looking girls and very few singles (most came to the club with company). I've spotted a good looking blond (early 30 wearing sexy dress) She was sitting by the bar with a glass of wine aside from the crowd. I set next to her and asked if she enjoyed party so far. She was very straight forward with me because I spoke clean Russian. So she told me that she's not "for sale" and she gets commissions from the club for making guys buying drinks. We chatted for a bit longer and then she excused herself into the bathroom, so it was clear that she wasn't looking for my company. I actually always liked Caribbean for exercising liberal approach for the tourists and locals (virtually no face control). And years ago the place was packed with single girls well. Not anymore.

Forsage – Full of college kids. Some girls are good looking but not available for P4 P also not looking for sugar daddies. If you are young and good looking I suggest to visit this place to try your luck. And if you are 35+ than I don't think you'll feel comfortable visiting this place. Also be careful with drinks and prices. I suggest you get beer or wine. Hard liquors and cocktails are not only overpriced but heavily mixed with different garbage so may not be able to monger for a couple of days after consuming these drinks. One Ukrainian guy told me "I never drink inside of these places. I always get drunk before I go there" Think it's a great idea. Identical places: Indigo, Sorry Babushka (temporary closed).

Avalon – Few years ago used to pick up working girls on upper level (terrace) after midnight and few of them are still active on my contact list. So this time I hooked up with a girl Anna whom I met 2 years back at Avalon and after a good banging session she suggested we go back to Avalon to celebrate our reunion. She's actually being married and lives in Germany but visits Kiev frequently to take care of her elder parents. So, we got to Avalon at about 11 pm and while drinking, eating and talking I was observing action around. Male / female ratio 60/40. Mostly couples and companies. There were few tables with single ladies but they didn't look like working girls as their tables where full of food. 2 Ladies where sitting next to us. Looking like high-end prostitutes. I noticed a couple of single Turkish guys were trying to pick them by offering them to move to their table, but it looks like these girls were not looking for any action. Other than that. Avalon is pretty good place to hang out with a girl or friends but I don't think you'll score in any type of P4P action. Also beware of prices – Scams going on all tourist places (including high-end venues).

Veranda – Similar to Avalon. Used to have some hookers but not anymore. Also, they used to be opened until 6 am and now shut down at 12.

Shooters – 10 Years ago was #1 on my list. Ladies night every Wednesday and Sunday used to be packed with semi-pros Food was also great but These days are gone: Now it's a shit-hole. Still functioning but opened only once a week on Sunday.

Rio. Visited Thursday late night. Around 35 dancers on the floor but 90% of them are average looking. One girl looked OK (pretty face and proportional tits / ass combination) but she had disappeared very quickly))) Rio used to have hot girls with take out option for $300 . Well I know the floor manager for many years and he's clearly explained that the golden times for RIO are over. I mean they still have few hot girls around but those are not available for take-out. Bc club pays them extra $$ to attract customers and they pull enough cash on private dances (despite the poor quality of girls the place was pretty packed for Thursday night) so these "cheerleaders" are not really interested to jump into your bed. The next-door club "Tootsies" has a bar type settings and frankly I'm not a big fan of this establishment so I didn't bother to come-in. Basically, the rule of thumb is if RIO is slow than you won't have much fun at Tootsies either. Also (just FYI) another RIO branch Scarlet (President hotel) was recently Closed.

Harem – visited Saturday night with my coworker friend from UK. The quality of girls used to be much lower than in RIO and now it's about the same level not because Harem has gotten better but because RIO has gotten worse. The place wasn't too busy for Saturday night and I had a lap dance with a one slim blond. Very robotic action with limited touching. I think that she was available for take out but I didn't bother to ask as she wasn't really into it and I'm not a big fan of sleeping with Icebergs.

Dolls. After leaving Harem we moved straight to Dolls. . The place was filled about 50% with around 20 dancers on the floor. The quality of girls was a bit better than in Harem. I've spotted few girls I'the qualify 7 and 8 but was not in the mood to any lap-dances so I tipped Nina 200 UAH (slim brunette with natural be+ boobs) and asked her to join us at our table for chit-chat. She came back 20 minutes later and joined us for drinks (here you need to be careful to monitor which drink a girl is ordering cause you might get very frustrated at check out) so anyways I asked her if she's OK with take out option and she says "Yes" "but not today" - She explained that she already left the club earlier with a client for a couple of hours and feels a bit exhausted. She suggested I came back at another day earlier time so we can hookup. At the same time my friend pulled out a toll red-head girl with fake boobs. She was 100% not my type but we're all have different taste so I've respected his choice. She also spoke decent English and that's probably what had attracted him in the first place because he speaks zero Russian. Anyways – they've made arrangement to his place and left. It was around 4 am and I decided to stay until the final call and not much had happened during this timeframe. Spoke to waitress about take out politics and she explained that almost every girl is available for take out but that depends on business of the club. Normally it's $250-300 for a couple of hours and the services you get will be very basic. The good thing is that these days "take out" options in Dolls Is sort of more liberal than in RIO and it used to be the opposite way.

Princess. This one is really caught my attention. Used to be a shit-hole for many years but it's got much better under new management. Visited on Sunday night after having few drinks with my friends nearby. The place is completely redecorated with 3 dancing stages, nice set of erotic TVs and a huge bar in the conner. There were about 20 girls on the floor most of them looking above average (definitely better than RIO) . And few I'd classify 7/8. Also, it looked like all girls had a solid dancing background performing acrobatic tricks on pole. I've notices a short-haired blond with very pretty face and be+ tits which looked very cute on her slim body. Asked her for lap-dance (600 UAH) and we had a pretty good time the only disadvantage is that the cabins for private dances are very dark. Anyways, she joined me later at my table and I wanted to order a drink for her but she preferred sushi. Natasha (her name) looked pretty good so I offered her to continue party at my place without much hope for positive response but to my surprise she had agreed to my offer without much hesitation. She said that normally she doesn't leave the club if it's busy but that night it was very slow so she agreed for outcall. Also (as she told me later) she had a solid escorting background and was touring to France and Italy working for an agency making some serious cash before COVID and now she stuck in Kiev waiting for Europe to open. So, I paid 300 $ to the manager and we left to my apartment on club's Taxi. It was almost 4 am and we had a pretty good time until 6 am. Overall this was a very positive experience and I wouldn't mind to see her again but she'd refused to exchange phone#. She said that she doesn't hooks up outside of the club business, suggested to come back another day to pick her up (if available).

Tips for newbies:

When visiting strip-clubs with "take-out" in mind consider the following places: Princess, Dolls, Harem, RIO (last on my list and used to be first) . You should skip: Penthouse (full of scam and ugly girls), Rhino and Burlesque ("take out" not available. They used to have hot girls for lap dances but not any more).

In general, it looks like the quality of dancers had declined dramatically over the years. I mean 5 years ago coming to RIO you may see at least 5 pretty girls out of 20 but these days are over. So keep your expectations on the lower level.

"Take Out" policies may change in the club depending on how business goes and specific girls. Keep in mind that more attractive girls (if you find any) are usually making good $$ on private dances so she'd prefer to stay in the rather than sucking your dick for the rest of the night. Also the management of the club is trying to keep them indoor as "cheer-leaders" to attract more customers.

So, by visiting any of the clubs there is 95% chance that you will not find what you looking for. This obviously depends on your preferences (if you like to fuck average looking girl for 300 $ than your chances are increase to 60%.

$250-$300 is a standard price across (Harlem and Dolls used to be cheaper but not any more) and even though you'd managed to get the girl you like into your than do not expect anything "special" . The quality of time you spend together will be a bit better than spending time with apartment girl but do not expect anything spectacular.

So, the bottom line. Just do some Math. Visiting strip club will cost you at least $100 (entrance fee + drinks) than you spend another $100 tipping girls + private dances or inviting a dancer to your table. Than (if you get "lucky") another $300 for the girl. So, the question will pop up: "How come I've spent $500 in Kiev tonight? "Is this really worth it?

Hi guys,

Initially I wanted this to be a basic trip report but since I have not been contributing to this forum for a couple of years I have ended up writing a several chapters essay (took me few weeks to complete) sharing my experience. Well, I've just completed my first post-COVID business trip to Kiev since February 2020 and before that I used to visit Kiev for work 3, 4 times annually since 2012. I'm in IT business and we have affiliated offshore partners all over Ukraine, Russia and Poland so I have to travel frequently to drop off new projects and pickup completed once. This time I've spent in Kiev about a month and there was very slow on business side so being away from my lovely family I've dedicated more time to my personal needs.

Being visiting Ukraine for so many years I have accumulated 100+ contacts for the local talents into my Red-Book. Obviously many of them have moved away to other countries or got married, but I still have managed to catch up with 9 girls I have met in the past. All good-looking ranging from 7 to 9. But all of them come with a solid price-tag $200-$500. I have also met 5 new ladies. And that's a bit disappointing since the number of local talents shrank down dramatically over the years.

So, anyways. The important part I'd like you to comprehend is that there are 2 channels for getting girls in Kiev. The first is an Open or Public channel specifically dedicated for sex tourists and that's basically 90% of this forum discussions including. Strip clubs, apartments, mamba, tinder, GIA, and whatever else is out there.

The second channel is a sort of very private channel and it's only accessible for locals who have good $$$ and good connections. So, most of the girls I meet I get from 2 local pimps who has affiliation with modeling agencies, private college students etc and they always have a good pull of new talents. But like I said earlier the price-tag does not come cheap. Most of the girls cherish their privacy (Kiev is a big village) and prefer long-term engagement at full discretion. The other part of this is that I speak fluent Russian (actually native) and have lots of good friends and girlfriends in Kiev who are close to adult entertainment industry in Ukraine so I have some luxury for getting the right hints (they call it "tema" in Russian) and attend the right parties.

So anyways – I hope I have described this clearly for the guys who have an imagination for coming to Kiev for a couple of days and fucking model-type girl for $100 (all services included). Well it used to be like that back in 90's. But today. 150% it's not going to happen.

Now, let's talk about Open Mongering Chanel and what options you guys have coming to Kiev and following basic tourists steps. Well – Unfortunately not much. I mean you might get lucky but most of you will end-up with disappointment. I've done some actions on this side and only succeeded 3 times (speaking fluent Russian and having bunch of local friends around). I'll try to make my story as informative as possible so you guys can learn from it. So please refer to my next postings for details:

Well. SprKiev21 just answered your question with a very comprehensive Kiev guide for 2021. You are going for a month so should have good success in one or more of the venues. Different things work for different people. As you can see from th text book that SprKiev wrote, there is plenty of action but how much you end up paying and the quality you get for it, is highly variable and a major factor being your ability to speak Russian. My Russian is zero.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2584367]Hi vitrea, is there enough happening for a newbie in Kiev, I'm planning on a month but may travel around. I'm used to apartment set ups but prefer Indies. Final resort would be massage places. I'm not too fussed about overnights or nightclubs. TIA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2584620]Well. SprKiev21 just answered your question with a very comprehensive Kiev guide for 2021. You are going for a month so should have good success in one or more of the venues. Different things work for different people. As you can see from th text book that SprKiev wrote, there is plenty of action but how much you end up paying and the quality you get for it, is highly variable and a major factor being your ability to speak Russian. My Russian is zero.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comprehensive updates SprKiev21 and vitrea.

It doesn't paint a great picture for a newbie. The prices quoted are higher than Western Europe so I think I will change my plans and look elsewhere as my trip is purely leisure not business.