[QUOTE=Syzygies;1991949]If I never had any GFs, I would have been a lot better off.[/QUOTE]I know this wasn't the purpose of your post but this is the BEST ADVICE a very experienced monger can give to anyone travelling to Thailand.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1991949]If I never had any GFs, I would have been a lot better off.[/QUOTE]I know this wasn't the purpose of your post but this is the BEST ADVICE a very experienced monger can give to anyone travelling to Thailand.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1991846]Why does it seem that so many people make a point of posting complaints about their Pattaya experience?
I would opine that those who complain simply have unreal expectations, and possibly an exaggerated sense of self-importance. What? The most beautiful women in Asia didn't throw themselves on you? I guess my standards are a bit lower. I was happy with having cute Asian girls call out to me ever 5 feet I walked.
[/QUOTE]Opebo has been around Thailand for a long time, and made reports on some off-the-beaten-path places that most of us never even came close to. I don't think he'd be the one to have unrealistic expectations.
Sure, if you come for a short holiday from a pussy-desert like the US, Pattaya will seem like paradise every time, but for someone who has been around 5-10 years ago, what's currently on offer is dire. You might not like the negativity, but personally, I appreciate the reality check, to make sure I'm not slowly going insane and starting to consider 99% of the women ugly (no, apparently, it's just what's on offer in Pattaya).
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1992061]Opebo has been around Thailand for a long time, and made reports on some off-the-beaten-path places that most of us never even came close to. I don't think he'd be the one to have unrealistic expectations.
Sure, if you come for a short holiday from a pussy-desert like the US, Pattaya will seem like paradise every time, but for someone who has been around 5-10 years ago, what's currently on offer is dire. You might not like the negativity, but personally, I appreciate the reality check, to make sure I'm not slowly going insane and starting to consider 99% of the women ugly (no, apparently, it's just what's on offer in Pattaya).[/QUOTE]I'v been coming to Pattaya off and on for 8 years now and I really don't think it's changed all that much as far as the looks of the girls. With the exception of the top gogos, its' always a challenge to find a hot girl to my tastes. I am only attracted to about 1-5% of the girls I see at most venues. I am thinking of places like Ibar / Insomnia, Soi 6, and some of the lesser regarded gogos like Papagayo. The beer bars are a complete waste of time for me and I have rarely ever found someone I liked.
It vacillates for sure. Sometimes its a bit better and sometimes a bit worse. I find it easier to find attractive girls during my trips int the summer than in the winter. But I don't see some kind of general decline. In fact, the last two summers have been about the best I've seen. This winter (a few days after New Year) was one of the worst times. But I still managed to find 2 girls that really turned me on and I had great all night (and well into the next day) GFE sessions with them. Both had great attitudes and were fun to be with. My buddy that was with me did very well for himself as well (maybe even better that I did).
One thing that HAS changed is that prices have gone up dramatically. I remember BFing the top gogo girls form Supergirl and Superbaby (those places were the cream of the crop back then) for 2500 LT. An all nighter with a disco or WS FL set you back 1 K.
But I don't remember the girls being any better or worse back then. In fact, I think I have a much better time wit the girls nowadays as I am much more experienced and comfortable with the whole p4 p thing then I was back then. Some of the best sessions I'v ever had were with the girls I met this summer.
I have branched out a bit and explored some other venues. PP is fun and I'd like to spend more time in BKK over the next few trips (more for the city and to hang out with girls I've met online than for straight mongering). But Pattaya remains the Mongering Mecca and I will continue to happily make my periodic pilgrimages to it.
[QUOTE=Haven123;1991910]
We hit it off then and had great vibes, attitude and total GFE.
Well, I will be off again to adventure, explore and search anew, to see if I can find 1-2 more good ones in the next 10 days that I will be here this trip ...so I am hopeful and optimistic. I do have some back up numbers for 3 girls ( all 20's and 2 7 to 7.5) from Insomnia on this trip. But, I am still holding out for a long shot![/QUOTE]Glad you are having fun old buddy!
I love your spirit. Good things come to good people like you!
Enjoy the rest of your trip!
And stay horny my friend.
Uncle-V.
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Unfortunately, I'm into love making more than hardcore action, and this aggression is not helping. I pull out, while she's still on her knees. Pom pulls off the condom and peeks in to find no cum, then looks at me with curiosity. Now, her English is marginal at best, and there's no way I can tell her that I want to go slower. Finally, she mimes and says "Finish" rolling her lips in an O, to indicate that she wants me to cum. We try again, and she gives a great HJ too. But, nada.
As we wrap up, I can tell that she's upset. She's a real pleaser, and wants a happy customer. As we walk out, I tip her 200 and she's genuinely surprised. Folds her hands in a namaste and thanks me. I'd love to go back to see Pom. After I got back to the lobby, discovered that we'd run over the allotted time, by 10 minutes. I hope Pom doesn't get into trouble on my account.
[/QUOTE]My experience is similar. Many, certainly not all, do indeed want to please, and take it as a person failure if they can't get you off. I no longer tip a girl who gives the expected service, but if they really go the extra mile, regardless of if I can get off or not (usually not), I will tip them. A couple of girls I have tipped very well for performance far above and beyond the call of duty. There seems to be no real way to tell in advance who will care or not care. I have had Soi 6, BR and gogo girls both refuse to give up, and those who couldn't care less. I think I have more examples of Soi 6 girls going above and beyond, but that is because I have been with more of them. But I will say that it was the Soi 6 girls that have given the best P.S. And BF experiences of my life.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1992122]I'v been coming to Pattaya off and on for 8 years now and I really don't think it's changed all that much as far as the looks of the girls. With the exception of the top gogos, its' always a challenge to find a hot girl to my tastes. I am only attracted to about 1-5% of the girls I see at most venues. I am thinking of places like Ibar / Insomnia, Soi 6, and some of the lesser regarded gogos like Papagayo. The beer bars are a complete waste of time for me and I have rarely ever found someone I liked.
[/QUOTE]Is it really called "Papagayo"? If correct, it's amusing. I guess its a Latin American term. It looks like a mash up of "Papaya Go". I remember Papagei is the German word for Parrot.
Interesting you say beer bar girls are crap. Bangkok does have some reasonable looking girls working daytime bars. I assume "beer bars" means bars with no gogo dancing and no Coyote dancing (no dancing at all)? With pool tables? Even after 25 years on and off in Thailand, I am not absolutely clear what a "beer bar" is. All bars have beer, and all bars have something else for non beer drinkers like me. I know what a Pub is, and what a gogo bar is, so I have always guessed it must be the other bars with working girls.
Are beer bars always open air bars? Do they always have girls with special beer advertising shirts promoting beers (perhaps not)? I ask because I really don't know what is a beer bar for sure. Is it something that has never been actually defined?
Finally, what is the difference between a Beer Bar and a Beer Garden, if any? Something to do with being under a roof to not get rained on? Size of tables? Or being amongst the trees and pot plants?
[QUOTE=Haven123;1991910]Well, she wanted to come back and stay with me but I held off for about a week.
The point of all of the above is to say that:
1. Yes, it is difficult to find good ones. But when you find them, treat them well, and if it fits your MO, keep them for as long as you like the experience.
2. Hunting every night takes its toll on us too.
3. As we get older, we get pickier, and girls with today's Facebook, Instagram and other dating apps have more choices. Even at Insomnia I see so many Turkish guys throw money (like raining 20 bahts. 1000 bahts at a time) and stuff money 20,50 and 100 baht notes into the girls bras and panties when they are dancing up on stage at Insomnia)...[/QUOTE]Great FR! Couldn't have agreed more with you, concentrate on quality rather than quantity. I also realised when you do that you always end up with somebody you really want, especially in Pattaya. The key is having patience.
Papagayo is a very fun bar. Friendly girls and more or less unscathed by the Japanese.
I consider a beer bar as an open air bar. This is where I could walk around Pattaya all night and not even find 1% of beer bar girls decent. The only exception may be the beer bars on Walking street in 2 areas, on the main strip on Walking Street with Frog Bar in the front and about 20 beer bars behind Frog bar that extend all the way to the water. Also a couple of very small beer bars between Windmill and 2nd Road have some gems. I also met a nice one in the tiny beer bars between Happy agogo and Walking Street.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1992576]Even after 25 years on and off in Thailand, I am not absolutely clear what a "beer bar" is. [/QUOTE]It's pretty much the same as a bar beer.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1992576]Is it really called "Papagayo"? If correct, it's amusing. I guess its a Latin American term. It looks like a mash up of "Papaya Go". I remember Papagei is the German word for Parrot.
Interesting you say beer bar girls are crap. Bangkok does have some reasonable looking girls working daytime bars. I assume "beer bars" means bars with no gogo dancing and no Coyote dancing (no dancing at all)? With pool tables? Even after 25 years on and off in Thailand, I am not absolutely clear what a "beer bar" is. All bars have beer, and all bars have something else for non beer drinkers like me. I know what a Pub is, and what a gogo bar is, so I have always guessed it must be the other bars with working girls.?
Finally, what is the difference between a Beer Bar and a Beer Garden, if any? Something to do with being under a roof to not get rained on? Size of tables? Or being amongst the trees and pot plants?[/QUOTE]Beer bar is the translation of Bierstube.
The German version of the British pub.
Beer garden (Biergarten) is the "terrace" of a Bierstube.
Things then gets mixed up in expatriate locations as Thailand, helped by the similar sounding of the words.
Where any expatriate wants to start a business and has the unique idea to open a bar or a restaurant to feel home (and make other farang, who flew thousands of miles, feel home too).
Girls do open hair salons and farang do open bars.
They both share the same source of financing.
Their revenue is one of Thailand best kept secrets.
If something fails, there is always the option to open a diving center.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1992122]
One thing that HAS changed is that prices have gone up dramatically. I remember BFing the top gogo girls form Supergirl and Superbaby (those places were the cream of the crop back then) for 2500 LT. An all nighter with a disco or WS FL set you back 1 K.
But I don't remember the girls being any better or worse back then. In fact, I think I have a much better time wit the girls nowadays as I am much more experienced and comfortable with the whole p4 p thing then I was back then. Some of the best sessions I'v ever had were with the girls I met this summer..[/QUOTE]Probably our salaries have risen up too. Did we get any better? LOL.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1992605]Probably our salaries have risen up too. Did we get any better? LOL.[/QUOTE]I would hope that you have gotten better at your job over the last 10 or 20 years. The difference in my skills are drastically better.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1992605]Probably our salaries have risen up too. Did we get any better? LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, and that should mean that I should be able to *more easily* afford what was more difficult to pay for as a young man. Not just barely keep up. It would only be fair for a young man starting today to face the same prices (relative to me at his age).
Hello friends,
I am going Pattaya from 23 February Morning to 27 February. I am from India & going alone (because my 2 friends ditched me after booking tickets air & hotel). Are there anybody from India want to hangout with me but I want to tell that I am vegetarian & non alcoholic.
Are there any suggestion about hotel. I have booked Citrus Parc Hotel. Any reviews about hotel for alone mongering. Is this hotel comfortable to go Nightlife areas.
Thanks.
Loving,
Kush82.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1992576]
Interesting you say beer bar girls are crap. Bangkok does have some reasonable looking girls working daytime bars. I assume "beer bars" means bars with no gogo dancing and no Coyote dancing (no dancing at all)? With pool tables? Even after 25 years on and off in Thailand, I am not absolutely clear what a "beer bar" is. All bars have beer, and all bars have something else for non beer drinkers like me. I know what a Pub is, and what a gogo bar is, so I have always guessed it must be the other bars with working girls.
Are beer bars always open air bars? Do they always have girls with special beer advertising shirts promoting beers (perhaps not)? I ask because I really don't know what is a beer bar for sure. Is it something that has never been actually defined?
Finally, what is the difference between a Beer Bar and a Beer Garden, if any? Something to do with being under a roof to not get rained on? Size of tables? Or being amongst the trees and pot plants?[/QUOTE]In America, a reference to a beer bar generally means a small local indoor pub where it is far more likely to find patrons, mostly men, drinking their adult beverages from a bottle or mug instead of a cocktail or martini glass, probably with only a juke box or similar or entertainment.
But in places like the recognized P4 P destinations of Thailand and the Philippines, I have never heard a fellow monger refer to a beer bar (or bar beer, at term I rarely hear anymore except from some girls who work in them) where he wasn't talking about an outside / open air bar without go-go dancers but where fully clothed girls are employed and available for barfine.
I believe it is the association with available P4 P girls that determines what kind of "bar" we're talking about. Which is also why the term takes on a different meaning outside of the usual P4 P destinations;.
Stumble Inn is a beer bar. Beer Garden Soi 7 and Thermae are freelancer bars. Bangkok Bunnies is a go-go bar. Kasalong is a BJ bar. That kind of thing.
It is the way we mongers communicate the format for meeting and engaging P4 P girls in the various venues and not really about the kind of drinking that is done there.