Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[QUOTE=Johndao]... it is better if you scope out some hotels first to take them to. First of all, it's safer. ...
Second, ... They don't know the hotel rules against foreigners and locals for the short time thing...
Third, bring some ID to give the hotel....
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The place on the side street opposite the Windsor Plaza entrance will always take you for 50k but it is really sleazy and dirty.
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Hey, where are the pics of Thuy? Girls in that area let me take all the pics I want 95% of the time.[/QUOTE]
1/ I dont want to negotiate the ST price with hotels. I want a one-stop shop; i.e how they want to split the money is upto her and the hotel.
2/ This is true. With the first girl, and the second, and the hotels, I was probably the first foreigner.
3/ I will never show my ID. I dont trust them. The information can be used for many things.
Hotels by Windsor - I think the first girl took me to one of them. It wasnt sleazy but greedy.
Pics- I ve never done that, maybe in the future.;)

[QUOTE=Casey2005]Like Parnellcat, I know the importance of having a Vietamese friend who is trustworthy and who will introduce you to some of the naughtier aspects of HCMC. I know a xe om driver. He's not exactly a pimp, but like most Vietnamese males who have grown up here he knows where the locals go to have to fun. He is very friendly and speaks both English and French. I trust him which is saying something since in my experience most xe om drivers will try to rip you off. I'd be willing to share his number. He'll take you to the hot toc and bia om places that the locals frequent. He'll bargain with the owner so that you won't be charged the tourist price. I usually pay him 50,000 VND each time which makes him very happy and which is well worth it since many of these places I would have been unable to find on my own. He has offered to take me down to the Mekong Delta where I understand there are numerous opportunities for FS for only 100,000 VND.[/QUOTE]Hi there,

I know this is old, but I will be in Saigon for up to 2 weeks tomorrow night. I was wondering if you could please share with me any contacts that might help me, and I would greatly appreciate that. Any other spots that you recommend? This will be my first time to Vietnam. I'm from California and with the economy the way it is, what better and cheaper offpeak time to travel.

[QUOTE=Ludwigvanlee]Here are some reviews of places of note discussed in forum as well as general experience

252 Ly Thai To: I came in there with a few friends with a cavalier attitude, expecting 6-7s, or even 5-6s, instead what I find are 2-3s. The women are so old they are already dying their hair. I was very keen on getting some mind you, so I looked every single one at least a few times, and they kept on telling the 'youngest' girl to step up but the youngest was at least 30! The fee was 150,000 dong for entrance, and of course I left, thinking I probably wouldn't even let these women touch me if it was pro bono.

NY Saigon: It should be noted that the girls in these bars usually are interchangeable and they float to the other bars near the area if there isn't enough business. The girls here at NY Saigon were 4-5s. Very friendly and eager to please with the hand in the inner thigh deal. I got a beer, bought every girl a drink, but then ran off to Cali. Make sure you ask about minimum drinks purchased if you are set on taking a girl out.

Cali: The girls here are a hell of a lot better looking than the other bars in the area. I would give them 6-7 with one girl breaking the 7 barrier, but arrogant and not fun to talk to. The temporary mamisan is actually very friendly, forgot her name cause i was too busy getting the rub down from her too. The music is terrible, but the girls are very friendly and some are a little "too" eager to please.

Vien Dong: Massage place that is famous to the locals. The girls here are generally very nice and friendly, with the exception of one girl that I absolutely hated. If you have a girl that doesn't smile right off the bat, ask for another one IMMEDIATELY! There are lots of girls here, there is NO reason you should have to put up with that nonsense. I got the VIP room a few times as well as normal, these girls will do more than hj if they like you and given the right price. Take care of the door guy in the tan uniform, he will send you a beautiful one. I gave him 50,000 after I disliked my first girl and he sent me a stunner who let me do all sorts of things to her and was incredibly nice and funny. Girls range from 6-8, with rare occasional 9.

Volcano and Liquid: I didn't know it but these girls, no matter how sluttily dressed, are not necessarily pros. I'd say they're mostly semi-pros or have very bad fashion sense, but they all got sugar daddies up the wazoo. Luckily, we ran into a really cool dude who introduced us to almost 10 of the girls there (score: 7-9s, mostly 8s). All of them, extremely friendly, but if you want to get to know them, I'd avoid the direct approach unless you're good looking, young, got friends just in case of trouble, and got money.... Just make it easy on yourself, take care of the alpha male of the group, and the whole cupboard will open to you.

Xe Om: So this is the rundown with a lot of these guys, some of them drive girls around all over Pham Ngu Lao. I see the same dudes and girls all the time. They are independent. Then there are the xe oms that get their girls from the local mafia representative. These girls are usually overpriced, as they got 3 chains of fees to go through. But if you like the girl, get their phone number. You can replace a girl if you do not like them. In my opinion the girls that cost $50 and $100 are exactly the same, minus the nicer clothes. I can always tell how long a girl has been doing the biz by how nice her clothes are. The Xe Om guys at the corner of Pham Ngu Lao and De Tham as well as the ones near Cyclo bar are pretty knowledgeable and have connections - but don't let them take you to 252 Ly Thai To!!!! Ask them for 'boom boom' if you are interested.

(Hot Toc: My) on Le Lai: The girls are 5-6s. You have to ask for the private room, where you negotiate what you want to do. The girls are in cute little polka dot dresses. The girl I got was cute, but not talkative, so I didn't want anything.

I've been to others, but the other good places are not in plain sight I can't list them all. The Bia Om places and the "Restaurants" in D1 are a plenty and they have 6-7s that will cater to your whim after you purchase a certain amount of food from the establishment. Just make sure that you negotiate with the girl as well as the mamisan or manager so there is no confusion as to what service you want.

If you want some more info or phone numbers of reliable people I've found in my adventures, you can PM me and I'd be happy to tell you more.

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I was trying to PM you about your above post from a year ago, but it said that you do not allow PMs anymore. I will be traveling to Saigon tomorrow night from California! I was wondering if there were any contacts and number that you could help supply me with to help me out on this trip. If you could, could you please PM me on it or post back. I would greatly appreciate any help.

Thanks a lot!

I usually don't spend a whole lot of time looking around for the best action so I had been going to a massage place with some relatively hot girls. Too expensive though. Anyway, about a month ago I got tired of paying too much and experimented with the hair wash girls on DBL. WOW, that was so much better than the massage places! Was able to finger the girl and had a relaxed BJ with CIM. But not knowing any better the girl kept holding up 7 fingers after the deed was done. I thought she wanted me to pay her 700 so I kept saying NO and then I proceeded to give her 200k. She warmly accepted the money and said thanks very appreciatively. So now I'm guessing she was only looking for 70k (same as the entrance fee) and I over tipped. Right? Well after reading through the forum I won't tip that much again at a hair place. So now here is my question. Should I be tipping 50k, 70k, 100k or the entrance fee amount at the hair places? I hear all sorts of numbers but I want to hear from someone who knows what the actual going rate is. I don't want to up the prices for everyone else but at the same time I want decent service when I return for my next hair wash.

Also, I'd like to thank Johndao for all his input. I've learned a lot.

[QUOTE=Tom Strander]I usually don't spend a whole lot of time looking around for the best action so I had been going to a massage place with some relatively hot girls. Too expensive though. Anyway, about a month ago I got tired of paying too much and experimented with the hair wash girls on DBL. WOW, that was so much better than the massage places! Was able to finger the girl and had a relaxed BJ with CIM. But not knowing any better the girl kept holding up 7 fingers after the deed was done. I thought she wanted me to pay her 700 so I kept saying NO and then I proceeded to give her 200k. She warmly accepted the money and said thanks very appreciatively. So now I'm guessing she was only looking for 70k (same as the entrance fee) and I over tipped. Right? Well after reading through the forum I won't tip that much again at a hair place. So now here is my question. Should I be tipping 50k, 70k, 100k or the entrance fee amount at the hair places? I hear all sorts of numbers but I want to hear from someone who knows what the actual going rate is. I don't want to up the prices for everyone else but at the same time I want decent service when I return for my next hair wash.

Also, I'd like to thank Johndao for all his input. I've learned a lot.[/QUOTE]

Dinh Bo Linh is quite a long street. Got any more detail? One shop or several?

It is that stretch where all the girls are visible from outside the shops. I'm just looking for a decent tip amount. I don't want to short the girls but I don't want to overpay like most foreigners do.

[QUOTE=Tom Strander]I usually don't spend a whole lot of time looking around for the best action so I had been going to a massage place with some relatively hot girls. Too expensive though. Anyway, about a month ago I got tired of paying too much and experimented with the hair wash girls on DBL. WOW, that was so much better than the massage places! Was able to finger the girl and had a relaxed BJ with CIM. But not knowing any better the girl kept holding up 7 fingers after the deed was done. I thought she wanted me to pay her 700 so I kept saying NO and then I proceeded to give her 200k. She warmly accepted the money and said thanks very appreciatively. So now I'm guessing she was only looking for 70k (same as the entrance fee) and I over tipped. Right? Well after reading through the forum I won't tip that much again at a hair place. So now here is my question. Should I be tipping 50k, 70k, 100k or the entrance fee amount at the hair places? I hear all sorts of numbers but I want to hear from someone who knows what the actual going rate is. I don't want to up the prices for everyone else but at the same time I want decent service when I return for my next hair wash.

Also, I'd like to thank Johndao for all his input. I've learned a lot.[/QUOTE]Thanks Tom. To answer your question, 100k is a fine tip for BBBJ with CIM at one of these palces. That's all that's needed or expected here. You could get away with equaling the house charge of 60 or 70 or 80k, whatever the places charges. I'd do that if I was unhappy with the girl, like no CIM or a tip-bobbing, spit after 3 bobs type. But these places usually dump those girls pretty quick, so 100k is a fine tip and nobody will be sincerely unhappy with that, although you may come across some whiners/fakers who pretend they are being cheated because the guy looks easy.

Short answer: 100k tip ONLY

Also, as others have mentioned, it would be helpful if you would give better directions to a shop or shops you have used. I don't usually go to DBL because 1) it is far from home 2) it's a one way street, so difficult to cruise back and forth to find a place 3) quite a number of shops are HJ only and it's difficult to determine the BJ from HJ only shops without a lot of trial and error or simply asking up front.

I'd be willing to check one out that does BJ for sure if you give better directions.

[QUOTE=Johndao]Short answer: 100k tip ONLY

Also, as others have mentioned, it would be helpful if you would give better directions to a shop or shops you have used. I don't usually go to DBL because 1) it is far from home 2) it's a one way street, so difficult to cruise back and forth to find a place 3) quite a number of shops are HJ only and it's difficult to determine the BJ from HJ only shops without a lot of trial and error or simply asking up front.

I'd be willing to check one out that does BJ for sure if you give better directions.[/QUOTE]Hi johndao,

Can you please give me a cross street to the hop toc place you are referring to here?

Thanks in advance!

So the stretch of DBL I'm referring to is the area with all the visible girls in the hair shops near where DBL intersects with Bach Dang street. To get to the shop I was referring to earlier, if you start out at the intersection of DBL and Nguyen Xi and drive toward Bach Dang, you don't need to go very far, it's one of the first shops you'll see. Just after the first stop light (I think it is the first). It is across the street from a large (though a little hidden) coffee shop. By the way, if you go in the evening, I suggest you visit that coffee shop across the street when you've finished. It's lit up with green lights out in front. All open air with trees and man-made lakes, streams and a few fountains. Anyway I find it relaxing - I get the rum sec and coke - they don't really have any other alcohol to choose from.

Oh and a word of warning. I just visited that place again yesterday and didn't see the girl from before. I chose another girl that was decent looking but did not receive the CIM - I was a very disappointed because I had been expecting it. I was surprised though that the girl didn't ask for any tip upstairs, instead when I reached for my wallet she just waved me to go downstairs. I wondered if she could see how disappointed I was and wasn't expecting much. When I handed the front desk 150k they wrote down 70k on a piece of paper as if I had given them too much. I paid 150k at the desk (70 to the house 80 to her) and she was very appreciative. I think I'll check out one of the other places next time along that same stretch of DBL later this week.

BTW, I looked for the BJ places you talked about along DBP (I assume Dien Bien Pho) but didn't see any obvious hair wash places except one that another member had mentioned but it looked very dumpy so I didn't expect any cute Vietnamese girls inside (maybe my assumption was wrong). Can you give me a number or intersection?

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Oh, one more thing. If a Hot Toc place does HJ only, what kind of compensation is expected? 50k?

[quote=tom strander]btw, i looked for the bj places you talked about along dbp (i assume dien bien pho) but didn't see any obvious hair wash places except one that another member had mentioned but it looked very dumpy so i didn't expect any cute vietnamese girls inside (maybe my assumption was wrong). can you give me a number or intersection?

oh, one more thing. if a hot toc place does hj only, what kind of compensation is expected? 50k?[/quote]yes, the places on dbp are pretty dumpy and i think most would not appreciate them, correct on no cute girls inside. well, maybe sometimes, but unlikely. dbl is a much better choice, more shops, more girls.

about the tip question above, it's hard to answer. the answer is really that the tip is usually the same for hj or bj, that's why i prefer bj shops. it's not necessarily considered a higher level service by some. often hj places are cleaner and more regulated, with some kind of real massage as well, as in hotel mp or therapeutic health massage, ended with hj. it's not sex, it's relaxation, prostate relief, or whatever. many stunners work in hj only places. they feel safer and cleaner and with almost no risk of disease. they don't think of themselves as sex workers. they may be looking to meet men for much more profitable outside liaisons. they look down on those in bj shops as dirty. but they still expect 100k for their looks, time and service.

i went to a cafe om on phan van tri recently, numer 379. there were two girls working. a tall, pretty, flat-faced girl and a very cute young 18-year-old. the 18 yo was so pretty and wearing lots of makeup for that kind of place. real dirty place. she had her hair up in two round bunches at the top of her head. and she was wearing this funny shiny dark pink outfit, never seen anything like it in vn before. i wanted her in the back but she said she only does does hj, she's new, she doesn't know how to give bj. so i said it was ok, i would teach her to do it. she could do it with her hand but also her tongue and mouth a bit and i would show her what to do. so cute! she and the other girl discussed it and decided against. so i went for some great bj and affection with the other girl who was really wonderful as well. 100k including coffee, all done.

jd

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A little bit of news to brighten our days and nights.

Google Maps now has some decent maps of the streets of Saigon - they seem to extend with some detail past Phu My Hung in the south and up to the Dong Nai bridge.

If you have a street name then searchinf pretty easy and seems to be quite accurate. But if you only have abbreviations like DBG you will still need a street map with an index to figure it out.

Most of the Saigon street name abbreviations I have read used here on the Forum are:

DBP = Dien Bien Phu

DBL = Dinh Bo Linh

HBT = Hai Ba Trung

NPK = Nguyen Phi Khanh

NTMK = Nguyen Thi Minh Khai

XVNT = Xo Viet Nghe Tinh

DK = Dong Khoi

NKKN = Nam Ky Khoi Nghia

PMH = Phu My Hung (This is an area in District 7, not a street)

Any others, just ask me. Yes, the Google Maps are great, I tried them. There are pictures as well if you turn on that feature.

JD

Thanks JD, the list of abbreviations is helpful.

Regarding google maps, that really is helpful - I remember trying to look up addresses about a year ago with no luck - happy to hear they've updated their system.

Just an FYI, there are two other good websites for maps and directions here in VN. They are 1650km.com and diadiem.com. I believe diadiem is most popular with the local people. They're both in Vietnamese only but it's not too difficult to figure out how to use them. Though I guess this information may not be all that useful now that google has updated their maps.

I don't think I've ever seen a woman in HCMC dressed like this on the street in D1 in the middle of the afternoon before.