[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Opebo might disagree to that.[/QUOTE]Hehe, you mean Opebo comes across as a particularly happy guy? :-pJust teasing, I fully agree with what Opebo says in his response, anyway.
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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Opebo might disagree to that.[/QUOTE]Hehe, you mean Opebo comes across as a particularly happy guy? :-pJust teasing, I fully agree with what Opebo says in his response, anyway.
[QUOTE=Easy2007]First up, you are the customer and you decide what you want, what you are willing to pay and who it will be with. ............All I will say is; You are the customer You decide what you want You do what you want You take who you want You do not care what yesterdays girl thinks. Its your cash, not hers, if she pays you she can decide, if you pay her she has no right to complain about what you do afterwards.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the wise words but if you stick to what you say above, it is up to you / me / everybody (the customer) how much they want to tip as well?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]New ladies @ Sweet Massage[/QUOTE]NicDid you notice they are advertising a 17 year old, Natare!!!I thought anything under 18 could get you a jail sentence in Thailand??
[QUOTE=Sonic Bam]NicDid you notice they are advertising a 17 year old, Natare!!!I thought anything under 18 could get you a jail sentence in Thailand??[/QUOTE]I did not notice that. Strange. But I guess as long as you do not have any sexual contact it's fine. :DAnyway I wouldn't worry too much until I get there... Websites are all full of shit anyways. The place I like has my Fav girl on their Website marked as 19 years old >> she's in fact 26
It certainly is up to you. I mean, you might buy a loaf of bread from Tesco Lotus, and its tastes so good next time you refuse to pay the standard price and pay 100 baht over the price cause its so nice. Or you might have a room at the Sheraton Sukhumvit and be so impressed you refuse to pay the 6000 baht per night, but pay 8000 baht cause its so good.I think many people have not clicked into the Thai girls mind and how it works, they are business girls.If you show signs of weakness they will pounce on it, and they will manipulate it, and they will extract the cash from the "walking ATM", in some way or form.But, they are also business girls, and if they know you know what the score is, they will treat you just the same as anyone else, even their high payers, cause at the end of the day they are just selling pussy for money, and money is the thing they need.If you are a nice guy, they know you and you are considered "harmless" then they will go with you regardless of how much you pay.I generally find its the very insecure people, who need to pay more, to try to ensure everyone loves them, this helps them get over their insecurity and their inbuilt fear of rejection. Money for sex is a business in Thailand, and you get no points for over paying and over tipping, people who smile at you and jump into your arms really think you are stupid for paying more, but they love you for it :)[QUOTE=Sonic Bam]Thanks for the wise words but if you stick to what you say above, it is up to you / me / everybody (the customer) how much they want to tip as well?[/QUOTE][size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
By her looks she is not a day under 25.[QUOTE=Sonic Bam]Nic,Did you notice they are advertising a 17 year old, Natare!!!I thought anything under 18 could get you a jail sentence in Thailand??[/QUOTE]
No time for a decent follow up report. Just a couple of comments...@Easy2007 What the heck did I say about what I pay or tip? I never get involved in that discussion.@Centaurus... ?and I think TTG does, too, reading all his bullets.? I pretty much am with you and Nic. Interested but not concerned....I have a very clear idea about who's the client and who's the vendor.@Nic - I have lots of things in life to worry about. Reactions from working girls is not on that list, or not in the top 25 or 50, anyway. The internal politics of a democratic harem amuse me more than anything. It is nice to know somebody reads my ramblings...~TTG
[QUOTE=Canyon][QUOTE=Opebo]Let me be clear that I'm not advocating tipping for average performance, as Nic accused me of doing.[/QUOTE]LEt me make something very clear: I did not accuse you of anything. God is my English so bad that you can't even understand a 2 lines Post?I was just stating my opinion, and that all it is, an opinion, never said you were wrong or that I was right. Having said that, I fully agree with the below quoted because this is also what I do.[quote]What I'm saying is that if a girl goes above and beyond the call of duty and gives you a great time, performing at a very high level, I think a generous tip is in order[/quote]
Not a substantial sum or not, there is a very clear reason why Thailand is priced "attractively" for sex, its because the going rate is adhered to by the locals, there is lots of supply, and oversupply always means low prices.Standard service = Standard tips.This means when you go for your session, the girl is friendly, cute, does everything you want, gives you a couple of pops and generally is nice.Thats standard.I fail to see why anyone needs to over pay, and as I said earlier its generally only the insecure people who feel the need to over pay or over tip.EG - they want to see the girl again and they are dangling a carrot in front of her to make her want to see them again.Pure and simple, insecurity is why people over pay and over tip.Whilst that is their choice, the issue I have is it makes girls lazy, some become to expect to get 1500 baht for doing very little, and 2000 baht or 3000 baht for doing what they should be doing in the first place.This is not a nice scenario as I will give them a 500 baht tip or 1000 baht tip and tell them they were useless and not getting any more.This is the correct course of action, if they provide standard service you pay standard prices, and if they fail to provide the service you pay less.This keeps them on their toes, working hard and pleasuring all customers.You should not look at anything and compare to Western wages and lifestyles, you pay according the local market and local prices.I am lucky in that I get a fair share of newbies, who think that 1500 baht for FS is wonderful and they love you for it. They work hard, try hard and please.However, owing to our insecure friends who act like "walking ATM's" (yes thats what the girls call you behind your back, not the "Tilak" to your face) normally with a year the same girl who tried so hard for 1500baht now does not try hard at all, and is pestering for more and more money for doing less and less.So yes, those insecure types who think they can buy love by flashing cash, do spoil the market for everyone. And that does not matter if you earn 50K or 150K a year, a spoiled market is a spoiled market.In general for Bangkok :Hand Job = 500 baht tipBlow Job = 1000 baht tipFS = 1500 baht tipShort time = 1000 to 1500 baht tipLong time = 2000 baht tip.Now the girls have learnt many ways to get more, like they will be half way through a hand job and say "you know many cheap charlie just pay 500 baht tip for special". "or they will be half way through a hand job and say "you want finish? 1000 baht for hand job", or they will get the 500baht and then look at you with indignance and puppy eyes as if to say "you cheap bastard" and hope you give them some extra, or they will keep saying after the event that it was "so much hard work, they are so tired now" or they will Polish your ego during the event by saying all sorts of lovely things about your body and skills, or. Well the list is endless.To the Thai Girl, this is a game, its all about getting the farang customer to pay more, simple as that. They will love you no more for it, or like you no more, you simply go to the top of their "walking ATM" list.Those who pay standard prices for service, and less for bad service will always say the insecure men who think they have to "buy" good service or buy holiday love spoil the market.Those who like to over pay and tip lots of tip will always call the men, secure enough they do not need to bribe, who do not pay more or tips "cheap charlies".Quite simply, those who sling around the "cheap charlie" talk are in fact well "trained by the Thai Girls". You are under their spell and they are withdrawing from the ATM [QUOTE=Canyon][QUOTE=Opebo]However, a middle-class man from the US or Western Europe would make around $75, 000 US per year or $6, 250 per month. In this context, 1, 000 baht or $29 is not a significant sum of money. Even 2, 000 baht or $58 US is not a substantial sum for someone in that income bracket.[/QUOTE][size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Opebo might disagree to that.I for one don't overtip. Tip is considered a monetary reward for great performance so if the performance was ok, why tip?[/QUOTE]Originally Posted by CanyonIn my experience, the men who fight for the last baht are really not very happy and really don't enjoy life as much as the more generous people. Quote:Originally Posted by Canyon[QUOTE=Opebo]Let me be clear that I'm not advocating tipping for average performance, as Nic accused me of doing. LEt me make something very clear: I did not accuse you of anything. God is my English so bad that you can't even understand a 2 lines Post?I was just stating my opinion, and that all it is, an opinion, never said you were wrong or that I was right. Having said that, I fully agree with the below quoted because this is also what I do.Quote:What I'm saying is that if a girl goes above and beyond the call of duty and gives you a great time, performing at a very high level, I think a generous tip is in order Nic,Your English is fine. I only wish my French were as good as your English. Don't get so upset. In your first post above, you accurately quoted me to the effect of advocating a generous tipping policy and not fighting for the last baht. After posting my quote, then you say that "I for one don't overtip." In this context, the logical inference is that you disagree with my quote and imply that I'm in favor of overtipping.In any case, after reading more of your posts, I don't think we have any fundamental disagreements.Canyon
[QUOTE=Canyon]Nic,Your English is fine. I only wish my French were as good as your English. Don't get so upset. In your first post above, you accurately quoted me to the effect of advocating a generous tipping policy and not fighting for the last baht. After posting my quote, then you say that "I for one don't overtip." In this context, the logical inference is that you disagree with my quote and imply that I'm in favor of overtipping.In any case, after reading more of your posts, I don't think we have any fundamental disagreements.Canyon[/QUOTE]I did not mean to disagree with you, in fact I am in agreement (I failed to make my point) LOL I know sometimes my writing can be abrupt, matbe the literal translation from the French words that come to my mind when I write.NExt time you're in BKK, let me know, would love to buy you a drink
[QUOTE=Easy2007]It certainly is up to you. I mean, you might buy a loaf of bread from Tesco Lotus, and its tastes so good next time you refuse to pay the standard price and pay 100 baht over the price cause its so nice. Or you might have a room at the Sheraton Sukhumvit and be so impressed you refuse to pay the 6000 baht per night, but pay 8000 baht cause its so good.[/QUOTE]This is a very poor analogy.I hate to tell you this, but a loaf of bread doesn't appreciate a tip, nor does a room, but some people might tip the room cleaning staff. People get tipped for service and the amount varies depending on the level of service and on the customer.I don't accept that everyone doing my job gets paid the same amount. I am more experienced and more knowledgable and thereofre can recognise problems and solve them faster and more correctly. I therefore get paid better than others.I am willing to pay girls differently depending on their level of expertise and hard work and how good it was for me. There is a psychological influence with more intellegent girls when someone knows the tip is going to based on their level of performance. Other girls may be just trying to do well enough to keep the customer coming back.If a girl has no desire to retain the customer, obviously the performance will be ordinary at best.
[QUOTE=Soap Fan]...People get tipped for service and the amount varies depending on the level of service and on the customer...[/QUOTE]Quite true, but we might also remember that when we pay the MP shop whatever for 2 hours, and agree with the girl an additional amount for HJ, BJ, or FS, THAT is the tip, or at least that is what the Thai guys are giving them. Only if the girl goes over and beyond what you expected of her should additional sums be given, IMHO.
[QUOTE=Tfutfu]In my opinion this words should be written in big letters at the arrival from Suvarnabhumi Airport.[/QUOTE]Exactly what would be the point?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]New ladies @ Sweet Massage on Sukhumvit Soi 39[url]http://www.sweetmassage39.com/[/url][/QUOTE]All of the girls look pretty good. Any that stood out in service?Slim