Jakarta

Emporium: I did it last year and lured a girl to my hotel. She initially wanted 1.5 million and then came for 1 million. She made it clear to me, though, that she only had a limited window of time and could only be away for a certain period of time on specific days. She seems to be connected to the Emporium. In the end, you can save yourself the trouble and just play at the Emporium. Don't forget, you're also ruining the "boss's" business if you lure her out, and I don't know if that always ends well in Indonesia! By the way, I gave the smallest tip, so it doesn't really matter how much you give. I think the women feel rich just because you come there. Oh, and the tip slip thing must be old and doesn't exist anymore. That's probably why the prices are higher. Now I still don't know what the best time is to go to the Malio Hotel.

I decided to create a general map layout of the area for those who are hesitant or nervous going into the establishment.

NOTE:

1. The layout is not to scale and the layout is just an approximate estimate.

2. I have never been past the snooker table so I am unsure what lies beyond that area.

3. Areas maybe listed incorrectly as I am relying on my memory.

4. If the layout looks whack, that's because it is, the room is shaped like a polygon. The club is not rectangular and so the angles that I have drawn maybe out by many degrees.

Please refer to the attachment below for your reference:

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3038651] {Snip} My picks there: Ascott, Mandarin Oriental, Pullman and 4 points by Sheraton.[/QUOTE]Thank for posting this info, very useful to me. Does anyone know if either of these hotels have a decent lobby / bar freelancer scene?

[QUOTE=KimJongil;3039191]For you classic experts out there, I just got back from my first time and had some questions. For T2, if the chick just bails after the first drink should I just assume that she vetted herself and it would've been shit or do I need to be more explicit in what I want (like the drink was to vibe check and she obviously failed). For BBFS, they gave me the pay what you think it's worth. What's the going tip here? I'm looking for a reasonable tip value that they are happy with, but I'm not overpaying.[/QUOTE]If you want the girls to sit and drink with you, normally you have to pay for that. An hour of sitting with you costs the same as an hour in the room. Other than that, you're not expected to spend more than a few minutes with the girl by your table, to check them out, before deciding to pay them for an hour, either in the room, or to hang out. If after a few minutes you don't do that, they'll leave so they can get a customer.

Not overpaying is what helps Jakarta remain attractive, though some don't understand that unfortunately, and make all sorts of obscure comparisons, with the price of a camel in Bahrain, or a cup of coffee in Hawaii, or what have you not.
100k is a reasonable tip for that IMO, and I have the impression that puts me in the "ok" category. Neither too cheap, nor too rich.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3039293]If you want the girls to sit and drink with you, normally you have to pay for that. An hour of sitting with you costs the same as an hour in the room. Other than that, you're not expected to spend more than a few minutes with the girl by your table, to check them out, before deciding to pay them for an hour, either in the room, or to hang out. If after a few minutes you don't do that, they'll leave so they can get a customer.

Not overpaying is what helps Jakarta remain attractive, though some don't understand that unfortunately, and make all sorts of obscure comparisons, with the price of a camel in Bahrain, or a cup of coffee in Hawaii, or what have you not.
100k is a reasonable tip for that IMO, and I have the impression that puts me in the "ok" category. Neither too cheap, nor too rich.[/QUOTE]I have heard several times in Classic and Travel that Chinese people don't tip at all, which would surprise me if it were true.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3039293]If you want the girls to sit and drink with you, normally you have to pay for that. An hour of sitting with you costs the same as an hour in the room. Other than that, you're not expected to spend more than a few minutes with the girl by your table, to check them out, before deciding to pay them for an hour, either in the room, or to hang out. If after a few minutes you don't do that, they'll leave so they can get a customer.

Not overpaying is what helps Jakarta remain attractive, though some don't understand that unfortunately, and make all sorts of obscure comparisons, with the price of a camel in Bahrain, or a cup of coffee in Hawaii, or what have you not.
100k is a reasonable tip for that IMO, and I have the impression that puts me in the "ok" category. Neither too cheap, nor too rich.[/QUOTE]I agree, sometimes I find locals just pay for the girl to spend time with them on the table and they would order a few drinks. I would have thought that sometime during the end they would take them to the backroom and do the deed right? Nope, they just pay for table service and leave after they are finished with the drinks.

So in essence a lot of the locals treat it as a cabaret club. I also had asked the mamasan if I could play cards with the girls and she said yes as all I need to do was pay for the time. (I didn't go through with it in the end as my friends bailed out on me).

If you treat is a cabaret, then spending $18 isn't that bad if you put in that kind of perspective.

[QUOTE=KimJongil;3039191]For BBFS, they gave me the pay what you think it's worth. What's the going tip here? I'm looking for a reasonable tip value that they are happy with, but I'm not overpaying.[/QUOTE]If the girl insists on negotiating a fixed tip for BBFS, we usually end up at 300 k, though I feel 200 might be possible with a few ones.

I very much prefer when the girl doesn't negotiate at all or is happy with a general promise of a tip, because it doesn't break my flow. In these cases I give 300 voluntarily. Why would I give less tip to a girl that actually delivered a better service?

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3039255]I decided to create a general map layout of the area for those who are hesitant or nervous going into the establishment.

NOTE:

1. The layout is not to scale and the layout is just an approximate estimate.

2. I have never been past the snooker table so I am unsure what lies beyond that area.

3. Areas maybe listed incorrectly as I am relying on my memory.

4. If the layout looks whack, that's because it is, the room is shaped like a polygon. The club is not rectangular and so the angles that I have drawn maybe out by many degrees.

Please refer to the attachment below for your reference:[/QUOTE]Fuck dude you should be a cartographer. This is 100% spot on correct in waaay more detail than I could have imagined. Reminder to others. As you see bathrooms are on the left. So if you want to skip the mamasan gauntlet, the take an immediate left before engaging them and head to the toilet.

Só funny. I have one of my classic girls phone numbers and because I arranged a date with her via her mamasan, I have the mamasans number also. So I am browsing WhatsApp status of my girls around the world and who shows up but Mamasan Chaca! 😝 Pictures of her with her friends. Her food etc. Next I notice that when I post status mama Chaca is always one of the first to view and like it. Hahaha no harm no foul just an interesting little connection 12000 miles away. Small world.

Absolutely incredible and accurate, can some kind soul mark this as a 'report of distinction'. Well done Jimmy boy.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3039255]I decided to create a general map layout of the area for those who are hesitant or nervous going into the establishment.

NOTE:

1. The layout is not to scale and the layout is just an approximate estimate.

2. I have never been past the snooker table so I am unsure what lies beyond that area.

3. Areas maybe listed incorrectly as I am relying on my memory.

4. If the layout looks whack, that's because it is, the room is shaped like a polygon. The club is not rectangular and so the angles that I have drawn maybe out by many degrees.

Please refer to the attachment below for your reference:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3039293]If you want the girls to sit and drink with you, normally you have to pay for that. An hour of sitting with you costs the same as an hour in the room. Other than that, you're not expected to spend more than a few minutes with the girl by your table, to check them out, before deciding to pay them for an hour, either in the room, or to hang out. If after a few minutes you don't do that, they'll leave so they can get a customer.[/QUOTE]Usually the girl will stay with the customer until her mama comes back and won't get away by herself if everything is fine for her. Mama can take a lot of time before coming back, I've experienced 30 minutes or more sometimes.

I would guess if a girl moves away from her customer after he paid her a drink (assuming she drank it and left shortly after), it's either a problem of communication or she was not feeling comfy going with that guy and has nothing to do with the guy not giving clear directions after a few minutes.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3039056]My problem is that I need to walk in an open space every other day, or I'll get depressed.[/QUOTE]Finding "walking" sidewalks anywhere in Jakarta is a task. One solution is to have your shrink prescribe a healthy dose of SSRIs to smooth out your moods. Then the North won't feel so dumpy, at least to you. And you can keep a lot closer to the troughs of Kota like everybody else. Win win. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3039056]There are definitely decent hotels in the north. My problem is that I need to walk in an open space every other day, or I'll get depressed. And I think there is not a single walkable sidewalk in all of North Jakarta, at least in the part where we guys use to hang out. It is so bad that I usually take a grab for every distance over 500 m, or 300 m if I need to cross a street.[/QUOTE]Movenpick is just 15 min walk or 5 min ride north of the national monument. My suggestion is stay there (there are also cheaper places a few blocks away) to be within spitting distance of Malio / emporium /1001/ classic and an easy walk or grab to a certainly walkable park in the national monument. Best of both worlds IMO.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3039297]I agree, sometimes I find locals just pay for the girl to spend time with them on the table and they would order a few drinks. I would have thought that sometime during the end they would take them to the backroom and do the deed right? Nope, they just pay for table service and leave after they are finished with the drinks.

So in essence a lot of the locals treat it as a cabaret club. I also had asked the mamasan if I could play cards with the girls and she said yes as all I need to do was pay for the time. (I didn't go through with it in the end as my friends bailed out on me).

If you treat is a cabaret, then spending $18 isn't that bad if you put in that kind of perspective.[/QUOTE]I am also considering this option, but only for time when I need to recharge between shots, the girls are no good for conversation unless you are fluent in bahasa or they know little bit of english. I worry about this approach a little bit though as in other places I have seen girls choose the easier option (rather than having sex) for the same money (its only logical to work less for same amount of money).

Soon you will find that the girl doesn't perform in room at all because she can see her friend earn the same amount of money for not doing anything and she wishes the same or compares herself to the friend and asks for more money in tips for more work that she is doing. It is a catch 22.

That being said I have seen many Asian clientale doing this, ordering fruits, food, drinks on table just for the company.

BTW @werqweq, most of the girls I have been with were also happy with 50 k tip, some were even overjoyed. I went with the standard deed ofc didn't ask for anything extra so the tip was just a freebie, ofc I didn't tip the girls who didn't perform and tried to rush me through the act.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3039448]I am also considering this option, but only for time when I need to recharge between shots, the girls are no good for conversation unless you are fluent in bahasa or they know little bit of english. I worry about this approach a little bit though as in other places I have seen girls choose the easier option (rather than having sex) for the same money (its only logical to work less for same amount of money).

Soon you will find that the girl doesn't perform in room at all because she can see her friend earn the same amount of money for not doing anything and she wishes the same or compares herself to the friend and asks for more money in tips for more work that she is doing. It is a catch 22.

That being said I have seen many Asian clientale doing this, ordering fruits, food, drinks on table just for the company.[/QUOTE]There are a few girls with limited English speaking abilities but in the end we all used google translate, and it was pretty seamless to be honest. I believe some of the girls would rather spend time on the table with a customer than mindlessly bore away on the Sofa. Some of these girls would rather do something else as they aren't allowed to move away from their sofa spot. I feel bad for them at times. I'm not sure what there working shifts are but sometimes I see the same girl from 2 pm to 2 am.

To be honest, the girls seem excited once they get on the table with the customer as they would be happy if you order them a drink and they'll join you for a smoke if your allow them too. A lot of the locals or some other foreign customers that take these girls on the table don't expect much and neither do the girls either. These girls just sit on your lap and mindlessly smoke away.