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[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1505496]The girls each pay 85 Euro for working each day there. They also can stay in the premises for 20 Euro per night, a real bargain.[/QUOTE]I didn't know this. I wonder what the average take home amount for a girl for a day is. 85e seams pretty significant for club entry. It's interesting how there are plenty of nice looking girls willing to come into this small club with such high entrance. Small clubs could be interest to some girls since there are no room wait times, and probably less stressful than big clubs. Clubs like PHG I believe has a fixed entrance much lower for the week and they could stay in the house. That probably brings girls into that club. I could see the low entrance and lodging in house at the NRW since most of the girls are new there.

It's interesting how they pay more than us so that they can make their net positives. I wonder how the girls pay off the entrance fee to make a profit. 20e a night could be helpful to them as the hotel average seems to be around 40-50e and would save them cab fares. Girls like German Charlene was making good money I'm sure as I dropped 200e on her one time after normal 50e session.

Also, I wonder how a new club find enough girls to work for a club. Do they offer free or low entry in the beginning? Do the managers have ties to the bikers gangs? Well, there is plenty of Romanian girls wanting to work in clubs so you can always count on them I guess. The club owner of Sakura told me on opening day the clubs had a long line and many girls came to work there and than the business went down and the line-up is quite thin now.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker; 1505567]I didn't know this. I wonder what the average take home amount for a girl for a day is. 85e seams pretty significant for club entry. It's interesting how there are plenty of nice looking girls willing to come into this small club with such high entrance. Small clubs could be interest to some girls since there are no room wait times, and probably less stressful than big clubs. Clubs like PHG I believe has a fixed entrance much lower for the week and they could stay in the house. That probably brings girls into that club. I could see the low entrance and lodging in house at the NRW since most of the girls are new there.

It's interesting how they pay more than us so that they can make their net positives. I wonder how the girls pay off the entrance fee to make a profit. 20e a night could be helpful to them as the hotel average seems to be around 40-50e and would save them cab fares. Girls like German Charlene was making good money I'm sure as I dropped 200e on her one time after normal 50e session.

Also, I wonder how a new club find enough girls to work for a club. Do they offer free or low entry in the beginning? Do the managers have ties to the bikers gangs? Well, there is plenty of Romanian girls wanting to work in clubs so you can always count on them I guess. The club owner of Sakura told me on opening day the clubs had a long line and many girls came to work there and than the business went down and the line-up is quite thin now.[/QUOTE]Also on the day off it is bit cheaper for girls to stay there, but girls told me they have to work minimum 3 days or I think it was 4 days, then she can take day off. This apply to avoid girls not to just sleep there as rooms for girls are limited and always fully occupied. So unless they get some emergency situation like really sick or hurt, girls apparently have to work 3 or 4 days in the row. Also when they get sick, they are allowed to be sick for two days and sleep upstairs in the room to rest, but when third day she is still suck, she has to go home. Apparently this is the rule of Artemis, I do not know about other clubs. I am not sure if girls told me the truth, but few girls tell me similar things and as system of the club, it make sense as they cannot be hostel or host family for all working girls. In the end it is like hotel facility that uses girls (one side of guest) to attract other side of guests by making girls work, so if they do not work, men do not come, so it makes sense.

Man how did you drop 50 euro on her with normal 30min session LOL Ah with anal and cim or anal and little tip? Sometimes I tip too but I begin to think it is stupid as some guys get the same level service for much cheaper price LOL Well if there are something extras then I do not mind, but you pay more because you think you get more intense session but that what she does to everybody for cheaper price LOL it is hardknock life for clients in fkk too sometimes LOL.

Ok ok, let be fair, in GT Fiorentina in 2011 had notorious reputation for servie, but to me at the beginning she was terrible service provider, good BJ but you know no woodman style things, but after I begin to go with her few times and she begins to feel relaxed with me, then her service got really improved, with some girls it is nice from the beginning, some like you later and session get better, some just always give bad service, so in the end, it is money yes, but also it has got to do alot with their feelings, mood, timing etc. In the end girls are human and not products, I always tell myself this and try to be nice as I can, but not too nice then girls definitely take advantage of you, I think most important thing is to use charm and also money to discuss with girls what you want, what you get for how much prior to session, you don't always get exactly that, but girls often try her best and you cannot expect to enslave the girls to exactly how you want her, so in the end for me it is all cool.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker; 1505515]I agree. I don't see why Berlin doesn't have other clubs. A German fellow told me there are many clubs in Dusseldorf because there are more wealthier people there so there would be more disposable income there (although paid sex in Germany in general is not all that expensive). I would like to see more cheaper options open up in Berlin to compete with Artemis. What puts me off from going to Berlin is that Artemis is the only club and the price of the club which is 80 entry and 60 per session. In NRW, it's much more reasonable with 50 first half and 25 after and much lower extras with 25 CIM and 50 Anal. So pricing and lack of other options for clubs puts me off from visiting Artemis. Going there and back to NRW is waste of time and money (fares) for me. I like that Hessen and NRW are not that far apart and have girls that offer good services.

Also, I've noticed that clubs are usually in industrial areas away from neighborhoods. Not sure if there are plenty of open areas like that to build a new FKK in Berlin...[/QUOTE]Ok, I do not like going to Berlin simply there is only Artemis and if girls are bad at Artemis, you are finished. I mean there are no other option, so for me going to berlin is too much risk where as Frankfurt has Oase and palace and few more options, so it is better. I never been to oase though, for me palace was jackpot when I went, but alot of upsale in palace. But when you pay you get what you want woodman style thing, only one I could not break completely was July (blonde girl from Germany, hot hot girl) , she was hard horse to break, but she did anal so I did her hardcore woodman style instead and with anal she could take alot and she was willing too, but I could not get her to do DFK, only little bit, she see too much of that movie Pretty woman. Well other than that she was good anal session.

Back to topic, even though berlin is not the place for fkk and if Artemis line up is not good then you are pretty finished, I like the Berlin as a city, I mean it is cultural, people in the city are nice and friendly, speak English, historical background of the city etc. But if Artemis is bad. Then I am fucked! There are time Artemis line up is so bad that I only go with one or two girl everyday same girl for 12 straight days. I mean all the way to germany and two girls only. I do fuck the hell out of her but I prefer variety of beauties, even then I only go with only with my type and keep my hardle up high. You always find someone along the way, but sometimes you meet her toward the end of the trip then it is fucked up. Fkk is like Lotto, you got to be lucky with line up so it is best for flying in punter like me to goto more fkk concentrated area and it sound like NRW mainly decceldorf regions are the best place for people like me to base myself for my fkk trips as there are so many options, it is a shame I only went to Goldentime once, I do not remember line up there too much because I was always with Fiorentina once I broke her in to my way, but I will be there as it sound like the place for my taste. Only thing it bother me via forum is that there are alot of romanians and I do not have high hope for Romanian girls service inn general, hard to break in, but German girls I prefer and sound like there are less but considerable amount of German girls or german raised girls in goldentime so that sound like a deals to me.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1505496]I think it is really easy for these folk to make a great return on investment. Let's take the club I frequent the most: Mainhattan. The girls each pay 85 Euro for working each day there. They also can stay in the premises for 20 Euro per night, a real bargain. So each girl pays the house 105 Euro per day assuming they stay in the confines of the establishment. So, let's assume for the bigger clubs, that they have a cool 100 girls a day looking for business. That is at least 10, 500 Euro per day, just from the girls. The entry fee is 60 Euro per day. Once again, let's say they average 100 punters per day. That's another 6, 000 Euro per day. So, that means they make (Estimate only guys, this is a total guess) , if the club is as big as the one in Saauerbruken. 16, 500 Euros per day. For the year, that will add up to 6, 022, 500 Euros. Take about 1, 200, 000 Euros for operations (Food, drinks, support staff salaries, insurance, etc) , and you still have quite a hefty profit even if they pay 50% or 60% in taxes, and that's each year. They are not hurting for cash, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]Well approximately or even negatively, it seems it is possible to get back investment return within 2.5 years to 3 years max. Then this is real good investment.

So I wonder, if it is so, why there are not many FKK opening up in Germany? I mean I can still count all the fkk clubs in Germany as it is many but not that many that cannot be count.

There must be reason why? Local gangs or people who already operate fkk won't let you into business and disturb or threaten you or need strong political / police connection to open? I mean there must be reason beside moral blocking to open fkk in Germany.

I mean also investment is not that big it is like 4 million euro and it sound like they have few investers, so there are many many companies or individual who can easily pay that, so if the investment return is promising as it seems and also years to get back investment is such a short term then I wonder what blocking more FKK to be open. Licensing issue? Or?

I mean look at berlin, if you open one like Artemis, it is sure hit. There is only one in the region. NRW Frankfurt will be harder as it is mecca for fkk.

Included within the 85 Euros is their taxes / health care/other fees they must pay to the German authorities in order for them to make a living there. This is why from time to time you hear of the Police checking the girls documentation in order for them to work. They must register in the city they choose to work as a sex worker with that city's authorities. It all depends on the city (City hall, police station, labor office, etc) where they register and it helps give the girl some protection from pimps and cases of "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] we hear so much about. In theory, no girl there is working against her will, they are there to make a living. Remember, all they need I'd three 30 minute sessions and they are in the black. For the more productive girls, it is really easy. I've see on one occasion a girl walk out with over 1500 Euros in one day. But she was really good!

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker; 1505567]I didn't know this. I wonder what the average take home amount for a girl for a day is. 85e seams pretty significant for club entry. It's interesting how there are plenty of nice looking girls willing to come into this small club with such high entrance. Small clubs could be interest to some girls since there are no room wait times, and probably less stressful than big clubs. Clubs like PHG I believe has a fixed entrance much lower for the week and they could stay in the house. That probably brings girls into that club. I could see the low entrance and lodging in house at the NRW since most of the girls are new there.

It's interesting how they pay more than us so that they can make their net positives. I wonder how the girls pay off the entrance fee to make a profit. 20e a night could be helpful to them as the hotel average seems to be around 40-50e and would save them cab fares. Girls like German Charlene was making good money I'm sure as I dropped 200e on her one time after normal 50e session.

Also, I wonder how a new club find enough girls to work for a club. Do they offer free or low entry in the beginning? Do the managers have ties to the bikers gangs? Well, there is plenty of Romanian girls wanting to work in clubs so you can always count on them I guess. The club owner of Sakura told me on opening day the clubs had a long line and many girls came to work there and than the business went down and the line-up is quite thin now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YamaYama0519;1505335]Since a prostitute is an independent contractor, they have the right to decide their own 'price' by themselves. The flat rate policy in FKK is therefore against this thought.[/QUOTE]If the independent contractor decides to offer her services on a flatrate basis, who is to tell her that she can't? Take Club La Luna in Moers for example (as long as it's still open). On the website it says that the women are independent contractors, but they used to do All-inclusive days every MON & FRI all year long and even throw in an occasional 3-hour gangbang every now and then. Same with Club Angelique in Viersen, although they did the flatrate days only 4 to 5 times this year.

I tend to go to FKKs on non-peak nights. They aren't always full of customers. You see a lot of girls sitting around. I would say that it is quite difficult to have a steady stream of regular customers. Sex tourists, messe attenders and foreign businessmen are less frequent given the state of the global economy.

That leaves locals who reside in Germany / Netherlands. The married men don't really have the luxury to be regular customers. Those men are more likely to go to the RLD for a quickie. I mean, how can you get away from the wife and kids for four-plus hours? A possible excuse might be the occasional boys night out, I suppose. Or after the football team wins, one might go out for a "post-game celebration". That leaves single men. The young ones don't quite have the disposable income to be considered regular.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1505665]That leaves locals who reside in Germany / Netherlands. The married men don't really have the luxury to be regular customers. Those men are more likely to go to the RLD for a quickie. I mean, how can you get away from the wife and kids for four-plus hours? A possible excuse might be the occasional boys night out, I suppose. Or after the football team wins, one might go out for a "post-game celebration". That leaves single men. The young ones don't quite have the disposable income to be considered regular.[/QUOTE]Or just say you have to entertain foreign client for dinner, business dinner meeting. This could do for once a month or two times a month, every week maybe sound too BS maybe.

Or just say you go to gym work out, swim, sauna, etc. This can get you not 4 but 2 or maybe 3 hours.

Well, I am not married so it is easy for me to say, but if wife even make big fuss for above two reasons or even better reasons that I cannot think of. Why marry? It sound like a prison of some kind and you merely become ATM for the wife. In most extreme expression this is. Plus thinking in this extreme, you end up paying about 3million euro minimum for the money you spend on her for her companionship, sex etc. That are so called love. Which is cool, but I am too young for this now, I stick to fkk as it serves me better LOL But this is extremely each to their own, but if marriage do not even allow men to get away for even 3 or 4hours few times a month for whatever reason. It sound very bad move to make in life, at the same time, if fkk becomes the reason for divorce. Fkk visit could cost you half of your asset in some nation or at least a lot of money LOL

FKK is highly addictive and it is not recommended for married man. Because once you pop you cannot stop. Well I cannot ever never stop fkk, escort service or any type of mongering. I have been hooked ever since I was 17 or 18 and for 15 years straight I have been indulging myself in heavy sexual act using money / charm around the globe. I am addicted to this craft / hobby and I do not think this is bad addiction everyone has different hobby or life style and I am proud of mine. I cannot fuck older woman. It is not possible and I cannot even think the fact that when I go home there is old woman waiting for me. I understand the concept, but it is not for me, thanks to sex industry that I became like this, some may see it as a curse, I don't think so LOL it was awakening LOL

If I tell my true honest confession above to any woman I will get big time beating or even lynched LOL.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1505660]If the independent contractor decides to offer her services on a flatrate basis, who is to tell her that she can't? Take Club La Luna in Moers for example (as long as it's still open). On the website it says that the women are independent contractors, but they used to do All-inclusive days every MON & FRI all year long and even throw in an occasional 3-hour gangbang every now and then. Same with Club Angelique in Viersen, although they did the flatrate days only 4 to 5 times this year.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about freedom of choice of independent contractor. But the article was pointing out that it may lead to forced prostitution. I mean I also feel what article and politician was worry about, but with how I understood this kind of clubs, it is totally different to concept of fkk, so I consider it as another genre and type of club to fkk.

Sex in Germany is too cheap I think in general. At least it is much cheaper than where I am from and many other developed nation I went to. Cheap prices are offered in exchange to frequency of customers at fkk, so in the end girls can make more money than let say escort, but she has to do it more times in fkk for cheaper price. For me prices at fkk is just fine and in those flat rate clubs, it may serve somepeoples interest, but not mine and I just hope that German politician and also media stop their attack / complaint etc at there at that type of flat rate club AND do not come into fkk industry.

FKK industry is just fine and best format for both girls and clients. As for other flat rate club it is different genre to fkk. There was a protest outside Artemis few weeks ago apparently, I hope these protesters do that outside more hardcore clubs like flat rate club etc. As far as I know girls at fkk is not in most happiest moment of their life, but they are more or less satisfied with the fkk structure. At least comparison to other format of sex industry.

However, this recent movement in German politic and society worries punter like me as I do want to go to fkk even I am at 60 years old till the day I die. Let me live and die in fkk LOL

[QUOTE=Mr Ho;1505632]So I wonder, if it is so, why there are not many FKK opening up in Germany? I mean I can still count all the fkk clubs in Germany as it is many but not that many that cannot be count.[/QUOTE]Since 2002 the number of FKK / Sauna clubs in Germany has multiplied more than twenty-fold. State laws around prostitution in Germany are varying which explains the diffferent concentration of clubs in different parts in Germany. Berlin has always been a city with cheap appartments, kinos and escorts. A second FKK may be successfull, maybe not.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1505810]Since 2002 the number of FKK / Sauna clubs in Germany has multiplied more than twenty-fold. State laws around prostitution in Germany are varying which explains the diffferent concentration of clubs in different parts in Germany. Berlin has always been a city with cheap appartments, kinos and escorts. A second FKK may be successfull, maybe not.

HB[/QUOTE]There are rumors going around in Berlin saying there will be second Artemis near Tegel airport area, invested by same owner. Apparently rumor is quite solid, but they have not even begin to construction of it, so who knows. Berlin is attractive city too in many aspect, it is just that for fkk, you only got one shot which is artemis and lineup is bad there. Fly in like me is pretty much fucked.

I guess fkk friendly region is obviously NRW then LOL

Also Berlin being capital and all that, I am quite certain that the government do not want reputation of Germany to be sex free country Germany LOL Which for me is the actual image LOL I am sorry, but sexually I never been to any nation where it is so nice for sex beside Thailand. But for me Sex free country Germany comes first LOL I adore their freedom thinking concerning this area. I got goal of 1000 beautiful girls of my taste to fuck in my life time, and German fkk will contribute to my goal greatly and vice versa, I will contribute to German economy as well as economy of the girls I will meet in fkk. I am hooked and am proud of it.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker; 1505505]I don't recommend too much alcohol in the clubs as it reduces your likelyhood of finishing a session with a happy face. Or some girls say makes it difficult to get a drunk man hard. Alcohol does bring the mood up in the club though.

Here are a list of clubs that serves free beer.

GT and Living Room-free and many varieties in the fridge for taking in addition to wheat beer. I've seen wine and mixed drink served later at night.

PHG-Just like GT beer is free including wheat beer, and many varieties for the taking in the fridge. Never tried spirits there, and not sure if its free or cheap. Lots of alcohol drinkers here at this club. I believe girls are freely allowed to drink here. Many girls drink mixed drinks and dances, it's a party atmosphere at night.

Dolce Vita (Dusseldorf).free also, but only tap beer no varieties to choose from.

Maintattan-free, but same as Dolce Vita.

World-Same as both[/QUOTE]Thank you guys and The Cane as well, I appreciate your replies.

It's not that I'm an out and out drinker. Far from it, but as you say PussyLiccker; alcohol does bring the mood up and from my point of view having a couple of beers before engaging in carnal activity is a perfect normal & natural way of proceeding.

Although I did notice a girl at Oase recently whom appeared to have accepted and consumed rather too many beverages.

Since this a general question and not specific to any club- I thought this was a good forum to ask:

Has anyone ever had an FKK session with two girls at once?

If so I assume the price is just 50e for each girl for the half hour? Will they charge more if you want them to go down on each other?

[QUOTE=Biggut Eight; 1506152]Since this a general question and not specific to any club- I thought this was a good forum to ask:

Has anyone ever had an FKK session with two girls at once?

If so I assume the price is just 50e for each girl for the half hour? Will they charge more if you want them to go down on each other?[/QUOTE]Yeah I have been many times to the room with two girls. Last visit I went in Artemis with two girls. One girl is 60euro per 30min, so if you take two it is 120euro for 30minutes for two girls.

You can make them do lesbo show and it is included in price, CIM and anal are etc. If you do cim for one of them you only pay for that girl for cim.

I never took more than one girl to the room, I maybe try to take 3 girls to the room to do 4some, but hmmm I don't know.

I like threesome but it is not exactly my thing, I only like the double blow job part. Other part I get confused which one to suck or fuck LOL but double blow job wow I love!

Best threesome for me was I took July (blonde German) and Kimmi (blonde German one) in FKK Palace and wow that session was real. I still have flash back LOL

But I prefer doing one girl at once hard core style of woodman LOL.

[QUOTE=Mr Ho;1505670]Well, I am not married so it is easy for me to say, but if wife even make big fuss for above two reasons or even better reasons that I cannot think of. Why marry? It sound like a prison of some kind and you merely become ATM for the wife. In most extreme expression this is. Plus thinking in this extreme, you end up paying about 3million euro minimum for the money you spend on her for her companionship, sex etc. That are so called love. Which is cool, but I am too young for this now, I stick to fkk as it serves me better LOL But this is extremely each to their own, but if marriage do not even allow men to get away for even 3 or 4hours few times a month for whatever reason. It sound very bad move to make in life, at the same time, if fkk becomes the reason for divorce. Fkk visit could cost you half of your asset in some nation or at least a lot of money LOL.[/QUOTE]Legalized prostitution provides the perfect incentive for men to remain single. I mean, if you can get a good job with a good income, pay all your bills and invest for the future, and still bang multiple beautiful women from around the world (even fuck them in the ass Woodman-style LOL!) , then why mess that up by getting married to some nag who thinks it's her job to ruin (I mean "run" hehehe!) your life?

Marriage is simply another way for a man walking the straight and narrow to get a steady supply of pussy. It's the traditional way that society condones. And as you point out, a married man is "paying for it" just like anybody else here! I have a friend who married a foreign girl. Now, this guy is my friend but also an extremely unattractive dude. Nobody is going to fuck him for free (unless she's also extremely unattractive too, and even then she might decline since people always want things from others that they themselves cannot deliver LOL!). And yet, like any man he wants a steady supply of hootchie too. But, he's against "paying for it". So, he gets this reasonably attractive foreign girl to say yes (I fear just to get her ticket to America!).

So anyway, he paid all these fees and expenses to bring this much younger woman to the States. He spent all of this money putting cash down and taking out a loan to buy an expensive house. He's sending her to school to take some classes. Says they're planning on having a baby. More power to them if they're really in love, but I have some serious concerns. For one, why is it that she will never allow herself to be seen in public with the guy? LOL! And as you can see, the outflow of funds is on and on and on. I'm holding my breath in anticipation of the day when he must lose face by having to tell his friends she dumped him! I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I just got a feeling about it. And, it's not good.

Now, I'm not here trying to put down our married colleagues or to start a singles versus married contest. It's just that I get more than a little annoyed when the married types (basically non-mongers) come off all high and mighty about not paying for it, when in fact, that's exactly what they are doing too! Big time (wife, kids, cars, mortgages, in-laws, etc! Only, they're spending it all on one woman who will eventually stop fucking and sucking them like she did in the beginning, but she'll expect / demand that the man damn well better keep on providing financially! On top of it all, she's gotten fat, so you don't want to hunch off on her fat ass anyway LOL!

As a monger, I have fucked more hot girls over a ten-day period than my friend will ever fuck over his entire lifetime hahaha! And that's no exaggeration. What's that you say? It's not all about how many girls you can fuck? Well, let me put it this way. For your average red-blooded man worldwide, it is about trying to have a steady supply of pussy some way, some how. Conservative society tells us that the way to get that is through marriage. But, what traditional society is really doing is setting men up. Playing us for fools I tell you! Duping men into marriage and unhappiness! If you really want to be sexually fulfilled with a steady supply of attractive pussy over your lifetime (including being able to cornhole pretty girls in the butt) , then you can either be a rock star. Or, you can be a monger like us! Hahaha!

So yeah, I pay for it. But, so does a married man! The difference is that he spends his money on one woman, while I choose to spend mine on many. For me, my way is the better way for me and what I want. And then there are those guys who want to have their wife and their tutes too! That would be too much work and mental strain on me. Not to mention the financial ruin that would likely result from a divorce. Keep it simple I say by not trying to have your cake and eat it too. Monger and be free!