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Does anybody have the contact info of a recommended lawyer in Medellin?

Preferably one that speaks English. I'm looking for someone that has a business law background.

If you're looking to get laid with a non-pro on the first date, then Cuba is probably your best bet. Yet Cuba is an exception in so many ways, what else could you expect from a communist basket case country where 99% of the women under 30 would leave it if given the chance? Plus it's the Caribbean which is more sensual, laid back about sex, etc. So boasting about one's "success" in Cuba with the non-pros is like boasting about the fish you shot in the barrel! :)

If you can't stand the sight or touch of silicone, then Colombia may not be for you. I will also concede that Colombia has its share of fatties, especially as you go down into the lower-end venues. But in sum, I've seen and sessioned more flacas than gordas. Unless you absolutely insist in model-thin girls 100% of the time, it shouldn't be much of a problem. Just take a look at Cubanut's latest batch of pics from Casa Blanca, he doesn't seem to have any problem finding flacas, LOL! But if model-thin top-shelf is your thing, you'll have to do some more research and legwork and networking than just reading the ISG reports.

Finally, I've become skeptical over this monger "hat trick" of bedding a "non-pro" on the first date. I actually think that's more likely to happen in the states than in a Latin country, with the notable exceptions of Cuba (and Brazil in 2nd place); so there's no need to travel far if that's you're thing, there are better options or ways to achieve that.

And in any case, I suspect most of the colombianas your average gringo can close the deal with on the first date are either crazy sluts or part-time pros. In other words, you weren't the first guy they screwed on a first date and you most certainly won't be the last! LMAO! Maybe I'm getting too old and cynical, but what's the big deal here? I don't see much of a difference anymore between that and sessioning with a pro. And often enough, I prefer the straightforward dealing with the pro, than putting up with all the bs of the dating process with the "non-pro" not to mention her flakiness.

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]So eventually I switched back to "easy" girls. For me its much more fun than "non-pros". I can tell them anything I want, I can ask anything, I can change them anytime. They do not get offended. Still the amount of money spend is pretty much comparable. Instead of going to dinners, events, travel, gifts, the money goes directly to the "pros". So I guess it depends on what you like. You can chose what you want to do. For non-pros you definitely need much more time and nerves.[/QUOTE]This is why I prefer to pay for pussy! I like strange. I just want to fuck lots of different beautiful women. I dislike playing games and having to dance around the fact that I just want to fuck as soon as possible. If some guys like the chase and feeling of conquest of bedding a non pro then more power to them. If you've got a steady girl that's not a gold digger it may indeed be a little cheaper than paying for it all the time but like I said. I like strange. I like sticking my pecker in hot young girls that I just met not more than a few minutes ago.

I think if I ever did have the urge to chase after some non pro tail I would probably do it after I had already hit a casa or whatever. Bust my daily nut and then when I was dealing with the non pro I wouldn't be so horny and just thinking about trying to bone.

As a side note I think all my years of mongering have finally caught up to me. Now when I'm stateside and boning a "normal" girl I always feel like getting up and leaving as soon as I bust a nut. Even when she's at my place! It's like torture laying there with her afterward and wondering how I can get her to leave as soon as possible and still be able to get some at a later date.

Actually ime. The regular colombian girls and boys do not like surgery. It's kind of a subculture here. It's really not the social norm either. But once again the girls that are likely not to be operated are also the ones who want to hang out with you a month or two before they give up the poon.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]Hl Rey,

Thanks for your dos centavos! Your preferences give a clearly picture of why Colombia is not the best place for you. Like I've said many times. Everyone has their own tastes. I would agree. If you like slim and natural, Colombia might not be for you. I (and many others) like to call it the "boob capital" of the world. Colombianas are into plastic surgery. Boobs and ass. Again, if natural is your thing. Might want to look elsewhere. As for light and dark. If you like light, go to MDE. If you like dark, go to the coast. As for Mayorista and El Centro. They are no where close. In El Centro, I'm talking about the casas. It's where the new young, up and comers start out. You're likely find more naturals there (before they can afford their implants). As for girls that will sleep with you on the first date. Doesn't that make them a pro in a non-pro disguise? It's like saying you picked up a non-pro and fucked her on the first date in Sosua DR. Hello. There are no non-pros in Sosua DR (generalizing here). LOL

Different strokes for different folks![/QUOTE]

not sure i said cuba was easy for doing non-pros the first night. i think i said i have seen a shitload of disappointed mongers scraping themselves around the streets finding nothing. the good girls there are generally speaking scared to shit to just talk to a foreigner because that can get them in a world of shit with the authorities, their neighbors. or both.

in fact, i find cuba more and more uncharmiong and uninteresting in that aspect. 15 years ago it was amazing. not you have a a population thats frightened to talk with foreigners. and the putas, people say havana is full of hookers, but if you spend months there and hit the 5-7 big clubs on a regular basis, you will soon realize it's the same 100 hookers touring the clubs.

i don't mind silicone above so much. below i find it stupid. but that's because i never got into that fat-latin-booty thing. but i see there are loads of websites only with big-ass latinas, so it must be popular.

actually, my personal opinion is that south america as a whole has just about been ruined. i first started traveling there 15 years ago and it was great. too many of us gringos have been around and fucked too many girls. that is what has created this obsession down there of being/not being a hooker. which makes many girls stay away from a foreigner. this is just how i am seeing it. i could be wrong and just have lost my overview. and memories from back then may have been painted.

cubanut? what the heck are you talking about? i know you from before. i changed my name from traveling gring to this name a few days ago. because the first was always a typo. i think we've talked on the cuba forum in the past?

in any case, don't know the guy. and sure ain't the guy. ask jackson to check my ip. whatever.

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]Actually, my personal opinion is that South America as a whole has just about been ruined. I first started traveling there 15 years ago and it was great. Too many of us gringos have been around and fucked too many girls. That is what has created this obsession down there of being/not being a hooker. Which makes many girls stay away from a foreigner. This is just how I am seeing it. I could be wrong and just have lost my overview. And memories from back then may have been painted.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, but not completely.

There are still areas in SA where not many gringos travel or have traveled, and lots of good fun is still about.

I know where you´re coming from though and I feel the same way about the more traveled and popular destinations of SA.

Imo all pussy is P4P in one way or the other. There are 3 different, basic approaches and all acceptable and just a matter of personal preference.

#1- go to a casa like Atenea in MDE and pay about 30kCOP for an half hour. Or have Tony hook you up on the beach in CTG for a short time girl

#2- go to a place like LDV in CTG, find a pro there and pay about 200COP for TLN and then if you have a good connection extend it into a GFE and spend a few more days with her

#3- pickup some non-pro in a club, shopping mall, beach, etc.

Date 1- maybe just a coffee somewhere (25k)

Date 2-Take her to a nice dinner in Plaza San Pedro (100k or more depending on drink choices) then maybe dancing(another 50k for entrance and drinks)

Date 3- another dinner perhaps in Argentinean steak house(at least 100k) then more dancing and hopefully then she will go home with you and give up the pussy.

Hopefully she gives it up and you don't have to go on dates 4-5 to get what you want

Doesn't matter which strategy we use, we still always P4P(even back home) Each of us prefers different approaches and to each their own.

Right now I usually prefer #2, that doesn't make it the best way, its just the way I prefer at this time

Since there has been a lot of talk recently about #3, how to get that non-pro. I have just a few suggestions

1. LEARN SOME SPANISH, to score with a non-pro it is essential. Now you do not have to be fluent just a good background and then work on your spanish down in Colombia with a lovely "long haired dictionary"

2. Clothes- Colombia is NOT Pattaya. Do not go out at night in cargo shorts, a Singha beer tank top and sandals. Try long pants, button up shirt and nice shoes and your odds will go up significantly compared to the guy next to you in his "Thailand mongering uniform"

3. Dancing- the better dancer you are the easier it will be to pickup a non-pro. But do not be discouraged if you can't dance just try try try. Latinas love to dance(obviously) and enjoy teaching you how.

4. Age differences- it is very common for colombianas to date men 15 years or more older than they are. A good percentage of them actually prefer an older man. Age does not matter to them very much its your attitude. So if you are 55 and act young and energetic you will have much better luck than a 45 year old thats acts old and worn out. If you are 25, do not act like a frat boy on spring break in Cancun. Latinas prefer a little maturity in their men, in fact if I was 25 years old and in Colombia I would lie and say I was 32 years or something.

Anyways that my 2 pesos, doesn't matter what you do as long as you are enjoying yourself.

[quote=el rey de pollo]not sure i said cuba was easy for doing non-pros the first night. i think i said i have seen a shitload of disappointed mongers scraping themselves around the streets finding nothing. the good girls there are generally speaking scared to shit to just talk to a foreigner because that can get them in a world of shit with the authorities, their neighbors. or both.

in fact, i find cuba more and more uncharmiong and uninteresting in that aspect. 15 years ago it was amazing. not you have a a population thats frightened to talk with foreigners. and the putas, people say havana is full of hookers, but if you spend months there and hit the 5-7 big clubs on a regular basis, you will soon realize it's the same 100 hookers touring the clubs.

i don't mind silicone above so much. below i find it stupid. but that's because i never got into that fat-latin-booty thing. but i see there are loads of websites only with big-ass latinas, so it must be popular.

actually, my personal opinion is that south america as a whole has just about been ruined. i first started traveling there 15 years ago and it was great. too many of us gringos have been around and fucked too many girls. that is what has created this obsession down there of being/not being a hooker. which makes many girls stay away from a foreigner. this is just how i am seeing it. i could be wrong and just have lost my overview. and memories from back then may have been painted.

cubanut? what the heck are you talking about? i know you from before. i changed my name from traveling gring to this name a few days ago. because the first was always a typo. i think we've talked on the cuba forum in the past?

in any case, don't know the guy. and sure ain't the guy. ask jackson to check my ip. whatever.[/quote]i'm sure it must be a software glitch that has caused the poster mesco's posts to be combined with your travelling gring posts and now el rey de pollo posts. i'm convinced it has to be a glitch because after reading back through the history of your trip reports it's obvious to see that there are many inconsistancies in factual information reported by the 3 different (yet combined) poster names on various forums here, i.e., your age, expierences, etc. the only common traits the three posters appear to have is that they are antagonistic toward other posters, and as an astute poster so eloquently opined below---full of shit.

has to be a software glitch....right?

I will be coming up to Bogota this weekend for a few days. Is there a Bogota 101 FAQ anywhere? I'm used to places like Bangkok where newbs can get around the scene very easily. I don't speak any Spanish. What's my play? Searched the net. Found lots of minute details. But little general info on how newbs should proceed.

I must lack something in the brain-department, but don't understand nada of what you're saying. Please hook up with Jackson for an IP check or explain to me in simple words what combination you are talking about. Going through your own posting history you seem to have severe problems expressing yourself, even though I take it English is your primary language. So I take you calling me antagonistic and full of shit with a grain of salt. Allow me to call you a sorry sucker trying to suck up to veteran posters at every chance presented. I can't really call you full of shit, as you seem to have no opinions of your own, but your tongue must have a constant taste of shit from all the asslicking you're doing.

In any case, please explain to a full-of-shit retard like myself what the fuck you are talking about, and how many names you think I am posting under and how you would prefer to document that.

[QUOTE=Hilltopper]I'm sure it must be a software glitch that has caused the poster Mesco's posts to be combined with your Travelling Gring posts and now El Rey De Pollo posts. I'm convinced it has to be a glitch because after reading back through the history of your trip reports it's obvious to see that there are many inconsistancies in factual information reported by the 3 different (yet combined) poster names on various forums here, i.e., your age, expierences, etc. The only common traits the three posters appear to have is that they are antagonistic toward other posters, and as an astute poster so eloquently opined below---full of shit.

Has to be a software glitch....right?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcpublius]I will be coming up to Bogota this weekend for a few days. Is there a Bogota 101 FAQ anywhere? I'm used to places like Bangkok where newbs can get around the scene very easily. I don't speak any Spanish. What's my play? Searched the net. Found lots of minute details. But little general info on how newbs should proceed.[/QUOTE]Bro,

With no Spanish skills you will definitley need a guide in Bogota.

Things would have been much easier for you if you would have booked Medellin and stayed at one of the Monger Motels and barring that Cartagena would have been easier.

Be careful, be safe Y Buena Suerte!

Rainman3

Dude, click on your own reporting history and you will see that the reports from Travelling Gring, Mesocorny and El Rey De Pollo are all from the same poster-you. That's what Cubanut called you out on when you replied to Mesocorny's post as El Rey De Pollo. You were commenting on your own report, but presenting it to us here that you were a different poster than Mesocorny.

Mesocorny showed up on the Colombia forum back in March as a 24 year-old Swede wondering about the legality of bangin' a 17-year old Colombiana (see below), before he and his 22-year old buddy made a return trip to Cartagena.

When you changed your name to El Rey De Pollo, your posts as Mesocorny merged to your new name, along with all your prior posts as Travelling Gring in the Cuba forum.

You were exposed by Cubanut and any person can read back through your prior posts to see that you've presented differning facts as to things like your age, how many times you've been to Cuba, etc.

I orginally responded to you in good faith as Mesocorny to provide you with my experience in dealing with non-pro Colombianas. At the time, I thought you were legit and tried to share helpful information with you, but it was all a hoax on your part. Now, you have zero credibility as far as I'm concerned.

You probably know the old saying-fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I'll leave it at being fooled once by Mesocorny and regard anything you now post as El Rey De Pollo as a fairytale.

Top of the day to you.

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]Originally Posted by Mesocorny

Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.[/QUOTE]

Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11]4. Age differences- it is very common for colomebianas to date men 15 years or more older than they are. A good percentage of them actually prefer an older man. Age does not matter to them very much its your attitude. So if you are 55 and act young and energetic you will have much better luck than a 45 year old thats acts old and worn out. If you are 25, do not act like a frat boy on spring break in Cancun. Latinas prefer a little maturity in their men, in fact if I was 25 years old and in Colombia I would lie and say I was 32 years or something.

Anyways that my 2 pesos, doesn't matter what you do as long as you are enjoying yourself.[/QUOTE]

Okay, got to apologize then. Not for posting under different names, because believe it or not, I am not. But for coming at you. Checked my history and you are right. I've got that guys posts in my posting history as posted under the name I just changed to (simply because gringo makes everyone think I am American...)

Guess this is to no avail. Other than to ask Jackson what's up. You have now presented documentation and it sure looks like documentation. But if you've done your research down through the years I've been on, you'll see that (apart from being antagonistic as you seem to think I am) I've been around the Cuba forum helping out loads of guys. Why the f*** would I suddenly be posting under another name of some 20 year old guy in the Colombia forum wanting help? Wouldn't my chances of getting help be better if I was myself? Someone with a history of helping others and more posts to my name?

mesocorny: Could you post something? Would love to see if a new post from you goes into my history as well. Tried a PM, but can't write you.

Okay, that's cool. I haven't posted anything here for a long time because I was only active on the Cuba forum and that forum got infested with lies. Like the Colombia forum. Guess I shouldn't have returned. Whatever. Cheers and good luck in Colombia. Wish I was there.

[QUOTE=Pana NYC]Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.[/QUOTE]I get this from what I have seen and been told. I met a girl last year at LDV, was a great GFE, so I went back and had another great week of GFE with her, now she is more a girlfriend than a GFE and I have been back 3 more times and stay with her at her apartment away from bocagrande and laguito. I have met about 8-10 of her girlfriends and EVERY ONE has a story about their first boyfriend who was much older than they are. Most of the girls started dating colombianos when they were 15-16 years and their b/FS were on average 35 years. Fast forward to now and those girls are 25years and again EVERY ONE of them has a b/f at least 10 years older.

Sure there are always exceptions to every rule and there are certaintly going to be some colombianas that prefer men there own age but I just haven't seen it