Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=Wendella]Whoa there buddy, I think Nerdy's on our side.. Anyway, hear him out. Entrap how?[/QUOTE]APLE is now shifting its policy of barang catchers to focus on Cambodian offenders. The donors tightened their purse and now they are looking for numbers: they are into the drunk peasant Khmer who goes home after a drinking session and fucks his daughters. For one foreigner getting caught for debauchery there is a counterpart of 600 of them motherfuckers going to jail for such offenses. Usually they pay the family of the girl as a compensation to bail out. Which is pretty impossible for the westerner, which family becomes a source of income for jail guards, clerks, prosecutors, their clerks, lawyers and the NGOs themselves, who ask money from the offender to get out of trouble first.

Guys, stick to adult girls and do not go looking into troubles.

Hey Guys,

A mate has just returned from Cambo and wants to know what his girl is up to while he is not around. I'll be back in a couple of weeks but unfortunately she knows my face and can connect me with him. If anyone can check her out PM me and I'll send you a pic and more info.

I might have a chance to come over to Phnom Penh in a few weeks. What is the current bar status? Lots of hot women or are the police/NGO causing too much trouble for all business?

I'm still a semi-newbie going into, so if you have 3 days to party and pick up women, where would you go?

Is Sharkey's even worth going to or is it just a tourist trap? How about Street 104 and 136?

Thanks to all for such a great forum!

Just checking to see what the latest status in Phnom Pehm?

Is mongering fine or are all the women hiding from all the crackdowns lately?
Is Sharkey's worth a visit or is it just a tourist trap? How about street 104 and 136?

I have a chance to visit PP in a few weeks and trying to figure out if it's worth it or not.

Sharkies had s few nice girls last time I was there.

104 and 136 are fine, 104 is really lively at the moment.

Rose bar has tons of girls and 104 bar really good too.

Old mikado has some very keen young ladies, one told me recently that she would make me come in her mouth three times!

Don't know what she was getting at.

[quote=heini]aple is now shifting its policy of barang catchers to focus on cambodian offenders. the donors tightened their purse and now they are looking for numbers: they are into the drunk peasant khmer who goes home after a drinking session and fucks his daughters. for one foreigner getting caught for debauchery there is a counterpart of 600 of them motherfuckers going to jail for such offenses. usually they pay the family of the girl as a compensation to bail out. which is pretty impossible for the westerner, which family becomes a source of income for jail guards, clerks, prosecutors, their clerks, lawyers and the ngos themselves, who ask money from the offender to get out of trouble first.

guys, stick to adult girls and do not go looking into troubles.[/quote]yes and no heini. in fact ngo try to catched locals for long time, it s not a new fashion but the family links are really strong in cambodia and girls will hardly complaint to police station against her family member(father, uncle etc).

if you re in cambodia try to buy the dvd from khmer movie maker rithy pahn, "paper cannot wrapped charcoal" you could also find it under "le papier ne peut pas envelopper la braise"

in this movie report you have the case of a young girl raped by her father. one ngo convinced the girl to complaint against her father. the girl did it and the father was sentenced to 5 years jailed. after the sentence the ngo gave 1000 dollars to the girl and tell her good luck in the life.

but since whats happened the girl is rejected by all her family and all her village. she lives as hooker and the ngo doesn t care about her. now she goes every week to the jail to see her father in the hope her dad will forgive her. she also dream to live and care of him after his jail sentence.

btw in this report you will know a lot about p4p local scene if you listened carefully.; especialy about street 9 (and other place) see your last mail interesting also how ngo fight aids in cambodia. by just paid the coffin and not the medicine.

I've met NGOs in Cambodia who are traumatised with frustration. They're not all well-paid 'do-gooders.' But the frustration arises from a total lack of understanding. They go out there with the best of intentions and it's only when confronted with reality, when they see Cambodia through Cambodian eyes, that they realise how hopelessly ineffectual their well-laid plans will be. And by then it's mostly too late. And it happens in every area, right down to telling the Cambodians how to grow rice.

If you read textbooks or wikibooks on Cambodia - on something as simple as, say, the Pol Pot regime, then start investigating the truth once you're out there, you quickly realise how the picture of Cambodia in Western eyes is painted in sanitised colours that make sense of the 'world order' we have come to live with. The truth about the Pol Pot history, for instance, is far too unpalatable when the truth sinks in about the West's role. So we get the 'simplified' version. People go to Cambodia with not just insufficient information but [I]wrong[/I] information. This goes for the monger who's only interested in his hole, for the NGO that wants 'to make a difference' and for the normal, decent human being who just wants to visit.

For people reading this whose interest in Cambodia goes beyond getting laid, can I earnestly encourage you to consider visiting [URL="http://www.beat-richner.ch/"] Beat Richner's[/URL] Saturday night cello concerts in Siem Reap. it's one charity/NGO that knows what it's doing, decries the cack-handed attempts of the half-cocked NGOs in the country, and saves the lives of millions of children. 'Dr Beat' is a legend in Cambodia. Almost any tuktuk driver has heard of Beat Richner. If you want to give some money (or some blood) this is one place where it won't be wasted.

Sorry to go on. But for the many people maybe reading this that look beyond the surface, are suitably horrified, and feel helpless to help or even see a way forward for Cambodia, Richner is a strong light in a dark tunnel.

Re the last post about movies - haven't seen that one, the filmmaker concerned is a celebrated Cambodian director who has won awards from Cannes and Amnesty International. Cambodia is a great place to learn about Cambodia. Soak up the films, books and so on. Let's face it, you need something to fill in the hours when not eating sleeping and seeking pussy.

Not sure what 'truth' it is you're referring to.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Not sure what 'truth' it is you're referring to.[/QUOTE]
I was just drawing attention to the disparity between perception and reality across almost everything to do with Cambodia. If you mean the Pol Pot era, you can see this very easily - compare the well-documented and uncontested history in the many books and videos on sale in Cambodia with almost any Western account; or go back and read the earlier discussions on the forum; or PM me if you must. These things are much better appreciated by first hand investigation - then you see the evidence - raising it on the forum tends to encourage pointless speculation/arguments. Best wishes, Christopherd.

[quote=channy]yes and no heini. in fact ngo try to catched locals for long time, it s not a new fashion but the family links are really strong in cambodia and girls will hardly complaint to police station against her family member(father, uncle etc).

if you re in cambodia try to buy the dvd from khmer movie maker rithy pahn, "paper cannot wrapped charcoal" you could also find it under "le papier ne peut pas envelopper la braise"

in this movie report you have the case of a young girl raped by her father. one ngo convinced the girl to complaint against her father. the girl did it and the father was sentenced to 5 years jailed. after the sentence the ngo gave 1000 dollars to the girl and tell her good luck in the life.

but since whats happened the girl is rejected by all her family and all her village. she lives as hooker and the ngo doesn t care about her. now she goes every week to the jail to see her father in the hope her dad will forgive her. she also dream to live and care of him after his jail sentence.

btw in this report you will know a lot about p4p local scene if you listened carefully.; especialy about street 9 (and other place) see your last mail interesting also how ngo fight aids in cambodia. by just paid the coffin and not the medicine.[/quote]got the message, rithy panis a very interesting moviemaker, i have seen "a barrage for the pacific" and i liked it, he is very khmer in his creations.

i love this country, i think khmers are the friendliest bunch in this world.

always ready to party. i do respect the culture in any sense and i think most of the ngos here do not.

thanks, mate.

Yeah not a bad summation christopherd.

There is no doubt that the KR were murderous bastards but we bombed them into madness and then we supported them for nearly ten years at the UN.

In my opinion we committed a crime as great as the KR themselves in their heyday.

But we must move on.

I love the Cambodians still.

There are three in my house tonight, sound asleep whilst I drink good, cheap australian red wine.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine, 12-07-09]Sharkies had s few nice girls last time I was there.

104 and 136 are fine, 104 is really lively at the moment.

Rose bar has tons of girls and 104 bar really good too.

Old mikado has some very keen young ladies, one told me recently that she would make me come in her mouth three times!

Don't know what she was getting at.[/QUOTE]Thanks PI, so it means that Sovanmee's report from 08-30-09 still is pretty much valid?
[QUOTE=Sovanmee, 08-30-09]Hi all,

I would like to inform all of you guys about the night life scence in Phnom Penh. Currently the hostes bars, pub and disco are running thier business as usual. As like a bounch street 104 (Rose bar, Zanzibar, 104bar.), 108street (golden wine bar, zapata bar.), 136 street (Palm Bar, 136 Bar, 69 Bar, Up and Down Bar.), Sharky's Bar, DV8, Mikado, Le Cyrce, Shang Hai, Walkabout and Matiny Bar. And also back to normal the brothels along 63street and 145street.

Cheers[/QUOTE]That would be enough for the few days I'll be there, then.

BTW: Is the Canby map still available for free?

[QUOTE=Barri]

BTW: Is the Canby map still available for free?[/QUOTE]


Hey Barri,
Just wanted to let you know how much I appreciated all the work you put into the maps in Indo.
A fellow ISG member and I returned recently and used many of your helpful info. Many thanks, owe you a beer (or 2).

Oh, back to your question. The answer is YES. I usually pick one up at the airport as there seems to be a new version of the map every year. If they are out of them at the airport, the Walkabout or the Flamingo hotels will have a few lying around also, so just go in and ask them at the desk.

PT

[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Yeah not a bad summation christopherd.

There is no doubt that the KR were murderous bastards but we bombed them into madness and then we supported them for nearly ten years at the UN.

In my opinion we committed a crime as great as the KR themselves in their heyday.

But we must move on.

I love the Cambodians still.

There are three in my house tonight, sound asleep whilst I drink good, cheap australian red wine.[/QUOTE]

Yeah let's forgive the genocide, it wasn't their fault after all. "They were driven to it by us." Groan. Is this the kind of weirdness Dr Richner is talking about? I guess the real blame for the holocaust falls to the Austrian art school professor who gave Hitler a C then. Yeah sorry guys, we live in a world where if you murder you own personal responsibliity for it. There's no get out of jail due to 'understandable madness' card. Re responsibility, who let North Vietnam set up active bases and the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Cambodia to attack south Vietnam from with a war going on a few miles away?

I dunno, maybe Dr B isn't saying anything like this. But this probably isn't the best place to discuss your unconventional opinion about a genocide. I think Christopher's first idea to keep it to PM for anyone interested was the wise way to go.

This doesn't have anything to do with loving Cambodian people or not, unless you're thinking of including guys who personally killed dozens of innocent pepole (incl women & children) on your list of loved ones. I'd just think it would be bizarre to think someone who was torturing and murdering should be forgiven or allowed to blame it all on someone else. If you need to look for a foreign contribution, werent' they Maoists?

What is the going daily rate for a car + driver in PNH?
No big trips, just the usual daytime and evening sightseeing/mongering?