FN's Bad night at Baccara and a few comments
[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1383194]I had a couple of good nights in BKK. Last night was a disaster. I finally see another hot spinner on the second floor and she gives me the eye so I motion her over for a drink. She finished her dance and get a lady drink, takes a sip and then says she's got another customer waiting. She took one sip of her soda. I'm like "hell no." Call the mama over and hand her the LD tab and tell her the story.
We head back to Baccara after one drink. I make eye contact with a girl (pm if you want her number) and motion her over for a drink. We're egtting along great and we agree on BF for LT and head out. We get back, she's fun, we're taking pictures of her, non nude but she's posing and having fun. Well after the shower we get in bed and she whips out the rule book. No kissing, no BJ, all she does is lay there and take a pounding. So I tell her to hit the road, I'll cut my losses at the bar fine. She counters with how about ST. I nix that. Then she counters 500 baht for taxi."Where ya going honey? To Pattaya?" She walks out not to happy but doesn't make a scene. Anyway, I've been on the road for over 3 weeks with at least one a day and many days twice. I needed a break anyway.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a double barrel of really bad luck at Baccara. The behavior of the cheeky girl was outrageous and very un-Baccara like. I have never seen such behavior at Baccara so I must ask if maybe you were drinking a lot or maybe having too good a time which might partially have blinded you and at the same time explain the unacceptable behavior of the girl. I mean no disrespect to you, but I had to ask if there was something you were leaving out of the story since this is so unusual and over the top. In any case, there is no excuse for the girl's behavior and if a bar girl ever pulled that trick on me, I would have complained and demanded that the drink be taken off my tab. You did the right thing. She had some nerve hitting you up for a lady drink while she was entertaining another customer.
The non-performance issue with the barfinned Baccara girl is another story and there are many outcomes that might have occurred. No kissing is a definite strike against the girl, but not enough IMHO to send her packing. I have a little story about a no kissing Baccara girl that I will relate at the end of this post. Generally, I have a 3 strike rule in effect with working girls, but if a girl commits a capital offence, then she is gone. In other words, if your girl had insisted on a covered blow job, refusing a BBBJ, I would have considered that strike 2 unless she agreed to BBBJ in earlier negotiations back at the bar and was reneging. Refusing to perform any BJ is a capital offence and you had the right to terminate the session without pay as you did. However, just because you had the right does not mean you handled the situation optimally. It is just my opinion, but the girl in your own words had 'countered with how about ST? ' which to me that sounds like she realized she had gone too far and was attempting to renegotiate at terms more favorable to you rather than be sent off with nothing. You might have countered with, 'ST ok: but I want BBBJ and Boom Boom. No BBBJ, No Boom Boom. No Boom Boom, you have to go now! ' I think she probably would have agreed at this point and you might have gotten decent shag. If the BJ was not good or she acted like a starfish (a capital crime) , then you could have terminated and kicked her out with taxi money and maybe 500bt. It would have been a gamble to continue with the girl, but I think it might have paid off.
Now my little story about a Baccara girl named T and me: I met T in Baccara around 4 years ago. She was very cute and had great spinner body with 'A' cup natural Thai tities. I couldn't take my eyes off her. I bought her a drink and we flirted. I was already spoken for with another girl that night so I did not barfine her. I came back a few nights later and found her. I bought her some more drinks, we held hands. Yada yada. And I barfined her. Long story short, in my hotel room T was at first reluctant to take shower with me, but I gently insisted and she accommodated me. Then in bed she performed an adequate BBBJ. After a while she asked if I was ready for condom and I said ok. Then she mounted me and we go at it Cowgirl. After a while I picked her up and put her on her back and we went missionary. Things were going pretty well so I naturally made a move to kiss her, but T turns her head away and says No, she does not like to kiss. That's strike 1. 25. (Her reluctance to take a soapy shower with me earned her a. 25 strike). OK so we continued with the shag anyway. I was feeling let down, but it was still an acceptable shag otherwise. In fact the session lasted longer because of her no DFK rule. In the end she got back on top, worked it cowgirl, then spun around into reverse cowgirl where she really leveraged her pussy to maximum effect and I had a powerful orgasm while holding her waist and looking at her lovely ass move. We talk a little. I paid her. I felt like having something to drink so we walked back to the bar. I spent the next couple of hours drinking, hanging out with T, and meeting some of her friends. Then I said goodbye and left. The night was not stellar, but it was ok. T was a hot little girl and I kind of liked her, but I figured I would never barfine her again.
A few nights pass by and I returned to Baccara looking for a girl. T spots me from the stage and smiles. I smile back. After her set she walked by. I nodded at her. She asked if I want to buy her a drink. I say ok. I am always friendly to my ex barfines. We flirt and talk a little, T sits close so our bodies are touching, and after a while she asks if I want to barfine her. I told her I really liked her, but I did not think she liked me very much because she did not want to kiss me. So it would be better if I did not barfine her again. To my surprise, she looked me in the eyes and said 'I like you. I did not know you before. I will kiss you now. ' And then she planted one on me. I wasn't expecting this response. I had come to Baccara that night to expressly barfine a new different girl, but making out with sexy little T in the bar, I decided to give her a second try. Well the rest is history. T turned out to be a great deep French kisser and the sex between us was real good that night. I took her one more time that trip.
A year goes by and I am back in Baccara. Not really looking for T, but on my 3rd night at Baccara, I see her. Boom we hook up. I barfined her a couple more times that year. One of those times was LT.
Another year goes by I return to Baccara, but I do see T. No problem I meet and shag 3 other girls.
Nine moths pass and it is now October 2012. I return to BKK and Baccara. The first night I shag a different perennial Go Go GF, M. The reunion sex was great. I barfine M a couple days in a row. Then the following day M texts me that she will not be in Baccara tonight. Around 9pm I show up and walk around the stage. I spot T dancing. I noticed something has changed. T has filled out a little. She smiles and I invite her over for a drink. It is not obvious with her clothes on, but knowing her body well, I can see that she has added some silicon to her chest. It looks alright with her top on, but I already lament that she messed with her wonderful, natural, little 'A' cup Thai handfuls. I tell her I missed her the last time I was in town and cupping her breasts I tell her I can see that she has been up to something. She laughs and asks if I like them. I tell her I do, but I liked them before too. She asks if I want to barfine her and I say absolutely.
All right I am finally getting to the point of my little story. I take T back to my hotel room. We soapy shower. I remembered the 1st time when she was reluctant to do that with me. We are now making out in the shower and on the bed and I remembered when she refused DFK the first time as well. We shag in multiple positions and God help me; I was having a problem with her hard little baseballs. I kind of don't like the pesky little hard ball things. It was such a problem for me that I could not finish in missionary so we roll over and T got on top, but the problem persisted. I kept seeing those baseballs. They were not natural and did not hang right. I reached up and pressed them in my hands, and they feel, I don't know, artificial. I can't cum. Finally, T spins around and performs her reverse cowgirl which is one of her best moves and I achieve the long sought orgasm. Afterwards we kissed and snuggled, watched TV, and talked. She spent a few hours with me and then we went back to Baccara for some late night drinks and what not. I spent 3 weeks in BKK in October / November 2012 and I barfined a few other Baccara girls, particularly M another girl I have known a few years. T was cool about my butterflying and she would always smile and say hello whenever I came to the bar. I would buy her a drink and sit with her even when I was barfining another girl. I eventually barfinned T one more time (a total of 2 times on my fall trip) and the results were about the same. She was great and really tried to make me happy, but I had a hard time cumming because of her silicon bolt-ons. I never told her the reason for my problem and she eventually got me off after an hour long marathon shag.
So on my last night in BKK, I am back at Baccara to pick up M to celebrate my bon voyage fair well night. I spot T and she comes over. I buy her a drink and tell her I am leaving and won't see her again until February. She asks if I am barfining M again. I tell her yes and she says she understands. M is my # 1 girl. I don't disagree with her, but I tell her I like her too, very much. Then T says, 'When you come back to BKK in February, we can boom boom, no condom, if you want. I know you no like condom. you cum better , no condom.' Well damn, that's one of the reasons why I love BKK and Baccara Go Go girls in particular so much. T is such a little darling. This story will be continued and I will be returning to BKK in less than 3 weeks. The point I was trying to make in relating this little story of T and me is that sometimes from a so so beginning good things can turn out. Over the last 4 years I have had some great sessions with T. I always fool around with plenty of other girls while I am in BKK, but it is always nice to hook up with her 2, 3, or 4 times per trip. I really wish she had not augmented her breasts. They used to be perfect. Anyway, I am looking forward to bare backing her in just a few weeks. I am sure I am not the only guy she goes natural with, but having known her for 4 years, I am pretty sure I am about to become a member in very small private club. I love BKK!
Angeles City, PI vs the City of Angels, LOS
City of Angels compared to Angeles City.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1382967]Low end to low end comparisons; AC is cheaper. Santos and Raymond bar girls vs. Nana parking lot[/QUOTE]The Nana Parking Lot (NPL) in Bangkok is one of the streetwalker (SW) hangouts in the area of NEP and lower sukhumvit. These girls usually go for 1000 baht (1300 pesos) ST and it has been that way since 2007 when I first came to the City of Angels (Krung Thep). But this isn't the low end for SWs in BKK, as prices as economical as 300 baht ST have been reported for Chinatown & less than the NPL cost elsewhere with allegedly better looking girls who normally cater to Thai men.
OTOH recent claims re AC SWs say that a lady can be taken ST for as little as 300 or 500 Pesos, which would be about the same as quoted rock bottom BKK rates. However there are many warnings to avoid SWs in AC, at least the ones who don't work in bars, and its apparently considered a much more serious concern than picking up their counterparts in BKK. Others guys in AC, however, feel quite comfortable bedding them.
BTW in both places, when the bar & gogo workers finish work & hit the streets, many can be picked up at reduced rates as, techicly speaking, SWs.
As regards Santos & Raymond St bar girls, they are located in what is called the "blow row" (BR) area of AC. They are not SWs and their services sound more comparable to the BJ bars in BKK than the BKK NPL SWs. I doubt the best looking gals on BR would measure up anywhere near the top 10 percent of NPL SWs in the looks department.
Certainly the blow row BJ specialists in AC are cheaper than their counterparts in BKK, at least Dr BJs, where the minimum cost is 1000 Baht for a 30 minute BBBJ session. Blow row rates in AC were recently 700 Pesos for 2 to 4 hours, and 1200 or 1300 Pesos for 12 hours, and that included not only BBBJ but FS. Quite the bargain pricewise when compared to BKK, especially if it were non stop sex, but if involving a lot of so called GFE instead, that would be more like GAE (Girl Annoyance Experience) to others whose attitude is once the sex is over they "pay her (the hooker) to leave".
Looks wise, blow row girls are not recommended, although the occasional fine specimen has been mentioned in what I've read thus far of 2012 reports. OTOH Dr BJ's website seems much more pleasant in that regard.
So, bottom line, as it concerns BBBJ type venues, if you prefer cheaper, there's AC. If looks are more your thing, then maybe try BKK.
When you compare hot young SWs around NEP in BKK for 1000 Baht ST to AC bar girls of the same quality in looks, Bangkok is the easy winner in value, price & cost, assuming it is a ST session in either case. Even bar & gogo ST prices in BKK are at times cheaper or comparable to EWR AC rates. Of course this doesn't take into consideration any differences in attitudes & service levels, the length of the ST, or the possibility of LT with EWR if the girl doesn't run. If you like a girl to hang around with you all night, for many hours, & get the equivalent of two or more ST sessions with her for the EWR price, then AC is the winner. But if you want a ST & then to get rid of the girl, then BKK could easily be considered the preferred value choice, for getting the most bang for your buck.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1382967]BKK has a far larger quantity of top end girls than AC, but they will ask far more $$$ than top end AC girls will ask. Top price for a looker in AC is around 4000p for LT. In BKK the sky is the limit.[/QUOTE]In BKK the sky is the limit, true, though as stated above 1000 baht (1300 pesos) ST for model material is easily attainable, at least IME. I'd also note that unlike EWR in AC, payment to SWs in BKK is after the session & they do not pressure or require you to buy any drinks for yourself or any lady. So the ball is in your court when it comes to them not living up to their pre bedroom agreed upon promises.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1382967]Yes. BKK has many more hotels and better prices than AC. But I like ABC and Lewis. I have no complaints and there are other good choices for less. BKK no question has better food and cultural attractions. AC has very little of that.
But, I think you are making a big mistake however in writing off AC and the PI. 1st a better comparison to make is between AC and Pattaya and then Manila and BKK. Compare Boom Boom town to Boom Boom town and big city to big city. So let's talk about AC and Pattaya. I love Patt. What's not to love? 10, 000 sex crazed Thai girls. More bars than I will ever visit. But I also dig AC. Why? Because AC is not Pattaya and Filipinas are not Thai girls.
The one thing that bugs me about Pattaya is the masses of cheap idiot tourists gawking around Walking Street, Beach Road, and 2nd road. These fools turn Pattaya into a carnival show in which everybody including the punters are part of the act. The crowds are so bad that I will not go to Patt in December or January anymore. AC, as crude and unrefined as it is, is like a private club for guys like us. This place is our private enclave. We don't share it with anybody![/QUOTE]I've never been to Pattaya, but if I had a choice I'd probably choose it over AC. Why? Because, in a word, it's Thailand. But as it stands, with the plan to live 12 months a year in Asia I can only spend about 6 months of it in LOS, so must go elsewhere for the other 6 months, which will likely be AC. I'll also have to plan for at least a few days or a week or two in a third country, for tax purposes.
BTW Beach Road SWs in Pattaya are reportedly often willing to go ST for a mere 500 Baht (about 665 Pesos or 17 USD). And generally speaking things there, most notably ladies & hotels, will allow your dollar to stretch further than in BKK.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1382967]2nd, and this is the main thing, AC and Manila are home to Filipinas, the friendliest (GFE) girls in the world. Look, I love Thai girls. They are sexy and beautiful and have tight bodies. And believe me I pay up to shag the hot ones and I have been visiting LOS since '89. But every time I get off the plane in the PI and hook up with my first few Filipinas of the trip, I am always taken aback at how fucking nice Filipinas are. It is hard to explain in words. You will have to take my word for it. They are different than Thai or Chinese girls. Maybe more open, more loving, or just needier, I don't know, but the difference is palpable. You can feel it when you are with them and when you sleep with them. I won't argue with guys who say Thai girls are prettier or have better bodies. I kind of agree with that. I won't even argue with you over comparative prices. I know it is cheaper in the PI, but that is not the point. Here is the point; even if Filipinas were more money than Thai girls or Chinese girls, I would still want to shag them and spend time with them.[/QUOTE]I've found Thai P4P girls to be quite friendly, certainly compared to Western feminists. They are largely about sanook (fun) which is a major aspect of their culture. So I'm not sure how the Philippine ladies are going to top that, but maybe some day I'll find out what you're describing.
However when I'm with a prostitute I'm looking for her to "take care" of me, please me, service me, do what I want, not have me treat her like a GF, watch TV with her, eat & drink with her, listen to her life story or have long intellectual discussions or debates together.
Sometimes my sessions with P4P TGs might be described as GFE in that they involve a lot of kissing, touching, cuddling or foreplay prior to sex, if sex even happens. But GFE means different things to different people, & has many definitions.
I had a cute young slim Thai SW hooker invite me to be her BF after a session today in which she sucked me & we fucked each other BB for 80 minutes. She kissed me lightly with a closed mouth less than 10 times. Personally I wouldn't call that what I'd want from a girl friend, as I enjoy lots of kissing, including lips to lips, LFK & DFK. Still a very enjoyable session from a 24 year old who looked about 19. In total we spent perhaps 5 minutes talking, one of the advantages of not being able to speak each other's language. More rock, less talk.
Usually my sessions with TGs involve lots of fucking, girls giving me long BBBJ's, DATO, BLS. TGs are not as much into kissing, especially before sex, as Canadian girls, although a good percentage get into DFK when I'm banging them, & they'll even initiate it. If PI girls were like Canadians in that regard, it would be a positive & give them an advantage over TGs.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1382967]Here is a small example of what I am talking about. After 3 weeks in BKK, a week in Patt, and 5 days in Macau on my last trip, I fly to Manila.
The first night in Manila (Makati) I head over to Rogues Bar on Burgos. I meet a sexy spinner and let her seduce me in the back of the bar.
Things got pretty crazy in the back of the bar. She had my cock out and was giving me a HJ as my hands wandered around underneath her panties. Back at my hotel we do the usual soapy shower, BBBJ, and sex routine. Because of all the shagging I had been doing, I was running low on vital fluids. We shagged in various positions for around 40 minutes, finally moving into doggy where she finally collapsed and I planted my seed. It was exhausting. She turns over and smiles and says she came two times, how was it for me, and hugs me. We kiss for a while and then fall asleep in each other's arms. I wake around 4 in the morning. She is still wrapped around me. I have a morning hard on and I start kissing her. She wakes and grabs my dick. We begin session 2 and then fall asleep again. Around 10am we both awake, again in each other's arms, and after a quick run to the bathroom, session three begins. Ok, Ok. It was a good shag. No big deal. I know that, but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy, that was the thing. I don't know; words are hard to find that can explain it. It was different than in LOS or Macau. More GFE from the get go. I don't know. Anyway I bought her some breakfast and we said goodbye. But not before we exchanged phone numbers and she asked if I was going to stop by the bar tonight. I told her I might, but I was not sure. I saw her again three days later on my last night in town and we had another good time. Nice girl. I will look her up when I return to MNL. But there are thousands like her in MNL, AC, Subic, and Cebu. That is why I visit the PI.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you had an awesome time. LT or sleeping with a gal is not my style or cup of tea, but to each their own.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1382967]"but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy. that was the thing."[/QUOTE]I think there are a lot of TGs with this attitude. As they put it, they want to "take care you".
With that in mind, what I'll be looking for in PI are girls who can:
1. Shag for an hour or two at a time. Even starfishes may apply, as I'm often up for a sweaty sexercise workout. (Many TGs are great at just laying there like a lame fish, as opposed to the other extreme of a wild tigress scratching you all over & biting you. I'll take the corpse over the tigress).
2. Give BBBJ for a hour or two, non stop, and in just the way I like it.
3. Perform DATO & or BLS on me for an hour or two, while I play the violin, till I cum, or end the session due to exhaustion.
4. DFK while simultaneously giving me a prostrate anal hand massage as my guitar gently weeps.
[QUOTE=Psychman]About the four passes through, I am stopped in my tracks in front of the wonderfully names 'One Eyed Wench (I mean, who can resist that name, and who amoung you has not wanted to Phuck a one eyed wench?). What is it that has locked my feet into the ground and pulled my eyes toward it as if god has appeared in front of me? A perfect, perfect 10. I mean, to me, a 10 is not something you just throw around as a rating. To me, supermodel hot is a 9- a 10 is that hot with just something extra, some deep and profound sensuality that transends the looks. Well, there she is, a door girl in a tight par of jeans with a perfect little ass, B / C cup, flat, flat stomach, but enough muscule tone that gives look of your yummy gym rat- pefrect. The face is out of this world. I almost never just go with a girl on looks alone- I have to feel a chemistry. But, I am phucking this one even if she is the most sour.ussed ***** in the world, even if she is the emodiment of money grubbing skank. For the 1500 paso EWR (34 bucks) , even if she terms out to be a frigid matress bag I will see god ever second while inside her.[/QUOTE]04-30-12 20:28.
The Philippines: Angeles City
