[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1622176]I just looked up the Carnival site and they list no extended stay stops in Puerto Rico. I then called and they almost laughed at me when I asked about it.[/QUOTE]You mean Puerto Plata no doubt?
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[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1622176]I just looked up the Carnival site and they list no extended stay stops in Puerto Rico. I then called and they almost laughed at me when I asked about it.[/QUOTE]You mean Puerto Plata no doubt?
[QUOTE=MrGogo;1622119]One interesting dynamic that probably hasn't been considered is the Dominicans reputation for fucking up any positive situation because of greed and selfishness. It all sounds good but the Dominicans are sitting back licking their chops, waiting with their hands out. I'm not sure about a tourist wanting to spend a week in SD seeing the sites when it only takes half a day to do the tourist sites. What will they be doing the rest of the time?
The same goes for Sosua and Cabarette, it's only a half day stop at best. Santiago doesn't offer much for the tourist, same for Puerto Plata. Outside money is coming in and the Dominicans are saying"yes" to everything. For anyone who has been coming to the DR for years it's very interesting watching good business models fold because the Dominicans have found a new sucker. Never invest in the DR fellas.[/QUOTE]Didn't foreign investors try to invest in Playa Dorada? I heard they shipped in sand and everything. Now I heard there are weeds in the sand. LOL.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1622207]You mean Puerto Plata no doubt?[/QUOTE]No, I mean Puerto Rico. Read the below posts.
Cruise ships never stay at a port very long.
1. It costs them money to stay in the port using electrical power, water etc besides port charges. Better for them to meander in the ocean.
2. All side trips and beach activities finish by 6 PM. They did not take mongering time in figuring this.
3. Cruise passengers are usually families doing things together. Even single guys travel with a GF.
They are unlikely to go look for quick romp and fuck. Although many family guys would love to sneak away for a quick satisfaction.
4. Cruise passengers do not want to get in trouble with law, irritable chicas etc.
So crackdown in Sosua has nothing to do with cruise stop in mind. It is just that all over the world prostituition is frowned upon. Even struggling economies do not want to use mongering destination to attract tourists.
Even in Thailand which is well known tries to shun prostitution.
I sense a lot of Paranoia from some about the recent prostitution track down, and closing of some of the most popular monger places in Sosua like Passion, CMP etc and recent deportation (this is also called voluntarily asked to leave the country) of foreight business man that have been promoting prostitution in Sosua. The last guy deported this week was the Italian Armando Casiati, the owner of some hotels in Puerto Plata / Sosua and of the Merengue club and the Classico see: [URL]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3832&article=1I[/URL] I think from reading the previous reports, Cubadave was also asked to leave the DR for promoting sex tourism. He made the promotion of sex tourism super odvious with all those youtube videos and great reviews of mongering places in Sosua like passions, CMP, Dlatin, Classico, Rumba, etc. And to be honest, thanks to Cubadave's promotion, that is how I decided to make a trip to DR this year and I had a great time, but bad for Cubadave that he had to leave.
Just some things to keep in mind and to in keep perspective:
1. Although Prostitution is legal in the DR, promoting it and / or deriving financial gains from it is not. I am not a lawyer, but for a Dominican authority to make a case against guys like.
Armando Casiati, it is pretty easy. All they have to do is go to one of his places and video tape the activity inside, find some hookers employed there and if they are stupid enough to have minors in there employed or as prostitutes then it is easy to add more criminal charges. In regards to places that promote prostitution and brothels (this is supposed to be illegal), that part of the law is not enforced that much as seen by the activity in Sosua in the bars that have rooms for sex an have tons of hookers and and also the brothels in many towns of the country. In my opinion, those places are able to operate because they bribe the authorities, judicial system and police in order to operate their businesses.
2. This takes me to the point number 2 that the DR is still considered a third world country and that corruption quite ingrained in the culture. This is made evident by the constant husslers, politians stealing money left and right from public projects, the Police asking for money for breakfast, lunch, or giving you a break after a traffit violation with some dollars given, the motoconcho or taxi guy inflating the fare if you don't know the fare or giving you the Gringo treatment, people being released from jail easily after crime committed just with the persuasive power of money etc, etc, etc. See this interesting corruption index by country: [URL]http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results[/URL] "The Index scores 177 countries and territories on a scale from 0 (highly corrupt) to 100 (very clean). No country has a perfect score, and two-thirds of countries score below 50. This indicates a serious, worldwide corruption problem". The DR has 29 or way bellow 5 O, therefore got a super corrupt score. I lived grew up in the DR for 20 years so I know this by experience. I remember 25 years ago getting my drivers license in the DR when I was about 18 in 1987 and I did not get my license after passing the test because I refused to give the inspector what he called "his thing" or a bride. Things have not changed in regards to corruption.
3. Being careless and getting out of the confines of the law, will open the door for trouble. I think that the key is as Tempoecorto puts it best when advises the hobbyist "to behave publicly and discreet" and also diversifying locations or is it diversifying allocations to manage risk. I think Tempoecorto is in finance or risk management because of these ideas.
4. As a monger, keep going to the DR. There is so much opportunities is Sosua, Cabarete, Santiago, the Capital, Boca Chica, Las Terrenas / Samana, etc etc and enjoy the chicas everywhere you go, the choices are bast. It is a legal activity for girls over 18, check their cedula I'd and you won't get in trouble unless you don't pay the hooker accordingly or as agreed (she could call the cops for not paying and you cocould get arrested). Also, Don't advertise with anyone that you are a monger (keep this just among mongers), stay within the confines of the law, avoid the minors, avoid the problematic type of hooker types, don't buy drugs there, etc. The DR is is a very contradictory culture. In general is a mainly catholic culture and Some values of the Catholic religion are taught from early age and prostitution is a sinful activity as taught by the religion. Mongers and even those foreign investors get the wrong perception of the country about the country and that prostitution is normal and accepted when staying in Sosua or BocaChica with so many chicas everywhere, but as a Dominican raised / born, prostitution it something despised by the general population. And finally, don't lose perspective or get careless like those guys that were asked to leave the DR.
[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1621270]That is correct. Nonetheless, for the doom and gloom sayers, there was a recent report from a Cerebro, under cabarete. He is of Dominican origin who left the island 20 years back. He states that even in the past, that is at least 20 years back, Sosua was still well known. This is why, I think it is useless to worry about the demise of the place.
As long as the hobbyist knows how to behave publicly, and be discreet about something they cannot brag back home about, I cannot imagine anything is going to happen to him / them. Of course, it might be quite different for the NY kind of behavior. Finally, if you can, diversifying out of Sosua, is how you would manage your risk.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrGogo;1621096]I remember years ago when Classicos would play rock and roll during the weekdays and hip hop on the weekends. Classicos would be mostly euro tourist couples during the weekdays and the young Newyorkers wouldn't roll in till the weekends. What if they changed the music at Classicos and rumbas to be more tourist friendly, would that kill a certain foreign traveling dynamic?
[/QUOTE]No one travels to Sosua to hear a certain kind of music. Bars and discos in Sosua try to attract business and sell drinks, maybe some food, and possibly an admission fee also by providing a place where men can meet chicas. The kind of music played will depend partially on the kind of clientele that is in town, but that can change almost from day to day.
If the music is very loud and the ambience has low lighting, then conversation is impossible and people have to get within touching distance of each other or place their mouth right up against the ear of the person they are speaking to, which can lead to sexual arousal. Also chicas tend to look more attractive when the lights are low and the drinks are flowing.
If the climate is hot, people get more thirsty and more drinks are sold. Dancing makes people hot.
The bars and discos in Sosua could also slightly modify their business plan so as to attract non-mongering tourist business, but it is obviously much harder to profit that way.
There is an old saying in poker playing circles that if you sit down at a table and you cannot see an obvious "mark", then the mark is you. It is a bit like that in Sosua. If the bar seems set up to appeal to you, then as soon as you walk in, you are the target. The most extreme version of this are those "clubs" in Santo Domingo that appear to be set up like a bar with a barman, drinks, and groups of chicas and a few men sitting around--and overpriced drinks. The moment you walk in you are the target of the whole operation. Bars in Sosua work on the same principle. These are not community watering spots, the whole set-up is focused on you and your money, even if that is not immediately apparent.
Drove the Luperon from Santiago to Sosua. Left my date in Santiago around 11:30 pm, barely made it to Sosua before the street shut down. I'm sure this has been discussed before. I just didn't pay attention. Do not believe in your GPS. Don't take the luperon!
[QUOTE=Frannie;1622865]No one travels to Sosua to hear a certain kind of music. Bars and discos in Sosua try to attract business and sell drinks, maybe some food, and possibly an admission fee also by providing a place where men can meet chicas. The kind of music played will depend partially on the kind of clientele that is in town, but that can change almost from day to day.
If the music is very loud and the ambience has low lighting, then conversation is impossible and people have to get within touching distance of each other or place their mouth right up against the ear of the person they are speaking to, which can lead to sexual arousal. Also chicas tend to look more attractive when the lights are low and the drinks are flowing.
If the climate is hot, people get more thirsty and more drinks are sold. Dancing makes people hot.
The bars and discos in Sosua could also slightly modify their business plan so as to attract non-mongering tourist business, but it is obviously much harder to profit that way.
There is an old saying in poker playing circles that if you sit down at a table and you cannot see an obvious "mark", then the mark is you. It is a bit like that in Sosua. If the bar seems set up to appeal to you, then as soon as you walk in, you are the target. The most extreme version of this are those "clubs" in Santo Domingo that appear to be set up like a bar with a barman, drinks, and groups of chicas and a few men sitting around--and overpriced drinks. The moment you walk in you are the target of the whole operation. Bars in Sosua work on the same principle. These are not community watering spots, the whole set-up is focused on you and your money, even if that is not immediately apparent.[/QUOTE]You make my point for me. You won't see the older white golf crowd in Classicos on hip hop night because of the pussy, they will congregate somewhere that is more comfortable to hunt pussy. On the flip end you won't see the hip hop crowd running to Classicos if they only played country western, they will get pussy somewhere else. Young Dominican women are in tune with latin and hip hop music so there is a certain comfort level.
Take Costa Rica for example; the clientele is mostly affluent and white but you won't hear any hardcore hip hop music there hence you won't see many brothers there either. Certain groups congregate where they can experience a certain comfort level while hunting pussy, and the music can play a small part in that, that's my point.
[QUOTE=MrGogo;1622899]You make my point for me. You won't see the older white golf crowd in Classicos on hip hop night because of the pussy, they will congregate somewhere that is more comfortable to hunt pussy. On the flip end you won't see the hip hop crowd running to Classicos if they only played country western, they will get pussy somewhere else. Young Dominican women are in tune with latin and hip hop music so there is a certain comfort level.
Take Costa Rica for example; the clientele is mostly affluent and white but you won't hear any hardcore hip hop music there hence you won't see many brothers there either. Certain groups congregate where they can experience a certain comfort level while hunting pussy, and the music can play a small part in that, that's my point.[/QUOTE]Yeah I laugh when Cubadave says he hates Classicos, because he has no game. I want to smack him on his head and say. "What Game" You don't need game to pull a girl from Classicos, all you need is to be a clean person (Hygiene) and have some pesos.
But he still prefers Passions and CMP instead.
[QUOTE=MrGogo;1622899] On the flip end you won't see the hip hop crowd running to Classicos if they only played country western, they will get pussy somewhere else. [/QUOTE]No, I think they would become country western aficionados if that was where the pussy was. I am more of a jazz fan, so no one plays the music I like the most in bars, but in La Sirena I don't dislike the music which is mostly instrumental-pop-orchestral versions of popular jazz tunes and movie themes and I have never seen anyone run screaming from La Sirena with their fingers in their ears, or even seen anyone on this board complaining about the music there. If La Sirena had shelves stacked with pussy, the hip-hop crowd would be there grooving to ancient tunes like Frenesi or Perfidia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0iFlw6ba2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz-n_AuhZC4
Gentlemen the Sosua as we know it is coming to an end. Classical will soon be closed! This squeeze is now in effect you're not allowed to grab girls from front of rumba in a car. You are subject to be pulled over and check to see if the females a prostitute. More later.
[QUOTE=Frannie;1623088]... in La Sirena I don't dislike the music which is mostly instrumental-pop-orchestral versions of popular jazz tunes and movie themes and I have never seen ... anyone on this board complaining about the music there. [/QUOTE]Then let me be the first. In England we call this stuff "lift music" (lift = elevator). What is worse they only have one tape with about twelve tunes which I have been listening to for five years now.
[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1623274]Gentlemen the Sosua as we know it is coming to an end. Classical will soon be closed! This squeeze is now in effect you're not allowed to grab girls from front of rumba in a car. You are subject to be pulled over and check to see if the females a prostitute. More later.[/QUOTE]When is Classicos closing?
[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1623274]Gentlemen the Sosua as we know it is coming to an end. Classical will soon be closed! This squeeze is now in effect you're not allowed to grab girls from front of rumba in a car. You are subject to be pulled over and check to see if the females a prostitute. More later.[/QUOTE]There is nothing worse than a guy who makes broad statements like this and scares everyone and then without backing things up (like your closing statement) and then says "More later". If you have some facts tell us why, but don't tease.
[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1623322]There is nothing worse than a guy who makes broad statements like this and scares everyone and then without backing things up (like your closing statement) and then says "More later". If you have some facts tell us why, but don't tease.[/QUOTE]Relax! He gave a brief intro about things that are happening and he will return soon with more details. He is probably our best on the scene reporter right now so please don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] him off.