Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/australia/south-australia-pizza-bar-lockdown-intl/index.html[/URL]

Is this an example of a garbage input (I mean the lies) produces garbage output (meaning stupid orders) if the software (meaning the brain of that decision maker) is missing data validation filter (meaning sanity), or missing logic (meaning brain cells LOL)?

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2504529]Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.

Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza![/QUOTE]Wait, wait a minute. AOC is hot? I always thought AOC was the crazy horse face with bug eyes? I wouldn't spend 50€ on her.

Regarding her being "smart", wasn't she a bartender?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504438]It's still possible to move freely, all malls, restaurants, shops, massage parlors and gyms are still opened.[/QUOTE]Possible but really discouraged: [URL]https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/regional-guidelines-and-restrictions/stockholm-county[/URL].

What did your PM say? He said that:

[QUOTE]"This is the new norm for the entire society," Lofven told a news conference. "Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel."[/QUOTE]Source: [URL]https://news.trust.org/item/20201116135516-ilta9/[/URL].

Is Reuters a fake news media?

[QUOTE]There are no lockdowns, there's no difference between now and March / April. The restaurants are still packed of people, probably even more so than in March.[/QUOTE]Not so packed without big tables and no alcohol after 10 pm.

[QUOTE]Restaurants will stay open, with a maximum of eight diners for each table, as will schools....Last week the government announced that bars and restaurants would not be allowed to serve alcohol after 10pm from 20 November until the end of February.[/QUOTE]Source: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/sweden-limits-public-gatherings-to-eight-people-amid-covid-surge[/URL].

[QUOTE] So your false claim that Sweden changed its strategy is incorrect.[/QUOTE]How do you call this?

[QUOTE]Decision on stricter general recommendations in Kronoberg and Södermanland County
Local visiting bans possible for retirement homes
The Government: Ban on serving alcohol after 10 pm
The government proposes further restrictions on public assembly. Starting on 24 November, for a four-week period, only eight people may attend general gatherings and public activities.[/QUOTE]Source: [URL]https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news[/URL].

Just new guidelines?

[QUOTE]Or well, the nursing homes allows visitors now.[/QUOTE]Not so much it seems.

Thank you BolsoTrump, it was a pleasure talking to you.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2504529]Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.

Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza![/QUOTE]Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2504460]If you look at the 4 quadrants: fiscal hawk social liberal, fiscal dove social liberal, fiscal dove social conservative, fiscal hawk social conservative, the one with the least popularity is the first I. E. Fiscal hawk social liberal.

Bloomberg got trashed despite spending hundreds of millions of own money. Almost all the politicians with similar bent are phasing out. Kasich, Romney, Meg Whitman, Clintons, etc.

FT had a really good oped a few months ago. Their take was that if Trump had not been a traditional fiscal conservative guy when it came to policies / actions but had gone full bore on economic populism (renamed Obamacare as Trumpcare and expanded it; do a large infra project with roadworks etc, spend money on other nation building stuff), he would have been elected easy. He came within a whisker of winning anyway despite Covid mismanagement and being the traditional GOP guy on fiscal issues. Or if Bernie had not been so socially liberal on immigration and race, he could have won (he still won a bunch of people who voted for him in primaries and for Trump in general).

Being fiscally conservative socially liberal works for the upper middle, educated classes in NYC / SF and Boston. The lower middle class White voters on the coasts and people in the flyover country did not benefit from the Reagan economics of trickle down. They are there for picking by the fiscal dove, socially conservative pol at some point.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you and I am aware my view is a minority and politicians (you named a couple on both sides) are getting extinct. Lower middle class did get slammed by globalization and even middle class jobs are not as safe as they used to be. Don't want to imagine what this trend will bring us going forward. The extremists on both side of the isle taking over their parties and the middle ground disappearing. Compromise seems to be a swear word nowadays.

I used to live in the bible belt and still (mail) vote there and have plenty of friends there (including Trump supporters). My house in the suburbs had plenty of churches within 1 mile. I did have guns at the house (usually locked in the safe though) and liked to shoot at a range or a friends farm.

Since this is a monger forum I still remember the old days in the 90's before it was cleaned up with plenty of monger options relative openly available in the city (brothel's, street walkers, .). Now even strip clubs have a no touching policy. In the older days you went to church on Sunday's and started sinning Monday morning, rinse and repeat. Clinton is a good example.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2504623]Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.[/QUOTE]I agree, if I was US, I would vote Kamala Harris, for a more fair society. No worth to be number 1 when so many poor who can t have healthcare, or illegals. Trump is a big loser for this, and his economy is also down. US can t work without blacks, Latinos, Mexicans. Covid gave real image of US.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2504623]Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.[/QUOTE]Young or old, male or female, there are inescapable ironies that make the whole thing a waste of time.

If AOC truly believes in Decriminalization, that is the only unregulated, free market activity she believes in. She sees a sex worker selling sex to a customer in a private space, and she seems to see a transaction between a willing seller and a willing buyer that does not need to be regulated by the government. God bless her for once. Every other business transaction the lady has ever been presented with, including an Amazon corporate headquarters, all she sees is corporate evil that needs so much government regulation that any businessperson dealing with her throws their hands up and just says fuck it, we will build it elsewhere. And for what it is worth, I am skeptical that true Decriminalization could ever occur. Everything is regulated in the United States, even a kid trying to operate a lemonade stand needs a permit. The regulation and licensing, and its application to a business as controversial as sex work, would be the ultimate government shakedown for everyone involved. It just won't work. Even Germany basically just gives up on trying to enforce its regulations on sex work, in no small part because independent escorts are impossible to regulate, and imposing greater restrictions on its showcased legal brothels and FKKs would make the government look ridiculous. That is exactly the case in Australia, and the government does look ridiculous. If you look at the local Australian reviews websites, independent escorts are far more popular than the government-licensed brothels where CBJ is theoretically required. The USA Has by definition unregulated commercial sex work since it is illegal. No one who enjoys independent escorts and Sugar Babies would want politicians deciding how sex should occur, nor would sex workers want the government to dictate where and how they work. Virtually all American sex workers who get involved in politics want true, full Decriminalization, but they are amazingly naive that doing so would make sex work the only unregulated business in the whole damn country.

But the greatest irony of all is that the many USA Politicians who claim to believe in true free markets would look at that room where a sex worker is selling sex to a customer and immediately believe the sex worker must be a victim of exploitation and coercion. They look for the nonexistent pimp. It is truly bizarre.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2504623]Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.[/QUOTE]Yeah, true USA needs younger leaders, unfortunately though neither pay-by-pussy nor the crazy is a real leader. Germany also needs some younger blood in leadership. France got Macca, but he's surrounded and led by people too old, even in his bedroom. Unless there's a upper limit to a career in politics (something like 58 or 60), the policies are going to stay based on fear of death.

But young doesn't always mean good innovative thinker, some kid named Greta or the crazy sensationalist girl with three letter acronym already proved that to us numerous times. So there is that risk.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2504503]I agree. Social conservativism gives people something to have when it comes to identity politics.

In rural America, this often centers around church, which rails against abortion.

They believe, with some accuracy, that the government just prints money and hands it out to everyone but them.

So fiscal dove, social conservative appeals to a lot of Americans, especially in rural America where guns are popular.[/QUOTE]These are the popular and clich portrayals of rural, red America, but it's much deeper than that. These political stances regarding religion and guns are only surface level talking points. They are not the root cause of the mentality. You can arbitrarily change those political positions and issues and the effect would still be the same. At the heart of their choice to position themselves on their side of the aisle are 2 things.

1. Pack mentality leading to tribalism.

2. Genuine disdain for the leftist agenda.

The first is a natural phenomenon that's definitely mirrored on the left / liberal side. The latter is the Democratic party's own fault. They try too hard to tell people how to think and behave. They superficially get behind feel-good but poorly planned agendas. If the fuzzy, feel-good, kumbaya wing of the Democratic party would stop villainizing the tens of millions of good people who just want to live their lives without being told that they are oppressors of less fortunate people, there wouldn't be this fierce backlash leading people to support obviously incompetent leaders such as Trump.

They hate the phony, controlling wing of the Democratic party more.

As for the people who actually genuinely believe that the Trumpian message is a winning and productive platform, well as we condescendingly and facetiously say in the South, "Bless their hearts."

[URL]https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/bless-your-heart[/URL]

[QUOTE=Martin39;2504638]I fully agree with you and I am aware my view is a minority and politicians (you named a couple on both sides) are getting extinct. Lower middle class did get slammed by globalization and even middle class jobs are not as safe as they used to be. Don't want to imagine what this trend will bring us going forward. The extremists on both side of the isle taking over their parties and the middle ground disappearing. Compromise seems to be a swear word nowadays.

I used to live in the bible belt and still (mail) vote there and have plenty of friends there (including Trump supporters). My house in the suburbs had plenty of churches within 1 mile. I did have guns at the house (usually locked in the safe though) and liked to shoot at a range or a friends farm.

Since this is a monger forum I still remember the old days in the 90's before it was cleaned up with plenty of monger options relative openly available in the city (brothel's, street walkers, .). Now even strip clubs have a no touching policy. In the older days you went to church on Sunday's and started sinning Monday morning, rinse and repeat. Clinton is a good example.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I live in a semi-red state as well but like all urban / suburbs, things are changing. My parents still live in the area I grew up in and that remains deeply red as you said and it feels a bit sad to see many people left behind. That said, Trump still received nearly half of college White vote; a slight majority in my office are right leaning from what I know. People have entrenched opinions. I am one of the few people that I know of who changed his vote in the last few years.

I owned a Glock compact and Winchester for a while; bought a 2nd one (19) during the pandemic but haven't had a chance to try it yet. I actually put an order for it in late Feb but finally got my hands on it in May.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2504626]Usually, this time of the year is spent planning for my last trip of the year to FKK in early December or in November, but this year instead I wait for Canelo fight and mike Tyson fight, whatta difference LOL!

At least, by coincidence, I went to globe in early this year in Jan. And Feb! Who would have thought virus would close all FKK for most of the year! We discussed about authority, this and that, but never thought virus via CCP going to affect FKK operations LOL! Whatta counter punch to mongering world LOL![/QUOTE]You are right it was completely unpredictable. Also the fault of all he medias, I remember in may and June most of them were saying that may be a second wave will take place in winter most probably February. The second wave was already there end of October in Europe, now they all speak about the vaccine but the real specialist of the infection diseases have some doubts just because we have now variant 4 and for sure the vaccine will not work for variant 1 and 4.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2504617]Possible but really discouraged: [URL]https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/regional-guidelines-and-restrictions/stockholm-county[/URL].

What did your PM say? He said that:

Source: [URL]https://news.trust.org/item/20201116135516-ilta9/[/URL].

Is Reuters a fake news media?

Not so packed without big tables and no alcohol after 10 pm.

Source: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/sweden-limits-public-gatherings-to-eight-people-amid-covid-surge[/URL].

How do you call this?

Source: [URL]https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news[/URL].

Just new guidelines?

Not so much it seems.

Thank you BolsoTrump, it was a pleasure talking to you.[/QUOTE]So you admit that people are allowed to move freely, the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open? But yet you claim that there's a lockdown? Hilarious. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that I was right and you were wrong?

In regards to the recommendations, it's nothing new. It's basically the same old recommendations as in March.

You wrote that they changed their strategy, incorrect. You wrote Sweden had a light lockdown, incorrect.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504507]I think you may be correct. Like here in the USA, people of lower socioeconomic means are the ones that are much more care-free regarding their actions on this pandemic. Some must work because of the nature of their jobs, but at non-essential late night social venues, the people out and about are generally more of the riff raff. Even amongst the young 20 something year olds, the more well-to-do ones are not out at these venues as much as the rougher crowds.

Point is that there are some mandated restrictions and in practice, the population are acting responsibly and the virus factors into the average Swede's decisions on level of physical distancing. Voluntarily but similar effect nonetheless.

Yes, "Lock down" should be better defined.[/QUOTE]Actually, Shoo Bre is a book. But cool, I'm now an Arabic Trump-supporter from the hoods of Stockholm who used to live in Mountain View.

Unlike little buddy, you actually got a clue what's happening in Sweden. I much prefer the Swedish approach over the draconian measures some other countries resorted to. Since I don't cook I really don't want the restaurants to be closed down. That would be the death of me.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504600]Regarding her being "smart", wasn't she a bartender?[/QUOTE]Confirmation of simplistic thought process. Just another insignificant person who's unable to think outside of a bubble limited to their pre-packaged, of-the-rack ideas of reality.

I remember after undergrad, my first job was a research associate only making $40 K per year in Santa Barbara, California. That's basically $20/ hour in one of the more expensive places to live in America. But I kept a part time job as a bartender and pulled in 50 up to nearly $100/ HR (cash) in tips working at lounges and busy nightclubs. It's called a side hustle and a point of pride for people who who actually have bigger goals and are willing to work for it.

When chloroquine for forbidden to try to cure virus in France, but vitamin the may be more safe than rush vaccine with other effects to discover?