Kyiv

[QUOTE=Desin;2691125]Did you have some text on your Mamba profile?[/QUOTE]No, I don't post any text on mamba. Your target crowd doesn't care about the text anyways. They do care about pictures, somewhat.

War should hopefully be over in a few weeks. Kiev will be twice as good as it was before, foreign money with money to spend will be able to fully enjoy ourselves. Every day I hope I will read "War in Ukraine is over."

Hi fellow comrades,

I'm new in the forum and I'm looking for some help with finding contacts of Ukrainian girls who might be in Poland now.

Must surely some of you know girls that had to go to Warsaw or Krakow because of the "special operation". I'll be visiting the country sometime next week and some help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advanced.

[QUOTE=HulaHoops;2667863]To all the men thinking of coming to Ukraine for easy pussy, my answer quickly: Not worth it whatsoever. If I had known the situation was like this, I would honestly have never come. People are actually dying here, in Kiev because of Russian shelling. There is an actual threat to life. Coming here for pussy, is not worth it.

Summary:

We came as a group of about 5 of us. We are all over 60 and some in the group have actual military experience. We thought Putin was just posturing and that there was no chance in hell, he would actually send troops / tanks in.

We were completely wrong. We are in Kiev right now and they are tanks. Kiev and Kharkov are both surrounded by Russian soldiers and are under heavy shelling.

People on this board / the average newsreader doesn't understand how bad the situation is right now. For once, I would say the American media is downplaying how bad the situation in Kiev is. Electricity is sporadic. Internet is sporadic. Right now I am posting through a VPN. Getting access to food is becoming harder and harder. There is no one outside in the streets. Shops are closed, of course the shops are closed. All the shop owners are in the bomb shelter. Everyone is either in the bomb shelter or cowering at home. The streets are empty apart from soldiers. A few days ago, Russian soldiers wearing Ukrainian clothes were found and executed. They are plenty more like that. I am sure you have seen the video of a Russian tank running over a man who is in a car. That is just the tip of the iceberg, there are more atrocities being committed that are not recorded..[/QUOTE]So, you and your group predicted Putin wouldn't invade (big oops)! And you posted at length about your horrific experiences. Yet now you feel confident in predicting a rosy post-war scenario? Am I missing something here?

All my old posts were made in a state of panic and wondering if I would be stuck and unable to leave an active warzone.

It wasn't that bad and it's definitely improved now. Right now, western Ukraine is pretty peaceful.

Of course, it will be extremely silly to go to Ukraine now. But as soon as the war stop, it's going to be one of the best places on earth. Women that are friendly and seeking comfort, very very open to meeting new guys.

I mentioned Chisinau twice in this forum, but upon further investigation, Chisinau is not good for girls from Kyiv or central Ukraine because Transdniestria has blocked borders. My new plan is fly to Romania in June, then take the bus to either northeast Romania, maybe continuing on to Chernivitsi or Vinnytsia or even Kyiv in Ukraine, depending on the situation.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2691705]I mentioned Chisinau twice in this forum, but upon further investigation, Chisinau is not good for girls from Kyiv or central Ukraine because Transdniestria has blocked borders. [/QUOTE]You can enter MD via Odessa, not crossing PMR.

I have always loved and visited Ukraine, Lviv, Kyiv and all the major cities. I am a man in my 60's, I have travelled all over Eastern Europe. If you name a country in Eastern Europe I have been there and most likely spent a few months living there. I enjoy looking for the best places to monger and find semi / non-pros. Ukraine has always been my crown jewel and a hidden gem for me.

Out of all the countries and cities I have visited in Europe in terms of friendliness and receptive women, the best is hands-down Ukraine. In terms of the most attractive women, most friendly, cheapest, lowest amount of gold-diggers and most open to relationships with men of my age. Ukraine is the country me and my friends had the most fun and had the best reception from the women. If you will speak to most women in Ukraine, you will hear from quite a few of them that their parents relationships had an age-gap so I guess that's why there's not that much of a negative stereotype. In Ukraine, it was easiest for us to arrange mutually beneficial with women and very rare for us to get negative reactions. At least compared to the western sex prison countries that some of us come from.

In Ukraine, you have the benefit of English speakers, a large amount of women so they don't have that small town mentality where they are scared of being seen with a foreigner. Now with the war hopefully coming to an end, there's going to be a large drop in the price of money demanded by women. They will be happy to get whatever they can, even if you use an online dating app you will see that women are very eager to meet foreign men. May / June I aim to be in Kyiv or Lviv.

[QUOTE=HulaHoops;2691656]All my old posts were made in a state of panic and wondering if I would be stuck and unable to leave an active warzone.

It wasn't that bad and it's definitely improved now. Right now, western Ukraine is pretty peaceful.

Of course, it will be extremely silly to go to Ukraine now. But as soon as the war stop, it's going to be one of the best places on earth. Women that are friendly and seeking comfort, very very open to meeting new guys.[/QUOTE]In the way that panic is at one end of the emotional pendulum, excessive optimism is at the other. To my mind, statements and predictions made at either extreme are problematic.

So, while I certainly hope that your rosy post-war mongering scenario comes to pass, I'm cognizant of many negative factors that could very well present themselves. And I'm also aware of the fact that there are many variables and circumstances we simply don't know about yet, and can't readily predict.

So I guess the short version of what I'm saying is "hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. " Your posts, however, seem to be implying that there will be no "worst," and no potential negatives at all. I'm not sure that will prove to be accurate and I'd take predictions of an unqualified positive mongering environment with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=HulaHoops;2691790]I have always loved and visited Ukraine, Lviv, Kyiv and all the major cities. I am a man in my 60's, I have travelled all over Eastern Europe. If you name a country in Eastern Europe I have been there and most likely spent a few months living there. I enjoy looking for the best places to monger and find semi / non-pros. Ukraine has always been my crown jewel and a hidden gem for me.

Out of all the countries and cities I have visited in Europe in terms of friendliness and receptive women, the best is hands-down Ukraine. In terms of the most attractive women, most friendly, cheapest, lowest amount of gold-diggers and most open to relationships with men of my age. Ukraine is the country me and my friends had the most fun and had the best reception from the women. If you will speak to most women in Ukraine, you will hear from quite a few of them that their parents relationships had an age-gap so I guess that's why there's not that much of a negative stereotype. In Ukraine, it was easiest for us to arrange mutually beneficial with women and very rare for us to get negative reactions. At least compared to the western sex prison countries that some of us come from.

In Ukraine, you have the benefit of English speakers, a large amount of women so they don't have that small town mentality where they are scared of being seen with a foreigner. Now with the war hopefully coming to an end, there's going to be a large drop in the price of money demanded by women. They will be happy to get whatever they can, even if you use an online dating app you will see that women are very eager to meet foreign men. May / June I aim to be in Kyiv or Lviv.[/QUOTE]You think the war will be over then? Like you thought Russia would not invade?

[QUOTE=HulaHoops;2691656]All my old posts were made in a state of panic and wondering if I would be stuck and unable to leave an active warzone.

It wasn't that bad and it's definitely improved now. Right now, western Ukraine is pretty peaceful.

Of course, it will be extremely silly to go to Ukraine now. But as soon as the war stop, it's going to be one of the best places on earth. Women that are friendly and seeking comfort, very very open to meeting new guys.[/QUOTE]It won't be that easy. I don't think that the prices will go down extremely and that masses of willing girls will be available again. It's war at the moment. All the girls who are still in Ukraine have a lack of money. After the war, exactly the opposite will happen. Then greed takes over again.

It is now easier to go to Western Europe. There you can get a legal residence permit. Many girls have already used this. Not much will change immediately after the war. Ukrainians have always had a keen sense of where money can be made.

Why should girls fuck in Kyiv for $50 or $100 after the war? There is an opportunity to go to other countries. Where prostitution is legal. And you can make a lot more money with the job than for cheap prices in Kyiv. The not-so-beautiful women then stay in Ukraine. The beautiful or clever women go abroad, buy an apartment in Ukraine and come back only for vacation. But not to fuck 60+ men for cheap.

In western Ukraine in particular, the opposite is already noticeable. Fucking for food or to pay the rent? There's no reason for that anymore. Food is free everywhere. If you have absolutely nothing, you can go abroad. Female students too. Because unlike in the Ukraine, you can study for free in western Europe in many countries. In Germany there is even money for living expenses from the state.

A single woman with a child in Kyiv and without a job was driven into prostitution by the lack of money. Now this woman can live the train or bus to Germany. There is a free apartment, money for furnishing the apartment, free health insurance and at least 600 euros for living expenses. A value of at least 1200 or 1400 euros per month. All without prostituting yourself for it. Everything legal. Which wasn't the case before. Which path will many of these women choose? Fucking in Ukraine for a living or all for free in western Europe?

"While I certainly hope that your rosy post-war mongering scenario comes to pass, I'm cognizant of many negative factors that could very well present themselves. And I'm also aware of the fact that there are many variables and circumstances we simply don't know about yet, and can't readily predict."

Many Factors will surface in the post _war situation in Ukraine and Kiev in particular. "Because, as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know."

It's not as easy to leave Ukraine and go to western Europe as it seems.

I am speaking to lots of women that left Ukraine and for those that did not know anyone in the western country, many of them are just waiting for the war to be over so they can go back to Ukraine. A lot of women I am speaking, are being forced to work and clean and are basically at the whims of the people they are staying with.

Not to mention those that can't speak English are in terrible positions in western countries. The media will always portray the best stories or the worst stories. Never the middle ground of the family that took in a refugee and has maid the refugee do all the housework like a maid.

Anyway we will just have to see what happens in the Ukraine when the war finishes and foreigners arrive.

I do still believe it will be a feast for men.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2692018]A single woman with a child in Kyiv and without a job was driven into prostitution by the lack of money. Now this woman can live the train or bus to Germany. There is a free apartment, money for furnishing the apartment, free health insurance and at least 600 euros for living expenses. A value of at least 1200 or 1400 euros per month. All without prostituting yourself for it. Everything legal. Which wasn't the case before. Which path will many of these women choose? Fucking in Ukraine for a living or all for free in western Europe?[/QUOTE]More than 1000 Euro is a little exaggerating. But 500 Euros is the minimum. I would say 600 to 700 Euro per person per month. I don't know if there is free apartment in Germany. But if a German provide an Ukrainian a room to live, he can get 200 to 300 Euro from the government. The food will cost 150 to 200 Euro per month if you eat meat one time per day. 10 eggs costs about 2 Euro in supermarket, 500 gram bread costs about 80 cents, you can imagine the living cost in Germany. I don't know insurance cost. For a normal worker the insurance will cost at least 300 Euro per month, but for student and refugees it should be much cheaper. Some cities even provide free German courses. Some cities are discussing if they should let Ukrainians have the working permit, because at least they can clean the room or taking care of children.

I tried with Mamba to hook up some women in Kiev, the chance at the moment is extremely low, they just don't reply. I don't think things will get better soon, because the girls in Germany will invite their sisters to come to Germany instead of waiting some foreign prophets.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2692018]It won't be that easy. I don't think that the prices will go down extremely and that masses of willing girls will be available again. It's war at the moment. All the girls who are still in Ukraine have a lack of money. After the war, exactly the opposite will happen. Then greed takes over again.

It is now easier to go to Western Europe. There you can get a legal residence permit. Many girls have already used this. Not much will change immediately after the war. Ukrainians have always had a keen sense of where money can be made.

Why should girls fuck in Kyiv for $50 or $100 after the war? There is an opportunity to go to other countries. Where prostitution is legal. And you can make a lot more money with the job than for cheap prices in Kyiv. The not-so-beautiful women then stay in Ukraine. The beautiful or clever women go abroad, buy an apartment in Ukraine and come back only for vacation. But not to fuck 60+ men for cheap.

In western Ukraine in particular, the opposite is already noticeable. Fucking for food or to pay the rent? There's no reason for that anymore. Food is free everywhere. If you have absolutely nothing, you can go abroad. Female students too. Because unlike in the Ukraine, you can study for free in western Europe in many countries. In Germany there is even money for living expenses from the state.[/QUOTE]The post-war situation in Ukraine will be radically different, both in the ways you point out and in other ways we don't yet know. And I think you're spot on to point out the economic advantages of Ukrainian women moving to other, more lucrative, cities in Europe (or further abroad) and sending money back home. While we'll have to wait and see how things develop, it's definitely not going back to "business as usual" and will likely be pretty chaotic.