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Another article referred to only soapies where sexual servies are obvious. An oily massage in Pattaya does not necessarily mean there is FS by any means, at least in the shop.
Who knows if this stuff is legit but an easy search on "excise tax Pattaya" will bring up a few recent articles.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2013250]Another article referred to only soapies where sexual servies are obvious. An oily massage in Pattaya does not necessarily mean there is FS by any means, at least in the shop.
Who knows if this stuff is legit but an easy search on "excise tax Pattaya" will bring up a few recent articles.[/QUOTE]Anyway, if paid sex is illegal, I don't see how it can be taxed. Most MPs are trying to pretend their is no sex going on there. Signs on the walls state that no sex will occur under any circumstances. LOL.
I now quote the the Stickboy article more fully (including the obvious deliberate error):
"New excise tax ceiling rates have been passed into law after they were published in the Royal Gazette on Monday.
The rates set tax levels for the next 20 years and are enforceable in the next 180 days, however, the head of the Excise Department said on Tuesday some 80 other laws would have to be enacted in order for the new amendments to be used to set % increases.
Several examples of the new ceiling excise tax rates include:
A single cigarette 5 baht.
A litre of beer 3,000 baht.
A litre of carbonated soft drinks 20 baht.
A litre of diesel 20 baht.
A single service at a massage parlour 1,000 baht.
A square metre of space in a nightclub 1,000 baht.
As I mentioned the other day, no need to panic about sharp increases as those outlined above are the maximum increases over the next two decades.
5 baht for a single cigarette would see 100 baht added to a pack of 20 that isn't happening in one go, nor is the 1,000 baht for a massage or any of the others in the new bill.
When will we see an actual tax increases? Likely by the end of the year but not at those rates above, that's for sure.
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Another article suggested ([URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/974753-cost-of-vice-to-skyrocket-cigarettes-and-soapy-massage-charges%C2%A0expected-to-rise-dramatically/[/URL]):
"Excise charges on bathing at massage parlors is set to go up by 1,000 baht a time. ".
It's all so silly really. If 1 K was really collectable, all these places will go out of business. Escorts will take over, LOL until they get a high tax.
I guess all those guys who hate taking a bath, won't have to any more, LOL. Just go straight to the sex.
"A square meter of space in a nightclub 1,000 baht. ".
That's a quick way to kill tourism just imagine the cover charge w would have to pay just to get in.
Hit Soi 6 and Kinnaree. Made a couple walks up and down 6 but nothing really stood out. Imo talent pool currently a bit week. Decided to hit Kinnaree. I was disappointed. Most girls were traditional Thai look that Syzy would prefer. Not ugly but again nothing stood out. I was literally about to leave when I met a great new girl her first day on the job. I tried training her well for you guys. She is keen and definitely not a pro. Of note, Kinnaree now requires health checks for girls. I'm assuming this is part of the new clampdown.
Also made a pass along BR on a baht bus last night. Quite a few girls out and some looked ok, from the baht bus anyways. Would have hopped off but made arrangements to meet a buddy on Walking Street.
Just returned from my very first time to Pattaya. Had an amazing time and wish I was able to stay longer than I had. I honestly miss it already and do plan on coming back for vacation soon. And if it's possible, a good destination for expatriation or retirement as well.
Below are some quick highlights and summary of my trip.
Soapy Massage.
Visited Sabai Room on 2nd Road.
Interesting experience with the soaping and body gliding cleaning.
Although I had a good experience I didn't feel like it warranted a repeat.
Soi 6 Beer bars.
I felt really uncomfortable walking down this street. Perhaps because I was a newbie. And the thought of carrying a conversation with my nonexistent Thai and their nonexistent English also turned me away. Perhaps on my next trip, I'll be brave enough to venture inside one of those beer bars.
Walking Street and LK Metro Agogo bars.
8 total visited.
Windmill, Baccara, Iron Club on Walking Street.
Office, Touch, Sugar, Kiss, and Paradise on LK Metro.
Ended up bar fining girls at the Windmill, Sugar, Office and Kiss.
Great entertainment with music and party atmosphere, but expensive because my drinks and LDs, barfines added up quickly.
Beach Road Freelancers.
Had the most success and best bang for my buck here. Met with a total of 3 freelancers. I was content with all of them. Never felt any buyer's remorse.
- 20 year old Cambodian girl. Very pretty. Tiny petite little thing about 5'2" maybe.
- 26 year old Thai girl.
- 21 year old Cambodian girl. Beautiful girl, flawless skin, big round eyes. Solid 9 in my eyes and best looking girl of all the girls I've encountered in the entire trip. She was small and petite as well. 5'4" maybe. She is the only girl I repeated with; set up a LT date with her for the very next night, which also happened to be my last night. We banged, ate, then went clubbing till 3 am in the morning with 3 other of her girlfriends; one of which was the 20 yr old Cambodian I slept with the first night. I couldn't finish back at the hotel room because of the alcohol though.
Walking Street Freelancers.
I didn't have the guts to stop and talk to the walking freelancers on WS. Too self conscious about being seen. I guess I didn't have that problem on Beach Road because it's darker there with less people and all the guys there have the same motive anyways.
BJ Bar.
Checked out La Poste close by my hotel. I must say the quality there was pretty bad. I sat down at the bar and was approached one-by-one by 3 girls asking me "You want spend time with me? I had to politely reject them all. Finally, one I considered attractive walked from behind the bar and sat with me asking "Are you waiting for me?" I felt instant relief because I thought all along she was some owner / manager. I bought her a lady drink and the top came off. I took her to the back curtained area and experienced a magnificent BBBJCIM. She was attractive, a lot paler than fellow Thais; almost like Vietnamese features. Made sure I knew her schedule and I repeated with her on the last 3 consecutive days of my trip. On the second day I went there at store opening, there was another that was equally as attractive, but I decided to stay with girl from before since I knew what I was getting.
Club / Insomniac.
I walked into Insomniac one night around 2 am. Seems like a lot of working girls there waiting for customers. I understand all the agogo bar girls head there after 3:30 am, but I never got a chance to see what that was like since I'm usually done for the night with nothing left in the chamber. My 20 year old Cambodian FR took me to Lucifer on my last night, and another club I can't recall because of the alcohol in my system.
Summary.
Had the best time with BR freelancers. The 2 prettiest girls from my entire trip were the 2 Cambodian girls. I'll make more BR visits more often and only go sparingly to agogos to avoid the added cost of drinks and barfines. Plus a lot of the gogo girls after they sit with you, upon closer inspection aren't as fine as initially thought. Found the quality of BJ bar girls to be pretty bad, but found one really to my liking. Soapies probably one and done for me. Too shy and intimidated to try venture down Soi 6 and WS freelancers. The club scene interest me and I'the like to go about picking a freelancer there next time.
Number of days: 7.
Number of girls: 10.
Number of pops: 20.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2013598]Decided to hit Kinnaree. I was disappointed. Most girls were traditional Thai look that Syzy would prefer. Not ugly but again nothing stood out. I was literally about to leave when I met a great new girl her first day on the job. I tried training her well for you guys.[/QUOTE]I already liked Asian looks from when I was a teenager. James Bond so lucky in You Only Live Twice. LOL.
25 years ago, you may have struggled in Thailand. No westernised Thai girls or very few in Thermae, or bars. Not so many Japanese here. Young bar girls did not often have nose jobs and very few silicone implants as well. They could not afford it. Not many girls were already fat at age 22. Thai girls in those days tended to let themselves go to fat when married, having kids and reaching 35 Years Old.
Sure some fatties around, in fact my main buddy who was experienced liked them voluptuous to fat and said all my girls were skin and bones. We never wanted the same girl, almost never. Sometimes he could appreciate one of my girls not so skinny and with big natural tits. He like round faced girls, I liked slim faced girls.
My tastes have changed though. I am more fussy about looks than before. Especially about noses and avoiding very saggy stuff. Very saggy ass, belly or tits is big turn off.
Number of girls that are failures on the bed in modern day seems greater. Perhaps girls were much keener on Farangs in the old days and more horny. Soapies have declined badly for me. Perhaps can be good for you due to the westernised looks.
Rip off type girls have always existed but the numbers of these probably increase.
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[/QUOTE]Great report! Love it. Reminds me of my first trip to Pattaya nearly 2 decades ago. And till date I have exactly the same feeling each time I return home from a Thailand trip. Can't wait to get back. More power to you and thanks for writing an actual report!
[QUOTE]A couple final pts:
- Obviously I am head over heels for this girl, but not a naive fool. I'd like to get back sooner than later, and will definitely inquire about meeting up, but I'd be interested in what the veterans would say to me here. A true GFE with what seems to be compatible rapport is not easy to find, my buddy thinks I'm crazy for even messaging with her since returning to US.
- Is there a trend with australian boyfriends? This girl, and another that I met mentioned that they were both in 2+ year relationships that did not work out. Coincidence?
Over and out all.
-TJM.[/QUOTE]Can truly recommend you to read an excellent book from Stephen Leather: Private Dancer. It is a novel about love, betrayal and death in Thailand. After reading it at least you can not say you have not been warned about falling in love with a bargirl!
[QUOTE=Lakeside;2013812]Can truly recommend you to read an excellent book from Stephen Leather: Private Dancer. It is a novel about love, betrayal and death in Thailand. After reading it at least you can not say you have not been warned about falling in love with a bargirl![/QUOTE]That's my favorite book.
[QUOTE=Lakeside;2013812]Can truly recommend you to read an excellent book from Stephen Leather: Private Dancer. It is a novel about love, betrayal and death in Thailand. After reading it at least you can not say you have not been warned about falling in love with a bargirl![/QUOTE]Good tip! Just ordered it off Amazon. Any other recommendations?
He has another book named Angels of Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Yiruma;2013659]Soi 6 Beer bars.
I felt really uncomfortable walking down this street. Perhaps because I was a newbie. And the thought of carrying a conversation with my nonexistent Thai and their nonexistent English also turned me away. Perhaps on my next trip, I'll be brave enough to venture inside one of those beer bars.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 is one of the few places on this planet that you shouldn't be shy. The girls there are able to communicate what you need. Other girls and mamasans will help with translating if need be. It's your money, your vacation, and everybody on that soi is there for the same reason as you. Go for it! Same same for walking street but keep in mind a good percentage of SWs on Walking Street are ladyboys. And with some of them it is very hard to tell.
You actually did a great job especially for your first trip. Your trip report was great as well.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2013981]He has another book named Angels of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Sounds like he's done some real research!
I came to an epiphany last night. This girl has been in my head since I left BKK. The mistake was connecting on chat after I left. I'm not going to cut off the chat, but I've rationalized that I'm likely one of MANY guys she's working with the same type of communications. I'm not special, I'm just a prospect. I'm fine with that, and I like having the connection for a good time next time I'm in BKK; but that means there's no 'emotional' connection. I can play the game and keep her on the hook, and to help ensure a high GFE experience when I'm back, but with no personal feelings.
[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2013994]Sounds like he's done some real research!
I came to an epiphany last night. This girl has been in my head since I left BKK. The mistake was connecting on chat after I left. I'm not going to cut off the chat, but I've rationalized that I'm likely one of MANY guys she's working with the same type of communications. I'm not special, I'm just a prospect. I'm fine with that, and I like having the connection for a good time next time I'm in BKK; but that means there's no 'emotional' connection. I can play the game and keep her on the hook, and to help ensure a high GFE experience when I'm back, but with no personal feelings.[/QUOTE]Congratulations! You've made the right decision and you won't regret it.
[QUOTE=Allover;2013983]Same same for walking street but keep in mind a good percentage of SWs on Walking Street are ladyboys. And with some of them it is very hard to tell.[/QUOTE]Since the police have put checkpoints at the few places on Walking Street where ladyboy SWs would stand, their numbers have drastically decreased. Probably because most were only out there to rob and pickpocket.