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Moving to a new country with no language is not as rosy as it seems.

If war is over by end of May, latest end of June. Free handouts will stop August. If you'll read the news you'll see that people are beginning to move on from the war of Ukraine, in fact if you read polish news you'll see that:

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/polands-resources-running-dry-ukrainian-refugee-crisis-continues-rcna25991[/URL]

People are actually starting to get fed up of all the refugees. It's not all roses and flowers for refugees, most refugees aren't being treated fairly and not all countries in western Europe are easy to access.

Use seeking benefits, tinder, mamba and you will see that the women there are definitely looking for foreign men. A war has devastating effects on a country's economy and no matter what provisions are provided, a Ukrainian person will always try and stay closest to Ukraine or she'll go where her family is and western Europe is so expensive to someone coming from Ukraine with no job. That's why most Ukrainians are currently in Poland. They could go Germany or Netherlands but they stay in Poland. Why, because they want to go home. Not to mention the language barrier.

All I'm saying is after the war, there will definitely be women open and very willing to meet western men.

[QUOTE=HulaHoops;2692185]Moving to a new country with no language is not as rosy as it seems.

If war is over by end of May, latest end of June. Free handouts will stop August. If you'll read the news you'll see that people are beginning to move on from the war of Ukraine, in fact if you read polish news you'll see that:

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/polands-resources-running-dry-ukrainian-refugee-crisis-continues-rcna25991[/URL]

People are actually starting to get fed up of all the refugees. It's not all roses and flowers for refugees, most refugees aren't being treated fairly and not all countries in western Europe are easy to access.

Use seeking benefits, tinder, mamba and you will see that the women there are definitely looking for foreign men. A war has devastating effects on a country's economy and no matter what provisions are provided, a Ukrainian person will always try and stay closest to Ukraine or she'll go where her family is and western Europe is so expensive to someone coming from Ukraine with no job. That's why most Ukrainians are currently in Poland. They could go Germany or Netherlands but they stay in Poland. Why, because they want to go home. Not to mention the language barrier.

All I'm saying is after the war, there will definitely be women open and very willing to meet western men.[/QUOTE]Do you have an inside source at the Kremlin? What if Putin, without a clear path to victory but unwilling and unable to admit defeat, decides to double-down and escalate? The latest scenario I've seen discussed is a possible invasion of Moldova, using attacks in Transnistria (blamed on Ukraine) as a pretext. If something like that happens, it could have the effect of opening up a new front in this war and it would almost certainly prolong things. Or he could decide to just remain in a stalemated position for a while, along the current lines of demarcation, and continue to lob missiles occasionally at Kyiv, Lviv, Odessa, etc. The point is that there are a large number of factors that will determine how long things continue. And, while we all hope it will end ASAP, it could realistically go on for much longer than expected.

I'm not in the business of predictions, rather I'm more about making observations about events and trends. As for your May and June timeline, while I applaud your optimism, I'd also offer the observation that you might want to retire your crystal ball. It really hasn't served you very well recently, has it?

We will just have to wait and see, I do hope and think end of may, end of June, the war hopefully should be winding up. Putin's forces are almost depleted and their bank account is surely hurting.

[QUOTE=HulaHoops;2692185]All I'm saying is after the war, there will definitely be women open and very willing to meet western men.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry to hear that, because it really hurts the feeling of colored people, including all men from Asia and Africa. Considering you have never posted any positive or successful experience in Kiev, I would say you have some strange view.

Nowadays the Ukrainian have the most difficulty time, no money, no job, no education chance, no good sleeping, even no hope! If they are not willing to meet foreigners now, I don't think after war they will change their mind. I tried hard to contact the girls on Mamba and also tried to persuade them to come to Germany, but until now no single reply. Of course I only contacted the above average looking girls. I can see they have read my messages. I just could not figure out why they don't even say a word like 'Thank you! If she is a smart girl, she should have heard or read on Internet, Germany provides very good accommodation for all Ukrainian refugees, not like some country only provides weapon and money but don't accept refugees. If she wants to earn more money by providing relaxation service, in Germany they can visit hotel or their customers, the police doesn't control prostitute's advertisement at all, of course, in Germany they can still find customers via VK, Mamba, Tinder, or Sugardaddy. Maybe some experienced members here can explain a little, why there are still some beauties in Kiev even now? (From Mamba I can see they are indeed in Kiev, one possibility is they are using fake photos.).

My group of monger friends includes one African-American man and an Indian man. They are both in their 50's. They use mamba, tinder and seeking to meet women in Ukraine. They are both talking to lots of women, they have women interested in them and they have very positive monger stories to say.

Of course if you open your first message with "Can you come to Germany and I will take care of you", the woman will naturally be suspicious and every single woman will ignore your all messages. One has to ask in a socially intelligent way and of course one must build a relationship with the woman, before asking such a big task of her. I like to have phone and video calls with the woman (without sending them money) and build a relationship with them. Just taking a bit of interest in her and her hobbies. Once I have built rapport then I will ask her to meet. When I left Ukraine, I stayed in Poland for a few weeks before I had to return to Berlin. I used this time to rent an Airbnb near the border. I used the method I described above and was able to meet a beautiful 22 year old Ukrainian woman online, she came to Poland and stayed with me. She did all cleaning, cooking and housework. We had lots of sex and I of course I gave her a generous amount of which she was extremely grateful for it. I had to leave back to Berlin but I gave her a great financial gift, she lives in an accommodation with an elderly Polish couple in Poland, we have video calls everyday, and we are in a semi-relationship. I will be going to visit her in Poland in the upcoming weeks however she does mention that she misses Ukraine and is just waiting for the war to finish so she can return home.

I know others mongers my age offline that are in situations that I was / am in. I know men my age in my 60's who have moved temporarily to Poland and are living with very attractive Ukrainians who they care for. These mongers will never post online about their situations because of course they don't want everyone doing it and they don't want to mess up the good thing they have.

There is gold to be found, one just has to put the work in to find it.

It's always a delight to read stories from a storyteller, whose story takes turns according to the comments the listeners give to him as a reaction to the latest plot twists he has just told.

But about the matter at hand, I just wonder how will all the services that tourists rely on come back to life in Kiev after the war. How soon. Or late. Will restaurants and cafes start to operate, how long will they be able to do their business? I'd suppose the locals would have to revitalize the downtown by their spending, to get things back to normal. And then it could be a place of visit again.

Personally, I think I would feel unease there, being served by people who have either fled their country or served on the front line. And yet, maybe it would the 'back to normal' they'd eventually wish to find.

[QUOTE=Desin;2693257]It's always a delight to read stories from a storyteller, whose story takes turns according to the comments the listeners give to him as a reaction to the latest plot twists he has just told.

But about the matter at hand, I just wonder how will all the services that tourists rely on come back to life in Kiev after the war. How soon. Or late. Will restaurants and cafes start to operate, how long will they be able to do their business? I'd suppose the locals would have to revitalize the downtown by their spending, to get things back to normal. And then it could be a place of visit again.

Personally, I think I would feel unease there, being served by people who have either fled their country or served on the front line. And yet, maybe it would the 'back to normal' they'd eventually wish to find.[/QUOTE]I suspect there will be a huge inflow of Western money to rebuild the Kiev and other part of country.

While there is no exact comparison to a European country that suffered invasion in WW2 either allied or axis, liberator or aggressor, I think it will be fine to visit the Ukraine. I don't know how dangerous Germany was in the immediate aftermath of WW2. The Italians seemed consenting to Allied occupation. Again, none of these are exactly comparable situations. I'm also sure someone in those countries after WW2 was pissed off about things in the aftermath.

The only hope the Ukraine has longer-term is foreign investment and foreign cash. However, it might be best to avoid conspicuous mongering for awhile.

One simply has to put the work in and use all different platforms available to them, to be able to meet attractive women who will be open to meet.

"One simply has to put the work in and use all different platforms available to them, to be able to meet attractive women who will be open to meet".

From the archives of the Cold War years 1950's.

1950's European Hula Hoop Craze. YouTube.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-zovbmm8lX8[/URL]

Now it seems Hoola Hoops are back in vogue in Ukraine and it would make a handy present and a topic of conversation, making contacts, Hoola Hooping on a Kiev Beach, HydroPark.

Make Hula Hoop, not War! Peace for Ukraine. [URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNn83GDB58[/URL].

A Japanese banker gives an account of being in Germany after World War One, women having sex for pennies. After World War Two, Germans used to line up outside cinemas to grab the cigarette butts from Allied soldiers who tossed them away. Any idea where are the war brides the GIs got came from?

You'll be in your element in Western Ukraine.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2693267]I suspect there will be a huge inflow of Western money to rebuild the Kiev and other part of country.

While there is no exact comparison to a European country that suffered invasion in WW2 either allied or axis, liberator or aggressor, I think it will be fine to visit the Ukraine. I don't know how dangerous Germany was in the immediate aftermath of WW2. The Italians seemed consenting to Allied occupation. Again, none of these are exactly comparable situations. I'm also sure someone in those countries after WW2 was pissed off about things in the aftermath.

The only hope the Ukraine has longer-term is foreign investment and foreign cash. However, it might be best to avoid conspicuous mongering for awhile.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2693850]A Japanese banker gives an account of being in Germany after World War One, women having sex for pennies. After World War Two, Germans used to line up outside cinemas to grab the cigarette butts from Allied soldiers who tossed them away. Any idea where are the war brides the GIs got came from?

You'll be in your element in Western Ukraine.[/QUOTE]As such, when the war comes to an end, places like Kyiv and Lviv should achieve relative normality pretty quickly. Obviously the areas brutalized by Russian troglodytes will recover more slowly, and the issue of returning refugees is a wild card that's hard to predict. But, wherever there's a lot of money circulating, sex workers are bound to flourish.

Russia, however, will be under sactions, reparations mandates (or both) for years or even decades. So the bleak post WW-I scenario you bring up is more likely to happen in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Except that the selection will probably be sparse, since any intelligent and attractive woman will do her best to leave a futureless country. But, for any monger who is able to get into Russia, it should be quite inexpensive. Forget money, as it'll probably have devolved into a barter economy. I'm guessing a roll of Western toilet paper will get you a roll in the hay.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2693850]A Japanese banker gives an account of being in Germany after World War One, women having sex for pennies. After World War Two, Germans used to line up outside cinemas to grab the cigarette butts from Allied soldiers who tossed them away. Any idea where are the war brides the GIs got came from?[/QUOTE]It definitely sounds a whole better than being gang raped by Russian soldiers. Not to mention, having to be one of millions rushing to flea to the United States / British side before the arrival of the Russian Mongol army.

An American cigarette butt was likely better than a fresh Soviet crap cigarette.

LOL "After World War Two, Germans used to line up outside cinemas to grab the cigarette butts from Allied soldiers who tossed them away".

45 Years later inThe Soviet Union, "Desperate Soviet smokers are resorting to extremes, puffing dried tea leaves and buying tobacco dust used as insecticide. And a new, stomach-turning trade has blossomed: Jars of used cigarette butts are on sale at peasant markets. Travelers returning from the Crimea say an eight-ounce glass of butts costs one ruble (about $1.60)."

[URL]https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-08-24-mn-1195-story.html[/URL]#text=The%20 Soviet%20 Union%20 has%2077,in%20 buses%2 C%20 elevators%20 and%20 restaurants.

I'm back in Ukraine now. I don't know about it elsewhere, but Mamba (a Russian site anyway) is definitely blocked here. Via the local landline provider, via my Lifecell card, but also via the free internet in the restaurant. Of course you can try any tricks and get to the site. But this blocking will probably mean the end for Mamba in Ukraine. Less new girls and clients.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2694533]I'm back in Ukraine now. I don't know about it elsewhere, but Mamba (a Russian site anyway) is definitely blocked here. Via the local landline provider, via my Lifecell card, but also via the free internet in the restaurant. Of course you can try any tricks and get to the site. But this blocking will probably mean the end for Mamba in Ukraine. Less new girls and clients.[/QUOTE]They will move to tinder.

I'm curious about situation there now, you feel safe? What city you are? How behave local people towards you? Women open to meet you?