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Not sure why people are still bothering with massage in Angeles City. This isn't Thailand, the girls are working massage because they don't want to have sex. Sure, 1 of 20 times you might find that rare cute massage girl who will give you an awesome happy ending, but in AC and most of the Philippines it is always going to be a let down.
Most Street massage girls don't make about 100 pesos per massage. They have to pay 100 for transportation and the house makes the rest. As stated earlier most don't last longer than 6 months. There was a group of girls with one company that were chasing Koreans. I think about 3-4 of them ended up marrying them. I knew 3 girls from the bunch of 10-12 and I would ask them to set me up with the real cute ones and they always replied that they only go out with Koreans. Not all or most were PNP. I had a hard time cracking the 3 at different times and they each took a while.
CM post about them starting out in the minor leagues is pure BS conjecture. Makes for a good fictional read but that is it. We all know the young girls start out commanding higher money and as they age and are in it longer that their value goes down and eventually end up in the minor leagues. As we all know that AC is different. Mostly newbie province girls coming to make some money and then leaving. Small percentage will stay and work as pros.
Quite a few cynical mongers here who are disturbed by having to pay for pussy in any shape or form of payment. Reminds me of a fellow that I once knew. Every month he would get real upset about paying for the water bill. He thought the water should be free! I asked him why should water be free? He replied “water is rain, it comes down free, why should we have to pay for it?”
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2164816]There was a group of girls with one company that were chasing Koreans. I think about 3-4 of them ended up marrying them. [/QUOTE]I wonder how long those marriages will last? What would an abandoned Pinay chick with a Korean residency stamp and Kopino kid do?
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Does anyone know what was going on here in these two cases?[/QUOTE]I think in both cases they only wanted you to come back and spend more money. The pretty massage girl was a classical example of 'bait and switch'. Most likely she's only working there to attract customers and doesn't give massage herself. Only the more average looking girls are giving the massages.
The case of the waitress was something similar. All she wanted was you to come back the next day and spend more money in the bar.
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Furthermore, those cute massage girl vaginas that you prefer to put your mouth on have had hundreds of trike driver dicks in them bareback with cream pie. The massage girls start out servicing Pinoys for 200 pesos. The local men monger differently from foreigners. They do it in a group and pool their money with each paying 200 pesos. Then one goes off with a trike to fetch the girl to the nipa hut where all of them will fall in line to fuck the one girl bareback cum-in-pussy. After each fella drops his cream pie in her pussy, the girl will quickly rinse off over a bucket of water to prepare for the next fella. She will do this until about 10 or more Pinoys fuck her one after another. [/QUOTE]Fiction like this that has nothing to do with reality should be forbidden at this forum. Please take your fantasies to some erotic stories site if that's what turns you on. They don't belong here.
I have reported some of your posts to the admin. I hope more people are doing that so we might get rid of you some day.
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Nice report "nice guy". Its good to get a different perspective. I think the more mature mongers appreciate your view.[/QUOTE]Yes, they certainly do!
[QUOTE=VicVeg;2164738]They seem like priveledged girls that are being taken care of by the owner of the company they work for. [/QUOTE]Taken care of? More likely being exploited by the 'owners' (either male or female pimps).
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In manila, I use to frequently call up an 18 year old call girl from an agency. When I first got her, she was sweet, and innocent and perky and fun loving in the sack. I could tell she enjoyed it and the money. I got her again a year later, after probably 100 dicks, and she was tired, acted used up, jaded, and didn't like the sex. She probably had made so much money and got the 'whoring' bug out of her system, that she didn't need or want to do it anymore. And like clockwork, the next time I went back, she was gone.[/QUOTE]From what I have understood from the massage girls that I have taken to my room over the years, is that they usually have to be available 24 hours a day. They hand out cards with their name and phone number, but the phone number is usually the number of her pimp. If a customer calls and wants a specific girl she will have to go to him, no matter how many customers she already had that day and no matter how much sleep she got.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2164797]I have to agree with you on this point. The basic massage is quoted as 400 PHP, which allows you to get the girl into your room for an hour. The girls gives her pimp / manager 200 PHP of this, and after that, it's all upsell which she pockets. Extra for HJ, extra for BBBJ, extra to take her clothes off and extra for sex. The pimp has no way of knowing what service was provided.[/QUOTE]I doubt that the girls are pocketing all of the upsell. Some massage girls told me they also have to give a part of that to the pimp. But it's hard to say if that is true or just a sob story. Anyway the pimp doesn't need to know what service was provided, (s)he can simply go through her pockets to find the money.
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2164581]Furthermore, those cute massage girl vaginas that you prefer to put your mouth on have had hundreds of trike driver dicks in them bareback with cream pie. The massage girls start out servicing Pinoys for 200 pesos. The local men monger differently from foreigners. They do it in a group and pool their money with each paying 200 pesos. Then one goes off with a trike to fetch the girl to the nipa hut where all of them will fall in line to fuck the one girl bareback cum-in-pussy. After each fella drops his cream pie in her pussy, the girl will quickly rinse off over a bucket of water to prepare for the next fella. She will do this until about 10 or more Pinoys fuck her one after another. It takes less than a dozen of these transactions for her to fuck over a hundred cocks bareback. By the time she gets to you on Walking Street a few years later, when she graduates to servicing foreign johns, the only fresh and innocent part of her is in your imagination. LOL!
Fuc[/QUOTE][QUOTE=VicVeg;2164738]I don't believe it. The young FL massage girls down the street from kokomos are not the type. Why would they waste their youth on locals when they can bone foreigners for 3000+ a pop? They seem like priveledged girls that are being taken care of by the owner of the company they work for. They live at his house. Seems like, based on their innocence, that they haven't worked as pros for long.[/QUOTE]Prostitutes for locals do exist! It is naive to think, that Pinays work as a prostitutes to satisfy the needs of the foreigners solely. The supply significantly exceeds the demand from foreign tourists and expats. At the same time the demand from locals in huge.
Taking into account average living standards across the country, 200-400 pesos per fuck seems to be a realistic price, especially somewhere in province. Such low price will never be quoted to a foreigner, since foreigners in pinays mind are cash cows by definition, and thus, they should pay at least twice. Thrice more. Besides sex tourist hot spots, such as AC, Subic, Makati and Cebu, prostitution exists in every large city of Philippines and is aimed primarily at a local market consumers.
One girl from Tacloban told me, that market price in her city is 500 pesos per fuck, while other girl from Zamboanga said, that some jobless pauper girls from Mampang barangay used to sell their pussies in exchange of fish from local fishermen mongers.
It is a common practice for Filipino overseas workers to fuck one girl one after another. In Saudi Arabia outside of large cities, Indians supply one girl per week for each barrack, where 20 pinoys live together. Sure thing, they line up and fuck her in a row one after another. No wonder, they do the same, being at home to save some money.
[QUOTE=VicVeg;2164755]I don't agree. They make enough money wanking dicks that they set the 3-4 k price tag on their pussy because they don't need the money, and if they are to sell their youth and innocence, at least they are to make a butload of money doing it. They give the house 200 p, and pocket the rest. Bargirls have to shag 2 or 3 times for that amount.
In manila, I use to frequently call up an 18 year old call girl from an agency. When I first got her, she was sweet, and innocent and perky and fun loving in the sack. I could tell she enjoyed it and the money. I got her again a year later, after probably 100 dicks, and she was tired, acted used up, jaded, and didn't like the sex. She probably had made so much money and got the 'whoring' bug out of her system, that she didn't need or want to do it anymore. And like clockwork, the next time I went back, she was gone.
So the moral is: if you want sweetness, innocence and a good 'I want this' attitude, then be one of the first few dicks that she encounters as a pro.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I think its much better getting my dick wanked than boinking. There is no danger of STDs, it will cost me much less and I will have the company of a beautiful girl.
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He replied water is rain, it comes down free, why should we have to pay for it?[/QUOTE]I wish it was raining pussies more often, instead of cats and dogs.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2164816]We all know the young girls start out commanding higher money and as they age and are in it longer that their value goes down and eventually end up in the minor leagues.[/QUOTE]This is not true at all. I see it all the time in Pattaya. New chick comes from the country and I get her for a low amount. As time goes on and a bunch of guys start kissing her ass putting her on a pedastal and catering to her and giving her all kinds of tips, THEN a year or two later she commands more money. When she gets up in age around 35 that shit falls back down. They are not coming their first day asking for 3000. They are just getting their feet wet and know nothing about the game yet. They are happy to be getting anything. Same as a newbie monger will overpay, a newbie hooker will get underpaid. It is you monger guys that look at her and say you should be getting more, while a guy like me will come along and tell her she is lucky to be getting anything at all.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2164816]Reminds me of a fellow that I once knew. Every month he would get real upset about paying for the water bill. He thought the water should be free! I asked him why should water be free? He replied water is rain, it comes down free, why should we have to pay for it?[/QUOTE]It is free if you put your own bucket out and catch it yourself. But when you have to depend on someone to run their own line and treat it and get it to you that is where the cost comes in.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2165093]This is not true at all. I see it all the time in Pattaya. New chick comes from the country and I get her for a low amount. As time goes on and a bunch of guys start kissing her ass putting her on a pedastal and catering to her and giving her all kinds of tips, THEN a year or two later she commands more money. When she gets up in age around 35 that shit falls back down. They are not coming their first day asking for 3000. They are just getting their feet wet and know nothing about the game yet. They are happy to be getting anything. Same as a newbie monger will overpay, a newbie hooker will get underpaid. It is you monger guys that look at her and say you should be getting more, while a guy like me will come along and tell her she is lucky to be getting anything at all.
It is free if you put your own bucket out and catch it yourself. But when you have to depend on someone to run their own line and treat it and get it to you that is where the cost comes in.[/QUOTE]I was referring to the posts here in Angeles about Pinays selling to Pinoys in the minor leagues, which I highly doubt.
I have no idea whether the young things in Pattaya start out in the minors or not.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2165133]I was referring to the posts here in Angeles about Pinays selling to Pinoys in the minor leagues, which I highly doubt.
I have no idea whether the young things in Pattaya start out in the minors or not.[/QUOTE]Brother the game is the same all over the planet. Seen it in Brazil, seen it in the Dominican Republic. The only things that change are the locations and the players.
And like somebody said earlier, the locals are not giving them 3000, but that does not mean they are not fucking the locals at the local rate. The same as we can be in the same plane and pay different fares. Just like the airlines, hookers get what they can get from who they can get it from. They are not saying, well nobody will give me 3000 today so I am going home.
In Cambodia back in February my buddy got a chick for $40. The next day I got the same chick for $20. I told him that and he took her the next day and told her he would only give her $20 same as I did. Just cause you gave her a certain amount, don't think that she will not go for less than that with someone else. Don't get it twisted.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2164990]Sometimes I think its much better getting my dick wanked than boinking. There is no danger of STDs, it will cost me much less and I will have the company of a beautiful girl.[/QUOTE]LOL. I am the same way. When an AC massage girl gives me a massage, with the horrible business sense they have, they hardly give a 'sensual' massage. A nice tickle of my ass or ball bag would be nice! LOL.
Thus, at the end of the massage, I am hardly turned on at all. On the flip, I love it when I am buck naked and my cock is just wagging in the air, and the girl is rubbing on me, and pretending to not notice it and casually rubs around it, trying not to touch it, like a HJ isn't on the menu. They are FL massage girls off the street in one of the seediest Sin Cities on the planet and a HJ isn't on the menu?? Come on sister! Some will ask if I want it massaged, but some will just say 'that is the end of the massage', and want me to bring up the topic of extras.
But anyway, I start out thinking a wank is to be plenty, but it isn't until she is wanking my cock do I finally get sexed up, and I ask her if I can touch her boobs. Then I get a little more horny and ask to kiss her boobs. And with each iteration she is often asking for more $. The negotiation can be fun.
Then, I might ask for a BBBJ, and some will want to only give a CBJ. I usually don't go for it. And usually the BBBJ is so bad, that I will then ask to lick her pussy. She will ask for more $ for that! That is her pleasure!!
Then, after doing that (some won't want you to lick her pussy out of fear of smell etc), I will want a shag, and she will usually ask some huge price, and I will get some to lower it to a reasonable amount. The sex is usually ok-at-best but the whole song and dance getting there is fun. Seeing her 'give in' to a shag is enjoyable. She probably was ok if all she gave was a HJ and got a tip for that. But here is a big spender wanting to lick her pussy and bang her for a huge amount of cash (to her at least)!
And once in a while, the BBBJ will be so good, I say to myself: there is no way the sex is to be better than this and allow her to finish. Every girl has her 'specialty' in the sack, and for some it is BBBJ. For some it is laying there and staring at the ceiling.
Anyway, that is the beauty of AC. It is all so affordable, that you can 'play' around some and have fun with the process. I often turn down a girl's price offer for sex, just on the principal that she is being a greedy *****, or that it is likely to be horrible based on her attitude etc. It isn't paying the 60 usd I reject. Have fun guys!
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2164967]Prostitutes for locals do exist! It is naive to think, that Pinays work as a prostitutes to satisfy the needs of the foreigners solely. The supply significantly exceeds the demand from foreign tourists and expats. At the same time the demand from locals in huge.
Taking into account average living standards across the country, 200-400 pesos per fuck seems to be a realistic price, especially somewhere in province. Such low price will never be quoted to a foreigner, since foreigners in pinays mind are cash cows by definition, and thus, they should pay at least twice. Thrice more. Besides sex tourist hot spots, such as AC, Subic, Makati and Cebu, prostitution exists in every large city of Philippines and is aimed primarily at a local market consumers.
One girl from Tacloban told me, that market price in her city is 500 pesos per fuck, while other girl from Zamboanga said, that some jobless pauper girls from Mampang barangay used to sell their pussies in exchange of fish from local fishermen mongers.
It is a common practice for Filipino overseas workers to fuck one girl one after another. In Saudi Arabia outside of large cities, Indians supply one girl per week for each barrack, where 20 pinoys live together. Sure thing, they line up and fuck her in a row one after another. No wonder, they do the same, being at home to save some money.[/QUOTE]The foreign mongers always overestimate their importance to the P4P industry in the Philippines. The foreign monger bars in Angeles City, Manila, and Cebu are a tiny fraction of a massive P4P scene catering to Filipinos. If all the foreigners left the country and never returned, the paid fuck business would continue to thrive without them. A couple years ago, a Filipino news channel broadcast a news report showing agricultural workers paying local prostitutes for sex with one-kilogram plastic bags of rice. Foreigners do not realize that they are paying several times the market rate for sex, and that AC, Burgos St, and EDSA are the big leagues where fat old foreigners overpay ridiculously for sex.
Foreign mongers fail to realize that Filipino men fuck the girls when they are younger. It is common for girls to make their debut in hooking during high school to pay for educational materials, fees, and meals. The make trips to the nearby cities on their islands to fuck Filipinos and occasionally adventurous foreign sex tourists. By the time, a mamasan recruits them to work the track in AC they are seasoned pros. They know how work a monger with shyness.
Mongers like to think they are getting fresh farm-to-bed pussy from the provinces. The truth is that at least a hundred Flip dicks have already broken in the girls before arriving in AC for a cash dispensing walking penis to suck the pussy. Innocent girls do not just wake up and decide to go to AC to give rub and tugs to perverted grandpas, and suck the warts off their aged cocks without some prior experience in the business. The owners of the rub-and-tug shops are not going to risk the costs involved recruiting, housing, and providing uniforms for the girls unless they are seasoned in sucking and fucking for cash.