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[QUOTE=VicVeg;2165164]and the girl is rubbing on me, and pretending to not notice it and casually rubs around it, trying not to touch it, like a HJ isn't on the menu. They are FL massage girls off the street in one of the seediest Sin Cities on the planet and a HJ isn't on the menu?? Come on sister! Some will ask if I want it massaged, but some will just say 'that is the end of the massage', and want me to bring up the topic of extras.[/QUOTE]Like you said it is AC. So why even go through all this bullshit? Why not just tell the girl what you want before you take her to your room instead of playing cat and mouse?

[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2164967]Taking into account average living standards across the country, 200-400 pesos per fuck seems to be a realistic price, especially somewhere in province. Such low price will never be quoted to a foreigner, since foreigners in pinays mind are cash cows by definition, and thus, they should pay at least twice. Thrice more.[/QUOTE]It is beyond me why people do not understand this. And a lot of guys even like proving themselves to be that cash cow. (Can't get the pics in the right order, but whatever.)

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2165204]Like you said it is AC. So why even go through all this bullshit? Why not just tell the girl what you want before you take her to your room instead of playing cat and mouse?[/QUOTE]Dude, it is the AC version of romance. Play around a little bit. When you chat up a bargirl, and she says 'I want to fuck you. ' in the bar way too soon and forceful, you just might be thinking she is a big HO, and not want her. She knows she needs to romance the situation some to make it interesting to the guy etc. People need to play hard to get even in a sin city such as AC.

When you have a massage girl in your room in AC, at least a HJ is implied. But neither of you know for sure how it is to 'go down'. The romance is the sexual massage leading up to the sell of the HJ (or more) at the end of the massage. For you and her. Her pussy is getting wet as you get nearer and nearer to sex etc. She might really be wanting to get laid or get her pussy licked or even to suck your dick (especially if she is rubbing a good looking guy's body for 45 minutes). And when you romance her with the sale, she gets wetter and wetter as it is a 'romantic' process etc.

The girl that will only give a HJ at the beginning of the massage, might agree to a forceful banging at the end of the massage as you 'romanced' her into it.

The next time you are with a normal girl back in your country, after a few dates once sex is on the table, try to just have her over to your house and say 'I want to have sex with you. ' Many high quality girls will say 'no'. But wine and dine them first, flirt with them, make them feel sexy and loved, and then she will be peeling your clothes off. And the romance process and the sex will be fun for you too.

Romance matters bro. Even in a place as seedy as AC.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2165214]It is beyond me why people do not understand this. And a lot of guys even like proving themselves to be that cash cow. (Can't get the pics in the right order, but whatever.)[/QUOTE]Nice work buddy. You didn't bite on the 2 k offer so she eventually quoted you the correct price 1 k.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;2165223]Romance matters bro. Even in a place as seedy as AC.[/QUOTE]For me that defeats the purpose of paying. I am not about to romance a chick and pay her too. I save the romance for chicks that don't require payment. In AC I want the nastiest ho I can find. This shit is all in your imagination. But if that is the fantasy that you like to pay for, then more power to you. I don't need a fantasy. I need a ho on her knees with my dick in her mouth. And for some reason I always get what I pay for and have no complaints.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2165247]For me that defeats the purpose of paying. I am not about to romance a chick and pay her too. I save the romance for chicks that don't require payment. In AC I want the nastiest ho I can find. This shit is all in your imagination. But if that is the fantasy that you like to pay for, then more power to you. I don't need a fantasy. I need a ho on her knees with my dick in her mouth. And for some reason I always get what I pay for and have no complaints.[/QUOTE]LOL. Nastiest Ho you can find? Walking street. 3 am. 500 p. Pick her off the street and fuck her in the bathroom at Kokomo's. LOL.

Why fly 14 hours for that? Just go down to the inner city in your home town and find a meth-wh*re and bang her for $20.

We go to AC for the young girls who want us. And the variety of sexual experiences available to us all hours of the day.

I know AC is full of cheap charleys on a budget who spend lotsa money on beer and skimp on their whoring budget. But for us one-week-millionaires who are into it for the sex, then pay up for some fun. A nasty working girl can be fun, but hurry up, wash your dick with soap and then alcohol, change the sheets on your bed, and cleans your palate with a nice, clean 20 year old hottie that has a tight body, fresh smelling pussy, and loves sex. Just my 2 cents bro.

They don't want us. They want our money. Jesus. It's not rocket science, or "romance".

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2165201]Mongers like to think they are getting fresh farm-to-bed pussy from the provinces. The truth is that at least a hundred Flip dicks have already broken in the girls before arriving in AC for a cash dispensing walking penis to suck the pussy. Innocent girls do not just wake up and decide to go to AC to give rub and tugs to perverted grandpas, and suck the warts off their aged cocks without some prior experience in the business. The owners of the rub-and-tug shops are not going to risk the costs involved recruiting, housing, and providing uniforms for the girls unless they are seasoned in sucking and fucking for cash.[/QUOTE]That is true. By the time girls come to AC, they are mostly seasoned hookers, who were fucked by hundreds of local dicks in their previous living place. Some mongers are confused, that some young girls look shy and inexperienced in regards of communication, which make them feel, girls don't have much experience with men in bed either. But that is not so. Lack of life experience has nothing to do with their sexual experience. It is ridiculous to think, that she was a good girl, living at her her province, and she suddenly changed her approach to life just when she got to Angeles. Moreover, I would dare to say, that those hookers who behave professionally with their clients already, were drilled by at least 1000 dicks, or more by that time.

In most cases it takes some time for Pinays to realize, that they are underpaid by locals, before they decide to seek their luck in a fancy place, invaded by foreign mongers. And even then it is not so easy for them to relocate, as some people think.

Actually a lot of Pinays start their sexual life being [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url]. Despite of quite strict laws, sex with an adolescent isn't considered as something condemned in Filipino society. It is quite common that a family accepts grown up suitor for their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] daughter, especially if he is quite well off guy.

One of my previous girlfriends told me a story, that she was raped by her paternal grandpa, when she was 13. She complained to her parents, but they did nothing. Moreover her father told her to keep her mouth closed regarding this matter. They lived 2 or 3 years more under one roof, before they relocated to another place. When she was grown up already, her [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] grandpa asked her for some money, just like nothing happened at all. When he died, her parents demanded her to make contribution for his funeral, and argued when she refused.

Foreign tourists almost never visit provincial Philippines due to lack of infrastructure and lack of attractions. However, millions of people live their life there. Since sex is just a part of daily life for young Pinays, that is not a big deal for them to get laid, especially if men pay for that. Even in poorest parts of the country with severe unemployment, prostitution is a good and easy opportunity to start to earn at least something. The least well off social classes pay with small sack of rice or with fish, with catch of the day. In more prosperous places Pinoys pay with cash. Nevertheless, the market price depends on the purchasing power, so the actual market price for locals is far below the price of some fancy places, like AC.

It is a fallacy to think, that it is so easy for girls to relocate to Manila, Cebu or AC. First of all it is related to psychology of an individual. Not all people are easy going, many are afraid of uncertainty. It is very similar to Westerners. Some do travel on their own, while other stick to travel companies, who arrange everything for them. That is why many prostitutes prefer to live with less, than to challenge unknown.

Second of all, relocation is expensive. Not everybody can afford it. Most Filipinos don't have any savings at all, and it is a problem to raise money even for ship ticket to get to Luzon, not to mention they have to live somewhere and eat something in a big city before they start to earn, which is extremely expensive comparing to their home province.

Third of all, Filipinos used to rely on people they know. For example if a friend of a friend of a cousin of her friend managed to settle in Angeles City, then she considers it is trustworthy information, and she will inquire about details, how to get there, where to live, how much foreign mongers pay, etc. Information is transmitted by word of mouth solely. If Pinays don't have someone of their relatives or friends familiar with the state of affairs on the ground, they most likely will not go there. That is one of the reasons, why some girls don't relocate. They simply don't know how to settle and how to earn in a new place.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2165358]They don't want us. They want our money. Jesus. It's not rocket science, or "romance".[/QUOTE]Maybe to start it is purely financial. But these are very young women. They get wet just by touching them. And if you treat them right in the sack, their desires change.

I have heard the locals they had sex with in the provinces are wham bam thank you maam types. I am a very giving man in the sack. I romance them, lick them all over, try to kiss them, and fuck them hard and long.

The 'Homerun' in AC is when you have a girl that starts out mechanical in the sack lose herself in the sack. She starts out doing it for the $ and ends up getting carried away in the sex, and has a great time, a great orgasm, etc etc and looks at you like the best lover she ever had.

I love it when I revisit the girl a day later after some outstanding sex. She looks at you with a new energy. And she has told some of her friends, and they look at you funny too. Then when you take them back to your room again, you know her pussy is getting wet thinking about the fucking she is to get, and the poontang is running a steady stream down her legs LOL. She does NOT just want the money then. She wants the sex. She is 20 years old. Think about how sex-crazy you were at 20 years old. Your dick got hard when the wind blew. LOL.

So treat the girls so well in the sack that they end up loving you. Its like Mike Tyson said: 'I am to fuck you until you love me'. LOL.

[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2165396]It is a fallacy to think, that it is so easy for girls to relocate to Manila, Cebu or AC. First of all it is related to psychology of an individual. Not all people are easy going, many are afraid of uncertainty. It is very similar to Westerners. Some do travel on their own, while other stick to travel companies, who arrange everything for them. That is why many prostitutes prefer to live with less, than to challenge unknown.[/QUOTE]That is funny as shit. I used to have a girlfriend in AC and she had never been outside of there. Well she was actually born in Subic and took me there once, but spent most of her life in AC. I go all over PI scuba diving and I wanted her to come with me. At first she said she would then she made every excuse why she could not take the bus to Manila so we could catch the plane from there. She actually wanted me to come all the way to AC and take the bus with her back to Manila. She was scared to go to Manila alone. I finally broke up with her because of it. I was like this is ridiculous. All you have to do is take the bus to Manila then get in a taxi to the airport. But it was out of her comfort zone.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;2165693]Maybe to start it is purely financial. But these are very young women. They get wet just by touching them. And if you treat them right in the sack, their desires change.[/QUOTE]Of course. And what happens when you stop giving them money?

[QUOTE=VicVeg;2165693]Its like Mike Tyson said: 'I am to fuck you until you love me'. LOL.[/QUOTE]He said that to a guy. Are you trying to tell us something?

[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2165396]That is true. By the time girls come to AC, they are mostly seasoned hookers, who were fucked by hundreds of local dicks in their previous living place. Some mongers are confused, that some young girls look shy and inexperienced in regards of communication, which make them feel, girls don't have much experience with men in bed either. But that is not so. Lack of life experience has nothing to do with their sexual experience. It is ridiculous to think, that she was a good girl, living at her her province, and she suddenly changed her approach to life just when she got to Angeles. Moreover, I would dare to say, that those hookers who behave professionally with their clients already, were drilled by at least 1000 dicks, or more by that time.[/QUOTE]This might be true for the hardened bar girl, but some girls are sweet. They will turn down any financial offer because they don't want sex with strangers. If they were hardened HO's and you offered good money for sex, why would they say NO? They say NO as they still have some dignity left in them, where sex with a stranger will take something from them. A hardened HO, banged by hundreds of men, has nothing left in her to take, and would take big $ for sex.

Some of the BGs or FL massage girls who screw are very shy, almost wholesome girls. Even if you talk them into sex, it is something they would rather not do, and are not experienced at all. That would be VERY hard for a hardened HO to fake. They are nice girls that screw for money, but NO WAY have they had 100's of dicks in them yet. And locals running trains on them? Come on guys, it is not possible. The hardened HO's that simulate banging each other on stage, and make blowjob motion with their tongue pushing out their cheek, then yes. But the shy, sweet BG or massage girl that won't look you in they eyes, and sheepishly accepts a BF or an offer for sex after much begging or encouragement from a monger when back in your room? NO WAY. There is some sweetness left in AC, you just have to look for it.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;2165710]This might be true for the hardened bar girl, but some girls are sweet. They will turn down any financial offer because they don't want sex with strangers. If they were hardened HO's and you offered good money for sex, why would they say NO? They say NO as they still have some dignity left in them, where sex with a stranger will take something from them. A hardened HO, banged by hundreds of men, has nothing left in her to take, and would take big $ for sex.

Some of the BGs or FL massage girls who screw are very shy, almost wholesome girls. Even if you talk them into sex, it is something they would rather not do, and are not experienced at all. That would be VERY hard for a hardened HO to fake. They are nice girls that screw for money, but NO WAY have they had 100's of dicks in them yet. And locals running trains on them? Come on guys, it is not possible. The hardened HO's that simulate banging each other on stage, and make blowjob motion with their tongue pushing out their cheek, then yes. But the shy, sweet BG or massage girl that won't look you in they eyes, and sheepishly accepts a BF or an offer for sex after much begging or encouragement from a monger when back in your room? NO WAY. There is some sweetness left in AC, you just have to look for it.[/QUOTE]Some are shy, some aren't. Some are sweet, some are hardened hookers only after money. Where is this discussion going?

At the end of the day, they are prostitutes looking to make a living. There's sometimes various rituals and games to play.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2165358]They don't want us. They want our money. Jesus. It's not rocket science, or "romance".[/QUOTE]A more accurate statement could not be made! I've mentioned this before. Girls all over the world prefer to date and marry guys from their own ethnic background and social status. The reason they bang foreigners is for the money and / or for a residency card in the west. There is nothing remotely appealing about a 60-year old western cock to a 20-year old Pinay chick no matter how many times she confirms we are "hansom". We are not doing them any favours.

Slightly off topic now and I'm going to stick my neck out by saying this, but sex is not that important for most Asian women. What's important is children, family, religion, social status and wealth. Most married Thai, Japanese, Indian, Malaysian and Indonesian women over the age of 40 will stop fucking their husbands. It's almost embarrassing for them to have to sexual relations after that age and to admit to sexual desires. This is why it's okay for the husband to wander off and get their release elsewhere as long as they keep discreet about it. I assume the same goes for married Pinays.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2165214]It is beyond me why people do not understand this. And a lot of guys even like proving themselves to be that cash cow. (Can't get the pics in the right order, but whatever.)[/QUOTE]Mr E, is that WeChat you are using?