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[QUOTE=DRRonin;1388444]You can find some truly beautiful girls there [in Manila]. But of course the drawback is that you are in Manila. The heart of darkness.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the input, DRRonin, but I've never been in Manila. What do you mean by the "heart of darkness", when you talk about it? If you were looking model-type P4Ps and semi-pros in Phillipines, where would you go. AC or Manila?
Best,
A
[QUOTE=Aibolit;1388661]What do you mean by the "heart of darkness"[/QUOTE]He means Manila is a more dangerous place relatively speaking. A friend of mine was there a couple of years ago and the Hotel he stayed at had guards at the front entrance armed with shot-guns. You can run into trouble in any large city but more so in Manila. If you do decide to go two places which do have good looking ladies are Air-force one and Midnight, if they are still open.
Regards,
BJ
[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1388685]He means Manila is a more dangerous place relatively speaking. A friend of mine was there a couple of years ago and the Hotel he stayed at had guards at the front entrance armed with shot-guns. You can run into trouble in any large city but more so in Manila. If you do decide to go two places which do have good looking ladies are Air-force one and Midnight, if they are still open.
Regards,
BJ[/QUOTE]I stayed at the Marriott near the airport and they had armed guards out front and searched people that entered.
That is a good thing really I guess.
[QUOTE=Jgm005;1388620]I agree to a point. Things have changed and as you said 'wall to wall' malls with glitz and glamour. But yet, when I sit at my favorite street bar in front of Robinson's at Soi 17 / Suk I can not help admire some of the quality that walks bye. Sure a lot of not so hot ladies but there are many that are outstanding. Than again this will fall into the 'what one person things is outstanding another might not'.[/QUOTE]I would say that I see more great looking gals in BKK today than I did a decade ago. They dress better and know how to doll themselves up better. However, most of these women are not available to the monger. The gals I see in the farang P4P scene are less appealing as time goes by.
[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388661]Thank you for the input, DRRonin, but I've never been in Manila. What do you mean by the "heart of darkness", when you talk about it? If you were looking model-type P4Ps and semi-pros in Phillipines, where would you go. AC or Manila?
A[/QUOTE]My 100 Pesos worth.
1. Since you expressed an interest in younger (age 18 to 23) women, you should be warned that in the Phillipines the laws are much harsher than Thailand should you for example (in good faith) mistake a 17 year old female for being 18 years old. Fake I'd's are common, and setup scams in fact are often directed at gullible newbies.
2. Manila is where the wealth and power is concentrated, so it attracts far more upscale model types (whether they be P4P, semi pro, or normal women) than AC. Keep in mind though as a general rule, many want to exit Manila and the Phillipines itself, seeing it as a hopeless cause, far different than the typical attitude in Thailand, where Bangkok is often considered to be an amazing Megalopolis of world class proportions.
3. Lets say hypothetically (and I'm not saying this is your situation per se) a high end monger was really planning on blowing a lot of dollars because he wanted world class beauties, and this included tipping various procurers etc in different venues, and lets say he would pay extra for it. While being too visible probably is not too wise anywhere in the world, it would be far more dangerous doing that in Manila than for example in Bangkok. The poverty problems in Manila far exceed Bangkok, and such desperation can cause people to do extreme things.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1388875]Help me out here guys.
2 very depressing viwes of Bangkok, Thailand. LOL. Ballgame is nowhere near over fellas! What happened to thes e 2 guys is that BKK has passed them by.
A sports ex. A football coach who still stands by his wing t formation in USA football. Football is no longer a running game yet the guy laments why he isn't having any fun running up the middle. LOL.[/QUOTE]For once I agree with Harold. If the game has changed you have to change up your game plan. You can talk all you want about the plays you used to run 30 years ago, but nobody falls for those old trick plays anymore. You have to be able to innovate. You don't like the discos because you say the music and dancing is bad, but that is where all the good women are. Suck it up for an hour or so until you can pull one out, or be stuck in the 80s and continue to go without.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1388933]You have to be able to innovate. You don't like the discos because you say the music and dancing is bad, but that is where all the good women are. Suck it up for an hour or so until you can pull one out[/QUOTE]LOL, soon mongers are going to have to be more like these 2 Dudes.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2h4PhgobI8[/url]
[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1388827]I stayed at the Marriott near the airport and they had armed guards out front and searched people that entered.
That is a good thing really I guess.[/QUOTE]Reassuring that you are safe inside your Hotel but disturbing that they need armed guards in the first place I think.
Regards,
BJ
[QUOTE=Western787; 1388942]LOL, soon mongers are going to have to be more like these 2 Dudes.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2h4PhgobI8[/url][/QUOTE]Now that is funny.
1. I can't dance.
2. Wrong shape to wear one of those suits.
Guess I will have to stick to go-go's and Soapies / Oilie's.
Regards,
BJ
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1388379]Hey W, you just jogged my memory. Is "A" the guy who came to the BKK forum a couple of weeks ago telling us he was travelling to BKK and he was looking exclusively for 18 to 23 year old model types. I remember now. When I suggested BKK Gold Escorts as well as La Belle and some G-Clubs, he responded that none of the Gold Escort girls fit his criteria? A, if you are this guy, then forget about AC. They have some pretty girls there, but you will be very unhappy there unless you adjust your sights. In fact, I predict you are going to be very unhappy no matter where you go unless you give up your fixations. 9* to 10*, 18 to 23 year old, model quality Thai girls are not going to be wasting their time on a 2 week cherry Farang who can't speak Thai unless he is Brad or knows some well-placed BKK people to introduce him and show him around. This trip is going to be a disaster unless you loosen up and go with the flow. First, forget the age thing. If not, you will rule out many fantastic girls 23 to 27 years old. Second, shoot for 7* sexy in Soapy massage parlors like La Belle and Go Go's like Baccara and Rainbow 4. The G-clubs are for more seasoned travelers. Third, after you loosen up and start getting a feel for things, hit the oily parlors and enjoy some PSE. Forth, head down to Pattaya and party. I really hope you have a great trip, A, but you got to get rid of a lot of this preconceived BS before that is going to happen. Don't say you were not warned.[/QUOTE]Natty,
That is some sound advice! My sensei in all things in this hobby! I have to just say, 'thank you! ' for all your posts. I've been reading them these past few months and it's been keeping the embers burning in my heart (and loins) until my next foray into Asia. It's creeping up on 10 months since I've gone overseas, and I do miss Thailand very much (May 2012 trip) and AC (June 2011). I can't wait to run away again.
To new hobbyists,
I got rid of a lot of my high level expectations when I went to the PI in 2011. To be honest, I was sure as hell looking for that 'perfect' and stunning hot PI girl. Instead, I ended up falling head over heals for a girl who had a very GND (as much as can be said for that in the PI) look, so I suppose a 6 on my scale, but she had just a great personality and gave me the best GFE I've ever had. Best 5 days of my entire trip was the time I spent with her! So I was looking for a 9 or 10 and found one of the best GFE with a 6! I'm glad that experience made me shake those high expectations.
I would wholly recommend to anyone new to this hobby, head Natty's advice on this one. Take it easy and feel out the situation (s). Part of the thrill is going out every night and not knowing what's possible. Expectations can be a major buzzkill if one doesn't have those expectations fulfilled after hours of hunting into the night. Taking it easy and feeling the girls out may lead to having that unforgettable, mind blowing, sex night that stays with you for months aftwerwards!
As been said before by other experience members and interpreted in many ways. Gold may be right there in front of you, but you might miss all those nuggets if one is only looking for diamonds.
Back to Thailand. Did an oily in Bangkok and it was a memorable and enjoyable experience! Not a bad way to spend an afternoon. Soi Cowboy was always entertaining for the two nights I was there. Lovely, lovely, lovely girls in Baccara! (Thanks Natty for your reviews on Baccara.) And I definitely endorse this part that Natty recommends. Party in Pattaya! Did a soapy in Pattaya, saw the same 27 year old 'masseuse' during the day for a week. She kept me incredibly well shagged during the day! And because she wasn't that younger 20 something honey, I didn't turn her down that first time and went with the flow; and I was so lucky because she gave me some of the best fucking I had in Pattaya.
Enjoy and don't strain yourself looking for that 9 or perfect 10. Lots of good times to be had in-between until you find that 'perfect fuck'.
[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1388685]He means Manila is a more dangerous place relatively speaking. A friend of mine was there a couple of years ago and the Hotel he stayed at had guards at the front entrance armed with shot-guns. You can run into trouble in any large city but more so in Manila. If you do decide to go two places which do have good looking ladies are Air-force one and Midnight, if they are still open.
Regards,
BJ[/QUOTE]LOL! You are so right. The McDonald's in Manila had a guard with a shot gun, and in AC the hotels off Fields ave there were guards with guns. The first time in Manila and AC were WTF moments! Aaaah the memories! I also do not recommend walking off the beaten path in AC, if someone says they have something to show you. ;)
For the mongers waxing poetic about the changes in BKK, in my neck of the woods a house cost US$20,000 40 years ago, US$100,000 30 years ago, and somewhere upwards of US$600,000 now. Pussy jumping from 200 baht to 2,000 baht or more is all relative.
AT2
This post gets lost quickly in all the meaningless drivel about egos on here. But here goes.
Last week I wasted a bar fine, drinks, and dinner on a gal named Sherry from Black Pagoda in Patpong. She's the tall, slender, chop-stick (about 5'10" without the heels.) We left out of there, had a good time on the town for a little while, but that's not what I paid her for. At the hotel, she was a non-performer. Tried to turn away from kissing, no oral action, and lackluster FS (if you can even call it that.) And wanted to leave at 3am from our "Long Time" agreement. Hmmm, wonder why she wanted the money up-front? Of course, I didn't fall for that! Black Pagoda has some other good talent, so just pass on this one.
[QUOTE=Western787; 1388931]My 100 Pesos worth.
[QUOTE]Thank you, Western787, for your "100 Pesos". In spite of all the dangers, I'm inclined to get a taste of Phil, carving some time from my BKK adventure that is already planned. The appeal of famous GFE attitude + English abilities of the ladies makes it a "must try" thing for me (I am one of thoese for whom verbal communication is a must). I have decided to sacrifice a trip to Pattaya for this.
I have been torn between Manila and AC, as both have positives. After doing some research (not yet finished) , I have concluded that as I have limited time and the high-end mongering scene in Manila does not seem as accessible as in BKK, I will bite a bullet and sample AC. My hope is that with my clear awareness of what I exacly want, I'll be able to quickly spot a gem from 3000 specimens.
Of course, all this may change, as I develop some relationships online with Manila cuties in preparation of my visit.
Best,
A