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[QUOTE=EvanderGriffin;2720210]So where can a monger find these Ukrainian girls? Poland?
From the reports it seems Kiev is not a viable option these days, so I'd love to know where the girls went to.[/QUOTE]I was in Athens last week and spent an hour with a very attractive 21 year old from Dnipro. 140€. These photos are fairly accurate. They may or may not really speak English. I think most are actually Ukrainian not Russian. Add a few years to the age. I felt it was a fair price for a nice experience. Communication is by whatsapp in English. The girls come and go daily. I think you will not be disappointed with this agency.

[URL]https://glamourescorts.net[/URL]

[QUOTE=EvanderGriffin;2720210]So where can a monger find these Ukrainian girls? Poland?

From the reports it seems Kiev is not a viable option these days, so I'd love to know where the girls went to.[/QUOTE]In general just follow the money trail. If a Ukrainian girl is very attractive, she has already made a conscious decision to never work a day in her life, spend most of the day on instagram, or in the beauty salon spending somebodies else's money!

I have a couple of casual Ukranian chics that I rotate in Spain, but also found many decent looking hookers working in Dubai. The more plastic and superficial the place, the more likely you are to find these girls.

Kiev has been crap for 10+ years for our hobby, Istanbul, Dubai, and seeking arrangements is better for specifically looking for Ukranian chics.

Good Luck.

[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2722823]If a Ukrainian girl is very attractive, she has already made a conscious decision to never work a day in her life,
I have a couple of casual Ukranian chics that I rotate in Spain, but also found many decent looking hookers working in Dubai.[/QUOTE]Of course these casual Ukrainian chics are rotating you with several of their other johns. You can't call that not working.

[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2722823] If a Ukrainian girl is very attractive, she has already made a conscious decision to never work a day in her life, spend most of the day on instagram, or in the beauty salon spending somebodies else's money![/QUOTE]Everyone has their own beauty standards. I probably cannot afford the absolute crème de la crème Slavic supermodel. However I am pretty picky. I can assure you that last week I spent a very pleasant, loving hour with Daniella, advertised as a 19 year old Russian, really a 21 year old Ukrainian, from this escort service in Athens. 140 euro. Add 10 or 15 pounds to what you see in her photos but otherwise accurate. Tell her that her Papa from New York City sent you. In general, I don't think that this agency will disappoint and Athens is a safe, inexpensive destination.

[URL]https://glamourescorts.net[/URL]

About 70% of Athens working girls are Eastern European.

A question: for those of you who were there in 2014-2019 - is this girl familiar to you? Could she be one of the GIA girls from that period?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2722823]In general just follow the money trail. If a Ukrainian girl is very attractive, she has already made a conscious decision to never work a day in her life, spend most of the day on instagram, or in the beauty salon spending somebodies else's money!

I have a couple of casual Ukrainian chics that I rotate in Spain, but also found many decent looking hookers working in Dubai. The more plastic and superficial the place, the more likely you are to find these girls.

Kiev has been crap for 10+ years for our hobby, Istanbul, Dubai, and seeking arrangements is better for specifically looking for Ukrainian chics.

Good Luck.[/QUOTE]Yep, that is when Kiev went to Hell, about 10 years ago. When they closed River Place and the Casino, was the beginning of the downfall. So sad it just an amazing city.

I spent almost 4 months in Kyiv in 2017. It was fun enough. I would not say fantastic but it was really not bad at all. I dated some normal girls and got some agency working girls. I was able to have BBBJ from some younger average looking sucked me for like almost 1 hour for about 1800 uah. A little bit better looking one for about $80 to $100. I heard that those days maybe gone. 50% of girls are gone to Europe now. Those remain in kyiv asked a few times more than that now. Right before the war, my native ukrainian friend told me that he did a 5'10" blonde for $250. Now is probably $500.

I live in San Francisco bay area. I don't think I have experienced such a difficult to find working girls here. Maybe I'm exaggerating because I'm very pissed today. I have contacted about 20 girls today but none work out either no bbj or ask for too much extra or can't schedule. During the pandemic, it was difficult early on in 2020 but after a few months around June, girls didn't care anymore and started working anyways so it was not that hard to find girls. However, it was kinda spotty. Sometimes there maybe a lot of girls working but sometimes much less depends on the news.

Now its much harder, all the girls increase their prices due to inflation. And a lot of guys came out to find girls now after March. And pushed the price even higher now. There are more single guys left in the SF bay area than girls. It is harder to date normal girls so that maybe why more guys looking for working girls. It is just so hard to schedule with a girl if you just want a quickie or half hour. I think most guys spend at least 1 hour or even 2 hours to compete with you.

The problem with me is this: I had so much good time during last recession and I'm forever stuck in the recession mode from 2009 to 2016. That was the golden time of my life. So many pretty looking girls and it was so easy to schedule even I just asked for a quickie. Did so many beautiful girls for low price. Myredbook was shut down in June 2014. There was a painful few months but a new website came out after that to fill the void. However, as the economy started to fly from 2016. It marked the major down turn for middle class guy looking for easy cheap sex. This inflation further destroy the easy sex comfortable life middle class guys used to enjoy.

I went to Tijuana a few months ago. Holy jesus, there are so many guys packed the club. They have not raised the price too much yet but I heard that younger girls have option to pick guys who they want to fuck now. They can refuse fat old guys now. It is spotty just like SF bay area now. Depends on which night you go. There maybe some new younger girls working and less guys, that may make it easier for you. Same as SF bay area, there are new faces come up from time to time and more desperate to get clients but its not consistent. After they got reviewed, they raised their price immediately and they don't work everyday and not available for you like they did in recession. I was some how able to find 1 or 2 regulars that I liked a lot before April this year. However, I don't know why its got so much harder after April now. It is as difficult as myredbook just got shut down.

I still remember I could still pay $60 for a tall blonde in 2014 one last time. The job market was still not good yet and she was still in college.

Where do you guys suggest for us to go to continue to live a cheap easy sex life. I was thinking Russia & Ukraine's small towns because their major cities are also highly inflated. Or Moldova & Romania?

[QUOTE=BobSmith1;2730298]Where do you guys suggest for us to go to continue to live a cheap easy sex life. I was thinking Russia & Ukraine's small towns because their major cities are also highly inflated. Or Moldova & Romania?[/QUOTE]Certainly not a small town. Any city of a half mil plus should be good. Romania is the West, so not there.

At Bobsmith1.

I went to Kiev 1 month ago for humanitarian purposes. The price is set at $200 on several websites but no local men pay this price. On English websites, things are expensive. On Ukrainian websites, you see the real prices.

You should look there on an Ukrainian website:

[URL]http://kiev.ukrgo.com/post_24385672_ispolnju_bse_tboi_tajnye_zhelanija.zboni_sladkij.html[/URL]

In Kiev there are three price categories: The American price which is $200-$250, the European price which is $150-$180, and the price for local men: $80-$100.

Don't be a simp, negotiate and tell that you are ready to pay $80-100. Trick them by using google translate and they will believe that you are Ukrainian.

Ukrainian women are not in a position to negotiate price upwards. Their night clubs were they usually operate are closed. Some of them moved to Poland but it looks like the market in Poland is not big enough to accept new escorts. Many among them came back to Kiev or they moved to Turkey, Cyprus, Spain. I don't know about Germany.

[QUOTE=HenriDufresne;2730661]At Bobsmith1.

I went to Kiev 1 month ago for humanitarian purposes. The price is set at $200 on several websites but no local men pay this price. On English websites, things are expensive. On Ukrainian websites, you see the real prices.

You should look there on an Ukrainian website:

[URL]http://kiev.ukrgo.com/post_24385672_ispolnju_bse_tboi_tajnye_zhelanija.zboni_sladkij.html[/URL]

In Kiev there are three price categories: The American price which is $200-$250, the European price which is $150-$180, and the price for local men: $80-$100.

Don't be a simp, negotiate and tell that you are ready to pay $80-100. Trick them by using google translate and they will believe that you are Ukrainian.

Ukrainian women are not in a position to negotiate price upwards. Their night clubs were they usually operate are closed. Some of them moved to Poland but it looks like the market in Poland is not big enough to accept new escorts. Many among them came back to Kiev or they moved to Turkey, Cyprus, Spain. I don't know about Germany.[/QUOTE]You are totally right. I been in Kiev now for some months. As soon as the girls / agency have the feeling that you are a foreigner the prices get higher. And as you say no Ukraine men can pay the crazy prices they aks the foreigners for. I still not understand why some foreigner accept these prices in Kiev now. There are not many customers (tourist) and the locals have big problem just to find a job (and salary is very low now).

And it is not the girls there work in these salon or agency there get the money. The girls get around 30-40 % (some get less) and the salon take the rest. I see a 19 year girl at this moment. She comes aroung 18:00-19:00 and leave the next morning. She get 2000 grn and are super happy.

Use google translate and not pay tourist prices for girls in Kiev. Please not just pay what they aks for.

[QUOTE=Nero6;2731472] I see a 19 year girl at this moment. She comes aroung 18:00-19:00 and leave the next morning. She get 2000 grn and are super happy.[/QUOTE]Some might believe that 2000 grn is a fair price for one hour meeting. Of course, if someone is financially in as poor situation as people in Kiev are at this moment, then it's understandable one cannot afford to pay more. But if this is not the case, then such a low compensation for a night might be considered taking advantage of another person's desperate situation.

But everyone according to their own morals.

Hopefully we will get a chance to contribute to the well-being of Ukrainian girls in the years to come.

[QUOTE=Desin;2731631]Some might believe that 2000 grn is a fair price for one hour meeting. Of course, if someone is financially in as poor situation as people in Kiev are at this moment, then it's understandable one cannot afford to pay more. But if this is not the case, then such a low compensation for a night might be considered taking advantage of another person's desperate situation.

But everyone according to their own morals.

Hopefully we will get a chance to contribute to the well-being of Ukrainian girls in the years to come.[/QUOTE]I disagree, I am in touch with several pros in Kiev. Rents tremendously dropped since the start of the war. Some of them live in beautiful apartments that they could not afford before. These women use the war at their advantage because they want men to feel pity for them. This summer, several of them worked in Spain, Turkey, Cyprus. They didn't pay the train tickets in Poland, Germany, France because it was free. Since they were considered refugees, they had free meals.

Don't contribute to inflation.

There is a website where you can find all these women in Kiev:

[URL]http://kiev.ukrgo.com/view_subsection.php?id_subsection=146[/URL]

Use telegram, whatsapp.

Use google translate.

Pretend to be a local and write in Ukrainian, ask for her price and you will get the local prices.

[QUOTE=Desin;2731631]Some might believe that 2000 grn is a fair price for one hour meeting. Of course, if someone is financially in as poor situation as people in Kiev are at this moment, then it's understandable one cannot afford to pay more. But if this is not the case, then such a low compensation for a night might be considered taking advantage of another person's desperate situation.

But everyone according to their own morals.

Hopefully we will get a chance to contribute to the well-being of Ukrainian girls in the years to come.[/QUOTE]The girl I see for 2000 grn is happy. She have some friends there work as waiter. They work pr day between 9-11 hours and get 400-500 grn (of course + tips) but no one give tips. And as she say many of the local men's do not have money.

And if you take a girl from a salon or apartment the girls gets not much but the people behind take most of the money. (these people have morals as you talk about?

I was told that if a indi girl, salon or agency are lucky to find a tourist in Kiev now there pay there crazy prices (3000-6000 grn for 1 hour) because they know he is a foreigner. Than they laugh the hole way to his apartment and back again. Because it is a lot of money here now.

So if you are a foreigner here in Kiev now be not stupid and pay crazy money for a girl. Negotiate, use google translate and get the price down.

No tourist = no money.

[QUOTE=HenriDufresne;2731727]I disagree, I am in touch with several pros in Kiev. Rents tremendously dropped since the start of the war. Some of them live in beautiful apartments that they could not afford before. These women use the war at their advantage because they want men to feel pity for them. This summer, several of them worked in Spain, Turkey, Cyprus. They didn't pay the train tickets in Poland, Germany, France because it was free. Since they were considered refugees, they had free meals.

Don't contribute to inflation.

There is a website where you can find all these women in Kiev:.[/QUOTE]You are right in all you write.

The apartment prices is low because no tourist.

[QUOTE=HenriDufresne;2731727]I disagree, I am in touch with several pros in Kiev.[/QUOTE]I don't think we were talking about pros here.

[QUOTE=Nero6;2733200]The girl I see for 2000 grn is happy. She have some friends there work as waiter. They work pr day between 9-11 hours and get 400-500 grn (of course + tips) but no one give tips. And as she say many of the local men's do not have money.

And if you take a girl from a salon or apartment the girls gets not much but the people behind take most of the money. (these people have morals as you talk about?.[/QUOTE]I can admire your attempt on mental acrobatics, as to turn the situation around to support your side of your modus operandi, but I'm sure you are able to see and understand what I'm talking about. Having high moral (contrary to being an opportunist with low or no morality guiding one's actions) requires sacrifices, and they are done when one has to decide whether to uphold one's integrity or letting it slip when there is something sweet to be gained. On the advantage of another person.

But still, if you are poor person or from a poor country, I can totally agree that 2000 is better than nothing. For me, 60 euros has been the minimum limit to pay for another human being giving their body for my pleasure. For an hour. Last time when I was on a trip, I tipped 40 euros on top of this, 'because the girl came on a short notice after her 8 hour work day at midnight. It was for me the same as the cost of three pizzas. For her, it meant much more.

Being human for those that treat us as human beings instead of just walking wallets whom to fuck on a conveyor belt style is the minimum we can do as mongerers to have them girls keep providing their services. Maybe even telling their girlfriends "it ain't that bad, some of them are actually really nice persons". When a girl finds out what her value is, she will think of the men who paid her short as men who took advantage of her ignorance of youth. For example, I got this sense from my ex regular, whom I paid 120 euro for "an hour" (and it would be 3 hours before she got a boyfriend) for a year, and who is now being paid 300 euros for one hour, because she is the cream of the crop. We had amazing time, she said I'm her favorite client. I actually was able to get her cum by licking, which was super rare for her, and we did some things every time that really turned her on that not many people do in sex. Yet, there was the hint of bitterness and blame in her message for me, stating what she charges now. She didn't remember I told her on our second or third meeting that she could ask for 250 euros, the highest price girls ask here. She was able to go even higher. But since our meetings cost me 300 euros with her 120, the apartment for 100, and travel plus meals, she knew I appreciated her company a lot. Others paid her around 100 euros. She was a girl who was approached by men all the time, but deep down she didn't think herself to be of value. This is something we should not take advantage of.

I'd say pay for the work the price it's worth. As one would hope one would get from his own work. It's time and effort the girls put into this, the same as we do when we earn our money.

Especially in Ukraine.