Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2607022]Yeah let me start by saying I am a big non fan of how fat America has gotten. It's appalling to go thru the Atlanta or Charlotte airport having just traveled overseas at what a cattle call it is. I trybnot to be a judgy human but can't help myself on this point. Kayla and I were just talking about this. There is no such thing as a BBW. Ok some have a damn pretty face but being fat is nothing we should glorify or call beautiful (off soapbox).

I'the say the fat girls I fuck are likely between 20-40 lbs overweight. They are large all over and some places downright fat but thanks to their age it's not cellulite or extra jiggly. I don't think I could do a 200 lb girl regardless of face and viagra. I guess I have a limit at some point.

And yeah In the US "curvy" is a euphemism for fat. I sometimes point this out to SA girls who are just built but put curvy in their profile. because guys aren't fools and screen curvy girls. The built girls usually appreciate the tip. Actually that is how I met my longest term SB Layla. With that opener. Did turn out to be heavy bordering on fat but damn that face could launch ships.

Ps in the end Layla let me video her blowing me and fucking her doggie style with full face. Its a trust thing u can develop with SBs. Kayla sent me a full frontal with face nude video after our second weekend together. It feels good when u get inside their circle of trust.[/QUOTE]So true, when I was flying back Moscow, I would want to throw-up after seeing the fat American Chicks. You think your airports are bad try IAH, just disgusting. Ladies running around in there pajamas or yoga pants with there fat hanging out. I just do not understand how American women dress now. It is one thing to be fat, dressing like shit just compounds there weight. I wish I liked the big girls life would be so much easier.

I just got back from MTY, 7 meeting in 48 hours, what a great weekend. Included one Anal Sessions, 3 girls did rimming. All others kissing and uncovered BJ.

You guys know how I do not line Colombia, chicks especially girls from MDE, in fact I usually just block them or delete there profile. Any way I met a new girl and she was from Bogota. Great experience, very nice and a total freak, we will definitely meet again. Rules are met to be broken.

This is the first time I have been around a girl from Colombia, that I did not want to kill myself with there crappy attitudes. Another thing, I have never had s Mexican girl tell me how hot they are. Colombian girls are always telling me how hot they are, major turn off for me.

I have been in arrangement with the model for over a year now. She graduated from her Master Program, I agreed to buy her an expensive purse as a present. She is so humble, she never asked what the status when I would buy the purse It ended up being several months, for a variety of reasons. I bought it yesterday and then we went and had a great dinner at S. Prime. It was a great night. Honestly I was happy to buy the purse. She is a great person.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2607044]Oh yeah! I concur whole heartedly. Throw in a good attitude and that's the secret sauce to a great romp.

I love a good, [b]"Butterface"[/b] girl, with a terrific sexy attitude...kkk



This is a tough one to dissect. I draw the line at "fat" chicks, but I do love "thick" chicks. I find the distinction between fat and thick chicks, is so very hard to explain or describe at times, but all I know for sure is, I sure as hell know it when I see it.

Is there a distinction for you? Or are they both, one in the same to you?[/QUOTE]This can be difficult to nail down for several reasons. Different people will have different ideas of what is overweight (and I agree that we shouldn't glorify what is obv overweight), and the baseline from which she deviates to become curvy, thick, or fat. For me, they are definitely different, but I must admit that curvy is pretty close to thick. I have a friend that even mentions "slim thick" as another designation.

Being a thin girl lover, I will bang a curvy girl, but I'd be hesitant with thick and my dick just wouldn't work with fat. Let me add some numbers to it in order to add perspective to my judging system. Take a 5'7" girl. I would say normal thin (like I like) would probably be about 125/130, curvy and thick would sit at 145,155 ish, respectively. Fat for me is hard to describe. A lot comes down to the shape of the back. If the back is wide and big due to extra meat, then that's a no go for me. I just looked up some pics. I would say fat definitely starts around 165-170.

I would probably be able to do a butter face without a doubt. At least this what I think?? Can't remember coming across any recently.

I give you guys props for being open minded when it comes to big girls. It's nice to feel some meat, but how much meat is the question. Hahahaha. LOL.

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Hey all,

I am from Mumbai, India a silent reader of this wonderful page! I'm in London from next weekend. I've had my share of experiences on seeking in India some genuine ones some very average or trashy ones as well.

It will be my first time dipping my toes in London and sugaring there some guides or pointers? I've been a student for 5 years previously in the UK so I'm well versed with the city.

All help appreciated and reciprocated.

Regards.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2607106] ...I give you guys props for being open minded when it comes to big girls. It's nice to feel some meat, but how much meat is the question. [/QUOTE]Just for the record, "Big Girls", or "Meaty Big Girls" aren't really my thing.

Once again it's tough to pin-point, but for me, there is a distinction between "thick girls" and "big girls".

Fat chicks are fine with me, as long as they have huge tits. Plus, many younger fat girls are firm. It is when they get older that the fat starts to sag. So, a young firm fat girl with huge tits is awesome.

I hooked with up a young fat chick with monster tits several months ago, and I have been trying like crazy to see her again, but we keep missing each other.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2607497]Fat chicks are fine with me, as long as they have huge tits. Plus, many younger fat girls are firm. It is when they get older that the fat starts to sag. So, a young firm fat girl with huge tits is awesome.

I hooked with up a young fat chick with monster tits several months ago, and I have been trying like crazy to see her again, but we keep missing each other.[/QUOTE]I'm fine with fat girls if they have a pretty face, look young and practice good hygiene. I just avoid certain positions like CG. But all things equal, the thin ones are more attractive. I love the way some girls who are a bit overweight think they can get by saying they are "athletic." No I am not looking for weightlifters.

[QUOTE=Ruch888;2607346]Hey all,

I am from Mumbai, India a silent reader of this wonderful page! I'm in London from next weekend. I've had my share of experiences on seeking in India some genuine ones some very average or trashy ones as well.

It will be my first time dipping my toes in London and sugaring there some guides or pointers? I've been a student for 5 years previously in the UK so I'm well versed with the city.

All help appreciated and reciprocated.

Regards.[/QUOTE]I have not had the pleasure of playing in London with seeking but can give some feedback based on my observations on a few girls I know that have London as their location.

Firstly not all girls are based in London. London is a large hub for SB / SD and many girls in surrounding countries and throughout the UK will list London as a destination. With so many advertising in London there will be a bit more leg work to line up some ideal dates. Start early. With so many people coming in and out of London I would expect they are all pretty used to people only in the city for a short time.

I have used London as a location a few times to check it out. Many of the girls are inundated with messages so you likely need to stand out a bit. There are a lot of hardened pro type SB's on the site in London as well as some with crazy oligarch expectations. The photos and such can be a giveaway on who these are so avoid.

There are a lot more kink friendly SB's in London than many other cities I have seen so you could have some interesting play if you are interested in that.

I suppose those are general tips for every location.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2607497]Fat chicks are fine with me, as long as they have huge tits. Plus, many younger fat girls are firm. It is when they get older that the fat starts to sag. So, a young firm fat girl with huge tits is awesome.

I hooked with up a young fat chick with monster tits several months ago, and I have been trying like crazy to see her again, but we keep missing each other.[/QUOTE]Yep, chubby girls can carry the weight. It all seems to slide and even balloon starting in their late 20's. I had a cute friend who was a very busty chubby. By her thirties, the pounds were taking their toll in my eyes. She said guys would still want to hook up with her for a chance to roll around and play with her rack.

If you look at Seeking, the body types for curvy, athletic and average can hold a wide range of types. You'll see thin girls and outright fat girls in all of those categories. The Latinas seem to like to describe themselves as curvy. When by general American standards, some would be considered slim. It would also seem you get a lot of photo manipulation. Faces and bodies look very different from one photo to the next.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2607060]You guys know how I do not line Colombia, chicks especially girls from MDE, in fact I usually just block them or delete there profile. Any way I met a new girl and she was from Bogota. Great experience, very nice and a total freak, we will definitely meet again. Rules are met to be broken.

This is the first time I have been around a girl from Colombia, that I did not want to kill myself with there crappy attitudes. Another thing, I have never had s Mexican girl tell me how hot they are. Colombian girls are always telling me how hot they are, major turn off for me.[/QUOTE]I always found Americans traveling abroad to be nicer. It is like the opposite for Colombian women in Mexico. They are less nice.

I think part of that is the Mexican men are so damned crazy about them. It is hilarious to see them tripping over themselves with my gal. When we go to a restaurant, the Mexican waiters could give a fuck about me. But with her, the waiters are willing to kill themselves if she is not happy.

One Mexican cab driver picked out that my gal was Colombian. She asked him why, and he said her accent. That cracked me up. When I was in Peru, I could pick out the Venezuelan MEN versus Peruvian ones based on attractiveness. While I see women in Texas and California over 5 foot 9 all the time like my gal, I have never seen a Mexican woman that tall. You do not even see it that much in Colombia.

I have seen that attractiveness thing before with Medellin women. It is funny that my last two girlfriends weighed 120 pounds, but one was five foot and the other is five ten. The shorter one was from Medellin, and she was like a 7 beauty wise, but she was great in bed and had a wonderful personality. Thing is her beauty was not what drove me to her, and she was constantly showing me her tits and ass like I was supposed to be fawning all over them. I was tempted to say, "Honey, I am not with you for your looks." even though she was cute.

There was a woman I dated from Bogota, and she would send me videos of her masturbating. She was better looking, maybe an 8. One video would have been nice, but it was multiple videos that lasted like ten minutes total. It was too much and a turn off. I was like, "Honey, I can watch hotter porn than this", but the idea that I am supposed to melt at her looks bugged me. She was adamant that I not share these videos like they somehow were worth gold. It was not as bad as the Medellin girl but it was not good either.

Thing is that I am seeing how different Colombians are based on where they live in the country. Medellin is everything you have said it is and outside of the weather and pollution, I like Bogota better than Medellin in almost every way. Thing is the women I met from the coast, the Costenas, are my favorites. They are the nicest, and IMO the best looking, and most sexual and do not seem to be as cocky. Even though they are in a distinct minority of women I have been with, the top three or four fucks I have had in Colombia have been with the Costenas.

And to me, when I went to Cali, it was like virgin territory. The potential for SA there seemed to be huge. I met a stunning black law student and a white girl with a perfect body (she was a PE teacher) but a bit of a butter face who was on her period. I was literally the first guy she ever gave head to, and I doubt either of these women would have that Medellin attitude you speak of.

For start I want to thank everyone contributing to this thread. I have myself been active on SA on and off for nearly a 10 year period and have gathered many experiences of being a SD in North America, Europe and South East Asia. Still it's always valuable to gain others perspectives.

Through my work I have a lot of business related travel and thus the opportunity to sample many places though often constrained by time. Something that typically doesn't jive well with my love for the girls-next-door that I find are immeasurably more likely to be found as sugarbabies than other kinds of sex workers.

So, I'll just throw out a few points on my process.

1. You have to be willing to spend. I'm wealthy. I'm not saying that with the intent to flex, but rather than to communicate that if you are going for sugarbabies to get your nut off then you need a deep wallet. An SB will typically cost you 2-3 x as much as an escort for the same time. That's excluding the dinners, cocktails and gifts that are typically needed to keep things alive.

2. You have to manage the relationship. IE, whereas an escort might be challenging to get on the hook you won't need any real social exchanges with her once you've agreed to a time, place and price.

3. You have to be able to walk away. Sugar is fickle by nature. While you can find genuine gems among potential SB's that are barely touched and extremely attractive you have very little idea going in what her goal in the sugar bowl is. Many have romanticized ideas about the what arrangements mean. Some think they just need to hold your hand to earn $$, others want to more or less date for several meetings before they commit to an arrangement (IE sex starts). All this requires screening and can be quite time consuming, which adds to costs if in your own work role is billing by the hour or simply have an occupation the requires many hours.

Now any monger reading this might be wondering "why go through all this trouble when I can just get some ass cheap and quick from a regular sex worker"? This is a completely legitimate protest. What you get with SBs though is something different. My focus is on top tier girls that I gladly pay the premium for. These are typically girls that have some profession and are not making a living by escorting / stripping / massaging etc. My roster history includes ballet dancers, ice dancers, models, business owners, photographers etc etc. They typically have in common that they don't think of themselves as sex workers but just need a little help with bills or projects. Some just wants to travel and get a new Gucci bag. In short, this is a game. For some people that translates as a waste of time and energy and I fully respect anyone that won't be part of that but rather get to the fucking / sucking / squeezing without further ado. But I love the game and I play it well.

So even tho the excitement of a first date is great, there are some great benefits from the comfort of a reg. Sue and I hadn't seen each other in about a month. It was great to see her again. She's just so genuine and goofy and so 22. Double edge sword is that she def has caught feelings for me.

We talk about NSA but there is no question she's got real feelings that I need to manage carefully. Got to say it's fun because being adored doesn't suck. Round one was spectacular. She basically worships my dick with her mouth and goes to another world when we fuck. And midway thru round two she says "I wish you didn't have to use the condom" and I say up to you babe. Well about ten seconds later we fucking bareback and damn that was fine.

So it was a great date all around. I do care for and about her so I've got to manage her infatuation but it's a nice problem to have. All good!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2609168]So even tho the excitement of a first date is great, there are some great benefits from the comfort of a reg. Sue and I hadn't seen each other in about a month. It was great to see her again. She's just so genuine and goofy and so 22. Double edge sword is that she def has caught feelings for me.

We talk about NSA but there is no question she's got real feelings that I need to manage carefully. Got to say it's fun because being adored doesn't suck. Round one was spectacular. She basically worships my dick with her mouth and goes to another world when we fuck. And midway thru round two she says "I wish you didn't have to use the condom" and I say up to you babe. Well about ten seconds later we fucking bareback and damn that was fine.

So it was a great date all around. I do care for and about her so I've got to manage her infatuation but it's a nice problem to have. All good![/QUOTE]Someone is ready to have little Steves running around!

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2609234]Someone is ready to have little Steves running around![/QUOTE]Yeah def not. But touché that I am hypocritical on this topic. A year ago I would have said no way not taking the chance. But here I am a year later having fucked three different girls bareback. To be fair I never CIP, only shoot a small amount about an inch these days. LOL. I did some reading on pull out effectiveness and it's in the 90's when done right. I am pretty sure at my age I am going to do this way better than the general population of horny 20 somethings so prob on the high end of that. Actually my biggest issue is pulling out too soon and losing the shot and having to work up to it again! Hahaha. Didn't have that problem a few years back.

Anyhow it's a good reminder that I need to be careful snd keep my wits about me. And first time barebacking two different girls same month (not sure that's an awesome idea) so I will prob go back to condoms with Sue. She's too in love with me already. 😋.