Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=Wendella]didn't the angkor empire implode due to mishandling agriculture? maybe if some ngo's had been around then, things woulda turned out differently[/quote]

Whatever . . . Look, I don't know whether to continue the conversation, but if we do I think a separate thread would be called for (if enough people are interested). If not, I don't see much need to challenge Phil Istin's summary, and had actually written a longer more analytical response to what I thought was a good post by Channy - but lost it as I'm just typing on my phone. I'm happy to discuss it with you, I'm not sure how much I disagree with you (ie, a bit or a lot), but at what point are people going to say make way for p4p info??

Agriculture - afaiaa, in part. Also in part to overextension of resources in building programs - not that there's very clear records that far back and it has to be done by analysis and tested inference (eg Maurice Glaize's work). But NGOs can't usually do much about droughts and floods.
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looked like some pretty wide brush strokes in that post to me....
[/quote] but some rather good ones IMHO
[quote]didn't you just get done saying the cambodians dont' like to blame? that post seems to show opposite-- as did what i heard of Dr. B.
[/quote] Do maybe check him out - I posted the link - he's Swiss anyway. What's wrong in finding uplifting archetypes? Or do you prefer just to carp? What's the shared objective, if there is one?
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i bet if i did a quick search i'd find there actually are books written on these subjects by cambodians. and whether or not, what's wrong with foreigners writing about it?
[/quote] well search away. And it's not about an author's nationality so much as the degree of scientific rigor.
[quote]Judging by the things i've heard about KR, and by translations of signs i read at S-21 and elsewhere, i actually dont' think we're talking about sth very complex but actually just the opposite. If anything, one's struck by the frightening simplicity of it all, and how obvious and crude it all is.[/QUOTE]
well yes, especially if you just want go by translations of a few signs. Life and death can always be simplistic. And the PP regime was literally simplistic in concept. Whatever. The more you dig, the more you'll find.

I agree about that part, I didn't think it was a very good idea to get into this topic, either introducing it or continuing it.

At this point, I still think it's probably best to let this one fade to the background, and anyone wanting to continue on the topic to instead post it in PM to the person you think you want to address it to.

I'm done talking about this here, just hope no one else decides to add fuel to the fire again. Hoping this can be put to bed finally. If someone does do that tho, I also hope nobody decides to congratulate them for it. Cuz that also would add fuel.

[QUOTE=Barri]I see now that my old Phnom Penh map is outdated...[/Quote][QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Actually, if you have one of the older maps of PP by Canby, it is still 90% -95% usable. [/QUOTE]Acually, I meant [b] my [/b] old map; [post]547549[/post], and the non-existing places are there. [QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]I'll have to owe you that beer next time I make it back to Indo or PP as my vacation is over and I'm currently back at home and (arrgg: work) and watching the snow outside wishing I was back between some gals legs in the topical heat. Well, a man can still daydream until my next trip.[/QUOTE]Have just left the snow for a while myself. Enjoy your White Christmas! I will enjoy SEA heat for a while.

Cheers,
Barri

[QUOTE=Mahoman]I have this Khmer GF, which I have had for the past 5 months. She is from a hostess bar on 136 and she has not had any other man since. I love her dearly but I can tell she is getting a little ornary. I would like someone to take her for free ST. PM me for contact.[/QUOTE]Apparently you cannot receive PMs. I am in PP through Saturday morning, and I am interested in the post. Is there a catch?

Bule 2004

Hi all,

I will be making my 1st trip to PP. Having read almost all the reports, I am still a little confuse and hope somebody can help me.

Where are the recommended places to get a massage and HJ? And what is the price that I should be paying. I do not want to be tricked or tempted into paying more. How long is each session and are these massage places clean and safe?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Bule2004]Apparently you cannot receive PMs. I am in PP through Saturday morning, and I am interested in the post. Is there a catch?

Bule 2004[/QUOTE]Sorry for the late reply but we are now back in BB and I was pressed for time. There is no catch. I know what this woman needs even though she won't admit it. I will post another opportunity within in the next few days for either Siem Reap or PP.

[QUOTE=Blue Phone]Hi all,

I will be making my 1st trip to PP. Having read almost all the reports, I am still a little confuse and hope somebody can help me.

Where are the recommended places to get a massage and HJ? And what is the price that I should be paying. I do not want to be tricked or tempted into paying more. How long is each session and are these massage places clean and safe?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Not a great country for massages this, Thailand is much better.

PP has quite a few places but quality and experiences vary widely.

Try sakura or the new york hotel or the heaven massage in st 136.

Probably pay a few dollars an hour for the massage and ten to twenty for the girls services.

Prepared to be disappointed though.

This is a country for free lancers and hostess bars and chicken farms.

Go to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Blue Phone]Hi all,

I will be making my 1st trip to PP. Having read almost all the reports, I am still a little confuse and hope somebody can help me.

Where are the recommended places to get a massage and HJ? And what is the price that I should be paying. I do not want to be tricked or tempted into paying more. How long is each session and are these massage places clean and safe?

Thanks[/QUOTE]To Blue phone

There are many massage place and fish bowl all over PP, many low end place around central market and 64th st 90 min massage is 10 USD FS will cost you another 25 USD tip, even a high end massage place in a 4 star hotel is only 25 USD and another 35 USD tip for FS, but I find the skill of the masseuse is not as good as in Thailand.

Fast Eddie 48

Took a trip to the Paris Hotel in the late afternoon, which was kinda fun. As I never have high expectations for massage with extras, the best thing I find is to approach it as a bit of fun.

Took the lift to the 3rd floor. Fishbowl had quite a few in it - about 20. Mostly Khmer but a couple of Vietnamese too, or so it seemed.

Picked one that did not have a number as she showed interest. In the room (which was a little less dingy and messy than I remembered), had the usual shower (warm) and she showered separately and was very shy. Then wrapped in a towel, she began the massage for about 10 minutes. Not much English, no BJ, no kissing and just a few tugs and massage to get me excited. Would not take the towel off and would not let me play with her either. But she did have a killer body as it turned out and no babies.

Tried her on top first, then doggie. By this stage she was really into it. Finished in mish and by then the towel had fallen off. She jumped up and ran for the bathroom. Came back wrapped up in the towel and then massaged me a bit more. Kept pampering me. With her very limited English and some sign language, she even asked me if we could become an item! She got dressed with her towel on. Paid $6 for one hour massage and gave her $20. Not really worth it but did not have change. Anyway she was tight and it was different.

Later that evening went to the Voodoo lounge on 104 and got almost the opposite treatment. This time I was not really looking for anything but was picked out by one of the girls. She cuddled me for an hour then, without being asked, began DFK and fondling me in the bar. Barfined her ($5) and we went to a guest house for $7 for two hours - I could not bring her back to my hotel as they know my family.

This one was a real tiger. BBJ was given without asking. And she really liked to kiss and wanted me to fuck her deep. She had two kids before but not much evidence of it. Did her two times but could not cum as had already done so with the massage girl and this one was not as tight. I would have been happy with one time but she insisted and had to get me going again. Only thing was she was a bit rough on the member. But very enjoyable all the same. Paid her $20 and gave her $1 for a modop.

Will be passing through PP on business. Would like a nice, clean place to get a good massage with HE. Mentioned 4 star hotels in previous posts. Any specific names as I doubt the one I'm staying at (raffles) will be on of them. Passing through for 2 days so not a lot of time. Then back to Korea.

Greetings Gents -
To get right to the point of my post, I've heard that somewhere in Cambodia you can rent AK-47's and blaze away at various targets like old junk cars and such. True? If so I am so there as I think it would be great fun. After all, you have to have something to do while recovering for another session with the local talent...LDP

[QUOTE=LuvDaPuss]Greetings Gents -
To get right to the point of my post, I've heard that somewhere in Cambodia you can rent AK-47's and blaze away at various targets like old junk cars and such. True? If so I am so there as I think it would be great fun. After all, you have to have something to do while recovering for another session with the local talent...LDP[/QUOTE]

Yes there's many places. Think I reported on a PP one a while back, about an hour out of town on bad weather/traffic.

You just pay for the ammo. I found it disgusting, but something I wanted to try. The smell of the burning oil and the kickback are strong sensations. They will also provide a cow if you want to try a rocket launcher (not my taste).

Ask your driver for the Shooting Range. You can do the Killing Fields same trip as the direction's not a million miles away. Have some sensitivity for the driver's feelings when deciding which order to do them in.

The one I went to had standard targets for AK47s and similar. Old cars sound fun. Maybe a bigger weapon? Do you have a big wallet too though? ;)

[QUOTE=ClarKent]Will be passing through PP on business. Would like a nice, clean place to get a good massage with HE. Mentioned 4 star hotels in previous posts. Any specific names as I doubt the one I'm staying at (raffles) will be on of them. Passing through for 2 days so not a lot of time. Then back to Korea.[/QUOTE]

It depends on how happy you want your ending to be. Don't bother too much with the massage places in the tourist areas. You may get HJ in the massage places off the beaten track or in some of the the large Asian style hotels. FS is available in Paris Hotel (Kampuchea Krom road) or Luxury World Hotel (Monivong) and I assume that HJ is also available but probably not BJ - FS is generally available in any place you find that has a fish-bowl. There is also a kind of fishbowl around the corner from Walkabout where FS maybe available but I am not sure if it is still open for business. Let me know if you find more places with fishbowls.

For cleanliness and if you are not worried about paying up extra cash, go to the Luxury World Hotel. Only go into the place that has the fishbowl - I think there is a legit massage place there too but cannot remember. Ask for a VIP room (extra $3, I think). Khmer girls are the cheapest for tips but the last time I was there the Khmer girl was not happy with the $20 I offered for FS and was only marginally happy with $25.

I have had very mixed experiences in massage places in Cambodia - in one very basic place I asked for HJ and was firmly turned down. I immediately thought that I was in the wrong kind of place. Then the girl said firmly "only boom-book." But that was a hole in the wall place in Sihanookville, now closed.

I also got FS/HJ in places where you never expect it and nothing at all in places where you would think there is a good chance of something. I recently went into a bar that also offered massage - dingy room but ok. Nothing was offered but teased the girl a bit and got FS and DFK. FS may not be normally available there as the girl told me no way for boom boom as no condoms were available. When I pulled out my own condoms, she immediately agreed without naming any price. But she asked me to keep quiet about it with the management. So I think there they are only supposed to do HJ. I paid her $20 and she was very happy with that.

[QUOTE=LuvDaPuss]Greetings Gents -
To get right to the point of my post, I've heard that somewhere in Cambodia you can rent AK-47's and blaze away at various targets like old junk cars and such. True? If so I am so there as I think it would be great fun. After all, you have to have something to do while recovering for another session with the local talent...LDP[/QUOTE]
It's on offer everywhere. Check the pic for prices.

[QUOTE=LuvDaPuss]Greetings Gents.

To get right to the point of my post, I've heard that somewhere in Cambodia you can rent AK-47's and blaze away at various targets like old junk cars and such. True? If so I am so there as I think it would be great fun. After all, you have to have something to do while recovering for another session with the local talent. LDP[/QUOTE]You go to the military base out past the airport, about twenty minutes in the tuk tuk. There is an outside range for handguns and an inside range for machine guns.

It costs about $1. 20 a round which is not bad.

One can shoot a chicken or duck for a few dollars extra, and one can throw hand grenades into a pond.

One can not shoot a car.

But the rounds are all reloaded and often jam so remember that this is Cambodia.

One can still hire a cow for about $200 and shoot at it with a rocket launcher.