I usually give the girl the option if she wants to extend to LT. I never played the leave and come back in the morning game. The girl is getting a free extra 500 baht just to sleep and breakfast in the morning.
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I usually give the girl the option if she wants to extend to LT. I never played the leave and come back in the morning game. The girl is getting a free extra 500 baht just to sleep and breakfast in the morning.
Day 2:
I woke up late afternoon feeling pretty refreshed. After a quick bite to eat my number one task was to find a bar that would be showing a football match I was eager to see. I walked around a number of venues near my hotel including Soi 8 and New Plaza, but none were showing it. I thought this would be a good chance to check out Soi Bukhao as I had never been there on my previous visits to Pattaya. I walked the whole length but couldn't find the game anywhere. Finally I found an Irish Bar on LK Metro that was showing it. It was a good atmosphere, my team won and I left the Irish Bar feeling happy and eager for a night of action.
I walked around LK Metro, my first time there. I could see it has a lot of potential, but it was a still a little early for me to enjoy it in its full glory. At this time of night I just wanted to have a few beers and not be reeled in by any ladies. It's during these points in the evenings that I missed having mates around me, some people to just shoot the shit with and to have a laugh with. The girls are great but there conversations are somewhat limited. Any advice from seasoned solo travellers on this topic would be appreciated. Anyway, I went to a couple of bars, chatted with a few girls, but wasn't really feeling anything stirring in the loins.
I thought it was about time to check out the gogo's. Now, I have always been a bit put off about going into gogo bars by myself. I'm not sure why, I guess I always think I will be stiffed for drinks and end up with a massive bill. The only time I had even visited a gogo before was in Phuket on a bachelor party a year ago. So, after doing some research I decided I would head down to Windmill on Walking Street ("a place everyone has to go at least once" was the general consensus from reports). I walked into Windmill with an open mind. Little did I know my mind was about to be not just opened up. But ripped out, filled with images I will never forget then placed back in my skull inside out, never to be the same again.
Tits, ass and pussies were everywhere, I literally didn't know where to look. To the left of me 2 girls were giving a lesbian show whilst being fingered by a small group of guys, to the right a large balding man was licking out a rather uninterested looking girl on stage. I suddenly felt very awkward. Unsure of where to sit, what to do or who to look at. I quickly finished my drink and left that place behind me. I vowed as the door closed behind me never to return again... I knew I'd be back tomorrow.
I visited a couple of other places, Naughty Girls and Supergirls to be exact. They were alright but I only stayed for a short time in each and enjoyed the shows. I went further up Walking Street and was accosted by a tout working for Wildats Agogo. The drink promotion was pretty good so I agreed to go in. As soon as I did I spotted a stunner sitting by the door (well actually she spotted and grabbed me). She was easily the best looking girl in the club. And boy did she know it. Definitely Queen Bee amongst the other girls and she seemed to have the run of the place. I certainly wasn't complaining as she writhed her perfect body against my groin area. She had obviously been doing this for some time as she was very good at her job, she knew all the right buttons to press. I was a hopeless sucker for her charms, putty in her hands and she knew it. After a while we started talking about price (800 barfine and 2000 for her short time. Not bad I thought, especially considering some of the numbers I had read on the forum regarding prices). It was quite late and as I was considering upping the ante to 2000 LT, as I was doing this she went to the toilet. After over 5 minutes I started to wonder where she had gone so I had a look around. It was then I saw it. I had been suckerpunched, cock blocked, stitched up like a kipper. There she was drinking shots of tequila and rubbing her pert titties over a couple of Korean guys!
I was livid, but what could I do? Like I said, she was a total professional and she knew exactly where she was going to get the biggest payout that night. I downed what was left of my drink, and walked out of the club trying to hold on to what little bit of dignity I had left. On the way out I passed a couple of other girls who gave me some sympathetic looks. It would appear that even they felt sorry for me.
I'd had enough of gogo bars that night and thought I would check out some nightclubs. ID taken freelancers home before, but never from a club, so I thought I'd see if I was up to it. Previous posters have talked about how picking up in a club is a little more difficult than in a bar / gogo, in that the ladies are a little more picky. I'd enjoyed Lucifer's, but was worried about running into the girl I'd taken home the previous night so passed. I looked into I-bar / Insomnia but it was packed to the rafters, I wasn't going in there. I headed down to Marine Disco and found that whilst busy, it wasn't insanely so. The music in Marine was pretty good (none of the RnB / pop push they play in other places) and I was soon dancing. I'd read before that Marine was a hang out spot for ladyboys, and I did notice there were quite a few of them.
On my way to the bathroom I accidentally bumped into a girl with rather large breasts spilling a tiny amount of beer on her top. She luckily laughed it off and I offered to buy her another one. She duly accepted. This girl was quite tall, slim, fair skinned with big beautiful eyes, in fact she looked more Chinese than Thai. It was at this point that alarm bells started ringing. Ladyboy alert. I asked her directly. She wasn't. Result. "no offence meant" "none taken" Let's get down to business. I whisked her off to the hotel, none of this "let's go eat" bullshit from last night. In the bedroom she was keen, enthusiastic and willing, I had a great night and repeated again in the morning.
She left around midday, she hinted that we go outside together for some food but I turned her down. Great as she was, I didn't really want to spend the day with her. There was definite sexual energy (from my side at least), but no real chemistry on a personal level. We didn't discuss money on the night, but I gave her 2000 b in the morning which she seemed happy with. Again she didn't really check it properly and put it straight in her purse.
Looking back on Day 2, despite my previous apprehension, I had enjoyed the gogo bars. They can actually be a cheap night out if you just enjoy the show and not buy any ladydrinks (most of the places do cheap promotions on beer). I'd had a good day but hadn't met anyone yet who I deemed worthy of a repeat. Day 3 was about to change all that.
[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2020428]Day 2:
Tits, ass and pussies were everywhere, I literally didn't know where to look. To the left of me 2 girls were giving a lesbian show whilst being fingered by a small group of guys, to the right a large balding man was licking out a rather uninterested looking girl on stage. I suddenly felt very awkward. Unsure of where to sit, what to do or who to look at. I quickly finished my drink and left that place behind me. I vowed as the door closed behind me never to return again... I knew I'd be back tomorrow.
-Haha, I know the feeling Bhadboy, great how our minds can change in a blink when on walking street!
I was livid, but what could I do? Like I said, she was a total professional and she knew exactly where she was going to get the biggest payout that night..[/QUOTE]Great reports, and some stark differences between day 1 and 2, way to adapt quickly, I wish I had that learning curve when I was there.
Cheers,
TJM.
[QUOTE=Cool;2020295]I usually give the girl the option if she wants to extend to LT. I never played the leave and come back in the morning game. The girl is getting a free extra 500 baht just to sleep and breakfast in the morning.[/QUOTE]That seems to be a very biased view point. From the girl's point of view, she has to endure hours of poor sleep with nothing to do except play games on the phone, and put up with the guy's buzz saw snoring, then has to get fucked again in morning and perhaps another round or two during the night. Then there is the horror traffic to contend with in the morning to struggle to get home. All that for a measly 500 extra. Much better to go try for a 2nd ST customer, or party with friends. Friend has a birthday and will supply the booze. Hardly surprizing that many popular girls will not do LT, when they have a choice. Then has to pay the baby sister extra money for minding the child all night.
They weigh up the pros and cons too. The right money will usually persuade them, but not always. Some have to be home by a certain time, so baby sister can go to work. Could be very low amount for some girls and very high for others. The important point, is the situation varies, depending on many factors, including what time it is, what day of the week, does the girl have an early appointment, does she like the customer, does she tolerate the customer well, does she like the sex at all, does she have pussy pain, does she have anything better to do, etc.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020578]That seems to be a very biased view point. From the girl's point of view, she has to endure hours of poor sleep with nothing to do except play games on the phone, and put up with the guy's buzz saw snoring, then has to get fucked again in morning and perhaps another round or two during the night. Then there is the horror traffic to contend with in the morning to struggle to get home. All that for a measly 500 extra. Much better to go try for a 2nd ST customer, or party with friends. Friend has a birthday and will supply the booze. Hardly surprizing that many popular girls will not do LT, when they have a choice. Then has to pay the baby sister extra money for minding the child all night.
They weigh up the pros and cons too. The right money will usually persuade them, but not always. Some have to be home by a certain time, so baby sister can go to work. Could be very low amount for some girls and very high for others. The important point, is the situation varies, depending on many factors, including what time it is, what day of the week, does the girl have an early appointment, does she like the customer, does she tolerate the customer well, does she like the sex at all, does she have pussy pain, does she have anything better to do, etc.[/QUOTE]So true of most girls who are in the game regardless of country. Our hobby is full of hurdles and navigating the ST v LT landscape is hit and miss at best. My most recent trip to Pattaya I managed to secure a girl from a Gogo who I thought was sure to be a ST runner. Turned out she was a fantastic GFE who stayed the night and well into the next day.
Then went to Phnom Penh where one of my regulars did a early morning "had to go see my mother" routine. Who knows what that was about but she was always a stay overnight girl. Maybe she had another offer for the night so making more cash.
So the moral to the story is that you can really never tell. Some will stay and are worth it. Some will stay and you wish they left and some you wish you never even met! All part of the adventure. The gems make up for the duds.
Happy Hunting.
She may not earn that measly 500 at McDonalds. Usually it is past 3 am and most well versed mongers have popped by that time. Sometimes it is best to take the bird in the hand. From my point of view I can dismiss the girl early and apply my 500 baht to a new girl the next night or hop at a couple of go go's while scouting and recruiting to build my stable. If she delights me she may get future business and loyalty consideration.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020578]That seems to be a very biased view point. From the girl's point of view, she has to endure hours of poor sleep with nothing to do except play games on the phone, and put up with the guy's buzz saw snoring, then has to get fucked again in morning and perhaps another round or two during the night. Then there is the horror traffic to contend with in the morning to struggle to get home. All that for a measly 500 extra. Much better to go try for a 2nd ST customer, or party with friends. Friend has a birthday and will supply the booze. Hardly surprizing that many popular girls will not do LT, when they have a choice. Then has to pay the baby sister extra money for minding the child all night.
They weigh up the pros and cons too. The right money will usually persuade them, but not always. Some have to be home by a certain time, so baby sister can go to work. Could be very low amount for some girls and very high for others. The important point, is the situation varies, depending on many factors, including what time it is, what day of the week, does the girl have an early appointment, does she like the customer, does she tolerate the customer well, does she like the sex at all, does she have pussy pain, does she have anything better to do, etc.[/QUOTE]
In preparing for my Pattaya trip next month, I was wondering how much money to bring. After 4 trips I have a pretty good idea, but I wanted to take a closer look on what I actually spent on mongering. So, I went back and looked at the mongering costs of my trip last November to analyze my spending. (Sorry, all my formatting was destroyed, but you can figure it out.).
Here is the raw data.
Number of Mongering Days 11.
Total Number of Encounters 27.
Total Number of Providers 22.
Total Spent for Services 40,650 baht $1,175.
An "encounter" is time with a provider in which there was either a BJ or FS. Massage-only activity were not counted. I had no HJ only encounters, so they did not count either. The total Baht only covers the cost of service, bar fines and tips. Drinks, food, etc. Were not counted.
It is interesting to break down where my mongering Baht went:
Soi 6 14.
WS gogos 3.
WS Disco 4.
BR FL 4.
Soapies 1.
Tinder 1.
I was surprised at the low number of "high end" disco girls. That is a lower rate than previous trips and I think was an anomaly as I was concentrating more on Discos I guess. It may partially be due to a higher level of quality Soi 6 girls (one I saw three times as she was the ultimate GFE, and one twice as she was a stunner that I would have seen more had I discovered her sooner).
Some of you may remember my difficulties with "finishing" my encounters, or rather my inability to finish even with super hotties. In my 11 days, I only was able to "finish" 4 times. Pathetic. It might have been worse had there not been 2 ladies who encouraged BB, resulting in 3 of those finishes that otherwise were going bust.
Here are analysis results:
Average paid per encounter: 1850 Baht $ 53.
Average paid per day: 4000 $106.
Average No. Of encounter per day: 2. 5.
Average per Soi 6 encounter 1310 $ 30.
Average per WS gogo encounter 3330 $ 72.
Average WS Disco encounter 1875 $ 54.
Average BR Free Lance encounter 800 $ 23.
Total Direct Mongering Expense 40,650 $1,170.
Average Mongering Expense per day 3,700 $ 106.
A word on tips. I did not tip the providers very often. If they did their job, I did not tip. If they went above and beyond, I tipped. While most gave decent service, only a few girls truly went above and beyond, and those I tipped well.
Reviewing the data, I continue to be shocked at the cost per encounter. I do not monger much at all in the USA, and the reason is clear. In Pattaya, you can go down to BR and often get a really pretty lady for FS for $23! Soi 6 often hides some real stunners for $29 for a full hour if you take that long! I did not deliberately stay away from the gogo's, even though the average for some top-quality girls was just $72 for ST. There are certainly higher-priced gogo girls, but for whatever reason I did not partake.
The experienced Pattaya mongerer might be briefly entertained by this analysis, but I wrote it for the newbies to give them an idea of how much money to bring. Of course, food and alcohol can greatly increase your variable expenses. I indicated my results are skewed towards meeting more FL and Soi 6 girls, but I think the overall quality was not harmed that much.
To use this data, you can estimate the number and types of different encounters you want for each day of your planned visit. Add in what you might think you will spend on drinks and food and for other variable expenses. Bottom line is that mongering in Pattaya can be inexpensive compared to back home. I remember some Reno mongering from over 10 years ago where basic FS could be $300 to $500 to even $1000 for a 2-hour party. In Pattaya, you can engaged some really cute sweeties for $23 to $72.
Your Soi 6 numbers are off unless you're getting great deals on Soi 6. You said you included BF yet average Soi 6 session is 1000 baht with no 350 baht BF. I'm assuming not all 14 sessions were done after the bar closes.
Nevertheless, Soi 6 is always such a great deal. Generally good service by all the girls and so many to easily select from.
[QUOTE=BadBhoy;2020428]Day 2:
I was livid, but what could I do? Like I said, she was a total professional and she knew exactly where she was going to get the biggest payout that night. I downed what was left of my drink, and walked out of the club trying to hold on to what little bit of dignity I had left. On the way out I passed a couple of other girls who gave me some sympathetic looks. It would appear that even they felt sorry for me.
[/QUOTE]Great reports! I will be there in 12 days, so I am getting excited!
The way the gogo's seem to work is he who pays the BF first gets the girl. It generally does not matter if the girl is with another dude or not. If you like a girl that you see or who left you while you went to take a wizz, tell the mamasan who are ready to BF the girl and the chances are good you will get her. It matters not that the dude has bought her lots of drinks. If he has not BF'd her already, she is free to go with whoever does. I have had it happen to me. Bought her drinks and and the mamasan comes over and tells the girl some other dude BF'd her and to get ready to go with him! Not happey, I tell you! Lots of baht down the drain. But it works both way. You could have gone to the mamasan and probably have gotten your girl back by flashing some cash.
But the general advice is as soon as you think you want to take a girl home, BF her.
I advise that if you frequent a gogo, buy the mamasan some drinks. Do that and she will take care of you.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2020789]Your Soi 6 numbers are off unless you're getting great deals on Soi 6. You said you included BF yet average Soi 6 session is 1000 baht with no 350 baht BF. I'm assuming not all 14 sessions were done after the bar closes.
Nevertheless, Soi 6 is always such a great deal. Generally good service by all the girls and so many to easily select from.[/QUOTE]
Dern, you are correct on that! I updated the data. Mostly I spent 1300 with just 2 at 1350. Regardless, one heck of a deal as you confirm, though it takes a little searching to find a hottie there.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2020795]The way the gogo's seem to work is he who pays the BF first gets the girl. It generally does not matter if the girl is with another dude or not. If you like a girl that you see or who left you while you went to take a wizz, tell the mamasan who are ready to BF the girl and the chances are good you will get her. It matters not that the dude has bought her lots of drinks. If he has not BF'd her already, she is free to go with whoever does. I have had it happen to me. Bought her drinks and and the mamasan comes over and tells the girl some other dude BF'd her and to get ready to go with him! Not happey, I tell you! Lots of baht down the drain. But it works both way. You could have gone to the mamasan and probably have gotten your girl back by flashing some cash.[/QUOTE]Had a Japanese guy pull this stunt on me at a gogo. Unfortunately for him it was with one of my friends. She was pissed. Sure he got to go with her but I'm sure she gave him the shittiest time ever. My girl and I were sitting deciding where we were going to go after work and decided to hit a Thai disco. Then mamasan forced her to go with this older 50'ish Japanese guy. My girl said meet her at the Thai disco in 1 hour and 15 minutes. Sure enough she showed up and paid for both of us with the Japanese guy's 5000 baht. That's what she quoted the dude for ST because she didn't want to go.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2020795]Great reports! I will be there in 12 days, so I am getting excited!
The way the gogo's seem to work is he who pays the BF first gets the girl. It generally does not matter if the girl is with another dude or not.
But the general advice is as soon as you think you want to take a girl home, BF her..[/QUOTE]Thanks FLHawk, you're right of course. When we discussed money I should have closed the deal there and then. I sometimes spend too long deciding and should strike the iron whilst it's hot. I remember being really pissed at the time though, there were loads of other girls in the place but these 2 Koreans just have to have mine.
"I suddenly felt very awkward. Unsure of where to sit, what to do or who to look at. I quickly finished my drink and left that place behind me. I vowed as the door closed behind me never to return again. I knew I'd be back tomorrow. "
Khob Khun Krup for the excellent update. I am so happy to hear that The Windmill is grinding away nicely. I am heading there next week after Songkran.
I love the place.
My fondest memory is of me demonstrating the action of an Australian Rules Football goal umpire giving the goal signal to the bemused fellow Mongers in attendance.
It was a goal frenzy.
I had two happy employees bent over (one each side of me) and gave the goal signal into said employees (all four holes).
After about giving the all clear for three or four goals I slightly lost my balance and needed desperately to hold something or someone to stop me from falling down, lucky for me a rather rotund German looking sports lover was there for me to lean upon, however he did not appreciate my goal signaling units being placed on his pudgy body and he brushed me away as he wiped whatever I left him off his safari shirt.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2020799]Had a Japanese guy pull this stunt on me at a gogo. Unfortunately for him it was with one of my friends. She was pissed. Sure he got to go with her but I'm sure she gave him the shittiest time ever. My girl and I were sitting deciding where we were going to go after work and decided to hit a Thai disco. Then mamasan forced her to go with this older 50'ish Japanese guy. My girl said meet her at the Thai disco in 1 hour and 15 minutes. Sure enough she showed up and paid for both of us with the Japanese guy's 5000 baht. That's what she quoted the dude for ST because she didn't want to go.[/QUOTE]We have probably all had a hot girl yanked away by someone else who BFed her immediately. Some guys always want what someone else has apparently got, even if they don't know the girl. I have seen some girls look incredibly miserable, particularly in the old days when LT was more common, to have been BFed by some ahole guy who did not ask permission to do so.
Girls can easily say it's their period, so if you BF them, it is no guarantee you will get any satisfaction from it. Nothing can force her to fuck you if she doesn't want to. I can't fuck stiff legged girls anyway, even if they get naked. I always ask the girl if she wants to go with me, before BFing. Sometimes they really don't want to go. BF gives the girl permission to leave the bar with you butt guarantees little else. In the modern day you would normally expect a price for sex to be agreed to, however plenty of girls leave with me, with no price discussion having occurred.
However if you want a really hot girl, you better ask her quickly and get her BFed quickly, otherwise 5 minutes later her regular will waltz in, and BF her immediately.
I don't think I have ever been so rude as to just BF a girl out from under some other guy, however, I have given a girl the signal, and when she came to me, I mentioned I would BF her if the other guy did not. This gives the girl the option to choose. In some cases she doesn't like the other guy at all, so quite happy to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] him off, especially if he is an arrogant type.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020939]We have probably all had a hot girl yanked away by someone else who BFed her immediately. Some guys always want what someone else has apparently got, even if they don't know the girl. I have seen some girls look incredibly miserable, particularly in the old days when LT was more common, to have been BFed by some ahole guy who did not ask permission to do so.
Girls can easily say it's their period, so if you BF them, it is no guarantee you will get any satisfaction from it. Nothing can force her to fuck you if she doesn't want to. I can't fuck stiff legged girls anyway, even if they get naked. I always ask the girl if she wants to go with me, before BFing. Sometimes they really don't want to go. BF gives the girl permission to leave the bar with you butt guarantees little else. In the modern day you would normally expect a price for sex to be agreed to, however plenty of girls leave with me, with no price discussion having occurred.
However if you want a really hot girl, you better ask her quickly and get her BFed quickly, otherwise 5 minutes later her regular will waltz in, and BF her immediately.
I don't think I have ever been so rude as to just BF a girl out from under some other guy, however, I have given a girl the signal, and when she came to me, I mentioned I would BF her if the other guy did not. especially if he is an arrogant type.[/QUOTE]See, its little nuggets of info like this which make this site so useful. I just presumed that there must be some kind of unwritten law that you don't steal from another guy's basket. Interesting to hear that it's so cut throat out there.
I just assumed that when it happened to me, it was one of her regulars but it could also be that she just ditched me as she thought she could get a better offer from the Korean guy though. We will never know. Man she was hot.