Kyiv

[QUOTE=Desin;2734018]I don't think we were talking about pros here.

I can admire your attempt on mental acrobatics, as to turn the situation around to support your side of your modus operandi, but I'm sure you are able to see and understand what I'm talking about. Having high moral (contrary to being an opportunist with low or no morality guiding one's actions) requires sacrifices, and they are done when one has to decide whether to uphold one's integrity or letting it slip when there is something sweet to be gained. On the advantage of another person.

But still, if you are poor person or from a poor country, I can totally agree that 2000 is better than nothing. For me, 60 euros has been the minimum limit to pay for another human being giving their body for my pleasure. For an hour. Last time when I was on a trip, I tipped 40 euros on top of this, 'because the girl came on a short notice after her 8 hour work day at midnight. It was for me the same as the cost of three pizzas. For her, it meant much more.

Being human for those that treat us as human beings instead of just walking wallets whom to fuck on a conveyor belt style is the minimum we can do as mongerers to have them girls keep providing their services. Maybe even telling their girlfriends "it ain't that bad, some of them are actually really nice persons". When a girl finds out what her value is, she will think of the men who paid her short as men who took advantage of her ignorance of youth..[/QUOTE]But as you know persons there have the same work do not get the same salary for the same work they do. It dependent on in which country. So if you want come to Kiev and spend 200-300 for 1 hour with a girl. The indi girls and agency will love you here.

As long as the girl agree on the price I pay (are happy and write can we meet again) why should I than pay tourist price for a girl. I even pay more than many of the Ukraine men does. So my moral is good.

I will never pay tourist prices 80-200 for a girl for 1 hour here in Kiev now.

So to the few tourist there are in Kiev now. Get the price down. If you not want the girls and salon to laugh of you because just pay there crazy prices. And many times the girls only get a very little part of the money the most go to the people behind.

I guess my understanding about the prices in Ukraine could be skewed, since when I was there pre-war the minimum girls would ask in Mamba was 100 dollars for an hour (except the one 50 dollar girl which some of you know) and they weren't the prettiest ones. Better looking girls asked 200 dollars and laughed for the 100.

How are you treated there now, Nero? Can people spot that you are foreigner from your looks?

[QUOTE=Desin;2736114]I guess my understanding about the prices in Ukraine could be skewed, since when I was there pre-war the minimum girls would ask in Mamba was 100 dollars for an hour (except the one 50 dollar girl which some of you know) and they weren't the prettiest ones. Better looking girls asked 200 dollars and laughed for the 100.

How are you treated there now, Nero? Can people spot that you are foreigner from your looks?[/QUOTE]It Is a new time here in Kiev. It is not like before the war where people had good job and there was so many tourist here in Kiev. Yesterday I went to O'Brains pub. Before the war many forigners and good business there. Yesterday when they closed at 19:45 there had been 11 people there (open at 12:00). The barman said the business is so bad and no tourist. He said about 90 % of the people there come there are Ukraine people and the rest foreigners. Before the war so many forigner there.

If people take contact to me they do it in russian language. So I most look like a local. When they find out I'am a foreigner they are so gratefull and happy that I'am here (they say thanks for support Ukraine, true friend of Ukraine and that I stay in Kiev). So people are so kind to me here.

[QUOTE=HenriDufresne;2730661]At Bobsmith1.

On Ukrainian websites, you see the real prices.

You should look there on an Ukrainian website:

[URL]http://kiev.ukrgo.com/post_24385672_ispolnju_bse_tboi_tajnye_zhelanija.zboni_sladkij.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]This website is not working today. Do you guys have some more local websites that are used inside Ukraine?

I'm planning a trip to EU soon for work and then I'll take a week to hunt women. I'd rather have one girl for 3 days then multiple girls. Is there any reliable agencies in any part of Ukraine?

[QUOTE=BarryWood;2737588]This website is not working today. Do you guys have some more local websites that are used inside Ukraine?

I'm planning a trip to EU soon for work and then I'll take a week to hunt women. I'd rather have one girl for 3 days then multiple girls. Is there any reliable agencies in any part of Ukraine?[/QUOTE]The site works just fine. It's just that the one post on the ukrgo site has been taken down.

[QUOTE=UkeBoy;2737786]The site works just fine. It's just that the one post on the ukrgo site has been taken down.[/QUOTE]I think you may be interested to know the link to the Kiev escort category of Ukrgo:

Here we go:

[URL]http://kiev.ukrgo.com/view_subsection.php?id_subsection=146[/URL]

Open this page in Chrome or Edge to get the translation.

Share your experience with the girls that you met on ukrgo.

I have seen streetwalkers who also advertised on ukrgo. It can be quite good actually. I remember this woman who said she was available near a metro station in Kiev. So, you can go there and evaluate her beauty before talking to her.

Thank you.

I suppose that other than physically joining the fight, the next best thing you can do to help Ukraine is taking a trip and, depending on your budget, dropping 5 K to 10 K over a week or two. If a million tourists were to do this, they would add 10 billion to their economy. But for Christ sake, do not overpay, or you will raise the prices.

[QUOTE=Nero6;2736377]It Is a new time here in Kiev. It is not like before the war where people had good job and there was so many tourist here in Kiev. Yesterday I went to O'Brains pub. Before the war many forigners and good business there. Yesterday when they closed at 19:45 there had been 11 people there (open at 12:00). The barman said the business is so bad and no tourist. He said about 90 % of the people there come there are Ukraine people and the rest foreigners. Before the war so many forigner there.

If people take contact to me they do it in russian language. So I most look like a local. When they find out I'am a foreigner they are so gratefull and happy that I'am here (they say thanks for support Ukraine, true friend of Ukraine and that I stay in Kiev). So people are so kind to me here.[/QUOTE]

Looking at Ukr postings, it looks like there are real, bona-fide postings out of real girls desperate for $.

Due to war, economy, many girls seem to be forced to come into this world.

I just wish the airway to Boryspil opens soon so that my blueballs can empty out.

How is it in Kiev? Any fellow comrades write about it? Or, you guys in Kiev are so busy meeting girls?

[QUOTE=Desin;2734018]I don't think we were talking about pros here.

I can admire your attempt on mental acrobatics, as to turn the situation around to support your side of your modus operandi, but I'm sure you are able to see and understand what I'm talking about. Having high moral (contrary to being an opportunist with low or no morality guiding one's actions) requires sacrifices, and they are done when one has to decide whether to uphold one's integrity or letting it slip when there is something sweet to be gained. On the advantage of another person.

But still, if you are poor person or from a poor country, I can totally agree that 2000 is better than nothing. For me, 60 euros has been the minimum limit to pay for another human being giving their body for my pleasure. For an hour. Last time when I was on a trip, I tipped 40 euros on top of this, 'because the girl came on a short notice after her 8 hour work day at midnight. It was for me the same as the cost of three pizzas. For her, it meant much more.

Being human for those that treat us as human beings instead of just walking wallets whom to fuck on a conveyor belt style is the minimum we can do as mongerers to have them girls keep providing their services. Maybe even telling their girlfriends "it ain't that bad, some of them are actually really nice persons". When a girl finds out what her value is, she will think of the men who paid her short as men who took advantage of her ignorance of youth. For example, I got this sense from my ex regular, whom I paid 120 euro for "an hour" (and it would be 3 hours before she got a boyfriend) for a year, and who is now being paid 300 euros for one hour, because she is the cream of the crop. We had amazing time, she said I'm her favorite client. I actually was able to get her cum by licking, which was super rare for her, and we did some things every time that really turned her on that not many people do in sex. Yet, there was the hint of bitterness and blame in her message for me, stating what she charges now. She didn't remember I told her on our second or third meeting that she could ask for 250 euros, the highest price girls ask here. She was able to go even higher. But since our meetings cost me 300 euros with her 120, the apartment for 100, and travel plus meals, she knew I appreciated her company a lot. Others paid her around 100 euros. She was a girl who was approached by men all the time, but deep down she didn't think herself to be of value. This is something we should not take advantage of.

I'd say pay for the work the price it's worth. As one would hope one would get from his own work. It's time and effort the girls put into this, the same as we do when we earn our money.

Especially in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Very well said my fellow human!

[QUOTE=LKS2021;2743148]Looking at Ukr postings, it looks like there are real, bona-fide postings out of real girls desperate for $.

Due to war, economy, many girls seem to be forced to come into this world.

I just wish the airway to Boryspil opens soon so that my blueballs can empty out.

How is it in Kiev? Any fellow comrades write about it? Or, you guys in Kiev are so busy meeting girls?[/QUOTE]

Before the war, 98% of offers were fake. Do you think it's different now? In addition, the low prices are often only the basic tariff. For every little extra you have to pay extra. So that in the end the price doubles and triples. I've just come from Ukraine and I can assure you: beautiful women still have enough customers and pockets full of money. As is well known, Ukrainian men are not allowed to leave the country. So 90 percent of the four million refugees are women and children, invalids or pensioners. However, the supply of women has shrunk significantly. I wanted to invite a friend of mine for a vacation. She declined. Reason: In Kyiv she is doing the business of her life at the moment. What's missing at the moment is the party life. Because in the evening everything is closed early. And that's why many of the disco girls can be found abroad.

I was also in Kyiv at the time of the crisis in 2014/2015. At that time you could still find very beautiful girls with a financial problem. But the situation is not comparable. Absolutely not. Foreign countries are pumping a lot of money into Ukraine at the moment.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2744063]Before the war, 98% of offers were fake. Do you think it's different now? In addition, the low prices are often only the basic tariff. For every little extra you have to pay extra. So that in the end the price doubles and triples. I've just come from Ukraine and I can assure you: beautiful women still have enough customers and pockets full of money. As is well known, Ukrainian men are not allowed to leave the country. So 90 percent of the four million refugees are women and children, invalids or pensioners. However, the supply of women has shrunk significantly. I wanted to invite a friend of mine for a vacation. She declined. Reason: In Kyiv she is doing the business of her life at the moment. What's missing at the moment is the party life. Because in the evening everything is closed early. And that's why many of the disco girls can be found abroad.

I was also in Kyiv at the time of the crisis in 2014/2015. At that time you could still find very beautiful girls with a financial problem. But the situation is not comparable. Absolutely not. Foreign countries are pumping a lot of money into Ukraine at the moment.[/QUOTE]Some people live in a fantasy world. Why would you go to Kiev in the middle of a war?

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2744063]Before the war, 98% of offers were fake. Do you think it's different now? In addition, the low prices are often only the basic tariff. For every little extra you have to pay extra. So that in the end the price doubles and triples. I've just come from Ukraine and I can assure you: beautiful women still have enough customers and pockets full of money. As is well known, Ukrainian men are not allowed to leave the country. So 90 percent of the four million refugees are women and children, invalids or pensioners. However, the supply of women has shrunk significantly. I wanted to invite a friend of mine for a vacation. She declined. Reason: In Kyiv she is doing the business of her life at the moment. What's missing at the moment is the party life. Because in the evening everything is closed early. And that's why many of the disco girls can be found abroad.

I was also in Kyiv at the time of the crisis in 2014/2015. At that time you could still find very beautiful girls with a financial problem. But the situation is not comparable. Absolutely not. Foreign countries are pumping a lot of money into Ukraine at the moment.[/QUOTE]There are still many fake profil or the sites where you can find girls here in Kiev. And you are right that if you go to a salon, agency and some indi too, you most pay ekstra for every little ekstra service. So if you do it that way it can be expensive. I talked with a girl (I'am almost 100 % sure it was salon) aksing 150 $ for 1 hour (blowjob and sex in condom and no kissing). I said no.

Of course there will allway's be some people in Kiev there just pay crazy prices but it is not like before the war more. Many people here (in Kiev) have no work and the salary is very low now. So most of the ukraine men can not pay crazy money. One of my friends find a nice girl 22 year on badoo. He invited her out. For 2 person (some beer and a little food) he paid around 800 grn. And she went with him home and they had fun the hole night. And she did not aks for money. So the way is to find the girls your self. And it can take some time. But if you have time you can be lucky (find a nice girl for a good price).

And still if a girl work for a salon (the salon take around 60-80 % and the girl get the rest). So the girl there meet with the client do not get much when the people behind the place have had there cut.

And still not many tourist here. But to the foreigner there are here now have fun (but do not pay crazy money for a girl).

If some is in Kiev now and up for a beer let me know.

[QUOTE=Nero6;2744645]There are still many fake profil or the sites where you can find girls here in Kiev. And you are right that if you go to a salon, agency and some indi too, you most pay ekstra for every little ekstra service. So if you do it that way it can be expensive. I talked with a girl (I'am almost 100 % sure it was salon) aksing 150 $ for 1 hour (blowjob and sex in condom and no kissing). I said no.

Of course there will allway's be some people in Kiev there just pay crazy prices but it is not like before the war more. Many people here (in Kiev) have no work and the salary is very low now. So most of the ukraine men can not pay crazy money. One of my friends find a nice girl 22 year on badoo. He invited her out. For 2 person (some beer and a little food) he paid around 800 grn. And she went with him home and they had fun the hole night. And she did not aks for money. So the way is to find the girls your self. And it can take some time. But if you have time you can be lucky (find a nice girl for a good price).

And still if a girl work for a salon (the salon take around 60-80 % and the girl get the rest). So the girl there meet with the client do not get much when the people behind the place have had there cut.

And still not many tourist here. But to the foreigner there are here now have fun (but do not pay crazy money for a girl).

If some is in Kiev now and up for a beer let me know.[/QUOTE]Just tested some numbers posted on Ukrgo with telegram.

Most of them are fake, mama-san operating pros. Some even asked for 33000 UAH (approx. $900!

You are so right. Ukrainians do not forget what they are best at. (well, these scanky sharks!) - I respect innocent Ukrainians to fight for their freedom, tho.

Is it getting better in Kiev? I heard Mcdonald came back to open. My memories to hook up young girls at Kiev Mcdonald, that kind of thrill.

When would Boryspil open? Just having too big blueballs underneath, I need to release, fellas!

Shall we not go back to Kyiv one more time before Putin drops a nuke?

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;2746359]Shall we not go back to Kyiv one more time before Putin drops a nuke?[/QUOTE]I am afraid you might be right!!