Kyiv

[QUOTE=James006;2932912]The girls at Prinsess strip club give you hopes that you can take them out to your hotel. They would like to have a drink or two and discuss the matter. All warning lights should light up here. While they either pour the drink or leave it completely untouched, you find that under no circumstances do they go out with customers. A sneaky way to earn a little extra from naive customers.

Previously, the girls and the administration played with open cards, now you have to go through a game to find out what possibilities can be agreed. You will waste time and money and the probability of success is minimal. There were two ladies who went to the hotel, but they were uninteresting to us.

I have visited this club many times and spent a fortune in the private rooms, but I have never experienced that the girls keep a distance of two meters when they give private dances. So what's the point?

This does not apply to everyone, but several do it this way now and the administrator looks at you stupidly if you complain.

With such a poor offer in Kiev as it is now, many end up at the strip clubs to at least be able to look at the goods before making an agreement for something more. And there will hardly be anything more.

The ladies in apartments are really miserable, the photos of the ladies who advertise on escort sites are of models that do not exist on the market and after up to several non-fuckables show up at your door who do not in any way resemble the woman you picked as your favorite, then many of us jump into a taxi and visit the agency and look at the line-up in the hope that there is still some gold. Unfortunately, this is also a downfall.

Also the massage parlors, which until recently had some young beautiful girls, now have a very low level in terms of beauty and delicate selection.

The famous pretty Ukrainian girls can be found in the streets on their way to and from shopping etc. But while we used to pick up ladies in various places they have now shut down and seem disinterested.

I have never worked so hard for so little!

Tootsie has some ladies who go to the hotel but with 300 Euro for 2 hours and 400 for three hours you have to be reasonably desperate. The most beautiful ladies do not go to hotels and only give private dances for 900 grivna for approx. 3 minutes.

The strip club Harem has never had so many dancers with big asses.

Our group had little success with Tinder and in the past we have had a pretty good response.

There are clearly fewer girls in circulation and they have probably grown tired of the war situation and found happiness elsewhere.

Kiev is now one of the worst places for our hoppy in Europe and in addition you have the risk of the war.

Even so, there are many tourists looking for ladies. Is there an alternative market somewhere that we haven't caught on to?[/QUOTE]Why is any of this a surprise to you, there is a war going on. Kiev has been the worst place world for over a decade, some people never learn.

Yes, you are right.

Decline started a long time ago, but now it's really really bad. I just wanted to give you a recent update. Sorry that it was so negative, but that's how it is.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2932921]Why is any of this a surprise to you, there is a war going on. Kiev has been the worst place world for over a decade, some people never learn.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=James006;2932912]The girls at Prinsess strip club give you hopes that you can take them out to your hotel. They would like to have a drink or two and discuss the matter. All warning lights should light up here. While they either pour the drink or leave it completely untouched, you find that under no circumstances do they go out with customers. A sneaky way to earn a little extra from naive customers.

Previously, the girls and the administration played with open cards, now you have to go through a game to find out what possibilities can be agreed. You will waste time and money and the probability of success is minimal. There were two ladies who went to the hotel, but they were uninteresting to us.[/QUOTE]Beautiful, active girls have gone to Europe and are now spreading their legs there. There are 200,000 Ukrainian prostitutes in Berlin alone. So yes, the country is dying, there will be a demographic crisis, and we can forget about beautiful Ukrainian women, because the entire gene pool has gone to Europe.

[QUOTE=Gopnik;2926943]I walked in the shade of the trees at KPI park to escape the Kyiv summer heat before heading over to Smart Plaza. Fuck it was hot! A lot of pretty young birds walking solo or in small groups. At the mall I struck up a conversation with a few girls but nothing came of it. I left the mall and came upon three women of university age smoking on a bench near the metro station. They spoke English and I gave them my mobile number telling them if they wanted to meet for drinks or have a party to contact me. They smiled politely and took my number.

That evening one of them texted me via viber in Russian and I invited her to meet for a drink at a caf. She told me her name was Anna and she was 18 and studying and working in Kyiv at a McDonalds. We met for a cold drink at Kosmopolit Mall and talked for a bit. Anna was looking pretty and had a healthy rack for a young woman. I told her I was living and working in Kyiv and she asked me directly what I wanted and I told her I would like romantic meetings with a girl like her for financial gifts. She agreed. I watched Anna get up and walk to the bathroom and liked what I saw. When she returned, we took a taxi to my flat in the center. We had some whisky (she mixed hers with cola) and we agreed on 4,000 UAH per meeting and told her there would be plenty where that came from if she were a good girlfriend. We got a little drunk and started kissing. I told her before I paid her I wanted to see her naked and if I liked what I saw we could proceed. Anna did not disappoint. I got a little unsettled when air raid sirens went off while she was sucking on me but Anna kept at it like a good girl. We'll meet again this week.

I had another stroke of luck recently and I'll post about it later. Here are a few photos of Anna I got from her viber.[/QUOTE]Before the pandemic, it was like that. You may even find a normal GF inside the McDonald too. I was too chicken to go back since the "what" happened. Maybe I should go back, I heard its not too bad, most of the people told me that its more likely you get stabbed and robbed or die in traffic accidents in San Francisco than you die in Ukraine. I can believe that now. I'm in Russia now but not much lucks, I had to use translator the while time on dates. Not as many people speak English here. Or I just haven't met them. I will plan on going to Belarus to check out a few things and then head to Poland and then go to Livi and then take a train to Kyiv to check out things.

[QUOTE=BobSmith1;2956629]Before the pandemic, it was like that. You may even find a normal GF inside the McDonald too. I was too chicken to go back since the "what" happened. Maybe I should go back, I heard its not too bad, most of the people told me that its more likely you get stabbed and robbed or die in traffic accidents in San Francisco than you die in Ukraine. I can believe that now. I'm in Russia now but not much lucks, I had to use translator the while time on dates. Not as many people speak English here. Or I just haven't met them. I will plan on going to Belarus to check out a few things and then head to Poland and then go to Livi and then take a train to Kyiv to check out things.[/QUOTE]I heard there could be some problems at Ukrainian border if you have Russian or Belarus stamps on your passport, but I'm not sure.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2956683]I heard there could be some problems at Ukrainian border if you have Russian or Belarus stamps on your passport, but I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]Hhhmmm, I guess so. I was questioned every time I entered russia too. I had to unlock my phone and let them check whatever they want to check. I'm not 100% sure if they will deny my entry. Hard to say. If they do, I will go back to poland and think about what I should go next then.

Hi guys, before the "thing" happened I used to travel quite a bit to Kyiv since we had a partner company there.

As a single guy I enjoyed some of the pleasures along the way in the city.

One of my favorites in the city were always the massages: nowhere else have I had such an experience with full naked body-on-body action (whitout actual intercourse) and great finishing.

My question: does anyone know of a city in / around Europe where the same service-levels are offered and where / for what would I need to look for?

I mean: the term "massage" can mean anything.

[QUOTE=Tomster99;2975458]Hi guys, before the "thing" happened I used to travel quite a bit to Kyiv since we had a partner company there.

As a single guy I enjoyed some of the pleasures along the way in the city.

One of my favorites in the city were always the massages: nowhere else have I had such an experience with full naked body-on-body action (whitout actual intercourse) and great finishing.

My question: does anyone know of a city in / around Europe where the same service-levels are offered and where / for what would I need to look for?

I mean: the term "massage" can mean anything.[/QUOTE]Moscow and every other Russian city has exactly has these exact luxe, premium salons with sensual body to body which imo was much more satisfying than FS. The lineups alone are intoxicating and done by girls a lot less 'pro' than full on escorts. But I'm sure Russia is not an option.

Best alternative is definitely Prague, although with proper European prices. The premium massage salons there have the exact same setup, with some really hot Ukrainian girls. And I've found the Ukrainian girls to be even more sensual than Russian. Huge influx of Ukrainian hotties in Prague post 2022 "thing", seems to have slowed down a bit now judging on the salon website lineups. Think some of the spa's are owned by Ukrainian / Russian. The ambience is unmistakable.

I've seen Poland has some similar setups, but not too sure on the quality of the ladies there as I haven't been.

[QUOTE=Tomster99;2975458]Hi guys, before the "thing" happened I used to travel quite a bit to Kyiv since we had a partner company there.

As a single guy I enjoyed some of the pleasures along the way in the city.

One of my favorites in the city were always the massages: nowhere else have I had such an experience with full naked body-on-body action (whitout actual intercourse) and great finishing.

My question: does anyone know of a city in / around Europe where the same service-levels are offered and where / for what would I need to look for?

I mean: the term "massage" can mean anything.[/QUOTE]In Germany, many clubs with foods, drinks, SPA, massage and WGs for sex. In some clubs, P6 for 50/30. In some, for 100/30. And Germany is safe and I find German girls.

[QUOTE=Jbob084;2975547]Moscow and every other Russian city has exactly has these exact luxe, premium salons with sensual body to body which imo was much more satisfying than FS. The lineups alone are intoxicating and done by girls a lot less 'pro' than full on escorts. But I'm sure Russia is not an option.

Best alternative is definitely Prague, although with proper European prices. The premium massage salons there have the exact same setup, with some really hot Ukrainian girls. And I've found the Ukrainian girls to be even more sensual than Russian. Huge influx of Ukrainian hotties in Prague post 2022 "thing", seems to have slowed down a bit now judging on the salon website lineups. Think some of the spa's are owned by Ukrainian / Russian. The ambience is unmistakable.

I've seen Poland has some similar setups, but not too sure on the quality of the ladies there as I haven't been.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for your feedback, I see it exactly as you do. Often quite more sensational than FS. I am hoping to be back in Kyiv soon and hope these days aren't completly gone. I read different feedback. Quite some state that the girls are not as nice as they were any more in the massage salons of the city. But yeah: pricepoint was also super interesting, when I was in the city I would enjoy a massage almost on a daily basis.

Do you have some tips for good massage places in Prague maybe? If so, could you PM me? Would appreciate it mate.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2975550]In Germany, many clubs with foods, drinks, SPA, massage and WGs for sex. In some clubs, P6 for 50/30. In some, for 100/30. And Germany is safe and I find German girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I am aware of the clubs in Germany, but I was really more focussing on the kind of massages you get in Kyiv which are not considered sexual intercourse.

[QUOTE=Tomster99;2975774]Many thanks for your feedback, I see it exactly as you do. Often quite more sensational than FS. I am hoping to be back in Kyiv soon and hope these days aren't completly gone. I read different feedback. Quite some state that the girls are not as nice as they were any more in the massage salons of the city. But yeah: pricepoint was also super interesting, when I was in the city I would enjoy a massage almost on a daily basis.

Do you have some tips for good massage places in Prague maybe? If so, could you PM me? Would appreciate it mate.[/QUOTE]After the war Kiev is probably going to climb into the top 5 mongering place on the planet in my opinion. Popular place like the caraibean had been roasted by the amreican tourist who create ean insane inflation into the price, girls in RD are now asking to be paid 100 $ usd for ST. Colombia is probably the next place who is going to be ruined by the usa monger and the asia still have decent price but the plane ticket are so high its now insine to go there more then once a years.

[QUOTE=BennieBen;2976687]After the war Kiev is probably going to climb into the top 5 mongering place on the planet in my opinion. Popular place like the caraibean had been roasted by the amreican tourist who create ean insane inflation into the price, girls in RD are now asking to be paid 100 $ usd for ST. Colombia is probably the next place who is going to be ruined by the usa monger and the asia still have decent price but the plane ticket are so high its now insine to go there more then once a years.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. Could be. OR: could also go the other way around. I guess ATM there are quite a lot of americans in Kyiv and they are away from home as reporters or army specialists etc, therefor lonely and probably "consuming" a lot of adult entertaiment perks.

Once that war is over, there will probably also be a lot of girls returning and building a future with the money they earned abroad. So this will help to rebalance.

[QUOTE=BennieBen;2976687]After the war Kiev is probably going to climb into the top 5 mongering place on the planet in my opinion. Popular place like the caraibean had been roasted by the amreican tourist who create ean insane inflation into the price, girls in RD are now asking to be paid 100 $ usd for ST. Colombia is probably the next place who is going to be ruined by the usa monger and the asia still have decent price but the plane ticket are so high its now insine to go there more then once a years.[/QUOTE]I highly doubt that. Alot of the girls / younger women simply left Kiev. When I look at big German cities there has been a huge influx of Ukrainian women that are only looking into getting wifed up. They are refugees but act like queens its crazy.

I firmly believe it will be the opposite way around after the war. It will be slim pickings and that will drive prices up.

To be fair I don't think Kiev ever was a great mongering destination. I was there shortly before the pandemic and yes the women are gorgeous but there is no proper redlight zones, everything is very hush hush and intransparent, classifieds are full with scammers and the really hot girls are quite flaky.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2975550]In Germany, many clubs with foods, drinks, SPA, massage and WGs for sex. In some clubs, P6 for 50/30. In some, for 100/30. And Germany is safe and I find German girls.[/QUOTE]These prices are no longer indicative for P6 in Germany. At least in the big cities like Munich, Hamburg, Frankfurt and Stuttgart its more like 50 euros for **20** minutes and its a super mechanical extremely low quality and low effort service that you get for that. Extras such as DATY or uncovered BJs (if offered by the girl) hike up the prices fast. If you want to fuck a pretty girl and take your time (lets say 1 hour, 1-2 shots) the very minimum will be 150€ but more often than not it will cost you 200€+.

Only clueless people (and americans) still think mongering is a good deal in Germany.