Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931042]I don't believe CIM is a typical GF behavior at all. I recall only one or two semi-GFs into that. Might be a requirement for you but I don't expect it to be completely normal and I don't need it from a GF. Not many girls really like it, and not many girls are that into anal either. These are more Pornstar type girls for me.

I am well aware you are BBFS sex man, but I am not doing that with every girl I meet. One GF was open to BBFS only after she saw my test results. One girl fucked me BB first and wanted to see the test results later just to be sure before making BBFS the habit.

I am happy with Sunlover2's definitions.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that Anal is more porn star behavior. But I would assume a girl that I considered my "girlfriend" had little to no real interest in considering me her "boyfriend" if she were still cum-dodging at the end of a BJ after being with her regularly for, oh, a month or so. It would be clear as day she just wasn't all that into me. In the first week or two, I would probably not come to that conclusion. But after a full month of seeing a girl regularly enough for me to consider her my girlfriend, cum-dodging is not happening without me already seriously shopping for a better girlfriend quite a bit more into me than that.

I would consider Sunlover2's definition of a GFE, "GFE = good attitude, kissing / DFK, some genuine passion and engagement, allowing herself to become stimulated, no significant stop signs", to be about what I'd feared most on these boards were talking about when they praised a girl's GFE. But for me that would be rock bottom basic ok / acceptable P4 P behavior, maybe a notch above total Starfish. Subtract any one of those, IMO, minimal attributes and I wouldn't consider a repeat even for free.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931042]I don't believe CIM is a typical GF behavior at all. I recall only one or two semi-GFs into that. Might be a requirement for you but I don't expect it to be completely normal and I don't need it from a GF. Not many girls really like it, and not many girls are that into anal either. These are more Pornstar type girls for me.

I am well aware you are BBFS sex man, but I am not doing that with every girl I meet. One GF was open to BBFS only after she saw my test results. One girl fucked me BB first and wanted to see the test results later just to be sure before making BBFS the habit.

I am happy with Sunlover2's definitions.[/QUOTE]Every GF I ever had was not the least comephobic. CIM was always part of the program. With most swallowing as well.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931092]Every GF I ever had was not the least comephobic. CIM was always part of the program. With most swallowing as well.[/QUOTE]Same here. If CIM is so uncommon or exotic as to be considered Pornstar behavior, I guess that means virtually every girl working in the many BJ bars around the world, not just in Thailand, would be considered a pornstar level performer. But we know they are not. That would also go for more than half of the go-go dancers I have barfined throughout Thailand and the Philippines, the beer bar girls, freelancers, etc. Yet, I would not consider the vast majority of them to be pornstar level providers.

I for one don't even think a discussion of "blowjobs" ought to require the additional term "CIM", since CIM to my way of thinking is what a blowjob is all about, although I recognize that many of us on these boards refer to what is actually merely oral foreplay as a "BBBJ" sometimes. A blowjob that finishes any other way than in the mouth is really a handjob (or however it finishes) with some oral foreplay thrown in. Apparently, patrons of the BJ bars of Thailand, the Philippines, etc. agree with me on that point because I don't know anyone who refers to those BJ Bars as "BJ+CIM Bars" even though that is the standard for how BJs are finished in those bars. We just refer to them as BJ Bars because everyone knows that is what a real BJ is and how a real BJ finishes.

I don't even think I have ever needed a girl to be a bone fide "girlfriend" in order to automatically finish her BJ with CIM. That has been the standard way of finishing blowjobs throughout my life even with one night stands I've met at a party or in a restaurant / bar. In the USA, the reason I have heard for the prevalence of CIM AND Swallowing the cum as often as "because I like / love you" was that it was simply so much cleaner, neater and less messy to catch it all in their mouth and swallow it down the hatch quickly and efficiently. An utterly prosaic and pragmatic bit of reasoning, really. Nothing to do with trying to emulate pornstar behavior. LOL The best way for your girl to fill a room with the smell of cum and get it all over her face, hands, the sheets, you and seemingly everywhere else is to not capture it all in her mouth (and, preferably, swallow it) but instead to dodge it at the last second and let it fly wherever it goes.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931092]Every GF I ever had was not the least comephobic. CIM was always part of the program. With most swallowing as well.[/QUOTE]I am thinking regional and cultural differences. For those of us stuck in Western world hell it seems easier to get A+ play than CIM with a GF. Thai ladies seem to prefer CIM because they don't want to mess up their hair and makeup 555.

As for TG P4 P I think you can count on CIM 100% in a BJ bar, but less than 100% in other situations unless specifically discussed. YMMV.

SL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931092]Every GF I ever had was not the least comephobic. CIM was always part of the program. With most swallowing as well.[/QUOTE]LOL. I don't talk about your GF I talk about GFs in general. I never tried to cum in mouth of a GF who did not come from P4 P or requested it. I assume the average guy does not get this either.

CIM is not incompatible with GFE just not guaranteed. Plenty of GFs do not provide it.

Look for guys not service oriented GFE is not much about a specific lost of services other than fuck and DFK. Its more if she gives the impression that both of you can enjoy the session somewhat well, enjoy I understand some GFs maybe do not enjoy. Its the impression of her eagerness to please and lose herself a little rather than perform procedural tasks or services.

If I say a girl was GFE does not mean I asked if she does CIM. I might not know the full set of services she can do. It wasn't relevant.

A correction. I believe I got mixed up. New Massage in Soi 33 has two girls with red hair. One of them on web site Anna I believe now does not have silicones. It should be Naen is the red haired girl with big silicones. Not sure which of the two is more pretty due to the mix up. Possibly both.

The owner of New Massage may be a relative of Dream Heaven owner. Only has been going a few months but some nice girls.

I am a confirmed customer. Rooms I used were nice. Maybe not all are that good.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931140]A correction. I believe I got mixed up. New Massage in Soi 33 has two girls with red hair. One of them on web site Anna I believe now does not have silicones. It should be Naen is the red haired girl with big silicones. Not sure which of the two is more pretty due to the mix up. Possibly both.

The owner of New Massage may be a relative of Dream Heaven owner. Only has been going a few months but some nice girls.

I am a confirmed customer. Rooms I used were nice. Maybe not all are that good.[/QUOTE]Syzygies,

We still wait on the name of your girl in this shop. Obviously you can't remember but maybe she is on the website? As said in a previous mail, I will be happy to find such a GFE on my coming trip to BKK. WOuld you please share the full info? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931140]A correction. I believe I got mixed up. New Massage in Soi 33 has two girls with red hair. One of them on web site Anna I believe now does not have silicones. It should be Naen is the red haired girl with big silicones. Not sure which of the two is more pretty due to the mix up. Possibly both.

The owner of New Massage may be a relative of Dream Heaven owner. Only has been going a few months but some nice girls.

I am a confirmed customer. Rooms I used were nice. Maybe not all are that good.[/QUOTE]Is New Massage a multi-pop shop? I've a few days in BKK at the end of the month and am weighing options. This place is intriguing.

(Long-time lurker, I know. Promise to post a trip report this time.).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931126]LOL. I don't talk about your GF I talk about GFs in general. I never tried to cum in mouth of a GF who did not come from P4 P or requested it. I assume the average guy does not get this either.

CIM is not incompatible with GFE just not guaranteed. Plenty of GFs do not provide it.

Look for guys not service oriented GFE is not much about a specific lost of services other than fuck and DFK. Its more if she gives the impression that both of you can enjoy the session somewhat well, enjoy I understand some GFs maybe do not enjoy. Its the impression of her eagerness to please and lose herself a little rather than perform procedural tasks or services.

If I say a girl was GFE does not mean I asked if she does CIM. I might not know the full set of services she can do. It wasn't relevant.[/QUOTE]I am talking about every GF I have ever had, not P4 P gals. All my friends at home wives and GFs all CIM without exception.

CIM seems such a waste, just letting it disappear like that. I like to build up 3 days of cum and shoot it all over her tits like Peter North. I would do it on her face but it's difficult to find a girl with a pretty face who'll let me do that.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931240]All my friends at home wives and GFs all CIM without exception.[/QUOTE]Sure, all my real GF's including the ex-wife gave CIM BJ's, but with varying degrees of enthusiasm. The ex was very good at it and swallowed naturally and without hesitation, but some GF's did not swallow at all and spit it out. Of course I prefer the swallowers, but I never broke up with a girlfriend solely on account her BJ skills were not top rated. I am talking about real girlfriends, not honky tonk bar girl relations and I am not talking about casual liaisons either. I may be shallow, but .... 555.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931245]CIM seems such a waste[/QUOTE]With only a handful of exceptions, no pun intended, Cumming in the vagina is the only way I go nowadays. I can't afford to waste a single drop.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931126]CIM is not incompatible with GFE just not guaranteed. Plenty of GFs do not provide it.[/QUOTE]Of course BJ bar ladies are expected to do CIM. Since they are advertised to be [I]single service expert providers[/I] they are expected to take that activity to the limit.

And depending on where we are in the relationship I have had GF's try to get away with the dreaded NWE (near wife experience) which is more or less basic disinterest.

SL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931041]Guess I like that Chinese look. You don't find gals like this in Thailand too often.

[URL]https://www.4shared.com/photo/ExZddeu2/car-show-girls-at-the-asian-ph.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]If you look closely, the girl on the left has a 3 prong electrical cord coming out of her vag. I'm still trying to figure out what that's all about!

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1931281]If you look closely, the girl on the left has a 3 prong electrical cord coming out of her vag. I'm still trying to figure out what that's all about![/QUOTE]I can't see it that clearly. Could be something like period padding.

[QUOTE=McRib;1931231]Is New Massage a multi-pop shop? I've a few days in BKK at the end of the month and am weighing options. This place is intriguing.
[/QUOTE]I hate this question. It always arises. What is going to happen? Suppose you booked a 2 hour session, and you cum on the first time she touches your leg. What are you going to do with the remaining 2 hours? No fuck at all? Of course not. However if you want to fuck solid, for the entire 2 hours the girl is more than likely not going to co-operate.

Just be reasonable, I would suggest. I am never asking a girl how many pops are allowed, since I take a loooong time to cum. It would be totally unreasonable for me to ask for a 2nd in this circumstance. We already fucked for a time much longer than normal or average I suspect (based on what others tell me). I even take a break from fucking for a few minutes and then resume again. This causes my sensitivity to improve after the break.

There have been occasions in my history when I was able to Cum fairly easily and I there was plenty of time left so did get hard again and have a 2nd round. This is unusual for me, so hence I know little about the number of pops topic. I am always more than happy to service the girl to give her multiple pops if she wants them.

I have no clues at all about shop rules for number of pops allowed. I have no clue how any given girl would decide what is reasonable. More than likely depends on the particular girl, whether she likes you or not, whether you are a pounder or not, etc.

Only certain special shops more or less indicate that you can fuck for the entire time if you want to. New Massage would not be in that category.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931301]I hate this question. It always arises. What is going to happen? Suppose you booked a 2 hour session, and you cum on the first time she touches your leg. What are you going to do with the remaining 2 hours? No fuck at all? Of course not. However if you want to fuck solid, for the entire 2 hours the girl is more than likely not going to co-operate.

Just be reasonable, I would suggest. I am never asking a girl how many pops are allowed, since I take a loooong time to cum. It would be totally unreasonable for me to ask for a 2nd in this circumstance. We already fucked for a time much longer than normal or average I suspect (based on what others tell me). I even take a break from fucking for a few minutes and then resume again. This causes my sensitivity to improve after the break.

There have been occasions in my history when I was able to Cum fairly easily and I there was plenty of time left so did get hard again and have a 2nd round. This is unusual for me, so hence I know little about the number of pops topic. I am always more than happy to service the girl to give her multiple pops if she wants them.

I have no clues at all about shop rules for number of pops allowed. I have no clue how any given girl would decide what is reasonable. More than likely depends on the particular girl, whether she likes you or not, whether you are a pounder or not, etc.

Only certain special shops more or less indicate that you can fuck for the entire time if you want to. New Massage would not be in that category.[/QUOTE]There is always Viagra and red bull available.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931301]I hate this question (about multiple pops)... Just be reasonable, I would suggest. [/QUOTE]You can hate it all you want, but multiple pops are the #1 crucial question when choosing a naughty massage parlor.

Once upon a time, when a shag cost 1000 baht or so and girls were generally far less eager to leave (if not better in bed), the advice to just be reasonable might have made some sense. These days, an average monger is overwhelmingly likely to get a 20 min session for 2500 baht if they fail to assert their expectations. Unless the girls looks exceptional (almost none do), if there's no option of the 2nd pop, that's remarkably crappy value, I'd rather wank and have 3 great dinners.

Of course, if you can only pop once within 2 h (however long it takes you), the question is moot, but most mongers are not of this variety, especially with the cheap and effective medication available these days.

[QUOTE=McRib;1931231]Is New Massage a multi-pop shop? I've a few days in BKK at the end of the month and am weighing options. This place is intriguing.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931301]I hate this question. It always arises. [/QUOTE]It is a reasonable and useful question, which is why it is often asked about particular shops. The answer can range from "generally yes" at the PSE shops to "maybe" to "no," at some of the less service oriented shops. There is nothing tricky or complicated about this.

I, however, am unfamiliar with the practices at New Massage, so cannot answer the question.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1931326]You can hate it all you want, but multiple pops are the #1 crucial question when choosing a naughty massage parlor.
.[/QUOTE]So does the answer to the question only depend on shop policy or perhaps depends on the girl as well? I don't know.

The question does not seem to come up so much with gogo girls. So does that mean 1 pop is always assumed no matter how fast it was?

Do guys ever pretend not to have popped in order to get another one?

The pricing at the MPs seems unfair on the girl. I go for one hour and one pop for 1900 baht. The girl get 1500 baht. Some other guy goes for 2 hours and 5 pops for 2300 baht. The girl gets 1500 baht. All right, the customer has the discretion to tip but if you're a new customer the girl has no idea whether you're going to or not. A few places like Miss BJ are more specific in their pricing, charging more for extra pops, and while the customers might grumble it seems a lot fairer.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931400]The pricing at the MPs seems unfair on the girl. I go for one hour and one pop for 1900 baht. The girl get 1500 baht. Some other guy goes for 2 hours and 5 pops for 2300 baht. The girl gets 1500 baht. All right, the customer has the discretion to tip but if you're a new customer the girl has no idea whether you're going to or not. A few places like Miss BJ are more specific in their pricing, charging more for extra pops, and while the customers might grumble it seems a lot fairer.[/QUOTE]You are not correct about the girl take. It depends a lot on the particular shop.

At New massage, the girl take depends a lot on the cost of the booking. But sure on a per time basis for two hours she makes less per hour. It is not fair if guy wants to fuck the entire time regardless of the number of pops.

If the fee is 1900, most shops will not pay the girl 1500. Perhpas you refer to a particular shop. Many shops the girl cut is less. 1400 is not uncommon but she gets charged for basket supplies and other things as well.

Some shops the girl can be getting only 1000 out of an over 2000 price, I. E. Less than half in some shops, e. G. Annies. Sone Oilies the girl cut is low too. Loli-tas was another shop where girl cut was rather low.

There are relatively few shops where a girl gets 1500 out of the all in fee.

I vary my tip fir girl based on her cut if known and based on how hard I made her work and how much time. I try to be very fair. I want girls to be keen on having me as a customer despite fucking for long duration. If not, I would not get the best GFE. I have been refused by girls before, but rarely fortunately, not counting Thermae.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931404]

If the fee is 1900, most shops will not pay the girl 1500. Perhpas you refer to a particular shop. [/QUOTE]We're not talking about Annies or BJ bars here but the oil massage places. In a typical shop like Snow White or Cherry there's a price list for the massage of 400,600 or 800 baht for 60,90 and 120 minutes. You can either pay the money for the massage and give the girl 1500 baht after or you can pay the total up front. Either way I'm fairly sure the 1500 goes straight to the girl.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931416]We're not talking about Annies or BJ bars here but the oil massage places. In a typical shop like Snow White or Cherry there's a price list for the massage of 400,600 or 800 baht for 60,90 and 120 minutes. You can either pay the money for the massage and give the girl 1500 baht after or you can pay the total up front. Either way I'm fairly sure the 1500 goes straight to the girl.[/QUOTE]Yes these shops are unusual. Most Oilies are paying the girl less than 1500. 1400 is common and some even less.

Annies has little difference to some Oilies in my view other than has a fishbowl. However I don't want this to send the topic in a Tangent. I could be biased as I never ask for a real Thai massage.

I have very nice Jacuzzi bath in a VIP room in New Massage and had a Nuru body slide. The girl slid around on me using her ass and pussy and tits quite erotically. Who needs an "official" soapy. Oilies can be same or better. VIP room was good standard too. Perhaps bed a bit on firm side. Cost 200 Baht extra. Soapy fishbowl behind glass is a waste of time if cannot sit outside the fishbowl for long period watching the girls and having a drink.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931438]Yes these shops are unusual. Most Oilies are paying the girl less than 1500. 1400 is common and some even less.

Annies has little difference to some Oilies in my view other than has a fishbowl. However I don't want this to send the topic in a Tangent. I could be biased as I never ask for a real Thai massage.

I have very nice Jacuzzi bath in a VIP room in New Massage and had a Nuru body slide. The girl slid around on me using her ass and pussy and tits quite erotically. Who needs an "official" soapy. Oilies can be same or better. VIP room was good standard too. Perhaps bed a bit on firm side. Cost 200 Baht extra. Soapy fishbowl behind glass is a waste of time if cannot sit outside the fishbowl for long period watching the girls and having a drink.[/QUOTE]All the PSE oily gals get 1500. You can either pay it to them or the total to the shop. Never heard any of them talk about getting less.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1931326]You can hate it all you want, but multiple pops are the #1 crucial question when choosing a naughty massage parlor.

Once upon a time, when a shag cost 1000 baht or so and girls were generally far less eager to leave (if not better in bed), the advice to just be reasonable might have made some sense. These days, an average monger is overwhelmingly likely to get a 20 min session for 2500 baht if they fail to assert their expectations. Unless the girls looks exceptional (almost none do), if there's no option of the 2nd pop, that's remarkably crappy value, I'd rather wank and have 3 great dinners.

Of course, if you can only pop once within 2 h (however long it takes you), the question is moot, but most mongers are not of this variety, especially with the cheap and effective medication available these days.[/QUOTE]Agreed! MSOG is essential in an oily. If not, what's the point of paying all that money for 2 hrs? I'm with you. I'd rather have a wank, a few craft beers, and some food.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931448]All the PSE oily gals get 1500. You can either pay it to them or the total to the shop. Never heard any of them talk about getting less.[/QUOTE]Maybe and almost all other Oilies they get less (from all in price where no option to pay girl separately). Never heard them at other Oilies say get as much as 1500. You don't have to believe. You can ask at other standard Oilies with all in price but I presume you don't use those type of shops.

We could have a separate thread for the special group of PSE Oilies, not just isolating Tulip, and another thread for all the other Oilies, like Addict, Dream Heaven, Orient, Pink, Can Cam, Angels, EZ etc.

So it doesn't make much sense that at the PSE oilies the girl gets 1500 baht regardless of time, number of shots or number of orifices filled. I can only assume that those who do go for a 2 hour Viagra-fuelled binge are tipping generously because there's no shortage of girls in those places so they're clearly happy enough with the pay.

Other places have an extra charge for an extra shot or A+. That seems reasonable to me but presumably the business model of the PSE places is to maximise customer numbers and keep them coming back rather than squeeze as much money as possible out of each visit.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931453]We could have a separate thread for the special group of PSE Oilies, not just isolating Tulip, and another thread for all the other Oilies, like Addict, Dream Heaven, Orient, Pink, Can Cam, Angels, EZ etc.[/QUOTE]Why not make a User Blog thread? My biggest challenge with being an ISG member is that good information gets buried under useless reports, quips, bickering, newbie questions, etc. , making the signal-to-noise ratio a struggle. For example, the current back-and-forth on "how much the girl gets" is really about as useful as a tit on my elbow. I have just started a blog on Cart Bars, which will be restricted largely to factual REPORTS. All sources welcome. As an authoritative figure on Crazy House, you could summarize all the good reports you have made on CH and then we can make builds. In fact, I have some reports to make on CH, so if you care to make a blog, it would be very useful to see the good information organized and built in one spot without buildup of useless topping. More importantly, any less-than-useful reports (e.g. discussion on comparisons of Cowboy to Nana) or troll-like behavior can be deleted as we should be moderators. The general Bangkok Thread is okay, but it is all over the place.

Like what Bkkdog is doing for Sephan Kwai venues. It's great.

Same for the thread on massage places. A blog restricted to factual REPORTS would be a blessing. IMHO this would make ISG a much more informative resource and worth contributing, especially for regular contributors. For consideration. AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931522]
Same for the thread on massage places. A blog restricted to factual REPORTS would be a blessing. IMHO this would make ISG a much more informative resource and worth contributing, especially for regular contributors. For consideration. AR.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by Factual reports exactly. Isn't it all just stories? Do you mean guys should stick to what actually happened to them rather than things they were told (hearsay)? With as little opinion creeping in as possible? E. g. We should not say the girl was cute or ugly? We cannot say the bar was too dark or the music sucked? Perhaps you mean experience reports with some perceptions are better than arguing about some girl or place that someone did not visit or try?

Not sure I get it. I do understand that reports should have information or data that can be used. Sometimes we report information that we have heard. This cannot be interpreted as pure fact, but sometimes the stories are consistent enough, to assume there is a chance they maybe correct.

I must admit I don't like guys casting aspersions on places or girls that they did not personally try out. I really used to hate Nic Frenchy quoting the post made by some dipstick on another forum but not willing to own the opinion, or commenting on character of a girl he never tried from scuttlebutt, rather than his own opinion from his own experience. The later were valuable and funny, so why he did the other is a big mystery.

Most of us don't accept anything as gospel, till we see it for ourselves. Healthy scepticism. However I use reviews to decide what things to maybe try for myself.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931543]Not sure I get it.[/QUOTE]You might want to take a look at my attempt at a starter blog for reports on Cart Bars to understand better. Or check out what Bkkdog is doing for Saphan Kwai. Basically just report like we are reporting now, but just to a single thread which makes it easier to see the information about a specific topic in a specific place. For example, I was trying to look through your threads recently for a particular point on CH, but your reports are buried and dispersed under dozens of other reports, discussions, etc. That made it quite a chore to find. Anyway, give it a try if you like.

By the way, any experiences on cart bars by anyone are welcome. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

Hello,

I did visit this massageshop several times. They are located in Soi 22 Sukhumvit (a 20 min walk from BTS) but they are planning to move to Soi 6 in October.

They have a website. They had 4 ladies which are into BDSM a few weeks ago but not all of them appear on their website. So far I only did go there for BDSM. I did try with all these 4 ladies and for me Soda is my favorite.

They have 2 special, what they call kinky rooms. Before sessions starts you can choose which kind of activities you like at the reception desk. English skills are very good for Thai standards!

You could send them sms in the morning to ask who can booked for a specific time later that day.

There are other ladies too that will just do more ordinary things like BJ or prostate massage.

I never did try these ladies maybe next time I am in BKK.

Greetings,

Frits.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931448]All the PSE oily gals get 1500. You can either pay it to them or the total to the shop. Never heard any of them talk about getting less.[/QUOTE]My long time regular told me the house keeps Bt200 at the PSE oily she's at, so she gets 1300.

She sometimes comes by on her day off, as after work she's too tired to be at her best.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931240]I am talking about every GF I have ever had, not P4 P gals. All my friends at home wives and GFs all CIM without exception.[/QUOTE]Ditto again. Both eventual wives did from the very beginning, including my Thai wife. As did every girl I dated long enough, several months at least, to consider her a "girlfriend" (10 or so over the decades I suppose) plus, with rare exception, the hundreds of one / two-night stands I had in between. And a significant percentage of those GFs and brief encounters were not born and raised USA girls, but girls quite recently from Latin America, China, Japan, U. K. , the Philippines, etc.

I don't cite that as boasting but merely as further support for how common is a CIM finish to a BJ in this world.

The only place where girls I met considered CIM a BIG DEAL has been Thailand. And only about 1/3 of them are so opposed to it. Even more than mere CIM, II think I was in my late 30's before I first witnessed a girl spit out my cum into a tissue instead of swallow it. Yep, that was in Thailand, in a back room of one of those Soi Post Office or wherever bars in Pattaya.

After a short trip to Pattaya, I traveled to Bangkok and spend my first day at Ratchata and the "soapy massage" headquarters. Got off the taxi at Huay Kuang Station and walked towards Nataree Massage. I can confirm it is 100% shut down. My intend was to get to Poseidon, but was walking past Emmanuelle and decided to go in and take a look. I was immediately handed off to mamasan who recommended someone right away, just a few seconds from my entry. Her English was poor, and she just kept repeating a number, something like be-19, saying how good she was. I could barely make out who she was talking to. I asked to sit down and a waitress came and asked if I wanted a drink. I ordered a beer so that I could take a break and get my bearings straight. There were about 20 girls there at 5 PM, which was less than I had anticipated. There were a bit far away, and not behind any glass screen, so I guess this was the "fishbowl" that people refer to. Picking someone from a lineup is always challenging for me, I don't know if its just information overload or what. I stuck with my philosophy of picking someone who makes good eye contact and smiles. Most were just looking at their phones, and some were staring around looking bored. I think it was explained to me as a two-tier price structure of 2000 bahts and 2500 bahts. I eventually chose one of the girls at 2500 bahts who was thin, long black hair pulled back, fake MM boobs, and cute face, probably with some work done there as well, and reminded me a bit of Kim Kardashian, LOL. Paid for the session and my drink up front, and we went upstairs to one of the jacuzzi rooms. Mamasan shared that all sessions are 90 min.

Room was nicely decorated, and it takes a while to get the jacuzzi filled up, so there was some time for chatting, having a drink, and getting to know each other. Soapy massage began in the tub with some soft massages of the arms and legs, and then the torso, followed by cleaning off the private areas with some brief tugging of junior. A sensual and relaxing experience, but nothing over the top. After drying off and heading toward the full sized bed, there was another round of massage of the back, and then the session begins after flipping over. Unfortunately this was a covered BJ, and it lasted for about 2 minutes. She then climbed on top and started grinding away, clearly with intent on getting a quick release from me. This doesn't work on me, so we switch to Mish, and then doggie. I finished back in MISH and finished in the cover after about 10 min. In between the soapy massage and the session, she was constantly checking her phone and texts. She apologized for this, and explained that one of her regulars showed up asking for her, so she had to coordinate the times. All in all, a fun session with a good looking lady, and although I would have preferred more GFE, it was a relaxing experience nonetheless. Being able to communicate helped, as her English was conversational, which is better than the other girls I've met so far.

I then walked around and had dinner at a nearby seafood restaurant called the Deep Fried Crab, which is a top-10 restaurant in BKK and very crowded.

After dinner, I headed to Poseidon, which is still about 5 blocks away from Huay Kwang station. This is a huge 11 floor facility, and upon entering, mamasan showed me the lineup to my immediate right. There were about 20 girls there, some older, some young ones, but almost all with lots of makeup contributing a fake barbie doll look. I asked mamasan if there was another floor, and she said yes, more girls upstairs, but they were higher priced. Downstairs started at 2200 bahts up to 2500 bahts, and upstairs started at 3000 bahts and went up to 5 K or 6 K bahts for the "models". I decided to check out the upstairs selection, and after a couple of minutes, I chose a young lady with long black hair, nice smile, a bit darker complexioned, I think she said her name was "Am" or "Un". Mamasan tells me she is at 3800 bahts for a 90 min session. The first floor girls are 2 hour sessions. Same routine as Emmanuelle, and this girl spoke much less English, although she is playful and fun-loving. The actual session was pretty good, still a covered BBBJ, and she also tries the trick of getting on top and grinding away right after the brief BJ. It makes me wonder whether the quick thrusting of CG makes many guys cum right away?! We went through all the positions, and I ended up finishing with a self HJ and her licking my nipples. Another quick rinse and I was out on my way.

A couple of take away. Soapy massages are a good mix of variety and the session offers a bit more than just the quick bang and go. The actual session is usually not that great, as some of these girls see quite a few clients a day, especially the popular ones. The girl at Emmanuelle told me mamsasan tries to make quick recommendations to even out people's schedules, since some are quite popular and some are not. Both girls I saw appeared to follow a script, and they were somewhat mechanical. They were friendly and nice, so I did tip them before I left. Both facilities were quite good. Spend some time picking the right girl, and don't rush through things. Happy Mongering!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1931873]Ditto again. Both eventual wives did from the very beginning, including my Thai wife. As did every girl I dated long enough, several months at least, to consider her a "girlfriend" (10 or so over the decades I suppose) plus, with rare exception, the hundreds of one / two-night stands I had in between. And a significant percentage of those GFs and brief encounters were not born and raised USA girls, but girls quite recently from Latin America, China, Japan, U. K. , the Philippines, etc.

I don't cite that as boasting but merely as further support for how common is a CIM finish to a BJ in this world.

The only place where girls I met considered CIM a BIG DEAL has been Thailand. And only about 1/3 of them are so opposed to it. Even more than mere CIM, II think I was in my late 30's before I first witnessed a girl spit out my cum into a tissue instead of swallow it. Yep, that was in Thailand, in a back room of one of those Soi Post Office or wherever bars in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]CIM and swallowing is very different. In my experience worldwide, very few would swallow but a reasonable part would do CIM (but must agree upon before). However, I also noticed that more girls reject CIM (think at Nataree! And that's worldwide (fear sexual diseases?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1931873]The only place where girls I met considered CIM a BIG DEAL has been Thailand. And only about 1/3 of them are so opposed to it. Even more than mere CIM, II think I was in my late 30's before I first witnessed a girl spit out my cum into a tissue instead of swallow it. Yep, that was in Thailand, in a back room of one of those Soi Post Office or wherever bars in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Thailand is the only place I have ever had gals pull away at the moment of truth. Gals her are amazingly come-phobic. Most women love to play with it and have it on their skin for awhile. Here they can't wait to get it off of them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931997]Agreed. Thailand is the only place I have ever had gals pull away at the moment of truth. Gals her are amazingly come-phobic. Most women love to play with it and have it on their skin for awhile. Here they can't wait to get it off of them.[/QUOTE]Forgive my lack of experience. I only ever had one western GF / wife (mistake). It never occurred to me to try something nasty like CIM at a young age. I can't even remember anything specific about the wife's BBBJ. Was she any good at it? I can't remember. Probably didn't last that long. Too many years ago. I have been happily divorced for 25 years now. She did not like DATY, which was just as well, since she tasted real bad (unclean).

Many or most of my Asian GFs never suggested that CIM would be allowed, so yes possibly several may have been cum phobic. Some from a pretty conservative background, met overseas. I never particularly thought about having CIM either. It just wasn't my special need.

I don't recall Thai girlfriends having a phobia about cum on body. Surely girls see that as no different to cum in pussy or even easier to clean up. Obviously that is very different to cum on face or in hair. That would be nasty.

I am cum phobic too. I don't want to drink it. It has a sickly aroma, not too different to something like weak Chlorine.

Well known Tulip girl, years ago, did tell me the cum taste varies a lot and that some guys taste moderately acceptable and some taste really horrible, never delicious. Perhaps dependent on diet or smoking, or beer, or curries, or who knows? She was willing to take CIM, but never to swallow. The girls would try to skilfully hide that they spat it out. I recall one ISG writer proudly stating the girl swallowed, when all her regulars knew that she never did. She fooled him and ejected it quietly and quickly when he wasn't looking. Yes some swallow and some don't. I haven't surveyed the percentages. I don't really care. It is just not a given that Thai girls will want to it, even in PSE shops. I don't see the point to it or why some guys find it a thrill, other than conditioning by porno movies. Weird Psychology.

Most monger guys had a crap sex life with the western wife, I would guess. That is what drove them to switch to Thai or Asian girls. If my sex life with Western Girl was great, I probably never would have got started with the Thai girls. Hookers from my home country were also crap. Mostly the Asian hookers there were vastly superior. Hookers from East Europe and South America are also great. Nothing like from the homeland.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932031]Forgive my lack of experience. I only ever had one western GF / wife (mistake). It never occurred to me to try something nasty like CIM at a young age. I can't even remember anything specific about the wife's BBBJ. Was she any good at it? I can't remember. Probably didn't last that long. Too many years ago. I have been happily divorced for 25 years now. She did not like DATY, which was just as well, since she tasted real bad (unclean).

Many or most of my Asian GFs never suggested that CIM would be allowed, so yes possibly several may have been cum phobic. Some from a pretty conservative background, met overseas. I never particularly thought about having CIM either. It just wasn't my special need.

I don't recall Thai girlfriends having a phobia about cum on body. Surely girls see that as no different to cum in pussy or even easier to clean up. Obviously that is very different to cum on face or in hair. That would be nasty.

I am cum phobic too. I don't want to drink it. It has a sickly aroma, not too different to something like weak Chlorine.

Well known Tulip girl, years ago, did tell me the cum taste varies a lot and that some guys taste moderately acceptable and some taste really horrible, never delicious. Perhaps dependent on diet or smoking, or beer, or curries, or who knows? She was willing to take CIM, but never to swallow. The girls would try to skilfully hide that they spat it out. I recall one ISG writer proudly stating the girl swallowed, when all her regulars knew that she never did. She fooled him and ejected it quietly and quickly when he wasn't looking. Yes some swallow and some don't. I haven't surveyed the percentages. I don't really care. It is just not a given that Thai girls will want to it, even in PSE shops. I don't see the point to it or why some guys find it a thrill, other than conditioning by porno movies. Weird Psychology.

Most monger guys had a crap sex life with the western wife, I would guess. That is what drove them to switch to Thai or Asian girls. If my sex life with Western Girl was great, I probably never would have got started with the Thai girls. Hookers from my home country were also crap. Mostly the Asian hookers there were vastly superior. Hookers from East Europe and South America are also great. Nothing like from the homeland.[/QUOTE]Nasty? Do you consider the fluid that flows from a gal's vagina to be "nasty" as well? I would imagine not, and I would imagine that you like the taste of it and the feel of it on your tongue. Same holds true for almost all gals in regards to semen (except Thais) that I have encountered. My US gals all loved to have it on their bodies, in their mouths, to play with it, etc. I had a great sex life with all my Western partners. In fact, I would rate almost all of them as far better and more skilled lovers than 99% of the gals I have had in Thailand. They also understood the psychology of sex and seduction to a far greater degree than Thai gals. Viets, Indos, and Koreans all seem to "get it" far better than Thais. So why did I come over here. Availability, quantity, price, and the simple fact that Thai gals are really pretty pleasant if you want to live with a gal. Far easier to get along with than Western women. It was not because they were great in bed, which honestly, most are not.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932031]Cum is not biologically designed to be a food or beverage.[/QUOTE]For that matter, neither are sweat, her saliva and pussy juice. However, I assume you don't keep a spittoon on hand and place next to you when you engage in Cat Bath, DFK or DATY, right?

Some random thoughts about getting BJ+CIM and Swallowing for men who want it from their women;.

I suppose a man could wait politely like a wallflower until he finally meets a girl who "wants to" give a proper BJ with CIM and / or swallowing or one who "suggests it". It does happen. But rarely probably. I assure you that isn't how I racked up and continue to enjoy the many BJ+CIM / Swallowing that I enjoy. Part of the reason some women decide they will engage in BJ+CIM / Swallow is because they are finding themselves with a man who has the balls to ASK them for it and EXPECTS them to do it. Never underestimate the sexual turn on of that for women.

The majority of times, you need to TELL the girl how sexy it is / would be if she did that for you. Then ASK her to do it for you. Sometimes, that is all she will need to give it a try, not wanting to initiate it for fear of being thought too experienced, horny or slutty. It is a bit like shaved pussies in that regard. Many women don't want to show up on day one with a shaved pussy because she thinks YOU will think she is some kind of pervert. But tell her you like it that way, ask her to shave for you and, more often than not, you will never see a follicle down there again and she is relieved that you asked her to do it. You are now her "excuse" for doing it. Sure, you will meet women who will not do either no matter how often you mention it. Luckily, there are many fish in the sea of life and it is easy to move on to the next one.

You guys who love to DATY, you know that titillating, pleasurable feeling of power and control it gives you to bring your girl to a shattering orgasm through the artistry of your lips, tongue, perhaps fingers as well? The feeling of her body tensing up, the vaginal muscles tightening, the juices flowing a bit more and often even a strange new taste of it at such a moment or through her multiple orgasms? Well, guess what. Many, many, many women discover they enjoy exactly that same feeling when their man has ASKED them to finish a BJ like an adult women with CIM / Swallowing for perhaps the first time in their lives and not to panic and run across the room like a frightened child hiding behind an umbrella. They become as addicted to it as many of US become addicted to DATY to orgasm.

Case in point is occurring RIGHT NOW in my life. There is a very cute 22 year old Thai girl I met on one of the dating sites. While chatting on Line I told her how sexy I thought it was when a girl I like gives me a BJ+CIM+Swallow. She was horrified! Never tried it, never wanted to try it, never thought she would do it. Long story short she gave it the old college try on our second date. It was a clumsy and botched ending the first time she tried it. The second time she was good enough to compare with some of the lesser but decent jobs I'd gotten at Som's Haven, Kasalong and Lollita's, I kid you not. By her third try she has now become one of the best BJ-ers I have ever had, swallows like a champ, never spills a drop. AND, this is the moral of the story, she can't stop talking about it on Line with me now. Is constantly talking about how she misses "eating, swallowing my water" (talking about cum here, folks), can't wait to see me again to do it. She is not the only cute young Thai girl that has reacted that way over the past year either.

Stories like that will be familiar to many if not most guys reading it, I am sure. For many girls, after they discover the tremendous feeling of power, control and "giving" that comes with feeling their man's cock shoot warm jets of cum into their mouth and swallowing, knowing that SHE made that happen proactively, not by just laying there with her legs spread open, it can become as addictive to them as DATY to orgasm is for many of us. Maybe even more so.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932080]Nasty? Do you consider the fluid that flows from a gal's vagina to be "nasty" as well? I would imagine not, and I would imagine that you like the taste of it and the feel of it on your tongue. Same holds true for almost all gals in regards to semen (except Thais) that I have encountered. My US gals all loved to have it on their bodies, in their mouths, to play with it, etc. I had a great sex life with all my Western partners. In fact, I would rate almost all of them as far better and more skilled lovers than 99% of the gals I have had in Thailand. They also understood the psychology of sex and seduction to a far greater degree than Thai gals. Viets, Indos, and Koreans all seem to "get it" far better than Thais. So why did I come over here. Availability, quantity, price, and the simple fact that Thai gals are really pretty pleasant if you want to live with a gal. Far easier to get along with than Western women. It was not because they were great in bed, which honestly, most are not.[/QUOTE]LOL. Goatscrot, we were obviously composing more-or-less the same message at the same time. And I am sure we are far more the rule than the exception in and outside this message board on that point.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932080]Nasty? Do you consider the fluid that flows from a gal's vagina to be "nasty" as well? I would imagine not, and I would imagine that you like the taste of it and the feel of it on your tongue. Same holds true for almost all gals in regards to semen (except Thais) that I have encountered. My US gals all loved to have it on their bodies, in their mouths, to play with it, etc. I had a great sex life with all my Western partners. In fact, I would rate almost all of them as far better and more skilled lovers than 99% of the gals I have had in Thailand. They also understood the psychology of sex and seduction to a far greater degree than Thai gals. Viets, Indos, and Koreans all seem to "get it" far better than Thais. So why did I come over here. Availability, quantity, price, and the simple fact that Thai gals are really pretty pleasant if you want to live with a gal. Far easier to get along with than Western women. It was not because they were great in bed, which honestly, most are not.[/QUOTE]We are talking male cum here.

It's not at all the same thing. Analogies prove nothing. The Tulip girl told me the taste can be average to bad. Are you contradicting that and claiming its real yummy from your own experience of trying it? Or all girls tell you its yummy? I don't know. I just dislike the smell of it. My nose is quite sensitive. I often have serious problems of feeling nauseous when bad underarm odours are nearby, e. G. In BTS or 7 Eleven.

Normal pussy secretion has very little taste if girl is very clean and has no medical problems. Then the pussy has no odour. My ex wife wasn't, so I did not like to go down on her. Yes it tasted bad and it had bad odour.

Anyway, It is not for me to decide if girls like getting cum in their mouths or like swallowing it. It is for them to decide what they like. In German FKKs you have to pay 50 Euros extra for the girl to do CIM (no swallow). That suggests they don't see it as a very normal desirable thing to do as part of the sex service. I suspect therefore that girls do it, when it is expected of them, because they want to give good service, not because they really enjoy it. Meanwhile there is no official charge for kissing so presumably kissing is seen as less to put up with. Anal charge is 100 Euros extra. So that suggests CIM is seen as only half as difficult to tolerate as anal. Wild speculation.

You can claim girls should like it all you like, but its pointless. They will decide what they like. Not every Thai girlfriend is taking CIM, whether they ought to or not. Many of them simply are not forced to do it. They have choice. Why do so many girls spit it out? The answer is real obvious. They don't like it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932100]Not every Thai girlfriend is taking CIM, whether they ought to or not. Many of them simply are not forced to do it. They have choice. Why do so many girls spit it out? The answer is real obvious. They don't like it.[/QUOTE]Exactly my point. Most Thai gals are come-phobic. Never had this problem in the US or really in other Asian countries. Mr Tooms and I agree on this.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932100]We are talking male cum here.

It's not at all the same thing. Analogies prove nothing. The Tulip girl told me the taste can be average to bad. Are you contradicting that and claiming its real yummy from your own experience of trying it? Or all girls tell you its yummy? I don't know. I just dislike the smell of it. My nose is quite sensitive. I often have serious problems of feeling nauseous when bad underarm odours are nearby, e. G. In BTS or 7 Eleven.

Normal pussy secretion has very little taste if girl is very clean and has no medical problems. Then the pussy has no odour. My ex wife wasn't, so I did not like to go down on her. Yes it tasted bad and it had bad odour.

Anyway, It is not for me to decide if girls like getting cum in their mouths or like swallowing it. It is for them to decide what they like. In German FKKs you have to pay 50 Euros extra for the girl to do CIM (no swallow). That suggests they don't see it as a very normal desirable thing to do as part of the sex service. I suspect therefore that girls do it, when it is expected of them, because they want to give good service, not because they really enjoy it. Meanwhile there is no official charge for kissing so presumably kissing is seen as less to put up with. Anal charge is 100 Euros extra. So that suggests CIM is seen as only half as difficult to tolerate as anal. Wild speculation.

You can claim girls should like it all you like, but its pointless. They will decide what they like. Not every Thai girlfriend is taking CIM, whether they ought to or not. Many of them simply are not forced to do it. They have choice. Why do so many girls spit it out? The answer is real obvious. They don't like it.[/QUOTE]In most venues like MPs and BJ Bars, the girls charge 50% or more for FS than for BJs, which will generally finish with CIM (1500 baht for FS vs 700-1000 for BJ). Does that mean girls hate fucking 50%-100% more than they hate giving BJs? Why do you put those poor girls through something they hate 50%-100% more than what we've been talking about here? Please be nicer to them. Start asking for BJ+CIMs instead of FS. LOL.

There is a lot less taste and smell involved when the girl CIM and Swallows. How could holding male cum in your mouth longer and pushing it out onto a tissue, passing through your lips and over your tongue onto that tissue allow for "less" tasting and smelling (by either of you) than swallowing it down like an oyster?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932136]Exactly my point. Most Thai gals are come-phobic. Never had this problem in the US or really in other Asian countries. Mr Tooms and I agree on this.[/QUOTE]I'm convinced that the only reason many Thai girls are so shy, reluctant and inept about CIM / Swallowing is because so few if any of the men they've known have ever asked for it and expected it of them. The 22 year old girl I mentioned in a previous post on this subject just can't get over how less scary and more fun it is to do CIM and Swallow for me than she thought it would be. I eat pussy and I don't spit out the jiggers of fluid that wind up sliding down my throat by the time it's over. And the girls seem to be quite ok with that. It is not unreasonable, gross, or cruel to them for me to ask the same of my girlfriend or any other girl who professes a keen interest in me. And they know it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932149]In most venues like MPs and BJ Bars, the girls charge 50% or more for FS than for BJs, which will generally finish with CIM (1500 baht for FS vs 700-1000 for BJ). Does that mean girls hate fucking 50%-100% more than they hate giving BJs? Why do you put those poor girls through something they hate 50%-100% more than what we've been talking about here? Please be nicer to them. Start asking for BJ+CIMs instead of FS. LOL.
[/QUOTE]Yes it does surprise me that they like to do BJ with CIM for so much less money, and the girl cut of the "all in" BJ price is pretty bad. I guess its less wear and tear on the poor old pussy. Some girls are not cut out to work in the bar and get customers. Not pretty enough. Some have to take any way they can, to get some money. The BJ duration is much shorter right? Probably don't get more than 30 mins I guess. Maybe a girl that is busy can make more money with a succession of quick BJs than by doing the VIP for 2 hours. I don't know.

Yes sure they don't like it that much. Its not going to get them excited. It's just a way to make money.

Yes I am asshole who wants to take them for full sex. Anne at Lolly Tas knocked me back on full sex sometime, because she had been fucked too much already and knows I am not quick. Her choice if she wants to take me or not. That is the key point. Some like to do BJ some don't. Some like to fuck sometimes, some do not.

In Dr. BJ the girl said, normally yes she liked fucking with me big time, but today was her period, so she did not want to fuck, some pain. Eventually we compromised on taking her ass instead of her pussy for a small financial bonus. She was fine with giving me the body slide, no DATY today due to her period, but we found plenty of other things to do. We got on fantastically well so I became a regular customer. She probably gave me CIM sometimes, but I did not need it that often. She liked some variety but did not want to work her pussy too many times per day. Once I did give her DATY with her period after she stuffed something up there and sometime she fucked with her period if there no pain, and wasn't the main bleed time. Too all indications she liked having sex often enough but just not umpteen times per day, and worked mainly BJ to avoid that. Yes she must have been OK with CIM but I guess probably no swallow.

I always try hard to make sure the girl got a fair payment in the end for whatever effort she gave me. The harder and longer she had to work, the more I tip. Most Thai girls are happy with me that way, and they really only knock me back if they are scared of the damage or pain, usually because they have a pre-existing problem or in some cases are just scared of dick. As well as cum phobias there are also dick phobias, whether due to size or duration of the fuck. I just accept that some girls will be crap for me due to dick phobias, where as other guys are more concerned with cum phobias or ass-fuck phobias.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932154]I'm convinced that the only reason many Thai girls are so shy, reluctant and inept about CIM / Swallowing is because so few if any of the men they've known have ever asked for it and expected it of them.[/QUOTE]Maybe, just maybe, CIM and swallowing are not that high on the list of desirables of most men?

Crazy House was hopping when I arrived at 8. 30 pm this evening. But after 20 min turned into a mini-burqa go-go as the girls donned black smocks. Mama-san reported that Army was on its way for a visit. Quite a bit of the punters cleared out for other venues, which left plenty of talent. Have been doing quite a bit of survey on this venue for the past week, so will prepare a detailed report of my observations with lots of tag details. One thing I can say now. The treatment by all staff (girls, waitresses, mama-sans) varies dramatically if you spend a bit of money and especially if you barfine a girl. When I came back the night after I had my first barfine, my waitress found me a spot to sit. Mama-san said hello. And a couple girls that sat with me said "oh, I see you here last night", so I felt that even though we think they are staring into space, they are keeping watch. Yes I bought the waitress one coke drink. Yes I had tipped the mama-san 100 b when I did my barfine. Yes I had bought a few tequila shots for my girls. There are a LOT of punters, if we can call them that, Asian and farang alike who simply order a beer or water and nurse it for the next 2 hours, not doing much but looking up at the vertical smiles bobbing on stage. I simply couldn't see the point of that. Will likely start a new "Soi Cowboy Bars" reports thread so content does not get drowned under the sticky icky smelly gooey dripping CIM splooge thread this has become. If you think Thailand is a tough place to get CIM, try Philippines, where 9. 9 out of 10 girls will demand you to blow your load in DEEP their pussy choux cream style before they take it in mouth or face. Huhuhu. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1932211]Maybe, just maybe, CIM and swallowing are not that high on the list of desirables of most men?[/QUOTE]Whiel I am very keen for CIM, I would never ask a girl to swallow because this implies much much more than simply taking your cum up. It is not on ly a matter of taste and / or consistency, it is a psychological task. This is a world between both processes.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1932211]Maybe, just maybe, CIM and swallowing are not that high on the list of desirables of most men?[/QUOTE]For most Thai men, I would agree with you. In fact, for most Thai men getting a BJ of any kind is probably not that high on their list. That was my point too. I would say the same for DFK. Oh, and most definitely DATY is not that high on most Thai men's list of desirables.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932154]I'm convinced that the only reason many Thai girls are so shy, reluctant and inept about CIM / Swallowing is because so few if any of the men they've known have ever asked for it and expected it of them. The 22 year old girl I mentioned in a previous post on this subject just can't get over how less scary and more fun it is to do CIM and Swallow for me than she thought it would be. I eat pussy and I don't spit out the jiggers of fluid that wind up sliding down my throat by the time it's over. And the girls seem to be quite ok with that. It is not unreasonable, gross, or cruel to them for me to ask the same of my girlfriend or any other girl who professes a keen interest in me. And they know it.[/QUOTE]Thai working girls don't like swallowing. If they did they would swallow instead of spitting it out which they do almost all of the time. I'm guessing here but I feel it's more of a health issue than anything else. As regards CIM yes some girls will accommodate mostly to please a boyfriend or customer but in my experience this is more the exception than the rule.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1932365]Thai working girls don't like swallowing. If they did they would swallow instead of spitting it out which they do almost all of the time. I'm guessing here but I feel it's more of a health issue than anything else. As regards CIM yes some girls will accommodate mostly to please a boyfriend or customer but in my experience this is more the exception than the rule.[/QUOTE]Good point. They could be scared of STDs, or HIV, or even Hepatitus, in addition to just feeling its a loathsome sticky goo that could get stuck in the gullet. I am sure many will swallow if pay them enough money. They may throw up later however.

One girl mentioned a customer wanted the girl to pi ss on him. She felt he was rather warped of course. However she preferred that over swallow cum.

Here is a web site about semen and wether nice to drink:
[url]http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/article/swallowing-your-partners-ejaculate[/url]

Myths exist both about the dangers and the benefits. Both get overly exaggerated. Like what if girls gums were bleeding. What is risk of HIV? Swallowing makes little difference to the risk of HIV (which is very low anyway).

I have noted particularly freelancers are so worried about CIM that they try to get away with CBJ.

[QUOTE=Admin;746187]Bangkok Massage Parlors[/QUOTE]Anyone tried Hana soi 22 recently, is Rin still working there? I am going to BKK 19th to 22nd this month and will stay at westin grande, I would like to book Rin for outcall if she is still working in Hana, anyone got her mobile phone number? Which I can whatsapp, wechat to her before I depart. Thanks a lot!

I have tried her 2-3 years ago, her HJ skills drove me crazy.

I've been there last night. What a nightmare. They advertise themselves like special places where you can find kinky girls who know how to do special fetish massages, charging ridicolous prices. It's all bullshit. If you are looking for some fetish / kinky stuff, forget it. They don't even know what the word "pantyhose" is about. They are both located in the same little alley in Soi 22, opposite the Parrot coffe shop. I tried Exotic massage first, ugly girls, not like you see on their website, it took me 5 minutes to realize they don't know nothing about kinky, so I just go to the next door, Analisa massage. This place was even worst. I talked to a kind of old mamasan who showed me a menu with prices, etc. Etc. The cheapest massage was 1. 500 baht, hand job and prostate massage. I told her I was not interest in prostate so she wanted me to do a kinky massage (2,750 baht) wich I still don't understand what was it about. I asked her if I could have a massage by a girl dressed with sexy skirt, high heels, pantyhose (like it's advertised on their website). And she didn't fuckin understand it. I made deal for 1. 300, she gave me a girl, nothing special but not ugly, we went upstairs and I asked the girl if she would change her dress, (she wore a dirty jeans with a black t. Shirt like a farmer girl), and she said "no no, I cannot take my clothes off. ". So 1,300 for a simple oil massage with a happy ending with clothes on? Hell no! I went back to the mamasan, took my money back and said goodbye. What a disappointment. How can these people charge 1. 300 baht up for a normal hand job massage, pretending to be special. It's anything but kinky / nasty / fetish / special by well trained girls. I strongly don't recommend both Analisa and Exotic massage.

Does anybody know why SW website has been down for so long? Do they plan to restore it?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1933124]What makes me laugh so hard about this post is this guy actually believes we will do this for him. LOL. Mr. One Post.

I found another senior member's take on posts like this. He is more tactful than me so I thought i would include it for refrence.[/QUOTE]You could have said yes if you could help or nothing if you couldn't. Instead you just act as usual. Oh and anyone who refers to themselves in the third person has some serious self-esteem issues.

TL; DR: the dog is a pussy.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933087]I told her I was not interest in prostate so she wanted me to do a kinky massage (2,750 baht) wich I still don't understand what was it about. I asked her if I could have a massage by a girl dressed with sexy skirt, high heels, pantyhose (like it's advertised on their website). And she didn't fuckin understand it. I made deal for 1. 300, she gave me a girl, nothing special but not ugly, we went upstairs and I asked the girl if she would change her dress, (she wore a dirty jeans with a black t. Shirt like a farmer girl), and she said "no no, I cannot take my clothes off. ". So 1,300 for a simple oil massage with a happy ending with clothes on? Hell no! I went back to the mamasan, took my money back and said goodbye. What a disappointment. How can these people charge 1. 300 baht up for a normal hand job massage, pretending to be special. It's anything but kinky / nasty / fetish / special by well trained girls. I strongly don't recommend both Analisa and Exotic massage.[/QUOTE]You want half price. You get what you pay for. It's a bit like the guy who goes into a restaurant and orders a plate of plain steamed rice and a glass of water. When the rice is served, he asks can he have some satay peanut sauce to give it flavour (for no extra charge). Does the restaurant want this customer?

Simply you were in the wrong place for plain massage even with happy ending. You would be wasting the girl's time. She wants to make more money per session. Its a sex shop.

Nude girls sort of equals sex. Freelancers will get nude very cheaply. Someone can probably advise the right place to go to for very cheap nude rub and tug. That is not in my experience.

[QUOTE=JamesRider;1933279]You could have said yes if you could help or nothing if you couldn't. Instead you just act as usual. Oh and anyone who refers to themselves in the third person has some serious self-esteem issues.

TL; DR: the dog is a pussy.[/QUOTE]Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this. One has to ask what sort of fool would post something like post 14013. Someone else had already pointed out the problem with the initial request, but Dog, the self-appointed moderator of this forum, for some sociopathic reason felt compelled to make the same point albeit in a much ruder way. We should all be glad we are not him.

I had a good 3-hole session with Amy at Snow White today. She's not the type I usually go for, mostly because she's not exactly young. She doesn't have a baby though so her body is still good, nice shaven pussy and she's very service-oriented. She really wanted me to come 3 times in an hour but I could only manage the one (as always). And she begged me to come in her mouth but I shot all over her tits and stomach. Was I cruel?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1933361]You want half price. You get what you pay for. It's a bit like the guy who goes into a restaurant and orders a plate of plain steamed rice and a glass of water. When the rice is served, he asks can he have some satay peanut sauce to give it flavour (for no extra charge). Does the restaurant want this customer?

Simply you were in the wrong place for plain massage even with happy ending. You would be wasting the girl's time. She wants to make more money per session. Its a sex shop.

Nude girls sort of equals sex. Freelancers will get nude very cheaply. Someone can probably advise the right place to go to for very cheap nude rub and tug. That is not in my experience.[/QUOTE]You don't understand. I was suppose to pay double the price if I could get what they advertise on the web.

They advertise special massage by girls dressed in sexy clothes, (stocking, pantyhose, high heels, etc.), but what I saw was anything but lazy girls eating on the sofa with 0 attitude.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933514]You don't understand. I was suppose to pay double the price if I could get what they advertise on the web.

They advertise special massage by girls dressed in sexy clothes, (stocking, pantyhose, high heels, etc.), but what I saw was anything but lazy girls eating on the sofa with 0 attitude.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the warning but I don't see anywhere on the website that they advertise 'special massage by girls dressed in sexy clothes' for 1300 baht. They're very clear that they specialise in prostate massage and kinky massage. And you didn't want either. It seems to be the kind of place where guys go to get sodomised by a dominatrix with a strap-on, so why were you there?

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[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933087]What a disappointment. How can these people charge 1. 300 baht up for a normal hand job massage, pretending to be special. It's anything but kinky / nasty / fetish / special by well trained girls. I strongly don't recommend both Analisa and Exotic massage.[/QUOTE]It has been said before and your experience proves it once more: Thailand is the best place to get easy, standard, straight-up-and-down in-and-out sex for good prices. The most kinky sex you generally can find is arguably an A+ threesome session at Eden Club. Anything more kinky than that is rare (and I assume, very pricey).

[QUOTE=JamesRider;1933279]Oh and anyone who refers to themselves in the third person has some serious self-esteem issues.[/QUOTE]Julius Caesar wrote his "De Bello Gallico" in the third person. I doubt he had serious self-esteem issues.

Please, such amateur psychology analysis is unbecoming a poster here.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1933361]You want half price. You get what you pay for. It's a bit like the guy who goes into a restaurant and orders a plate of plain steamed rice and a glass of water. When the rice is served, he asks can he have some satay peanut sauce to give it flavour (for no extra charge). Does the restaurant want this customer?[/QUOTE]LOL. I think that is known as an "analogy", is it not, Syzy? And, hey, look! A restaurant analogy at that!

😁

[QUOTE=*****man;1933527]Thanks for the warning but I don't see anywhere on the website that they advertise 'special massage by girls dressed in sexy clothes' for 1300 baht. They're very clear that they specialise in prostate massage and kinky massage. And you didn't want either. It seems to be the kind of place where guys go to get sodomised by a dominatrix with a strap-on, so why were you there?[/QUOTE]Hello,

There are some girls that will give you the massage with some extras but I never tried those.

BUT if you want to get sodomized but want to choose which extra naughty bits you want this is the place to go. They will give you a numbered list (you can find info about that on their website too) and you just choose the things you like write them down and you will be guided into what they call a kinky room. You will wait there for your mistress to arrive.

It is not something I want to experience every day but twice a week is not bad.

There is a lady on craigslist who offers some specialties too and she will host in her own apartment.

These services are not cheap because it is hard to find them.

Greetings,

Frits

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1933637]LOL. I think that is known as an "analogy", is it not, Syzy? And, hey, look! A restaurant analogy at that!

😁[/QUOTE]Yes it doesn't prove anything just shows how I feel about it.

[QUOTE=*****man;1933506]I had a good 3-hole session with Amy at Snow White today. She's not the type I usually go for, mostly because she's not exactly young. She doesn't have a baby though so her body is still good, nice shaven pussy and she's very service-oriented. She really wanted me to come 3 times in an hour but I could only manage the one (as always). And she begged me to come in her mouth but I shot all over her tits and stomach. Was I cruel?[/QUOTE]I have never been with Amy. How old is she?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1933723]I have never been with Amy. How old is she?[/QUOTE]Difficult to say as her body looks younger than her face. Talking of Snow White, I was asking Ninja to recommend girls who are young with no babies and there are a few who haven't been mentioned on this forum. I think there must be a Japanese mongers' forum where they are recommended and as a result get fully booked early in the day. I've never even seen Icey although she has been mentioned on this forum. Their photos look nice so I'm going to have to book them in advance.

[QUOTE=*****man;1933527]Thanks for the warning but I don't see anywhere on the website that they advertise 'special massage by girls dressed in sexy clothes' for 1300 baht. They're very clear that they specialise in prostate massage and kinky massage. And you didn't want either. It seems to be the kind of place where guys go to get sodomised by a dominatrix with a strap-on, so why were you there?[/QUOTE]No it's not like that. They offer also massages performed by girls wearing sexy clothes which is something I'd like to and it has nothing to do with being sodomized by a dominatrix.
I think having a massage by a girl wearing stocking and high heels is a bit different than having a massage by a girl wearing jeans and shirt refusing to take her clothes off.

[QUOTE=*****man;1933752]Difficult to say as her body looks younger than her face. Talking of Snow White, I was asking Ninja to recommend girls who are young with no babies and there are a few who haven't been mentioned on this forum. I think there must be a Japanese mongers' forum where they are recommended and as a result get fully booked early in the day. I've never even seen Icey although she has been mentioned on this forum. Their photos look nice so I'm going to have to book them in advance.[/QUOTE]Icey is a nice name variation which makes it pronounable for Thais, like Eye-see. I known a girl whose Thai nickname is Ice, however Thais pronounce it like Ite (rhymes with Kite). At one MP, they overcame the name confusion by calling the girl I-Cee-E (sounds like Eye-See-EE).

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933777]I think having a massage by a girl wearing stocking and high heels is a bit different than having a massage by a girl wearing jeans and shirt refusing to take her clothes off.[/QUOTE]I think stockings look entirely ridiculous on a Thai girl.

But to each his own pleasure of course!

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933777]No it's not like that. They offer also massages performed by girls wearing sexy clothes wich is something I'd like to and it has nothing to do with being sodomized by a dominatrix.
I think having a massage by a girl wearing stocking and high heels is a bit different than having a massage by a girl wearing jeans and shirt refusing to take her clothes off.[/QUOTE]I have to mostly agree with Marco. I have been there a fair number of times. It can be very busy sometimes, which is why I think the guys there are going for the prostate services (niche market). Every girl there offers it to me but I decline. I tried to order from their more "kinky" menu before, just simple tease and denial. It's like they either don't understand their own menu, or they didn't have girls who understood how to provide the service so they feigned ignorance and just told me to get the standard handjob / BJ / prostate service they try to sell to every guy who walks in.

I have tried a few providers there: Sara, Lidia and Meena. Meena is early 30's, and kind of fat. She actually wore lingerie and put me in a decent room with a massage table and good lights / clean. The other 2 provided services in a really shoddy, poorly built room where you can hear everything outside. Also Sara and Lidia were just really really bad service wise. The whole point of that place is to get some decent hand job skills. They were just hopelessly unskilled and practically not even trained at all. The place sucks overall. Maybe they have a few providers among the rubbish you are bound to find by just walking in sight unseen.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1933800]I think stockings look entirely ridiculous on a Thai girl.

But to each his own pleasure of course![/QUOTE]Really? Good to know we have different taste.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933960]Really? Good to know we have different taste.[/QUOTE]That gal looks awesome in a garter and stockings. Wish more would take to time to dress for the party.

Now, with all respect, from which girl you would like to have a massage? Number 1 or number 2 ?

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933991]Now, with all respect, from which girl you would like to have a massage? Number 1 or number 2 ?[/QUOTE]For a massage I'd probably choose girl no. 1.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933991]Now, with all respect, from which girl you would like to have a massage? Number 1 or number 2 ?[/QUOTE]Sure I would take number 2. However suppose the two girls switched outfits. Is that going to change my mind and make me take number 1. Of course not. I would still take number two. She is clearly vastly better looking for me regardless of how badly she might dress.

No need to ask such no brainer questions. The presence or absence of the stockings makes no difference. The legs do make a difference. I like slim legs.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1933800]I think stockings look entirely ridiculous on a Thai girl.

But to each his own pleasure of course![/QUOTE]Really? Why? I do find stockings on Thai girls and other Asian girls very erotic. But the girl has to have some style and sex appeal to look good in stockings. Many Isaan bar girls lack this attribute.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;1934380]Really? Why? I do find stockings on Thai girls and other Asian girls very erotic. But the girl has to have some style and sex appeal to look good in stockings. Many Isaan bar girls lack this attribute.[/QUOTE]Agreed Arn. You are spot on all counts there.

Hello friends,

Dr. BJ's nuru and saloon still operating?

[QUOTE=*****man;1933752]I've never even seen Icey although she has been mentioned on this forum. Their photos look nice so I'm going to have to book them in advance.[/QUOTE]Turns out Icey no longer works at Snow White. I saw a dark-skinned cutey but she has a baby, only a little bit visible according to the mamasan but I didn't want to take a chance. Couple more 'no baby' girls not really to my taste.

[QUOTE=ScottWalker;1934741]Hello friends,

Dr. BJ's nuru and saloon still operating?[/QUOTE]Yes still the same. Changed name to Wood or woody's, same location, same girls.

Wanted to meet "New" in EZ2. She was not there. Only 4 girls. All ugly. Looked in some others Soi 24/1. One girl in Can Cam looked okay Except for nose too big (enhanced). No one of interest found. So had a look in Snow White. First look for while. Probably close to 15 girls available. Severe lack of slim girls. Emmy (I think the name is) was only reasonably slim girl of reasonable looks and only one I recognised. I have taken her before but her nose job still puts me off a little.

Decided to look for Fern in Mango. She was not there too. The other Mango girls were not to her looks standard. Decided to go find J. J. in Addict, due to her fabulous BBBJ and 69. I had to wait 10 minutes for J. J. No big deal. When she arrived, it wasn't J. J. At least not the one I knew. However J. J. Was moderately cute in a country girl sort of way. Curvy and not quite slim, all natural. Came from Kanchanaburi (near to Myanmar). I decided to try her. She had a special orange and purple uniform different to other girls, must be the Rookie uniform.

She had zero English, only schooling to 5th grade. When she took clothes off, I got a shock. She had a bit more tummy than I expected however tits were small and very saggy. I was wishing I just went to New Massage for my regular girl with great body. Had to try to make the best of it. The Nuru gel seemed to be not real Nuru gel. Too sticky. Massage part was boring. 69 was quite good and she seemed to be very responsive. Turned out to be a really good enthusiastic fuck too in various positions, so all was not lost. Has a baby for sure. Would I repeat? Probably not since my New Massage girl has a way better body and is also a good fuck.

I think she will struggle in this shop due to only being able to speak Thai, and due to small tits, and probably not a look that Japanese go for.

I realised I have being taking so many girls naked or very nearly naked, that if I see a girl with clothes on, I won't really be able to asses her body properly and especially the tits. All I could determine initially was the tits did not look fake. I had no clue they were so small.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933991]Now, with all respect, from which girl you would like to have a massage? Number 1 or number 2 ?[/QUOTE]First I would like to fuck number 2. After that take a neck and shoulder massage from number 1, drink a cold beer and go home.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934957]Decided to go find J. J. in Addict, due to her fabulous BBBJ and 69. I had to wait 10 minutes for J. J. No big deal. When she arrived, it wasn't J. J. At least not the one I knew. However J. J. Was moderately cute in a country girl sort of way. Curvy and not quite slim, all natural. Came from Kanchanaburi (near to Myanmar). I decided to try her. She had a special orange and purple uniform different to other girls, must be the Rookie uniform.

She had zero English, only schooling to 5th grade. When she took clothes off, I got a shock. She had a bit more tummy than I expected however tits were small and very saggy. I was wishing I just went to New Massage for my regular girl with great body. Had to try to make the best of it. The Nuru gel seemed to be not real Nuru gel. Too sticky. Massage part was boring. 69 was quite good and she seemed to be very responsive. Turned out to be a really good enthusiastic fuck too in various positions, so all was not lost. Has a baby for sure.

I realised I have being taking so many girls naked or very nearly naked, that if I see a girl with clothes on, I won't really be able to asses her body properly and especially the tits. All I could determine initially was the tits did not look fake. I had no clue they were so small.[/QUOTE]I suspect the orange+purple uniform is cross-pollination of staff from Amethyst sister shop.

Given your local communications skill, why not consider to ask if the girls have a baby or not? This is the first question I ask in plain English when I get into the shops and the only question that I feel the mama-san should be able to answer reliably. I have had cases where mama-san just asks the girls. I agree that the concealing uniforms do not help, so just need to separate the pack like guys who want other specific traits / skills. Baby damage is sexual kryptonite for my libido, so if I can get past that I am generally okay as I can deal with tattoos, smaller tits enhanced by padded bra, etc. That might also have been hidden. Everything else (face, height, weight) can be seen, so that is just one's subjective preferences to choose. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1935106]Given your local communications skill, why not consider to ask if the girls have a baby or not? This is the first question I ask in plain English when I get into the shops and the only question that I feel the mama-san should be able to answer reliably. I have had cases where mama-san just asks the girls. I agree that the concealing uniforms do not help, so just need to separate the pack like guys who want other specific traits / skills. Baby damage is sexual kryptonite for my libido, so if I can get past that I am generally okay as I can deal with tattoos, smaller tits enhanced by padded bra, etc. That might also have been hidden. Everything else (face, height, weight) can be seen, so that is just one's subjective preferences to choose. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]I see your point. I really like quite a percentage of girls that have a baby already if the damage is very minimal. I have met girls with no discernible stretch marks on the tummy and minimal boob sag. These can be really fine for me.

Last night I had my long time bargirl from Suzi Wong, Nott. She is very slim, I have not noticed tummy marks, and pussy is perfect fit for me. Tits are small and sag just a little, but very nice looking nipples. She had a baby when she was 16 or 17, long ago. She was unusually fucking horny, taking two cums in DATY and 2 more in cowgirl. I only got one shot but was a heavenly fuck. I got so carried away in various positions, I think I forgot to get a BBBJ. LOL The 60 minutes or so went very quickly.

My girlfriend had a baby already when I met her but her tits were great and only minor stretch marks, tight pussy. So baby already is not automatic rule out for me. It is easier for me just to select naked or near naked girls from a Gogo, where I can see the body condition properly.

In MPs or for freelancers, I could consider asking, even it seems a little bit ugly thing to be asking. My only really good freelancer worth repeating recently had a baby already, was her second. She had big full tits, with milk in them, a little sag, but not too much. I had no problems with her body at all.

So I do take a mix of mothers and non mothers. I sometimes meet non mothers whose pussy is just a little bit too small too tight for me. Some of these girls are rather dick scared. It is much rarer for a mother to be dick scared. So a high percentage of my failed encounters, due to starfish and the seized up legs problem, are with non mothers, I would say.

I really hate it however, when favorite girls go and get pregnant, and subsequently could potentially wreck their fabulous body. I have to admit that well over 90% of girls I ever took from Crazy House were not mothers, because they simply had the best bodies. A few were dick scared disasters too. That was the risk. Last night went in there with a buddy. He was more keen to go than me. Met a new cute faced girl Foon from Siem Riep. Face looked exotic slightly like Famous movie star Senta Berger (when young) but smaller nose. She spoke Thai perfectly to my ear. She was 29. I did not check out her tummy very carefully yet, but must be a good chance she is a mother. Tits were very small and covered. So I don't really worry if girl is a mother or not. I just try to check out if body is in good condition or not, when in the right place for checking out the body

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935159]In MPs or for freelancers, I could consider asking, even it seems a little bit ugly thing to be asking.[/QUOTE]When I go to an MP, I am very explicit about the baby factor to remove this variable. Same when I am talking with providers on WeChat (where I will require a girl to send at least a bikini pic if she tells me she has a kid). I can forgive minimal damage too, but it would be super ugly to ask the girl to do a strip check in an MP, so there is no practical way to check the extent of damage. I barfined #131 Mon at CH the other night and only noticed her light stretch marks when she was dressing in the light of our Asoke Place room, otherwise wouldn't have noticed from the breasts or pussy. Surely did not notice in the bar.

Some MP venues make this easier than others. Boss and EZ are a couple that don't do an immediate lineup, so I can scan the pics, ask mama-san a couple questions on my specs and then get the target girls to come in for a lineup. When I went into Bamboo, it was somewhat less smooth when mama-san stood up, walked into the girl's waiting room and matter-of-factly had the girls hold up their hands with a prompt to me to "pick from them".

When I am talking to a freelancer, I try to be much more delicate. I make it part of a natural conversation chain. Where you from? You have family there? Have sisters or brothers? How about boyfriend or husband? Any kids or baby? I will put some chit chat in the middle, so rather than a ham-handed segue into the baby topic, I get to what I want to know without spoiling the vibe, especially for the girls without baby.

As an aside, you may be able to decrease the incidence of negative dick-scared encounters if you use a silicone-based lubricant. I have a monger friend who is larger sized and is a Prophylactic Honor Scout. The combination does not usually make for the best experience for the girl, especially on initial penetration to tight little Asian pussies. My mate tried it with much success. Just a few drops on the tip made initial penetration much easier. In addition, silicone-based lubes do not dry up after 5 min of stroking, so if you need to go a longer time it can help for a better session. I always carry a very small bottle with me, just a few drops needed. I have had girls ask for the bottle to use with thier customers in the future. Unfortunately (and with some irony) I have to mind my stash as the Land of Smile and Sex does not have a single shop that sells a silicone-based product, but you can order from overseas. For consideration as it might help. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1935195]I barfined #131 Mon at CH the other night and only noticed her light stretch marks when she was dressing in the light of our Asoke Place room, otherwise wouldn't have noticed from the breasts or pussy. Surely did not notice in the bar.

As an aside, you may be able to decrease the incidence of negative dick-scared encounters if you use a silicone-based lubricant. [/QUOTE]Does Mon have inverted nipples? If so I have taken her once a long while back, when she was new to CH. I have forgotten the number but my Mon still works there sometimes. Wasn't that successful. No repeat. Too long ago to recall if she was dick scared now. I would have to check my old report. I did do a search but could not find it. She certainly looked nice in my view despite inverted nipples or was it only one nipple inverted? It's certainly possible there is more than one Mon.

My unsuccessful girls in CH have been: Uui, TaengMo, Mon, Bow, Boom, Chocolat (tried at Doll House), Praow (also at Doll House), Mai, Off, and one or two more. May, Naam were moderately successful (just a little dick scared but fuckable). All rest, good enough to excellent. One problem for me is sometimes trying girls when they are very new, raw and inexperienced, and not mothers. They could have improved once they get used to being a bargirl. Off No. 3 has greatly changed in attitude. I could perhaps try her again.

I always use a very good quality lube imported here (in my own suitcase in significant quantities) from Overseas. The Thailand ones, e. G. KY and Durex, are crappy and dry up quickly. However dick scared girls are dick scared regardless. They don't just relax when they see the lube. Their legs tend to be rather straight and stiff rather than relaxed and spread wide. For the good girls, I always insert slowly and gradually. I don't insert fully until she has had time to get used to it. Some girls are wincing after only two inches has gone in, despite well lubed. LOL. Most girls pussies can stretch out a bit during a sex session. Some even love deep cock (not enough).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935159]
In MPs or for freelancers, I could consider asking, even it seems a little bit ugly thing to be asking. [/QUOTE]Why is it ugly to ask that? Each girl has her positive and negative points. I recently chose an older girl who I would never have chosen but for the fact she's baby-free. Those girls would be very keen that you know they're baby-free. For the ones who do have babies I'm sure they don't want to impose their damaged body on you if you're not comfortable with it.

[QUOTE=*****man;1935261]Why is it ugly to ask that? Each girl has her positive and negative points. I recently chose an older girl who I would never have chosen but for the fact she's baby-free. Those girls would be very keen that you know they're baby-free. For the ones who do have babies I'm sure they don't want to impose their damaged body on you if you're not comfortable with it.[/QUOTE]There are a huge number of single mothers in the P4 P industry. They hope to still be able to work. If they were all excluded, there would vastly less hookers. They hope to be not discriminated against and still be able to get customers. Meanwhile it obviously does them massive harm to their prospects if their body has been devastated by it. That is why I just cannot understand girls willing to have a baby at a young age (without a husband of many years standing). So stupid.

I don't discriminate purely because girl has a baby, as have explained. Many mothers have been really good for me. I do discriminate against disaster looks though, whatever the cause of that is, whether fat, bad nose job, bad silicones, straight body, fat legs, very saggy bits, broad face, hook nose, anything extra weird, etc. I certainly agree it can be hard to get excited to fuck a girl with a disaster body, or even a very mediocre body. There are many bad bodies I could decline even if were for free. Fortunately my GF has a damn good body even at 38 (seeing her naked is still exciting), so its hard to accept too much less.

Chocolate at Crazy House is yet another girl that left to have a baby with her Thai boy I presume. How will she support him and the baby in the future. She used to work 7 days per week very consistently (a possible indicator sign of supporting a Thai boy I think - anyway I have seen her with her Thai boy). She already was a girl with bad attitude to customers and only moderate looks. Not sure how old she was, maybe mid twenties. May-Lee was a quite young stunner for face and body that left to have a baby maybe 6+ Months ago. Probably has given birth by now. Will she ever return or will her body have been stuffed? Hard to guess.
Bo was once a good looking girl with fabulous Dee Cups (and a star fish LOL). After an unnecessary nose job, and a baby, she is not even worth glancing at any more.

What percentage of Mango girls have no baby? LOL I imagine its low. I don't take them because most of them look very "average". That is the main reason, not so much that they are mothers. What percentage of Snow White girls have no baby? I really have no clue since again most of them are too ordinary looking (read just not my spec) for me to even try. Have not had a SW girl for a long time. Last one tried was Benz I think many months ago, and long before her, Emmy.

Tulip, I have not visited very long time, since Traveler1234 and I walked in one day, and were horrified by the worst line up I ever saw in Tulip. Really scary bad that particular day. However it makes its mark, even could not see how bad were tits and tummy damage. Just the faces and overall shape. I would want to be highly paid to try to fuck some girls. It has probably vastly improved, but I have not been back. Just not worth the trip to Thonglor to be disappointed. I prefer to be where there are lots of shops options, Sois 24, 24/1, 26, 33

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935297]There are a huge number of single mothers in the P4 P industry. They hope to still be able to work. If they were all excluded, there would vastly less hookers. They hope to be not discriminated against and still be able to get customers. Meanwhile it obviously does them massive harm to their prospects if their body has been devastated by it. That is why I just cannot understand girls willing to have a baby at a young age (without a husband of many years standing). So stupid.
[/QUOTE]No one's talking about excluding them all. Some guys don't like the baby damage, I'm sure they understand that. If they know straight away that it's an issue then they can focus on another customer and you can focus on another girl. If the reason you're not asking is to avoid discriminating then you're being over-sensitive. If the reason is because you don't mind some of them then that's perfectly sensible.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935297]

What percentage of Mango girls have no baby? LOL I imagine its low. I don't take them because most of them look very "average". That is the main reason, not so much that they are mothers. What percentage of Snow White girls have no baby? I really have no clue since again most of them are too ordinary looking (read just not my spec) for me to even try. Have not had a SW girl for a long time. Last one tried was Benz I think many months ago, and long before her, Emmy.[/QUOTE]I was in Snow White yesterday and of the 10 or so girls 2 were confirmed baby-free. I know of 5 who definitely have no baby. The PSE parlors are obviously not the place for 'stunners' though.

[QUOTE=*****man;1935317]I was in Snow White yesterday and of the 10 or so girls 2 were confirmed baby-free. I know of 5 who definitely have no baby. The PSE parlors are obviously not the place for 'stunners' though.[/QUOTE]Those numbers are about what I might have expected, if I was sufficiently pessimistic. I did find a lovely cute girl in New Massage with no baby and great girly body. She is not a pornstar but keeps me very happy. Great GFE and we even have extended conversation in the Jacuzzi so its like a Soapy visit for me when Jacuzzi room is available (they have two Jacuzzi rooms). They seem to have proper Nuru gel too and can do a bit of sexy body to body slide. So its been like a non Porno Oily and Soapy rolled into one. VIP rooms are nice. If don't find the right girl there, Mitu and Dream Heaven are very nearby options.

It makes a huge difference to my excitement / arousal to be seeing my dick going into a girl with a hot body and luscious padded pussy. The light sliding touch of body to body works for me too, where I get bored by real massage.

I tried to go to Mitu but no platinum girl available, so I bailed out. Amethyst had only 2 girls, not quite the standards that its sister shop (Addict) had accustomed me to. So I crossed Soi 33 again to try my luck at Dream Heaven Massage. The selection was nice, and one girl in particular caught my eye. Slim, nice legs, non-flat chest, pretty face. Bingo! Her name was Bell. I took one hour Nuru gel massage in VIP room with Jacuzzi.

There was no hot water. Thank God it's Thailand not Switzerland! I told the front desk afterwards but they sort of brushed me off. Why do I pay 200 baht extra for a VIP room if it has no hot water?

Bell was even more gorgeous once she got naked. The bath was so-so, the "regular" massage was crap, the handjob was so-so, the blow-job was non-existent, but the boom-boom was mind-blowing! She really got into it, I swear she came once. She started fingering herself halfway through. She likes to feel the weight and the power of the man on her back. Anyway, a nice session that left me panting. I swear I could not walk afterwards and was running on fumes.

All in all, I recommend her, she's a hottie spinner who takes a while to get going but then doesn't hold back. Shame about the lack of professionalism about upkeep of the room, once again if I compare to Addict it would never happen there. But all in all it's nice to have a few options right next to one another on Soi 33. It's my first time at Dream Heaven, and if they can keep up the quality of the line-up I may return.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1936234]Bell was even more gorgeous once she got naked. The bath was so-so, the "regular" massage was crap, the handjob was so-so, the blow-job was non-existent, but the boom-boom was mind-blowing! She really got into it, I swear she came once. She started fingering herself halfway through. She likes to feel the weight and the power of the man on her back. Anyway, a nice session that left me panting. I swear I could not walk afterwards and was running on fumes.

All in all, I recommend her, she's a hottie spinner who takes a while to get going but then doesn't hold back. Shame about the lack of professionalism about upkeep of the room, once again if I compare to Addict it would never happen there. But all in all it's nice to have a few options right next to one another on Soi 33. It's my first time at Dream Heaven, and if they can keep up the quality of the line-up I may return.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuse.php?id=18[/URL]

Thanks for the report. Sparked my interest to go look again at the line up. Did you get any impression that they would normally have hot water? Were you very early or very late?

Are her pics reasonably accurate for the pretty face? If so I could certainly partake. I don't like real "regular" massage or handjobs, so that would be no problem. I do like cock and balls massaged by the girls tits, ass and pussy slide with Nuru gel. I do like some of the girls pictured on the site, however failed to meet the prettiest ones recently. Some on the site don't really work there anymore. I have been a customer of more than one girl there in the past though.

Other girls I like from website pics could be Kaew, Mint, and Ploy, if they are really that cute and still work there. Pics of Ploy remind me somewhat of some girl from the past too.

Pics off Joy are interesting:
[URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuse.php?id=34[/URL]
In first pic her nose looks cute to me and in 2nd pic it looks like a large swollen silicone job, making her almost unrecognisable. Some guys will prefer the 2nd pic but definitely not me. Puts me right off.

If you want better quality rooms with Jacuzzi and plenty of hot water, I would suggest New Massage next door. I don't think 60 minutes booking is really enough if you want Jacuzzi and massage and everything. I take at least 90 minutes, and I only take a Nuru slide no proper massage.

The line-up at Snow White was good today. 5 girls definitely without babies, including one who only started yesterday. She had this deer in the headlights look about her but I had A+ on the mind and sadly she can't do that yet so I chose someone else. It was a bit much of me to expect her to be taking it up the arse on her second day on the job. To be honest anal has become the new normal for me and a nice tight farm fresh pussy seems much more appealing so I think I'll go back for her.

Good report Eric.

Seems like we're following the same path.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1936234]I tried to go to Mitu but no platinum girl available, so I bailed out. [/QUOTE]At 3 PM yesterday, Mitu upstairs had only 1 girl available and she was Platinum. I wasn't so hot about paying a Premium for something that is already quite costly.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1936234]Amethyst had only 2 girls, not quite the standards that its sister shop (Addict) had accustomed me to.[/QUOTE]3 days ago around 2 PM, there were 3 girls available. I was told "6 PM, many lady" but had other plans for late afternoon. I took Nam (featured on website), and it was not the best experience of my life, to say the least.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1936234]So I crossed Soi 33 again to try my luck at Dream Heaven Massage. The selection was nice, and one girl in particular caught my eye. [/QUOTE]Took Ann on my first day here last Sunday, and it was a rather enjoyable session.

Tried to go to The Lord yesterday night, but MRT was slow and there were like 20 people in each queue.
5000 Baht easily saved, as I just went for a drink with a friend at Soi 7 bar, and didn't take anybody home with me.
Will try again tonight.

Passed on Mitu as well then went to 7th Heaven for a look. Walked in and the lady at desk gave me a card that had only hand or oral services and emphasized only these two options. I passed and went right across to Thanks massage and pulled a tall and tanned lady who was very good and I believe for 1900 bht. Afterwards was sitting outside for a smoke and chatting with one of the other ladies that was doing her makeup and also smoking, Mama, who is very nice and accommodating was chatting as well. I asked if they didn't do FS across the way and they were both under the impression that it was on offer. I saw some real hotties come out periodically to smoke " cigarettes" and a very steady stream of Asian punters enter. Any Americans or non Asians get more out of this place as I want to go back here?

First I'm bumping this old report from Jan to add to it. Also, Eric, thank you for so many reports you contribute to this site. Solid intel, it helps others find good providers.

So I went to soi 24/1 and walked inside Addict at 1 PM or so. I honestly think that this place blows. I've never seen much there that was sexually attractive. It just seems to be the cute girly girl types that the Japs like. I saw sandy there once but she is kind of pom poi, at least as of late. And a little too kinky / weird for me (lots of toe sucking kind of through me off). And all the other girls at addict are just too average looking and rather unskilled in bed.

So I swung by Orient, a place I have been to before. I didn't see Taan until they did a line-up up stairs. I already pegged a different girl but this Taan girl, there was definitely that sexual / attractive connection. I didn't even notice how petite she was until in the room later. Because she is so small (but hot and a very sexual women) I had no problem picking her up and fucking her against the wall or just no wall (standing). Also there is another chick there I saw called "Donut" a few months ago who was really timid during the massage part, and certainly not PSE. But she was very GFE. So I wonder if Taan is one of their top performers skill wise. Also merely for the sake of review metrics, I am rather well endowed girth-wise, which is not really a good thing in Thailand nor something I log into the internet to brag about. Anyway, Taan's love box had no problem at all, any position. I was rather surprised to see such a small woman be so malleable with my junk.

Verdict: Taan is a nympho, see her.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1825877]At around 3 pm I walked into the little sub-soi that hosts Addict Massage, but this time from the South. Immediately some girl in a tight red uniform from Orient Massage jumped up and tried to recruit me. I took off my sunglasses and looked her up and down. There was an immediate sexual connection.

So I went in, and paid extra for the premium room, which has a big bathtub. Her name is Tan or Taan. She is short, skinny, has A-cup natural breasts, darker skin as she is from Isaan, probably mid-20's, some stretch marks but her ass and face are so hot that I forgave her, some tattoos on her shoulders but they don't get in the way of enjoying the experience.

To put it succinctly, she is a whirlwind of sexual prowess. She is not afraid of Farang dick size. She even does A+, although I did not test myself. She just loves to fuck and be fucked, and she knows perfectly well how to do it well. At some point in the middle she said "good! Good! Which is what Thai hookers say when they are feeling sexual pleasure.

She loves DATY, which I don't, so I fingered her instead. She did one thing I have never seen: she put some lube on her pussy to facilitate my finger-fucking her as she was blowing me. That was really good. In the end I came in her mouth.

Would I recommend? Yes if you like DATY, A+ and CIM. Would I repeat? Well, if she harpoons me again, I certainly won't be in a position to say no to a guaranteed hot fuck. Orient Massage could be one of the PSE shops on par with Snow White, Cherry, etc.[/QUOTE]

I've been to DH33 10-15 times. I used to have a regular there called "Da" but she no longer works there. So I really don't go much now since it's a bit of a walk down where nothing else is for me to step into if I don't see what I like. I've been a few times in the past 2 months and only saw "Pa" (not on website). She is a darker skin Isaan MILF with no plastic surgery, but decent tits / ass though. Decent service, I think all the girls there are trained to give a good and sexual service (not likely to encounter timid / confused girls there). It sometimes is a bit empty selection-wise though, as all the rooms are booked, which is probably why I kept picking Pa. Japanese men will come in groups of 2-3 and clear the place out pretty quickly around 1-3 PM which is often when I go (as can be seen by all male shoes at the shoe rack). However, 11 AM can be great because you get there before the crowd, but also it appears 5 pm is good as it's before the business crowd but after the 1-3 pm rush.

But because "Da" no longer works there, I see no reason to go. I kind of like the MILF type more than the cute girl type. But the pictures of Bell and Joy look great though so I will keep them on my radar (and probably book ahead of time due how busy they are and not wanting to walk to a place with only 3 women working and I don't really want to see "Pa" again she isn't that great looking to repeat anymore).

They typically have hot water (electric) showers of course. As for the bath tube. No they don't provide hot / steamy water there. It's certainly not cold though.

I had read about soapies and was very keen to try. I was in BKK for a day on work and had very little time. So went to Darling and was disappointed with the lack of quality of ladies available at that time. Selected one lady and realized that soapy massage is not for me. The girl didn't know anything about massage.

Bad experience and will never repeat Soapy again.

[QUOTE=Shiel;1937063]I had read about soapies and was very keen to try. I was in BKK for a day on work and had very little time. So went to Darling and was disappointed with the lack of quality of ladies available at that time. Selected one lady and realized that soapy massage is not for me. The girl didn't know anything about massage.

Bad experience and will never repeat Soapy again.[/QUOTE]Soapies have been hit hard as of the past 1-2 years. I don't even bother going unless I have some weird desire to get my hopes down. Selection is indeed very bad. I went to Meree about a month ago, twice. One time on Friday Night at 8 or 9 PM. Was hard to choose but I got a very boring looking, average girl. Didn't want to walk out as it took me awhile to get there and I wanted to just get it over with. Went again midweek, around 3 PM. It was so pitiful, the lineup. The girls all looked distraught, and very below average in looks. But the place was full of luxury and mid-sized sedans though. I think the only talent is booked by the locals. It is no longer the case that you can just show up to the local soapy and find something good in the fish bowl / side-lines.

I think as an expat / frequent visitor, the best thing to do is get the LINE ID of the manager and have him send you pictures of talent. They keep the good models outside of the public view and will certainly show you the good stuff if it means closing a sale.

[QUOTE=Shiel;1937063]I had read about soapies and was very keen to try. I was in BKK for a day on work and had very little time. So went to Darling and was disappointed with the lack of quality of ladies available at that time. Selected one lady and realized that soapy massage is not for me. The girl didn't know anything about massage.

Bad experience and will never repeat Soapy again.[/QUOTE]It's well known that Soapies are generally not for the purpose of massage, however there are certain Soapies that have experienced Masseuses.

It seems silly to me to make your decision based on one experience, especially as Darling has not been a really top Soapy over the years.

Chao Praya 2 used to have a lot of expert masseuses for Thai style massage. I have not visited very recently.

If you are not interested in being in a big soapy bath with a naked lady, then sure, don't go there. There are also Nuru gel body slide places that interest me, but again maybe that is not your thing.

Greetings fellow hobbyists!

I will be in Bangkok at the end of October and would love to experience what do you guys have been enjoying all this time! Specifically, I'm looking for a Nuru massage with some extras- love girls with some curves that can Deep Throat and love girls who like anal. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, including specific parlors, girls and price ranges.

Thank you very much and happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1937406]It's well known that Soapies are generally not for the purpose of massage, however there are certain Soapies that have experienced Masseuses.

It seems silly to me to make your decision based on one experience, especially as Darling has not been a really top Soapy over the years.

Chao Praya 2 used to have a lot of expert masseuses for Thai style massage. I have not visited very recently.

If you are not interested in being in a big soapy bath with a naked lady, then sure, don't go there. There are also Nuru gel body slide places that interest me, but again maybe that is not your thing.[/QUOTE]Syzygies, we met with Mackin, at CH over a year ago. I was trying to pm you but cannot leave you a message. I remember you were raving about at girl at Cherry some time ago who only stayed a short time and then disappeared from the scene. I met a girl that now works in Malaysia that fits that description. She definitely knows some of the Cherry girls and I am trying to find out what her name was under which she worked at Cherry. She is not doing SW right now but I think she knows more about it then she let's me believe. 😉.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1937750]Syzygies, we met with Mackin, at CH over a year ago. I was trying to pm you but cannot leave you a message. I remember you were raving about at girl at Cherry some time ago who only stayed a short time and then disappeared from the scene. I met a girl that now works in Malaysia that fits that description. She definitely knows some of the Cherry girls and I am trying to find out what her name was under which she worked at Cherry. She is not doing SW right now but I think she knows more about it then she let's me believe. 😉.[/QUOTE]I believe her name was Candy at Cherry Massage. Her body was a 10 and face maybe 8. 5. She previously worked at a modelling agency I think but not as a model. She was clearly a bit shy in a sexual working environment. However I could still enjoy a lot. No pornstar.

Yes I remember the meeting now. I got mixed up with handles though and thought I had met BKKDog. LOL We were also in Suzi Wong, is that right?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1937767]I believe her name was Candy at Cherry Massage. Her body was a 10 and face maybe 8. 5. She previously worked at a modelling agency I think but not as a model. She was clearly a bit shy in a sexual working environment. However I could still enjoy a lot. No pornstar.

Yes I remember the meeting now. I got mixed up with handles though and thought I had met BKKDog. LOL We were also in Suzi Wong, is that right?[/QUOTE]You are right. We met at Suzy Wong and later moved on to CH. And because I was starving we stopped at the Burger joint at the corner of SC and Soi 23 😀.

I don't think the girl you are referring to was named Candy. Unless they used the name twice. Candy at Cherry moved on to be the owner of Candy Massage at the entrance of Soi 24/1. (Candy actually sold her shop to another girl a month ago) Candy's figure is quite the opposite to your beauty ideal. LOL.

I will try and get the information from Nadear.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1937989]You are right. We met at Suzy Wong and later moved on to CH. And because I was starving we stopped at the Burger joint at the corner of SC and Soi 23 😀.

I don't think the girl you are referring to was named Candy. Unless they used the name twice. Candy at Cherry moved on to be the owner of Candy Massage at the entrance of Soi 24/1. (Candy actually sold her shop to another girl a month ago) Candy's figure is quite the opposite to your beauty ideal. LOL.

I will try and get the information from Nadear.[/QUOTE]Okay BKKMick. The correct name was Angie. The two names are not that far apart. LOL. Here was my post:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES[/URL]!&p=1522203&viewfull=1#post1522203.

I have been twice to snow white recently.

First time was nice but second was sad.

Last month I went around 3 pm. I ussualy don't choose a girl (this was so far 90% of the time ok). A new young girl I think Aom with sexy body and face came out.

We took a shower together. It was nice even if she was shy (she said that was her second day). Next thing she was on to me in the bed. She really has a nice attitude and seems very horny.

Her massage skills were non existing between the pops but she is up for everything. Didn't try anal but she didn't complain about finger in there!

Second time was also very nice and she likes to look at herself in the mirror and seemed to enjoy as much as I did.

All together a very nice experience.

I don't think this can refer to everybody but I would give her: Body - 8 Face - 8 Attitude - 9.

My second time was few days ago.

I must admit that was a little bit tired but that usually is not a problem.

Again I let them call a meme for me and for the first time was disappointed with the choice of looks. (maybe should've say something but I thought "Try, maybe she is good under the sheets".

We went to the room and took a shower together. Nothing special. She dimmed the lights and started to massage me. It was a good massage, and she probably has some experience with it.

After a while she turned me and started to play with my twins. She was solid at it but nothing special. She proceeded with a robot kind of the attitude and everything looked more of a chore than pleasure.

After she continued to massage me until the end. No second pop. I must say that I was not complaining because to be honest she didn't relay attract me that much.

Scores: Body - 5 Face - 6 Attitude - 4.

P.S. I will try to post my other visits to other places. And I am sorry if this seems messy but it is my first post so still learning.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1938095]Okay BKKMick. The correct name was Angie. The two names are not that far apart. LOL. Here was my post:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES[/URL]!&p=1522203&viewfull=1#post1522203.[/QUOTE]Corrected link:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1522203&viewfull=1#post1522203[/url]

[QUOTE=MarcoMorri;1938131]

Again I let them call a meme for me and for the first time was disappointed with the choice of looks.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you mean by 'let them call a meme'. Are you really saying you let the mamasan or whoever was at reception choose the girl? Why on earth would you do that? One thing I like about Snow White is that it's very relaxed. The girls just sit there and you take a look, which is much better than some other places where they all suddenly line up and you feel under pressure. Why would you not just take a look at the girls and choose the one you like? I'm glad your first time worked out well but imagine how the second girl felt with a tired, unenthusiastic customer. Lack of enthusiasm is infectious so it's not surprising the girl didn't perform very enthusiastically. I'm sure you would have got a second pop if you'd asked.

[QUOTE=*****man;1938567]I'm not sure what you mean by 'let them call a meme'. Are you really saying you let the mamasan or whoever was at reception choose the girl? Why on earth would you do that? One thing I like about Snow White is that it's very relaxed. The girls just sit there and you take a look, which is much better than some other places where they all suddenly line up and you feel under pressure. Why would you not just take a look at the girls and choose the one you like? I'm glad your first time worked out well but imagine how the second girl felt with a tired, unenthusiastic customer. Lack of enthusiasm is infectious so it's not surprising the girl didn't perform very enthusiastically. I'm sure you would have got a second pop if you'd asked.[/QUOTE]I think I said that I don't blame anybody. Even when I choose a girl that is not a guarantee that you will have a great time (twice happened to me), and this was the first time I wasn't satisfied with a mamasan choose.

I agree that Snow White is good and relaxed. I posted this report just to share my experiences, not to complain.

Few times before I went tired to a massage place and the girls would wake me up and drain 3 or more times so that doesn't mean a lot!

And yes I am sure that I would have a second pop, but as I wrote I really didn't want to!

I will try to post my few other experiences soon.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1938520]Corrected link:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1522203&viewfull=1#post1522203[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks! Unfortunately it is not the same girl! I checked it out.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1939047]Thanks! Unfortunately it is not the same girl! I checked it out.[/QUOTE]I don't think Angie was really cut out to be a hooker, and definitely not in a PSE shop (too classy). With her looks, I think she could get alternative work more suitable easily enough.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1939196]I don't think Angie was really cut out to be a hooker, and definitely not in a PSE shop (too classy). With her looks, I think she could get alternative work more suitable easily enough.[/QUOTE]I don't think PSE sex classifies someone as not "classy." I have known many women I consider to be "classy" who love dirty sex. In fact, most of them do. It is the unsophisticated bumpkins that seem to be prudish in my experience. Hence why most gals in the biz in Thailand are not so fun. Interestingly enough, I have also found that most of the gals in the PSE shops tend to be the most polite and well mannered.

Did Aom have stretch marks?

[QUOTE=MarcoMorri;1938131]I have been twice to snow white recently.

First time was nice but second was sad.

Last month I went around 3 pm. I ussualy don't choose a girl (this was so far 90% of the time ok). A new young girl I think Aom with sexy body and face came out.

We took a shower together. It was nice even if she was shy (she said that was her second day). Next thing she was on to me in the bed. She really has a nice attitude and seems very horny.

Her massage skills were non existing between the pops but she is up for everything. Didn't try anal but she didn't complain about finger in there!

Second time was also very nice and she likes to look at herself in the mirror and seemed to enjoy as much as I did.

All together a very nice experience.

I don't think this can refer to everybody but I would give her: Body - 8 Face - 8 Attitude - 9..[/QUOTE]

I'm just now getting to this review from my visit to Snow White a couple weeks ago. I picked Pooky on this trip without knowing anything about here. She just looked kinda naughty and was hamming it up a bit. I wasn't disappointed with my choice even though the 2 hour session went a bit differently than it usually does here. I've found a few reviews on Pooky since, and they are very similar. Face 6, body 7.5, and I would say that she is above average height and proportions (not fat, but closer to a western girls average frame) for a Thai girl. She definitely has the Issan look, but that's just fine with me. Her body doesn't have any stretch marks that I noticed, but she does have a baby zipper from one kid. But I think the body isn't too worse for wear. Nice natural be cups and pretty tight ass and legs still.

I'll keep it short on the details. I got 3 pops in about 2. 5 hours! She wouldn't let me quit fucking her until she was satisfied, hahaha! I was OK with that because it was a nice change. DFK (a lot), multiple positions, BBBJ CIM, Rimming, but no anal (but I'm not that interested in that usually). She was really enthusiastic and was a a fun time. She actually seemed to enjoy the session and wouldn't let me rest much. But she did actually give a very good strong Thai massage inbetween a couple pops. I usually can't pull off 3, but we went past the 2 hours to get it done. I will repeat with her in the near future. But she did sound like she was weighing her options with other ships.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1939358]I don't think PSE sex classifies someone as not "classy." I have known many women I consider to be "classy" who love dirty sex. In fact, most of them do. It is the unsophisticated bumpkins that seem to be prudish in my experience. Hence why most gals in the biz in Thailand are not so fun. Interestingly enough, I have also found that most of the gals in the PSE shops tend to be the most polite and well mannered.[/QUOTE]I agree. There are some classy girls in the PSE shops, although I think the reason is just because they make more money. Even though the price per session is lower, the classy girls who work in them are very busy so could be getting 5 customers a day, which would give them the same money as a 'classy' escort. Girls who work in more 'classy' establishments may only be getting 3 customers a day so their total earnings would be less.

[QUOTE=MarcoMorri;1939002]I think I said that I don't blame anybody. Even when I choose a girl that is not a guarantee that you will have a great time (twice happened to me), and this was the first time I wasn't satisfied with a mamasan choose.

[/QUOTE]As a bare minimum you need to find the girl attractive, which you clearly didn't. Snow White probably has the best mamasan around. She and all the girls are very happy if you discuss your needs with her right in front of them and she'll point out the most suitable girl for you.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1939358]I don't think PSE sex classifies someone as not "classy." I have known many women I consider to be "classy" who love dirty sex. In fact, most of them do. It is the unsophisticated bumpkins that seem to be prudish in my experience. Hence why most gals in the biz in Thailand are not so fun. Interestingly enough, I have also found that most of the gals in the PSE shops tend to be the most polite and well mannered.[/QUOTE]Its probably more a question of what types of customers a girl is willing to put up with. For sure not all the customers are classy. The girls have a lot to put up with and they have told me so. There are nice customers, however some girls have suggested to me in PSE shops that the nice customers maybe less than 50%.

One example, to be specific, Cat a past girl at Mango and pretty face for me, body not quite slim enough, said that it was not great having plenty of regular customers, since she did not like more than 50% of the her regulars. She indicated they were "rork jit" ("psychos") (her words) presumably meaning they were demanding of "sick" things to be done. I don't know if she was a girl providing anal, certainly not offered to me. She did appear to like my style of session though. She did not last at Mango for much longer. Maybe if her customers were mostly nice, she could have kept going (speculation). After Cat was gone, I moved on to Cherry, a little less pretty for the face but great body.

Anway, in the case of Angie, she seemed a high class girl, coming from working in a photographic model studio, not sure of the role. She would probably be surprised by some of the weird things that customers ask for, and also may not be used to how arrogant and demanding customers get (I hear this from girls a lot). I was not at all surprised that she could not last long working at Cherry. Seemed to be a square peg in a round hole. Did not even show any great lustfulness that I associate with many hookers. Instead rather shy and hesitant. She got into the DATY eventually. Probably accidentally liked it. I had forgotten that she claimed I was her first ever customer, so I could not be expecting her to set the world on fire.

[QUOTE=*****man;1939461]As a bare minimum you need to find the girl attractive, which you clearly didn't. Snow White probably has the best mamasan around. She and all the girls are very happy if you discuss your needs with her right in front of them and she'll point out the most suitable girl for you.[/QUOTE]Finding the girl attractive, and a recommended girl by mamasan for your requirements (non visual) are two different things. You have to be lucky if the two aspects can coincide. As I have a very heavy emphasis on visuals, I would not be taking girls recommended for me, unless just happens to be very good looking as well.

In a bar I sometimes consult with certain trusted staff, about girls I have indicated have the looks for me. If they say "no go", girl is no good, I tend to trust them unless the girl is just too stunning for me to be interested in any advice at all. However when they recommend girls to me, largely I am not taking the advice, since they don't fully know my spec.

Can't recall ever asking for mamasans' advice at an Oily. Have consulted sometimes with a very long known mamasan at Chao Praya 2 Soapy in the past, but only in relation to the girls that interested me for looks already, since could watch the girls in the fish bowl.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1939508]Finding the girl attractive, and a recommended girl by mamasan for your requirements (non visual) are two different things. You have to be lucky if the two aspects can coincide. As I have a very heavy emphasis on visuals, I would not be taking girls recommended for me, unless just happens to be very good looking as well.
[/QUOTE]Of course the kind of general recommendation that some guys seek is worthless, but if you have specific requirements like the girl shouldn't have silicon implants or be a mother or should be willing to take anal or CIM then a good mamasan is essential.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1939497]<SNIP>One example, to be specific, Cat a past girl at Mango and pretty face for me, body not quite slim enough, said that it was not great having plenty of regular customers, since she did not like more than 50% of the her regulars. She indicated they were "rork jit" ("psychos") (her words) presumably meaning they were demanding of "sick" things to be done. I don't know if she was a girl providing anal, certainly not offered to me. <SNIP>[/QUOTE]One ever-bubbly provider I visited at Boss Massage told me rather graphically about one of her regular farang customers who brings handcuffs, dildo, anal plug and a leather spanker for his sessions. Forget about providing anal being at the extreme. I am sure we could set up a "[URL]rorkjit.com[/URL]" site with a webcam streaming from those oily cubicles. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=*****man;1939516]Of course the kind of general recommendation that some guys seek is worthless, but if you have specific requirements like the girl shouldn't have silicon implants or be a mother or should be willing to take anal or CIM then a good mamasan is essential.[/QUOTE]Yes we discussed the baby danage before. For silicones I generally have a fair idea without asking, have been known to ask about a particular girl of my choice. I don't think a mamasan can guarantee a great GFE, my biggest requirement but I suppose she can say which girls do not kiss.

When mamasans recommend a particular girl of her choice, I usually must ignore her since she doesn't know my spec, so girls with bad nose jobs and ridiculous silicones often get recommended. This is what I was nainly referring to. Mamasan cannot recommend girls for me, but she can answer questions about girls that interest me.

Often I have few questions if any. Just a different style.
Sonetimes I had to ask if the shop had any slim girls at all with natural noses since I did not see any, or most common question, is that all the girls they have (so few)?

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1939524]One ever-bubbly provider I visited at Boss Massage told me rather graphically about one of her regular farang customers who brings handcuffs, dildo, anal plug and a leather spanker for his sessions. Forget about providing anal being at the extreme. I am sure we could set up a "[URL]rorkjit.com[/URL]" site with a webcam streaming from those oily cubicles. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]She sounds awesome. My kind of gal. She still there? Boss has had a huge turnover lately and the new crops "ain't all that. ".

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1939524]One ever-bubbly provider I visited at Boss Massage told me rather graphically about one of her regular farang customers who brings handcuffs, dildo, anal plug and a leather spanker for his sessions. Forget about providing anal being at the extreme. I am sure we could set up a "[URL]rorkjit.com[/URL]" site with a webcam streaming from those oily cubicles. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]She was obviously happy enough to have him as a regular or she could simply have said 'no more anal' and he'd have been off. I think some people have prudish attitudes and think girls must necessarily dislike the 'pervy' stuff but it's not necessarily so. Of course she's not going to tell her white knight customer that she's perfectly comfortable servicing 'psychos' but if she remains in the job she obviously is.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1939792]She sounds awesome. My kind of gal. She still there? Boss has had a huge turnover lately and the new crops "ain't all that. ".[/QUOTE]Could be. She is still on the latest updated G-diary site, although that is no indicator of actual presence. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE==]She was obviously happy enough to have him as a regular or she could simply have said 'no more anal' and he'd have been off. I think some people have prudish attitudes and think girls must necessarily dislike the 'pervy' stuff but it's not necessarily so.[/QUOTE]Indeed she seemed to be happy enough, hence I said "bubbly". She did not say anything negative (nor did I imply that she was negative about it) and I didn't get any impression that she was unhappy. Nor did she let it get in the way of our session. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

Has anyone tried this massage shop at Sakura Sky Residence at Soi 33.

Just curios before I visit there.

MM.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1939792] Boss has had a huge turnover lately and the new crops "ain't all that. ".[/QUOTE]Is this missing a word? "Ain't all that. " what? Good, bad or? Perhaps this is an american expression I have not heard of.

I used to be a customer of certain girls at Boss but they all left quite some time ago. Recently the line up did not seem to have a girl to make me stay but only the odd visit.

[QUOTE=MickyMouse;1939836]Has anyone tried this massage shop at Sakura Sky Residence at Soi 33.

Just curios before I visit there.

MM.[/QUOTE]You can find the Mitu reports easily with Thread Search.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1939524]One ever-bubbly provider I visited at Boss Massage told me rather graphically about one of her regular farang customers who brings handcuffs, dildo, anal plug and a leather spanker for his sessions. Forget about providing anal being at the extreme. I am sure we could set up a "[URL]rorkjit.com[/URL]" site with a webcam streaming from those oily cubicles. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]There was a sex club in Prague called Big Sister which did something like this; free sessions in exchange for recording and live streaming the action: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sister_(brothel)[/URL].

SL.

[QUOTE=TempStories;1939438]Did Aom have stretch marks?[/QUOTE]No, her body is perfect. She is around 23. She told me 24 but hmmm.

One of my stops led me to Mango. I choose Ae. Her pictures are heavy photoshoped but she has a nice face and solid figure. She has got stretch marks and she is always trying to hide them.

We had a nice shower together and after she started to massage me. Her skills are good so she probably has experience with regular massage.

After few min. She turned me and continued to massage the front and then started to play with my twins and stick. She has solid skills at BJ but nothing breathtaking.

She put the rubber and jumped on me. We changed positions few times before I finished. After she gave me another solid massage.

Second time I tried to finger her ass and she wasn't complaining so I went for it and took her doggy. We switched few positions and then I popped.

She has a nice ass and pussy and good skills so recommend for everybody that don't mind stretchmarks. Her body is fit except for them, and face is not bad.

So: Body - 7.5 Face - 7 Skills - 8.5 Attitude - 8.

I hope this is better than my first report. I still have few to write.

[QUOTE=MarcoMorri;1940279]
So: Body - 7.5 Face - 7 Skills - 8.5 Attitude - 8.

I hope this is better than my first report. I still have few to write.[/QUOTE]I also reviewed Ae:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1923296&viewfull=1#post1923296[/URL]

I was marking the body a bit lower at 6 and BBBJ only 7 otherwise similar. I also commented she was a wildcat that tended to bite and claw a bit. Did you experience that too, or maybe he has cooled off after working for a while?

Though it's never my preference I had the opportunity to escape to LOS for a week at the beginning of September and took the plunge. Arrived at 11 on a Sunday and immigration was fairly short, still got through before my bag did so was inconsequential. DTAC card in hand and no wait for taxi and was on my way to the Landmark. First time staying here and was pleased with everything. Location can't be easier for Nana and thermae was easy access as well with no taxi needed. Thanks Kumba and others for the q&a on the landmark. My room actually had a view right over the plaza, really could have used a zip line or back door right to the place.

Most of my time was planned with regular girlfriends, both of who are starting to wear out their welcome but that's another story. I did manage some free time though at Nana, oilies, thermae and other. After getting checked in and refreshed I headed to 24 to get the week off on the right foot. I still haven't really been able to do the walk in and walk out thing even after all these years. I can't say if it's just lower expectations so I can still find at least 1 acceptable or just some personal sensitivity. Anyway did the slow walk through 24/1 and I didn't spy anything that jumped out at me, but still need to walk slower. I was really planning on hitting SW to see the new recruits anyway so I headed over. Certainly some new faces and enhanced selections. I would estimate about 12 girls at 2 pm on Sunday afternoon. Took some time checking out the new faces, don't think I saw Ninja which was mentioned her before, but I didn't ask. I did ask about A+ as part of the appeal of SW for me is the added PSE portion for me and every or almost every girl raised her hand. Overall I would say lineup is improved over my last visit in May. Ended up choosing Amy and was pleased with my choice. Took the two hour option 2300 THB and headed upstairs. I was pleased when the wrapping came off to find no baby damage and nice body on this 30 year old skinny thing, just my type. If you like bigger boobs or more meat on the bones then she isn't for you. Amy was pleasant throughout and provided solid service without anything being exceptional but she was compliant with any request and certainly worth the fare. Standard shower and then onto the bed and I lie face up as the massage is only of interest to me in between sessions. We went through multiple positions and good reactions from her and DFK which is my preference. She handled the A+ well which can sometimes be an issue as I am a bit larger than average. Honestly when I left she was on the maybe repeat list, but after thinking about it some more she is on my definite repeat list, fortunately I will be back in November.

Body - 8 Face - 8 Skills - 8.5 Attitude - 9.

After a solid experience with Amy I headed back to SW a couple days later to sample from the well again. I think was a Wednesday around 3 or 4. Lineup was not as strong as Sunday afternoon or perhaps more girls engaged. I would have taken Amy again, but she wasn't there. Ended up choosing Nonay (I may be recalling her spelling differently). She was on the younger side for SW 22 or 24 I think so still had that everything tight body. I can't recall if she had a kid or not, but no notable baby damage. She was fairly new to the job just a couple of weeks as I recall so still on the shy side which was sort of adorable. I only took the hour option and was looking for just 1 round. Normal routine of shower then on to bed for the action. BJ needs some practice but she had good potential. Went through a few positions and she was decent in all. Asked about a+ but she had already noted I was on the large size for her so it was a no go which was fine for me this time, but something to remember for the future in that confirming when selecting the girl is a good idea. I likely could have pushed the issue, but was happy to have her get back on top and work for it. I think I am getting lazy, haha. Finished up and she gave me a little massage then shower. I wouldn't repeat, but I enjoyed my time. Body - 6.5 Face - 7 Skills - 6 Attitude - 7.

Sorry for posting all these in a row, I got to writing this week at work and then had everything ready to upload.

After reading some posts on New Massage I headed over to 33 and found the shop easily next to Dream Heaven. One downside to 33 is that there is less you can see from a walk through than on 24 and 24/1 which is more difficult for me since I still rarely walk out when the selection isn't optimal. Got the lineup and it was ok, but nothing really jumped out at me. In retrospect I should have stopped by Mitu and checked the ipad for who was available and taken a stronger look at the girls outside dream heaven since I was right there. But I wanted to try the new place so chose Yue, a tiny SYT. I didn't specify just thai massage so got the nuru option 1900 THB. Standard fair in the room for this places. She did a decent body slide and it was fun with the gel, but generally I find the gel limits the ability to get good traction in some positions like doggy. One thing I do enjoy at these places are the thin walls. I have probably watched too much porn but honestly hearing a girl get pounded in one of the next rooms is a real turn on. Same thing happens at some of the Macao saunas and I always find it fun. Is also always a good way to have a smile with your girl as well as was this case. No baby damage, but I think there had been one kid, she was young so recovered. Again had a good time, but wasn't impressed with anything that would make me return to the shop. At the end though they did a smart thing where they had business cards and she wrote her name on it. Something I wish more shops would follow and is a good keepsake, haha. Body - 6 Face - 7 Skills - 6 Attitude - 7.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1940562]Ended up choosing Nonay (I may be recalling her spelling differently). She was on the younger side for SW 22 or 24 I think so still had that everything tight body. I can't recall if she had a kid or not, but no notable baby damage. She was fairly new to the job just a couple of weeks as I recall[/QUOTE]She told me the same thing 4 months ago!

Hahaha, well she is keeping up the act well. Points for her execution.

[QUOTE=*****man;1940690]She told me the same thing 4 months ago![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1940407]I also reviewed Ae:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1923296&viewfull=1#post1923296[/URL]

I was marking the body a bit lower at 6 and BBBJ only 7 otherwise similar. I also commented she was a wildcat that tended to bite and claw a bit. Did you experience that too, or maybe he has cooled off after working for a while?[/QUOTE]She was spicy but she didn't bite or claw. Her body is nice for me because I don't mind stretchmarks. And her belly is flat, and she has a nice but! Her BBBJ was OK but I gave her better score for everything together. She was very energetic.

I went twice to Cherry but my first girl is not there any more so I will not write about her. She was very good, but what's the point.

I popped there again few weeks ago. I saw Yok outside and I remembered her from the good reviews. She is a little bit different from the photos but nothing drastic.

She has a nice face and ass, but a small belly with stretchmarks. She asked if I am OK with her so I said lets go. She has the best English level. Of all the ladies so far I had.

We took a shower together and jumped in the bed. She started to massage me but soon she went for my "willy". She has good skills and is not shy. She rimmed me a little bit, then she turned me and I popped in her mouth. She sucked all but she did spit it out. (just to mention it).

Then she massaged me some more for I while but after a while she started to arouse me with kisses, licks and bites. She did BBBJ for I while but she put on a rubber and jumped on me. She changed few positions and was pretty good at it. This was my second pop.

She continued with a massage and I thought that she will ask for us to take a shower and finish but she grabbed me again. She sucked me for a while and then she put on a rubber again. I went straight for her ass. I took her doggy and then turned.

I can say that she gave me the best time so far I ever had. And probably will repeat. I think she is type of a lady that is open to everything.

So: Body- 7 Face- 7 Skills- 9 Attitude- 9.5 (I don't want to give a 10 just in case I find a perfect one!

M Samuel,

A couple of points. You really should not stay in a shop regardless of whether you like a girl or not. That sounds so weak. You have to be prepared to enter multiple shops till a girl really interests you. How many times did I write that I looked in umpteen shops till I found a girl of interest.

2nd point is you said nothing about the shop indicated you should return. Its really about whether the girl is to be repeated or not. The shop doesn't mater much unless there is a serious problem or you are looking for services that the shop does not provide.

I thought the shop rooms were superior and have no problems with the shop at all. It's merely a case of finding the girl to suit you.

Yes you should have looked in Mitu and Dream Heaven since they are so close.

Just my opinions and how I think. In my Mitu visit, I was interested to try Coco but she wasn't working that day so I moved on.

Time of visit to an MP is all important to see the best line up. Just after 5pm is probably best.

It's definitely a personal hangup on my part to not walk out unless I really find nothing of interest, so I do walk out but not as often as I probably should. But I also think of it this way, there have been plenty of times where I find the "perfect looking" girl for me and she dissapoints so I figure taking a girl that maybe would not have been my first or 2nd choice is a good way to try something different and has served me well. Is sorta like an application of Nash's theorem of not taking the hottest girl as she is always taken but to take the slightly less hot friend as she will be a better result for you. I absolutely agree though that everyone should be prepared to shop around when they go looking, just something I need to work on.

Maybe I should have put it a different way regarding the shop. Girl was fun, service was good, staff was friendly and I would consider it among many others on a return it just didn't wow me in any way to think that yes this is absolutely on the top of my list the next time around. I didn't find the rooms to be any different than any of the other shops, but I definitely don't have your breadth of knowledge so possible I may have just been lucky and repeating the same places. But like many of these places, the fact that girls change and the operation was smooth means it's worth a visit again, I will try closer to 5 as you suggest. I definitely like to have a lot of selection, which is probably why I like the gogos where I see 100+ girls in a night to select 1. I do appreciate the report though on New Massage from you, I had a good time and otherwise I probably wouldn't have even been down 33 this trip.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1941379]M Samuel,

A couple of points. You really should not stay in a shop regardless of whether you like a girl or not. That sounds so weak. You have to be prepared to enter multiple shops till a girl really interests you. How many times did I write that I looked in umpteen shops till I found a girl of interest.

2nd point is you said nothing about the shop indicated you should return. Its really about whether the girl is to be repeated or not. The shop doesn't mater much unless there is a serious problem or you are looking for services that the shop does not provide.

I thought the shop rooms were superior and have no problems with the shop at all. It's merely a case of finding the girl to suit you.

Yes you should have looked in Mitu and Dream Heaven since they are so close.

Just my opinions and how I think. In my Mitu visit, I was interested to try Coco but she wasn't working that day so I moved on.

Time of visit to an MP is all important to see the best line up. Just after 5pm is probably best.[/QUOTE]

Quick clarification from my 2 SW reports. I apparantly spelled the names wrong of both girls. I didn't realize the website was back up or I would have cross referenced first. On the website my Amy = Emmy and Nonay = Nonny. Sorry for any confusion.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1941620]Quick clarification from my 2 SW reports. I apparantly spelled the names wrong of both girls. I didn't realize the website was back up or I would have cross referenced first. On the website my Amy = Emmy and Nonay = Nonny. Sorry for any confusion.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, even the Thais come up with really stupid spellings of their own Nicknames, Thai officials can't spell in English Thai official names, or shops come up with silly spellings of working names.

As example, W sound is usually spelled with a V in English, even though V sound does not exist in Thai language, hence Sukhumwit road is normally spelled Sukhumvit. Really silly.

For Thai Ch and J sounds, spellings in English often swap the two. Abhisit Vijajiva (ex prime minister) last name should be spelled something like Wichachiwa.

Thai girls in an MP typically use working names that are either Thai names, English names or Japanese names. In the case of Nonny, it is not obviously a Thai name to me, unless spelled in a funny way. Could be Noo-Nee, the prefix Noo (rhymes with Too) means little one (or literally means mouse). However the name may not be intended to be Thai at all. I believe Nonny or Noni can be western names.

The bottom line, is we have to guess a spelling that approximates what we hear of the name. The Thais just guess spelling to.

One girl I know has name Oom (Rhymes with last syllable of Magnesium), yet she spells it Aum. Puzzling to me.

I decided to visit Orient Massage today. I was looking for Tan because she is a nymph with a hot body / face. Didn't see her but I saw another girl that I have good rapport with, Donut. Lots of DFK with this one awhile ago, and she is actually rather beautiful, especially for an oily massage girl. But her bed side manner wasn't up the standards of most other girls, eg: just not as skilled at FS so it was a bit of a struggle last time. However, that was some months ago, and upon seeing her today I figured she probably got better skills on the bed by now. So she takes me up stairs. Rather usual procedure, shower, massage, (declined covered BJ), sex. I think I recall her giving BBBJ before, this time she asked if I wanted a blowjob and pointed to a condom. I think she will give BBBJ if you ask for no condom, maybe. Of course YMMV. I declined BJ this time because I already had a good one at Miss BJ, and I know Donut (really most Thai P4 P girls) doesn't have the best BJ skills so why bother.

Her and the other girls pics are at Orient Massage's website (easy to find on google). Donut's pics are too photoshoped, however she probably looks better in person. Unless your spec is ultra white skin.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1941469]It's definitely a personal hangup on my part to not walk out unless I really find nothing of interest, so I do walk out but not as often as I probably should.[/QUOTE]My best P4 P experiences are due to walking in and out of several shops. I am able to run into some gorgeous stunners this way at the Ratachda Soapies (well, this was in 2012, not sure what their situation is now). Like I would walk into one, it would be okay, not bad. Could find a girl that is do-able, sure. But there wasn't one that was making my balls drop immediately, which well hey. If I'm paying in both cash and limited shots, I'm going to shop around a few more local shops at minimum.

These soapy management aren't my friends so I owe them nothing in obligations. What are they going to do, shoot me because I didn't buy something this time? Granted, I don't like to keep returning to a shop and walking out. I'll limit myself to doing that to 2 times in a row and won't go back for awhile if they are struggling for available talent.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1941794]Rather usual procedure, shower, massage, (declined covered BJ), sex. I think I recall her giving BBBJ before, this time she asked if I wanted a blowjob and pointed to a condom. I think she will give BBBJ if you ask for no condom, maybe. Of course YMMV.[/QUOTE]I tried out another place down Soi 19. Asok Massage ([URL]http://www.gdiary.com/store/massage/asok-massage-soi19/[/URL]). This place has been renamed back to its original name after being called 19th Hole ASK Massage for a while. I have passed by this place a number of times on my way to Terminal 21 and after peeping in a number of times had come to call the place "Aunty Massage" for the 30 yo+ ladies. I have even overheard the Japanese guys making similar references to the staff. However a week ago after the name change I peeped in to see if there were any changes. Asked the mama-san that has always been there if there was any young talent without baby. To my surprise she came up with a real cutie. 20 yo Cartoon (website is wrong on the age). Cutie face. Tallish. Went for a 90 min session at 2300 b. Back in the room she unwrapped to reveal a superb package. Completely natural. Lighter skin, no tattoos and a trim perfectly-proportioned frame with lovely gravity-defiant slightly puffy pink-nippled Bcup tits. Won-der-ful. The session was pretty much a disappointment, though. First, no kissing. So I kissed her puffy pinks and then made my way down to her well-trimmed muff and licked her to nice orgasm. When I looked up at her, I gave her the thumbs-up and she replied back a smiley shy "kaaa". Then it was my turn and she goes for the condom. I gave her the "no way", I just licked your pussy raw, why do you think I would entertain anything less for my sex organ? She thought about that a second and went down on me, but it was half-hearted at best. Okay, I thought, let's get on with things. On with the bag and into her tight pink box, which was just lovely. Got the job done and got out. Rest of the roster is aunties, so will only avail again if another sweetie is recruited.

I am really dismayed about hearing more and more, and experiencing more and more, girls who simply don't wish to provide oral services. Taking out kissing and bare fellatio really reduces a session to not much more than fucking a live blow up doll. You can stick it in my hole and not much more. Anyway, this is the game. Keep trying. Keep seeking. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1941909]Anyway, this is the game. Keep trying. Keep seeking. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]When you are paying that kind of money, it should not be a "game" and you should not have to "try. " That's the point of going to an oily.

When Gogo gals were 1 k (25 USD) then yes, it was a game. Now that you are paying well over 100 USD it is no longer a game.

Punters here need to adopt the Chinese mentality. In HK et al, if the Chinese dude does not get good service the mamasan gets and earful and the place and the gal get bad reviews online. It is very bad for their business. Also you rarely get a gal with baby damage there. Dudes won't stand for it. Guys need to demand more and walk when they don't get it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1942049]When you are paying that kind of money, it should not be a "game" and you should not have to "try. " That's the point of going to an oily.
[/QUOTE]Is there really any place where you cannot get a girl that is a definite non repeat. I mean a place where all girls are good enough to repeat.

I think every shop has girls that were not up to standard even Tulip. I have had non repeat girls at Mango and Snow White too. A top girl for some customers was a non repeat for me. Does not mean that the service was really bad, but lacked something.

I do recall Vodka at Cherry Massage was really bad.

I get a bad girl like Vodka. Sure a bit pissed off. No idea why she was so bad. Maybe too tired and damaged. Over worked. Maybe the previous customer gave her a pounding.

Would the shop allow girls to go home if they don't feel up to it? I doubt it. These Oilies are not perfect.

I did not get any significant kissing from a Snow White girl. No repeat. Should they get rid of the girl? She was popular for some reason.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1942060]Is there really any place where you cannot get a girl that is a definite non repeat. I mean a place where all girls are good enough to repeat.

I think every shop has girls that were not up to standard even Tulip. I have had non repeat girls at Mango and Snow White too. A top girl for some customers was a non repeat for me. Does not mean that the service was really bad, but lacked something.

I do recall Vodka at Cherry Massage was really bad.

I get a bad girl like Vodka. Sure a bit pissed off. No idea why she was so bad. Maybe too tired and damaged. Over worked. Maybe the previous customer gave her a pounding.

Would the shop allow girls to go home if they don't feel up to it? I doubt it. These Oilies are not perfect.

I did not get any significant kissing from a Snow White girl. No repeat. Should they get rid of the girl? She was popular for some reason.[/QUOTE]They should have standards. Barons and early Tulip did a pretty good job of keeping performance standards high. Should someone be fired for not providing a service they are supposed to? Not the first time, but if it is a pattern, then by all means. Performance standards at Mango and SW are far off what they used to be. Tulip and Bongkot are still pretty good. Both owned by Saeng I might note, Unfortunately the looks standard at all of them have slipped.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1942049]Punters here need to adopt the Chinese mentality. In HK et al, if the Chinese dude does not get good service the mamasan gets and earful and the place and the gal get bad reviews online. It is very bad for their business. Also you rarely get a gal with baby damage there. Dudes won't stand for it. Guys need to demand more and walk when they don't get it.[/QUOTE]Be careful what you wish for. Not in HK specifically, but I've been to venues in other parts of Asia where service standards are uniform, but while all the girls tick the minimum of the boxes so you cannot complain, they do absolutely nothing more and the attitude is barely passable. So bland that I always wish I jerked off instead, and out of 5 sessions at a venue I cannot remember a single one. Uniformity basically means going for the lowest common denominator, and even disallowing truly great service as the punter is likely to be disappointed next time (same as you don't want a restaurant giving extra generous portions occasionally, since next time the patron will complain). I get a sense that punters complaining too much leads to that sort of uniformity.

Part of the beauty of Thai scene was the quantity with on average decent attitudes (plus, as you said, an occasional dud didn't matter at $25/ pop), but more importantly, the open-ended feeling about the whole scene, with an occasional gem which made the hunt worthwhile. You're also right that at $100/ pop everything changes, and the only satisfactory session is what used to be the top 20% in the old times.

As for the oilies, of course, it's good for to have consistent standards, but I'd rather suffer an occasional dud than a complete lack of exceptional sessions. Sometimes the chemistry is not there, and there's not much you can do about it.

While the standards have slipped somewhat, and some sessions just don't feel great, so far, I can't say I ever had an actual dud in the PSE oilies (except once at Snow White with CD, but it was obvious within the first 10 minutes, and they gave me a refund, and the next time I went she was no longer there).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1942079]
As for the oilies, of course, it's good for to have consistent standards, but I'd rather suffer an occasional dud than a complete lack of exceptional sessions. Sometimes the chemistry is not there, and there's not much you can do about it.

While the standards have slipped somewhat, and some sessions just don't feel great, so far, I can't say I ever had an actual dud in the PSE oilies (except once at Snow White with CD, but it was obvious within the first 10 minutes, and they gave me a refund, and the next time I went she was no longer there).[/QUOTE]For me there is a big difference between a girl just going through the motions and a girl that is really into the sex or able to appear so. I know other guys just want services.

My ideal is a girl that has some skills and is also into it. I got lucky like that with J J at Addict. She was not stunning but above average and she was enthusiastic and a very superb 69 or BBBJ. She has left the shop now. So no one else there has measured up so far. Have now found a fun MP girl with good face, body, some skills and fun. Just one new one found in recent times. It is not easy to find them, quite contrary to expecting every girl to be great. Only two longer term regular MP girls remain. The rest disappeared or I forgot them. Even those two regulars were not sessioned for a significant time.

Also only one freelancer tried recently was good enough to repeat. I think it is due to lack of time to build chemistry before the fuck.

Even most of my regular bar girls either left the job or have been away a long time. Have to contact 4 remaining girls privately now. This is good because avoids barfines and drinks. Found a couple of new bargirls in Billboard and Twisters. Both were very good GFE. Perhaps my Suzi Wong girl will find a new bar soon. She is a really horny type. Multiple cums for her.

I try to take girls that do not fuck too much. Not 8 times a day. That way there is a good chance they will be horny and looking forward to the fuck. Try to get girl as her first session of the day when she is fresh. At least 80% of the time I am the first customer for the day and sometimes first customer for several days. Also I repeat girls that like kissing and like sex. Cum is possible for these girls, not always.

I like to build chemistry first before fucking. This is possible only in certain environments but favours bar girls. After many years of mongering my success rate in choosing girls at a bar has improved. I have stopped letting my dick do the thinking. I am rejecting girls where the chemistry is not working. This means I have had very few complete duds this year from a bar. Only 2 that I can recall at the moment, and in hindsight maybe I should have recognised the chemistry was not quite right. Both from cart bars. This means I have been pulling the trigger far less. I am prepared to move on or even miss out sometimes.

I think it requires some level of patience to find the most ideal girls in P4 P. Can't just go to a shop grab a girl and expect fireworks as the standard norm.

So I like to have time to watch and study girls to try to see aspects of the personality. Talk to them if possible. When seeing the line up in an MP I like to make a joke or two to see how the girls react. Talk for a reasonable period of time when possible (in a bar). Make sure they are fresh and not too drunk. Make sure the body seems good.

There are no guarantees for a great GFE experience, but I really try for this. Still trying to work out how to get best GFEs from freelancers. I probably need a bit more experience in this mode of P4 P. Was very hard to choose a girl in Thermae. Maybe I have to be prepared to chat to several of them before deciding on a target.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1942097]For me there is a big difference between a girl just going through the motions and a girl that is really into the sex or able to appear so. I know other guys just want services.

My ideal is a girl that has some skills and is also into it. I got lucky like that with J J at Addict. She was not stunning but above average and she was enthusiastic and a very superb 69 or BBBJ. She has left the shop now. So no one else there has measured up so far. Have now found a fun MP girl with good face, body, some skills and fun. Just one new one found in recent times. It is not easy to find them, quite contrary to expecting every girl to be great. Only two longer term regular MP girls remain. The rest disappeared or I forgot them. Even those two regulars were not sessioned for a significant time.

Also only one freelancer tried recently was good enough to repeat. I think it is due to lack of time to build chemistry before the fuck.

Even most of my regular bar girls either left the job or have been away a long time. Have to contact 4 remaining girls privately now. This is good because avoids barfines and drinks. Found a couple of new bargirls in Billboard and Twisters. Both were very good GFE. Perhaps my Suzi Wong girl will find a new bar soon. She is a really horny type. Multiple cums for her.

I try to take girls that do not fuck too much. Not 8 times a day. That way there is a good chance they will be horny and looking forward to the fuck. Try to get girl as her first session of the day when she is fresh. At least 80% of the time I am the first customer for the day and sometimes first customer for several days. Also I repeat girls that like kissing and like sex. Cum is possible for these girls, not always.

I like to build chemistry first before fucking. This is possible only in certain environments but favours bar girls. After many years of mongering my success rate in choosing girls at a bar has improved. I have stopped letting my dick do the thinking. I am rejecting girls where the chemistry is not working. This means I have had very few complete duds this year from a bar. Only 2 that I can recall at the moment, and in hindsight maybe I should have recognised the chemistry was not quite right. Both from cart bars. This means I have been pulling the trigger far less. I am prepared to move on or even miss out sometimes.

I think it requires some level of patience to find the most ideal girls in P4 P. Can't just go to a shop grab a girl and expect fireworks as the standard norm.

So I like to have time to watch and study girls to try to see aspects of the personality. Talk to them if possible. When seeing the line up in an MP I like to make a joke or two to see how the girls react. Talk for a reasonable period of time when possible (in a bar). Make sure they are fresh and not too drunk. Make sure the body seems good.

There are no guarantees for a great GFE experience, but I really try for this. Still trying to work out how to get best GFEs from freelancers. I probably need a bit more experience in this mode of P4 P. Was very hard to choose a girl in Thermae. Maybe I have to be prepared to chat to several of them before deciding on a target.[/QUOTE]

Into it? Yes, of course that is far better. But if she is a good actress; that will suffice. And I do expect them to be good actresses.

I really don't think it should require any patience with shops. It's a service and like any other service there are certain expectations. I do expect fireworks to be standard. For many years they were. Why? Because most punters demanded it. Now guys are more apt to let poor performance slide.

A while back I took a gal at a PSE shop and when we got to the room and she peeled the baby damage was just way too much for me; so I called off the session. I felt bad for the gal, but frankly I was appalled that management allow someone in that shape to work and I was not going to pay for something I was not going to enjoy. Again, in HK or China you would never have to worry about this as there is a screening process. A gal like that would not be working in a shop. And again, if guys were pickier then these shops would get the message we would see better talent.

Chemistry? It helps, but should not be essential for good service, especially in a shop. Can see it more with a BG or with a FL, but at an oily or soapy, not so much. I have chemistry with my GF. Don't want to put forth the effort with a P4P gal. I am paying for it so I don't have to put in the effort.
A friend said it best about 13 years ago. "Guys don't come to Thailand to f### P4P girls; they come here to date P4P girls." I think there is a lot of truth in that.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1942108]
A friend said it best about 13 years ago. "Guys don't come to Thailand to f### P4P girls; they come here to date P4P girls." I think there is a lot of truth in that.[/QUOTE]Not sure I understand the point of this comment. Depends on what you mean by a date.

A date tends to imply you want to spend time with a girl, and sex is only a bonus if you get it, and perhaps you are trying to get a GF.

I don't look for a GF. I just want to pay and have some sexual fun. Its just a sex encounter but is more than a hole to fuck.

Thailand is a place of ambiguity. Do you find sometimes girls looking for a sexual sort of date and making money maybe just a bonus for them. Somes girls are even looking for a BF.

Also if the chemistry with a girl is extremely good you could find yourself wanting to spend a lot of time with the girl. I have in past taken a girl on multi day holiday and had a fantastic time not purely sex alone. However this in not usually the main focus of mongering.

One of my past P4 P girls crept into an ambiguous category where I paid her monthly amounts like her apartment rent etc. Rather than per sex sessions. However was getting value and she seemed to like fucking. I did become rather hooked in that there was weak interest to fuck other girls at the time. Having her as a GF seemed not totally out of the question other than fully supporting her would be too costly in her circumstances.

Normal scenario however is just go pay the money and fuck the girl. I would hardly call that a date, no matter how much both parties managed to enjoy themselves.

So I need a girl who is into the fucking somewhat but I don't see it as a date at all, for normal P4 P sessions. Girls that are obviously not inro the sex get boring very quickly and repeat becomes unlikely for me. Starfish or stiff siezed up legs is the extreme case of not into it. No one wants that.

In my home country it is a waste of money ro fuck a non asian hooker. Too costly and they are too procedural. Only 10% are any good, well last time I tried which was many years ago. There is no fun. Better to take a wank for free.

If I contact girls on LINE then it is for fuck. If rhey contact me it is for sane reason (read money), it is faintly possible girl is also horny. These are not really dates.

Do girls at Candy provide anal? I don't understand Thai and it becomes hard to ask at the counter.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1875637]She looks Korean to me with cute little tits and slim body. I would certainly find that refreshing along with a winning attitude.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TempStories;1943135]Do girls at Candy provide anal? I don't understand Thai and it becomes hard to ask at the counter.[/QUOTE]What do you mean but this,"it becomes hard to ask at the counter. " ? Do you mean that you are embarrassed? Don't be dude, These girls have heard it all before. Go in to see all the girls and put your hand up and say "Who do A plus", They will understand.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1938520]Corrected link:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1522203&viewfull=1#post1522203[/url][/QUOTE]To Syzgies.

I saw Angie 2 month ago I was at Thermae having a beer a stunner come in with shorts with that rose tattoo in the leg she also added a tattoo on her lower back, I told myself that is Angie I was one of the lucky one that try her at Cherry a few yr ago during the shutdown in Bangkok, she still have that nice body and I try to approach her a Japanese cut in front of me and got her before I can talk to her, there are many hot model type girls that night want 2500-3000 bht for ST most are freelance part timer looking for extra bucks.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1943322]To Syzgies.

I saw Angie 2 month ago I was at Thermae having a beer a stunner come in with shorts with that rose tattoo in the leg she also added a tattoo on her lower back, I told myself that is Angie I was one of the lucky one that try her at Cherry a few yr ago during the shutdown in Bangkok, she still have that nice body and I try to approach her a Japanese cut in front of me and got her before I can talk to her, there are many hot model type girls that night want 2500-3000 bht for ST most are freelance part timer looking for extra bucks.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Many hot model types? Sounds a bit optimistic. There are not many to Angie's standard of looks, normally none to her standard I think if take face and body. It is not surprising that a customer would grab her very quickly.

Well done to recall her tatoo. I could not do that. Too old and memory fades.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1943322]To Syzgies.

I saw Angie 2 month ago I was at Thermae having a beer a stunner come in with shorts with that rose tattoo in the leg she also added a tattoo on her lower back, I told myself that is Angie I was one of the lucky one that try her at Cherry a few yr ago during the shutdown in Bangkok, she still have that nice body and I try to approach her a Japanese cut in front of me and got her before I can talk to her, there are many hot model type girls that night want 2500-3000 bht for ST most are freelance part timer looking for extra bucks.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]If you talk about the Angie that was on the Cherry's website, she still works in BKK and you can get her for less than 2500. She 's got a great body but she is very lazy.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1943514]If you talk about the Angie that was on the Cherry's website, she still works in BKK and you can get her for less than 2500. She 's got a great body but she is very lazy.[/QUOTE]And how would we do that? Are you just trying to tease?

Yes we did see written she works in Bangkok and has been known to go to Thermae, however usually not there.

Some of us do not look for exceptional services and don't even care if the girl is lazy. I service girls more than they service me. LOL Go with the flow type of girls are just fine for me.

We are talking about a girl that worked in Cherry very early in 2014, with a 10 points stunning body. I hope you refer to the same one. I don't remember if she used to be on Cherry web site now. Certainly not for some time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1943605]And how would we do that? Are you just trying to tease?

Yes we did see written she works in Bangkok and has been known to go to Thermae, however usually not there.

Some of us do not look for exceptional services and don't even care if the girl is lazy. I service girls more than they service me. LOL Go with the flow type of girls are just fine for me.

We are talking about a girl that worked in Cherry very early in 2014, with a 10 points stunning body. I hope you refer to the same one. I don't remember if she used to be on Cherry web site now. Certainly not for some time.[/QUOTE]I talk about the one that FastEddy48 talked about. That's why I did not reply to your previous posts about a girl named Angie, because I don't know if you talk about her. Fasteddy48 talked about the rose tattoo and the one on her lower back so I'm sure she is the one that I talk about. And now she's got big boobs also. Just check the Momo Massage's website, I think her name is Angie there also. She definitely used to work at Cherry as she is a friend of BB. Call them and book her if you want her as she is the type of girl that does not go to work everyday.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1943408]Many hot model types? Sounds a bit optimistic. There are not many to Angie's standard of looks, normally none to her standard I think if take face and body. It is not surprising that a customer would grab her very quickly.

Well done to recall her tatoo. I could not do that. Too old and memory fades.[/QUOTE]To Syzygies.

I didn't even have a chance to buy her a drink or said Hello, ,there are many hot girl there that night Thermae is a hit and miss and the Japanese will paid high price for the model type, Angie only work at Cherry for 2 month a few yr ago I will for sure take her again for 2500 bht she still have that hot body.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1943617]I talk about the one that FastEddy48 talked about. That's why I did not reply to your previous posts about a girl named Angie, because I don't know if you talk about her. Fasteddy48 talked about the rose tattoo and the one on her lower back so I'm sure she is the one that I talk about. And now she's got big boobs also. Just check the Momo Massage's website, I think her name is Angie there also. She definitely used to work at Cherry as she is a friend of BB. Call them and book her if you want her as she is the type of girl that does not go to work everyday.[/QUOTE]I looked at the pic of Angie at Momo web site. Angie appears to have a good body but the face does not match Angie from Cherry at all. Its not same Angie. Angie from Cherry was significantly prettier. Angie Momo is not really my type for the face.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1943772]the face does not match Angie from Cherry at all. Its not same Angie. Angie from Cherry was significantly prettier.[/QUOTE]Indeed she is the one that worked at cherry and had her pic on their website. She might not be the girl that you talk about though. She 's got a great body, worked at cherry for a small amount of time, even the story of working in a model agency does match as she told me she was a "pretty" that makes advertisement for beers (the girls that wear the green uniform Chang or Heineken) in some Thai bars. If you really want meet that previous girl I would recommend you to go check by yourself as these girls can change the look of their face pretty easily.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1943710]To Syzygies.

I didn't even have a chance to buy her a drink or said Hello, ,Angie only work at Cherry for 2 month a few yr ago I will for sure take her again for 2500 bht she still have that hot body.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]The girl that you talk about is the one that works in Momo massage nowadays. Next time you'll be in BKK just book her and you'll receive a much better service than if you go fight and beg for her in Therma, and for less money spent also. That girl is pretty and she knows it, she showed me an app on her phone where she received hundreds of messages daily from a lot of men. And she does not even read them or answer to the guys.

[QUOTE=TempStories;1939438]Did Aom have stretch marks?[/QUOTE]Yes she has, with some fat on her belly and small boobs. She is a small girl with a rather nice face. She also have a child. But her attitude is great, you can see that she likes her job.

[QUOTE=MarcoMorri;1940274]No, her body is perfect.[/QUOTE]I think that some senior member that took your words seriously would probably be mad at you. Her body is far from being perfect. But I agree with you that her attitude is great. I had quite the same experience than you. For the guys that want to take a young girl in Snowwhite and for whom the shape of the body is very important I would recommend to see Ninja instead. She's got great natural boobs, no fat belly, no child and a nice small ass. Her face is not that beautiful but she is a very nice girl. I would add her service was just a little bit less enthusiastic than Aom's.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1943851]The girl that you talk about is the one that works in Momo massage nowadays. Next time you'll be in BKK just book her and you'll receive a much better service than if you go fight and beg for her in Therma, and for less money spent also. That girl is pretty and she knows it, she showed me an app on her phone where she received hundreds of messages daily from a lot of men. And she does not even read them or answer to the guys.[/QUOTE] You can't tell me which girl I talk about. Only the one that you talk about.

Well I am sorry to say the face and body pictured do not match at all, and fall far short. Angie pictured looks rather too skinny, tits are too small, and in light blue bikini, she doesn't look that facially pretty for my taste. I am sure Fast Eddie will back me up on this one. The height may be about right but that is all.

[URL]http://momothonglor.com/mai/angie/[/URL]

Some of the other girl on the web site look attractive to me, like Mali, but not Angie. Angie may well be Japanese taste but not for me. I cannot say if your Angie ever worked for Cherry, but it is certainly not the Angie I knew met at Cherry who was lot more stunning.

I will be in Bangkok in a couple of weeks. Just asking whether anyone has been to the Eden Club recently. I really am in the mood for a threesome. Does Snow White do threesomes?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=LaoMan;1944217]I will be in Bangkok in a couple of weeks. Just asking whether anyone has been to the Eden Club recently. I really am in the mood for a threesome. Does Snow White do threesomes?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I have had 3 somes in lots of the Suk Oilies including Mango, SW and Tulip. The memorable ones were in Tulip with Nancy and Cat and in SW with Momay and EQ.

Hi All,

Nataree was my favorite for long time. I've made approx. 10+ visits, and I would say that 90% were successful. Mainly I was attracted by their fresh huge collection. And prices were also ok, so I would like to know the Best Alternative to Nataree.

Thanks,

Wismar.

Went to candy, paid for 90 min and got the girl in. After bath etc, wanted the girl to suck. She refused BBBJ. I was appalled. Talked to the manager. He said no one will give BBBJ. Only CBJ at Candy. Had bit of back and forth, finally asked him to give me my money back, which he did. Walked out, never going back to Candy.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;1943319]What do you mean but this,"it becomes hard to ask at the counter. " ? Do you mean that you are embarrassed? Don't be dude, These girls have heard it all before. Go in to see all the girls and put your hand up and say "Who do A plus", They will understand.[/QUOTE]

Had her. Her body is too good, especially her young boobs and curvy waist. Took her for 90 min. I am desperate for anal. Had asked her upfront itself. After 30 min of BBBJ, entered her pussy for 5 min. Spent rest of my time inside her ass only. I think she truly opened up. In the end, I was very satisfied. She was not feeling as good. Said that she is still not as strong. I felt bit sorry for her at the same time, she never complained while I was thumping her. Finally, someone was required to open her backdoor properly. Surely WIR.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1941620]Quick clarification from my 2 SW reports. I apparantly spelled the names wrong of both girls. I didn't realize the website was back up or I would have cross referenced first. On the website my Amy = Emmy and Nonay = Nonny. Sorry for any confusion.[/QUOTE]

SW does to 3 some. I had taken Ninja few days back. Did anal with her for 90 min. Very young body and boobs to play with. She was suggesting 2 girl play. You can try that.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;1944249]I have had 3 somes in lots of the Suk Oilies including Mango, SW and Tulip. The memorable ones were in Tulip with Nancy and Cat and in SW with Momay and EQ.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wismar;1944266]Hi All,

Nataree was my favorite for long time. I've made approx. 10+ visits, and I would say that 90% were successful. Mainly I was attracted by their fresh huge collection. And prices were also ok, so I would like to know the Best Alternative to Nataree.

Thanks,

Wismar.[/QUOTE]Mine too so I wish I could tell you because I will be in that area in late December. All current reports are much appreciated Gents.

[QUOTE=Wismar;1944266]Hi All,

Nataree was my favorite for long time. I've made approx. 10+ visits, and I would say that 90% were successful. Mainly I was attracted by their fresh huge collection. And prices were also ok, so I would like to know the Best Alternative to Nataree.

Thanks,

Wismar.[/QUOTE]I don't think anybody knows what the best alternative is for Nataree massage. Because 'best' depends on your personal likes and dislikes. What's best for you might not be best for another guy.

I found a review of Nataree massage along with a number of other massage places in Bangkok by the same guy. These reviews are from a couple of years ago. And according to this guy, Nataree wasn't the best. Copa Cabana and Emannuell were better.

[URL]http://www.thailandsoapy.com/[/URL]

The fact that 90% of your experiences were good at Nataree massage might mean that you are easy for ladies to please. And if that's the case, then you might do just as well at some other massage place.

I'd say that many guys are hard for women to please, because these guys stay passive with their lady and expect her to be the baddie. Which isn't a natural way for women to behave. This is like a reversal of sex-roles. And it's no surprise that a lot of women aren't good this way with their guys. Your success rate in such a situation is more likely to be 20-30%, rather than 90%.

To get that 90% success rate, you need to stay within your traditional male sex-role and go after the lady with your pole. It's like you just want to grope the sexy chick to foreplay her for your dick. Then turn around and pound. And you don't care about her skill. Because you just want to get behind her and drill.

[QUOTE=Wismar;1944266]
Nataree was my favorite for long time. I've made approx. 10+ visits, and I would say that 90% were successful. Mainly I was attracted by their fresh huge collection. And prices were also ok, so I would like to know the Best Alternative to Nataree.
[/QUOTE]Nataree was a unique hybrid of a massage parlor combining elements of a soapy with that of an oilie. There was nothing fancy about the place or the rooms (oilie). It had a huge lineup (soapy) of mainly young girls (oily) which was its main attraction. It really was something to behold all the girls sitting around the lounge room smiling at you as you walked by, hoping you would select one of them. The girls for the most part provided simple, straight forward, Thai style sex (oilie). I had some sweet times there and repeated with a few of the girls although no Nataree girl ever broke into my top 5. Currently I do not know of any place that is quite like Nataree, but I think you should probably give Addicts a try. They have a much smaller lineup than Nataree, that is the major difference, but they do have some cute young girls. Get a room with a tub and you should be happy. Unlike Nataree, the best time to go to Addicts is in the afternoon between 3:30 and 5.

[QUOTE=TempStories;1944393]Went to candy, paid for 90 min and got the girl in. After bath etc, wanted the girl to suck. She refused BBBJ. I was appalled. Talked to the manager. He said no one will give BBBJ. Only CBJ at Candy. Had bit of back and forth, finally asked him to give me my money back, which he did. Walked out, never going back to Candy.[/QUOTE]Candy was closed for a time and appears to have opened with a new owner. Twas a Japanese guy outside the other day beckoning me to come in. No longer a PSE place for sure. Too bad guys accept CBJs. If all customers were like you, then we would have fewer performance issues.

[QUOTE=TempStories;1944394]Had her. Her body is too good, especially her young boobs and curvy waist. Took her for 90 min. I am desperate for anal. Had asked her upfront itself. After 30 min of BBBJ, entered her pussy for 5 min. Spent rest of my time inside her ass only. I think she truly opened up. In the end, I was very satisfied. She was not feeling as good. Said that she is still not as strong. I felt bit sorry for her at the same time, she never complained while I was thumping her. Finally, someone was required to open her backdoor properly. Surely WIR.[/QUOTE]Hi Temp, So no baby damage on that body at all? I am going to have to start culling when I go to shops. Going to start asking the mamasans to remove the gals with kids from the line up, then the gals that won't provide MSOG, won't rim, and won't CIM. Anal is optional but preferred. If anyone is left to my liking I will choose. If not I walk. We really should not put up with substandard looks or performance. If biz drops enough they will get the message. Too many dudes simply are to shy to complain or to ask about what they want. It's your money guys. You are the customer.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1944907]Hi Temp, So no baby damage on that body at all? I am going to have to start culling when I go to shops. Going to start asking the mamasans to remove the gals with kids from the line up, then the gals that won't provide MSOG, won't rim, and won't CIM. Anal is optional but preferred. If anyone is left to my liking I will choose. If not I walk. We really should not put up with substandard looks or performance. If biz drops enough they will get the message. Too many dudes simply are to shy to complain or to ask about what they want. It's your money guys. You are the customer.[/QUOTE]So you are saying that you don't actually do what you keep telling us to do? Why so shy to ask about what you want? I always ask the mamasan to point out the girls with no baby. Quite easy, and never a fuss from mama to cull the herd. I accept the reality that many shops employ such girls (this is not Hong Kong or whatever other fantastic venues that employ only perfect girls), so I take the extra step. Don't know about your riot list of other criteria, but since you are seasoned pro, why not make a little laminated "tick card" with all of your requirements in Thai language? Then you can show it to the mamasan and she can pass it around to the girls for clarity of understanding. Yes. You should do that next time. And you should report on the shops you visit and the girls that you take and the service you experience. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

It's long time from my last trip in BKK.

Last time get very god experience in Mango (2 time with ICE) and Cherry (with Apple).

I know turnover ladies is quite fast.

Which are the ladies can offer now a good (PSE) experience now in BKK?

Sure I speak about oil massage Mango, Cherry, ecc?

In my experience the K point of Threesome is find a good couple of ladies with good feeling.

I will be next week in BKK.

Thank for advise.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1944928]So you are saying that you don't actually do what you keep telling us to do? Why so shy to ask about what you want? I always ask the mamasan to point out the girls with no baby. Quite easy, and never a fuss from mama to cull the herd. I accept the reality that many shops employ such girls (this is not Hong Kong or whatever other fantastic venues that employ only perfect girls), so I take the extra step. Don't know about your riot list of other criteria, but since you are seasoned pro, why not make a little laminated "tick card" with all of your requirements in Thai language? Then you can show it to the mamasan and she can pass it around to the girls for clarity of understanding. Yes. You should do that next time. And you should report on the shops you visit and the girls that you take and the service you experience. [/QUOTE]The laminated card idea is a bit silly (a joke I assume) but I always ask about baby status and whether the girl is A+. I don't think the issue with other guys is that they're shy, but they really don't care about fucking a girl with a spiderweb stomach. Reading their reports you can see the important thing for them is getting a 'little spinner' who moans as he licks her overused minge. Not for me but if that's what those guys want and it keeps the parlors in business then great.

The Snow White manageress is very honest about which girls have babies. Unlike others she'll tell you if the girl has a baby but the damage is not too bad, rather than pretending the girl has no baby. She also encourages the girls to accept A+, although the final decision of course rests with the girl.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1943514]If you talk about the Angie that was on the Cherry's website, she still works in BKK and you can get her for less than 2500. She 's got a great body but she is very lazy.[/QUOTE]To Palolo99.

Not the same girl the Angie we are talking about pic was never on cherry website, she only work for short time only a few weeks part time during the Bangkok shut down a few yr ago, she told me she work for a Thai model agency but cannot find work during the shut down girl like her don't come around a lot and I know she don't last very long in the sauna business only a few ISG member is lucky enough to try her.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1944031]You can't tell me which girl I talk about. Only the one that you talk about.

Well I am sorry to say the face and body pictured do not match at all, and fall far short. Angie pictured looks rather too skinny, tits are too small, and in light blue bikini, she doesn't look that facially pretty for my taste. I am sure Fast Eddie will back me up on this one. The height may be about right but that is all.

[URL]http://momothonglor.com/mai/angie/[/URL]

Some of the other girl on the web site look attractive to me, like Mali, but not Angie. Angie may well be Japanese taste but not for me. I cannot say if your Angie ever worked for Cherry, but it is certainly not the Angie I knew met at Cherry who was lot more stunning.[/QUOTE]To Syzgies.

That is not even closed look like she have a decent body but look and quality is no where near the Angie at Cherry a few years ago.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1944928]So you are saying that you don't actually do what you keep telling us to do? Why so shy to ask about what you want? I always ask the mamasan to point out the girls with no baby. Quite easy, and never a fuss from mama to cull the herd. I accept the reality that many shops employ such girls (this is not Hong Kong or whatever other fantastic venues that employ only perfect girls), so I take the extra step. Don't know about your riot list of other criteria, but since you are seasoned pro, why not make a little laminated "tick card" with all of your requirements in Thai language? Then you can show it to the mamasan and she can pass it around to the girls for clarity of understanding. Yes. You should do that next time. And you should report on the shops you visit and the girls that you take and the service you experience. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Actually in the days when "all girls did everything," all one had to do was take a look at the book and ask the mamasan who did not have a baby. One could be a bit discreet in one's cull and avoid any of the gals losing face. My point is that due to declining quality and the fact that the pics disappeared from all the shops after the one day army shutdown one has to a bit more aggressive and less subtle about one's cull. The card idea is one that has been employed at some of the shops in the past. I like it. Using shapes it would indicate whether the girl, does, doesn't, or might provide a certain service. Many of the shops used these a few years back, but now I think only Boss still has them. Making my own card is a wonderful idea and one I think I might employ.

Perfect? Who said anything about perfect? But what is being offered now at the shops is quite substandard. I believe you still monger around the region. Compared to what is offered in the Jakarta shops, what we have in BKK now is not in the same league and at by far better cost. What percentage of gals in Jakarta outside of Blok M have babies? Very few. Same holds true in HK. The locals won't take them. Punters in BKK have always had to put up with mommies. Not to mention dude's who are paying over 150 USD when it is all said and done for ST with a GoGo gal.

Report on girls? Honestly, except for some recent sessions with Golf at Tulip who is an even better performer than she was in the past and has a rocking body in her mid-30's, I have not had a session that is even worth mentioning. As one poster said awhile back, take the money, go have a great meal, and head home for a wank.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1945171]One could be a bit discreet in one's cull and avoid any of the gals losing face.[/QUOTE]I don't think losing face comes into it. I was concerned about that recently and tried to take the mamasan to one side for a quite chat, but she took me back in front of the girls and loudly pointed 'She no have baby! She have but young girl so can see only little' and so on. None of them 'lost face'. None of them gave a damn. The only way anyone loses face is if the customer is seen as so weak he can't spell out his needs clearly.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1945089]To Palolo99.

Not the same girl the Angie we are talking about pic was never on cherry website

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]OK if pic was never on their website so it's not the same girl. It's my mistake that I thought it's the same girl when you talked about the tattoos. The girl that I talk about has also 1 small rose tattoo near hear left foot and one on her lower back (the style that every girl do on their lower back).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1944031]I cannot say if your Angie ever worked for Cherry.[/QUOTE]It's easy, I googled Angie Cherry massage Bangkok and there are still 2 pic of her from the Cherry's massage twitter. The first one when she just started working there and the one with her red dress after her boob job done. You can see that in the one with the red dress she has nearly the same face than some of the Momo massage's website. I'm telling you that this girl is the one from Momo massage and I thought that it might be the girl that you were talking about. Would be easier if we could see a pic of that wonderful girl that you're talking about.

Guys,

Just one question, if I am ready to shell out 4000-5000 baht which is the best place to go for the best looking girls?

Posiedon? Emmanuelle?

Any help and any directions will be helpful.

My PM is on if there is anything specific you wud like to share.

Tx.

Madass.

[QUOTE=MadAssManiac;1945308]Guys,

Just one question, if I am ready to shell out 4000-5000 baht which is the best place to go for the best looking girls?

Posiedon? Emmanuelle?

Any help and any directions will be helpful.

My PM is on if there is anything specific you wud like to share.

Tx.

Madass.[/QUOTE]I'd say that your best bet is to visit various places and see the ladies for yourself, before you choose someone. Because good-looking ladies are often so busy with guys that you don't get to see them at the time you come. There is some luck involved here. And that's why there is no guarantee that you will find someone you like at at any place and at any time. But you improve your chances of finding someone you like, if you visit several places at different times of the day.

And of course, this kind of thing also depends on how choosy you are. One guy might look at the same group of women that you are looking at and like several of them, but you might not like any one of them. The more choosy you are, the more places you might need to visit, before you find someone you like.

Bigger places with more women might have more good-looking women than smaller places. But then bigger places are better known among guys and they have more customers. Which means that all the good-looking women might already be with guys, by the time you come there. And that's why you shouldn't neglect small places either. They also have good-looking women, and these women might be less busy, than they would be at a bigger place.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1945171]
Report on girls? Honestly, except for some recent sessions with Golf at Tulip who is an even better performer than she was in the past and has a rocking body in her mid-30's, I have not had a session that is even worth mentioning. As one poster said awhile back, take the money, go have a great meal, and head home for a wank.[/QUOTE]I can get something to eat for 30 Baht to 100 Baht, and assist my weight control. I can even cook a great meal myself (for non Thai food). I prefer to save it for a fuck but then I don't have the service requirements (look for GFE).

I certainly cut back on eating out and drinking out, more than I cut back on fucks.

[QUOTE=MadAssManiac;1945308]Guys,

Just one question, if I am ready to shell out 4000-5000 baht which is the best place to go for the best looking girls?

Posiedon? Emmanuelle?

Any help and any directions will be helpful.

My PM is on if there is anything specific you wud like to share.

Tx.

Madass.[/QUOTE]Emmanuelle has gone downhill in my view (far less girls and too many horrid noses). Poseidon was never a big favorite of mine (I preferred nearby Copa Cabana). I would suggest try the Lord and Amsterdam. I am sure Google Maps can help find them.

La Belle is also popular, but not the happiest hunting ground for my taste.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1945388] I am sure Google Maps can help find them.[/QUOTE]I recall a great monger who created a great google map with all the MP and Oilies. LOL.

Hi guys,

I have just arrived in Bangkok today, the Dynasty Grande is my Home base for the next few days. After walking around the Nana area for a while I decided to go to Bamboo Massage to see Cheer, due to some good reports on this Forum. I arrived at the massage parlor at 11 pm, somewhat late for this type of establishment. Cheer wasn't available, she is sick and won't be at the parlor for some time. So I took a look at the other girls and saw a nice girl in a black mini-dress. She said her name is "Za", although I am not absolutely sure I understood her correctly. She said she is 26 yrs old, from Isaan. A slim girl, not skinny but also not in any ways chubby. Mid sized tits, a bit saggy, but I don't care that much about tits anyway (strange, I know). When I asked about A+ she smiled an said "no problem". My kind of Girl. So we went to the room where she started a nice body massage. I'm usually not so much into the Massage part and like to change to the real action quickly but she really took the massage seriously so it was a surprisingly nice experience. She was rally jumping up and down at times, massaging my back with her nice little ass cheeks. She then seamlessly went on to give me a nice, very sensual BBBJ. Afterwards she took a condom and put my best part briefly into her pussy before the A+ action started. I pounded her ass for nearly half an hour in different positions, doggy, cowgirl and others. When I finally fired my shot we had plenty of time left. So the started massaging me again and, after a few minutes, asked me if I want a second shot. I didn't ask her because I thought I stressed her little hole enough already, but she didn't seem to think so, so we started a second round. After I finished my second time, she still didn't want to let me go and continued her massage until my time was over. It was well after midnight when I left the place with a big grin on my face. 3 k Baht including tip seems a very fair price for all the action.

So after all, a great first evening in Bangkok, only my plan to go hunting for a FL later was spoiled due to excessive exhaustion.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1945387]I can get something to eat for 30 Baht to 100 Baht, and assist my weight control. I can even cook a great meal myself (for non Thai food). I prefer to save it for a fuck but then I don't have the service requirements (look for GFE).

I certainly cut back on eating out and drinking out, more than I cut back on fucks.[/QUOTE]I love my 30-100 Baht meals, but I am a foodie and enjoy great food and drink as much as I do sex, so going out and spending a bit more is something I like to do. BKK has some really great food these days. I would have no problem paying top dollar if I was getting top looks and top service. I really don't see either these days.

[QUOTE=Ventolin42;1945430]She said her name is "Za", although I am not absolutely sure I understood her correctly. She said she is 26 yrs old, from Isaan. A slim girl, not skinny but also not in any ways chubby.[/QUOTE]Z sound does not exist in Thai language, however "Sa" or "Saa" (sounds like "sar") is a very common Thai girl's nickname. So I guess that should be it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1945515]I love my 30-100 Baht meals, but I am a foodie and enjoy great food and drink as much as I do sex, so going out and spending a bit more is something I like to do. BKK has some really great food these days. I would have no problem paying top dollar if I was getting top looks and top service. I really don't see either these days.[/QUOTE]Yes it is getting tougher to find the beauties. My favorite Oily beauties, Gaew, Bai Fern, and Angie are all gone well over 2 years, and only Bai Fern was really top GFE. The later two lasted very limited time. Best girl I can find in an oily these days is no more than 7. 5 standard for face and an 8 for body, without even considering the performance. Very difficult to find stunners to my spec in the Soapies. The Lord girls were not exactly dazzling me either. Probably have to keep trying it to hit the right girl.

Stunning girls just end up getting better offers. The stagnant price of sex in the PSE shops is not helping in my view. Girls maybe switching to online but can be risky and time wasting, unless they use online with their regular special customers. Surgeries and junk food are wrecking the market for me too. At least girls smoking has reduced.

I would love to be a foodie, but must stay in some control, and feed the good gut microbes with exciting stuff like Celery, Leeks, etc. LOL. I don't even eat rice, despite GF having a rice farm. I just call it the Mosquito breeding area. Fortunately there are some very healthy Thai food selections with high vegetable content. The benefit of big weight loss is better sex energy.

Copa had some decent reviews online.

On another note. Are there any really good outcall service places also there?

Model like women kinds. Something there in singapore.

Madass.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1945388]Emmanuelle has gone downhill in my view (far less girls and too many horrid noses). Poseidon was never a big favorite of mine (I preferred nearby Copa Cabana). I would suggest try the Lord and Amsterdam. I am sure Google Maps can help find them.

La Belle is also popular, but not the happiest hunting ground for my taste.[/QUOTE]

Hi guys,

Due to several good reports on this Forum I went to Orchid Massage today to see Tan. I arrived five minutes past two (their opening time) and she was already busy. So I waited two hours until I returned and she was available. Boy, is she a petite girl, 40 kg at most. Tits were small as expected, but with really huge nipples (looked funny). Body is great, if you like petite girls, although she is probably around 30. So we went to the room where I asked her for A+. Didn't think she would agree because she is so small. At first she took a look at my best part and answered "me small, you big". So I offered her a tip of 500 baht, she smiled and asked for 700, which I agreed to. After an un-memorable massage she wanted to put a condom on for BJ. I asked her for BBBJ and she agreed, at least for a short while, but changed to the main action quickly. I had difficulties to get into her butt at first because of her size, but a half flask of lube later everything was going along well. She did not start in the usual cowgirl position but wanted me to do her doggie style first. Well, your wish is my command. After I fired my first shot I asked her for a second one, and she agreed. The second BJ was a bit longer than the first, after that she put my dick in her pussy and rode me quite energetically to completion. All in all a memorable fuck, but mainly because of her petite body, less so because of the action.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1945515]I love my 30-100 Baht meals, but I am a foodie and enjoy great food and drink as much as I do sex, so going out and spending a bit more is something I like to do. BKK has some really great food these days...[/QUOTE]I am a foodie too. Since you live there, can you please share some of your favorite places to eat there? Thanks.

Did a quick in and out of BKK two weeks ago. Effectively, I was free late afternoon on the 19th after a crazy 14 HR marathon of stuff. Unfortunately, it was raining cats and dogs but managed to get to Bamboo whereupon I finally hooked up with Cheer!

Does not look much like her pictures on the site but still very attractive. Booked her for two hours in the "VIP" room and we had a great time. It was more like a dirty GFE experience than PSE but am not complaining. We probably could have kept up what we were doing for much longer so maybe next time book her for overnight.

Next day, more miserable weather and I went in the early afternoon to visit first 101 Premier. Must have been the lunchtime crowd because most of their catalog was booked so I headed out the door. While out in their little alleyway or street, almost directly opposite, there was a gorgeous lady outside what seems to be a small KTV place. Wow.

Anyways, headed on over to Orient massage to see Tan / Tana who has had good reviews as evidenced by the most recent one just before this post! She was available in the little crowd outside and I booked her for two hours. It was not good at all. I was thinking, did I get the right girl? Seeing an earlier poster talk about those nipples means that I did get the same girl but she wasted at least an hour and a half with massage. I tend to let the girl do their thing but this got way out of hand. We also had a slight misunderstanding at one point (about an hour into the session) which almost made me stop and leave. Definitely a case of YMMV with me and her.

WIR? Maybe to see the others but...

[QUOTE=Danibbler;1945955]Does not look much like her pictures on the site but still very attractive. Booked her for two hours in the "VIP" room and we had a great time. It was more like a dirty GFE experience than PSE but am not complaining. We probably could have kept up what we were doing for much longer so maybe next time book her for overnight.[/QUOTE]It's a pity they have to cheat so much with the pics. I have been into Bamboo maybe three or four times, but never managed to find anyone interesting (read slim and pretty). Similar could be said for several other shops I guess.

Cheer always seems to get good reviews. I tried her once long a go at a different shop, Mango I believe. She was fine for performance but we seemed to just lack a spark, which may be due to her figure being rather so so (average) at the time. Hard to remember all details now. Level of chemistry matters a lot, I guess. Perhaps because I liked other Mango girls more like Cat (cute face), Yok (good GFE), Cherry (good body), and these days Fern (cutish face and body okay). I never ass fucked any of these girls as they never offered, and its not my special thing. Nothing wrong with a nice pussy.

I have seen a very cute girl sitting outside Orient but never found out the name and she never seemed to be available at the time I wanted a girl. Rest of the girls were rather ordinary. Orient website pics don't help much. No one looks that great even with pics highly shopped.

[QUOTE=Danibbler;1945955]Anyways, headed on over to Orient massage to see Tan / Tana who has had good reviews as evidenced by the most recent one just before this post! She was available in the little crowd outside and I booked her for two hours. It was not good at all. I was thinking, did I get the right girl? Seeing an earlier poster talk about those nipples means that I did get the same girl but she wasted at least an hour and a half with massage. I tend to let the girl do their thing but this got way out of hand. We also had a slight misunderstanding at one point (about an hour into the session) which almost made me stop and leave. Definitely a case of YMMV with me and her.[/QUOTE]Appreciate you honesty Danibbler; punting is a hit and miss hobby and the occasional stinker can be demoralizing. Don't loose faith just get back on the horse!

This is why I take reviews as general advice and try not to replicate other peoples experiences. Too many variables when human nature is involved, and I have found the higher the expectations the greater the chance for disappointment. Plus Bamboo is a GFE / PSE shop where Orient is a more traditional one pop shop, so different standard services were involved.

SL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1944904]Candy was closed for a time and appears to have opened with a new owner. Twas a Japanese guy outside the other day beckoning me to come in. No longer a PSE place for sure. Too bad guys accept CBJs. If all customers were like you, then we would have fewer performance issues.[/QUOTE]So how about Candy (ex-owner, a star from Cherry)? Does she work somewhere?

[QUOTE=Danibbler;1945955]

Anyways, headed on over to Orient massage to see Tan / Tana who has had good reviews as evidenced by the most recent one just before this post! She was available in the little crowd outside and I booked her for two hours. It was not good at all. I was thinking, did I get the right girl? Seeing an earlier poster talk about those nipples means that I did get the same girl but she wasted at least an hour and a half with massage. I tend to let the girl do their thing but this got way out of hand. [/QUOTE]I think your criticism is unfair. Probably with you just lying there she was thinking to herself 'When is this guy going to put his dick in me?' I'm sure if after 5 minutes of massage you'd said 'Right! Enough of that, let's fuck!' she would have been more than happy to oblige.

[QUOTE=MadAssManiac;1945654]Copa had some decent reviews online.

On another note. Are there any really good outcall service places also there?

Model like women kinds. Something there in singapore.

Madass.[/QUOTE]Not sure your English is good enough to ask clear questions and get useful answers. Might be better to just read reports about various venues.

I don't know of any good outcall places. Its easier to attend a place, try girls, and collect contact details for girls you really like. Then consider outcall with your favourites. Alternatively go for the Escorts thread.

[QUOTE=*****man;1946036]I think your criticism is unfair. Probably with you just lying there she was thinking to herself 'When is this guy going to put his dick in me?' I'm sure if after 5 minutes of massage you'd said 'Right! Enough of that, let's fuck!' she would have been more than happy to oblige.[/QUOTE]Surely no one goes to Orient for a real massage. LOL I always tell the girl, maybe later for the massage, and then it never happens, or take a quick Nuru gel body slide to get me extra horny, if she has a good body.

Does seem somewhat valid to complain about wasting so long to me. Perhaps he had a 2 hour booking, and she could not see herself doing sex play for 2 hours.

That reminds me. I used to go to Thonglor 2, which pretends to be a proper spa, but I always went there mainly for sex. I never read anything about it lately. Does it still operate? They used to have the odd good looking girl. That was my purpose. I still remember Pink with big tits from a long time ago. She was a hottie. Some other girls seemed really determined to give massages though, not just sex. 555

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1944904]Candy was closed for a time and appears to have opened with a new owner. Twas a Japanese guy outside the other day beckoning me to come in. No longer a PSE place for sure. Too bad guys accept CBJs. If all customers were like you, then we would have fewer performance issues.[/QUOTE]I think his reaction was excessive. It's a fact that gonorrhoea can spread through BBBJs and there's some really nasty drug-resistant strains around. The girls have every right to protect themselves and if a parlour wants to set a policy, that seems fair to me. If it's so important to you that you would call the session off without it, you should specify your needs in advance or go to a place you know all the girls are up for it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1946038]
Does seem somewhat valid to complain about wasting so long to me. Perhaps he had a 2 hour booking, and she could not see herself doing sex play for 2 hours.
[/QUOTE]He could have just said he doesn't want a massage. If it's that's easy to fix the 'problem' yourself, it's not a valid complaint.

[QUOTE=*****man;1946040]I think his reaction was excessive. It's a fact that gonorrhoea can spread through BBBJs and there's some really nasty drug-resistant strains around. The girls have every right to protect themselves and if a parlour wants to set a policy, that seems fair to me. If it's so important to you that you would call the session off without it, you should specify your needs in advance or go to a place you know all the girls are up for it.[/QUOTE]The new owner should have changed the name if he wanted to change the concept. Candy Massage was a PSE shop. With all services including BBBJ. I think you have every right to expect the same standards. I would have terminated the session as well!

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1946048]The new owner should have changed the name if he wanted to change the concept. Candy Massage was a PSE shop. With all services including BBBJ. I think you have every right to expect the same standards. I would have terminated the session as well![/QUOTE]In that case I agree the owner is at fault.

So there is a repeating theme with this shop, in my experiences. The girls look cute in their uniforms. Head up stairs to the room, after picking one, clothes come off, it looks way less better than advertised. Something about their flight attendant uniforms are really good about making their body look more sexy / curvy than it really is. The girl I picked had a really cute face, well in her uniform, but was rather average to even below average naked. I've seen about 4 girls here, all of whom had this problem of looking quite a bit less attractive when the clothes came off. It's not baby damage, it's just that they are either a bit too fat in the stomach and / or way too skinny in the trunk. Clothes come off, body looks too average and I get buyers regret there everytime. Yet I feel like I'll be back for some reason, because there are so many women there around 3-4 PM and maybe I'll get better at identifying the ones who I do enjoy.

Hello guys,

I've been doing some research on your reports (Syzygies comments were very inspiring). As I only have few hours in Bangkok, I have check pictures from MP mentioned here to have a reference. Now, I would like to comments from experts regarding my selection. I do like pretty faces with girlfriend-like behavior, a lot of kissing, BBJJ and of course friction, especially with Nuru gel. Which of the following girls would you recommend for me?

- Dream Heaven. Bell - [URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuse.php?id=18[/URL].

- Dream Heaven. Bam - [URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuse.php?id=20[/URL].

- Dream Heaven. June - [URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuse.php?id=133[/URL].

- Addict. Michell - [URL]http://www.addictmassagebkk.com/gallerys/272776/STAFF.html[/URL].

- Addict. Nan - [URL]http://www.addictmassagebkk.com/gallerys/272776/STAFF.html[/URL].

- Mango. May - [URL]http://www.mangomassagebkk.com/ladies/[/URL].

- Bamboo. Cheer - [URL]http://bamboobkk.com/ladies/cheer/[/URL].

I know photos may be very different from reality but I would like to listen more your experiences. I will try to book after your wise advice.

Thanks in advance!

With the number of hotties on the website and positive reports here I knew Snow White would probably merit more than one visit. First night in town I went straight from the hotel to Soi 26. Interested in E-Q, she's busy. But Ninja, whose reputation is glowing, was available. She smiled when I asked for her and I almost stopped cold when I saw the braces. Not my thing. So happy I got past that. Cute face but an unbelievable body. Probably the highlight of my time. After shower time she started with a nice BBBJ, and we switched to 69. What a view. Perfect little pussy and the cutest asshole I've ever seen. Asked if she was A+ because I usually want a little something I can't get at home. She said yes, then gave me this doe-eyed look and said "But you use lube?" What animal would go in dry on this poor girl? Of course, I said. I don't feel like I'm especially big, but this was just the first time one of these ladies made me feel like mandingo. Anal doggy to finish, then DATY for her pleasure. That warmed me right back up, so we switched to regular cowgirl. She was tight, and finished first. Then break time. She started in on a massage, but I asked her to lay down and take a rest. A little talk, mostly cuddles and kisses. Really nice GFE. Had a half-hour left after intermission so it was back to DATY and a second pop for her. She reciprocated with a sloppy BBBJ / HJ. Had me on the verge and would have achieved a third if she stuck to the mouth, but kept going back to the hand. Didn't press it, didn't need the third anyway, so we left it after a while. Tipped 300 baht because she'd earned it and I knew I'd likely be back to see another lady. Couldn't hurt.

Second visit a few days later, still no E-Q but saw another lady that caught my eye -- Candy. Skinnier than my normal type but she looked cute. Bit of a letdown in the room. Tiny breasts didn't bother me, but tattoo across her stomach of a skull with butterfly wings did. Placed to conceal a C-section scar best I could tell. Also had a more tasteful tattoo on the back of her shoulder. Disrobed, which prompted her to compare the width of her forearm to that of my. Third arm. "So big!" Oh my dear, flattery will get you only so far. On the bed, decent BBBJ and 69 and we got into a really hot reverse anal cowgirl followed by some regular cowgirl. Rotated to some DATY when I needed to recharge. Decent enough performer but something was a little grating about her personality. Made the mistake of mentioning I'd been in once before (and lied and said it was especially to see her, because I can do the flattery thing too), but she was busy. Soon she was scolding me for being a bad boy, asking when I'd come back, and that I can come and see her and her only. Like I'm her oily husband. Ooh boy. I laughed the first time. So she's a skinny ting-tong girl with a bad tattoo -- but I'm pretty easygoing, it was a fine enough time. Just hope she doesn't recognize me if I drop by the shop again on the next trip.

Ninja I would repeat in a second. Candy, would pass.

[QUOTE=McRib;1946304] Just hope she doesn't recognize me if I drop by the shop again on the next trip.

[/QUOTE]She's Thai, she will! Great report.

[QUOTE=Maken;1946229]Hello guys,

I've been doing some research on your reports (Syzygies comments were very inspiring). As I only have few hours in Bangkok, I have check pictures from MP mentioned here to have a reference. Now, I would like to comments from experts regarding my selection. I do like pretty faces with girlfriend-like behavior, a lot of kissing, BBJJ and of course friction, especially with Nuru gel. Which of the following girls would you recommend for me?


- Bamboo. Cheer - [URL]http://bamboobkk.com/ladies/cheer/[/URL].

![/QUOTE]Cheer is a real legend. Was working in Mango before and had a great reviews. However, I had her in 3 some with Cat (also ex-Mango) some 6 years ago. There were no fireworks, just regular sex.

[QUOTE=Stykler;1946315]She's Thai, she will! Great report.[/QUOTE]Of course she will but she'll be on her best behaviour with the mamasan around so I wouldn't worry.

Agree with everything McRib wrote about Ninja. To be honest I'm surprised she still does A+ as she could easily get customers without it. I think she's very motivated to make a lot of money in a short period of time.

I'm also glad to read the report on Candy as she has a really pretty face (as nice as on the website) but I've never chosen her as I know she's a mum.

[QUOTE=Maken;1946229]Hello guys,

I've been doing some research on your reports (Syzygies comments were very inspiring). As I only have few hours in Bangkok, I have check pictures from MP mentioned here to have a reference. Now, I would like to comments from experts regarding my selection. I do like pretty faces with girlfriend-like behavior, a lot of kissing, BBJJ and of course friction, especially with Nuru gel. Which of the following girls would you recommend for me?

- Dream Heaven. Bell - [URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuse.php?id=18[/URL].
- Dream Heaven. Bam - [URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuse.php?id=20[/URL].
- Dream Heaven. June - [URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuse.php?id=133[/URL].
- Addict. Michell - [URL]http://www.addictmassagebkk.com/gallerys/272776/STAFF.html[/URL].
- Addict. Nan - [URL]http://www.addictmassagebkk.com/gallerys/272776/STAFF.html[/URL].
- Mango. May - [URL]http://www.mangomassagebkk.com/ladies/[/URL].
- Bamboo. Cheer - [URL]http://bamboobkk.com/ladies/cheer/[/URL].

I know photos may be very different from reality but I would like to listen more your experiences. I will try to book after your wise advice.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Its very hard to comment when guys have different specs. Also some pics are so heavily shopped, it is really hard to tell true look. I would gladly try May at Mango too.

I have tried Cheer once. Good performer, but not really like her web pic, moderate looks for me. I prefer prettier.

I believe I heard that Bell of Dream Heaven is not there any longer (or currently). Can't guarantee this rumour from another girl. I suggest you go have a look in Dream Heaven, New Massage, and Mitu all right near each other at around 5 PM, and see which girls actually appeal at the time. That is how I find girls that really appeal to me, since what appeals to other guys is different.

Also another day go look in Addict and Mango near each other. Ask which one is Michell and Nana and May, and ask name of any other girls that really appeal. Addict really has a lot of girls. However don't let the flight attendant uniform fool you. Some girls are quite plain despite the fancy outfit. Push up bras make tits look much more than what they really have. Have to get lucky to get a really good performer and great looks there. The best girl I had at Addict is no longer there. Wasn't stunning but nice enough. So cannot recommend anyone there at present.

If looks matter to you, be prepared to go in and out of many shops in the Sukhumvit Soi 24, Soi 24/1 and Soi 26 areas, till you find someone really impressive. Included in this area are Snow White and Mango, porn star type shops (probably lesser looks).
Shops where I have taken girls in the past in this area include: Snow White, Yoremichi, Dream Heaven, 101 Premier, Can Cam, Angel, Cherry, Boss, EZ 1 and 2, Addict, Mango, Pink, All Stars, Candy?, etc. and several others not tried. The walking distance between all these shops is not much.

[QUOTE=Maken;1946229]I've been doing some research on your reports (Syzygies comments were very inspiring). As I only have few hours in Bangkok, I have check pictures from MP mentioned here to have a reference. Now, I would like to comments from experts regarding my selection. [/QUOTE]You're hiring a hooker, not buying a car. Even if you narrow it down to 2-3 "best" ones, it's possible that they might not be there when you go, that her vibe / looks in reality will be different than in the pictures, or that you'll have less chemistry during the session than the person recommending her. If I were you and had limited time, I'd simply go around the PSE venues known to be reliable (Dream Heaven and Addict are NOT), and pick anyone who strikes your eye from the lineup. Those places are Tulip, Sky, Snow White, Cherry, Bongkot and in the past Mango, plus maybe Bamboo (haven't tried that one myself).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1946814]You're hiring a hooker, not buying a car. Even if you narrow it down to 2-3 "best" ones, it's possible that they might not be there when you go, that her vibe / looks in reality will be different than in the pictures, or that you'll have less chemistry during the session than the person recommending her. If I were you and had limited time, I'd simply go around the PSE venues known to be reliable (Dream Heaven and Addict are NOT), and pick anyone who strikes your eye from the lineup. Those places are Tulip, Sky, Snow White, Cherry, Bongkot and in the past Mango, plus maybe Bamboo (haven't tried that one myself).[/QUOTE]Never heard of Sky Massage before. Is that a 'reliable' place or is it new? I see that the website has the same template as Snow White and even one of the same girls.

[URL]http://sky-massage.com/index.html[/URL]

But fewer girls and less attractive than in Snow White, apart from the receptionist who seems familiar.

[QUOTE=*****man;1946833]Never heard of Sky Massage before. Is that a 'reliable' place or is it new? I see that the website has the same template as Snow White and even one of the same girls.

[URL]http://sky-massage.com/index.html[/URL]

But fewer girls and less attractive than in Snow White, apart from the receptionist who seems familiar.[/QUOTE]Sky is a few doors up from Tulip (same side of street) and is an off-shoot of Snow White. However, some months ago during a holiday when Tulip was closed some of the Tulip girls went to work at Sky and I had the receptionist at Snow White book one of the Tulip girls for me who was working for a few days at Sky.

[QUOTE=*****man;1946833]Never heard of Sky Massage before. Is that a 'reliable' place or is it new? I see that the website has the same template as Snow White and even one of the same girls.

[URL]http://sky-massage.com/index.html[/URL]

But fewer girls and less attractive than in Snow White, apart from the receptionist who seems familiar.[/QUOTE]Its annoying when the receptionist or manager is the pretty one. I have encountered that before.

On website one or two girls look potentially doable. I would try Bonus or Punch if no terrible nose job. Those two seem not the worst looking I have seen (from pics only). Less attractive than Snow White? Not too sure about that. I tend to totally ignore all girls in a shop or any venue, except for best one or two at the time, so average standard fades from memory very quickly, and hardly matters.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1946877]Its annoying when the receptionist or manager is the pretty one. I have encountered that before.

On website one or two girls look potentially doable. I would try Bonus or Punch if no terrible nose job. Those two seem not the worst looking I have seen (from pics only). Less attractive than Snow White? Not too sure about that. I tend to totally ignore all girls in a shop or any venue, except for best one or two at the time, so average standard fades from memory very quickly, and hardly matters.[/QUOTE]I think most guys do that. But just going by website photos Candy and Ninja both look very attractive on the Snow White website (and in real life too by the way) but the best two girls at Sky (Anna and Tangmo) look alright but not worth a journey to Thong Lo for. The Bonus photos are too heavily photoshopped so it's impossible to make any judgements.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1946877]Its annoying when the receptionist or manager is the pretty one. I have encountered that before.[/QUOTE]Tell me about it! I went into Mango early one afternoon around 2 pm. This was before I had made the acquaintance of one of the doables who has subsequently become a semi regular on my team. I had not been to Mango for some time since I started visiting Addicts because I like some of those young, natural Addict girls, but from the Mango website I saw two possibly doable girls there so I wanted to find out for sure.

The two doables that I was interested in were not in yet and sadly the other girls in the lineup were nowhere near my spec. But I did like the look of the manager/receptionist who was very well put together in a natural, neat, Thai package, so I took her aside and very discreetly asked if she took customers. Without showing the slightest umbrage or insult, the manager simply said no. I said that's too bad because I like you and then I inquired about the two missing doables. She said they should be in shortly, but I did not want to wait around for a couple of girls I had not met yet, so I said I would come back another day, which I did about a week later at a better time and the rest is history with myself and one of the two doable Mango girls. I have had her 3 times now and plan to see more of her when I return, but I still would have like to get together with the Mango manager/receptionist.

I have told the story of the Soi 11 mamasan/massage shop owner and myself a couple of times. She was sexier IMHO than any of her girls and I banged her on two consecutive trips. I have very fond memories of our 2 times together, all alone, late at night in her little shop with a couple of her girls sitting outside. She had good technique.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1946877]On website one or two girls look potentially doable. I would try Bonus or Punch if no terrible nose job. Those two seem not the worst looking I have seen (from pics only). [/QUOTE]Bonus looks good, but I can't imagine what she might look like in person. Anywhere from really sexy to deplorable/unfuckable. There is only one way to find out. I will just have to go there. Conveniently, I will be staying for a time at the Marriott Thonglor Executive Apartments, so no problem for me. But is that not a nose job? 555!

Stay thirsty,

NB.

[QUOTE=*****man;1946894]I think most guys do that. But just going by website photos Candy and Ninja both look very attractive on the Snow White website (and in real life too by the way) but the best two girls at Sky (Anna and Tangmo) look alright but not worth a journey to Thong Lo for. The Bonus photos are too heavily photoshopped so it's impossible to make any judgements.[/QUOTE]Even with heavy Shopping of pics, Candy and Ninja don't appeal to me for face. I could do Tangmo mentioned though. Looks okay I do understand that many girls do not live up to the pics. Maybe I would not choose any of them. The only girls I actually tried SW were Emmy and Benz, but don't find myself going back for either. Neither really pretty enough. In the former times I was a regular customer for June.

Ninjas pics are inconsistent. In some she looks OK and in others seems to have a pudgy face. I like slimmer face. Old pics and more recent?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1946937]
Ninjas pics are inconsistent. In some she looks OK and in others seems to have a pudgy face. I like slimmer face. Old pics and more recent?[/QUOTE]I think all the photos of her are accurate and recent and not heavily photoshopped. They've probably been through a mobile phone app's 'beautify' option but everyone does that nowadays. Faces look different in real life too depending on lighting, how the person feels, make-up and other factors. But if you feel her looks range from OK to pudgy then she's obviously not for you.

It's odd you feel that way about Snow White. Over the past few months I've been there a couple of times a week on average and have only left without picking a girl on a couple of occasions. In Mango on the other hand I didn't see even one girl I found doable and May is no longer A+ so there's nothing that appeals to me there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1946937]Even with heavy Shopping of pics, Candy and Ninja don't appeal to me for face. I could do Tangmo mentioned though. Looks okay I do understand that many girls do not live up to the pics. Maybe I would not choose any of them. The only girls I actually tried SW were Emmy and Benz, but don't find myself going back for either. Neither really pretty enough. In the former times I was a regular customer for June.

Ninjas pics are inconsistent. In some she looks OK and in others seems to have a pudgy face. I like slimmer face. Old pics and more recent?[/QUOTE]Interesting. I find Ninja better looking than June. Whiter skin, rounder face. Less "Isaan" looking. But the gals from Nakhon Panom (and as we know the majority of the gals that work in the PSEs are from this province) all tend to have a bit of Viet and Lao in them. The pics are a pretty good representation of her.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1946920]Bonus looks good, but I can't imagine what she might look like in person. Anywhere from really sexy to deplorable/unfuckable.[/QUOTE]Great looking gal, but has been MIA for months.

[QUOTE=*****man;1946947]
It's odd you feel that way about Snow White. Over the past few months I've been there a couple of times a week on average and have only left without picking a girl on a couple of occasions. In Mango on the other hand I didn't see even one girl I found doable and May is no longer A+ so there's nothing that appeals to me there.[/QUOTE]Its a range of things. Just personal taste. I go for the slender but curvy model look. SW has girls mostly too chunky for me, and I don't go for the rounder faces, nor obvious nose and tit jobs. Skin colour is not a factor for me, but excessive white makeup can look weird to me.

Last few SW visits, did not pick a girl. Unlucky in timing or just nothing cute enough.

New Massage had a girl looking a bit like Megan Rain, so I found her cute and all natural and nice tits. Fun but no pornstar. Did not find any other new regular girls for me in the Oilies recently. Just too picky. Only have one other regular Oily girl left. Have to keep hunting and surveying.

[QUOTE=*****man;1946833]Never heard of Sky Massage before. Is that a 'reliable' place or is it new? I see that the website has the same template as Snow White and even one of the same girls.[/QUOTE]

Same owner, some of the same girls (albeit a smaller lineup), same price and service standards, slightly better rooms. It's very close to Tulip (same side of Thong Lor BTS, but other side of Soi 38), giving it some competition within that specific area. Competition is good. Too bad the prettiest girl at Sky (should I say the only really pretty one) does not do A+.

One more report from my all too brief stay in the BKK. Pretty sure this is a lady who hasn't been reviewed, so I hope I'm breaking new ground.

In a way this visit was the mulligan on my trip. I'd intended to visit Mango, but seeing no one to spark my interest out front, I turned and was ready to walk back to 24/1. A gal outside of Orient flagged me down, against my better judgment I stopped. She didn't interest, but a couple of young cuties sitting with her did. I knew I probably wouldn't be getting the level of service I wanted, and I went ahead anyway. Lesson learned.

Mint is a slim cutie in her mid-20's. No baby. Small breasts, but enough to hold on to. Pretty shy in the room. Very little English. We're in the tub and I reach for the kitty. No fingers, she says. Fair enough. She brings up the BJ - must be covered. Sigh. Tried once to change her mind, wasn't going to happen. A lady has boundaries and I respect them- only myself to blame for being in the situation. Remind myself I'm still going to get off with a cute gal. At the very least, she does kiss. CBJ is OK but obviously not life-changing. Let her go on for a while before requesting cowgirl. She's a nice snug fit, but I'm barely warm from the CBJ, so we go on for a while. Finally ask to switch to doggie so I can admire her from behind, and we finish a few minutes later. A second shot likely isn't on the menu, and I wasn't going to ask anyway. We've got 45 minutes left, and she tells me we can do massage, but that she's no good at it. I didn't come here for the massage, anyway, I say. Spend the rest of the time cuddling on the bed. She takes out her phone and I expect it's going to be a solid block of I'm'ing or Insta-whatever from here. Instead she opens up a translator app and starts talking. Pretty damned endearing, and ironically the thing that somewhat salvaged the visit. Felt for her, though. She tells me she's been at the shop a little more than a week- website seems to corroborate as it lists her as "new". Tells me she got laid off from a job and ended up there, doesn't like it. Could be the type of story a girl tells to generate sympathy (and tips), but I didn't get that sense. Or maybe to find a patron / boyfriend / husband.

Hard to sum it up. The sex wasn't anything to recommend, massage non-existent, but the experience after was unique for me. I'm aware of how naive I sound (and probably am). But the trip was about making memories, and I have one here.

[QUOTE=*****man;1946036]I think your criticism is unfair. Probably with you just lying there she was thinking to herself 'When is this guy going to put his dick in me?' I'm sure if after 5 minutes of massage you'd said 'Right! Enough of that, let's fuck!' she would have been more than happy to oblige.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm not a mind reader but I've had very good times with many other MP ladies from Bangkok, Singapore, Jakarta, Surabaya, Montreal and Toronto.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1946038]Surely no one goes to Orient for a real massage. LOL I always tell the girl, maybe later for the massage, and then it never happens, or take a quick Nuru gel body slide to get me extra horny, if she has a good body.

Does seem somewhat valid to complain about wasting so long to me. Perhaps he had a 2 hour booking, and she could not see herself doing sex play for 2 hours.
[/QUOTE]It was a two hour booking and no way could she not notice my horniness. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1946018]Appreciate you honesty Danibbler; punting is a hit and miss hobby and the occasional stinker can be demoralizing. Don't loose faith just get back on the horse!

This is why I take reviews as general advice and try not to replicate other peoples experiences. Too many variables when human nature is involved, and I have found the higher the expectations the greater the chance for disappointment. Plus Bamboo is a GFE / PSE shop where Orient is a more traditional one pop shop, so different standard services were involved.

SL.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I've been hobbying for almost two decades so I know the score.

I'll be back in BKK in March but really want to go back to Jakarta or, even better, try out Macau. I can easily pop (no pun intended) into HK but those Macau saunas sound really really sinful.

P.S. I've also had fun in the MPs of Kuala Lumpur. Boy, I get around.

[QUOTE=McRib;1947564]
Hard to sum it up. The sex wasn't anything to recommend, massage non-existent, but the experience after was unique for me. I'm aware of how naive I sound (and probably am). But the trip was about making memories, and I have one here.[/QUOTE]Not really naive. A lot of them have stories that deserve a bit of sympathy, but sex work is work and she's probably earning 5 times what a top graduate in her mid-20's would earn, and if she's sensible with her money this could set her up for life. And I also like chatting and cuddling with the girls rather than trying to squeeze out one more 'pop'.

Being a new girl does she have one of those big hairy bushes or is she at least nicely trimmed? If so, I'll definitely check her out.

[QUOTE=Danibbler;1948053]Thanks. I've been hobbying for almost two decades so I know the score.

I'll be back in BKK in March but really want to go back to Jakarta or, even better, try out Macau. I can easily pop (no pun intended) into HK but those Macau saunas sound really really sinful.

P.S. I've also had fun in the MPs of Kuala Lumpur. Boy, I get around.[/QUOTE]I have been to Macau and was "sexually" deceived. OK building and instalaltins were impressive but you go there to have a good fuck and frankly the girls are really not hot, a lot of (too) fake moaning, no CIM, etc. ALso had good times in KL.

[QUOTE=McRib;1947564]In a way this visit was the mulligan on my trip. I'd intended to visit Mango, but seeing no one to spark my interest out front, I turned and was ready to walk back to 24/1. A gal outside of Orient flagged me down, against my better judgment I stopped. She didn't interest, but a couple of young cuties sitting with her did. I knew I probably wouldn't be getting the level of service I wanted, and I went ahead anyway. Lesson learned.

Mint is a slim cutie in her mid-20's. No baby. Small breasts, but enough to hold on to. . . I didn't come here for the massage, anyway, I say. Spend the rest of the time cuddling on the bed. She takes out her phone and I expect it's going to be a solid block of I'm'ing or Insta-whatever from here. Instead she opens up a translator app and starts talking. Pretty damned endearing, and ironically the thing that somewhat salvaged the visit. [/QUOTE]Fantastic report McRib.

This is part of the experience, and one that does not get enough coverage here on ISG. Between the epic successes and the deathly starfish fails are these kinds of experiences that you report on. And to be honest, it's these kinds of things that really keep me coming back for more in Thailand. The humanity of these girls is so often brushed aside here on ISG, in favor of the hard-nosed numbers game ("give me intel", or "how much did you pay and what was her pussy like? ") I feel that is a great shame. So thanks for this reminder of the complexity and pleasures of the P4 P scene in LOS.

And let me second what Wh*oreman said: it's not naive of you at all to be touched by this experience. She opened up to you, in what seemed like an honest and genuine manner. She sounds like a sweet individual, and you had the privilege of spending a few moments with her. Enjoy that for what it was.

[QUOTE=*****man;1948066]Not really naive. A lot of them have stories that deserve a bit of sympathy, but sex work is work and she's probably earning 5 times what a top graduate in her mid-20's would earn, and if she's sensible with her money this could set her up for life. And I also like chatting and cuddling with the girls rather than trying to squeeze out one more 'pop'.

Being a new girl does she have one of those big hairy bushes or is she at least nicely trimmed? If so, I'll definitely check her out.[/QUOTE]No fur pie -- very neatly trimmed. Not shaved bald, either, which I personally find the least appealing (short of the full-on "Mediterranean" look, I guess).

[QUOTE=McRib;1947564]I turned and was ready to walk back to 24/1. A gal outside of Orient flagged me down, against my better judgment I stopped. She didn't interest, but a couple of young cuties sitting with her did. I knew I probably wouldn't be getting the level of service I wanted, and I went ahead anyway. Lesson learned.

Mint is a slim cutie in her mid-20's. No baby. Small breasts, but enough to hold on to. Pretty shy in the room. Very little English. We're in the tub and I reach for the kitty. No fingers, she says. Fair enough. She brings up the BJ - must be covered. Sigh. Tried once to change her mind, wasn't going to happen. A lady has boundaries and I respect them- only myself to blame for being in the situation. Remind myself I'm still going to get off with a cute gal. At the very least, she does kiss. CBJ is OK but obviously not life-changing. Let her go on for a while before requesting cowgirl. She's a nice snug fit, but I'm barely warm from the CBJ, so we go on for a while. Finally ask to switch to doggie so I can admire her from behind, and we finish a few minutes later. A second shot likely isn't on the menu, and I wasn't going to ask anyway.[/QUOTE]Nice report and thanks for sharing. This is the third or fourth report (including my own) of a oily girl demanding CBJ. This is just not fucking on. I mean, really, how the fuck are we supposed to get in the mood and hard to bag up in the first place? Will need to start specifying both "no baby" and "must do BBBJ" when selecting the girl to avoid this kind of substandard experience. No-this-and-no-that seems to be on the increase. I am not really demanding but these providers are simply getting away with providing poor product. Why tolerate this? Why be disappointed? I am going to reiterate what Goatscrot is also saying. Namely, we need to stand up and demand something more. The girls typically to a major junk inspection during the shower, so unless there is something obvious to object to, why is sucking cock any less tolerable than kissing?

On my recent visit to an oily shop, I had gone down on a girl and licked her to a wonderful orgasm. Then she expects me to bag up for my blow job? WTF? I just wasn't going to accept it. Given the trend, will have to make a "tick card" of expectations and confirm with the provider before going up to the room. I am not the most demanding punter, but the reports tend to show that we need to be clear what we want otherwise the girl will not live up to "oily expectation". Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1948279]Nice report and thanks for sharing. This is the third or fourth report (including my own) of a oily girl demanding CBJ. This is just not fucking on. I mean, really, how the fuck are we supposed to get in the mood and hard to bag up in the first place? Will need to start specifying both "no baby" and "must do BBBJ" when selecting the girl to avoid this kind of substandard experience. No-this-and-no-that seems to be on the increase. I am not really demanding but these providers are simply getting away with providing poor product. Why tolerate this? Why be disappointed? I am going to reiterate what Goatscrot is also saying. Namely, we need to stand up and demand something more. The girls typically to a major junk inspection during the shower, so unless there is something obvious to object to, why is sucking cock any less tolerable than kissing?

On my recent visit to an oily shop, I had gone down on a girl and licked her to a wonderful orgasm. Then she expects me to bag up for my blow job? WTF? I just wasn't going to accept it. Given the trend, will have to make a "tick card" of expectations and confirm with the provider before going up to the room. I am not the most demanding punter, but the reports tend to show that we need to be clear what we want otherwise the girl will not live up to "oily expectation". Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]It seems in the non-PSE shops this is becoming very common and I agree, it is unacceptable. The combination of good looks and good performance is getting more and more elusive.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1948140]I have been to Macau and was "sexually" deceived. OK building and instalaltins were impressive but you go there to have a good fuck and frankly the girls are really not hot, a lot of (too) fake moaning, no CIM, etc. ALso had good times in KL.[/QUOTE]Really? Gee. Was really building up to that.

KL was hit and miss until I finally visited that MP in the same building as HSBC. So weird. What was almost as weird was being accosted by a pimp there who gave me his business card to give him a call anytime to set up a visit. LOL!

Not sure if I want to go back since the food wasn't as good as advertised and not much in the way of touristy things to do. Jakarta you can blame your prolonged absences on traffic which is probably going to be true in any case. Haha! Ok. Well, maybe Jakarta in lieu of Macau.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1948140]I have been to Macau and was "sexually" deceived. OK building and instalaltins were impressive but you go there to have a good fuck and frankly the girls are really not hot, a lot of (too) fake moaning, no CIM, etc. ALso had good times in KL.[/QUOTE]Um. Lots of my friends go to Macau and the pics I have seen show very hot gals. White skin Chinese lookers. Also they say that the gals are all pretty well trained and have well honed skill sets. I am also told that you know what you are going to get as far as what the gals do. No guess work there. So that is not your experience?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1948291]It seems in the non-PSE shops this is becoming very common and I agree, it is unacceptable. The combination of good looks and good performance is getting more and more elusive.[/QUOTE]Performance has always been hit and miss in non-PSE oilies. My first experience in the Phrom Phong area was at Angel Massage years ago where the service was really poor. More recently I went to Addict and got a similarly poor performance. On both occasions I just chose on the basis of looks but the girl turned out to have an unpleasant personality which was really off-putting. So for me we now have 3 choices. First, go to the PSE places. Second, follow recommendations of other punters. Third, specify your requirements before taking the girl.

If the punter doesn't do one of those 3 things then I think he just has to accept CBJ. There are very valid reasons why a girl and an establishment may do this. Japanese punter predominate in these places and Japan is also the place where antibiotic-resistant gonorrhoea is spreading. They may lose a few punters from demanding BBBJ but they'd lose even more if stories like 'I caught gonorrhoea from Lek at Orient Massage' spread, particularly among Japanese punters. If you're not happy with a CBJ, take your business to somewhere you know you'll get a BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1948364]Um. Lots of my friends go to Macau and the pics I have seen show very hot gals. White skin Chinese lookers. Also they say that the gals are all pretty well trained and have well honed skill sets. I am also told that you know what you are going to get as far as what the gals do. No guess work there. So that is not your experience?[/QUOTE]Look is one thing, performing is another. A s in common life, the best looking ones are usually not the best in bed!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1948364]Um. Lots of my friends go to Macau and the pics I have seen show very hot gals. White skin Chinese lookers. Also they say that the gals are all pretty well trained and have well honed skill sets. I am also told that you know what you are going to get as far as what the gals do. No guess work there. So that is not your experience?[/QUOTE]Like Gannaton48 I have not had a great experience in Macau, been there once 10 months ago, tried East Spa. I don't found any stunning girls, looks it was not worth the price. Regular viet gals were more cute and sexy than a chinese "model". Sex performance was ok, with a great hot&cold BBBJ.

For me is better to have 1 HR with a 3 holers girl in PSE shop in BKK for 1900 baht rather than having 1 HR for 2000 and more HKD / MOP in Macau's Saunas. IMO.

[QUOTE=*****man;1948365]Performance has always been hit and miss in non-PSE oilies. My first experience in the Phrom Phong area was at Angel Massage years ago where the service was really poor. More recently I went to Addict and got a similarly poor performance. On both occasions I just chose on the basis of looks but the girl turned out to have an unpleasant personality which was really off-putting. So for me we now have 3 choices. First, go to the PSE places. Second, follow recommendations of other punters. Third, specify your requirements before taking the girl.

If the punter doesn't do one of those 3 things then I think he just has to accept CBJ. There are very valid reasons why a girl and an establishment may do this. Japanese punter predominate in these places and Japan is also the place where antibiotic-resistant gonorrhoea is spreading. They may lose a few punters from demanding BBBJ but they'd lose even more if stories like 'I caught gonorrhoea from Lek at Orient Massage' spread, particularly among Japanese punters. If you're not happy with a CBJ, take your business to somewhere you know you'll get a BBBJ.[/QUOTE]2 problems. First is the bad performance is girl dependent and not exactly owned by the shop, unless you expect the shop to have phantom customers (both difficult type and easy going customers) to test the girls regularly.

Next I am stunned by all this CBJ debate. I never had a CBJ for a long time. At least I can't remember last one. Some girl may have suggested it but I said no thanks, and took the BBBJ. Perhaps being circumsized helps me avoid CBJ, since no flap of skin to make it potentially unclean / smelly / etc. Circumsized is a big disadvantage though in terms of potentially reduced sensation.

I do believe CBJ is happening, but not to me. Perhaps I am very trustworthy and girls believe me if I promise not to blow in their mouth. With other guys, the girl knows damn well the guy wants to CIM badly, so she will not risk BBBJ. Just a theory. I would never do something nasty to the girl that is going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] her off. I get a good reputation at places I regularly go to, except for being very slow to cum.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1948460] Perhaps being circumsized helps me avoid CBJ, since no flap of skin to make it potentially unclean / smelly / etc. [/QUOTE]That's the one debate you definitely don't want to start on any internet forum. You've basically just suggested that those of us with natural penises are 'unclean / smelly'. I guarantee, there's nothing unclean or smelly about my knob, especially after a girl cleaning it in the shower. And as circumcision isn't widely practised in Thailand, no Thai girl is going to think of you as unclean or smelly just because your knob is the way nature intended it to be.

The reason you're avoiding CBJ is probably because you're not drawn to the kind of girl who insists on it.

[QUOTE=McRib;1947564]
Mint is a slim cutie in her mid-20's. No baby. Small breasts, but enough to hold on to. Pretty shy in the room. Very little English. We're in the tub and I reach for the kitty. No fingers, she says.[/QUOTE]The draw of the new girl got to me so I tried out Mint. Her skin is much darker than on the website but otherwise the photo is accurate enough. She's fairly attractive but like you say small breasts. Also her bra had left deep lines in her skin so they looked a bit odd. The rest of her body is in good condition, fairly slim waist, long legs, firm arse. She came across as being a bit scatterbrained, giggling about stuff for no reason and claiming to be too ticklish to let me kiss her neck. She did start kissing my neck though so I asked her to lick my body and surprisingly she gave me a really long, sensual cat bath that just went on and on until I stopped her. The other good thing was when I was fucking her doggy style she liked it when I gently rubbed her arsehole and every time I pressed it gently her pussy tightened. It was like having a button to control pussy tightness. She did make new girl errors though like humping her back upwards instead of arching it downwards, which I managed to resolve eventually, and grabbing my helmet after I'd come, which hurt. She claimed to be skillful (geng) at massage but I didn't take her up on it. Overall, an alright session.

This was the first time I'd been to Orient so I'll say a few things about it. The system is a bit different with all the girls waiting outside and you have to either choose one or go upstairs and choose from the photos. The two receptionists they've got up there are a bit of an unintentional comedy act. Think of two girls working in 7-11, getting in each other's way and you'll know what I mean. When I arrived at about 5 there were only about 3 girls waiting outside but an hour later there were well over 10. One of the girls was young-looking with fair skin and big firm breasts, probably silicone. I'll definitely be back to check her out and some of the other girls looked nice too.

On Macau:

First, this discussion really belongs in the Macau forum, but since it has begun here I will add my perspective to it and compare my experiences in Macau Saunas with that in BKK soapies.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I have been visiting Macau at least once a year since first going there in 2009. Read some of my trip reports for more information. Obviously there is something I like there or I would not be making all these repeat visits. So over the years some of my most memorable shags occurred in Macau saunas. I still recall an amazing Chinese girl from Singapore that I had the pleasure of twice in Familia Nobre. She is on my all time top 10 list! I also recall another stunner Chinese girl I met in Rio Sauna who I enjoyed so much I did her twice in two back to back sessions in one night. Now that was crazy love! 555. In the 1st session she covered all the usual stuff: DFK, b2 b, cat licking, licking the souls of my feet, anal rim job, fire &ice, 69, and multiple position sex. In the 2nd session we skipped all that and just started making out on the bed like teenagers until I started kissing her all over and we ended up in another 69 with mutual anal rimming and more sex. Rio gave me a 20% off on the 2nd session. And there are too many more notable sauna sessions for me to go into here, but that I can still recall almost as if they occurred last week.

So I would say this about Macau:

1. If you are into Chinese girls this place is a must! They have the best current selection of Chinese girls anywhere.

2. Know all about the prices before buying your plane ticket. This is the most expensive place to monger in Asia and it is no place to be frugal. It is either all in I. E. I am going to have a great time fuck the cost or don't even consider coming here.

3. Do not visit on Friday or Saturday. There are too many Chinese mainland visitors. Hotel rates nearly double over the weekend and the saunas are very busy. I recommend arriving on Sunday and leaving on Friday. That will give you 5 nights and enough time to check out a few of the best saunas.

4. Do not go to the saunas until 8 pm. Macau is a late night place. The saunas are open 24/7, but the prime time line up is what you come to see. The #1 shift begins at 7 pm and ends at 3 am. The best showtimes (lineups) are the first one after 8 pm and then next one that begins approximately an hour later.

Macau saunas are similar to BKK Soapies but with a few differences. Going back over my experiences in both dating from 2009 the year I first started visiting Macau, I would say that overall I had more outstanding and memorable sessions in Macau saunas than I did in BKK high end soapies, but that stat varies year to year. For example, in 2016, my 2nd Lord girl outperformed my favorite Chinese girl in Darling 1 by just a wee little bit. I rated that Lord girl as my 5th best girl of the trip and my Macau Darling 1 girl my 6th best girl of 2016. Likewise, in 2015 a simply amazing girl in BKK's LA Belle soapie was my favorite or 2nd favorite girl of my spring 2015 trip. But in 2014, 2013, and 2012 my Macau sauna girls especially the Familia Nobre Singapore Chinese girl, my double shot Rio Chinese model, and a very sexy Indonesian girl beat out ALL of my BKK girls in those respective years and like I said about the Singapore girl and the Rio girl, they were my favorite girls in all of Asia for those years. Thus you can see why I like Macau.

My point is simply; if you are into Chinese girls and you are sure you won't choke on the price; then you really must check out Macau. You won't be sorry. BTW, prices keep going up in Macau and there is outside pressure from the mainland on the legal P4 P, so who knows what the scene will be like in 5 years. It might be all over in 5 years. So if you have the opportunity, go now while it is still good.

Finally, and this was in my last Macau trip report; I arrived in Macau late on a Sunday night after long delays in the Manila airport. After checking into my hotel I went directly to Rio Sauna. It was around 11:30 pm. The lineup had 4 "super models" along with all the other girls. What is a super model? I think it was BKKdog who was looking for a "car show model" girl in BKK a few months ago. You know, the kind of girls you see in bathing suits smiling in front of Ferrari's and Lamborghini's at car shows. These girls are professional models and would be actresses looking to supplement their incomes in between modeling jobs. Well Rio had 4 of them in the lineup that night. Two were Chinese girls and two were Korean girls. All 4 were solid 8's in my humble estimation and believe me guys, I am a tough grader. To clarify; IMHO there are no 10's in the real world and when some monger comes on the board and posts something like he saw a lot of 7's and 8's at CH or Twisters one night, I assume that to mean there were a lot of 6's and maybe a few 7's around, in other words, he saw some very cute, sexy. doable girls out and about. I know of no 8's in BKK Go Go's only a few very attractive superstar 7's.

Anyway I am just reporting on what is available and on the menu in Macau Saunas in comparison to BKK. Regular Chinese models go for 2,000 hk dollars ($258) up to 2,400 hk dollars ($309) depending on the suana. Rio and Sauna 18 being the most expensive places. Attractive girls of southern ethnic origins like Vietnamese and Thai girls are less expensive. Many cute southern Asian girls do not even make the sauna cut and work only in the pool. locker, or lounge area providing various auxiliary services like helping to change a customer's clothes, thigh massage or "Japanese" bath. So of course the price for the 4 Rio "super models" was out of sight, approximately 3,000 HK dollars ($387) for the Chinese Super models and 3,600 HK ($464) for the Korean Super Models and all 4 girls looked really, flip a coin as to which was the best looking or had the best body, great to me. I could see no real improvement in face or body of the Koreans over the Chinese girls. I guess it is merely a supply and demand situation where Korean girls fetch a higher price in today's market than Chinese girls and real Japanese girls garner the highest price, provided they are all lookers. So far in my sporting life, I have had 3 real Japanese girls, 6 Koreans, and 2 Manchurians. These Macau sauna prices compare to the Lord prices of R category: 4,800 bt ($136), O category: 5,400 bt, M category: 5,800 bt, K category: 6,400bt, and sideline model category: 7,000 bt ($197) to 10,000 bt ($284). Thus far I have taken only O category and K category girls. I keep looking over at the sideline girls from time to time, but thus far I haven't seen any girl there that I had to have, meaning a knockout worth the price.

Good hunting to you all.

[QUOTE=*****man;1948492]
This was the first time I'd been to Orient so I'll say a few things about it. The system is a bit different with all the girls waiting outside and you have to either choose one or go upstairs and choose from the photos. The two receptionists they've got up there are a bit of an unintentional comedy act. Think of two girls working in 7-11, getting in each other's way and you'll know what I mean. When I arrived at about 5 there were only about 3 girls waiting outside but an hour later there were well over 10. One of the girls was young-looking with fair skin and big firm breasts, probably silicone. I'll definitely be back to check her out and some of the other girls looked nice too.[/QUOTE]For some reason they did a line-up, up stairs, when I went one time (other time I already picked the girl outside and we just walked up together). I don't recall asking for the lineup that one time, because already had a girl in mind from down stairs. I can't recall exactly what prompted them to do the line up though. Maybe they were going to show me a photo book and I declined? I noticed there were some other girls in their back room area and the total amount more than doubled in the line up. I saw better options that time and I would see if the can do a line up. Addict does this, so they should be able to as well.

Also, anyone correct me if I'm wrong, I think the photobooks are a Japanese accommodation. So I think they are just optional accommodation. So I usually always avoid them as they have led to poor outcomes for me in the past.

[QUOTE=*****man;1948492]The draw of the new girl got to me so I tried out Mint. Her skin is much darker than on the website but otherwise the photo is accurate enough. She's fairly attractive but like you say small breasts. Also her bra had left deep lines in her skin so they looked a bit odd. The rest of her body is in good condition, fairly slim waist, long legs, firm arse. She came across as being a bit scatterbrained, giggling about stuff for no reason and claiming to be too ticklish to let me kiss her neck. She did start kissing my neck though so I asked her to lick my body and surprisingly she gave me a really long, sensual cat bath that just went on and on until I stopped her. The other good thing was when I was fucking her doggy style she liked it when I gently rubbed her arsehole and every time I pressed it gently her pussy tightened. It was like having a button to control pussy tightness. She did make new girl errors though like humping her back upwards instead of arching it downwards, which I managed to resolve eventually, and grabbing my helmet after I'd come, which hurt. She claimed to be skillful (geng) at massage but I didn't take her up on it. Overall, an alright session.
[/QUOTE]So did the scatterbrained newbie limit your to a CBJ? That is the one aspect we are all curious to know. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1948374]Look is one thing, performing is another. A s in common life, the best looking ones are usually not the best in bed![/QUOTE]That seems to be the case in LOS, but truthfully not with some other places in Asia and for sure not in my home country where women seem to truly enjoy sex whether they are great looking or not.

Looking for another massage lady similar to Ninja at SW. Can anyone recommend someone?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1948657]That seems to be the case in LOS, but truthfully not with some other places in Asia and for sure not in my home country where women seem to truly enjoy sex whether they are great looking or not.[/QUOTE]It's not about not enjoying. My best looking girls certainly give the impression that they like fucking and get good enjoyment. However, stunning girls will always get a fuck easily, so they can get away with being lazy and enjoying themselves more than concentrating on giving the guy top service. They are not forced to provide anal, nor CIM, nor anything else special. They can get away with a cursory BBBJ then just relax and enjoy being serviced by the guy. So they are not always the most energetic and selfless.

Giving service and enjoying sex are too different things. The stunners can be more selfish, and get away with it. Fortunately most of them like to do a good 69 or cowgirl, because they are benefitting too.

I haven't noticed any correlation or reverse correlation between looks and providing disinterested sex or just going through the motions for the money. I admit my sampling may not be perfect here, since I don't fuck any really ugly ones, in any case. Being dick scared also seems to have no relevance to looks.

Lets get to the real truths. Stunning girls are reported by guys to have a bad attitude. What caused that? Simply the guy was offering what she considered to be an insulting amount of money, or from the other viewpoint, the girl was greatly over pricing herself. I don't detect such bad attitudes mostly when the high money is offered. I do detect girls reluctant when they are dick scared though, either wanting small dick or very quick customers. Girls can be damaged and suffering already. Girls can also be reluctant due to period without actually announcing it.

At an expensive venue, even the ugly ones try to go for top dollar, but they get away with it much less. Guys don't give in to demands from ugly girls, or less so.

So I think the strong correlation is between looks and selfishness in the sex act, not the enjoyment.

Looks also greatly affects the supply and demand balance. Pretty girls can be heavily booked, to booked out.

I will certainly agree it is tough to get a stunner with super service as well. These almost don't exist, when service is supposed to include lots of nasty things. I did have a girl at one point with service pretty damn good all round, and pretty but her body did have some flaws. There is no girl perfect for everything. Always has to be compromises and we compromise in different ways, depending on our orientations. I don't have to have anal, CIM, massage, or BBFS, but nice kissing is mandatory for repeat. Well above average looks is also a must for me. Excessive ass sag or deflated empty bags (tits), and crazy nose jobs are big turn offs. A woman's shape, body or face, matters a lot for turning me on.

Most of us can't see any point spending money (or even for free) on girls with too many defects in service and looks. Better must be available somewhere.

Surely guys will only select an ugly girl to fuck if her service is great? Beautiful girls with mediocre service can still get themselves a customer easily, even a repeat customer. When I fucked Angie at Cherry (long gone now), she was a newbie, and service really ordinary, even kissing was a bit weak, yet she was so hot (body was easily a 10 and natural), I would be happy to do her regularly. She was able to let herself go and enjoy it, even starting off hesitantly.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1948623]For some reason they did a line-up, up stairs, when I went one time (other time I already picked the girl outside and we just walked up together). I don't recall asking for the lineup that one time, because already had a girl in mind from down stairs. I can't recall exactly what prompted them to do the line up though. Maybe they were going to show me a photo book and I declined? I noticed there were some other girls in their back room area and the total amount more than doubled in the line up. I saw better options that time and I would see if the can do a line up. Addict does this, so they should be able to as well.
[/QUOTE]There doesn't appear to be a mamasan there though so it might be difficult to explain any specific need (like a preference for girls without babies) during the line-up. Those two receptionist girls have no idea.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1948625]So did the scatterbrained newbie limit your to a CBJ? That is the one aspect we are all curious to know. [/QUOTE]She asked it as a question but I always opt for the CBJ anyway so I can't say if she would have insisted.

If anyone is looking for a BBBJ from a dark-skinned newbie with no baby then a better option would be the new girl at Snow White. I don't know her name but she sits on the right at the front and usually wears a green top. Anyone tried her? I was going to but changed my mind when informed she's not A+. She's younger looking than the Orient newbie.

Hi all,

A few friends are telling me that things are shutting down in Patts. How are things in BKK? Are the soapies and oilies open?

Thanks,

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;1949069]Hi all,

A few friends are telling me that things are shutting down in Patts. How are things in BKK? Are the soapies and oilies open?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]Honestly it's to early to say what will happen, Friday morning going to work it seems normal except everybody is wearing black or white only.

We will know more in the coming hours and days. Bu I think bars will either be closed or very subdued in the way they do business.

Until now there are no official order to shutdown but I think many places will be closed or very quiet.

The message from the government is clearly that any kind of celebrations or partying is strongly discouraged for 30 days but that apart from that it should be business as usual. Getting a massage is not seen as partying or celebrating so as long as everything is discreet I expect the oily scene to be business as usual. I expect places that normally have their girls outside will have them all inside for the next month. Given that Nana and Cowboy are supposed to be closed for the next month, there could be an influx of customers to the oilies. Some of the girls are going to be grieving for a while though so they might not be in the right frame of mind.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1948772]It's not about not enjoying. My best looking girls certainly give the impression that they like fucking and get good enjoyment. However, stunning girls will always get a fuck easily, so they can get away with being lazy and enjoying themselves more than concentrating on giving the guy top service. They are not forced to provide anal, nor CIM, nor anything else special. They can get away with a cursory BBBJ then just relax and enjoy being serviced by the guy. So they are not always the most energetic and selfless.

Giving service and enjoying sex are too different things. The stunners can be more selfish, and get away with it. Fortunately most of them like to do a good 69 or cowgirl, because they are benefitting too.

I haven't noticed any correlation or reverse correlation between looks and providing disinterested sex or just going through the motions for the money. I admit my sampling may not be perfect here, since I don't fuck any really ugly ones, in any case...[/QUOTE]Always a pleasure to read your posts. Why don't you give writing a try. I wonder you already are a writer preferably a poet.

Keep them coming buddy. Love them!

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1949824]Always a pleasure to read your posts. Why don't you give writing a try. I wonder you already are a writer preferably a poet.

Keep them coming buddy. Love them![/QUOTE]No I have no writing ability whatsoever. Its only Near English, at best.

I am OK with analysis, logical thinking and scientific investigation. Even suitably pedantic and sceptical. Should have been a forensic detective. However my dick has done too much thinking for me. Gets in the way of good judgement.

Jai Dee Mak Maak. Too generous.

Sunday was a bit wet so I tried Wechat. Organised to meet a girl, bit heavier than I expected but was eager to do the deed. She was not great but achieved the objective, 2 shots + BBBJ for 1 HR.

Monday went to check out the oily situation. Although Bamboo is the closest I went up to Soi 24 first and checked out Mango and the others in that block. None really leapt at me so meandered onto Soi 26 to check out the offerings. Many shops only had 3 or 4 girls at 2.30 pm. Finally checked out Snow White, There were 8 or 9 girls, a couple with nice skinny figures which is my preference. Took Ninja for 90 min. Had the obligatory shower and started off with a massage, after 10 min rolled over and started 69. She has a nice figure with well proportioned tits and a great arse. After 5 min was getting in the swing of things and didn't want to shoot yet so on with condom. Went for the arse first. Nice arse and great to look at in doggy, if anything though she was too tight which made it difficult to develop a rhythm. Swapped to a missionary position while still in her arse but it was not happening for me. Swapped condoms and started missionary sex. Found this was better for a good hard sex and came after about 5 min. Continued with massage and after 20 min started with a BBBJ. Personally I'm not a great fan of condoms and it needs to be special to do 2 shots in a short time so stuck with the BJ and HJ combo. Probably took 25 min to come, she really worked for it. I found her attractive and willing. I would do her again.

Today decided on a repeat. Only about 6 girls in the lineup. Ninja wasn't there and I was going to try someone different anyway. Chose Sunni, looked good with clothes on but with clothes of had small empty tits, if there is a case for getting silicone she would be it. Anyway she was pleasant and had a nice arse. Showered, preliminary massage, rimming then on with condom. Started in her arse which was easier than Ninjas. Fter about 15 min my knees were getting sore so swapped to pussy. After yesterday I struggled to come, eventually electing to finish with a BBBJ. Normally this isn't my preferred option but she did a good job and after 10 min I CIM. Didn't try for a second pop, had a relaxing massage which wasn't too bad. Don't think I would repeat simply because of the unappealing tits.

Hi there,

I've been reading this forum for a while now and thought it would be fair enough to share my Bangkok experiences.

I've been around a few parlors and cherry massage is my favorite. Nowhere else I got such consistent PSE service. Relaxed, quiet, multi-pop, that's what I need.

A few weeks ago I came back to the city and spent 2 hours with Yok. I found her really cute, actually nicer than on the website pictures and most massage parlor girls. Nice body as well except the usual baby marks, with 2 very nice tattoos and a great ass.

She started by some hot slide in the shower and since we got really hot she finished with a BBBJ / CIM. Then on the bed, first a lousy massage but quickly she moved to RIM and new BBBJ. Then some hot teasing, licking me all over with handjob while I was touching her pussy. Was wondering if I was going to come again when she switched to cowgirl. Really loved her riding me with her nice face smiling, there you go for my second shot.

After a while resting on the bed she started playing again with my dick, and after a few minutes I was ready to go again. First I played with her clit again and she started to moan on the bed. After a while I took her missionary then doggy style and had a great time banging her really nice ass. Finally my 3rd shot came and I was done for the day.

WIR? Probably! She's really hot when she gets in the mood and I didn't even had time to try her A+ skills.

Damage 2300 thb.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1948571]Anyway I am just reporting on what is available and on the menu in Macau Saunas in comparison to BKK. Regular Chinese models go for 2,000 hk dollars ($258) up to 2,400 hk dollars ($309) depending on the suana. Rio and Sauna 18 being the most expensive places. Attractive girls of southern ethnic origins like Vietnamese and Thai girls are less expensive. Many cute southern Asian girls do not even make the sauna cut and work only in the pool. locker, or lounge area providing various auxiliary services like helping to change a customer's clothes, thigh massage or "Japanese" bath. So of course the price for the 4 Rio "super models" was out of sight, approximately 3,000 HK dollars ($387) for the Chinese Super models and 3,600 HK ($464) for the Korean Super Models and all 4 girls looked really, flip a coin as to which was the best looking or had the best body, great to me. I could see no real improvement in face or body of the Koreans over the Chinese girls. I guess it is merely a supply and demand situation where Korean girls fetch a higher price in today's market than Chinese girls and real Japanese girls garner the highest price, provided they are all lookers. So far in my sporting life, I have had 3 real Japanese girls, 6 Koreans, and 2 Manchurians. These Macau sauna prices compare to the Lord prices of R category: 4,800 bt ($136), O category: 5,400 bt, M category: 5,800 bt, K category: 6,400bt, and sideline model category: 7,000 bt ($197) to 10,000 bt ($284). Thus far I have taken only O category and K category girls. I keep looking over at the sideline girls from time to time, but thus far I haven't seen any girl there that I had to have, meaning a knockout worth the price.Good hunting to you all.[/QUOTE]A great post as always. I have not mongered in Macau, neither Hong Kong. The best looking babes I sessioned with in Bangkok last year were the high end girls at Nataree. I would compare them in hotness with the Chinese girls I sessioned with in Shanghai. How do these girls compare to Chinese girls who work in Hong Kong? Which place in Bangkok today has the hot girls who used to work in Nataree?

[QUOTE=GDreams;1951120]

Took Ninja for 90 min. Had the obligatory shower and started off with a massage, after 10 min rolled over and started 69. She has a nice figure with well proportioned tits and a great arse. After 5 min was getting in the swing of things and didn't want to shoot yet so on with condom. Went for the arse first. Nice arse and great to look at in doggy, if anything though she was too tight which made it difficult to develop a rhythm. Swapped to a missionary position while still in her arse but it was not happening for me. [/QUOTE]Ninja has quite an accommodating arse when she's relaxed. She's starting to learn how to loosen it and tighten it at will, porn star style. What's missionary position in the arse though?

Hello,

I am in Bangkok next week and would love to hit up a few massage places. I see that several have rates posted on their website, but I assume that those don't cover the extra services. How does this work? Do you pay the room fee when you enter and then negotiate with the girl? Any pointers appreciated!

Also, what's the damage for multiple pop A+ at a place like Sui26?

Thank you!

[QUOTE=EasternProwler;1951733]Hello,

I am in Bangkok next week and would love to hit up a few massage places. I see that several have rates posted on their website, but I assume that those don't cover the extra services. How does this work? Do you pay the room fee when you enter and then negotiate with the girl? Any pointers appreciated!

Also, what's the damage for multiple pop A+ at a place like Sui26?

Thank you![/QUOTE]If you have read it properly, you would know it.

400 per hour for the shop, so its 800 for 2 hours. 1500 for the girl, no change because of time, so better take the 2 hours. Tip is up to you, 200 to 500 will make them happy.

A+ is usually at no extra charge with exception of a few shops like Bamboo.

Most places charges beforehand now, only a few still accept payment afterwards. But that should be no issue when you having troubles. Just be calm and bring your arguments, most time they will give you back the money when it simply doesn't fits.

[QUOTE=Tofolo;1951563]Then on the bed, first a lousy massage but quickly she moved to RIM and new BBBJ. [/QUOTE]Why do you write "lousy" with no further explanation what you wanted different? The girl is supposed to be a very experienced and capable masseuse who once worked in a Spa Massage place.

Even though I dislike real massage (apart from Nuru slide), I would not write "lousy".

[QUOTE=EasternProwler;1951733]Hello,

I am in Bangkok next week and would love to hit up a few massage places. I see that several have rates posted on their website, but I assume that those don't cover the extra services. How does this work? Do you pay the room fee when you enter and then negotiate with the girl? Any pointers appreciated!

Also, what's the damage for multiple pop A+ at a place like Sui26?

Thank you![/QUOTE]In former times, price of sex was never included and was generally 1500 Baht to the girl. Any place advertising prices higher than this, should be all inclusive prices (with sex). There maybe exceptions in some exotic Japanese style places where price is high and full sex still not included.

If a place advertises massage for 600 to 800 baht, as example, that clearly will not include any sexual services that will have to be paid for separately.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1951807]In former times, price of sex was never included and was generally 1500 Baht to the girl. Any place advertising prices higher than this, should be all inclusive prices (with sex). There maybe exceptions in some exotic Japanese style places where price is high and full sex still not included.

If a place advertises massage for 600 to 800 baht, as example, that clearly will not include any sexual services that will have to be paid for separately.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Syz!

So do I pay the house price to a mamasan and then negotiate with the provider for the extras? It would be great if you could describe how that part is settled. Would make my mongering a lot less awkward.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1951803]Why do you write "lousy" with no further explanation what you wanted different? The girl is supposed to be a very experienced and capable masseuse who once worked in a Spa Massage place.

Even though I dislike real massage (apart from Nuru slide), I would not write "lousy".[/QUOTE]Hi Syzygies,

As far as I have seen myself the actual massage in such a place is part of the ritual to relax between 2 shots. This time I didn't enjoy it, honestly I don't really recall what was wrong with it. Just that I remember I was happy she switched quickly to more interesting things. For example at cherry I've had great body to body massage by bovie, or very relaxing ones by bell. Now this is really minor compared to the great session I had with her. Interesting you're pointing out she used to work in a spa, maybe she wasn't in it this day, or I wasn't in the right mood.

In my last visit yo Bangkok I tried Mitu massage. To me this place is a bit weird. Definitely nice rooms, girls body above average but I always wonder if it's worth the price tag. This time I went upstairs, ready to pay for a hot no-hands massage. The guy at the counter shows his ipad with 5 or 6 girls on tiny thumbnails. No way to see more pictures. I have to go downstairs if I want to see the girls. No big deal but I find it weird for a premium place. Anyway I see this girl Point, she looks really nice so I point her. The guy cash in my 3000 thb. And tells me she is a "sideline massage girl" so I have to go out, cross the street to another massage place. Same owner. And everything will be fine. At this point I was feeling quite upset but managed to cool down thinking they had a reputation to keep and wouldn't have a bad ISG review. OK I wasn't too much in the mood to argue with a papasan either, and she really looked good, so opted for a slight risk on my 3000 thb. Went out, crossed the street and went down the alley and found very easily the new place. Looked exactly like Mitu, clean and spacious building with endless staircases! Same nice big room with big hot hub.

Back to the Point. Amazing body with perfect fake boobs. Extremely hot in the foreplay but a bit disappointing in the act. I really wondered how a girl could be so hot teasing me with her whole body and then be so mechanical cowgirl style. She's a master sucker though, deep throat passionately and I could see she loved to watch the scene in the mirrors. All in all I have mixed feeling, some great visual memories like when I finished fucking her doggy style in the ass, but also sometimes she was just off the session. On the other hand she got me 3 times in 1 h30, and for the first time in a long time I felt I could have done #4 if we had more time. So this time 3000 thb well spent, no where else in a suk oily I've seen such a nice body with big time PSE.

Hi,

My first post here, bit nervous. My 3rd trip to Bangkok. Was walking by orient massage wanted to try. 2 girls standing outside, picked up a short girl with big hooters. Her name is Lisa, originally from the north. Looks 8. Service was good, sex was OK. More of a GFE than PSE. Paid 2500 baht in total included the room. Would I return? Probably if I'm back in BKK.

[QUOTE=Tofolo;1951973]Hi Syzygies,

As far as I have seen myself the actual massage in such a place is part of the ritual to relax between 2 shots. This time I didn't enjoy it, honestly I don't really recall what was wrong with it. Just that I remember I was happy she switched quickly to more interesting things. For example at cherry I've had great body to body massage by bovie, or very relaxing ones by bell. Now this is really minor compared to the great session I had with her. Interesting you're pointing out she used to work in a spa, maybe she wasn't in it this day, or I wasn't in the right mood.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are sumilar to me and just don't like a real Thai Massage. Body to body is not a real massage but I like it.

[QUOTE=Zuka55;1952027]Hi,

My first post here, bit nervous. My 3rd trip to Bangkok. Was walking by orient massage wanted to try. 2 girls standing outside, picked up a short girl with big hooters. Her name is Lisa, originally from the north. Looks 8. Service was good, sex was OK. More of a GFE than PSE. Paid 2500 baht in total included the room. Would I return? Probably if I'm back in BKK.[/QUOTE]Can you be a bit more descriptive about her looks? How old did she look? Natural tits or silicones? Pert or droopy? Dark skin or fair? Any signs of baby damage?

[QUOTE=Tofolo;1951995]Back to the Point. Amazing body with perfect fake boobs. Extremely hot in the foreplay but a bit disappointing in the act. I really wondered how a girl could be so hot teasing me with her whole body and then be so mechanical cowgirl style. She's a master sucker though, deep throat passionately and I could see she loved to watch the scene in the mirrors. All in all I have mixed feeling, some great visual memories like when I finished fucking her doggy style in the ass, but also sometimes she was just off the session. On the other hand she got me 3 times in 1 h30, and for the first time in a long time I felt I could have done #4 if we had more time. So this time 3000 thb well spent, no where else in a suk oily I've seen such a nice body with big time PSE.[/QUOTE]So what is the Point of the Special "No hands" girls, do they really fail to use their hands and everything with mouth, pussy, boobs and ass? I love massage only if hands and feet are not involved. LOL.

Maybe in this type of place, GFE is a bit too much to expect?

So A+ with a Mitu sideline girl? That would be interesting, first I think I have heard about that. Did you ask about A+ beforehand or just an added bonus from her?

[QUOTE=Tofolo;1951995]

Back to the Point. Amazing body with perfect fake boobs. Extremely hot in the foreplay but a bit disappointing in the act. I really wondered how a girl could be so hot teasing me with her whole body and then be so mechanical cowgirl style. She's a master sucker though, deep throat passionately and I could see she loved to watch the scene in the mirrors. All in all I have mixed feeling, some great visual memories like when I finished fucking her doggy style in the ass, but also sometimes she was just off the session. On the other hand she got me 3 times in 1 h30, and for the first time in a long time I felt I could have done #4 if we had more time. So this time 3000 thb well spent, no where else in a suk oily I've seen such a nice body with big time PSE.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know how many pops are allowed at Dream Heaven during the 2 hour 4 hands massage?

[QUOTE=EasternProwler;1951846]Thank you, Syz!

So do I pay the house price to a mamasan and then negotiate with the provider for the extras? It would be great if you could describe how that part is settled. Would make my mongering a lot less awkward.[/QUOTE]I have always just put 1500 in the girls pocket on the way out the door. I have never had one check to see if the amount was correct, or discussed it ahead of time. The payment to the house seems to have changed, it used to be after, but they seem to be asking for payment of the house fees up front now.

[QUOTE=LordFarquard;1952591]I have always just put 1500 in the girls pocket on the way out the door. I have never had one check to see if the amount was correct, or discussed it ahead of time. The payment to the house seems to have changed, it used to be after, but they seem to be asking for payment of the house fees up front now.[/QUOTE]I always pay the whole amount up front. I don't see any reason for being sly and putting it in her pocket. Is that supposed to make you feel more manly or something? Also, a lot of guys would give a tip for multiple pops of A+. It's not necessary but the girl would be disappointed without one.

[QUOTE=*****man;1952737]I always pay the whole amount up front. I don't see any reason for being sly and putting it in her pocket. Is that supposed to make you feel more manly or something? Also, a lot of guys would give a tip for multiple pops of A+. It's not necessary but the girl would be disappointed without one.[/QUOTE]Tipping practice in Thailand is cash into the hand, however I suppose it makes little difference. Did not occur to me to vary that. Guys have been known to put in a girl's bra or garter.

I generally do so in such a way she can see how much as well. Yes no need to be secretive, unless want to pay her far too much I guess. Better she knows so you can know her reaction to it too (in case disappointed).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1952741]Tipping practice in Thailand is cash into the hand, however I suppose it makes little difference. Did not occur to me to vary that. Guys have been known to put in a girl's bra or garter.

I generally do so in such a way she can see how much as well. Yes no need to be secretive, unless want to pay her far too much I guess. Better she knows so you can know her reaction to it too (in case disappointed).[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, the 1500 baht that LordFarquard slips into the girl's pocket is not a tip. It is the payment you're required to make for the services you receive. The tip is any money you give to the girl on top of that. LordFarquard is saying he doesn't give a tip at all but secretively slips the required payment into the girl's pocket. That's not the way it should be done. In fact, it's quite deceptive as the girl probably thinks he's slipped her a big tip and when he walks out the door and she sees he hasn't tipped at all she's probably really pissed off.

Well in a stunning suprise, Emanuelle soapy (at Huai Kwang) was full of hotties and some stunners as well. I used to live nearby and was never that impressed with their available walking (non-prebooking) talent. Often walking in and walking out in disappointment (towards their hiring ability). However, with the military crack down on "partying," it seems that the soapies may be well stocked as a result. I guess if girl's can't ply their trade in clubs / gogo's then they will look to soapies?

Anyway, I got there at 7:30 on Sat evening, which is probably considered the best time and best day to go to any soapy, as this is when the attractive sideliners show up to make their part-time work. Was definitely impressed this time with their line-up, many do-able girls, various 8/10's and at least 1 stunner, 9/10. The stunner was 5300 baht, and the girl I took was 3700. She was an 8/10. Now, onto the cons, and this is pretty common at a ratchada soapy so you have to go in expecting this: no BJ was offered, I didn't bother asking as I am used ratchada soapies providing covered and poorly skilled BJs. I'm kind of weird though in that I don't even like BJ's that much, but that's just me. Another guy could have insisted on this and maybe gotten it. Also no DATY, which is really common with ratachada soapy girls. Other than however, the show was rather good, standard GFE, not the least-bit of a starfish, and moaning wasn't annoying or over-dramatic. Service, for a ratachada soapy, 7/10.

I think I will be going back to soapies again and forgoing the ollies. I'm not into PSE and I see no point trying to find diamonds in the rough at ollies, it's almost all rough it turns out.

[QUOTE=*****man;1952737]I always pay the whole amount up front. I don't see any reason for being sly and putting it in her pocket. Is that supposed to make you feel more manly or something? Also, a lot of guys would give a tip for multiple pops of A+. It's not necessary but the girl would be disappointed without one.[/QUOTE]I don't pay anything till I go downstairs after the session. One reason is I never know if I am going an hour or 90 min. I give 1900 for an hour 2100 for 90 min. Never tipped a Baht in the oilies.

[QUOTE==*****man;1952755]Just to be clear, the 1500 baht that LordFarquard slips into the girl's pocket is not a tip. It is the payment you're required to make for the services you receive. The tip is any money you give to the girl on top of that.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I think that is one of the reason most PSE shops have gone to payment up front: to differentiate between the service charge, and any tip on top of that.

SL.

[QUOTE=*****man;1952755]Just to be clear, the 1500 baht that LordFarquard slips into the girl's pocket is not a tip. It is the payment you're required to make for the services you receive. The tip is any money you give to the girl on top of that. LordFarquard is saying he doesn't give a tip at all but secretively slips the required payment into the girl's pocket. That's not the way it should be done. In fact, it's quite deceptive as the girl probably thinks he's slipped her a big tip and when he walks out the door and she sees he hasn't tipped at all she's probably really pissed off.[/QUOTE]The amount I am giving the girl may not be 1500 exactly. So it has a tip component, if she deserves it. I don't try to make a distinction between the payment and the tip since she receives it all and mostly no price was mentioned.

Often gogo girls go with me without discussing the price, even girls not previously BFed, and a Thermae girl did also. So I would not be able to separate what part was payment and what part was tip (if I over paid).

I consider money to the girl as a mandatory tip or service charge with an expected minimum. I am almost always making a decision afterwards. What would be a fair amount to pay her today. It is not always the same. May even depend on my mood.

A newbie has been spotted at Sky Massage on Sukhumvit road (near soi 38). Name: Nanny.

20 year old, buxom. Big boobs with huge areolas, still has the passion and rolled her eyes a few times when I was at it.

I enjoyed my session with a real newbie and also saw that she was enjoying her session a lot.

Sky. Only 3-4 girls, spotted 2 more doable ones, but older.

WIR with Nanny? YES.

P.S.: I am writing this report for the guy who had asked me specifically for ladies with Areolas.

Since I have long deleted the PM, here is the FR for him.

Hey,

My favorite used to be chao phraya on rama road. Haven't been to Bangkok in a while.

Now finally I've a small break. Though I arrive early in the morning but my flight back is at 4.

Any early morning soapies with 7+ women?

And of course. Looking forward to the famous rimming in thailand. Any recommendations on that?

Thanks!

I can be very useful to guide you through hongkong and Guangzhou!

Sam!

[QUOTE=*****man;1952234]Can you be a bit more descriptive about her looks? How old did she look? Natural tits or silicones? Pert or droopy? Dark skin or fair? Any signs of baby damage?[/QUOTE]Short, natural big boobs (for a Thai), curvy. No kids she said, couldn't see any baby damage, quite tight p. She is 27, looks her age. Worked as a nurse before, originally from Chang mai. Overall not a model, but good looking.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1952897]Agreed. I think that is one of the reason most PSE shops have gone to payment up front: to differentiate between the service charge, and any tip on top of that.

SL.[/QUOTE]Actually they went to payment up front because guys were trying to walk out without paying. BTW, Asian dudes don't tip.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1953380]Actually they went to payment up front because guys were trying to walk out without paying. BTW, Asian dudes don't tip.[/QUOTE]I just don't get why someone would try and leave without paying. If service is bad, go downstairs and complain and if the service is good, Pay up and be happy to pay up.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1953380]Actually they went to payment up front because guys were trying to walk out without paying. BTW, Asian dudes don't tip.[/QUOTE]Some 'Asian dudes' definitely tip. There's an English-language Singaporean mongers forum where they discuss it in exactly the same way we do, I. E. Tip if you want. They tend to avoid arguing about it though. The Japanese seem to like handing out silly tips in go go bars so whatever they do in Japan some of them clearly do things differently here. If westerners tipped but east Asians didn't we'd be more popular with the girls wouldn't we? But it seems a lot of girls have the opposite preference.

I personally don't tip because I always choose the one hour, one pop option. It seems a bit ridiculous to tip when you've asked for and been given the minimum like that. But going back to the newbie who started this discussion, he's looking for multiple pops of A+, so presumably he's going for the 2 hour option. If I chose the best looking girl in a PSE place, someone like Ninja in Snow White or May in Mango, and wanted 2 hours of anal sex with her, I'd give a tip if service was good. When guys are throwing 2500+ baht for 30 minutes with a starfish go go girl, is 750 baht an hour for PSE anal sex a fair price? If the girl was one of the older ones with damaged bodies then she's happy just to get a customer so I wouldn't tip. If on the other hand a girl gets 5 customers a day just because of her looks then you might want to consider tipping if she's given you 2 hours of great anal sex or great service in some other way. It's up to you but at the end of the session we want the girl to be happy, don't we?

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;1953422]I just don't get why someone would try and leave without paying. If service is bad, go downstairs and complain and if the service is good, Pay up and be happy to pay up.[/QUOTE]There are some real low lives mongering in Thailand. A lot of them end up penniless, trying to get free sex for as long as possible before jumping from the 20th floor of a condo. I'm happy to pay up front in an MP. You might even find the manageress will be more sympathetic if you've paid in advance and then make a complaint because then she knows you're not just some conman looking to get out of paying. Although service standards vary, I've never wanted a refund in any MP in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1953380]Actually they went to payment up front because guys were trying to walk out without paying. BTW, Asian dudes don't tip.[/QUOTE]Yes, over many years I heard plenty of stories, quiet believable, from girls about guys having their fuck and then suddenly discovering they did not have any money to pay. They believed they could get a freebie. This was in Soapies, Oilies, gogo girls, you name it. These stories were from girls that did not require me to pay in advance, just their experiences with other guys. Mostly the girls were not able to do much about it. In recent years only one panaroid gogo girl was really trying hard to get me to pay in advance after her recent bad experiences with someone else. I did not give in since I did not want to start the precedent too readily. Seems all the rest trust me. I think that the more stingy, arrogant and asshole like, that a guy acts, the more the girl will look for upfront payment.

I remember Soapies' girls who often complained about Hi So guys supposedly close to the owners who thought they could come in, get a group of girls to make sex party, and then pay the girls nothing at all.

Another common incidence, were guys deciding to adjust the price significantly downward, which may not have been justified in the girl's mind but justified somehow in the guys mind because she did not allow anal, did not enough 3 pops, or did not swallow, whatever. I even heard of guys saying they did not enjoy it, so did not feel had to pay.

Bad behavior of a small percentage of customers caused some MPs to change to upfront charging (Soapies were almost always upfront for the base fee), and for extras to be added into the total upfront fee. Even the Thais had a bad reputation at soapies for failing to pay for the sex, simply because nothing would happen when they refused to pay. Finally in the last 3 years or so, we have seen gogos try to get all money out of the customer before he gets the sex, opening to the possibility of a barfined girl doing a runner before she provides the sex. Fortunately I have not had to succumb to paying up front in gogo bars other than the BF part and drinks. Still plenty of girls did not specify a price for the ST, but that is somewhat less frequent than in old times.

For most MPs, like Whor-eman, I have got used to paying up front, since most do not provide an option otherwise, or perhaps they would if they know me, but makes little difference to me. There is never any guarantee the girl will be a fantastic GFE, and will not be dick scared, and is not too tired, too sick, or too lazy to do a good session. It's a crap shoot. However it is less likely that the girl will do a runner than with a gogo girl or freelancer. Sometimes get a session that is a complete waste of money but fortunately infrequent these days. Recall a really crap session at Pink massage with a timid dick scared girl, who some other ISGer rated as really good. Recall a really crap "stuff around session" with Vodka at Cherry massage was it, where others again thought she was O.K. Who knows what went wrong? I guess she was exhausted before we started. There are no guarantees, however we still end up having to pay the minimum for the fuck, even did not get very far with the fuck at all.

I never take LT with a girl unless I know her well. I have got used to idea I don't actually need to really sleep with girls, only to have them available for sex.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1953457]Yes, over many years I heard plenty of stories, quiet believable, from girls about guys having their fuck and then suddenly discovering they did not have any money to pay. They believed they could get a freebie. This was in Soapies, Oilies, gogo girls, you name it. These stories were from girls that did not require me to pay in advance, just their experiences with other guys. Mostly the girls were not able to do much about it. In recent years only one panaroid gogo girl was really trying hard to get me to pay in advance after her recent bad experiences with someone else. I did not give in since I did not want to start the precedent too readily. Seems all the rest trust me. I think that the more stingy, arrogant and asshole like, that a guy acts, the more the girl will look for upfront payment.

I remember Soapies' girls who often complained about Hi So guys supposedly close to the owners who thought they could come in, get a group of girls to make sex party, and then pay the girls nothing at all.

Another common incidence, were guys deciding to adjust the price significantly downward, which may not have been justified in the girl's mind but justified somehow in the guys mind because she did not allow anal, did not enough 3 pops, or did not swallow, whatever. I even heard of guys saying they did not enjoy it, so did not feel had to pay.

Bad behavior of a small percentage of customers caused some MPs to change to upfront charging (Soapies were almost always upfront for the base fee), and for extras to be added into the total upfront fee. Even the Thais had a bad reputation at soapies for failing to pay for the sex, simply because nothing would happen when they refused to pay. Finally in the last 3 years or so, we have seen gogos try to get all money out of the customer before he gets the sex, opening to the possibility of a barfined girl doing a runner before she provides the sex. Fortunately I have not had to succumb to paying up front in gogo bars other than the BF part and drinks. Still plenty of girls did not specify a price for the ST, but that is somewhat less frequent than in old times.

For most MPs, like Whor-eman, I have got used to paying up front, since most do not provide an option otherwise, or perhaps they would if they know me, but makes little difference to me. There is never any guarantee the girl will be a fantastic GFE, and will not be dick scared, and is not too tired, too sick, or too lazy to do a good session. It's a crap shoot. However it is less likely that the girl will do a runner than with a gogo girl or freelancer. Sometimes get a session that is a complete waste of money but fortunately infrequent these days. Recall a really crap session at Pink massage with a timid dick scared girl, who some other ISGer rated as really good. Recall a really crap "stuff around session" with Vodka at Cherry massage was it, where others again thought she was O.K. Who knows what went wrong? I guess she was exhausted before we started. There are no guarantees, however we still end up having to pay the minimum for the fuck, even did not get very far with the fuck at all.

I never take LT with a girl unless I know her well. I have got used to idea I don't actually need to really sleep with girls, only to have them available for sex.[/QUOTE]I never pay up front in the PSE oilies and have never been asked to. Probably because I have been a customer for 10 years and am known. I have on occasion called a session off due to bad baby scars, finding warts on a gal, etc. In those cases I have tipped a small amount to the gal and that is all I have paid. Never even questioned about it when I walk out at the desk. I am very hesitant to go to a place where I have to pay up front because I have given away the only bargaining chip I have.

In Nana, behind the alley at Business inn, there's a place where the girls wear a green T-shirt and black trousers. It is a place you should try your luck if you happen to go there.

Once I went with a good friend of mine (a girl) to that place for a full body massage. We didn't get a chance to select, but the girls they provided were pretty, bubbly and petite. We both got into a small room (naked). After about 30 mins, the girl who massaged my friend asked whether we were married and wanted to know our relationship wit each other and asked whether we needed any special service for an additional cost of 2000 bts. The girl who came with me said she'd watch and pay but she hesitated to join the action. So the those two girls came near me and took their t's off and started touching my pvts and started the special svc while my friend was watching. The experience was amazing. Total damage was about 3500 bts+ tips.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1953457]Yes, over many years I heard plenty of stories, quiet believable, from girls about guys having their fuck and then suddenly discovering they did not have any money to pay. They believed they could get a freebie. This was in Soapies, Oilies, gogo girls, you name it. [/QUOTE]Did you really mean to include soapies? I have had sessions in maybe ten different soapies over the course of the last 13 or 14 years and don't recall a single instance where I wasn't required to pay in advance. That, of course, is in contrast to PSE oilies (although they are changing to advance payment if they don't know you) as well as go go girls, who usually have not had a problem with payment after the fact (I haven't been with a go go girl in maybe eight months, so it is possible this is changing).

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1954093]Did you really mean to include soapies? I have had sessions in maybe ten different soapies over the course of the last 13 or 14 years and don't recall a single instance where I wasn't required to pay in advance. [/QUOTE]Back in the 'good old days', circa 1970-90's' you paid after the 2 hour session.

Dear all,

I wonder if Nataree is open these days? How about any advise of soapy passage near Centara grand in central world Pathumwan?

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=*****man;1953443]Some 'Asian dudes' definitely tip. There's an English-language Singaporean mongers forum where they discuss it in exactly the same way we do, I. E. Tip if you want. They tend to avoid arguing about it though. The Japanese seem to like handing out silly tips in go go bars so whatever they do in Japan some of them clearly do things differently here. If westerners tipped but east Asians didn't we'd be more popular with the girls wouldn't we? But it seems a lot of girls have the opposite preference.

I personally don't tip because I always choose the one hour, one pop option. It seems a bit ridiculous to tip when you've asked for and been given the minimum like that. But going back to the newbie who started this discussion, he's looking for multiple pops of A+, so presumably he's going for the 2 hour option. If I chose the best looking girl in a PSE place, someone like Ninja in Snow White or May in Mango, and wanted 2 hours of anal sex with her, I'd give a tip if service was good. When guys are throwing 2500+ baht for 30 minutes with a starfish go go girl, is 750 baht an hour for PSE anal sex a fair price? If the girl was one of the older ones with damaged bodies then she's happy just to get a customer so I wouldn't tip. If on the other hand a girl gets 5 customers a day just because of her looks then you might want to consider tipping if she's given you 2 hours of great anal sex or great service in some other way. It's up to you but at the end of the session we want the girl to be happy, don't we?[/QUOTE]Actually at the end of the session I want to be happy. I want the girl to do her job with all that entails and I will pay the standard rate. I usually pop twice, be it 60 or 90 min, and have never tipped at an oily. Of course I am not expecting 90 min of anal either. And never seem to have issues with service on repeats. I do think speaking Thai and having a light hearted fun disposition helps as well. I think Asians tend to pay the rate asked at GoGos and tend not to try to bargain. That being said, most of the oilies have gone to a pay upfront system as that is what most Asian dudes are more comfortable with.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1954224]Back in the 'good old days', circa 1970-90's' you paid after the 2 hour session.[/QUOTE]That is interesting. On the other hand, if the owners or management of the soapies back then were similar to those today, I suspect refusing to pay after a session would have had some serious risks. But I wasn't there then, so I don't really know.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;1954402]Dear all,

I wonder if Nataree is open these days? How about any advise of soapy passage near Centara grand in central world Pathumwan?

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]I would not want to stay there without good reason, however if I had to, I would try Soapy Sao Botan, not too far away by motorcycle if traffic is bad.

Soon I will stay in Sathorn. I have special reason. Near to the girl.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1954425] I think Asians tend to pay the rate asked at GoGos and tend not to try to bargain. That being said, most of the oilies have gone to a pay upfront system as that is what most Asian dudes are more comfortable with.[/QUOTE]That's over generalization, IMHO. Asians are not a monolithic group.

For sure Chinese and Indians bargain as hard as any ethnic group. Each with their respective pay scale. If you read the Jakarta thread, you'll see a hilarious post by resident expert who now no longer tips because he say a group of Chinese get the same service and pay half the price he did.

Koreans, Japanese have a different mind set and pay scale too.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1952260]So what is the Point of the Special "No hands" girls, do they really fail to use their hands and everything with mouth, pussy, boobs and ass? I love massage only if hands and feet are not involved. LOL.

Maybe in this type of place, GFE is a bit too much to expect?[/QUOTE]This no-hands thing on the mitu website is also a mystery to me. In fact the two times I've been there they didn't mention this as an option. The only price choice was between the category of the girl, e. G gold silver bronze. When the girls got started, all hands were on.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1952513]So A+ with a Mitu sideline girl? That would be interesting, first I think I have heard about that. Did you ask about A+ beforehand or just an added bonus from her?[/QUOTE]Nope I didn't ask beforehand. While going doggy style I asked if she was OK and she happily took the request. The way she managed it, that was definitely not something new or unusual for her. But you're right the first girl I had at Mitu I didn't even bother asking.

[QUOTE=Tofolo;1954578]This no-hands thing on the mitu website is also a mystery to me. In fact the two times I've been there they didn't mention this as an option. The only price choice was between the category of the girl, e. G gold silver bronze. When the girls got started, all hands were on.[/QUOTE]I've had a few hot sessions at Mitu. The "no-hands" thing pertains to the dude, not the girl! It means that the guy doesn't have to lift a finger (if he doesn't want to) and just enjoy the sliding, rimming, riding, cumming, etc.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1954224]Back in the 'good old days', circa 1970-90's' you paid after the 2 hour session.[/QUOTE]To Traveler.

I think it depend on the soapie I always pay after at Tulip the manager know me, other place like cherry and Mango sometime that I insist on paying after they told me I must paid upfront.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1954224]Back in the 'good old days', circa 1970-90's' you paid after the 2 hour session.[/QUOTE]Can you give example and the price.

I remember going to Thermae Soapy in 1991 and possibly paying the girl separately for sex, but I can't remember the price. I may have done Darling also and Vilunda. I also tried rub and tug at Chawala. I went to a soapy in Soi 2 year 1983, not Annies, but I believe paid for massage up front. No idea how much extra for sex.

I think generally sex prices were negotiated with girls, privately, however problems that some could not speak any English, right?

So I would have thought most Soapies in those days, still paid up front for just the massge. I could be wrong, not gaving sampled enough Soapies till a much later date. Mid to late nineties I certainly paid up front for soapy session but then gave the girl 1 K for sex separately.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1956490]Can you give example and the price.
.[/QUOTE]Darling. Behind old Robinson Department store in Patpong.

Bangkok Cozy. Fish bowl and sideliners with their own private rooms and large jacuzzi.

Can't remember prices, believe it was either 800 or 1200 per session, including FS, etc.

Back those days (late 70's when I first started visiting), not even sure there were oilies, only soapies??? Patpong was in it's heyday, Soi Cowboy and Nana infants, LOL.

[QUOTE=*****man;1883404] BB was busy and Yaya was quite unpleasant to me in the reception for no reason at all. I can understand why those two don't get reviewed much. Yaya is quite pretty but she came across as having a really foul personality and I imagine her sister is the same. [/QUOTE]It might be that Cherry's shop does not insist on some of their girls to try to put the customer at ease. I had a girl in Cherry's massage (Cathy) a few weeks ago, and the beginning of the session was very odd. Normally in all the massage shops I have been (at least in Bangkok) , all the girls are very polite and put an effort on that part of the service. Here I went directly to the shop to book her the day before, and the moment I arrived for my session, she did not even great me. She took me upstairs and did not even talk to me apart to say that she comes back (when she went take her stuffs). In fact she did not even talk until we get in the shower together. I was the one who talked to her and tried to make her feel more comfortable. Then she slowly loosened up and became a lot more enjoyable. That girl has a very beautiful body and is a lot more cute in real than her picture on the website. I don't think she can be PSE but at least I enjoyed my 2 pops but unfortunately she is not A+. Her pussy was great and she gave me a very good blowjob for about 10 minutes for my second round. The downsides were that she can barely speak English and she is not the kind of funny girls. I would say that she is the kind that thinks too much and would judge guys quickly even before knowing them. At one point she told me that I look like a poor guy that did something wrong in my country and fled to make a new life in Thailand. LOL.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1956589]Darling. Behind old Robinson Department store in Patpong.

Bangkok Cozy. Fish bowl and sideliners with their own private rooms and large jacuzzi.

Can't remember prices, believe it was either 800 or 1200 per session, including FS, etc.

Back those days (late 70's when I first started visiting), not even sure there were oilies, only soapies??? Patpong was in it's heyday, Soi Cowboy and Nana infants, LOL.[/QUOTE]1200 seems too much for that year. I paid not much more than that in total for girl in Chao Praya 2 in approx. Year 2000.1 k for the sex was paid separate. Can't remember the Thai Booran Massage part of the price price but I guess 300 or 400.

Bargirls were the go in 1991 since were typically 500 for the whole night, and sometimes they even did not wish to leave at all. BF probably about 170 Baht or maybe a bit more. I believe I would have paid Thermae Coffee shop girls same 500 per night without BF, in 1991.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1956613]It might be that Cherry's shop does not insist on some of their girls to try to put the customer at ease. I had a girl in Cherry's massage (Cathy) a few weeks ago, and the beginning of the session was very odd. Normally in all the massage shops I have been (at least in Bangkok) , all the girls are very polite and put an effort on that part of the service. Here I went directly to the shop to book her the day before, and the moment I arrived for my session, she did not even great me. She took me upstairs and did not even talk to me apart to say that she comes back (when she went take her stuffs). In fact she did not even talk until we get in the shower together. I was the one who talked to her and tried to make her feel more comfortable. Then she slowly loosened up and became a lot more enjoyable. That girl has a very beautiful body and is a lot more cute in real than her picture on the website. I don't think she can be PSE but at least I enjoyed my 2 pops but unfortunately she is not A+. Her pussy was great and she gave me a very good blowjob for about 10 minutes for my second round. The downsides were that she can barely speak English and she is not the kind of funny girls. I would say that she is the kind that thinks too much and would judge guys quickly even before knowing them. At one point she told me that I look like a poor guy that did something wrong in my country and fled to make a new life in Thailand. LOL.[/QUOTE]It's good you can laugh about it but it seems a lot of the girls in Cherry show no respect to the customer. Poor attitudes like that spread to other girls and the owner / manageress really needs to try and stop it. But when Yaya was being unpleasant to me she just gave me this 'I know it's shit but what can I do?' look. I don't intend to return when there are better looking girls just a short walk away in Orient Massage and much better attitudes and service in Snow White.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1956613]It might be that Cherry's shop does not insist on some of their girls to try to put the customer at ease. I had a girl in Cherry's massage (Cathy) a few weeks ago, and the beginning of the session was very odd. Normally in all the massage shops I have been (at least in Bangkok) , all the girls are very polite and put an effort on that part of the service. Here I went directly to the shop to book her the day before, and the moment I arrived for my session, she did not even great me. She took me upstairs and did not even talk to me apart to say that she comes back (when she went take her stuffs). In fact she did not even talk until we get in the shower together. I was the one who talked to her and tried to make her feel more comfortable. Then she slowly loosened up and became a lot more enjoyable. That girl has a very beautiful body and is a lot more cute in real than her picture on the website. I don't think she can be PSE but at least I enjoyed my 2 pops but unfortunately she is not A+. Her pussy was great and she gave me a very good blowjob for about 10 minutes for my second round. The downsides were that she can barely speak English and she is not the kind of funny girls. I would say that she is the kind that thinks too much and would judge guys quickly even before knowing them. At one point she told me that I look like a poor guy that did something wrong in my country and fled to make a new life in Thailand. LOL.[/QUOTE]Does she at least do deep kiss? And in case is she any good at it?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1956841] Year 2000.1 k for the sex was paid separate. Can't remember the Thai Booran Massage part of the price price but I guess 300 or 400.[/QUOTE]From about 1996-2005, almost 10 years, I was retired so out of touch!

I only have a 5 hour (2-7 pm) lay over but would like soapy. Any good soapy within 30 minutes traveling from BKK (new) airport.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=*****man;1956978] I don't intend to return when there are better looking girls just a short walk away in Orient Massage and much better attitudes and service in Snow White.[/QUOTE]I have the same way of thinking than you do, once I'm disappointed with a girl or a place I don't go back there especially when we can find a better service elsewhere at the same price. I would have repeated her a few times if only she had a better attitude because at least I enjoyed to fuck her. I agree with you about the attitude and service in Snow White as I've met their 3 girls (Aom, Nonny and Ninja) and the service have been consistent every time. Walked in front of Orient a few times and never spotted a beauty and given a bad experience with an experimented girl in that shop a few years ago, did not really want to enter that shop as I suspect that service might be a hit or miss there.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;1957089]I only have a 5 hour (2-7 pm) lay over but would like soapy. Any good soapy within 30 minutes traveling from BKK (new) airport.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Rama IX is about 30 minutes out, less if no traffic. There's Catherine, La Defense, Colonze and Love Boat (next to old Radission). I haven't visited in several years so others jump in with updates.

[QUOTE=*****man;1956978]It's good you can laugh about it but it seems a lot of the girls in Cherry show no respect to the customer. Poor attitudes like that spread to other girls and the owner / manageress really needs to try and stop it. But when Yaya was being unpleasant to me she just gave me this 'I know it's shit but what can I do?' look. I don't intend to return when there are better looking girls just a short walk away in Orient Massage and much better attitudes and service in Snow White.[/QUOTE]Snow White is and always has been my number 1 PSE oily. I've had great sessions in Tulip (Cat and Nancy together and view), Mango (Wan, Mud), Bamboo (Ploy) and more recently Bongkot but Snow White still reigns supreme in my book, It always has a good selection of girls and the service is fabulous (YMMV).

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1957110]Rama IX is about 30 minutes out, less if no traffic. There's Catherine, La Defense, Colonze and Love Boat (next to old Radission). I haven't visited in several years so others jump in with updates.[/QUOTE]The purpose being:

Since someone comes on the forum every week asking for service options when they have short layovers in Bangkok, here is a new thread they can be referred to.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1957110]Rama IX is about 30 minutes out, less if no traffic. There's Catherine, La Defense, Colonze and Love Boat (next to old Radission). I haven't visited in several years so others jump in with updates.[/QUOTE]I believe the Honolulu Love Boat was renamed to Long Beach a while back, but referred to by either name or both together. I haven't visited any of them for several years as well. Also gave up Utopia after it went into serious decline and their girls mainly moved to La Belle (same owners). I have used Amsterdam corner Rama 9 and Ratchada in recent years, until my favorite girl disappeared.

I also have not really been using the Petchburi road Soapies much in recent years, after gave away my regular at La Belle. She had a bad nose job done for no reason.

Overall I don't seem to get the same enjoyment at Soapies that I had many years ago. Too much surgeries is a big factor. Hard to find decent natural girls. Hard to get great GFE in the modern era.

Can't help it, I love soapies. 4. 30 Saturday, checked out a few in Huai Kwang. Contrary to other notifications, Alaina is open. Huge new building, but only 20 in the bowl. Well disciplined, all smiling and waving at the only customer instead of poking at their phones. A few lookers, but all were late 20's and over. (I guess I'm what Thais refer to 'oowa gair' old water buffalo, because they eat only young grass.).

Ocean (the old Colonze 2) had about 20 as well, with a couple of eligible cuties. But I wanted to find someone that gave me that instant zap of electricity.

Merci is next to Nataree. The interior of the building is new and clean. About 25 in the bowl in four classes, from 1800 to 3800. Zap! Of course, M7 was 3800, but you only live once. Slight build, tiny chest, aged about 20. Pale from Chiang Rai, fake nose. She seemed very sweet, and was delightful throughout the session. Good GFE, but no English (my Thai is OK). In all, the usual slightly disappointing soap experience. Of course, you don't go to soapies for amazing technique but for time with someone who seems fresh and unspoiled. She did a lot of BBBJ, and was open to all positions, but no A of course, and no kissing on the mouth. After a while I got bored with the fake noises and finished. WIR? 3800 is ridiculous, but if I wandered in again and saw that cute little face I dunno. And when I left the fishbowl had about 15 more girls, some very eligible.

I spoke to a Thai friend who was a cop. He implies that one of the ways that Prayuth and the dictatorship are impressing the locals is by tackling police corruption. Everyone in business pays the police, even street vendors. So if every week people see on TV some racket getting exposed and shut down, they see that Prayuth is a man of his word. I remember Saturdays at Nataree being parked in a waiting room with girls because all the rooms were in use. That's about 100 rooms. If there are 6 sessions in each room on a busy day, that's nearly 2 million baht. I also remember seeing what must have been the manager simpering and bowing to a group of senior police after a meeting at Nataree. And yes, there were briefcases: sometimes things in reality are that obvious. After the cops left the manager dude was wailing 'mai dai mai dai', 'I can't do this! The point being that Nataree, with the trafficking, huge turnover and huge police payouts was a huge juicy target.

But despite the loss of Nataree, Huai Kwang is swinging. There's about 7 soapies all within a short walk. Next time I'll check the other joints too. Happy punting.

[QUOTE=DanKey;1958886]Can't help it, I love soapies. 4. 30 Saturday, checked out a few in Huai Kwang. Contrary to other notifications, Alaina is open. Huge new building, but only 20 in the bowl. Well disciplined, all smiling and waving at the only customer instead of poking at their phones. A few lookers, but all were late 20's and over. (I guess I'm what Thais refer to 'oowa gair' old water buffalo, because they eat only young grass.).

Ocean (the old Colonze 2) had about 20 as well, with a couple of eligible cuties. But I wanted to find someone that gave me that instant zap of electricity.

Merci is next to Nataree. The interior of the building is new and clean. About 25 in the bowl in four classes, from 1800 to 3800. Zap! Of course, M7 was 3800, but you only live once. Slight build, tiny chest, aged about 20. Pale from Chiang Rai, fake nose. She seemed very sweet, and was delightful throughout the session. Good GFE, but no English (my Thai is OK). In all, the usual slightly disappointing soap experience. Of course, you don't go to soapies for amazing technique but for time with someone who seems fresh and unspoiled. She did a lot of BBBJ, and was open to all positions, but no A of course, and no kissing on the mouth. After a while I got bored with the fake noises and finished. WIR? 3800 is ridiculous, but if I wandered in again and saw that cute little face I dunno. And when I left the fishbowl had about 15 more girls, some very eligible.

[/QUOTE]Great report. Alaina had some young cuties when I went in over a year ago but they were raided by police who rounded up foreign girls so that must have got rid of their young ones. I never partook though as the friendly papasan quoted me all prices with an obvious 500 baht farang surcharge. So it's great to hear that Merci isn't charging that surcharge. I'm happy to pay 3800 baht if the girl is worth it and that's the price that everyone pays. The ilikemassage website confirms that 3800 is indeed the price of an M girl I'll definitely check the place out.

Of course the military government has used its control of the media and elimination of political opposition to convince simple-minded folk that it has eliminated corruption but the reality is corruption is as bad as ever.

I think the closuse of nataree has increased the quality of the other soapies. I lived in Ratchada for 1 year, and only Nataree was worth visiting. It got boring visiting the same place, same-ish girls though. Much more impressed with the other nearby soapies now, whereas during nataree's reign, they were all doing so horribly bad in girl quality.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1959385]I think the closuse of nataree has increased the quality of the other soapies. I lived in Ratchada for 1 year, and only Nataree was worth visiting. It got boring visiting the same place, same-ish girls though. Much more impressed with the other nearby soapies now, whereas during nataree's reign, they were all doing so horribly bad in girl quality.[/QUOTE]The one thing I didn't like about Nataree was that I never actually got the full 90 minutes, unlike Colonze 2 where I always did. How about these other places like Merci? Full 90 minutes?

You can see some Merci girls on this website:

[URL]http://thai-how.com/castlist?id=8097[/URL]

I'd pass on the 2000 baht V girls but some of the 2600 baht S girls look nice, similar to the kind of girls you'd find in Nataree. Would you pay 7800 baht for Guitar (SM1)? She looks classy but not worth that. I think I'd go for Bow (S1). Not bad for 2600 baht. Shampoo (M11) is nice but I don't really go for bleached hair so probably wouldn't pay 3800 baht for her.

[QUOTE=*****man;1959392]The one thing I didn't like about Nataree was that I never actually got the full 90 minutes, unlike Colonze 2 where I always did. How about these other places like Merci? Full 90 minutes?

You can see some Merci girls on this website:

[URL]http://thai-how.com/castlist?id=8097[/URL]

I'd pass on the 2000 baht V girls but some of the 2600 baht S girls look nice, similar to the kind of girls you'd find in Nataree. Would you pay 7800 baht for Guitar (SM1)? She looks classy but not worth that. I think I'd go for Bow (S1). Not bad for 2600 baht. Shampoo (M11) is nice but I don't really go for bleached hair so probably wouldn't pay 3800 baht for her.[/QUOTE]ISn't there an english version?

My sweet thing didn't rush me. As l reported l just got a bit bored bonking away while she pretended to like it. On the plus side she was great eye candy. I was in the room 75 minutes.

[QUOTE=DanKey;1958886]....

After a while I got bored with the fake noises and finished. ....
[/QUOTE]I'd say that the lady's fake noises aren't entirely her fault. Because it's up to the guy to make the lady's noises real, while he is nailing her with his dick.

Fingering the lady's clit, while you are nailing it is a good way to do it.

It's not reasonable for a guy to expect the lady to enjoy it, if he is just doing what's pleasant for himself, and he doesn't go out of his way to please her.

This is just common sense. You need to make an effort to please the lady to make it real for her. And effort by itself isn't enough. You also need to know what you are doing and pay attention to feedback from her. Fake noises are definitely a sign that you need to improve your technique with her.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1959455]ISn't there an english version?[/QUOTE]My software translated it for me.

You should be able to do it too.

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Hi all,

Will be making my yearly trip to thailand next month.

Can anyone update me on the current superstars in Mango, Snow White, Tulip, Bongkot, Candy, Bamboo etc? Any help would be appreciated.

Found myself in Orient Massage today and chose a pretty, young looking girl in a black fairy skirt whose name was Cat. She claimed not to have a baby and it seemed her body was normal to petite. The fairy skirt was hiding a secret though. Although she has slim shoulders and tiny tits, she has quite a belly and a massive arse. Pear shaped is I think the term, which is not what I usually go for so I had to suspend reality and pretend I was with an Asian Kim Kardashian even though the curves weren't there. To be fair I've seen guys getting excited over fatter gogo girls so there's definitely a market for it. The fairy skirt that hides it is deceptive marketing though.

Service was standard for this MP. The rooms are small and grotty and the girls spend far too long faffing around with their box of toiletries and things like drying shower cream bottles and folding towels. And you have to specifically request if you want her to stay until time's up.

I found out she lives near me which is quite near the Ratchada soapies and I asked her why she doesn't work in one. She correctly pointed out she's too fat. So I'll definitely give these non-PSE oilies a miss in future. If I want service I'll go to Snow White and if I want looks I'll check out soapies like Merci mentioned a few posts down.

[QUOTE=JackieChino;1959984]Hi all,

Will be making my yearly trip to thailand next month.

Can anyone update me on the current superstars in Mango, Snow White, Tulip, Bongkot, Candy, Bamboo etc? Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Why not RTFF? The current superstar at Snow White has been reviewed a lot.

[QUOTE=*****man;1960057]Why not RTFF? The current superstar at Snow White has been reviewed a lot.[/QUOTE]Unlike you, I don't have time to "RTFF", which was was why I asked for names in the first place.

[QUOTE=JackieChino;1960082]Unlike you, I don't have time to "RTFF", which was was why I asked for names in the first place.[/QUOTE]That's a funny and insulting comment. Look, if you don't have the time or more likely the inclination to search for and read informed reports BM's have already posted to the forum, that's fine, its up to you, but then ask yourself why we should take the time to spoon feed you reports we have already spent a good deal of our time and effort to write and post in the first place? Nobody is getting paid for posting reports. Most of us who currently post reports do so in an effort to pay it forward the information, tips, and insights we have received from others in the past. Respect is a two way street. If you can't bother to RTFF, I doubt many BM's will want help you out. The ISG is a treasure trove of exactly the kind of information you are seeking. It is all here. Just go back and skim through the past 3 or 4 months of posts until you find what you are looking for or use the advanced search tool. If you can't find the time to do that, it must not be very important to you.

Hi All,

I'm heading out to Bangkok for Thanksgiving. I've RTFF'd a fair bit and have written several reports in the past. I'm just looking for some information please, I will only be in Bangkok for a day or so as I will be heading to Pattaya so I don't have too much time for traipsing around.

I like Wan who used to work at Mango. You can see my report on here if you search on my userid. I thought she was working at Bamboo at soi 8 but I saw this picture on Cherry's Twitter and if this isn't Wan, Then she is a ringer for her.

The other thing I would like to try in Bangkok is a Prostate massage and effectively be milked. I've seen that there is a place called Analisa and another which I have heard of before called Akane, Any recommendations?

Last thing is that I like Snow White on soi 26 so I think I will pop in there, Any point of looking into Tulip or is it still in the doldrums?

Thanks,

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1960100] {Big Snip} If you can't find the time to do that, it must not be very important to you.[/QUOTE]Very well said indeed.

[QUOTE=JackieChino;1960082]Unlike you, I don't have time to "RTFF", which was was why I asked for names in the first place.[/QUOTE]Then hire sex tourist guide. If you don't have the money for that, then don't bother coming here since you're too busy. There are so many freeloaders here, constantly leeching off of contributors.

I just return from a short business trip to Bangkok.

I was not really in my mood to go for hunting so I tried a massage place in front of the Paragon Mall. On the other side of the road there are some massage places.

I went in to one (don't remember the name) and I got a cute girl for my massage.

It was a good one with a nice HJ and BJ on top.

Very nice and clean place.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1960100]That's a funny and insulting comment. Look, if you don't have the time or more likely the inclination to search for and read informed reports BM's have already posted to the forum, that's fine, its up to you, but then ask yourself why we should take the time to spoon feed you reports we have already spent a good deal of our time and effort to write and post in the first place? Nobody is getting paid for posting reports. Most of us who currently post reports do so in an effort to pay it forward the information, tips, and insights we have received from others in the past. Respect is a two way street. If you can't bother to RTFF, I doubt many BM's will want help you out. The ISG is a treasure trove of exactly the kind of information you are seeking. It is all here. Just go back and skim through the past 3 or 4 months of posts until you find what you are looking for or use the advanced search tool. If you can't find the time to do that, it must not be very important to you.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but I DO regularly read the forum and have contributed regularly. Its just that lately, I have been caught up with work a lot and I haven't had the time, which is why I was just asking for current names. I would have searched for reports on those names myself after that. And I don't know how you can find my post insulting but not when someone else tells me to "RTFF" (Read the F*ing Forum).

[QUOTE=JackieChino;1959984]Hi all,

Will be making my yearly trip to thailand next month.

Can anyone update me on the current superstars in Mango, Snow White, Tulip, Bongkot, Candy, Bamboo etc? Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Nope. This is not a service that is currently provided, to list all the superstars in popularity sequence. It takes too much effort.

So RTFF is the only info you get. You get what others feel like posting which may be only smart ass comments. If you have no time then don't bother to open the forum.

I have some clues about some popular SW girls even I don't try them. Do like me and make your own choice.

I wandered into Bongkot yesterday after lunch. There were three girls there and the only one with a pretty face was Nooknik. I had before and she's sweet, can do everything and takes it in the ass like a champ. But to be honest her tits have major baby damage that's a real turn off. Cash wasn't there when I came so I left. The three girls were disappointed. They were all A+ but it just wasn't worth it. Maybe it was the time of day or maybe the shop has gone down hill. Any thoughts?

Stopped into Mango today and Ae caught my eye walking up. I chose her for a 90 min session. To give the benefit of the doubt. I have a hunch that she was ill / not feeling well today. Nice thin figure, bunch of baby damage. Started with the ritual shower and I should have known something was up when she did everything she could to make me pop with a HJ. Then onto bed and back to the HJ action. Here is the kicker, she wouldn't give a BJ in any way. She just wouldn't do it. Did the ritual boom-boom but I was completely put off by the lack of oral that didn't do anything for me. I made the excuse of being jet-lagged and settled for an average massage to fill in the rest of the time.

Didn't think I would get a starfish experience at Mango, very disappointing. I had the luck of running into Ice the first time I went there in Feb, I guess that everything there is going to be downhill after that type of PSE experience.

A few days ago I visited Club 102 at 11 pm. Only 2 girls available. The one I chose, Ajay, was 170 cm, slim but not skinny, with silicones. The silicones were very good looking, but unfortunately quite hard on the touch. Ajay could easily work as a model: super legs and body.

After a thorough cleaning in the shower I got a decent massage before the fun part started. DFK and several position changes later I finished in doggy, enjoying a wonderful GFE.

Club 102 is more expensive, 2600 for 60 minutes, than the competitores in this area, but the rooms are clean and in good condition. The paint doesn't peel of the walls and there is no mould in the corners, as I have seen in many other places. I only wish I had seen the other girls, if there are more like Ajay they are worth what they cost.

After reading good reviews about this place on other internet pages, I decided to give it a try. It is a bit off the road near Rama IX, La Defense is not far away. My expectations rose, the longer the taxi needed in the dense traffic around 6 pm.

As I entered I was shocked: the fishbowl completely empty, not a single girl! What was wrong? I found a papasan, who told me in broken english to wait. Later he took me to the second floor, where he gathered 3 girls in front of the elevator. They were between 1900 and 2200 Baht. Where were the higher priced and more beautiful girls? The girls spoke no english at all and the papasan had trouble telling me these were the only ones available in his broken english.

So after a long taxi ride I didn't want to leave empty handed. I chose the one for 2200 Baht, 155 cm, slim but big natural tits. In the room we took a long bath together before moving to the bed. She was really doing her best and seemed to enjoy it, even though we couldn't communicate, but the spark didn't ignite. After all a solid performance but nothing to remember. And the rooms could use an upgrade.

Maybe it was not the right time or I did something wrong to miss the higher quality, but I would not recommend this place.

I like the Akane experience but one thing confuses me. Rimjobs are on the menu—I've had anywhere from mediocre to great rimming there—the two girl experience is fun, but after all that nastiness most of them are unwilling to take a CIM. I think I've had two girls willing to do that over the years. It's my only complaint about that place.

[QUOTE=SomeAmerican;1963000]I like the Akane experience but one thing confuses me. Rimjobs are on the menuI've had anywhere from mediocre to great rimming therethe two girl experience is fun, but after all that nastiness most of them are unwilling to take a CIM. I think I've had two girls willing to do that over the years. It's my only complaint about that place.[/QUOTE]Just go to Snow White where CIM is surely standard.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1963038]Just go to Snow White where CIM is surely standard.[/QUOTE]Well, yes, I like it, but it's not the same. Two girls, the water mattress.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;1962779]After reading good reviews about this place on other internet pages, I decided to give it a try. It is a bit off the road near Rama IX, La Defense is not far away. My expectations rose, the longer the taxi needed in the dense traffic around 6 pm.

As I entered I was shocked: the fishbowl completely empty, not a single girl! What was wrong? I found a papasan, who told me in broken english to wait. Later he took me to the second floor, where he gathered 3 girls in front of the elevator. They were between 1900 and 2200 Baht. Where were the higher priced and more beautiful girls? The girls spoke no english at all and the papasan had trouble telling me these were the only ones available in his broken english.

So after a long taxi ride I didn't want to leave empty handed. I chose the one for 2200 Baht, 155 cm, slim but big natural tits. In the room we took a long bath together before moving to the bed. She was really doing her best and seemed to enjoy it, even though we couldn't communicate, but the spark didn't ignite. After all a solid performance but nothing to remember. And the rooms could use an upgrade.

Maybe it was not the right time or I did something wrong to miss the higher quality, but I would not recommend this place.[/QUOTE]As this is a place mainly for locals the girls might not start showing up until 7 ish. That's just a guess as I've never been there. There have also been good reviews of Nancy Massage in the area, which is also on my 'to do' list.

[QUOTE=Ehs831;1962720]Stopped into Mango today and Ae caught my eye walking up. I chose her for a 90 min session. To give the benefit of the doubt. I have a hunch that she was ill / not feeling well today. Nice thin figure, bunch of baby damage. Started with the ritual shower and I should have known something was up when she did everything she could to make me pop with a HJ. Then onto bed and back to the HJ action. Here is the kicker, she wouldn't give a BJ in any way. She just wouldn't do it. Did the ritual boom-boom but I was completely put off by the lack of oral that didn't do anything for me. I made the excuse of being jet-lagged and settled for an average massage to fill in the rest of the time.

Didn't think I would get a starfish experience at Mango, very disappointing. I had the luck of running into Ice the first time I went there in Feb, I guess that everything there is going to be downhill after that type of PSE experience.[/QUOTE]I've met her once 1 month ago and was also disappointed. I walked in that Soi and there were many girls sitting in front of their respective shops, saw nothing interesting in Orient or in Addict, Ae was sitting with 3 or 4 fat girls and she looked pretty good so I decided to come back and enter her shop. The line up was big (around 15 girls) but mostly old or dark skinned. She was still the one that looked the best so I took her for a 2 hours massage. First red flag was during the undressing: she did not want to undress in front of me. She undressed me first, made me enter the shower then she went back to undress and dimmed the light before coming in the shower with me. I knew there was something wrong and realized it was because of the damages on her body. In her black tight dress she looked pretty sexy, not so much now that she was undressed. The tummy is damaged but other parts are still OK. Being close to her, I realized that she was pretty old also (I would say around 46). The shower part was good despite the fact that she would try to avoid me seeing her tummy by staying behind me or showing me her back. She likes to tease and makes some body to body contact. Back in the bed she gave me a blowjob but she started it fast. I hate it when it's done fast so I told her that I like it to be done slowly and she adjusted it immediately and it started being very pleasurable. I loved her blowjob, she did it very slowly, softly and for a pretty long time. Then came the second red flag when I wanted to fuck her, she said not now, she was not ready for it. She was in a playful mood and I was not. Maybe she wanted me to eat her first (as she told me during the blowjob that she has some pizza to give me to eat) but I just didn't want to eat her. So after a few more minutes wasted, she sucked me again and again it was a very good suck. At one point I could not hold it and did CIM, she still kept sucking for a minute after that. I thought she was just trying to delay the fuck part (maybe she met too many guys that fuck for very long time). Another thing that I didn't like is that she says bullshit constantly. I like to have a good chat with the girls between my two pops, but it was just not interesting with her because she would not say a word of truth. She even told me that I would have to pay 500 baht more if I want to fuck her ass, and then pretended that it was a joke when she realized that I knew a lot more than she thought. I sometimes have some problems to keep it hard once I put the condom, especial if the resting time between the 2 shots is too short. The second round she started again with a BJ, but I didn't let her do it for a long time as I wanted to fuck her and was a little bit concerned about the remaining time. So I fucked her in mish and after 2 minutes she puts me aside, excused herself and went straight to the toilets. WTF? That happened only once to me before when I was fucking a girl's ass, but never with a pussy. She came back quickly and apologysed again, said that she needed to go take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] but I was done. My dick was already sleeping and I knew it would be hard to get a hard on again. So she went back for the BJ but that time was not so easy, so she slowly puts herself in 69 and then it began being better, but I knew I had only a limited time so I decided that the best option would be to CIM for the second time with her. I did not eat her, but just the view of that pussy and ass was enough to arouse me again. So for a 2 hour massage I could not even fuck her once. She is a very experienced girl and I think everything was deliberate. Would not recommend her, except for her BJ skills maybe. I surely would not go back to her or to that shop again unless they recruit a young a beautiful girl that performs well.

Friday 5 pm checked out First Class (about 12 girls, some prospective) then Emmanuelle (about the same, but overpriced) then Merci (about 15). At Alaina one stood out as cute, slender and fun. It got better. B14 Kon Kate is about 5'8" coffee coloured (lsaan) and about 30. No baby damage, slim, gorgeous and be or see, whatever, medium titties incredibly pert. A jewel. Probably fake nose, definitely expensive teeth but the titties are real.

Hey, it's a soapie. Cute massage before the bubbles, then tittie massage, BBBJ and enthusiasm and energy for all positions, but no kissing or DIY. Completely satisfying. She's charming, pushes a bit to encourage the vinegar stroke, but hey, ignore that. No English (but I speak Ok Thai).

WIR? Definitely. 2,200 be. A bargain. She's away in Osaka working for the next 2 weeks, after that enjoy.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;1962779]After reading good reviews about this place on other internet pages, I decided to give it a try. It is a bit off the road near Rama IX, La Defense is not far away. My expectations rose, the longer the taxi needed in the dense traffic around 6 pm.

As I entered I was shocked: the fishbowl completely empty, not a single girl! What was wrong? I found a papasan, who told me in broken english to wait. Later he took me to the second floor, where he gathered 3 girls in front of the elevator. They were between 1900 and 2200 Baht. Where were the higher priced and more beautiful girls? The girls spoke no english at all and the papasan had trouble telling me these were the only ones available in his broken english.

So after a long taxi ride I didn't want to leave empty handed. I chose the one for 2200 Baht, 155 cm, slim but big natural tits. In the room we took a long bath together before moving to the bed. She was really doing her best and seemed to enjoy it, even though we couldn't communicate, but the spark didn't ignite. After all a solid performance but nothing to remember. And the rooms could use an upgrade.

Maybe it was not the right time or I did something wrong to miss the higher quality, but I would not recommend this place.[/QUOTE]I have visited Victoria twice and both times the line up was far too small to choose a girl.

At Nancy I also failed as line up a little bigger but no pretty girls. Nancy is cheap but but not much class. La Defense has a lot more girls.

Its hard to recommend any of these places for a non Thai person.

I have used Long Beech, Copa Cabana, Poseidon, Emanuelle, and Amsterdam the most.

My buddy and I are in town for a day or two and would like to escape for a few hours. I have browsed through the past 10 - 15 pages, and appreciate the information and time that's fine into the reports.

I'd appreciate any suggestions as to where to find the girls now that Nataree is closed. Is Merci it's successor, or are there other places the forum could suggest? Multi pop would be awesome as well, but might be asking took much.

Thanks for any suggestions, and look forward to making a report.

Going to back in Bangkok for a short time on both ends of a trip to SEA and looking forward to getting back into some action. Also looking to satisfy a particular fetish of mine. Does anyone know of any girls in the PSE oilies who happen to be squirters? Someone mentioned Leena at Tulip is a veritable fountain, so she's on the list. If not in the oilies, any other intel on where to find a gal with that particular set of skills?

You have my thanks, and my promise to follow through with more reports after this trip.

Here is a Field Report on a girl I did yesterday afternoon.

I just popped in to check if there were any new girls, and there she was smiling in full glory. Those looks in her eyes didn't spare me. What sealed the deal was "You can do whatever you want with me kha".

She made it clear that she was up for Anal as well.

Once inside the room, my dick was in her mouth in less than 3 minutes in the shower. She continued in bed, and what lovely BBBJ (reminded me of a girl named Angie from Cherry massage, who used to suck like a a vaccuum cleaner).

Sloppy and thorough licking of the pole, the balls and nice rimming after a long time. She was horny, I could feel her wet, noticed when I fingered her. No lube needed absolutely. Her shapely ass was available and dangling. She is a big tease and knows how to get your manhood's attention. Her lusty eyes made me go even more and I bust my nuts after going good for full 15 minutes in various positions.

In 2 hours we fucked 3 times (I had fucked 3 times in along long time). She was tight in the Pu# department And Yes I did the ass too.

WIR. Hell Yes.

Body type. Not very thin, neither fat. - Slight baby damage.

Skin Type. Isaan Brownie (with makeup of course she looks fair).

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1966496]Here is a Field Report on a girl I did yesterday afternoon.

I just popped in to check if there were any new girls, and there she was smiling in full glory. Those looks in her eyes didn't spare me. What sealed the deal was "You can do whatever you want with me kha".

She made it clear that she was up for Anal as well.

Once inside the room, my dick was in her mouth in less than 3 minutes in the shower. She continued in bed, and what lovely BBBJ (reminded me of a girl named Angie from Cherry massage, who used to suck like a a vaccuum cleaner).

Sloppy and thorough licking of the pole, the balls and nice rimming after a long time. She was horny, I could feel her wet, noticed when I fingered her. No lube needed absolutely. Her shapely ass was available and dangling. She is a big tease and knows how to get your manhood's attention. Her lusty eyes made me go even more and I bust my nuts after going good for full 15 minutes in various positions.

In 2 hours we fucked 3 times (I had fucked 3 times in along long time). She was tight in the Pu# department And Yes I did the ass too.

WIR. Hell Yes.

Body type. Not very thin, neither fat. - Slight baby damage.

Skin Type. Isaan Brownie (with makeup of course she looks fair).[/QUOTE]I'm visiting BK as an ex-pat living in Saigon. What say you about prices for girl like this at _ Thanks bro.

WL.

[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1966501]I'm visiting BK as an ex-pat living in Saigon. What say you about prices for girl like this at _ Thanks bro.

WL.[/QUOTE]If you RTFF, you would know that the standard prices at these oilies isn 2300 bahts for a good 2 hours with multiple pops. (2100 for 1. 5 hrs and 1900 for 1 HR).

I was set to pick-up one of my regular girls for a few days trip out of town but wanted to get a little something in before the drive and thought I could scout snow white for later in the week when I got back. Lineup was average and Ninja was busy so I still didn't manage to lay eyes on her. As I had a nice time with Emmi in September I decided to repeat with her. I only had time for an hour session and she remembered me from before so we got right into it. She is solid performer and takes whatever you can give her, nice A+ in doggy and then mish to finish. She did say she wanted me to finish in her mouth but I got a bit too excited. I go to SW for the A+ and reliability of service and they do not disappoint. Emmi was just what I needed for a quick hour and I would repeat. Body – 6, Face -7, Skills-8. 5, attitude-9.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1966510]I was set to pick-up one of my regular girls for a few days trip out of town but wanted to get a little something in before the drive and thought I could scout snow white for later in the week when I got back. Lineup was average and Ninja was busy so I still didn't manage to lay eyes on her. As I had a nice time with Emmi in September I decided to repeat with her. I only had time for an hour session and she remembered me from before so we got right into it. She is solid performer and takes whatever you can give her, nice A+ in doggy and then mish to finish. She did say she wanted me to finish in her mouth but I got a bit too excited. I go to SW for the A+ and reliability of service and they do not disappoint. Emmi was just what I needed for a quick hour and I would repeat. Body 6, Face -7, Skills-8. 5, attitude-9.[/QUOTE]I would give Emmy's body more than a 6. She's no spring chicken but she doesn't have a baby either so she's well-toned with nice flat tummy, pert tits which are not too small and a nice little arse. She might not compare to a top gogo girl but she's better than most oily girls.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1966496]Here is a Field Report on a girl I did yesterday afternoon.

I just popped in to check if there were any new girls, and there she was smiling in full glory. Those looks in her eyes didn't spare me. What sealed the deal was "You can do whatever you want with me kha".

She made it clear that she was up for Anal as well.

Once inside the room, my dick was in her mouth in less than 3 minutes in the shower. She continued in bed, and what lovely BBBJ (reminded me of a girl named Angie from Cherry massage, who used to suck like a a vaccuum cleaner).

Sloppy and thorough licking of the pole, the balls and nice rimming after a long time. She was horny, I could feel her wet, noticed when I fingered her. No lube needed absolutely. Her shapely ass was available and dangling. She is a big tease and knows how to get your manhood's attention. Her lusty eyes made me go even more and I bust my nuts after going good for full 15 minutes in various positions.

In 2 hours we fucked 3 times (I had fucked 3 times in along long time). She was tight in the Pu# department And Yes I did the ass too.

WIR. Hell Yes.

Body type. Not very thin, neither fat. - Slight baby damage.

Skin Type. Isaan Brownie (with makeup of course she looks fair).[/QUOTE]She looks cute in the first photo but a bit unfeminine in the second. Maybe it's just the funny face she's pulling. 'Slight' is a bit subjective when it comes to baby damage. No stretch marks, deflated tits or bloated nipples? I might check her out as I've never been to Sky. Have you tried Tangmo? On their website she looks the most doable.

Yeah, I wouldn't disagree on that. I was on the fence when I started writing everything yesterday. Should I use the same 1-10 scale for both massage places, soapies, and gogos, or make them relevant to the category of where the girl is? Thoughts from others? I tried to keep it a straight scale, but honestly I think an adjusted scale for massage places, soapies, and gogos would be more appropriate.

[QUOTE=*****man;1966749]I would give Emmy's body more than a 6. She's no spring chicken but she doesn't have a baby either so she's well-toned with nice flat tummy, pert tits which are not too small and a nice little arse. She might not compare to a top gogo girl but she's better than most oily girls.[/QUOTE]

I miss the long time thai GF who had been a part in every trip I had taken to Thailand up until this one. But the last 2 visits were bumpy with her and I am reasonably sure she picked herself up a loser thai BF so after some strange chat exchanges I didn't even see her this trip. The backup GF just isn't the same and after 3 nights was pleased to be flying solo again.

I checked back into the landmark and they said they only had a room with 2 beds and I said that doesn't work for me and they upgraded me to a suite which was awesome. Unfortunatly the next day I had a different reservation for the remainder of the trip through my credit card and they had me change back to a regular room, but it was still nice for a night.

I headed straight to 24 and 24/1. Did a walk-through of each and ended up at addict, it was a Sunday afternoon and they were doing a good business. The girls were already lined up and there were 4 Japanese ahead of me. Lineup was deep maybe 15-20 girls. I took a seat and started eyeing the girl right in front of me, she was a bit shy and clearly on the young side (19 as it turned out). I chose her and up we went. She was new to the job, young and inexperienced, with no tits what so ever, but the rest of the body and the face were terrific. Non-trimmed Bush which was a bit interesting, but variety is the spice of life right? Session was average and she said I was her first farang ever which I actually believe. She was a bit shy but didn't complain or resist anything and was a good session. Definitely a diamond in the rough. If she is there in a couple of months I would suggest giving her a try as long as you don't mind the lack of funnabongos. Name was Tan. Body – 8, Face -9, Skills-5, attitude-7.

After never managing to cross Ninja on my previous SW visits I called and booked appointment this time. Was early on a Monday, like 3 pm and they said I was only 3rd customer of shop for whole day and her first so something to be noted maybe Monday is a good day to get girls fresh and eager. Since I hadn't even laid eyes on her I limited it to an hour session, but honestly I think that's a waste. The extra 400 thb is so little might as well always just do two hours and can leave early if you want to just get a BJ for a while. Just my 2 cents. So I finally get to see her and I was happy with my decision. Nice cute girl, bit of the that college baby fat on her, but still nice young body and no baby. Having seen to be mostly with minimal tit girls this trip she had a nice set of BS to play with which was nice. She was a sweat heart which was bit surprising given the amount of business she is getting daily. We got along well and even though I pack a large package and it took some time we got it in that cute young ass and boy was it tight, everything I was hoping it to be. BJ was average and pussy was nice and tight. She was decent in cowgirl and happy to do anything I wanted. Lazy dog with the mirrors is my preference for A+ or even doggy since seeing the face is so much more a turn off for me. Overall I was quite pleased and I liked the youth and chemistry so came back to see her a few days later for the full two hours. Again great session even better this time since had a lot more time to play. I didn't have any problems with round 2 but just couldn't get across the finish line and we spent a long time trying which I appreciated. Seems to be a reoccurring problem for me likely do to getting older or just getting too much action while in LOS, hahaha. I can see why she has become so popular and I wonder how long she will stay. I tipped her both times, the first since I was establishing a little rapport for the 2nd visit I knew was coming and the 2nd time for all the extra effort trying for that 2nd close. I really worked her ass that 2nd visit so I think a bit extra was well deserved. I will definitely repeat with her next trip.

[QUOTE=*****man;1966751]She looks cute in the first photo but a bit unfeminine in the second. Maybe it's just the funny face she's pulling. 'Slight' is a bit subjective when it comes to baby damage. No stretch marks, deflated tits or bloated nipples? I might check her out as I've never been to Sky. Have you tried Tangmo? On their website she looks the most doable.[/QUOTE]Haven't tried Tangmo. I have tried only 2 girls there. Nanny and Guitar. Yes everyone's opinion is subjective, so whatever much I explain is still my perspective.

I did not ask her for a full frontal nude to show you the baby damage. 5555.

But she was acceptable for me. Anyway more than 60-70% of the ladies in these oilies are single moms / MILFs already.

I can't recall if I read something on this board or somewhere else but had heard something positive about momo massage in thong lo and wanted to expand my horizons and try one of the Japanese oriented shops and see how the service differed. From their website the map makes it easy to find right by the thong lo BTS stop. Small shop but mamasan spoke good English and was professional and friendly. Started with the book to show me who was there and share information about them and stated I could see the girls whenever I wanted. There wasn't a lot available, maybe 4 girls which was disappointing. Whittled in down to 2 and then seeing them in person chose Yumi ([URL]http://momothonglor.com/mai/yumi/[/URL]). Price is a little on the higher side at 2100 for an hour vs the normal 1900. Rooms were on the slightly above average side for massage places, but quite spacious. Routine was pretty standard maybe a bit more attention than a normal shop but nothing notable. The pics of the girl are touched up and done well as looking at them now she wasn't nearly as young or as cute. Girls English was below thai average (not unexpected since it is more a Japanese shop), body was simply ok, nothing to write home about. Overall I was generally unimpressed, service was about that same as any decent shop. Selection was light and at a little price premium. If I was in thong lo for something else and didn't want to get on BTS maybe I would go back, but otherwise I was underwhelmed. Body – 6, Face -6, Skills-5, attitude-5.

Basically wasn't a loss but not a win either. Glad I tried something new, and am going to try to add one new shop each trip just for research purposes. Next to the shop was another one, but I can't remember the name, may do that next time. My buddy didn't know the name, but walking on 26 the other night opposite SW a door opened all japanese writing and the girls were encourging him inside, he said there were about 20 girls mostly good looking. Anyone got an idea on what the shop may be?

I had some some time to kill, so I figured I would try out the new Analisa location off of Suk Soi 6. It's a lot more convenient to get there now. Less than a 5 Min walk from the Nana BTS. Even though it's very close to Nana Plaza, I think the location is very discreet. There aren't any other MP's around it. It looks like a completely legit MP from the outside. There is nothing to suggest what's offered on the menu inside. The girls all seem to be wearing a uniform of sorts now consisting of black polos and pants. Before it seemed that they just wore whatever they liked. The service menu is still the same and discounted temporarily I assume to get people in the new shop. The building and facilities are nicer. It seems that they just took over from a legit MP that used to be there. I took the 1 hour PM massage for 1200. The service and girl were as expected there. Pretty good actually for the price. The girl was pretty average, but they stay clothed and just provide the service paid for. So they don't have to be stunner there. I have had a couple pretty girls there before. The room I was in was nicer than the previous shop. The room had 2 large massage tables with the sliding curtains and a private shower. I would seriously hope that they wouldn't have 2 punters in that room at once. One guy getting a finger up the ass while another was taking it from a strap on. That could be a bit awkward for most. But the private shower with toilet in the room was nice. Everything was very clean. I think overall that the place just looks even more like a regular shop with no extras. But if one strolls in and takes a peek at his options on the menu, then a few non-mongers might get a surprise I think.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1967419]I can't recall if I read something on this board or somewhere else but had heard something positive about momo massage in thong lo and wanted to expand my horizons and try one of the Japanese oriented shops and see how the service differed. From their website the map makes it easy to find right by the thong lo BTS stop. Small shop but mamasan spoke good English and was professional and friendly. Started with the book to show me who was there and share information about them and stated I could see the girls whenever I wanted. There wasn't a lot available, maybe 4 girls which was disappointing. Whittled in down to 2 and then seeing them in person chose Yumi ([URL]http://momothonglor.com/mai/yumi/[/URL]). Price is a little on the higher side at 2100 for an hour vs the normal 1900. Rooms were on the slightly above average side for massage places, but quite spacious. Routine was pretty standard maybe a bit more attention than a normal shop but nothing notable. The pics of the girl are touched up and done well as looking at them now she wasn't nearly as young or as cute. Girls English was below thai average (not unexpected since it is more a Japanese shop), body was simply ok, nothing to write home about. Overall I was generally unimpressed, service was about that same as any decent shop. Selection was light and at a little price premium. If I was in thong lo for something else and didn't want to get on BTS maybe I would go back, but otherwise I was underwhelmed. Body 6, Face -6, Skills-5, attitude-5.

Basically wasn't a loss but not a win either. Glad I tried something new, and am going to try to add one new shop each trip just for research purposes. Next to the shop was another one, but I can't remember the name, may do that next time. My buddy didn't know the name, but walking on 26 the other night opposite SW a door opened all japanese writing and the girls were encourging him inside, he said there were about 20 girls mostly good looking. Anyone got an idea on what the shop may be?[/QUOTE]I guess I have a contrasting philosophy. Places or venues mean so little to me. For me, I always consider I am trying a particular girl. As for the place, its really just a question of if they have any girls of interest, worth trying. If the line up was completely crap, I would just move on. My testing a girl, only makes sense if there would be potential to repeat her. No point to test a girl who is just not good looking enough to ever want to repeat.

For guys, that don't like repeating, they just get a never ending set of random fucks, I suppose.

So I am a little surprised you choose a girl that you rate the face 6 and body 6. Your marks may well be very fair. I notice in pics she has both nose and tit jobs and would not be my choice. Another girl Bee on website might be acceptable to me if her pics are at all realistic.

So you are underwhealmed by the girl fair enough. Every place has some crappy girls. I don't really assess a place based on that. If consistent visits never offer any girls worth trying, then I probably give the place away.

Its worth mentioning the time of your visit roughly so we could gauge if it seems reasonable the line up was so thin or not.

Your intel is useful in a negative way. Just another shop with nothing stunning at the time of visit. However if you found "stunners" I would obviously get more interested.

[QUOTE=*****man;1966749]I would give Emmy's body more than a 6. She's no spring chicken but she doesn't have a baby either so she's well-toned with nice flat tummy, pert tits which are not too small and a nice little arse. She might not compare to a top gogo girl but she's better than most oily girls.[/QUOTE]I was thinking the same thing. He does not say why he gave a 6. Perhaps he likes large tits.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1966496]Here is a Field Report on a girl I did yesterday afternoon.

I just popped in to check if there were any new girls, and there she was smiling in full glory. Those looks in her eyes didn't spare me. What sealed the deal was "You can do whatever you want with me kha".

She made it clear that she was up for Anal as well.

Once inside the room, my dick was in her mouth in less than 3 minutes in the shower. She continued in bed, and what lovely BBBJ (reminded me of a girl named Angie from Cherry massage, who used to suck like a a vaccuum cleaner).

Sloppy and thorough licking of the pole, the balls and nice rimming after a long time. She was horny, I could feel her wet, noticed when I fingered her. No lube needed absolutely. Her shapely ass was available and dangling. She is a big tease and knows how to get your manhood's attention. Her lusty eyes made me go even more and I bust my nuts after going good for full 15 minutes in various positions.

In 2 hours we fucked 3 times (I had fucked 3 times in along long time). She was tight in the Pu# department And Yes I did the ass too.

WIR. Hell Yes.

Body type. Not very thin, neither fat. - Slight baby damage.

Skin Type. Isaan Brownie (with makeup of course she looks fair).[/QUOTE]Great report. It seems to contain all the info one might need, to interest others to try.

I absolutley agree she is better than most oily girls. Hence reason I have taken her 2 times now. I was thinking more on scale of a 10 being that super fine model from Lord. But I think perhaps better to start using 1-10 scale based on category, Gogo, Oily, Soapy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1967682]I was thinking the same thing. He does not say why he gave a 6. Perhaps he likes large tits.[/QUOTE]

Reason I still took the girl was curiosity if the service would be different in shop and she was good enough and I didn't want to shop further that day as it was about to rain. Time was 4:30/5 on teusday the 8th. The "not anything special" was the end result of my research beyond the 24 and 24/1 shops I normally frequent. I should note that a higher performance from her would have resulted in a repeat, and perhaps I am handicapping the looks score based on just average experience. The SW girls probably look better in my memory since the performance is usually top notch.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1967667]I guess I have a contrasting philosophy. Places or venues mean so little to me. For me, I always consider I am trying a particular girl. As for the place, its really just a question of if they have any girls of interest, worth trying. If the line up was completely crap, I would just move on. My testing a girl, only makes sense if there would be potential to repeat her. No point to test a girl who is just not good looking enough to ever want to repeat.

For guys, that don't like repeating, they just get a never ending set of random fucks, I suppose.

So I am a little surprised you choose a girl that you rate the face 6 and body 6. Your marks may well be very fair. I notice in pics she has both nose and tit jobs and would not be my choice. Another girl Bee on website might be acceptable to me if her pics are at all realistic.

So you are underwhealmed by the girl fair enough. Every place has some crappy girls. I don't really assess a place based on that. If consistent visits never offer any girls worth trying, then I probably give the place away.

Its worth mentioning the time of your visit roughly so we could gauge if it seems reasonable the line up was so thin or not.

Your intel is useful in a negative way. Just another shop with nothing stunning at the time of visit. However if you found "stunners" I would obviously get more interested.[/QUOTE]

Visited Honeybee and booked Pink ahead of time for a 90 minute session. When I arrived around 10 pm, there were four or five girls sitting around. The room is kind of old but clean. Mirror next to the bed which is nice. Pink is a good performer, has very small nipples which I like very much. Body- 8, Face- 8, Skills- 8.5, Attitude- 9. English is basic not fluent as desirable. Next time will out call her to hotel (B3000).

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1966496]Here is a Field Report on a girl I did yesterday afternoon.

I just popped in to check if there were any new girls, and there she was smiling in full glory. Those looks in her eyes didn't spare me. What sealed the deal was "You can do whatever you want with me kha".

She made it clear that she was up for Anal as well.

Once inside the room, my dick was in her mouth in less than 3 minutes in the shower. She continued in bed, and what lovely BBBJ (reminded me of a girl named Angie from Cherry massage, who used to suck like a a vaccuum cleaner).

Sloppy and thorough licking of the pole, the balls and nice rimming after a long time. She was horny, I could feel her wet, noticed when I fingered her. No lube needed absolutely. Her shapely ass was available and dangling. She is a big tease and knows how to get your manhood's attention. Her lusty eyes made me go even more and I bust my nuts after going good for full 15 minutes in various positions.

In 2 hours we fucked 3 times (I had fucked 3 times in along long time). She was tight in the Pu# department And Yes I did the ass too.

WIR. Hell Yes.

Body type. Not very thin, neither fat. - Slight baby damage.

Skin Type. Isaan Brownie (with makeup of course she looks fair).[/QUOTE]I found the website for this place. It looks like a new place that just opened up.

[URL]http://sky-massage.com/ladies.html[/URL]

Your experience with this lady sounds to me like the legendary Tulip Massage experience used to be for many guys who visited there.

This lady must be pretty good at keeping you in the mood. It's like cum or no cum, she isn't yet done. Your cock she resurrects, fully knowing that soon you'll be plowing one more time.

It's difficult to feel relaxed as you scan the small room. 10 plus smiling faces saying pick me pick me. Umm 4th on the right not bad, then you see her. She is not looking at you, not smiling but there is something about her so you turn to the mamsan and point to the girl in the corner. She seems surprised and even reluctant and you feel oh oh wrong decision. At this stage I always order a beer and ask the girl if she would like one. She says yes and we head upstairs. The stairways in Bangkok shop houses were not built for tall farangs and when she turned to tell me to watch my head her smile and the realization that her body was perfectly shaped told me this could be special.

Her name is Bonus, 22 year old recruit two weeks into her new profession. Joined the Snow White team on the recommendation of a friend working there. After a rocky start with a difficult Korean she is beginning to settle in and feels excited about the kind of money she can make. Her best day was on her recent birthday when she pulled in 10,000 getting lucky with some Japanese customers.

Her English is good. As we drank our beers we chatted. She was very open and honest about her feelings. She wants to be successful and is prepared to give her everything to make that happen. She knows that repeat bookings are key and told me she has already had six.

Her love making is 100% GFE lots of kissing and touching. All services are available except anal but she knows that working at SW requires her to have this on her resume. She says in time within a month or so and with the right customer she will surrender her ass. Is this true or a lure to repeat? Time will tell I guess.

She does not compare to Ninja for technical prowess and if full on PSE is your thing then don't bother. For my tastes she is the sweetest girl I have met in a long time. I am no fool and always keep open the possibility that she is another consummate actress with a story but I don't care, my 2 hours with her were the best experience I have had in recent memory.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1968327]I found the website for this place. It looks like a new place that just opened up.

[URL]http://sky-massage.com/ladies.html[/URL]

Your experience with this lady sounds to me like the legendary Tulip Massage experience used to be for many guys who visited there.

This lady must be pretty good at keeping you in the mood. It's like cum or no cum, she isn't yet done. Your cock she resurrects, fully knowing that soon you'll be plowing one more time.[/QUOTE]This shop looks like a sister shop to Snow White. I notice Bonus is listed on both sites. For sure she no longer works at 26 replaced by a new Bonus about whom I recently posted.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1967823]Reason I still took the girl was curiosity if the service would be different in shop and she was good enough and I didn't want to shop further that day as it was about to rain. Time was 4:30/5 on teusday the 8th. The "not anything special" was the end result of my research beyond the 24 and 24/1 shops I normally frequent. I should note that a higher performance from her would have resulted in a repeat, and perhaps I am handicapping the looks score based on just average experience. The SW girls probably look better in my memory since the performance is usually top notch.[/QUOTE]I don't think the service level belongs to the shop, it belongs to the particular girl and affected by chemistry. You should rate the looks before you fuck and try to stick to that. Only for guys that have tried several girls in a shop, can the shop service levels really be assessed. We get to understand that Snow White has a high average service level, as example, even with a high percentage of suspect mildly Psycho customers. Girls tell me many customers are really warped. LOL.

I always rate looks and service completely independently, as best I can. To try not think a girl is gorgeous just be because she fucks damn good. It's biased. I can overlook looks faults for girls damn good, but remain very picky about looks. I can get easily put off by fake noses and fake tits, unless very good jobs, which is less than 10%.

So if I rate a girl 6 for face and 6 for body, It's very unlikely I will take her. I know a bargirl that scores 9 and 9, but unfortunately is available rarely due to studies. I still have a massage girl pretty good with 7. 5 and 8 looks, and good GFE service. It's hard to drop back to 6 and 6 looks. No reason for me to do. I am not in such a hurry.

I have no doubt that service levels and management attitude to customer satisfaction are inextricably linked. Yes individual girls have varying degrees of skill due to experience and natural affinity for the work and the more successful knowing real money comes from repeat business will always deliver but if the owner / management has little or no interest in whether the punter enjoyed himself or not in my experience this a place best avoided as the likelihood of a bad experience increases exponentially. With training and knowing it is the standard that they give their best whenever chosen most girls will become if not outstanding at least competent enough to leave the customer satisfied.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1968336]Bonus, 22 year old recruit two weeks into her new profession. Joined the Snow White team on the recommendation of a friend working there. After a rocky start with a difficult Korean she is beginning to settle in and feels excited about the kind of money she can make. Her best day was on her recent birthday when she pulled in 10,000 getting lucky with some Japanese customers.
[/QUOTE]Wow, she said two weeks? She's been there for almost six years. LOL.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1968427]This shop looks like a sister shop to Snow White. I notice Bonus is listed on both sites. For sure she no longer works at 26 replaced by a new Bonus about whom I recently posted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1968570]Wow, she said two weeks? She's been there for almost six years. LOL.[/QUOTE]These are their professional nicknames, not their real nicknames. I hear the old Bonus was popular so maybe the Snow White mamasan sees the similarity and gave her that name. I'll take her as soon as she starts A+.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1968480]I have no doubt that service levels and management attitude to customer satisfaction are inextricably linked. Yes individual girls have varying degrees of skill due to experience and natural affinity for the work and the more successful knowing real money comes from repeat business will always deliver but if the owner / management has little or no interest in whether the punter enjoyed himself or not in my experience this a place best avoided as the likelihood of a bad experience increases exponentially. With training and knowing it is the standard that they give their best whenever chosen most girls will become if not outstanding at least competent enough to leave the customer satisfied.[/QUOTE]This explains why girls in Snow White have an excellent attitude and some girls in Cherry have a really poor attitude. It's all about superior management.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1968336]

She does not compare to Ninja for technical prowess and if full on PSE is your thing then don't bother. For my tastes she is the sweetest girl I have met in a long time. I am no fool and always keep open the possibility that she is another consummate actress with a story but I don't care, my 2 hours with her were the best experience I have had in recent memory.[/QUOTE]You didn't mention her looks at all. Is this the tall, dark-skinned girl or another newbie?

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1968336]It's difficult to feel relaxed as you scan the small room. 10 plus smiling faces saying pick me pick me. Umm 4th on the right not bad, then you see her. She is not looking at you, not smiling but there is something about her so you turn to the mamsan and point to the girl in the corner. She seems surprised and even reluctant and you feel oh oh wrong decision. At this stage I always order a beer and ask the girl if she would like one. She says yes and we head upstairs. The stairways in Bangkok shop houses were not built for tall farangs and when she turned to tell me to watch my head her smile and the realization that her body was perfectly shaped told me this could be special.

Her name is Bonus, 22 year old recruit two weeks into her new profession. Joined the Snow White team on the recommendation of a friend working there. After a rocky start with a difficult Korean she is beginning to settle in and feels excited about the kind of money she can make. Her best day was on her recent birthday when she pulled in 10,000 getting lucky with some Japanese customers..[/QUOTE]I am curious that she claims two weeks into her new profession. I remember seeing her pictures on SW website for quite some time. Also she is listed on Sky Massage ([URL]http://sky-massage.com/ladies.html[/URL]) under the same nick name Bonus. Anyways, the masseuses sometimes are telling stories far true from their past.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1968427]This shop looks like a sister shop to Snow White. I notice Bonus is listed on both sites. For sure she no longer works at 26 replaced by a new Bonus about whom I recently posted.[/QUOTE]Sorry Franciscass,

Just saw this post of yours. Understand that there is a new "Bonus" in SW. Ignore my previous post regarding the new girl at SW.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;1968627]I am curious that she claims two weeks into her new profession. I remember seeing her pictures on SW website for quite some time. Also she is listed on Sky Massage ([URL]http://sky-massage.com/ladies.html[/URL]) under the same nick name Bonus. Anyways, the masseuses sometimes are telling stories far true from their past.[/QUOTE]There was a girl called Bonus who left some time back. The new girl I referred to uses the same name hence the confusion. Snow White needs to update their site. As to the new girl's looks personally while not a stand out I found her above average attractive but it more her personality that won me over.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1968480]I have no doubt that service levels and management attitude to customer satisfaction are inextricably linked. Yes individual girls have varying degrees of skill due to experience and natural affinity for the work and the more successful knowing real money comes from repeat business will always deliver but if the owner / management has little or no interest in whether the punter enjoyed himself or not in my experience this a place best avoided as the likelihood of a bad experience increases exponentially. With training and knowing it is the standard that they give their best whenever chosen most girls will become if not outstanding at least competent enough to leave the customer satisfied.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. Management has everything to do with the gal's attitude and performance. They set the standard. If management does not insist the gals deliver a high level of service, they won't. I think the trend over the past few years is to not be as demanding. Why? Because in order to get and maintain a staff that looks decent, management cannot be as strict. There are far more oilies and competition for gals is quite fierce. Many of the shops on 24/1 allow the gals to work part time (2 weeks per month, which allows them to travel overseas to work the other two weeks), come to work at 5 pm, and give CBJ, one shot, etc. The lookers will flock towards those shops.

Overall I have found Saeng's shops (Tulip and Bongkot) to be providing the best service at the current time and for that matter over the decade that I have been a devoted oily denizen. She tries to recruit from her hometown and prefers gals that have not worked in other shops. Truly a winning formula. SW is a second in performance, but makes up a bit in the looks dept. I have just not found the gals there in recent years to be as intense as say Golf and Opor at Tulip. And yes, I have tried Ninja twice and found her meh at best. For the first few years of its existence, Mango was exceptional, with some really lookers who were all PSEs (Cherry, Ann, Mook, Apple, Bo, etc). Not so much the case in recent years.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1968732]There was a girl called Bonus who left some time back. The new girl I referred to uses the same name hence the confusion. Snow White needs to update their site. As to the new girl's looks personally while not a stand out I found her above average attractive but it more her personality that won me over.[/QUOTE]Is there even one other poster on this forum who would choose a girl in an MP based soley on personality? Some indication of her looks would be helpful. Tall or short? Fat or thin? Dark or fair? Baby? Tattoos? Breast size?

[QUOTE=*****man;1968813]Is there even one other poster on this forum who would choose a girl in an MP based soley on personality? Some indication of her looks would be helpful. Tall or short? Fat or thin? Dark or fair? Baby? Tattoos? Breast size?[/QUOTE]Obviously of course it's the visuals that prompts initial selection but in the room assuming service is acceptable it's as much the personality as anything else that I remember and brings me back. If that's unusual so be it. As I said somewhere else her appearance is fine, her body is delightful, l no baby, tallish, small butterfly tattoo over left boob and breast size I would say B-C. Anything else I can help you with today sir?

[QUOTE=Vodkin;1968664]Sorry Franciscass,

Just saw this post of yours. Understand that there is a new "Bonus" in SW. Ignore my previous post regarding the new girl at SW.[/QUOTE]Same girl. Even the same tattoo.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1968886]Same girl. Even the same tattoo.[/QUOTE]If the Bonus I met is the same Bonus that has been working there 5 years then she is the best grifter I've come across and I've met my fair share over the years. But you may be right, I cannot tell from the pic on the site.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1968886]Same girl. Even the same tattoo.[/QUOTE]You mean you've been into Snow White over the past couple of weeks and the girl called Bonus is the same one who has been there for 6 years? We're not talking about the photo on the SW website which is obviously the old Bonus. Somebody is clearly getting confused.

[QUOTE=*****man;1968902]You mean you've been into Snow White over the past couple of weeks and the girl called Bonus is the same one who has been there for 6 years? We're not talking about the photo on the SW website which is obviously the old Bonus. Somebody is clearly getting confused.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I was there few days ago. Bonus even remembered me from when she was at Sky Massage a few months back.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1968917]Yeah. I was there few days ago. Bonus even remembered me from when she was at Sky Massage a few months back.[/QUOTE]Sounds like she did a great job of fooling Franciscass into thinking she was a newbie. Must be a true pro.

[QUOTE=*****man;1968921]Sounds like she did a great job of fooling Franciscass into thinking she was a newbie. Must be a true pro.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she doesn't do anal because some guy ripped her ass a few years back. She's hasn't been keen since.

[QUOTE=*****man;1968921]Sounds like she did a great job of fooling Franciscass into thinking she was a newbie. Must be a true pro.[/QUOTE]There is no fool like an old fool. She got me good. I'm off to the temple of shame. Thing is I paid just the standard 1500 and had a great time. I guess that is just how she gets her kicks. I'm definitely going back pretending I still believe her but now I'm holding the aces or maybe not.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1968327]I found the website for this place. It looks like a new place that just opened up.

[URL]http://sky-massage.com/ladies.html[/URL]

Your experience with this lady sounds to me like the legendary Tulip Massage experience used to be for many guys who visited there.

This lady must be pretty good at keeping you in the mood. It's like cum or no cum, she isn't yet done. Your cock she resurrects, fully knowing that soon you'll be plowing one more time.[/QUOTE]Well it Sky massage has its origins in Tulip.

Nong who used to work in Tulip long time back, who is now the owner of Snow-white is also the owner of Sky. So no surprises here.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1968955]Well it Sky massage has its origins in Tulip.

Nong who used to work in Tulip long time back, who is now the owner of Snow-white is also the owner of Sky. So no surprises here.[/QUOTE]For me, it's a bit of a surprise that having a woman owner is better for guys. It seems like an experienced woman understands guys better than guys understand each other. Because most massage parlors are owned and controlled by guys. And they come nowhere near the kind of service you've described.

I suppose, this makes sense, if you think about it.

A guy owner doesn't have any sexual experience with other guys. He has only his own male experience to go by. Which means that he is very limited in understanding all the other guys who might be different from him in their taste, fantasies, and desire. A guy owner is likely to style the service according to his own personal tastes and desires. Which might not work for many guys, who are different from him.

But an experienced woman owner has been with so many different guys, that she understands how guys can be different from each other, and she knows how to accommodate everybody, rather than just set it up in her own narrow way.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1966496]Here is a Field Report on a girl I did yesterday afternoon.

I just popped in to check if there were any new girls, and there she was smiling in full glory. Those looks in her eyes didn't spare me. What sealed the deal was "You can do whatever you want with me kha".

She made it clear that she was up for Anal as well.

Once inside the room, my dick was in her mouth in less than 3 minutes in the shower. She continued in bed, and what lovely BBBJ (reminded me of a girl named Angie from Cherry massage, who used to suck like a a vaccuum cleaner)..[/QUOTE]Can confirm almost all of the above!

Went there based on this post alone (first time there), asked for Guitar, was quoted 1900 baht for 1 hour and up to the room we went. Even before taking off her clothes she made it clear that she was up for #2 as well. Got a great blowjob in the shower, and came in her mouth. Blowjobs usually don't do it for me, so must've been something special! Anyway, off to the bed for the massage, which turned out to be more of the body-to-body type you get in the soapies than a regular oil massage. Man, this girl sure enjoys giving rim jobs! Never got that from a Thai girl before. She was well on her way of giving me a prostate massage as well, so I bet you can get it if you want it.

Sadly enough the big guy didn't fully recover from the shower blowjob, even with an extended 30 minutes (200 baht extra), so didn't get to do #2. All in all she is definitely a nympho, wildest massage I've ever got from a Thai girl.

But now to the "almost" part of the quoted post: in my personal opinion she is fat. Not sure what to call the baby damage, but it's definitely there, perhaps slightly more than slight. If I had asked for a line up I wouldn't even have considered her, on my scale she's a 5 tops looks wise, but of course everybody's scale differs. I usually like to shop around for the really petite ladies, and that she ain't. Had she been I'd probably been able to get it up for #2 and one or two more shots.

Anyway, can definitely recommend her if you're not too fixated on super skinny ladies and enjoy FMAACIMM ("Fuck my ass and cum in my mouth", as one lady on Soi 6 in Pattaya once held up a sign saying with a big smile.

[QUOTE=MadMax81;1969050]But now to the "almost" part of the quoted post: in my personal opinion she is fat. Not sure what to call the baby damage, but it's definitely there, perhaps slightly more than slight. If I had asked for a line up I wouldn't even have considered her, on my scale she's a 5 tops looks wise, but of course everybody's scale differs. I usually like to shop around for the really petite ladies, and that she ain't. Had she been I'd probably been able to get it up for #2 and one or two more shots.[/QUOTE]Shame to hear about the baby drag. That always wilts the pecker with me. Shame we can't find gals in LOS that perform like this who are 8's, 9's, and 10's in the looks dept.

Hi all,

Been a long time since I visited LOS. I'll be coming to Pattaya for 6 nights where I'll be staying with my sort of GF. Before I head to Pattaya thought of trying A+ service at one of the parlor in Bangkok.

I've some weird questions:

1 - Since I'll be traveling to Pattaya, is it okay / acceptable / alright / possible to go to an Oily massage center with luggage? I just don't want to book a hotel just for keeping my luggage for couple of hours.

2 - I'll be landing in the morning, what can I expect in terms of availability of ladies between 10-11 AM?

I can go to Pattaya and take a good service before my girl arrives to Hotel, but not many options in Pattaya in terms of A+ service.

Regards,

Tom

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1969423]Hi all,

Been a long time since I visited LOS. I'll be coming to Pattaya for 6 nights where I'll be staying with my sort of GF. Before I head to Pattaya thought of trying A+ service at one of the parlor in Bangkok.

I've some weird questions:

1 - Since I'll be traveling to Pattaya, is it okay / acceptable / alright / possible to go to an Oily massage center with luggage? I just don't want to book a hotel just for keeping my luggage for couple of hours.

2 - I'll be landing in the morning, what can I expect in terms of availability of ladies between 10-11 AM?

I can go to Pattaya and take a good service before my girl arrives to Hotel, but not many options in Pattaya in terms of A+ service.

Regards,

Tom[/QUOTE]Since you are landing in the morning, why don't you store your luggage at the airport before rushing to a parlor?

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1969423]Hi all,

Been a long time since I visited LOS. I'll be coming to Pattaya for 6 nights where I'll be staying with my sort of GF. Before I head to Pattaya thought of trying A+ service at one of the parlor in Bangkok.

I've some weird questions:

1 - Since I'll be traveling to Pattaya, is it okay / acceptable / alright / possible to go to an Oily massage center with luggage? I just don't want to book a hotel just for keeping my luggage for couple of hours.

2 - I'll be landing in the morning, what can I expect in terms of availability of ladies between 10-11 AM?

I can go to Pattaya and take a good service before my girl arrives to Hotel, but not many options in Pattaya in terms of A+ service.

Regards,

Tom[/QUOTE]Tom, I would not store luggage at the airport unless I wanted to go back for it. Of course you could arrange transport from there to Pattaya and then that would work fine. At the massage shop they might be a little amused if you show up with luggage but I'm sure that they have seen it all before and will accommodate you graciously. I think. I also prefer the morning time frame that you mention as you will no doubt be the first customer of the day for your provider. Read up in this forum and either book in advance or make a short list of who might meet your needs. Please do report back your experience.

[QUOTE=MadMax81;1969050]Can confirm almost all of the above!

Went there based on this post alone (first time there), asked for Guitar, was quoted 1900 baht for 1 hour and up to the room we went. Even before taking off her clothes she made it clear that she was up for #2 as well. Got a great blowjob in the shower, and came in her mouth. Blowjobs usually don't do it for me, so must've been something special! Anyway, off to the bed for the massage, which turned out to be more of the body-to-body type you get in the soapies than a regular oil massage. Man, this girl sure enjoys giving rim jobs! Never got that from a Thai girl before. She was well on her way of giving me a prostate massage as well, so I bet you can get it if you want it.

Sadly enough the big guy didn't fully recover from the shower blowjob, even with an extended 30 minutes (200 baht extra), so didn't get to do #2. All in all she is definitely a nympho, wildest massage I've ever got from a Thai girl.

But now to the "almost" part of the quoted post: in my personal opinion she is fat. Not sure what to call the baby damage, but it's definitely there, perhaps slightly more than slight. If I had asked for a line up I wouldn't even have considered her, on my scale she's a 5 tops looks wise, but of course everybody's scale differs. I usually like to shop around for the really petite ladies, and that she ain't. Had she been I'd probably been able to get it up for #2 and one or two more shots.

Anyway, can definitely recommend her if you're not too fixated on super skinny ladies and enjoy FMAACIMM ("Fuck my ass and cum in my mouth", as one lady on Soi 6 in Pattaya once held up a sign saying with a big smile.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report and there in lies a very good lesson.

Some of us guys are very looks oriented and I am biased toward girls well under 50 Kgs unless very tall.

A girl can have amazingly full on service yet some of us are still going to pass. I can't even bring myself to try an Escort that I never saw before in case the picture is not realistic.

I can admit to occasionally going looking for a girl based on a web pic, and in one or two cases it has turned out to be a fucking good choice more by good luck than by anything else. There was one web pic that interested me and I took nearly a year to pull the trigger I think. I kick myself now that I took so long, however the girl was definitely slim and curvy and not fat at all.

Very dangerous to make a booking without first seeing a girl, but sometimes works out. Its a gamble.

Would be nice if reports here estimated a girl's height and weight or at least indicated if she could be rated as slim or not. Detail is needed for readers to decide if a girl potentially fits our spec or not.

The girl in question has never been a possibility for me. I have seen pics that indicated not slim enough. I like almost anorexic girls at times up to slim and maybe medium build if extremely pretty.

Plenty of times a highly rated girl is not of interest for me as her looks and body are just not sufficient to hook me.

I can take a stunning girl with average service though. That is just crazy me. Of course the MPs don't really have stunners, or very scarce, but the odd very good looker with nice body and nice GFE service will do me fine.

Nearly 3 years ago there was a stunner called Angie working briefly at Cherry. Face scored 8.5+ and body was a 10. Even her service was a bit shy and hesitant I managed to enjoy her magnificent looks and would have repeated many times if she stayed there. Would never come close to the service level of Guitar I am sure even if she gained experience. Sometimes a girl with no skills can still be fun or enjoyable for me.

I do recall a Mango girl with good service that I never repeated as her looks and body just did nothing to turn me on. When in Thailand we can find well above average looks, if that is what matters. I did repeat Cherry at Mango plenty as she had skills plus a face 7 and body 9 points. A great combination. Also Cat with a face 8.5 and body maybe 7.

Ninja's arsehole is usually lovely, tight and pink but today was enlarged, bruised and inflamed. Some fuckwit with a big dick had gone in her arse without lube and taken ages to finish. I feel sorry for her as it looks in a bad state. It got me thinking, what kind of dickhead would do that to a nice girl like Ninja? She offers guys something special to make their fantasies comes true and this prick just abuses her. Is it the same kind of guy who comes on here having contributed nothing and expects other posters to tell him exactly which girl to get from exactly which place because he doesn't have time to RTFF? Is it some loser who spends 50 weeks of the year wanking himself off to anal porn and then comes to Thailand and thinks that 'tearing this cum-craving wh0re a new asshole' is something you can do in real life? If you don't know how to perform anal sex on a girl without injuring her you need to stop looking at heavily edited porn and read some sexual advice websites.

Apart from the effect it has on the girl, it's also bad news for other mongers as now Ninja is not A+ while she recovers and she may go the same way as Bonus and refuse to do A+ again. This is why we can't have nice things!

[QUOTE==*****man;1969747]Ninja's arsehole is usually lovely, tight and pink but today was enlarged, bruised and inflamed. Some fuckwit with a big dick had gone in her arse without lube and taken ages to finish. I feel sorry for her as it looks in a bad state. <snip>

Apart from the effect it has on the girl, it's also bad news for other mongers as now Ninja is not A+ while she recovers and she may go the same way as Bonus and refuse to do A+ again. This is why we can't have nice things![/QUOTE]*****man , this is why I no longer mention a girl's name or post pictures of my girls in the open forum. There are too many sick bastards out there who think fucking a girl so hard she can't walk or shit right for a week is good fun, or who think short changing a girl afterwards is acceptable behavior, or who have horrible hygiene problems.

I have spoken on the subject before of my idea to set up a private member network consisting of only stand up men who appreciate our sexy little friends and know how not to abuse or mistreat a girl. Then within a group of like minded punters, we could all freely and confidently exchange photos and information knowing that said information would be kept safe and held in strict confidence.

From time to time a BM, whom I have never heard of before, will PM me and ask for personal information regarding one of my girls. I always decline such a request because I will only share personal information with like minded punters that I know pretty well from meeting them in the real world or from reading their many worthwhile contributions here on the forum. This is a far cry from how I used to operate when I first came on the forum many, many years ago. I was burned once by some pencil dick who showed a girl some photos I had posted of her on the forum. I won't ever let that happen again. It felt like I had betrayed the girl.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1969768]*****man , this is why I no longer mention a girl's name or post pictures of my girls in the open forum. There are too many sick bastards out there who think fucking a girl so hard she can't walk or shit right for a week is good fun, or who think short changing a girl afterwards is acceptable behavior, or who have horrible hygiene problems.

I have spoken on the subject before of my idea to set up a private member network consisting of only stand up men who appreciate our sexy little friends and know how not to abuse or mistreat a girl. Then within a group of like minded punters, we could all freely and confidently exchange photos and information knowing that said information would be kept safe and held in strict confidence.

From time to time a BM, whom I have never heard of before, will PM me and ask for personal information regarding one of my girls. I always decline such a request because I will only share personal information with like minded punters that I know pretty well from meeting them in the real world or from reading their many worthwhile contributions here on the forum. This is a far cry from how I used to operate when I first came on the forum many, many years ago. I was burned once by some pencil dick who showed a girl some photos I had posted of her on the forum. I won't ever let that happen again. It felt like I had betrayed the girl.[/QUOTE]Well said sir.

If you want to try A+ service, the bet for you will be Mango Massage on Soi 24 Sukhumvit. It opens at 10 am. You can also keep your luggage there. Just keep it locked in case you have a doubt.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1969423] Before I head to Pattaya thought of trying A+ service at one of the parlor in Bangkok. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=*****man;1969747]Ninja's arsehole is usually lovely, tight and pink but today was enlarged, bruised and inflamed. Some fuckwit with a big dick had gone in her arse without lube and taken ages to finish. I feel sorry for her as it looks in a bad state. It got me thinking, what kind of dickhead would do that to a nice girl like Ninja? She offers guys something special to make their fantasies comes true and this prick just abuses her. Is it the same kind of guy who comes on here having contributed nothing and expects other posters to tell him exactly which girl to get from exactly which place because he doesn't have time to RTFF? Is it some loser who spends 50 weeks of the year wanking himself off to anal porn and then comes to Thailand and thinks that 'tearing this cum-craving wh0re a new asshole' is something you can do in real life? If you don't know how to perform anal sex on a girl without injuring her you need to stop looking at heavily edited porn and read some sexual advice websites.

Apart from the effect it has on the girl, it's also bad news for other mongers as now Ninja is not A+ while she recovers and she may go the same way as Bonus and refuse to do A+ again. This is why we can't have nice things![/QUOTE]That's assault, plain and simple. The mamasans need to instruct the gals to stop guys who do this, end the session, and / or call for help. Dudes like that should at the very least be banned from the shop. And if they don't stop when asked, the police need to be called.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1969768]*****man , this is why I no longer mention a girl's name or post pictures of my girls in the open forum. There are too many sick bastards out there who think fucking a girl so hard she can't walk or shit right for a week is good fun, or who think short changing a girl afterwards is acceptable behavior, or who have horrible hygiene problems.

I have spoken on the subject before of my idea to set up a private member network consisting of only stand up men who appreciate our sexy little friends and know how not to abuse or mistreat a girl. Then within a group of like minded punters, we could all freely and confidently exchange photos and information knowing that said information would be kept safe and held in strict confidence.

From time to time a BM, whom I have never heard of before, will PM me and ask for personal information regarding one of my girls. I always decline such a request because I will only share personal information with like minded punters that I know pretty well from meeting them in the real world or from reading their many worthwhile contributions here on the forum. This is a far cry from how I used to operate when I first came on the forum many, many years ago. I was burned once by some pencil dick who showed a girl some photos I had posted of her on the forum. I won't ever let that happen again. It felt like I had betrayed the girl.[/QUOTE]A very good idea.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1969911]That's assault, plain and simple. The mamasans need to instruct the gals to stop guys who do this, end the session, and / or call for help. Dudes like that should at the very least be banned from the shop. And if they don't stop when asked, the police need to be called.[/QUOTE]Correct. However, why did it even get to that point? Could Ninja not have demanded he lube up first and not allow him entry if he wouldn't, and stop him when it got painful? Surely the mamasans can't be telling them that putting up with that kind of treatment is providing good service? It is abuse, not good service.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1969924]Correct. However, why did it even get to that point? Could Ninja not have demanded he lube up first and not allow him entry if he wouldn't, and stop him when it got painful? Surely the mamasans can't be telling them that putting up with that kind of treatment is providing good service? It is abuse, not good service.[/QUOTE]It's not the mamasans per se. She could not provide anal if she chose but she'd immediately lose a lot of money every month. She provides it because that allows her to get more customers ergo more money.
My guess is that the damage is most likely not from a single guy. Ninja probably gets assfucked 6-7 times on Saturday. No amount of lube can save a butthole from the effects of that.
I can recall one of the times when I went to visit her a few weeks back her backdoor looked pretty beat up. Then I went to visit a few days later and it was fine again. Swollen buttholes or vaginas are normal after repeated poundings. Hopefully it's not ripped though, that could be a serious problem.

[QUOTE=*****man;1969747]Ninja's arsehole is usually lovely, tight and pink but today was enlarged, bruised and inflamed. Some fuckwit with a big dick had gone in her arse without lube and taken ages to finish. I feel sorry for her as it looks in a bad state. [/QUOTE]Wishing her a speedy and complete recovery. The shops need to provide more support / training to the girls on how to handle these sorts of cases. Some girls can stand up for themselves and end a bad session, while others unfortunately cannot. Given the volume, it's inevitable that awful customers like that one will show up at some point, the issue is how to effectively deal with them and prevent the girl from getting hurt.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;1969488]Since you are landing in the morning, why don't you store your luggage at the airport before rushing to a parlor?[/QUOTE]I've considered this option but it's a pain going back to Airport just to pick the luggage up. But yeah this would be my last option. BTW do you happen to know if they keep locked bags with laptops?

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1969586]Tom, I would not store luggage at the airport unless I wanted to go back for it. Of course you could arrange transport from there to Pattaya and then that would work fine. At the massage shop they might be a little amused if you show up with luggage but I'm sure that they have seen it all before and will accommodate you graciously. I think. I also prefer the morning time frame that you mention as you will no doubt be the first customer of the day for your provider. Read up in this forum and either book in advance or make a short list of who might meet your needs. Please do report back your experience.[/QUOTE]You know it's easy to go Ekamai from Sukhumvit to catch a bus for Pattaya. Like I said above going back is my last resort.

[QUOTE=Manfield04;1969836]If you want to try A+ service, the bet for you will be Mango Massage on Soi 24 Sukhumvit. It opens at 10 am. You can also keep your luggage there. Just keep it locked in case you have a doubt.[/QUOTE]I had a conversation with Cherry people, they are completely fine me carrying my luggage. They also requested to book a lady in advance since most of the ladies come later in the day. Mango is also under my consideration so is SW.

My flight lands around 4:30 AM and I'm expecting to pass immigration by 5 AM, God I've to wait for 5 Hrs. That's another reason I'm considering to go Pattaya and book a lady from DD.

Suggestions are welcome!

[QUOTE=*****man;1969747]Ninja's arsehole is usually lovely, tight and pink but today was enlarged, bruised and inflamed. Some fuckwit with a big dick had gone in her arse without lube and taken ages to finish. I feel sorry for her as it looks in a bad state. It got me thinking, what kind of dickhead would do that to a nice girl like Ninja? She offers guys something special to make their fantasies comes true and this prick just abuses her. Is it the same kind of guy who comes on here having contributed nothing and expects other posters to tell him exactly which girl to get from exactly which place because he doesn't have time to RTFF? Is it some loser who spends 50 weeks of the year wanking himself off to anal porn and then comes to Thailand and thinks that 'tearing this cum-craving wh0re a new asshole' is something you can do in real life? If you don't know how to perform anal sex on a girl without injuring her you need to stop looking at heavily edited porn and read some sexual advice websites.

Apart from the effect it has on the girl, it's also bad news for other mongers as now Ninja is not A+ while she recovers and she may go the same way as Bonus and refuse to do A+ again. This is why we can't have nice things![/QUOTE]I feel sorry for the girl and her good customers that she has been abused.

Fuckwit is a great word. One of my favourites.

I feel guys are too heavily influenced by nasty porn in that they seem to want girls to suffer or be degraded rather than make a fun time.

I normally fuck long time but I never impose that on a girl's asshole and I have high quality non sticky lube. I also never try to make the girl do stuff she is not happy about. I wait for girls to offer the ass typically, and rarely do they offer. LOL.

I have to be content with good fitting pussy mostly and actually prefer it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1969990]I feel sorry for the girl and her good customers that she has been abused.

Fuckwit is a great word. One of my favourites.

I feel guys are too heavily influenced by nasty porn in that they seem to want girls to suffer or be degraded rather than make a fun time.

I normally fuck long time but I never impose that on a girl's asshole and I have high quality non sticky lube. I also never try to make the girl do stuff she is not happy about. I wait for girls to offer the ass typically, and rarely do they offer. LOL.

I have to be content with good fitting pussy mostly and actually prefer it.[/QUOTE]

These "girls" (wow, why call them such an innocent word??) are prositutes, they sleep with a ton of men, just anyone who walks in with cash in hand. Of course they're having sex with fuckwits, thugs, serial killers, etc and they don't mind that much. That's why the charge the price they charge. It's best to not get involved with their feelings, or why they do what they do, etc. They're just working employees. I think you guys are getting a little too wrapped up into their woven fantasies of damsel in distress. Don't care about them or their health, care about YOUR health. And don't get caught up in their trials and tribulations. They're just working employees, they're lucrative job comes with health risks, and a lot of lying/deceit.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1970033]These "girls" (wow, why call them such an innocent word??) are prositutes, they sleep with a ton of men, just anyone who walks in with cash in hand. Of course they're having sex with fuckwits, thugs, serial killers, etc and they don't mind that much. That's why the charge the price they charge. It's best to not get involved with their feelings, or why they do what they do, etc. They're just working employees. I think you guys are getting a little too wrapped up into their woven fantasies of damsel in distress. Don't care about them or their health, care about YOUR health. And don't get caught up in their trials and tribulations. They're just working employees, they're lucrative job comes with health risks, and a lot of lying/deceit.[/QUOTE]While I agree with you to a point, no employee in any profession should be subjected to physical abuse. That's a crime. If she kept her mouth shut and did not complain, then she is complicit. If she told the dude to stop and he didn't, then he assaulted her.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1970033]These "girls" (wow, why call them such an innocent word??) are prositutes, they sleep with a ton of men, just anyone who walks in with cash in hand. Of course they're having sex with fuckwits, thugs, serial killers, etc and they don't mind that much. That's why the charge the price they charge. It's best to not get involved with their feelings, or why they do what they do, etc. They're just working employees. I think you guys are getting a little too wrapped up into their woven fantasies of damsel in distress. Don't care about them or their health, care about YOUR health. And don't get caught up in their trials and tribulations. They're just working employees, they're lucrative job comes with health risks, and a lot of lying/deceit.[/QUOTE]Really? You seem to have missed the better part of the social history of the twentieth century.

You find that as long as an employee is paid, he / she can be exposed to dangerous and unhealthy work conditions. After all, that is why you get the wages you get. The health / profit / fun of the Boss comes first and all worker's unions or people concerned with bad working conditions are "[I]a little too wrapped up into their woven fantasies of damsel in distress[/I]".

Now I understand why Mr. Trump got elected.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1969986]Wishing her a speedy and complete recovery. The shops need to provide more support / training to the girls on how to handle these sorts of cases. Some girls can stand up for themselves and end a bad session, while others unfortunately cannot. Given the volume, it's inevitable that awful customers like that one will show up at some point, the issue is how to effectively deal with them and prevent the girl from getting hurt.[/QUOTE]In many countries the working spaces of the working girls have a discete "alarm" button, they can press if they are in trouble.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1970033]These "girls" (wow, why call them such an innocent word??) are prositutes, they sleep with a ton of men, just anyone who walks in with cash in hand. Of course they're having sex with fuckwits, thugs, serial killers, etc and they don't mind that much. That's why the charge the price they charge. It's best to not get involved with their feelings, or why they do what they do, etc. They're just working employees. I think you guys are getting a little too wrapped up into their woven fantasies of damsel in distress. Don't care about them or their health, care about YOUR health. And don't get caught up in their trials and tribulations. They're just working employees, they're lucrative job comes with health risks, and a lot of lying/deceit.[/QUOTE]I'm as contemptuous of the white knight syndrome as you are but I think you're wrong to say we shouldn't care about their health. Arse fucking a girl without lube is like borrowing a book from a library and scrawling notes all over it so it spoils the enjoyment of the next borrower. If you don't give a shit about the library or the next reader, as long as YOU get what YOU want from the book, then you're just anti-social scum. The same is true of a guy who just wants to get what he wants from a girl and doesn't give a shit about the girl or the next customer. It's just common decency not to vandalise library books or injure WGs.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1970033]These "girls" (wow, why call them such an innocent word??) are prositutes, they sleep with a ton of men, just anyone who walks in with cash in hand. Of course they're having sex with fuckwits, thugs, serial killers, etc and they don't mind that much. That's why the charge the price they charge. It's best to not get involved with their feelings, or why they do what they do, etc. They're just working employees. I think you guys are getting a little too wrapped up into their woven fantasies of damsel in distress. Don't care about them or their health, care about YOUR health. And don't get caught up in their trials and tribulations. They're just working employees, they're lucrative job comes with health risks, and a lot of lying/deceit.[/QUOTE]I don't know what is eating you. Nothing wrong with having some empathy with someone working for you. I think people for be able to enjoy their work at times.

I certainly have no fantasies of damsels in distress. Someone has a wild imagination. They should not be in distress in the first place.

My idea of a good session involves joking around and having fun. Certainly not too serious and no sadism.

Girls don't like to work with assholes I am quite sure.

Recently had a chance to go for a non massage at a Massage shop.

Went to New Massage first but my favorite girl had day off and others did not really look anywhere near as cute. Moved on.

Passed Addict. Plenty of girls outside but not one appealed. 80% plus fake noses giveing the alien look. 102 Massage the standard of looks was worse. Came to Mango and one girl looked OK. Wasn't my usual Fern.

Turned out to be Prae. I had seen her web pic in the past. Now her hair was redder and a bit shorter. Not very tall light coffee colour slightly darker than me. Maybe 156 cm and slim. Good waist to thigh ratio. Very nice high tits and ass no sag whatsoever, no babies. Does not smoke. Great taunt ass.

Very lucky to have picked out a girl with excellent shaped body. Slightly upturned natural nose, no surgeries. Face not skinny but also not broad.

DFK started early. No massage for me so on the bed DFK progressed to 69 quite soon. We both were into that. She got turned on and juiced up. Later diddled herself during sex.

With mish fucking, her puss was tight and barely taking more than 4 to 5 inches, which is not abnormal. I concluded she had not been fucked for a while and I was first customer. Did not seem to be anything stuffed in there. Needed to take it gradually to allow the vagina time to stretch and take more.

Had fun in a few different postions and finally orgasmed at around 60 or 70 minutes mark. She offered some massage but I declined and we just lay and chatted for a bit. I was not looking for a 2nd shot.

I had fingered her ass during sex which she seened to like OK and it seems she does do anal although probably not very long duration anal.

I can't really think of any faults to pick on, and would be happy to take her again. Because of no smoking she tastes good for tongue kissing. Age 26 but body seems younger as no sag at all. Tits are probably a large Acup or small Bcup and great to play with. Beautiful pointy nipples.

We did joke around and have fun. Nothing serious. I don't think her English is that fab, but she speaks Thai, Issan, and Suay a regional dialect.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1970050]Really? You seem to have missed the better part of the social history of the twentieth century.

You find that as long as an employee is paid, he / she can be exposed to dangerous and unhealthy work conditions. After all, that is why you get the wages you get. The health / profit / fun of the Boss comes first and all worker's unions or people concerned with bad working conditions are "[I]a little too wrapped up into their woven fantasies of damsel in distress[/I]".

Now I understand why Mr. Trump got elected.[/QUOTE]I agree with your 2nd paragraph, but find your 3rd paragraph uncalled-for, insulting, and a little irrational. Clinton lost. Get over it! Leave American politics out of the BKK Forum. Thank you.

[QUOTE=MadMax81;1969050]Can confirm almost all of the above!

Went there based on this post alone (first time there), asked for Guitar, was quoted 1900 baht for 1 hour and up to the room we went. Even before taking off her clothes she made it clear that she was up for #2 as well. Got a great blowjob in the shower, and came in her mouth. Blowjobs usually don't do it for me, so must've been something special! Anyway, off to the bed for the massage, which turned out to be more of the body-to-body type you get in the soapies than a regular oil massage. Man, this girl sure enjoys giving rim jobs! Never got that from a Thai girl before. She was well on her way of giving me a prostate massage as well, so I bet you can get it if you want it.

Sadly enough the big guy didn't fully recover from the shower blowjob, even with an extended 30 minutes (200 baht extra), so didn't get to do #2. All in all she is definitely a nympho, wildest massage I've ever got from a Thai girl.

But now to the "almost" part of the quoted post: in my personal opinion she is fat. Not sure what to call the baby damage, but it's definitely there, perhaps slightly more than slight. If I had asked for a line up I wouldn't even have considered her, on my scale she's a 5 tops looks wise, but of course everybody's scale differs. I usually like to shop around for the really petite ladies, and that she ain't. Had she been I'd probably been able to get it up for #2 and one or two more shots.

Anyway, can definitely recommend her if you're not too fixated on super skinny ladies and enjoy FMAACIMM ("Fuck my ass and cum in my mouth", as one lady on Soi 6 in Pattaya once held up a sign saying with a big smile.[/QUOTE]Thanks for confirming man. Yes her BJ stood out, her service stood out. Stellar I would say.

About her being fat, I don't find her fat really, I think she has a medium body type, but then YMMV.

I am glad people follow my report.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1970141]
I had fingered her ass during sex which she seened to like OK and it seems she does do anal although probably not very long duration anal.

I can't really think of any faults to pick on, and would be happy to take her again. Because of no smoking she tastes good for tongue kissing. Age 26 but body seems younger as no sag at all. Tits are probably a large Acup or small Bcup and great to play with. Beautiful pointy nipples.

[/QUOTE]Good report but I find it strange you consider Ninja's face too chubby but Prae's acceptable. Maybe the photos on the website don't do her justice but Prae seems to me to have a chubby face or maybe just a wide head. Anyway, with Ninja out of action for A+ I'll check out Prae this week.

The only thing I don't like about Mango is all the girls staring at you as you walk in and then they follow you in and start lining up before you've even requested it. And then if you don't choose a girl they call things out to you as you leave. The mamasan really needs to sort that shit out as it's off-putting. There's no point having non-A+ girls or girls with babies lining up if you're specifically looking for an A+ girl without a baby.

[QUOTE=*****man;1970403]Good report but I find it strange you consider Ninja's face too chubby but Prae's acceptable. Maybe the photos on the website don't do her justice but Prae seems to me to have a chubby face or maybe just a wide head. Anyway, with Ninja out of action for A+ I'll check out Prae this week.

The only thing I don't like about Mango is all the girls staring at you as you walk in and then they follow you in and start lining up before you've even requested it. And then if you don't choose a girl they call things out to you as you leave. The mamasan really needs to sort that shit out as it's off-putting. There's no point having non-A+ girls or girls with babies lining up if you're specifically looking for an A+ girl without a baby.[/QUOTE]Prae's face is not wide. I go for relatively narrow faces and Prae's face was quite acceptable. The last pic of Prae is reasonably realistic but her hair is shorter now and lighter colour. You can see she does not have a wide jaw. The first 3 pics are false, stretched to make her chest look larger I guess.

I would score Prae (Phrae) an 8 for body, and maybe a 7 for the face. Nose is not perfection but at least not fake and a little upturned. Its a lot better than my nose LOL. Her tits are medium size at best but very firm and high, so really excellent for me. Lovely nipples. Overall a really good body quite unexpected for most part in an MP. No flab or sag.

I also suffer from not meeting the real Ninja so perhaps her web site photos also do not do her justice. I noted her look varied across multiple pics. 90% of girls in SW do have faces too wide for me, so I understand what you mean about liking smaller face.

Any photos can be distorted or shopped of course.

I nearly crashed into a girl just behind me as I walked in when turning toward the desk receptionist. So I agree that would be better if girls were called to do a line up rather than crowding in behind me. However not a really big deal. Normally there are only going to be 1 or at most two girls of any interest to me, so calling a line up is a bit of waste of unless there is a stunner hiding away somewhere. LOL How likely is that.

All stunning Oily MP girls that I can recall right now were spied outside the shop, sometimes a fair distance from the shop, and were followed to their work place sometimes. This applies to Angie of Cherry (seen outside), Gaew at Pink seen arriving on motor bike, Bai Fern at Yoremichi seen walking on Soi 26, and recently a girl at New Massage (not quite to same looks standard but very cute) etc. I would not have even entered the shops without having seen to target girl first.

I would say 80% of my favorite Oily MP girls were first seen in daylight outside the shop, or maybe in a web pic occasionally. This is totally not the case in Soapy MPs where its unlikely to see girls outside.

[QUOTE=*****man;1970403]Good report but I find it strange you consider Ninja's face too chubby but Prae's acceptable. Maybe the photos on the website don't do her justice but Prae seems to me to have a chubby face or maybe just a wide head. Anyway, with Ninja out of action for A+ I'll check out Prae this week.

The only thing I don't like about Mango is all the girls staring at you as you walk in and then they follow you in and start lining up before you've even requested it. And then if you don't choose a girl they call things out to you as you leave. The mamasan really needs to sort that shit out as it's off-putting. There's no point having non-A+ girls or girls with babies lining up if you're specifically looking for an A+ girl without a baby.[/QUOTE]Had Prae twice (at least a year apart) and both times it was a very so-so experience. She is not particularly enthusiastic and while she provides all services and is ok at them, they are performed in a very perfunctory fashion with very little intensity. Would not take her again. Honestly, if you are looking for an A+ gal with a great skill set, no baby, and can bring it, you can't do better than Golf at Tulip. Yes, she is in her 30's, but body is hard as a rock and she delivers the goods each and every time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1970423]Prae's face is not wide. I go for relatively narrow faces and Prae's face was quite acceptable. The last pic of Prae is reasonably realistic but her hair is shorter now and lighter colour. You can see she does not have a wide jaw.[/QUOTE]Jaw is a bit square though.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1970424]Had Prae twice (at least a year apart) and both times it was a very so-so experience. She is not particularly enthusiastic and while she provides all services and is ok at them, they are performed in a very perfunctory fashion with very little intensity. Would not take her again. Honestly, if you are looking for an A+ gal with a great skill set, no baby, and can bring it, you can't do better than Golf at Tulip. Yes, she is in her 30's, but body is hard as a rock and she delivers the goods each and every time.[/QUOTE]She probably doesn't like your style then. She was very enthusiastic with me. YMMV. She likes to have fun which is my style. I am not a demanding type. I just do things and girls go with the flow and hopefully get into it.

I know your expectations are high that every girl will be exactly how you like and your type of service. However I don't see this as likely. My type of service is different. I like girls to stay away from my ass.

Anyway good to have different opinions, to indicate she is not going to be great for everyone. My only reservation is her pussy size is a bit small for me.

I did not notice anything perfunctory. We were in most positions for extended duration. I am a soft and slow type customer. I do not like high intensity. Her pussy was too small to take a serious pounding, I would say. I commented it took time for her to stretch inside to fit properly. Normally girls with baby are more likely to have bigger inside pussy dimensions, but Prae seemed exceptional small in the pussy at first. Unfucked at least that day and maybe more.

Your square jaw comment, as usual makes little sense to me. Perhaps it means pointy jaw. Certainly not a horizontally broad jaw like often found in the north of Thailand, e.g. Chiang Mai "beauties". However Issan girls often have a slightly more pointy jaw than some. I usually don't notice unless the pointiness goes too far. Strangely I do notice very quickly hooked or bulbous noses, or fake noses.

[QUOTE=*****man;1970403]There's no point having non-A+ girls or girls with babies lining up if you're specifically looking for an A+ girl without a baby.[/QUOTE]I don't like severe baby damage girls nor serious saggyness, but 50% of my favorite girls have a baby already. I don't rule tham out purely for being a mother. It depends on the result.

My GF has 14 YO child but has very minor stretch marks not at all noticable in dim lighting, her tits were not saggy at all and pussy is still more than tight enough for me. She still has a really great body.

I don't really subscribe to ruling out all girls with a baby.

Fern at Mango has a baby but I don't rule her out. Probably does no anal either.

An 18 YO non mother with amazing tits does nake a nice change at times, but I meet those amazing tits rarely.

I love to be at Crazy House where I can see girls totally nude from a low vantage point in good lighting. All the damage is on show, I can see the deflated tits, or stretch marks, if any. Generally the worst damage is nose jobs and bad tit jobs but can be baby damage at times. The girl with football sized boobs is back LOL. They are very ugly.
Girls with almost perfect bodies can be got, depending on your spec. Not many big natural tits though

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1970424]Had Prae twice (at least a year apart) and both times it was a very so-so experience. She is not particularly enthusiastic and while she provides all services and is ok at them, they are performed in a very perfunctory fashion with very little intensity. Would not take her again. Honestly, if you are looking for an A+ gal with a great skill set, no baby, and can bring it, you can't do better than Golf at Tulip. Yes, she is in her 30's, but body is hard as a rock and she delivers the goods each and every time.[/QUOTE]She sounds similar to Emmy at Snow White who I did like but not really what I go for. I prefer the younger, compliant girls rather than an older girl who's going to stick her tongue down my throat and demand I come three times as soon as I enter the room.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1970427]
Your square jaw comment, as usual makes little sense to me. Perhaps it means pointy jaw. Certainly not a horizontally broad jaw like often found in the north of Thailand, e.g. Chiang Mai "beauties". However Issan girls often have a slightly more pointy jaw than some. I usually don't notice unless the pointiness goes too far. Strangely I do notice very quickly hooked or bulbous noses, or fake noses.[/QUOTE]Strange how different people see different things. I also see a bit of a square jaw (not chin) but overall I would just say her face is a bit too round for my usual tastes. I prefer a longer face but I'll still give Prae a go. If you look at the last photo from the Halloween set on the Mango site it shows her without the photoshopping. Her face looks fairly average but if she has a nice, baby-free body then I'll give her a go. Anna in the same photo has a longer, thinner face that I find more attractive but she's too old for my tastes.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1970427]Your square jaw comment, as usual makes little sense to me. Perhaps it means pointy jaw. Certainly not a horizontally broad jaw like often found in the north of Thailand, e.g. Chiang Mai "beauties". However Issan girls often have a slightly more pointy jaw than some. I usually don't notice unless the pointiness goes too far. Strangely I do notice very quickly hooked or bulbous noses, or fake noses.[/QUOTE]If you look at the back of her jaw it does not slope up, rather it is quite square and makes a very hard right angle up to the joint. Many Isaan gals have a square jaw. Kind of a turn off for me.

[QUOTE=*****man;1970451]Strange how different people see different things. I also see a bit of a square jaw (not chin) but overall I would just say her face is a bit too round for my usual tastes. I prefer a longer face but I'll still give Prae a go. If you look at the last photo from the Halloween set on the Mango site it shows her without the photoshopping. Her face looks fairly average but if she has a nice, baby-free body then I'll give her a go. Anna in the same photo has a longer, thinner face that I find more attractive but she's too old for my tastes.[/QUOTE]Yes tastes vary. I find Anna by far the least attractive in that photo. The nose job is not working for me. Maybe being made up as a witch is working too well. LOL.

I prefer Fern when she doesn't have that white makeup and Prae would be second then Sindy.

Prae face does look broader in that photo but seemed less in reality when I met her.

Out of curiosity, which website pic of Ninja is the most realistic? Shot 1 of 6 looks the best to me with slimmer face perhaps nose a little broad. Shot no. 6 looks 2nd best. Shots no. 2 to 5 appears to show puffy cheeks, does not appeal, and quite different to shot 1. Which look is most representative? I have to suspect the photoes were taken not all at the same time. Clearly two occasions possibly years apart. Like gained weight in the face for some photos? Shots 2 to 5 does not make her look slim to my eye. Am I deceived?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1970490]If you look at the back of her jaw it does not slope up, rather it is quite square and makes a very hard right angle up to the joint. Many Isaan gals have a square jaw. Kind of a turn off for me.[/QUOTE]Back of the jaw? Do you mean the angle beneath the ear? Your description is very unclear to me.

I don't see any so called hard right angles. Do I lack the imagination to picture the right spot?

This might seem like an odd question to some, but I hope I'll get some response:

Can you recommend a happy ending massage in Bangkok? I know there are plenty, and I feel like I've tried almost all of them. I'm still missing one where the girl really tries hard to upsell, touching inner thighs and balls and stuff during massage, and maybe even offers more than a HJ. I'm not looking for an oily. I'm looking for a mom'and'pop massage place, ideally with some big-breasted MILFs that are eager to do more than a massage (wouldn't mind a girl though either).

Any recommendations? The few places I found so far do not exist anymore or have changed their owners / staff.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1970724]Yes tastes vary. I find Anna by far the least attractive in that photo. The nose job is not working for me. Maybe being made up as a witch is working too well. LOL.

I prefer Fern when she doesn't have that white makeup and Prae would be second then Sindy.

Prae face does look broader in that photo but seemed less in reality when I met her.

Out of curiosity, which website pic of Ninja is the most realistic? Shot 1 of 6 looks the best to me with slimmer face perhaps nose a little broad. Shot no. 6 looks 2nd best. Shots no. 2 to 5 appears to show puffy cheeks, does not appeal, and quite different to shot 1. Which look is most representative? I have to suspect the photoes were taken not all at the same time. Clearly two occasions possibly years apart. Like gained weight in the face for some photos? Shots 2 to 5 does not make her look slim to my eye. Am I deceived?[/QUOTE]I'm not saying Anna is the most attractive, just that the face shape is more to my taste. All of the photos of Ninja are representative and were taken within the past few months. The differences are just down to lighting. If you don't like her in those pics you won't like her in real life. I find Ninja's face shape much more attractive than Prae's and it seems most punters agree as she's clearly a lot more popular. Prae just looks like a totally average Isaan girl to me.

[QUOTE=*****man;1970773]I'm not saying Anna is the most attractive, just that the face shape is more to my taste. All of the photos of Ninja are representative and were taken within the past few months. The differences are just down to lighting. If you don't like her in those pics you won't like her in real life. I find Ninja's face shape much more attractive than Prae's and it seems most punters agree as she's clearly a lot more popular. Prae just looks like a totally average Isaan girl to me.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with you. Prae looks like your average Isaan lass. Ninja has that Nakhon Panom look that blends some Lao and Viet in to provide a much softer look. I agree on Anna's face as well. But yes, she is a bit long in the tooth now.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1970727]Back of the jaw? Do you mean the angle beneath the ear? Your description is very unclear to me.

I don't see any so called hard right angles. Do I lack the imagination to picture the right spot?[/QUOTE]Correct, the angle beneath the ear. Not a fan of that square jawed look. Also the area around the eyes is quite square. I really like the classic Asian almond shaped face with no hard angles and of course not too round either.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1970724]Yes tastes vary. I find Anna by far the least attractive in that photo. The nose job is not working for me. Maybe being made up as a witch is working too well. LOL.

I prefer Fern when she doesn't have that white makeup and Prae would be second then Sindy.

Prae face does look broader in that photo but seemed less in reality when I met her.

Out of curiosity, which website pic of Ninja is the most realistic? Shot 1 of 6 looks the best to me with slimmer face perhaps nose a little broad. Shot no. 6 looks 2nd best. Shots no. 2 to 5 appears to show puffy cheeks, does not appeal, and quite different to shot 1. Which look is most representative? I have to suspect the photoes were taken not all at the same time. Clearly two occasions possibly years apart. Like gained weight in the face for some photos? Shots 2 to 5 does not make her look slim to my eye. Am I deceived?[/QUOTE]In shot 1 of 6, Ninja has Snow White Menu in front of her on which prices for oil massage match the current prices (1 h 400 B, 1.5 h 500 B, 2 h 600 B). It can't be taken too far back in time, right?

[QUOTE=*****man;1970773]I'm not saying Anna is the most attractive, just that the face shape is more to my taste. All of the photos of Ninja are representative and were taken within the past few months. The differences are just down to lighting. If you don't like her in those pics you won't like her in real life. I find Ninja's face shape much more attractive than Prae's and it seems most punters agree as she's clearly a lot more popular. Prae just looks like a totally average Isaan girl to me.[/QUOTE]Being more popular is not the issue at all. Just 4 out of 6 Ninja photos don't appeal and look like chubby or puffy cheeks. I would like to see the real girl sometime in case I am getting the wrong impression.

I don't claim Prae is stunning but merely acceptable look to me when most of the girls looks were a much lower standard. I do find Fern prettier but she was absent. I rate Prae's body higher than the face as you already read.

I was easily able to pass on all the girls sitting outside addict and 102 simply they were not acceptable looking to me. So many ugly nose jobs. Some ugly tit jobs.

If these girls were in a bar, none of them are likely to be contenders at all. In a bar I take significant time to choose and try to evaluate all aspects of face, body naked, and attitude. Wise to do when the cost of a mistake is higher.

In comparison to other places Crazy House had only about 4 or 5 tit jobs in the whole line up (very low) last night, and only about 10 nose jobs in maybe 35 to 40 girls (a bit too high for my liking). Out front of Addict I would say 80 to 90% of girls had a nose job based on a very quick glance and the vast majority look bad to me.

There is a tendancy at various establishments for girls to get their surgeries all from the same place even though some of the jobs are horrible. I don't get it.

Who wants a cheap ugly tit or nose job?

All my regular girls of the last year, none have silicones and only one has a nose job that is a really high quality one that I admit looks good, using bone graft. I like the natural looks AFAP. I was thankful that Prae had natural looks and nothing to grate on my eyesight. Not stunning but one of few MP girls I have been willing to take. I probably only took 7 different MP girls for the year and 2 are almost forgotten now with no repeat considered.

I have not managed to select a girl at Snow White for some time. May have showed up at unlucky time, but most girls certainly had a broad face, many with nose or tit jobs putting me off too and many just not slim. I will keep trying to get more lucky and find a half stunner. LOL

I am regularly RTFF, but wondering what are the other gems hidden in Sky Massage besides Guitar? Like Tangmo, Anna, Fah? Looks so promising. Same for Bongkot I've been with Cash and Nooknik, besides that oil and Neena looks doable (YMMv). My favorite Mony / Momoy / May (ex- tulip, cherry) from Bongkot has left and I'm not lucky enough to find her again. What a girl she is, as a person and also as a performer too!

Does any of my fellow mongers had a chance to pop these hidden gems?

[QUOTE=JasonBen84;1971032]I am regularly RTFF, but wondering what are the other gems hidden in Sky Massage besides Guitar? Like Tangmo, Anna, Fah? Looks so promising. Same for Bongkot I've been with Cash and Nooknik, besides that oil and Neena looks doable (YMMv). My favorite Mony / Momoy / May (ex- tulip, cherry) from Bongkot has left and I'm not lucky enough to find her again. What a girl she is, as a person and also as a performer too!

Does any of my fellow mongers had a chance to pop these hidden gems?[/QUOTE]Had a very good session with Rose at Bongkot a year ago. Rose used to live on the top floor of the shop. When I popped in around 11 am, I was her first customer of the day, there was no other choice too. But I was lucky to have her. Unfortunately she is no longer working there anymore and I have no idea where she went.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1970427]Normally girls with baby are more likely to have bigger inside pussy dimensions, but Prae seemed exceptional small in the pussy at first.[/QUOTE]I'm a bit confused. Does this mean Prae does have a baby? From your earlier report I thought she didn't.

So, I went to my first soapy yesterday (Emmanulle), and it was a pretty lousy experience. I had been pretty excited to go after reading about soapies here and elsewhere, so I'm wondering if I just got ripped off / taken advantage of, got a rare dud, or was just expecting something unreasonable.

I got there around 8 and picked #42, although plenty of others would have been OK too. She was by far the hottest girl I've been with since arriving in BKK a few days ago both in face and body, but the session itself left much to be desired.

There was no kissing, covered BJ only, no body massage, no sliding with soapy suds (why even call it a soapy at that point? And 1 single, rather unenthusiastic coupling. The whole thing struck me as mechanical and highly unerotic, despite the hotness of the girl. In fact, we were done within about 40 minutes, and she even seemed hesitant to let me touch her after that, insisting that any further contact would cost me extra. Even if I were considering it to begin with, I sure as hell was not going to pay (even more) with that attitude.

So, which one is it? Did I unfortunately stumble upon a dud, one who sensed my inexperience and decided to milk it for all it was worth, or is this sort of thing standard for soapies and I'm just expecting too much?

[QUOTE=*****man;1971142]I'm a bit confused. Does this mean Prae does have a baby? From your earlier report I thought she didn't.[/QUOTE]I had a session with Prae maybe a year ago. She had one of the best, if not the best, bodies from among the numerous PSE oily girls I have been with. I would be very surprised if as of when I saw her she had had a baby.

The problem with her though is unlike the vast majority of PSE girls I have been with at oilies, I felt from the moment the session began she put up a wall between me and her, sort of along the lines of "this is a professional transaction so let's get on with it. " If I recall she did moan but the moans were fake and distracting. I had some trouble finishing with her, but took one for the team and finally did so.

So my take: Great body, decent face, fake or perhaps standoffish attitude that got in the way of a fulfilling session. Having said this I have considered trying her again, for her great body, to see whether the other things fall in place. But so far I haven't done so.

[QUOTE=*****man;1971142]I'm a bit confused. Does this mean Prae does have a baby? From your earlier report I thought she didn't.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the confusing phrase. She has not had a baby. Was just supposed to be a comparison to girls who have bigger pussies.

[QUOTE=Manderly;1971147]So, I went to my first soapy yesterday (Emmanulle), and it was a pretty lousy experience. I had been pretty excited to go after reading about soapies here and elsewhere, so I'm wondering if I just got ripped off / taken advantage of, got a rare dud, or was just expecting something unreasonable.

I got there around 8 and picked #42, although plenty of others would have been OK too. She was by far the hottest girl I've been with since arriving in BKK a few days ago both in face and body, but the session itself left much to be desired.

There was no kissing, covered BJ only, no body massage, no sliding with soapy suds (why even call it a soapy at that point? And 1 single, rather unenthusiastic coupling. The whole thing struck me as mechanical and highly unerotic, despite the hotness of the girl. In fact, we were done within about 40 minutes, and she even seemed hesitant to let me touch her after that, insisting that any further contact would cost me extra. Even if I were considering it to begin with, I sure as hell was not going to pay (even more) with that attitude.

So, which one is it? Did I unfortunately stumble upon a dud, one who sensed my inexperience and decided to milk it for all it was worth, or is this sort of thing standard for soapies and I'm just expecting too much?[/QUOTE]It's pretty easy to see that she is not a fan of foreigners or white guys. Probably prefers Asian guys for obvious reasons. She also sounds like a premadonna. Did she have white skin? Or was she the darker type from Isaan. Any plastic surgery?

[QUOTE=Manderly;1971147]So, I went to my first soapy yesterday (Emmanulle), and it was a pretty lousy experience. So, which one is it? Did I unfortunately stumble upon a dud, one who sensed my inexperience and decided to milk it for all it was worth, or is this sort of thing standard for soapies and I'm just expecting too much?[/QUOTE]Forgetabout Emmanuelle. Get back on the horse that threw you (the soapy massage venue) and check out the Lord. You will receive much better service there. YMMV always, but on what you can expect, read my 2016 Lord Reports.

Nonny's got herself a Korean boyfriend / sponsor who she met in Snow White and has gone back to Nakhon Phanom. What's up with these young Korean guys? She was great for a one hour 3 hole session but I don't see PSE massage shops as the right place to be looking for long-term relationships. Hopefully it won't last and she'll be back.

[QUOTE=JasonBen84;1971032]I am regularly RTFF, but wondering what are the other gems hidden in Sky Massage besides Guitar? Like Tangmo, Anna, Fah? Looks so promising. Same for Bongkot I've been with Cash and Nooknik, besides that oil and Neena looks doable (YMMv). My favorite Mony / Momoy / May (ex- tulip, cherry) from Bongkot has left and I'm not lucky enough to find her again. What a girl she is, as a person and also as a performer too!

Does any of my fellow mongers had a chance to pop these hidden gems?[/QUOTE]Fa who came from SW has apparently also left Bongkot. I had one in-call a year ago and one out-call in last March with Fa. Both sessions went extremely well. Now I guess that Fa has retired. Anyone know?

Hi,

I am wondering if anyone has information or experience with Venus at 101. I visited the shop twice about three months apart and tried to book Venus. Both of the times I was told that she was "taking a long holiday". BTW their on-line booking portal never works well.

She was listed on escortinbkk for a while under the name of iPhone(yes, iPhone!) but has been de-listed a few months ago. She is still on Absolute Angels website but with status of "On Vacation".

I appreciate it very much if you could provide any lead about her.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1971328]It's pretty easy to see that she is not a fan of foreigners or white guys. Probably prefers Asian guys for obvious reasons. She also sounds like a premadonna. Did she have white skin? Or was she the darker type from Isaan. Any plastic surgery?[/QUOTE]Thing is I am (East) Asian! Just never lived there in my life.

Her skin was rather light and she had natural everything as far as I could tell (partly why I rated her so highly on looks).

The experience was just not what I expected, and considering it was almost twice the price of the oilies (tried Snow White and Mango so far), I was hoping for something special.

[QUOTE=Manderly;1971147]So, I went to my first soapy yesterday (Emmanulle), and it was a pretty lousy experience. I had been pretty excited to go after reading about soapies here and elsewhere, so I'm wondering if I just got ripped off / taken advantage of, got a rare dud, or was just expecting something unreasonable.

I got there around 8 and picked #42, although plenty of others would have been OK too. She was by far the hottest girl I've been with since arriving in BKK a few days ago both in face and body, but the session itself left much to be desired.

There was no kissing, covered BJ only, no body massage, no sliding with soapy suds (why even call it a soapy at that point? And 1 single, rather unenthusiastic coupling. The whole thing struck me as mechanical and highly unerotic, despite the hotness of the girl. In fact, we were done within about 40 minutes, and she even seemed hesitant to let me touch her after that, insisting that any further contact would cost me extra. Even if I were considering it to begin with, I sure as hell was not going to pay (even more) with that attitude.

So, which one is it? Did I unfortunately stumble upon a dud, one who sensed my inexperience and decided to milk it for all it was worth, or is this sort of thing standard for soapies and I'm just expecting too much?[/QUOTE]I have only tried a handful of Bangkok soapies and maybe a dozen oilies over the past 3-4 years and what you described would mostly match my experience. At this point I only try getting back on the horse that threw me the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. time on extremely rare occasion; when a friend with whom I otherwise share very similar tastes and likes strongly recommends another one, for example.

But even under those circumstances I have yet to spend time with a soapy or oily girl in her shop that I would want to spend so much as 100 baht to repeat. Clearly, these places are very popular so there must be something about me that is just not cut out for the system of choosing a girl with a numbered badge behind glass or pointing to a girl in a line up. Could be the same for you. And the only way to find out is to give it another try.

Thank you Sir! If I am right, Nonny's you specified used to go by different names as Mony / Momoy / May. I may be wrong, not sure. Sad to lose her though! Hope she has good new life ahead.

So it looks like not much info on Tongmo in Sky and others in Bongkot it seems!

Loss of SW apple, Mony, Ice, Bell, Ying put me in a deprived zone to find a classy yet crazy and playful girls in the oilies, mainly in PSE zone. Any such crazy, funny and playful PSE girls out there?

[QUOTE=*****man;1971336]Nonny's got herself a Korean boyfriend / sponsor who she met in Snow White and has gone back to Nakhon Phanom. What's up with these young Korean guys? She was great for a one hour 3 hole session but I don't see PSE massage shops as the right place to be looking for long-term relationships. Hopefully it won't last and she'll be back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manderly;1971147]So, I went to my first soapy yesterday (Emmanulle), and it was a pretty lousy experience.

So, which one is it? Did I unfortunately stumble upon a dud, one who sensed my inexperience and decided to milk it for all it was worth, or is this sort of thing standard for soapies and I'm just expecting too much?[/QUOTE]What you had is more-or-less standard. I never found much fun in Bangkok soapies. An average session is as underwhelming as yours, and even the best sessions were not particularly memorable. There's something stifling about the environment / format, and the value is simply not there.

Not sure why people use those at all, maybe it's the thrill of choosing from the fish tank.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1971454]...There's something stifling about the environment / format, and the value is simply not there.

Not sure why people use those at all, maybe it's the thrill of choosing from the fish tank.[/QUOTE]I have spent quite a bit of time in soapies, as I really used to enjoy them. Lately, over the past 4/5 years, they have not been as much fun, and your description above is right on, a stifling environment / format. The girls are not much into their task and it shows.

Why do I use them? Mostly for convenience. When I land in Thailand, I am dead tired from the long trip. It typically takes me a couple of days to feel normal again. The soapies are excellent venues in those first few days. It takes little effort, just point to a girl or a number, and voila you get to shag a chick. When I started going to LOS, back in 2004, they were a lot of fun. Not so much these days. But it certainly beats the hassle of going out for the chase, buying drinks and chatting the girls.

[QUOTE=JasonBen84;1971409]Thank you Sir! If I am right, Nonny's you specified used to go by different names as Mony / Momoy / May. I may be wrong, not sure. Sad to lose her though! Hope she has good new life ahead.

[/QUOTE]Nonny is a new girl who worked there for about half a year.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1971203]I had a session with Prae maybe a year ago. She had one of the best, if not the best, bodies from among the numerous PSE oily girls I have been with. I would be very surprised if as of when I saw her she had had a baby.

The problem with her though is unlike the vast majority of PSE girls I have been with at oilies, I felt from the moment the session began she put up a wall between me and her, sort of along the lines of "this is a professional transaction so let's get on with it. " If I recall she did moan but the moans were fake and distracting. I had some trouble finishing with her, but took one for the team and finally did so.

So my take: Great body, decent face, fake or perhaps standoffish attitude that got in the way of a fulfilling session. Having said this I have considered trying her again, for her great body, to see whether the other things fall in place. But so far I haven't done so.[/QUOTE]Would agree with your assessment of her performance. Not a good actress and incapable of creating a good mood. I tried her again and the experience was the same. Another friend had the same experience. Seems to be her MO.

[QUOTE=Manderly;1971147]So, I went to my first soapy yesterday (Emmanulle), and it was a pretty lousy experience. I had been pretty excited to go after reading about soapies here and elsewhere, so I'm wondering if I just got ripped off / taken advantage of, got a rare dud, or was just expecting something unreasonable.

I got there around 8 and picked #42, although plenty of others would have been OK too. She was by far the hottest girl I've been with since arriving in BKK a few days ago both in face and body, but the session itself left much to be desired.

There was no kissing, covered BJ only, no body massage, no sliding with soapy suds (why even call it a soapy at that point? And 1 single, rather unenthusiastic coupling. The whole thing struck me as mechanical and highly unerotic, despite the hotness of the girl. In fact, we were done within about 40 minutes, and she even seemed hesitant to let me touch her after that, insisting that any further contact would cost me extra. Even if I were considering it to begin with, I sure as hell was not going to pay (even more) with that attitude.

So, which one is it? Did I unfortunately stumble upon a dud, one who sensed my inexperience and decided to milk it for all it was worth, or is this sort of thing standard for soapies and I'm just expecting too much?[/QUOTE]Mechanical performances and covered BJ's are very, very common at ratchada soapies. I generally avoid them, despite living close by there. Emmanuelle has some hotties, but their management is really fucking annoying. Had one mamasan constantly hound me to pay 20,000 baht for VIP. I kept telling her no, and she finally took my money for the hour and then proceeded to miscount it asking for 1000 baht more. I obviously didn't budge, then she asked for a tip after all of that!! LOL, whatever. I don't mind that much, they have some hot girls, but horrible management.

How much did this your girl cost OP? And why was she so "hot" ? I used to see one there who has a big butt and probably is a 9/10 at the 3700 price range.

[QUOTE]no sliding with soapy suds [/QUOTE]Yep, none of these "soapies" do that. It's only foreigners like us that call them soapies, the Thai's don't call them this or expect this air mattress service. And you shouldn't either, it's just sex, and usually a blowjob isn't part of it if you are not going to the Lord.

[QUOTE=*****man;1971336]Nonny's got herself a Korean boyfriend / sponsor who she met in Snow White and has gone back to Nakhon Phanom. What's up with these young Korean guys? She was great for a one hour 3 hole session but I don't see PSE massage shops as the right place to be looking for long-term relationships. Hopefully it won't last and she'll be back.[/QUOTE]Good questions. From what I hear, there are some very lonely Korean guys, and Thai girls are way cheaper / less materialistic than local Koreans are. Like, there isn't a good GFE providing P4 P industry in Korea. It involves something like buying the girls $300 hand bags and them not putting out but they get to spend a few hours with them pretending to be their boyfriend. So he probably got tired of that, headed to Thailand, and fell for the first girl he liked who actually puts out.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1971497]I have spent quite a bit of time in soapies, as I really used to enjoy them. Lately, over the past 4/5 years, they have not been as much fun, and your description above is right on, a stifling environment / format. The girls are not much into their task and it shows.

Why do I use them? Mostly for convenience. When I land in Thailand, I am dead tired from the long trip. It typically takes me a couple of days to feel normal again. The soapies are excellent venues in those first few days. It takes little effort, just point to a girl or a number, and voila you get to shag a chick. When I started going to LOS, back in 2004, they were a lot of fun. Not so much these days. But it certainly beats the hassle of going out for the chase, buying drinks and chatting the girls.[/QUOTE]I think you have described it well. It has become one of those "back in the day" topics. My first oily was in '92 at? Cleopatra's I think. It was the soapy of your dreams. Bareback was the norm then and the girl slipped me into her some 20 minutes into the slip and slide. Probably she had pre-lubed herself. Or not. It was amazing.

[QUOTE=Manderly;1971147]So, I went to my first soapy yesterday (Emmanulle), and it was a pretty lousy experience. I had been pretty excited to go after reading about soapies here and elsewhere, so I'm wondering if I just got ripped off / taken advantage of, got a rare dud, or was just expecting something unreasonable.

I got there around 8 and picked #42, although plenty of others would have been OK too. She was by far the hottest girl I've been with since arriving in BKK a few days ago both in face and body, but the session itself left much to be desired.

There was no kissing, covered BJ only, no body massage, no sliding with soapy suds (why even call it a soapy at that point? And 1 single, rather unenthusiastic coupling. The whole thing struck me as mechanical and highly unerotic, despite the hotness of the girl. In fact, we were done within about 40 minutes, and she even seemed hesitant to let me touch her after that, insisting that any further contact would cost me extra. Even if I were considering it to begin with, I sure as hell was not going to pay (even more) with that attitude.

So, which one is it? Did I unfortunately stumble upon a dud, one who sensed my inexperience and decided to milk it for all it was worth, or is this sort of thing standard for soapies and I'm just expecting too much?[/QUOTE]Yes you got a dud, and they are not all that uncommon. Soapy refers to the Soapy Suds bath more than anything. Body slide girls were still a possible thing at Emmanuelle a couple of years back but I did not check recently about that. I used to have a collection of favorite soapy girls to visit at Amsterdam, La Belle, Utopia, Emanuelle, etc. , but most of these have disappeared. No. 14 at Annies was still good for me, but I don't like the rooms much.

One can assume that there was no chemistry between you and the girl. She may prefer Thai customers, or Japanese or Korean. Could be a racial issue as well. Many Thais are racists.

In Thai these Places are called "Aap Op Nuat", which means "bathe, steam, and massage". No reference to body slides.

For a good body slide I suggest you go to Dr. BJ Nuru now renamed to Chrome bar in Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. Body slides are still available at some Soapy places. Perhaps Chao Praya 2, in Sri Ayuthaya Road still has them. That was my original favorite place till it went into decline and most body slide girls were not at all slim.

Annies has body slide but in cramped space, also can be had at Colonze 2, and various Nuru shops. Most body slide places have shut down. Do not go to J One or Cupidy as these are rip off places.

My big problem at Soapy places is to find enough pretty girls without nose jobs or silicones, that are not dick scared and will give GFE with DFK. Used to be so easy to get these at Chao Praya 2 and Mona Lisa and Cleopatra up to 10 years ago, but these days I am not sure where to look for a good price. Things declined badly after Thaksin came to power in Thailand, and all the girls that were not Thai citizens or age problem were swept out. Recently we had a second sweep out period and Nataree was shut down.

Nothing has declined so badly as the girls in the Soapies, in my view. This caused me to start trying Oily MPs from about 10 years ago. These also declined or I became a lot more choosy. Bars also declined in terms of big price rise, and too many surgeries girls and too many young fatties.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1971497]Why do I use them? Mostly for convenience. When I land in Thailand, I am dead tired from the long trip. It typically takes me a couple of days to feel normal again. The soapies are excellent venues in those first few days. It takes little effort, just point to a girl or a number, and voila you get to shag a chick. When I started going to LOS, back in 2004, they were a lot of fun. Not so much these days. But it certainly beats the hassle of going out for the chase, buying drinks and chatting the girls.[/QUOTE]10 to 15 years ago I agree, I would prefer a Soapy. If happened to get a weak girl, at Chao Praya 2, no matter, just book another one to follow on. Prices were very reasonable. It still took me a lot of time to view the girls, size them up, and finally make a choice. I had a good mamasan to advise me too.

I actually prefer now to view girls naked in a bar for some time, finally call over one or more for a chat, and take time to make the decision. Its not so cheap these days that a mistake is no big deal. I really have been able to minimise the bar girl mistakes in the last two years by being very patient and not choosing in a rush like I used to.

Unfortunately dick scared girls cannot be easily predicted whether at a Soapy, a Bar or an Oily, Disco, Freelancer whatever. Have found a very high incidence of dick scared girls at Soapies in recent years. Better for me to choose mothers. LOL. Also I am often disappointed in the girl's bodies after they take the clothes off. It is hard to see the figure with Soapy girls seated. If they can stand, that helps a lot. Annies asks girls to stand, but it is all too quick to really look at figure detail in time.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1971597]Good questions. From what I hear, there are some very lonely Korean guys, and Thai girls are way cheaper / less materialistic than local Koreans are. Like, there isn't a good GFE providing P4 P industry in Korea. It involves something like buying the girls $300 hand bags and them not putting out but they get to spend a few hours with them pretending to be their boyfriend. So he probably got tired of that, headed to Thailand, and fell for the first girl he liked who actually puts out.[/QUOTE]Yes, Korean gals are materialistic, but my experience is that they deliver the goods in bed. Far more intense, nastier, and more fun than Thai gals. I would never want to date one, but as far as P4 P goes the ones I have been with have blown most Thai gals out of the water. Nice white skin as well.

[QUOTE=*****man;1971336]Nonny's got herself a Korean boyfriend / sponsor who she met in Snow White and has gone back to Nakhon Phanom. What's up with these young Korean guys? She was great for a one hour 3 hole session but I don't see PSE massage shops as the right place to be looking for long-term relationships. Hopefully it won't last and she'll be back.[/QUOTE]Most girls would be glad to find a good man to take them away from it all. However problems occur.

Sometimes the girls imagined a far more quiet sex life but find the boyfriend wants to fuck several times per day. Sometimes she is happier with sex once or twice a week.

Sometimes the man can't sustain the very high cost of supporting the girl and her extended family of parents and brothers and sisters. She turns out to be just too expensive. He suddenly realises it was much cheaper per fuck to visit her as a customer. Sometimes the man has tricked her into thinking he is wealthy and she will live like a queen.

High sex requirements by the man and high money requirements by the girl are just some of the problems. A lot of the girls get forced to return more than once.

I would be really happy to find a hot girl who wanted sex just 5 to 7 times per week. Occasionally found girls that say they want it everyday, but reality is not the same.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1971597]Good questions. From what I hear, there are some very lonely Korean guys, and Thai girls are way cheaper / less materialistic than local Koreans are. Like, there isn't a good GFE providing P4 P industry in Korea. It involves something like buying the girls $300 hand bags and them not putting out but they get to spend a few hours with them pretending to be their boyfriend. So he probably got tired of that, headed to Thailand, and fell for the first girl he liked who actually puts out.[/QUOTE]I know there's a matchmaking industry in Korea for rural men to find southeast Asian brides and can even understand some Korean guy falling in love with a girl he met in Thermae or somewhere like that. At least picking up a girl there can give you the impression of meeting a normal girl. But unless he stumbled into Snow White accidentally he must have known the nature of the place. Nonny is unusually sweet but she took a lot of dick in all 3 holes during her brief stint there. When this guy grows up that's going to give him something to think about.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1971664]...my experience is that they deliver the goods in bed. Far more intense, nastier, and more fun than Thai gals. I would never want to date one, but as far as P4 P goes the ones I have been with have blown most Thai gals out of the water. Nice white skin as well.[/QUOTE]My experience too. Back home, that's all I visit, just Korean WG. IMO, they are the best in every activity, be it DFK, P2 P, FS, massage. I can't have enough of them. Thank God there is plenty of them close to where I live, for now.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1971717]Most girls would be glad to find a good man to take them away from it all.[/QUOTE]A star PSE girl like Nonny must have had 4-5 customers a day which means she would have been earning maybe 200,000 baht a month. A lot of P4 P girls are looking for Mr Right but I think PSE girls are looking for quick money. Maybe she got the money she needs and is now happy with whatever this guy is paying her. I doubt this guy is a high earner though so might not be able to give her what she's used to.

[QUOTE=*****man;1971725]A star PSE girl like Nonny must have had 4-5 customers a day which means she would have been earning maybe 200,000 baht a month. A lot of P4 P girls are looking for Mr Right but I think PSE girls are looking for quick money. Maybe she got the money she needs and is now happy with whatever this guy is paying her. I doubt this guy is a high earner though so might not be able to give her what she's used to.[/QUOTE]An average girl doesn't make so much but a really top girl can get 150 K. I guess 200 K maybe fairly rare, I don't know the girl of course. Anyway, most guys can't afford to support a girl to the tune of 150 K per month. That is a bit beyond me, so I never comtemplated taking a 150 K girl away from it. LOL. There was such a girl that I seriously liked in the past, but 150 K is way too far. LOL.

Do math and work out how much it costs to support her on a per fuck basis, making some assumptions that sex might be often and damn good. LOL.

So rich benefactors only I think. Then you have to think of what other things she is great for, outside of sex. My GF doesn't bring to me many of the things I was expecting or hoping for, including not enough sex. Having a GF is not always so worthwhile whether great at sex or not. Costly though.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1971717]Most girls would be glad to find a good man to take them away from it all. [/QUOTE]I think that used to be the case 15 years ago, but now they make far more money and there are very few dudes that would support them at the monetary level they make at the oilies.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1971740]My GF doesn't bring to me many of the things I was expecting or hoping for, including not enough sex. Having a GF is not always so worthwhile whether great at sex or not. Costly though.[/QUOTE]"For every gorgeous woman out there, there's a guy tired of banging her." - Another relevant Charlie Sheen quote.

I myself begin to lose my desire for a girl after 1 week of monogamous sex with her no matter how sexy and beautiful she is. I need variety to stay hard and cum. That's why I will probably never settle down with just one girl. Perhaps a two girl relationship might work if the girls can get along. Ha Ha. But I would probably get tired of two girls after a while too if that's all there was.

[QUOTE=*****man;1971722]Nonny is unusually sweet but she took a lot of dick in all 3 holes during her brief stint there. When this guy grows up that's going to give him something to think about. [/QUOTE]But really, whether she had 1 or 10 or 100 of more "lovers" in the past, what difference does that make? Could one really be jealous about "lovers" of the past? The mind boggles! It takes a very insecure mind to be bothered by that.

I know the saying "You can take the girl out the bar, but not the bar out the girl", but that's another issue.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1971765]"For every gorgeous woman out there, there's a guy tired of banging her." - Another relevant Charlie Sheen quote.

I myself begin to lose my desire for a girl after 1 week of monogamous sex with her no matter how sexy and beautiful she is. I need variety to stay hard and cum. That's why I will probably never settle down with just one girl. Perhaps a two girl relationship might work if the girls can get along. Ha Ha. But I would probably get tired of two girls after a while too if that's all there was.[/QUOTE]That is not me. If the girl is good enough, I don't get tired of her too quick. One Gik I was doing occasionally for 20 years and at one period was weekly.

I never got tired of banging the GF either after 11 years, but just don't get it often enough. Lately I have a girl I could do every day, if she was available continuously. Best I have got was about 4 days in a row with her.

I won't take someone else in preference because I know she is better. My mongering is largely a function of being deprived of a beautiful fuck with a beautiful girl.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1971847]That is not me. If the girl is good enough, I don't get tired of her too quick. One Gik I was doing occasionally for 20 years and at one period was weekly.

I never got tired of banging the GF either after 11 years, but just don't get it often enough. Lately I have a girl I could do every day, if she was available continuously. Best I have got was about 4 days in a row with her.

[/QUOTE]I can be very happy with a girl, having sex with her occasionally for a prolonged period of time too, if I really dig her and as long as I am getting lots of other girls on the side whenever I want it. But my point was that I know I could not stay satisfied with only one woman in monogamy, going to bed with her every single night. It wouldn't matter if she was a 19 year old Bridget Bardot. At a certain point I would become completely familiar with her and her body (her pussy and her tits) and at that point the relationship would hit the wall and begin to trend downward unless I could get away and find other women to satisfy my need for NEW.

On my last visit to Manila, I hooked up with my two favorite Makati Bar girls for 9 out the 10 nights I stayed there. Some of the guys over in the Makati forum ribbed me over this. I didn't mind their good-natured humor. I have known my two Makati girls for a few years now. On my last night in town I threw a farewell party in their bar. We had 10 Tequilas each. Both girls were blowing me in the bar. A girl friend of theirs joined us and she blew me in the bar too. Then all 4 of us jammed into a taxi back to my hotel were we really got it on. It was the best night I have had in at least 5 or 6 years. So I am thinking I need more than one girl, two girls minimum, for a lasting, satisfying, open relationship. 555.

Buddha, I miss SE Asia. I really miss the girls.

N.B.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1971853]I can be very happy with a girl, having sex with her occasionally for a prolonged period of time too, if I really dig her and as long as I am getting lots of other girls on the side whenever I want it. But my point was that I know I could not stay satisfied with only one woman in monogamy, going to bed with her every single night. It wouldn't matter if she was a 19 year old Bridget Bardot. At a certain point I would become completely familiar with her and her body (her pussy and her tits) and at that point the relationship would hit the wall and begin to trend downward unless I could get away and find other women to satisfy my need for NEW.
[/QUOTE]I don't really understand the need for NEW but I do understand the need for Change or variety. The question for me would be how big a harem would need to be to make me completely happy. I think a 5 or 6 girl harem could be fine if includes a western girl or two, Asian, and a black beauty, and at least 1 girl with large natural knockers. To be fair I would allow the girls to get variety of men also.

As mongers, we tend to collect several regulars to form a harem, but most of the harem are P4 P girls.

On another topic, I think either partner gets bored less, if can reach orgasms easily. My GF is so sensitive she gets orgasms with no difficulty, so she could probably get them with a wide variety of guys, where girls difficult to cum may need to find the guy with the right techniques or willing to learn.

I don't know if girls like a wide variety of cock shapes and sizes. I know I don't like pussies to be too small nor too large. Best with even grip along length of cock and slide very easy for me. So prefer medium to large sized squeezing pussies, but not cavenous.

I really only have desire to try NEW girls if either desperate for sex and regulars not available, or if the NEW girl is super special looking. Tonight I nearly missed out fucking a girl altogether, as some of the options just did not look exciting enough, and the super stunner was not available.

Anyone ever bring their own tunes to the MPs? Will be my first time in BKK this coming February, I am putting together a few play-lists to enhance the vibe. Want to bring in my iPhone and Bose Soundlink II, bluetooth link. Do they allow this, as long as the volume isn't too intense? Seems like a very good idea.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1971740]An average girl doesn't make so much but a really top girl can get 150 K. I guess 200 K maybe fairly rare, I don't know the girl of course. Anyway, most guys can't afford to support a girl to the tune of 150 K per month. That is a bit beyond me, so I never comtemplated taking a 150 K girl away from it. LOL. There was such a girl that I seriously liked in the past, but 150 K is way too far. LOL.

Do math and work out how much it costs to support her on a per fuck basis, making some assumptions that sex might be often and damn good. LOL.

So rich benefactors only I think. Then you have to think of what other things she is great for, outside of sex. My GF doesn't bring to me many of the things I was expecting or hoping for, including not enough sex. Having a GF is not always so worthwhile whether great at sex or not. Costly though.[/QUOTE]I would think you can typically take a 150 K (or whatever) girl out as for less than their actual salary. Think of it as a "work from home" perk. They can be paid less since they don't have to sit around in a brothel all day. They can now go on vacations to Europe / Samui / etc, take selfies and gain face with their family / cousins / etc, something that is like equally as important as money. But yet, most guys who do that are rich, or rather, come from rich families. They pay the monthly bill on the car that they "buy" them, girl gains a lot more face, doesn't have to work in Bangkok / Pattaya. So a whole 150 k / month isn't needed to match the benefits / perks of not having to actually work anymore. Also, these rich benefactors tend to get bored of the relationship after a year (like how many of these relatioships work out in the long run anyway right? And the girl goes back to work in the brothel. Pretty much any girl who can speak perfect English (and works in a brothel in Thailand) had something like this happen.

[QUOTE=AquaDreams;1971898]Anyone ever bring their own tunes to the MPs? Will be my first time in BKK this coming February, I am putting together a few play-lists to enhance the vibe. Want to bring in my iPhone and Bose Soundlink II, bluetooth link. Do they allow this, as long as the volume isn't too intense? Seems like a very good idea.[/QUOTE]I would ignore the previous reply. Over the top in my opinion and did not even seem to register that you would keep the volume at reasonable levels. Coming to BKK is about getting what you want and having a good time. If some tunes will make for a better experience, then why not? You don't have to be like everyone else, especially conforming to the styles of the eclectic bunch here. None of the walls are so thin that some light music will be a disturbance. There is no issue to bring such kit with you and your girl will probably be apprehensive at first when you dig into your bag, then thankful that you are pulling out a speaker rather than a strapon, giant dong, handcuffs or anal beads like some of the other customers might do.

Although not at MPs, I have had a number of girls play music on their phone because that is what they like during a session. Personally I find music or TV a distraction, so I always get things silent. To each his own. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1971960]I would think you can typically take a 150 K (or whatever) girl out as for less than their actual salary. Think of it as a "work from home" perk. They can be paid less since they don't have to sit around in a brothel all day. They can now go on vacations to Europe / Samui / etc, take selfies and gain face with their family / cousins / etc, something that is like equally as important as money. But yet, most guys who do that are rich, or rather, come from rich families. They pay the monthly bill on the car that they "buy" them, girl gains a lot more face, doesn't have to work in Bangkok / Pattaya. So a whole 150 k / month isn't needed to match the benefits / perks of not having to actually work anymore. Also, these rich benefactors tend to get bored of the relationship after a year (like how many of these relatioships work out in the long run anyway right? And the girl goes back to work in the brothel. Pretty much any girl who can speak perfect English (and works in a brothel in Thailand) had something like this happen.[/QUOTE]Wow Parkville. I'm surprised to read such an intelligent post from you. Very good insight on the matter.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1971984]None of the walls are so thin that some light music will be a disturbance. There is no issue to bring such kit with you and your girl will probably be apprehensive at first when you dig into your bag, then thankful that you are pulling out a speaker rather than a strapon, giant dong, handcuffs or anal beads like some of the other customers might do.
[/QUOTE]I have noticed with some girls in the PSE places that they feel more comfortable doing weird pervy stuff than more 'normal' stuff like post-coital relaxation. And last time I was in such a place I could clearly hear the spanking the girl in the next room was getting and her moans, which was quite good as it added to the seedy atmosphere and made my girl raise her volume to try and drown it out. Some guy listening to drum 'n' bass in the next room would just be off-putting. Why not bring a girl into your hotel room for that sort of thing?

[QUOTE=*****man;1971994]I have noticed with some girls in the PSE places that they feel more comfortable doing weird pervy stuff than more 'normal' stuff like post-coital relaxation. And last time I was in such a place I could clearly hear the spanking the girl in the next room was getting and her moans, which was quite good as it added to the seedy atmosphere and made my girl raise her volume to try and drown it out. Some guy listening to drum 'n' bass in the next room would just be off-putting. Why not bring a girl into your hotel room for that sort of thing?[/QUOTE]Last I will say about this. He DID say that he would moderate the volume of whatever music he was playing, so personal preferences aside, I think it is inconsequential. Think positive. The music might be used to have a good rhythm to spank his girl more vigorously, thereby generating lots of she-moans next door which make the seedy atmosphere that some mongers might actually consider a plus! Woo hoo!

If quiet is an important factor, I would suggest to ask for a corner room in an MP where available to minimize noise from adjacent rooms. When I go freelance, I use diPlace at Nana for my short times as the beds do not squeak, no windows for outside noise and solid walls where I have yet to hear sounds from next door. When I do short times near Soi Cowboy, the staff at Asoke Place hand me the same key every time to my preferred "quiet room" so I don't have to be in the rooms on the Cowboy side where I am exposed to the untalented band shreiking out 70's hits. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1971882]I don't really understand the need for NEW but I do understand the need for Change or variety. The question for me would be how big a harem would need to be to make me completely happy. I think a 5 or 6 girl harem could be fine if includes a western girl or two, Asian, and a black beauty, and at least 1 girl with large natural knockers. To be fair I would allow the girls to get variety of men also.[/QUOTE]For me the majority of the draw in Thailand was new. For years I rarely repeated gals, and if I did repeat it was only after several months had passed. I would do two to three new gals per week. It was all about the variety for me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1972023]For me the majority of the draw in Thailand was new. For years I rarely repeated gals, and if I did repeat it was only after several months had passed. I would do two to three new gals per week. It was all about the variety for me.[/QUOTE]I have become very reluctant to take NEW girls simply due to risk of the unknown possibly weak or soso session, so almost always prefer a regular girl if available. Of course being desperate for sex, or meeting an absolute stunner can change my mind. I am amazed that guys on a tight budget can afford too many mistake sessions. What percentage of NEW girls are worth repeating? Certainly less than 50% even for me who likes to repeat.

My variety is more about big tits or small tits, firm or saggy, and stunning looks verses amazing skills, I guess. I can get the practical variety from a limited set of girls.

Little benefit to get new girls with slightly different looks or slightly different personality, if the new one turns out to be dud or not sexually compatible in the room. Still I know guys have the primordial urge to impregnate as many girls as possible to continue their lineage. LOL.

I have to make myself try some new girls in order to increase the pool of girls available for repeat.

Last night was different, meeting an absolute stunner on the street near Soi 5, who was alas not available, quickly heading to some client, but I would have agreed to take her in 2 seconds flat, if she was available. I should have offered her a big tip for the LINE contact, in retrospect, but was too slow thinking, since she works in Rama 3 district. Prettiest girl that I saw in a long time. Literally I stopped dead in my tracks after going 5 metres past her, turned around and was forced to go to where she was. Every guy was wanting to do this girl, I reckon, unless they require absolutely white skin. I have no clue about her tits. Was the face that hooked me instantly and body looked pretty good. I would not care if she had zero tits, although unlikely. She looked exuberantly dazzling to me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1972041]I have become very reluctant to take NEW girls simply due to risk of the unknown possibly weak or soso session, so almost always prefer a regular girl if available. Of course being desperate for sex, or meeting an absolute stunner can change my mind. I am amazed that guys on a tight budget can afford too many mistake sessions. What percentage of NEW girls are worth repeating? Certainly less than 50% even for me who likes to repeat.[/QUOTE]Oh, I am reluctant as well. I am reluctant to take gals who get good reports these days as I find most of the punters to be less than discerning. As I stated in my post; that was why I loved LOS. Cheap and plentiful. When you are spending 12.50 to 25 USD for a sesh; bad ones don't matter that much. Now they do. Hence why I don't partake very much. I just find most sessions a waste of money. As one dude on here so perfectly stated, "I'd rather save the money, spend it on a great meal, and head home for a wank. " At current prices my expectations for looks and performance are almost never met.

My last day for an oily visit and I was split between doing a repeat or opting for something new. I had thought I spied something interesting with tattoos as I left snow white after ninja visit #2 but I didn't want to go in not pick Ninja and walk out in case I didn't like the better view I had. So did the walk through of 24 then 24/1 and happened upon a girl with a different look I had noticed earlier in the week at Can Cam. Name was Youko from Ching Mai which explains some of the different look than you normally see at these places. Really nice tits, they were fake but one of the better jobs I had seen so much so had trouble determining they weren't real. She had a baby but nothing much showed and may have explained the nice knockers some. LFK, a little DFK, and average fair for one of these places, but she was sweet and accommodating and no complaints. Got her line for future contact and would consider repeating. Cam Can is a little more at either 2200 for 60 vs the more common 1900.

She actually looks younger in person than in the pics so rare time she is better in person than pics.

[URL]http://cancam-massage.com/gals/profile.php?gal_dir=92[/URL]

I love the variety. The excitement of seeing a new girls face during the act and hearing her moans. Certainly makes the quiet ones less interesting to me. But I also agree better sex is almost always with regulars, same as when in a relationship and it improves as you learn what works for both of you. This is also some of the reason I am willing to try a new place and often find something I like instead of walking, a lot of the adventure for me is trying a new girl. Guess I am still feeding that primordial urge. I do like collecting pics of the girls in a dropbox archive, reviewing later makes for a nice way to pass a crappy afternoon.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1972041]I have become very reluctant to take NEW girls simply due to risk of the unknown possibly weak or soso session, so almost always prefer a regular girl if available. Of course being desperate for sex, or meeting an absolute stunner can change my mind. I am amazed that guys on a tight budget can afford too many mistake sessions. What percentage of NEW girls are worth repeating? Certainly less than 50% even for me who likes to repeat.

My variety is more about big tits or small tits, firm or saggy, and stunning looks verses amazing skills, I guess. I can get the practical variety from a limited set of girls.

Little benefit to get new girls with slightly different looks or slightly different personality, if the new one turns out to be dud or not sexually compatible in the room. Still I know guys have the primordial urge to impregnate as many girls as possible to continue their lineage. LOL.

I have to make myself try some new girls in order to increase the pool of girls available for repeat.

Last night was different, meeting an absolute stunner on the street near Soi 5, who was alas not available, quickly heading to some client, but I would have agreed to take her in 2 seconds flat, if she was available. I should have offered her a big tip for the LINE contact, in retrospect, but was too slow thinking, since she works in Rama 3 district. Prettiest girl that I saw in a long time. Literally I stopped dead in my tracks after going 5 metres past her, turned around and was forced to go to where she was. Every guy was wanting to do this girl, I reckon, unless they require absolutely white skin. I have no clue about her tits. Was the face that hooked me instantly and body looked pretty good. I would not care if she had zero tits, although unlikely. She looked exuberantly dazzling to me.[/QUOTE]

Personally I love being able to hear the other girls in a massage place or a macau sauna. I think it's a great turn on, is sort of like having porn on the tv like they do in macao, but not the screechy japanese stuff. It's great when you can hear a girl getting it next door and your girl looks at you and you share a smile on the things to come. In my first time at a BJ bar (kassalong) this definitely added to the seedy atmosphere hearing another girl polishing someones knob a few stalls over. Nice thing about just hearing and not seeing is could be a girl I would never take or watch in porn and doesn't make a difference, in my head she is super hot. Quiet girls quite frankly are the worst for me and a close tie to girls who overdue the fake moans without any acting skill.

[QUOTE=*****man;1971994]I have noticed with some girls in the PSE places that they feel more comfortable doing weird pervy stuff than more 'normal' stuff like post-coital relaxation. And last time I was in such a place I could clearly hear the spanking the girl in the next room was getting and her moans, which was quite good as it added to the seedy atmosphere and made my girl raise her volume to try and drown it out. Some guy listening to drum 'n' bass in the next room would just be off-putting. Why not bring a girl into your hotel room for that sort of thing?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1972263]Personally I love being able to hear the other girls in a massage place or a macau sauna. I think it's a great turn on, is sort of like having porn on the tv like they do in macao, but not the screechy japanese stuff. It's great when you can hear a girl getting it next door and your girl looks at you and you share a smile on the things to come. In my first time at a BJ bar (kassalong) this definitely added to the seedy atmosphere hearing another girl polishing someones knob a few stalls over. Nice thing about just hearing and not seeing is could be a girl I would never take or watch in porn and doesn't make a difference, in my head she is super hot. Quiet girls quite frankly are the worst for me and a close tie to girls who overdue the fake moans without any acting skill.[/QUOTE]I am not so sure about hearing girls moaning near by. I find myself often thinking that the girls' moans sound a bit fake, but not always. However it is definitely way better to hear the girls only, than to hear the guys grunting. LOL I am also not that keen on overhearing girls talking dirty to their customer. Only a few girls talk a bit dirty with me and it does nothing for me really. Talk is just talk and has a fake feel about it mostly. Action means more.

Tonight I have a date with gorgeous student Donut (ex Crazy H girl). She is definitely a screamer big time in a high pitched quite loud way. I sometimes wonder if she sounds fake to others, but that has always been her way when she gets turned on. I don't think she can do quiet sex at all. LOL Anyway her moaning style is quite unique. I am sure she did not copy it from someone else, unless she has been watching some Japanese porn. LOL Just kidding Japanese porn girls are required to whine like they are suffering. My girl does not sound like suffering, so different again. If she was with someone else in a room nearby, I would definitely recognise her from the way she squeals. LOL.

I also am supposed to meet another freelancer today. Will have to juggle the times, but with Thai girls, one never knows. One of the dates may fall through. Always keep backup plans. LOL.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1972247] Cam Can is a little more at either 2200 for 60 vs the more common 1900.

She actually looks younger in person than in the pics so rare time she is better in person than pics.

[URL]http://cancam-massage.com/gals/profile.php?gal_dir=92[/URL][/QUOTE]This place is a bit pricey and the Japanese papasan is a bit clueless, however they have had some nicer looking girls over time, and good standard rooms. I have tried about 5 or 6 girls from there since about 3 years ago. Two were poor or clueless, and the other 4 good GFEs. No guarantees. Rooms were good for a nice Nuru body slide too.

I normally took slim girls, and I really miss one girl May even though she had sillies, which is unusual for me. Was a great session with a pretty girl. I often thought about trying Lek, but she is rather tiny in stature at 139 cm. I can't remember going lower than 150 before LOL. Maybe I ignore the height, since her face and shape look good. Would 69 even me possible? Good for short guys who want to feel tall.

I went to CanCam more frequently than other places on the Soi simply due to having some prettier girls.

Once in a while would go to Analisa on soi 22, but since they've moved locations, decided to try Kiss Massage further down into the soi.

Was excited about what appeared to be a quality line-up, until I asked for full service and what was on offer was typical for the old Washington Square places. Some some real cuties around, but I think they only do the BJ or HJ happy ending massages. Massage menu is quite extensive, with all sorts of 'kinky' options, but it seems all style over substance. Only one full service option, and the price is a greatly inflated Bt. 2500!

Though a relatively new place, rooms already worn and with that funky small massage shop moldy odour to them.

Overall, not recommended. Much better options abound and for this shop's full service rates soapies have much better line-ups.

I had to go pick up some IT gear at Fortune Town today, so decided to swing by Amsterdam. To my surprise, it is gone, torn down. Part of the older building still standing and tried to see if they just consolidated into one building, but it too seems to be prepped for a tear-down.

Any info on Amsterdam relocating, or are they out of business for good?

[QUOTE=Thulolado;1972386]I had to go pick up some IT gear at Fortune Town today, so decided to swing by Amsterdam. To my surprise, it is gone, torn down. Part of the older building still standing and tried to see if they just consolidated into one building, but it too seems to be prepped for a tear-down.

Any info on Amsterdam relocating, or are they out of business for good?[/QUOTE]Read a report dated 23 Oct. that Amsterdam has taken over the Emmanuelle location and is renovating it, so not sure if it is open or not. Emmanuelle was previously in serious decline with seemingly not enough business to sustain it. The real estate is valuable so not sure what will happen to old Amsterdam location.

Last time I was at Amsterdam I did see scaffolding but did not think anything much.

I guess if Amsterdam can retain its old clients and Emannuelle clients in the new combined location, it may be workable. Sale of Amsterdam could well cover costs to buy Emannuelle and renovate.

Even ilikemassage.com website has no up to date info, however you can pick up the phone number there. Not sure if can get anyone that speaks English, when ringing.

I also read that Colonze 2 became Ocean Entertainment and was enhanced. Might be worth a visit since I did not go there for years now.

I decided to check her out this evening. She looks the same as in the Halloween photos on the Mango website but older. In particular the crow's feet which are just a little bit noticeable in those photos are much more noticeable in real life. She must be in her 30's. I find Emmy and View at Snow White, who are similar ages and also without babies, more attractive. So I decided to go there instead but none of the rooms were free. High season has definitely arrived in Sukhumvit so I think it's to time to check out the Ratchada soapies again.

[QUOTE=*****man;1972427]I decided to check her out this evening. She looks the same as in the Halloween photos on the Mango website but older. In particular the crow's feet which are just a little bit noticeable in those photos are much more noticeable in real life. She must be in her 30's. I find Emmy and View at Snow White, who are similar ages and also without babies, more attractive. So I decided to go there instead but none of the rooms were free. High season has definitely arrived in Sukhumvit so I think it's to time to check out the Ratchada soapies again.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Prae claims lto be well under 30 and with her body I believed it. However she worked Annies quite a few years ago when she was just 18 or 19 she says.

Emmy has the nose job and broader face actually to my eye but definitely a better looker at SW than most.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1972456]Ha ha. Prae claims lto be well under 30 and with her body I believed it. However she worked Annies quite a few years ago when she was just 18 or 19 she says.

Emmy has the nose job and broader face actually to my eye but definitely a better looker at SW than most.[/QUOTE]I find Emmy to be far better looking than Prae.

[QUOTE=Thulolado;1972384]Once in a while would go to Analisa on soi 22, but since they've moved locations, decided to try Kiss Massage further down into the soi.

Was excited about what appeared to be a quality line-up, until I asked for full service and what was on offer was typical for the old Washington Square places. Some some real cuties around, but I think they only do the BJ or HJ happy ending massages. Massage menu is quite extensive, with all sorts of 'kinky' options, but it seems all style over substance. Only one full service option, and the price is a greatly inflated Bt. 2500!

Though a relatively new place, rooms already worn and with that funky small massage shop moldy odour to them.

Overall, not recommended. Much better options abound and for this shop's full service rates soapies have much better line-ups.[/QUOTE]I had a session at Honey Bee which is a sister shop of Kiss. That girl is listed for both places but she told me that she likes to be at Honey Bee better.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1968886]Same girl. Even the same tattoo.[/QUOTE]Well she is still insisting the old Bonus has retired. I'm no psychologist but it's as if she wants to shed her old skin leave her past behind and become somebody else, a sort of split personality I guess you could say. She admits she looks a little like the old Bonus but says the old Bonus was skinnier and didn't have a tattoo. On this visit she was sad and melancholic and while professional enough to go through her routine the buzz was missing. She talked a lot and at one stage strangely started to reminisce about the "other Bonus" referring to her in the third person, how much money she used to make, how many bookings she had, how many customers wanted to marry her. This is one complicated lady. Thing is I must be a little odd also because I really enjoy her company.

The other thing I forgot to report from Mango is that when they were waving the menu at me I was surprised to see a 500 baht surcharge for A+. There's something like a XXXX option which included nuru and the 500 baht A+ surcharge. Unless Snow White and Cherry also start charging extra for A+ it seems the A+ Mango girls are going to lose a lot of customers. Why pay 500 baht extra when a 5 minute walk takes you to more A+ options without a surcharge?

[QUOTE=*****man;1972831]The other thing I forgot to report from Mango is that when they were waving the menu at me I was surprised to see a 500 baht surcharge for A+. There's something like a XXXX option which included nuru and the 500 baht A+ surcharge. Unless Snow White and Cherry also start charging extra for A+ it seems the A+ Mango girls are going to lose a lot of customers. Why pay 500 baht extra when a 5 minute walk takes you to more A+ options without a surcharge?[/QUOTE]Trick no. 1 in the "How to scam a tourist" book. Print it, preferable laminate it too, and your "tariff" suddenly becomes official and binding and no longer open for discussion or negotiation.

I second that for trick #1. Getting a taxi at MNL they also try this with a chart which is nuts. Taxi to Batangas (port for getting to Sebang for scuba) should run 2500-3000 Peso. Their "chart" says something like 6 k. This year when they yanked that out I just laughed and said not my first time, don't bother.

I think trick #2 is, "Oh that is closed today, or last boat / train / bus already leave" but can take you here.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1972927]Trick no. 1 in the "How to scam a tourist" book. Print it, preferable laminate it too, and your "tariff" suddenly becomes official and binding and no longer open for discussion or negotiation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=*****man;1972831]The other thing I forgot to report from Mango is that when they were waving the menu at me I was surprised to see a 500 baht surcharge for A+. There's something like a XXXX option which included nuru and the 500 baht A+ surcharge. Unless Snow White and Cherry also start charging extra for A+ it seems the A+ Mango girls are going to lose a lot of customers. Why pay 500 baht extra when a 5 minute walk takes you to more A+ options without a surcharge?[/QUOTE]Their gals are just not good looking enough to be charging more. My suspicion is that biz is off and they are trying to make up for it with the surcharge. It won't work. As a matter of fact, I went to Bamboo once right after it opened, was hit with the surcharge and never went back.

Thanks for the report. I arrive in a few days for my usual winter lay over and was wondering if Ninja is back. Hope she is feeling better. I am always very gentle so I feel for her. Is TAR still there? She is always great. I didn't see her pic on the website. Thanks.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1972979]Their gals are just not good looking enough to be charging more. My suspicion is that biz is off and they are trying to make up for it with the surcharge. It won't work. As a matter of fact, I went to Bamboo once right after it opened, was hit with the surcharge and never went back.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Vodkin;1972592]I had a session at Honey Bee which is a sister shop of Kiss. That girl is listed for both places but she told me that she likes to be at Honey Bee better.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know where Rung from Kiss / honeybee went? Easily that places both top performer and looker by a longshot.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1973044]Thanks for the report. I arrive in a few days for my usual winter lay over and was wondering if Ninja is back. Hope she is feeling better. I am always very gentle so I feel for her. Is TAR still there? She is always great. I didn't see her pic on the website. Thanks.

Thanks

.[/QUOTE]Ninja was never away. She was only allegedly injured from too much A+.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1973161]Ninja was never away. She was only allegedly injured from too much A+.[/QUOTE]She's in Nakhon Phanom this week, should be back next week. We need more non-Ninja A+ reports. I read somewhere else that Sandy from Addict is A+ and that she also has no baby. She's the first girl on the Addict website and looks quite nice. Anyone have experience with her? No surcharge?

[QUOTE=*****man;1973171]She's in Nakhon Phanom this week, should be back next week. We need more non-Ninja A+ reports. I read somewhere else that Sandy from Addict is A+ and that she also has no baby. She's the first girl on the Addict website and looks quite nice. Anyone have experience with her? No surcharge?[/QUOTE]Sorry about that. What I meant to say is Ninja did not stop working because of an injury. She goes back home every month for about a week during that time of the month.

[QUOTE=*****man;1973171]She's in Nakhon Phanom this week, should be back next week. We need more non-Ninja A+ reports. I read somewhere else that Sandy from Addict is A+ and that she also has no baby. She's the first girl on the Addict website and looks quite nice. Anyone have experience with her? No surcharge?[/QUOTE]I saw her once. She works early in the morning and leaves after making enough money, and isn't on staff as much. Definitely need to call ahead to book her, preferably early like 11 AM-1 PM. I heard she works as a freelancer at levels sometimes.

She's a little more fat / thick / round than in the pictures you can see on the website, but still good looking, and overall the package looks nice. Not the japanese / frail / schoolgirl look. She's also quite a freak, high energy. She's probably the only reason to visit addict honestly, as the other girls are all kind of timid / lazy / basic, and cater to Japanese men mostly. Not much else to say other than to give Sandy a whirl, and that her pics are not as accurate (as is always the case, they're all photoshoped to look slimer).

[QUOTE=*****man;1973171]She's in Nakhon Phanom this week, should be back next week. We need more non-Ninja A+ reports. I read somewhere else that Sandy from Addict is A+ and that she also has no baby. She's the first girl on the Addict website and looks quite nice. Anyone have experience with her? No surcharge?[/QUOTE]Isn't Sandy a bit broad faced for your taste? potentially a bit broad for me in face, body, nose, and probable sillies (nose I can't be sure), based on the pics. I see Parville rates her as energetic though which is good, but I much prefer skinny girls unless the face is really something special. However it is no use to get a skinny lazy girl.

I previously enjoyed J J who was not that skinny and not at all lazy, and gave possibly the best BBBJ ever in 69 formation. Unfortunately she left. Looks were similar to pics of Bowie, maybe slightly thicker. Another girl First was average with some baby damage, and a third girl was very shy but a good fuck and really too much flab. Never had a really bad time there, but also not much reasons to repeat. Only J J of 3 or 4 girls was worth repeating. So I can understand wanting a highly recommended girl.

My taste would be for yummy Yumi (potentially stunning if could see her properly), cute Smile (reminds me of old TV star and singer Marsha), and A (Aey), based on web site pics only. My criteria for selection would be slim, no surgeries, DFK, GFE, and non dick-scared. Don't care if they are a mother, if damage is minimal, and don't care if A+ or not. For me looks comes first. Without satisfactory looks for face or body, I won't even bother to try. I sometimes tried highly recommended girls not quite my spec, but rarely ever wanted to repeat them. Great service is not quite enough for me, and clearly is not enough for *****man either since he excludes girls with babies.

Line up at Addict is large often 20+ girls but very few meet my specs and are also naturally pretty. Sometimes was hard to find a single girl in line up worth another glance. That is just my picky attitude.

[url]http://www.addictmassagebkk.com/index.php?mo=10&art=42313136[/url]

I recall once admiring Poppy in the line up, I am pretty sure it was her, but she gave a poor vibe and did not want to look at me or answer what her name was. Not sure what was the problem. Maybe girls expect to be picked without speaking. I recall at Eden girls were pissed off by my attempt to talk to them in Thai, not every single girl, just a couple of interest maybe, to try help final decision by how they answered me, when still slightly undecided. Of course I am very used to talking to bargirls for a period before deciding if we might really be keen to do each other. In most MPs, girls react quite well when I make a joke or two to the line up, to lighten things up, starting with my Thai knick name which is already quite humorous (an advantage as girls never forget my funny name).

At Eden they are expecting customers to select very rapidly and get pissed off by having to do the line up. The bad vibe is counter productive and caused me not to choose a girl, causing wasting their time to be a self-fulfilling prophesy. This was long ago, but I never went back to Eden because the line up procedure had too much pressure to just pick two girls very rapidly.

Addict is busy so there may be a succession of customers wanting to look at the line up, allowing just a little more time to look at the girls properly and look at the expression when they whisper to their friends. Anyway choosing girls from a line up is quite difficult for me and I am not that fast. I have on occasion missed out because some other customer first selected the same girl I intended to select.
I was too slow to get No. 14 at Annies the first attempt and ended up with some crap girl No. 99. Shit happens.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1973219]Isn't Sandy a bit broad faced for your taste? potentially a bit broad for me in face, body, nose, and probable sillies (nose I can't be sure), based on the pics.

My taste would be for yummy Yumi (potentially stunning if could see her properly), cute Smile (reminds me of old TV star and singer Marsha), and A (Aey). My criteria for selection would be slim, no surgeries, DFK, GFE, and non dick-scared. Don't care if they are a mother, if damage is minimal, and don't care if A+ or not.

[/QUOTE]I've taken a girl from Addict before and it was a very poor experience so I couldn't care less what the rest of them look like. The only reason I'm considering Sandy is because I hear she's a good A+ option with a doable face and body.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1973213]I saw her once. She works early in the morning and leaves after making enough money, and isn't on staff as much. Definitely need to call ahead to book her, preferably early like 11 AM-1 PM. I heard she works as a freelancer at levels sometimes.

She's a little more fat / thick / round than in the pictures you can see on the website, but still good looking, and overall the package looks nice. Not the japanese / frail / schoolgirl look. She's also quite a freak, high energy. She's probably the only reason to visit addict honestly, as the other girls are all kind of timid / lazy / basic, and cater to Japanese men mostly. Not much else to say other than to give Sandy a whirl, and that her pics are not as accurate (as is always the case, they're all photoshoped to look slimer).[/QUOTE]I agree with what you say about Addict and it sounds like Sandy is worth booking. How old does she look in real life?

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1973213]She's probably the only reason to visit addict honestly, as the other girls are all kind of timid / lazy / basic, and cater to Japanese men mostly. Not much else to say other than to give Sandy a whirl, and that her pics are not as accurate (as is always the case, they're all photoshoped to look slimer).[/QUOTE]Have you tried a lot of Addict girls to form a reasonable sample to be able to say most are lazy or timid or basic? it is rather generalising, to say that, unless you really tried a good sample. I suppose 6 to 10 girls would be a good enough sample, which I did not yet achieve. I don't really try to rate shops but only girls until I get to significant sample of girls tried. It is a little hard to follow what you mean exactly by basic, like DFK in or out. Addict is not a porn star shop. I admit to having only tried 3 or at most 4. One of those quite timid, and a bit of flab. One was average "First" (perhaps that is basic. Don't recall if lazy now), and J J was a really good performer (but not there any longer).

So yeh, Addict is not setting my world on fire. Always prepared to try someone really stunning though, should they exist, just in case we hit it off. I am not that demanding except wanting fun and stamina. LOL Occasionally I am desperate and take anything acceptable looking. LOL That is how I ended trying Prae at Mango, but only got desperate once in the last two weeks.

If anyone tried Yumi, Kaimook (means Pearl), Smile, or A, I would like to hear if they were all natural, looked as good as the pics, were GFE, etc.

[QUOTE=*****man;1973171]She's in Nakhon Phanom this week, should be back next week. We need more non-Ninja A+ reports. I read somewhere else that Sandy from Addict is A+ and that she also has no baby. She's the first girl on the Addict website and looks quite nice. Anyone have experience with her? No surcharge?[/QUOTE]I can't say for sure if Sandy or any other girls at Addict provide A+ services, but it's my impression neither Sandy nor most of the girls at Addict would provide A+. I have never heard about anybody getting A+ nor have I ever been offered it by any girls there. Addict is not really a PSE shop.

I suggest you call and check before going. If anybody does allow A+ I suspect they would ask for extra tip for it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1973234]If anyone tried Yumi, Kaimook (means Pearl), Smile, or A, I would like to hear if they were all natural, looked as good as the pics, were GFE, etc.[/QUOTE]I've met Smile once in the beginning of the year when she worked in another MP. She was new to the job and was all natural (even the nose). She was very pretty: her skin is little bit dark, tall and fit, no baby damage, small breasts but still nice, very good ass, fresh and tight pussy. DFK was very light, she likes the DATY and might be dick scared if you're bigger than average and I don't think she is the kind of girl that like to be fucked for a long time but that may depend on the customer. At that time she was partying very often in scratch dog disco (very Korean oriented disco).

I also had a very memorable 2 hour session with Poppy in the same period of time (in Addict). She looks very serious in the website pic but in real life looked better. Just a little bit more round but still very firm. She had a white skin and her body was good, no baby damage and a good ass. She was a lot of fun, the beginning of the session was enjoyable. During the BBBJ, she stopped when thought that I was about to cum and told me that she does not allowed the CIM. I told her that it was OK for me because I wanted to fuck her. The fucking part was good although she started complaining about the duration. Then we had an argument.

While we were chatting I told her that I was willing to fuck her for the second round. She said that it was forbidden by the shop, any girl who does that would get fired. Bla bla bla and if I would like to fuck her again I would have to pay another 1500 to the shop. She said the policy of the shop was one fuck service and for the second shot it would be HJ or BJ. I've been to Addict 2 times before meeting her and both times the girl did make me finish in her mouth for the first round and I had the fuck service for the second round. At that time I read a lot of report about Addict as being a 2 shot place and never heard about what she was saying so I just didn't believe her. She was really looking scared to lose her job and she texted one of her colleague while we were in the room. Clearly the mood was not the same than when we entered the room. After about 5 min one girl came at the door and told me some bullshit: "Euh sorry my friend she speak English no good she no understand you". Then I had to tell her "what are you talking about (in Thai), it's been half an hour that we're talking together in Thai". Even Poppy told me "why did she came and say that? That girl went down and we received another message that the Manager number one will come to talk to me. A few minute letter another girl came and told me the same story. At one point she said" how can the girl give two fuck when she gets only 1000 baht" (so it might be that Addict gives only 1000 to the girls and not the 1500 that every body thinks). I told her some bulshit that I received it by many girls from Addict in the past, and then she asked me the names because it's strictly forbidden (according to her). I told her that I forgot their names except for Sandy (even though I've never met her, but after reading the reports I knew she was the star in that shop, and I assumed that she probably gave 2 fuck to most guys, and I knew she would not get fired as she is one that attract a lot of customers). Still they were very surprised to hear that. Then I told her if I don't get 2 fucks I would never come back again, and she said, wait I 'm going to ask the big boss first. Few minutes later we received a text message to not give the 2 fucks and just give the HJ or BJ for the second round, so I was now sure that Poppy did not bulshit me. While we were waiting she tried to persuade me and said I could explode in her mouth so for the second round we went for a 69. It was a crazy one her trying to make finish as quick as possible, me telling her to not use her hands and her taking them off for a while and telling me "I forgot sorry."In the end I had a great CIM, but couldn't go back to that shop for the rest of my trip as I told them. If I did not have that argument I could have repeated her.

I also did the same error than you with number 99 in Anny and received a poor service. Was my first and only time in Anny's.

[QUOTE=BangkokBull;1973239]I can't say for sure if Sandy or any other girls at Addict provide A+ services, but it's my impression neither Sandy nor most of the girls at Addict would provide A+. I have never heard about anybody getting A+ nor have I ever been offered it by any girls there. Addict is not really a PSE shop.

I suggest you call and check before going. If anybody does allow A+ I suspect they would ask for extra tip for it.[/QUOTE]Thanks but what you 'suspect' is not very helpful. I know very well what kind of place Addict is but it's irrelevant as I'm asking about one specific girl. There are a number of different reviews on a number of different websites from guys who have fucked Sandy in the arse so it's a given that she is A+. I'm just interested in hearing other BM's experiences of her. From what's been posted so far and also reading some old reviews the consensus seems to be she's a good (or weird) performer but getting a bit fat.

[QUOTE=BangkokBull;1973239]I can't say for sure if Sandy or any other girls at Addict provide A+ services, but it's my impression neither Sandy nor most of the girls at Addict would provide A+. I have never heard about anybody getting A+ nor have I ever been offered it by any girls there. Addict is not really a PSE shop.
I suggest you call and check before going. If anybody does allow A+ I suspect they would ask for extra tip for it.[/QUOTE]2 days ago I read a report on other board about Sandy and Addict Massage, the guy wrote Sandy is A+, he got 2 HR masssage (room with bathroom) for 2600 baht, he tipped the girl 200 baht.

[QUOTE=*****man;1973226]I agree with what you say about Addict and it sounds like Sandy is worth booking. How old does she look in real life?[/QUOTE]26 but that's really kind of subjective. I think she is a viable choice to try out at the minimum. My heart was literally racing when I saw her the first time but I just don't repeat because nothing special for me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1973234]Have you tried a lot of Addict girls to form a reasonable sample to be able to say most are lazy or timid or basic? it is rather generalising, to say that, unless you really tried a good sample. I suppose 6 to 10 girls would be a good enough sample, which I did not yet achieve. I don't really try to rate shops but only girls until I get to significant sample of girls tried. It is a little hard to follow what you mean exactly by basic, like DFK in or out. Addict is not a porn star shop. I admit to having only tried 3 or at most 4. One of those quite timid, and a bit of flab. One was average "First" (perhaps that is basic. Don't recall if lazy now), and J J was a really good performer (but not there any longer).

So yeh, Addict is not setting my world on fire. Always prepared to try someone really stunning though, should they exist, just in case we hit it off. I am not that demanding except wanting fun and stamina. LOL Occasionally I am desperate and take anything acceptable looking. LOL That is how I ended trying Prae at Mango, but only got desperate once in the last two weeks.

If anyone tried Yumi, Kaimook (means Pearl), Smile, or A, I would like to hear if they were all natural, looked as good as the pics, were GFE, etc.[/QUOTE]I've seen let's see. 1,2,3,4 girls there, not including Sandy. None of them were hot, they all looked much more. Basic / below average after their uniform came off. Only 2/4 would even do kissing. The 2 that did were definitely into it but. They were not exactly lookers. The 2 who weren't were not good looking either. What gets me about the place is the uniforms, they make it so hard to tell what the girl looks like underneath, for me anyway.

So.

2/4 = lazy or just overall below average experience. A minor waste of money. The other 2/4 were just really non-memorable and below average (for me) because they looked so plain / bland naked. The uniforms make them look more sexy. Like some kind of sexy flight attendant theme. But naked, they're not even pretty really.

Also yeah Sandy has fake tits in case anyone is curious. They are ok, not bad, not too big, set well, etc. Again, she wasn't included in my 4 that I reviewed above.


I'm a little picky in looks. Not excessively but I like the hot babe look, or something like that. So I find just walking to the other shops until I find some kind of sexual/energetic/chemistry like vibe is the absolute best thing to do there. Just check out all the shops until you find special one, don't just head to the first one because you saw people reporting on it here (advice to just anyone reading/stumbling into here).

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1973281]I've seen let's see. 1,2,3,4 girls there, not including Sandy. None of them were hot, they all looked much more. Basic / below average after their uniform came off. Only 2/4 would even do kissing. The 2 that did were definitely into it but. They were not exactly lookers. The 2 who weren't were not good looking either. What gets me about the place is the uniforms, they make it so hard to tell what the girl looks like underneath, for me anyway.So.

2/4 = lazy or just overall below average experience. A minor waste of money. The other 2/4 were just really non-memorable and below average (for me) because they looked so plain / bland naked. The uniforms make them look more sexy. Like some kind of sexy flight attendant theme. But naked, they're not even pretty really.

Also yeah Sandy has fake tits in case anyone is curious. They are ok, not bad, not too big, set well, etc. Again, she wasn't included in my 4 that I reviewed above.

I'm a little picky in looks. Not excessively but I like the hot babe look, or something like that. So I find just walking to the other shops until I find some kind of sexual/energetic/chemistry like vibe is the absolute best thing to do there. Just check out all the shops until you find special one, don't just head to the first one because you saw people reporting on it here (advice to just anyone reading/stumbling into here).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detail. I think I am agreeing on almost everything. The uniforms are a very fancy distraction and do hide very average bodies quite well, so one has to be very critical with the eye. Push up bras can hide very saggy tits or bad silicones. I try to compensate by looking for skinny girls natural, but saggy tits are very hard to detect.

Like you I just go from shop to shop till find something extra hot for the body, if possible, and reasonable for the face. Stunning face hardly exists. Have to have freakish luck to get a stunning face. I have certainly entered Addict a few times without choosing someone.

From pics, I could determine that Sandy was not likely to be that slim and likely had fake tits. For nose job, I thought was possible but too hard to tell for sure with small pics. Some others looked more my type in the pics, but real body and performance could be another thing.

I prefer to shop in a bar where girls are totally naked or very close to it, so opportunity to hide figure defects is almost eliminated. They cannot get away with bad stretch marks or badly saggy tits or ass, for example. I even get to see if girls have excessively messy pussy lips, quite often, and extent of piercings and tats. Get to check if the girl smokes, is she going to kiss nicely, etc. Even trying to subtly find out if she likes big, small, or medium dick, recently, and can take time to assess chemistry. I am attracted to very sleek slim girls with tight high ass, good waist to thigh ratio (not straight body), and tits can be A to the, doesn't matter as long as beautiful shape not too saggy and no bad silicone jobs. Only have taken one or two nose job girls in last 2 years, so prefer to avoid them unless good jobs. Costs me more but I never get any bad figures this way. Taking a freelancer on the street or in Thermae is a lot more risky as figure defects can be hidden. One time got a free lancer with tummy like a war zone and very shrunken tits to go with it. Wasn't very exciting for a guy that relies on beauty to turn him on. I can accept some defects, but every girl needs to have some beautiful aspects to concentrate on, not disaster everywhere. Severely defective nose seems to be beyond my levels of acceptance because its right in front of my face.

Recently saw a new girl in Crazy House with no number. All natural slim, probably 18 or 19 YO. Could not see a body defect of any type, barring tits quite small, and a very attractive face, beautiful natural nose (LOL). I was already fucked for the day otherwise might have tried. Even her pussy on full display was beautiful. Not absolutely clean shaved but showing a little stubble like a few days growth. She explained she worked only very part time, and hence had no salary and had not yet even acquired a number, possibly another student. She was quite shy but I could see she would get BFed quickly enough just due to the high quality of her looks. Very few other girls had both face and body as good. "Jun" (rhymes with fun) No. 93 comes close but face not quite as good for smooth colouring and is clearly older.

I think we can accept that Addict may have been overly hyped in terms of the line up quality when it first came on the scene, and finding girls worth repeating has not been a great success to failure ratio. For guys loving the nose jobs and the tit jobs, I can see they would make a completely different assessment. Same as how some guys think Baccara and Rainbow5 are great, and I think they are terrible.

For sure performance of girls is going to be more reliable in a Snow White or a Tulip, and compromise on the looks.

I will try some more Addict girls, if any of my potential stunners, turns out to be stunning in real life. Just I am not in a big hurry yet. I do have a severe shortage of really cute MP regulars at the moment. Not sure that anyone is finding too many of them, or if so keeping it a secret. I would like girls that I would score at least 8 for both face and body, and GFE service to be automatic repeaters. Easy to say, hard to find, unless you are Dr. BJ and have heaps of 9s and 10s around (LOL).

Mostly happy with my regular girls. A couple or 3 of my regulars (bar girls) are not answering messages (or even reading the messages). I suspect they went up country and have not paid for an internet connection for their phone at the moment. They will probably message me soon when they get back to BKK, when I have left Thailand. LOL Best to have a significant list of regulars to minimise days when none of them are answering. LOL Maybe a couple of them picked up boyfriends and went off the grid.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1973253]I've met Smile once in the beginning of the year when she worked in another MP. She was new to the job and was all natural (even the nose). She was very pretty: her skin is little bit dark, tall and fit, no baby damage, small breasts but still nice, very good ass, fresh and tight pussy. DFK was very light, she likes the DATY and might be dick scared if you're bigger than average and I don't think she is the kind of girl that like to be fucked for a long time but that may depend on the customer. At that time she was partying very often in scratch dog disco (very Korean oriented disco).

I also did the same error than you with number 99 in Anny and received a poor service. Was my first and only time in Anny's.[/QUOTE]Thanks I might give Smile a try. She does look quite pretty to me. Maybe she can take a big gentle Farang too, but thanks for the tip she likes Korean. LOL Poppy does not really interest me further, but interesting that getting the wrong vibe could be a good indicator.

I knew a CH girl call Naam who preferred Korean, but I fucked her anyway. Just had to accept was not the full deal GFE.

As for 99 at Annie, look she was the worst girl I ever had there by a very long margin. All other girls tried were okay Through to excellent. Never complained about any other girl. So don't use No. 99 as a fair indicator. Probably should be fired if she is consistently bad, but maybe some guys can get off with almost any girl. I repeated No. 24 plenty of times, very sexy but is no longer there. I repeated No. 14 a few times too, but have not been in recently. No. 14 was the girl I intended to try the day I tried 99. So was incredibly bad luck with timing by just a few seconds, that I was not with No. 14. I probably would have taken another girl immediately after 99, but I think it was a bit late in the evening, too close to closing time.

1.) This is indirectly a massage parlor question. For what you term as regulars how often are you seeing them? Once a year, once a month? And then the other half of that how often are you communicating with them? Once a month? More / less often?

For myself I have previously only kept gogo girls in contact as regulars and I see them usually 3 times a year and usually exchange messages once every 2-3 weeks just with simple pleasantries, and of course way more often leading up to a trip. Always trying to improve my experiences and I am interested to know what is working for others in case I can make improvements to my process.

2.) A few posts mentioned other review sites, for the massage girls in particular. I didn't know anything else was out there other than WSG but it doesn't seem to get any thailand traffic anymore. I have heard rumors about thai sites or PRC sites for Macao saunas, but I have never been able to located any with english searches and translation. Mind sharing some of these sites? I would be interested to read the reports.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1973416]1.) This is indirectly a massage parlor question. For what you term as regulars how often are you seeing them? Once a year, once a month? And then the other half of that how often are you communicating with them? Once a month? More / less often?

For myself I have previously only kept gogo girls in contact as regulars and I see them usually 3 times a year and usually exchange messages once every 2-3 weeks just with simple pleasantries, and of course way more often leading up to a trip. Always trying to improve my experiences and I am interested to know what is working for others in case I can make improvements to my process.

2.) A few posts mentioned other review sites, for the massage girls in particular. I didn't know anything else was out there other than WSG but it doesn't seem to get any thailand traffic anymore. I have heard rumors about thai sites or PRC sites for Macao saunas, but I have never been able to located any with english searches and translation. Mind sharing some of these sites? I would be interested to read the reports.[/QUOTE]When I looked at Wsg, was a really shit forum. Nothing but one line smart ass tweets. No reports of any great detail or substance. They were very upset when I suggested the posters needed to up their game. I also tried Thai sites but found they were very indirect giving little useful information. More like posts of their cries of glee when meeting girls of choice.

Other forums did not really try. Nothing much is any good really, excepting maybe forums in your own language if not English.

As for girl contacts. I am in Thailand about 30% of the year so able to meet girls resonably regularly. It is wise to keep contacts as girls move shops a lot, but only if you know the girl quite well, not on first meeting. Don't want sick buffalo stories LOL.

I don't chat to them all the time more like when I want to see them. Sometimes they are not contactable for a period. Some disappear altogether. Usually means they quit work. If girl has bad english then messages can be misunderstood easily. Girl wrote "i come now" which really meant she had arrived already. LOL Anything complex they just wont understand. I am aided by being able to read Thai script as well.

I may do LINE video call with girl that is really close.

I see my regulars as often as their performance warrants and do new girls as a last resort usually. I tend to see my massage regulars much less now as have other alternatives. I have contact info for only one MP girl that still works.

It is not clear why you ask. Each guy does things differently. It is harder to meet bargirls that attend irregularly so contact info becomes more important. For MPs can ring the shop to check if girl is working. Although some MPs have very bad English speakers answering the phone or clueless types. Contact info is obviously more important for greelancers too.

I don't do the WeChat thing about girls in the vicinity.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1973416]1.) This is indirectly a massage parlor question. For what you term as regulars how often are you seeing them? Once a year, once a month? And then the other half of that how often are you communicating with them? Once a month? More / less often?

For myself I have previously only kept gogo girls in contact as regulars and I see them usually 3 times a year and usually exchange messages once every 2-3 weeks just with simple pleasantries, and of course way more often leading up to a trip. Always trying to improve my experiences and I am interested to know what is working for others in case I can make improvements to my process.[/QUOTE]At the present time I have 3 active regulars in BKK, 2 active regulars in MNL, and 1 active regular in Jakarta. It varies how often I see them, but I usually like to see each one on average every 5 days or so for the duration of one of my visits which these days is averaging 4 or 5 weeks (28 to 35 days) in BKK, 2 weeks in MNL and 2 weeks in Jakarta. The exception was on my last visit to Manila where I spent almost every night, but one, with my two girls. What can I say? I am in love. 555.

Anyway they are all bar girls more or less and I believe that their field of endeavor is a contributing factor as to why we are able to maintain ongoing, intra trip, relationships with each other. I have not had the same degree of success with massage girls. Usually what happens with massage girls is that the communication link dies before I have a chance to see them again. I speculate that their work schedule and possibly how they view themselves and their customers is the reason. In any case I have not had very many intra trip ongoing relationships with massage girls. I still chat with an Indonesian girl I met in Macau at FN a few years back. She likes to keep me informed of her globetrotting ways, So far her favorite places were Paris and Berlin. But sadly I have lost track of many really wonderful Macau and BKK beauties. There is, however, one BKK massage girl (possibly BKK regular #4) whom I am still in communication with from my last trip. I will not mention her name here, but Syzygies knows her. LOL. I met this girl and did her 3 times on my last visit. The 3rd time I took her on an out call and that session most resembled one of my typical Go Go girl sessions, albeit briefer and with no Tequila, but it kind of resembled a date, kind of. She is not really as cute, young or sexy as my Go Go girls, but she has a certain way about her in bed that makes me feel real good, so I am sure I will see her again when I return to BKK. Oh Buddha, I have to lug another present halfway around the world.

I communicate with my regulars once or twice a week. Line with BKK and Jakarta. Viber with Manila. We usually chat around 7am my time as I am having coffee in the morning and they are heading to work or around 6 pm my time when they are home from work and getting ready for sleep. The conversations roughly cover the same riff, but with various improvs depending on what's happening and how they feel. My Pinays obviously communicate best, but the Jakarta girl is pretty good with English too. Sadly my BKK girls lag behind their foreign sisters with their English skills. But its all good. These girls are the creme de la creme of my previous trips. My favorite girls. I miss them and it is nice to stay in touch and to plan our next liaisons.

I should add that over the years there is an attrition rate with my regular girls. They tend to leave the business, or leave town, find a BF or sponsor, loose their phones, or who knows what, so girls do fall by the wayside and I never hear from them again, but then once in awhile a lost girl comes back from the missing or I bump into her again by chance. So in addition to the pleasure of doing new girls, it is important to keep my list of special girls up to date and if possible to continue to make improvements going forward.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1973449]At the present time I have 3 active regulars in BKK, 2 active regulars in MNL, and 1 active regular in Jakarta. It varies how often I see them, but I usually like to see each one on average every 5 days or so for the duration of one of my visits which these days is averaging 4 or 5 weeks (28 to 35 days) in BKK, 2 weeks in MNL and 2 weeks in Jakarta. The exception was on my last visit to Manila where I spent almost every night, but one, with my two girls. What can I say? I am in love. 555.
[/QUOTE]Yes most of my contacts are bar girls or girls that quit full time hooking. Most of mine are concentrated to Thailand. Therefore have more contacts. About 10 girls that are fucked sometimes, but only two or 3 of the 10 are really regular. I do a regular girl when I am available (not with GF or OS) maybe 4 to 5 days or nights of a week at present. Not unusual to spend several days in a row with same girl. She is just that good that other girls will not beat the experience with her. Best I had for years. I know other guys need a lot more variety. How many flavours of heaven are there? LOL For me the variety occurs more by who is available when.

A couple of my bar girl contacts have gone off the grid permanently and a couple more temporarily. So it is wise to have plenty on the list. There are plenty of girls that I know but have not gone the extra step to get a contact. That means it is just not that important to be able to contact them again.

Natty and I will not be typical because we are more bargirl keen than most punters. Others are looking for cheap or value for money, where we are more looks and fun conscious.

I was going to comment on BBFS with regulars, but decided against it fearing another debate getting started.

Almost all of my regulars like to get their rocks off as well as get paid, once or twice and occasionally more than 2. Most common ways they can cum are DATY, Cowgirl, Doggy/prone, and mish is much more rarely giving a cum. Oom (91) from CH is not very sensitive so it is quite difficult to get her there (cums only sometimes - usually from very determined DATY), and she probably needs it stronger than I give, but she is still enthusiastic fuck, and others are so sensitive that they are not much challenge at all. Few girls really don't want to enjoy at all, and they are usually not going to be regulars for me. As I would sense the disinterest and therefore be less excited myself.

"Thai working girls never enjoy their work - It's just work" is one of the biggest myths going around. LOL Maybe a hardened PSE girl fucking 10 guys a day is not going to cum much, but bargirls get much less customers, and all girls are permitted to be horny sometimes. Many Thai girls are so sensitive that they cannot easily avoid being stimulated by DATY, just like we can't ignore the feeling of a great blow job. Some girls cum when they initially had no intention to. Just accidentally got stimulated. My GF cannot go DATY for more than 3 minutes without exploding, she is just that sensitive. Poor old me usually takes over 30 minutes to pop.

Nonnyy having a Korean BF what's wrong with these Korean? To this poster are you serious what about the western guys who have been doing this for years such as the sponsor of Nadia cherry boss who dates Africans while her white mushy sponsor provides cash, as I have previously posted before superstar lady's like dao of tulip prefer Asians maybe this Korean dude will get Nonnys 3 holes daily since I'm in Nakhon phanom province now I wouldn't mind trying that also LOL, about 5 weeks ago when I was in Bangkok I checked out the PSE shops and especially tulip was really poor quality in the line up so me and a huge 195 cm Swedish guy I had met online for double teaming hookers took a small cute African lady we met on Soi 4 I don't usually bother with Africans not my preference but she was short and looked tight luckily my skill for judging proved correct again as she turned out to have a nice tight long tube shaped pussy just how I like them. She was rather boring tho and didn't like me to spit on her pussy to get her wet and I almost did not get hard due to the attitude but once I started fucking her she said she liked my long cock and then the Swedish guy who was 195 cm tall was not to her liking with his around 6 inch cock which she commented was small. Unfortunately then the mood was spoiled. The only best part about my session after I did her deep was she sprayed out sperm 3 times and that was a first for me, my Thai GF has came twenty times plus before but she just gushes out this African lady actually sprayed all over me.

So for any members into that type of thing around the family mart at Soi 4 look out for a petite African with braids.

Following on from my last report the next night I headed out again with the Swedish dude, again Tulip lineup was awful quality maybe it was to late I'd appreciate any info on who the decent body's and 3 hole performers are? And also they did not seem willing to do a 3 sum with us so we headed to mango where I saw quite a few doable ones with better body's but the reception said they did not do MMF so this was again another let down in BKK these days, last port of call was Bongkot the reception was helpful and asked which lady's did MMF, a few were willing but my buddy had lost interest I think all the walking had drained his stamina. So I went and got a big bottle of as ahi drank it and went back to Bongkot alone I selected a tall and big chocolate skinned lady since this was a few weeks back unfortunately I have forgotten her name which is something I hate to do as I like to read reports with the lady's names being given but anyone who has tried her will know who it is.

Her name was something with an and I think and she was fairly tall I was expecting her to be chubby which is fine, back years ago in tulip I had chubby lady like Cee who were cute and I spent an enjoyable hour switching between her ass and pussy but this Bongkot lady had a really massive flabby gut they shouldn't be letting lady's like that work, I should of called of the session but did not want to hurt her feelings so I proceeded and things got worse her pussy was rather loose and the stomach hanging on it was off putting so I changed to her ass and she seemed to have trouble taking my 9 inches of Italian meat all the way and after 5 minutes of opening her up deeper I started to smell a bad smell and my cock began turning brown.

Let's just say I headed to the shower quickly and it was a wasted session.

It's like I think Goatscrot said with the prices now a bad session matters more than it used to, although I'm older than when I was a youngster visiting tulip and so might be more picky I remember being surprised in tulip for somewhere offering so much the lady's looked good as I was expecting really ugly ones. A stomach hanging down over a lady's pussy to me is just getting to the level of where I don't need a Session like that even if it was free.

When I have my next trip to BKK I'm going to need advice from regulars to the PSE shops of who can take a good 3 hole pounding and has a tight body.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1973472]

Natty and I will not be typical because we are more bargirl keen than most punters. Others are looking for cheap or value for money, where we are more looks and fun conscious.
[/QUOTE]What a load of rubbish! What makes you think you know what other people are looking for? You sound like you think you're superior because you pick up bar girls. They're hardly the creme de la creme of the Thai sex industry.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1973274]26 but that's really kind of subjective. I think she is a viable choice to try out at the minimum. My heart was literally racing when I saw her the first time but I just don't repeat because nothing special for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1973271]2 days ago I read a report on other board about Sandy and Addict Massage, the guy wrote Sandy is A+, he got 2 HR masssage (room with bathroom) for 2600 baht, he tipped the girl 200 baht.[/QUOTE]She's definitely on my 'to do' list then. I'll try and get to Addict near opening time and see if she's available. I don't like the idea of booking a girl without seeing her but I'll do it if she's impossible to get otherwise. I will of course post a report of the experience. The only problem is the last time I went to see a '26 year old' was Prae from Mango and she's definitely much older. I hope Sandy is younger looking than her.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1973416]1.)
2.) A few posts mentioned other review sites, for the massage girls in particular. I didn't know anything else was out there other than WSG but it doesn't seem to get any thailand traffic anymore. I have heard rumors about thai sites or PRC sites for Macao saunas, but I have never been able to located any with english searches and translation. Mind sharing some of these sites? I would be interested to read the reports.[/QUOTE]I think the mods wouldn't be happy with a discussion of other forums on this forum, understandably as it's quite rude in a way. I wouldn't worry though as this is the best one. Most of the other forums are just money-making schemes that rehash stuff that was debated here weeks, months or years earlier. I'm surprised Sandy wasn't mentioned here as being A+ though. Is that because she'd didn't offer it to anyone or is everyone too coy to reveal it?

Hi guys,

In March / April, there was this post and some foolow-ups about a Sauna (Silom Sauna?) on Soi22.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES[/URL]!&p=1858802&viewfull=1#post1858802.

I wonder if anyone has been there since and would report.

Thanks in advance.

DS.

[QUOTE=DaddySan;1973726]
In March / April, there was this post and some foolow-ups about a Sauna (Silom Sauna?) on Soi22.

I wonder if anyone has been there since and would report.
[/QUOTE]There are two branches of Silom Sauna, one deep down Soi 22, one near the eastern end of Soi Si Bamphen.

It's a decent low-end sauna, 200 baht for entry. It has a normal sauna, a steam room, hot / freezing dipping pools, normal swimming pool (too shallow), plus a few gym machines. They provide a free locker, towels and swimming trunks. Not gay (always a concern with saunas), although all clients are male. Mixed bunch, a few Thais, some Koreans, some Indians, some Russians, an occasional Westerner too.

There are some rather old and unappealing "massage" girls on the premises (in the entrance area outside of the sauna itself, unfortunately), and they offer sexual services for 1000 baht or so, but Silom Sauna is not really a sex destination. It's a place for relaxation, bit low-end and run-down, but pleasant enough and good value. Haven't tried the on-site providers, just used it to relax after a Bongkot or Snow White session.

[QUOTE=*****man;1973606]What a load of rubbish! What makes you think you know what other people are looking for? You sound like you think you're superior because you pick up bar girls. They're hardly the creme de la creme of the Thai sex industry.[/QUOTE]Actually what you just wrote is the rubbish.

It is not rubbish to point out that that me and some other guys like to take bargirls frequently and many guys clearly write here that they don't like bars and bargirls. I point out my personal biases. It is not trying to be superior. It is just my major mode of operation is not the same as others. It is also well known here that Natty Bumpo likes bar girls and posts about them frequently. Natty and I even like some of the same girls so have a similar taste.

Clearly yourself and many others look for particular services like A+ and I don't. I put looks before service. Others put service before looks. Just personal biases. I do not try to say what other people should be looking for, unless what they want from Bangkok is very unrealistic. It's up to there own preference.

[QUOTE=*****man;1973606]What a load of rubbish! What makes you think you know what other people are looking for? You sound like you think you're superior because you pick up bar girls. They're hardly the creme de la creme of the Thai sex industry.[/QUOTE]Actually what you just wrote is the rubbish.

It is not rubbish to point out that that me and some other guys like to take bargirls frequently and many guys clearly write here that they don't like bars and bargirls. I point out my personal biases. It is not trying to be superior. It is just my major mode of operation is not the same as others. It is also well known here that Natty Bumpo likes bar girls, (and MP girls, and discos and probably everything), and posts about them frequently. Natty and I even like some of the same girls so have a similar taste at times. I knew some of his favourite girls at certain bars and MPs that I also tried out.

Clearly yourself and many others look for particular services like A+ and I don't. I put looks before service. Others put service before looks. Just personal biases. I do not try to say what other people should be looking for, unless what they want from Bangkok is very unrealistic. It's up to there own preference.

I don't see that many posters here, game to write about how much they prefer bargirls over MP girls, most of the time. I am not too shy to say so, because I don't need PSE girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1973880]Actually what you just wrote is the rubbish.

It is not rubbish to point out that that me and some other guys like to take bargirls frequently and many guys clearly write here that they don't like bars and bargirls. I point out my personal biases. It is not trying to be superior. It is just my major mode of operation is not the same as others. It is also well known here that Natty Bumpo likes bar girls, (and MP girls, and discos and probably everything), and posts about them frequently. Natty and I even like some of the same girls so have a similar taste at times. I knew some of his favourite girls at certain bars and MPs that I also tried out.

Clearly yourself and many others look for particular services like A+ and I don't. I put looks before service. Others put service before looks. Just personal biases. I do not try to say what other people should be looking for, unless what they want from Bangkok is very unrealistic. It's up to there own preference.

I don't see that many posters here, game to write about how much they prefer bargirls over MP girls, most of the time. I am not too shy to say so, because I don't need PSE girls.[/QUOTE]You post yet more drivel. Your original post stated 'Others are looking for cheap' clearly implying you're some kind of a high roller and people who prefer MPs are cheapskates, which is nonsense.

This is a thread specifically about massage parlors so the fact that you prefer bargirls is of absolutely no relevance.

[QUOTE=*****man;1973606]? You sound like you think you're superior because you pick up bar girls. [/QUOTE]No, I am inferior, because I waste more money on bargirls, for drinks and BF, and ST Hotel. Others are getting it much more economically and possibly better value for money. I have cut back a lot on bargirls and only took two in the last 3 weeks. I took a freelancer who was a lot cheaper several times, but had to compromise on the face not being so pretty as I would prefer.

There is no skill attached to BFing a bargirl. Selecting one that will be really good is the only challenge, as always, unless a shop somehow guarantees every girl to be superb.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1966496]Here is a Field Report on a girl I did yesterday afternoon.

I just popped in to check if there were any new girls, and there she was smiling in full glory. Those looks in her eyes didn't spare me. What sealed the deal was "You can do whatever you want with me kha".

She made it clear that she was up for Anal as well.

Once inside the room, my dick was in her mouth in less than 3 minutes in the shower. She continued in bed, and what lovely BBBJ (reminded me of a girl named Angie from Cherry massage, who used to suck like a a vaccuum cleaner).

Sloppy and thorough licking of the pole, the balls and nice rimming after a long time. She was horny, I could feel her wet, noticed when I fingered her. No lube needed absolutely. Her shapely ass was available and dangling. She is a big tease and knows how to get your manhood's attention. Her lusty eyes made me go even more and I bust my nuts after going good for full 15 minutes in various positions.

In 2 hours we fucked 3 times (I had fucked 3 times in along long time). She was tight in the Pu# department And Yes I did the ass too.

WIR. Hell Yes.

Body type. Not very thin, neither fat. - Slight baby damage.

Skin Type. Isaan Brownie (with makeup of course she looks fair).[/QUOTE]Well, I would not describe Guitar's baby damage as "slight. " Quite the contrary. On a scale of 1-10 with one being not noticeable and 10 being a M-1 tank ran over her belly and imprinted a map of Europe; I would rate her's as an 8. 5. Not the worst I have seen but close and for sure a deal killer for me. I was shocked when she disrobed after reading the above comment. June former SW and Bongkot had slight damage. What do I consider slight? A small sag in the breast and a belly that is not so tight with maybe a stretch mark or two.

Taken upon the recommendations from this board I found her to be enthusiastic but her skill set to be average. For me not even in the same postal code as Golf or Opor at Tulip who currrently are the gold standard when it comes to performance for me.

[QUOTE==*****man;1973606]What makes you think you know what other people are looking for? You sound like you think you're superior because you pick up bar girls. They're hardly the creme de la creme of the Thai sex industry.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE==*****man;1973901]Your original post stated 'Others are looking for cheap' clearly implying you're some kind of a high roller and people who prefer MPs are cheapskates, which is nonsense.

This is a thread specifically about massage parlors so the fact that you prefer bargirls is of absolutely no relevance.[/QUOTE]*man, I guess I started this little fracas with my use of the term "Creme de la creme". All I meant by it was that I tend to repeat with the 4 or 5 girls I like best out of the 25 to 35 new girls I sample during one of my 9 to 10 week swings through SE Asia, so they are my defacto creme de la creme girls. I do like some massage girls and Macau Sauna girls a lot, but the internet connection with massage girls seems more tenuous than with bar girls for various reasons so I seldom have the opportunity to see them again (the massage & sauna girls) on follow up trips even though I might really want to.

On the supply side; gems, of course, can be found everywhere including Go Go's, bars, massage parlors, G-clubs, nightclubs, discos, malls, and on the street. On the demand side; everyone's tastes and preferences are different as are everyone's spending habits, budgetary constraints, length of time in country, and Thai language limitations. It all comes down to this: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

For example, I once did this Annies girl, Annies not being one of my favorite shops, and the girl was not really my spec either although she was the best looking girl in the fishbowl at the time. She was, however, very sweet and she provided passionate, pleasing, and well above average service to me in the loom. But she was not my particular type physically or facially so she was a one timer as far as I was concerned. To my point; a few months later I received a PM from a friend, a respected fellow huntsman and board member and a really nice guy, who raved about the same girl, loved her look including her new silicones that thankfully I did not have the pleasure of, 555. In fact, he was so taken with this girl that he ended his Asian trip with a 3 night stand with her. He later posted pictures of her in his trip report and said she was one of his favorite girls of his entire 45 day trip. So clearly, this girl was a creme de la creme girl for him and I can understand why; they clicked. She was very passionate and loving towards him in bed, she really enjoyed sex, and to him, she looked really, really good. End of story. He was happy so I was happy he was happy. Still, I smile in amazement, because this girl, as nice as she is, was definitely not my type.

So where can we find the "REAL" creme de la creme of BKK girls. Sadly, I do not believe they are available to farang punters like ourselves cruising up and down Sukhumvit. I am talking about the thousands of would be aspiring young Thai TV & movie actresses as well as the wannabe legitimate advertising models. These girls are out there alright in large numbers and I am sure they are making themselves available to affluent Thai businessmen and otherwise well connected westerners. I would love to find the key to this city of hot Thai demi-monde girls. I imagine these girls do not come cheap as in if you have to ask how much a girl like this will cost, you can't afford her. Oh, well. That's life. I will keep looking.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1974091]*man, I guess I started this little fracas with my use of the term "Creme de la creme". All I meant by it was that I tend to repeat with the 4 or 5 girls I like best out of the 25 to 35 new girls I sample during one of my 9 to 10 week swings through SE Asia, so they are my defacto creme de la creme girls. I do like some massage girls and Macau Sauna girls a lot, but the internet connection with massage girls seems more tenuous than with bar girls for various reasons so I seldom have the opportunity to see them again (the massage & sauna girls) on follow up trips even though I might really want to.

On the supply side; gems, of course, can be found everywhere including Go Go's, bars, massage parlors, G-clubs, nightclubs, discos, malls, and on the street. On the demand side; everyone's tastes and preferences are different as are everyone's spending habits, budgetary constraints, length of time in country, and Thai language limitations. It all comes down to this: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, I once did this Annies girl, Annies is not my favorite shop, and the girl was not really my spec although she was the best looking girl in the fishbowl at the time. She was, however, very sweet and she provided passionate, pleasing, and well above average service to me in the loom. But she was not my particular type physically or facially so she was a one timer as far as I was concerned. To my point; a few months later I received a PM from a friend, a respected fellow huntsman and board member and a really nice guy, who raved about the same girl, loved her look including her new silicones that thankfully I did not have the pleasure of, 555. In fact, he was so taken with this girl that he ended his Asian trip with a 3 night stand with her. He later posted pictures of her in his trip report and said she was one of his favorite girls of his entire 45 day trip. So clearly, this girl was a creme de la creme girl for him and I can understand why; they clicked. She was very passionate and loving towards him in bed, she really enjoyed sex, and to him, she looked really, really good. End of story. He was happy so I was happy he was happy. Still, I smile in amazement, because this girl, as nice as she is, was definitely not my type.

So where can we find the "REAL" creme de la creme of BKK girls. Sadly, I do not believe they are available to farang punters like ourselves cruising up and down Sukhumvit. I am talking about the thousands of would be aspiring young Thai TV & movie actresses as well as the wannabe legitimate advertising models. These girls are out there alright in large numbers and I am sure they are making themselves available to affluent Thai businessmen and otherwise well connected westerners. I would love to find the key to this city of hot Thai demi-monde girls. I imagine these girls do not come cheap as in if you have to ask how much a girl like this will cost, you can't afford her. Oh, well. That's life. I will keep looking.[/QUOTE]Creme de la creme? Well, as farang we really don't have access. Some of the Thai forum sites have some great gals, and many of the creme de la creme are going overseas to work where they can make more money. Sad for us; but who can blame them. In HK and Jakarta we are fishing in the same pond as the locals. In Thailand; not so much and that works to our disadvantage.

Goatscrot,

I would agree with you on June having minimal baby damage stomach wise but I found her tits to saggy to my liking and preferred Yoks service despite her stomach being not so good, so guitar wild defiantly be off my list then.

I'm thinking of a Bangkok trip again soon and don't want more wasted experiences I need a decent be oDy provider who can go all out with 3 holes eagerly.

I think the future is looking bleak regards the PSE talent I'm in Nakhon phanom the province where most of the great PSE providers where coming from and as with a lot of places in Thailand now it seems half of the kids are obese consuming massive amounts of milk and sweet foods. This would be good if some busty girls came through to the shops but it ain't going to happen quality will likely continue going down and prices will probably go up if as someone said mango is doing a anal surcharge now this does t bode well as on my last visit I thought mango quality was better than tulip and Bongkot but none of the lady's volunteered for a MMF 3 Sum.

[QUOTE=*****man;1973901]You post yet more drivel. Your original post stated 'Others are looking for cheap' clearly implying you're some kind of a high roller and people who prefer MPs are cheapskates, which is nonsense.
[/QUOTE]There is no implication of that whatsoever. You seem to be having an emotional reaction to posts and reading in things that are just not there.

I have to worry about budget too. Not every guy is on the same budget. If I take expensive girls it limits how often I can do it. I am not retired but am still cutting back drastically on number of fucks per week.

Other guys want to use their spending money for things other than sex.

Others may like a cheaper girls in order to get more fucks per period of time.

I appreciate saving money by taking bargirls infrequently now.

I will certainly take MP girls when I find the pretty ones, which is not so many.

Today had my special girl overnight and got a pop before breakfast. I haven't got money to go get another fuck today. In fact I may not get sex again until the new year for travel and budget reasons.

It is written so many times on the forum that there is no way guys will pay over x for a girl. If I say some prefer a cheap girl, I am referring to all those who set a low ceiling price. There is no feeling attached to this statement. I just accept that other guys do things differently to me. Very pretty faced girls with tight slim bodies is not everyone's prefence. No need to over react to simple statements of things well known.

[QUOTE=LoveHole69;1974174]Goatscrot,

I would agree with you on June having minimal baby damage stomach wise but I found her tits to saggy to my liking and preferred Yoks service despite her stomach being not so good, so guitar wild defiantly be off my list then.

I'm thinking of a Bangkok trip again soon and don't want more wasted experiences I need a decent be oDy provider who can go all out with 3 holes eagerly.

I think the future is looking bleak regards the PSE talent I'm in Nakhon phanom the province where most of the great PSE providers where coming from and as with a lot of places in Thailand now it seems half of the kids are obese consuming massive amounts of milk and sweet foods. This would be good if some busty girls came through to the shops but it ain't going to happen quality will likely continue going down and prices will probably go up if as someone said mango is doing a anal surcharge now this does t bode well as on my last visit I thought mango quality was better than tulip and Bongkot but none of the lady's volunteered for a MMF 3 Sum.[/QUOTE]Agree with you wholeheartedly on the future of PSE in BKK. It's quite bleak. In fact, I think the entire Farang P4 P scene is in rapid decline. Plenty for the local boys though. I really think places where we fish in the same pond as the locals will be the only options soon enough.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1974339]In fact, I think the entire Farang P4 P scene is in rapid decline. Plenty for the local boys though. I really think places where we fish in the same pond as the locals will be the only options soon enough.[/QUOTE]Definitely agree with you that Farang P4 P scene is irreversible and obvious decline, though perhaps not so rapid, it has been declining for the last 5-10 years or so. Do you care to elaborate why you think the local scene is good, and what particular venues?

From what I've seen, sex scene for Thai guys has also been in rapid decline. Definitely on the low end: streetwalkers (Khlong Lot and Wong Wiang 22), short-time-hotels (Hua Chiew and another that escapes me), brothels (Mahachai), karaokes (Inthamara etc) are all shadows of their former self. Midrange (Nataree, other soapies) is not exactly booming either. No idea about G-clubs, not my scene. In fact, my uninformed guess would be that the local scene might be contracting faster than the Farang one, though it was bigger to begin with, and still is.

Is there anything I'm missing?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1974383]Definitely agree with you that Farang P4 P scene is irreversible and obvious decline, though perhaps not so rapid, it has been declining for the last 5-10 years or so. Do you care to elaborate why you think the local scene is good, and what particular venues?

From what I've seen, sex scene for Thai guys has also been in rapid decline. Definitely on the low end: streetwalkers (Khlong Lot and Wong Wiang 22), short-time-hotels (Hua Chiew and another that escapes me), brothels (Mahachai), karaokes (Inthamara etc) are all shadows of their former self. Midrange (Nataree, other soapies) is not exactly booming either. No idea about G-clubs, not my scene. In fact, my uninformed guess would be that the local scene might be contracting faster than the Farang one, though it was bigger to begin with, and still is.

Is there anything I'm missing?[/QUOTE]Actually I think the talent is plentiful on some of the That forum sites. One of our illustrious members posted some links a couple of months back. Some great looking gals (far better looking than what you would see in a GoGo or oily), located all over the city, and not that pricey. It seems the majority of the "scenes" in many locals around our planet are going online. Of course to be able to play one really needs to know the local lingo, and I can speak, but can't read Thai. The G clubs still seem to be hopping. Full of wealthy Thai dudes willing to spend big money. I do think things are becoming more discreet overall.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1974104]Creme de la creme? Well, as farang we really don't have access. Some of the Thai forum sites have some great gals, and many of the creme de la creme are going overseas to work where they can make more money. Sad for us; but who can blame them. In HK and Jakarta we are fishing in the same pond as the locals. In Thailand; not so much and that works to our disadvantage.[/QUOTE]I would think with enough money, one can get these expensive girls. I had the opportunity to sample some of these years ago, but chose not to. I was not sure they were worth the money.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1974491]Actually I think the talent is plentiful on some of the That forum sites. One of our illustrious members posted some links a couple of months back. Some great looking gals (far better looking than what you would see in a GoGo or oily), located all over the city, and not that pricey. It seems the majority of the "scenes" in many locals around our planet are going online. Of course to be able to play one really needs to know the local lingo, and I can speak, but can't read Thai. The G clubs still seem to be hopping. Full of wealthy Thai dudes willing to spend big money. I do think things are becoming more discreet overall.[/QUOTE]I've looked at some of those forums, though I've never partaken. Forums and online adverts can be misleading, it's often 20-50 girls being posted all over the place, again and again. You get the impression of a massive scene, whereas in fact it's no larger than 2-3 bars worth of girls. Unless there's a site like the huge searchable 141 databases for Hong Kong (with 1000+ girls), it's hard to gauge the size of the local online scene.

Sadly, you're right that many scenes are moving online. Unfortunately, the online prostitution does not benefit the monger (except in places where there'd be zero otherwise, like the USA). With very few exceptions, online scenes are fragmented, full of cheats / misrepresentation, and favor the seller. They don't give us the ability to browse and the actual goods in person, the immediate availability, the all-important option to talk for a bit and evaluate the girl in person before committing to the transaction, ability to properly negotiate the price / services.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1974497]I would think with enough money, one can get these expensive girls. I had the opportunity to sample some of these years ago, but chose not to. I was not sure they were worth the money.[/QUOTE]Personally I have had very few Thai gals whose skills and looks rated highly. For me personally the appeal of Thailand's P4 P scene was that it was cheap, easy, and plentiful. Even on my first trip I was kind of disappointed to find simple farmer's daughters as opposed to sexually charged and highly skilled P4 P workers, but hey for 12.50 - 25 USD it did not matter. Now that it is significantly more than that the VFM is just not there. There are guys paying 3k ST plus 1 K BF and thinking they got a good deal. Huh? No way. Same gals, same performance for 100 plus USD? For that money I expect a lot more than a gal whose only attraction is a decent body and some enthusiasm. And sometimes you don't even get that.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1974604]I've looked at some of those forums, though I've never partaken. Forums and online adverts can be misleading, it's often 20-50 girls being posted all over the place, again and again. You get the impression of a massive scene, whereas in fact it's no larger than 2-3 bars worth of girls. Unless there's a site like the huge searchable 141 databases for Hong Kong (with 1000+ girls), it's hard to gauge the size of the local online scene.

Sadly, you're right that many scenes are moving online. Unfortunately, the online prostitution does not benefit the monger (except in places where there'd be zero otherwise, like the USA). With very few exceptions, online scenes are fragmented, full of cheats / misrepresentation, and favor the seller. They don't give us the ability to browse and the actual goods in person, the immediate availability, the all-important option to talk for a bit and evaluate the girl in person before committing to the transaction, ability to properly negotiate the price / services.[/QUOTE]Agreed 100%. Online does not benefit the monger unless it is like 141. Great thing about dudes in HK is they really rip the place or the gal online if they don't get good service. Friend tells me of seeing local guys screaming at the mamasan because the gal did not perform. Also I don't think you would encounter gals with such bad baby drag as we tend to see here. Could the online and regular scene improve here? Only if the punters stop with the constant empathy and demand performance and complain if they don't get it and write bad reviews. I have ended quite a few sessions with FLs right after they have started when the gal does not deliver. No issue getting up, getting dressed, and leaving the gal 100 Baht. And no, there have never been repercussions. I'm nice about it and tell her it is not working for me and I don't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with. Methinks the typical punter that comes to Thailand will not do that. I have no problem doing it. A friend said it so well years ago, "guys don't come to Thailand to doink working gals, they come to Thailand to date working gals. " Sadly that is kind of the undoing of the scene.

Sandy at Addict definitely needs to be booked in advance. As she was busy I attempted to leave but was mobbed by the girls, particularly one claiming to offer the same service as Sandy. She drew my attention to her cleavage which she said was natural and started rubbing my crotch, all the while repeating over and over that she offered the same service as Sandy. I should have asked if 'same service' was A+. For sure there's more than one girl there who's up for it.

[QUOTE=*****man;1974710]Sandy at Addict definitely needs to be booked in advance. As she was busy I attempted to leave but was mobbed by the girls, particularly one claiming to offer the same service as Sandy. She drew my attention to her cleavage which she said was natural and started rubbing my crotch, all the while repeating over and over that she offered the same service as Sandy. I should have asked if 'same service' was A+. For sure there's more than one girl there who's up for it.[/QUOTE]Yeah I was trying to say, she really needs to be booked. I've never seen her in the lineup before when I went. I only got her when I booked. Speaking of which (providers who are popular and often need to be booked).

Pink at Honeybee (on soi 22) is worth checking out. She has gotten better and is their best looking girl. When she was newer, her service / skills were a little too fresh (eg: lacking, inexperienced). Pros: Young (21? Obviously no baby damage, really nice athletic / firm body, really great hip to breast to waist ratio and very round butt. Just look at her pics on their website, it's pretty obvious if you like her looks or not. And her tits are natural, everything is natural. She has a myanmar, big booty build if that makes any sense, but mixed with Issan features (short, tan).

The foreplay is good and worth it (being the tantric massage). These places don't do much in the way of any PSE at all though and many / most here seem to be on the hunt for that. And most of the girls there don't even kiss. And some do CBJ, most don't for me, probably being that I repeat there. YMMV.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1974744]

Pink at Honeybee (on soi 22) is worth checking out. She has gotten better and is their best looking girl. When she was newer, her service / skills were a little too fresh (eg: lacking, inexperienced). Pros: Young (21? Obviously no baby damage, really nice athletic / firm body, really great hip to breast to waist ratio and very round butt. Just look at her pics on their website, it's pretty obvious if you like her looks or not. And her tits are natural, everything is natural. She has a myanmar, big booty build if that makes any sense, but mixed with Issan features (short, tan).
[/QUOTE]Thanks for that, and worth knowing this type of intel. It is hard to tell which girls are stand out looking at a web site since photo shopping varies from minor to extreme, where some look like plastic dolls rather than human.

I am finding a lot of massage shops are having at most 1 or 2 really pretty girls, if you are lucky that there are actually any pretty girls in attendance, and then there are lots of ordinary looking types.

It is good to be able to see the best girl if possible, and then decide if shop is worth visiting in the future. I went to New Massage and found just one pretty girl, also called Pink. Good for similar reasons. Cute face good sized natural tits, no baby. Other girls did not quite work for me in looks, for one reason or another. Again no pornstar by any mean, but a fun time was possible, except when her pussy was out of action recently due to a bad pounding.

It's great to have someone posting about finding good looking MP girls, since that is exactly what I look for too.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1974744]Yeah I was trying to say, she really needs to be booked. I've never seen her in the lineup before when I went. I only got her when I booked. Speaking of which (providers who are popular and often need to be booked).

Pink at Honeybee (on soi 22) is worth checking out. She has gotten better and is their best looking girl. When she was newer, her service / skills were a little too fresh (eg: lacking, inexperienced). Pros: Young (21? Obviously no baby damage, really nice athletic / firm body, really great hip to breast to waist ratio and very round butt. Just look at her pics on their website, it's pretty obvious if you like her looks or not. And her tits are natural, everything is natural. She has a myanmar, big booty build if that makes any sense, but mixed with Issan features (short, tan).

The foreplay is good and worth it (being the tantric massage). These places don't do much in the way of any PSE at all though and many / most here seem to be on the hunt for that. And most of the girls there don't even kiss. And some do CBJ, most don't for me, probably being that I repeat there. YMMV.[/QUOTE]That's the trouble with searching for diamonds in the rough. The diamonds are few and far between and get taken very quickly or booked up. After reading a review of Cartoon at Asok Massage by AsianRain I still haven't managed to get to her when she's not busy. I need to start booking these popular girls I think.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1974761]

It's great to have someone posting about finding good looking MP girls, since that is exactly what I look for too.[/QUOTE]I agree. The trouble is when people do post good reports they get completely ignored and drowned out by the irrelevant discussions that dominate this thread. Take AsianRain's report on Cartoon, for example. I don't think anyone replied but irrelevant posts about things like bar girls and people's individual dislike of nose / boob jobs generate dozens of replies. The good reports are there, you just have to wade through a lot of irrelevance to find them.

Yep I have learned booking is the best way to go about it. Sandy at addict told me she only starts work early and leaves after she makes enough money. So I think she only does booking probably, and after enough guys call in she just goes home early. And the pink girl, I remember booking her once, right at the time she starts work, and she waited for me. As soon as I walked into the door, a punter was trying to pick her so I obviously wouldn't have even seen her if I had just walked in without booking. She actually called me like 5 minutes before just to still confirm I was on my way since she probably had a punter already picking her as soon as she started. This isn't the first time this has happened where I make a booking with the "hot one" an see a guy / guys show up right ready to pick her as soon as she walks in the door off the motorsai.

In short, I recall so many times leaving empty handed when I didn't prebook. The only times I don't pre-book are when I just don't feel like it for some reason. Speaking of which, I found is cute masseuse (no baby damage again) working at JW massage on soi 22 (close to sukh / holiday inn). Not going to give out the name as this is a semi-legit place (which means there is always at least a hand job and probably FS if you bring a condom). But if you are walking by JW massage and see a somewhat hot girl (good legs, looks great in jeans, however face / teeth is probably a 5/10 but body 7/10), go for it. She is really attractive with close off, and the worst you'll pay is 450 baht for oil massage and 500 baht for HJ.

Snow White has two mamasans. One of them is younger and comes across as more professional. She knows my requirements and is very easy to do business with. The other is older and not particularly helpful. The only things she really knows how to do is wave the laminated price card and take you to the line-up. She asks how many hours you want before you've even chosen a girl. Anyone know which one is the owner and who the other one is?

I had a mediocre experience there for the first time. I tried to discuss my needs with the older mamasan but she just took me to the line-up but then starts talking on her mobile phone so we all have to wait around awkwardly for her to finish her conversation. There were only 5 girls, including E-Q but she starts talking on her phone. It's totally unacceptable to bring a customer to a line-up he didn't even ask for or want and then fuck around on your mobile phones. I should have just walked out but recall hearing E-Q can deepthroat and her face looked OK so I thought I'd give her a whirl. To be fair, the mamasan warned me that she had a baby and so did E-Q so I can't complain about the baby damage. As for the service, it was all right but she struggles to follow simple instructions and comes across as very disinterested. I wouldn't call her technique deepthroat. She banged my knob against the back of her throat but to me deepthroating means taking it all the way in pornstar-style and she didn't do that. She's A+ but baby-damaged in that department too. When it was over she annoyed me by pulling up the corners of her mouth and telling me to 'smile smile'. You just do your job woman, don't tell the customer what to do with his face.

None of that would have happened if the good mamasan had been there.

[QUOTE=*****man;1975132]She's A+ but baby-damaged in that department too.[/QUOTE]Disappointing to hear she was underwhelming -- E-Q has been on my "want to try" list. Looks to be my type, but who can tell from the website pics.

Curious what the A+ baby damage means (and what it's like on the rest of her, for that matter). Are we talking stretch marks?

My bar for baby damage was set pretty high after a Tulip experience a year ago with a lady named Boom. Pretty face, but when the top came off she revealed a midsection that had been carved open and appeared to have been sewn back up with fishing line and industrial epoxy. Purple ribbon of scar tissue practically stem to stern. On a 10 scale, her baby damage was a 17. I'm too polite to change girls, and to her credit she gave me one of the best BBBJ and A+ treatment I've had, so it wasn't a total loss. She also started rimming me before we even got in the shower (and I was just off of a 10-hour flight), so you could say she's on the nasty side.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1974744]Yeah I was trying to say, she really needs to be booked. I've never seen her in the lineup before when I went. I only got her when I booked. Speaking of which (providers who are popular and often need to be booked).

Pink at Honeybee (on soi 22) is worth checking out. She has gotten better and is their best looking girl. When she was newer, her service / skills were a little too fresh (eg: lacking, inexperienced). Pros: Young (21? Obviously no baby damage, really nice athletic / firm body, really great hip to breast to waist ratio and very round butt. Just look at her pics on their website, it's pretty obvious if you like her looks or not. And her tits are natural, everything is natural. She has a myanmar, big booty build if that makes any sense, but mixed with Issan features (short, tan).

The foreplay is good and worth it (being the tantric massage). These places don't do much in the way of any PSE at all though and many / most here seem to be on the hunt for that. And most of the girls there don't even kiss. And some do CBJ, most don't for me, probably being that I repeat there. YMMV.[/QUOTE]I agreed with what you said about Pink of Honeybee. In fact, I had a report recently about my session with her. Her B2B massage in my session was very good, that is what I wanted to add.

[QUOTE=McRib;1975150]
Are we talking stretch marks?[/QUOTE]No, far worse than just stretch marks.

But albeit her body is quite below average, her service was not: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1726800&viewfull=1#post1726800[/URL]

[QUOTE=McRib;1975150]Disappointing to hear she was underwhelming -- E-Q has been on my "want to try" list. Looks to be my type, but who can tell from the website pics.

Curious what the A+ baby damage means (and what it's like on the rest of her, for that matter). Are we talking stretch marks?

My bar for baby damage was set pretty high after a Tulip experience a year ago with a lady named Boom. Pretty face, but when the top came off she revealed a midsection that had been carved open and appeared to have been sewn back up with fishing line and industrial epoxy. Purple ribbon of scar tissue practically stem to stern. On a 10 scale, her baby damage was a 17. I'm too polite to change girls, and to her credit she gave me one of the best BBBJ and A+ treatment I've had, so it wasn't a total loss. She also started rimming me before we even got in the shower (and I was just off of a 10-hour flight), so you could say she's on the nasty side.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't think the shops should employ gals whose bodies are that ravaged by childbirth. When we go in and see the lineup we should be able to feel confident that the shop has screened out gals whose bodies are like such. If more of us would complain, make it know this is not acceptable, and not take these gals, perhaps it would change. We were talking about this very issue last night. Most Farang are too shy to complain. Asian dudes would raise the roof if offered these kind of gals. We should do the same. Last time I was in Snow White I took a gal upstairs and when she disrobed I was shocked. Told her I just could not and she offered another gal, but truth be told after seeing that I was put off my game and left. Since I always pay after no money changed hands.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1975290]Personally I don't think the shops should employ gals whose bodies are that ravaged by childbirth. When we go in and see the lineup we should be able to feel confident that the shop has screened out gals whose bodies are like such. If more of us would complain, make it know this is not acceptable, and not take these gals, perhaps it would change. We were talking about this very issue last night. Most Farang are too shy to complain. Asian dudes would raise the roof if offered these kind of gals. We should do the same. Last time I was in Snow White I took a gal upstairs and when she disrobed I was shocked. Told her I just could not and she offered another gal, but truth be told after seeing that I was put off my game and left. Since I always pay after no money changed hands.[/QUOTE]I can't argue with that at all. With the benefit of hindsight, I could (and should) have spoken up about it. If anything, the experience has made a lot of the mild damage one sees in the shops a lot more tolerable. I'm also pretty weird in that I find something oddly sexy about subtle stretch marks, so the mild cases have some appeal. Single moms need love, too, right?

[QUOTE=Wh0reman;1974770]I agree. The trouble is when people do post good reports they get completely ignored and drowned out by the irrelevant discussions that dominate this thread. Take AsianRain's report on Cartoon, for example. I don't think anyone replied but irrelevant posts about things like bar girls and people's individual dislike of nose / boob jobs generate dozens of replies. The good reports are there, you just have to wade through a lot of irrelevance to find them.[/QUOTE]Thanks to Whorman's reference to AsianRain's report on Cartoon, I decided to give a try to Asok Massage Soi 19. This area is not even on my radar screen, but it is conveniently located within walking distance of Terminal 21 for those who need an excuse: "I'm going shopping. Oops couldn't find anything to buy. " Given that AsianRain's report is generally correct, I will limit myself to the newly gleaned pieces of information.

First, I think a better website than the one originally referenced is [URL]http://asok-massage.com/.[/URL] This is the parlour's own site. The other is just a Japanese review site.

Second, I did not DATY because AsianRain hinted that it would not be well rewarded. I confirm that CBJ is what I got, so that shortcut saved me a lot of saliva. Her pussy is beautiful, though, so I can understand the temptation.

Third, I booked the bathtub room for an extra 100 Baht over the shower room. I almost bailed out when I saw it, because it's basically a small tub inside a big shower. But Cartoon insisted, so I just played along. Pre-fucking was a shower, so it's really like no bathtub at all. But then something unexpected happened: she forgot to turn off the faucet. So, as she was giving me the "regular" massage (which she actually does well, by the way), I had this strange feeling of lying next to a waterfall or a gentle river. Not a bad feeling, but all sorts of scenarios went through my mind, like she was actually deaf, or this was coming from the other room. Anyway, at some point it stopped. And then, after fucking her intensely, she took my hand and led me to a very deep bathtub completely filled with warm water. What a delight! Normally the bath is before and shower after, but this is a great twist. The bathtub was small (1 m50), so she sat in it with her back to me and I cradled her. This was the best part of the hour, I shit you not. I had my arms around her ample bosom ("gravity-defying" is the accurate phrase coined by AsianRain), and I nuzzled the nape of her neck. She was completely relaxed, young, and still relatively innocent-looking. I immediately got another boner. I NEVER get a second boner within the 60 minutes session after a normal fuck and ejaculation. What a divine moment!

Fourth, booking is your friend. I called the Mamasan at 9:50 am, she said she did not know if Cartoon would come, to call back in 10 minutes. I called back in at 10:20 because this is Thailand time and minutes do not mean the same. Cartoon herself picked up the phone and I made my booking with her. When I walked in, the Mamasan immediately assumed I was this guy, even though she had never seen me. Mamasan said many foreigners make booking with Cartoon. She is clearly puzzled. She asked if it was something on the internet. I was evasive. But just to answer Whorman, posters may not reply on the forum to AsianRain's report, but the lurkers do pay attention and act.

I can write another report on another newly discovered girl at Addict named M*, but will anybody want that? Everybody knows Addict, if you like Addict you just pick some chick from the line-up. But little out-of-the-way MPs are potentially of more informational value.

Anyway, my main point was to provide independent confirmation of AsianRain's original report. Thanks Man! And also thanks to Whorman for highlighting it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1975290]Personally I don't think the shops should employ gals whose bodies are that ravaged by childbirth. When we go in and see the lineup we should be able to feel confident that the shop has screened out gals whose bodies are like such. [/QUOTE]Completely disagree!

Your preferences are definately not mine or those of other guys. I take a mature, slutty "pornstar" with stretch marks anytime over a young and stunning starfish. For me, and maybe just for me, performance tops looks by far distance, so the girls from Tulip, Snow White, Bong Kot et al. usually work great for for.

If you need more quality of looks simply avoid these shops and go to shop that mainly caters for asians. Usually you will find better body bodies and more beautiful faces there.

Or if you want to avoid such experiences just go to a gogo bar.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1975352]Thanks to Whorman's reference to AsianRain's report on Cartoon, I decided to give a try to Asok Massage Soi 19. This area is not even on my radar screen, but it is conveniently located within walking distance of Terminal 21 for those who need an excuse: "I'm going shopping. Oops couldn't find anything to buy. " Given that AsianRain's report is generally correct, I will limit myself to the newly gleaned pieces of information.

First, I think a better website than the one originally referenced is [URL]http://asok-massage.com/.[/URL] I can write another report on another newly discovered girl at Addict named M*, but will anybody want that? Everybody knows Addict, if you like Addict you just pick some chick from the line-up. But little out-of-the-way MPs are potentially of more informational value.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for report. You have interested me enough to go look at the shop and see if anyone appeals. I would not limit myself to Cartoon. Who knows if she is my choice or not, however most shops have limited pretty girls.

Well of course it could be useful to report on Addict girl, if you include the girl's name. Sure we don't care much about Addict Massage in terms of the shop for those who have tried it, but an individual girl is much more meaningful.

Michelle, Maple, Monday, Mena, Music, or?

It's all about particular hot girls, but also whether a shop is worth a visit at all. There are so many shops. We can't visit them all.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1975379]Thanks for report. You have interested me enough to go look at the shop and see if anyone appeals. I would not limit myself to Cartoon. Who knows if she is my choice or not, however most shops have limited pretty girls.

Well of course it could be useful to report on Addict girl, if you include the girl's name. Sure we don't care much about Addict Massage in terms of the shop for those who have tried it, but an individual girl is much more meaningful.

Michelle, Maple, Monday, Mena, Music, or?

It's all about particular hot girls, but also whether a shop is worth a visit at all. There are so many shops. We can't visit them all.[/QUOTE]I was certain it was Mabel, but given that there is no girl with such name on the Addict website, you are right it must be Maple. Addict would never let two girls with such similar names compete at the same time, it would create too much confusion with bookings. It's just so easy for any girl to adopt a new nickname. There is no way I could have told Maple from Mabel apart just by sonority anyway.

She has blonde-ish hair now, but same tall legs and skinny frame. She is really good for looks. Pretty face, smooth curves, no baby marks. I actually picked her up twice in a line-up of more than 10 girls without remembering it. I always go for the hottest one as a matter of policy because service at Addict is, as you know, quite predictable. She's the one who remembered me, and she got semi-offended or mock-offended because I had forgotten I'd been with her before. But, after she said it, it sort of came back to me, with a hesitancy about her performance.

It was confirmed within the hour. I don't know why or cannot explain how, but I felt the exact same thing twice. I'm here banging away at a hot young chick with perfect body proportions and a pretty smile, and I walk away not one hundred percent satisfied. Of course she drained my balls, and I didn't have to resort to self-stimulation to do it, but there was something lacking. Like she is hiding a tiny little bit of herself inside. She's a little bit too professional. A little bit too perfect. I wouldn't say too mechanical, that would be too harsh.

But even a seasoned pro like Sandy at Addict can make you feel like a million dollars. At the opposite end of the spectrum, a young flower like Cartoon at Asok Massage Soi 19 doesn't even have to do anything, she just has to be there, fully present with her mind and heart and soul to give a man the greatest bounty he can reap. But Maple is just relying a bit too much on the knowledge that her looks are fucking hot to bother making that extra bit of effort that satisfies not just the cock but also the man as a whole.

Anyway, I'm not knocking her down, I'd probably pick her up out of a line-up anyway, as I already did twice, unknowingly. Sorry if I waxed a bit too philosophical in here.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1975192]No, far worse than just stretch marks.

But albeit her body is quite below average, her service was not: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1726800&viewfull=1#post1726800[/URL][/QUOTE]I missed the worst of her stretch marks because I brought something for her to wear. It didn't really work out though because the stretch marks extend all the way to the buttocks and thighs. My reference to A+ baby damage was because she has this big old wrinkly starfish. A nice arsehole should be tight and smooth and make you want to lick it (although I never do). Hers had so many lines it looked a bit like a spider's web. I assume this is baby damage as I've never seen an arsehole like that before. I don't want to be mean though. I have an extremely low tolerance for baby damage. Some guys would no doubt love her oversized flaps and wrinkly starfish. She was quite good with her tongue so I can easily see she might be good at rim jobs, but I'm not into that. I bet she does loads of nasty stuff that girls with nicer bodies don't so I don't agree that shops shouldn't employ women like her. There's obviously a demand for service providers like that.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1975352]
I can write another report on another newly discovered girl at Addict named M*, but will anybody want that? Everybody knows Addict, if you like Addict you just pick some chick from the line-up. But little out-of-the-way MPs are potentially of more informational value.

Anyway, my main point was to provide independent confirmation of AsianRain's original report. Thanks Man! And also thanks to Whorman for highlighting it.[/QUOTE]The more reports the better. I have in the past written a report which no one has replied to and I've thought to myself, what was the point? It's especially annoying to see your report drowned out by inane chatter. It's good to see the thread is more focussed at the moment. Clearly a lot of people are interested in reports whether they reply or not. Cartoon and A+ at Addict are top of my 'to do' list for next week.

[QUOTE=*****man;1975446]The more reports the better. I have in the past written a report which no one has replied to and I've thought to myself, what was the point? It's especially annoying to see your report drowned out by inane chatter. [/QUOTE]My general thoughts intended for all posters to consider, not specific to yourself, even you raise the topics. I try to encourage positive field reports to be posted.

There is nothing wrong with reports not replied to. It purely means no one knows anything more or sees things differently. Believe it or not, the Thailand forum used to be worse than today in terms of a few posters being nothing but highly negative shit dumpers on any one attempting to post something positive, often using short smart ass tweets, but not always. Fortunately some of those guys disappeared. I even forget the handle now. Could easily have been "shitdumper". Finally comes back to me "Sourpuss", no Freudian slip is was "LovePuss".

Nothing wrong with some variations in opinion or tastes or priorities, even specs are hard to understand. I can't understand why guys need very white skin for example. This is Thailand after all. No one understands why I am attracted to a cute little upturned nose, big lips and big eyes. No matter.

Unfortunately the positive girl reports have dropped off. Many guys are too lazy to post. Some are scared of a negative backlash. Francisass tries very hard to scare off anyone from posting a positive report in the Annies Thread for example. It definitely works to some extent. There are a lot less posts there now. I don't like the intimidators.

Guys should feel free to post their positive experiences without total shit being dumped on their report. No response could be seen as plus sometimes, meaning no dissent. I said Prae was enthusiastic with me. Goatscot says she was not enthusiastic. I said her face is not broad (average), you said it is. I say was acceptable to me (no surgeries). You guess over 30, I say well under 30 was likely based on figure. I was told 27 (a story but could be true). Too bad we don't all agree. No big deal. I am expecting differing opinions when I post. I said her body was excellent. No dissenters on that topic, so that makes it more believable perhaps.

If we had strong moderators, a lot of irrelevant stuff could be removed from threads, to keep them on track, and shit dumpers could be censored. Unfortunately only the strongest stuff ever gets removed. Some other non-Thailand parts of ISG used to be greatly superior to the Thailand section in terms of intel reports dominating the negative shit, however some of those sections have declined into useless banter dominating. We can't force people to write field reports but can only encourage it. Also to encourage people to write about non standard opinons, so we get variety of perspectives.

Zauberfree does not even care about baby damage. O.K. a different perspective. I don't care if girl has a baby if damage is minor. I don't need extremely overly tiny pussy. Many of my favourite girls had a baby, a small number do not. It's definitely not an issue for me. However Goatscrot's Tank tracks would be an issue for me, as would deflated empty bag tits. It interferes with beauty of the girl's body, spoiling my fantasy. I have to admit to not repeating several popular girls simply because body or face were not good enough. There are things that put guys off, or attract guys, like the big need for A+, or multi pops, or ass licking, etc. that are different to my interests. I can't even say in my reports if the girl likes ass fucking, accepts ass fucking always or sometimes, or what. I can't say if she does multi pops. I just don't know these things. So we need multiple reports on experiences with same girl where possible.

How useful are girl reports? it depends greatly on the reader whether he likes to follow others' recommendations, or always try for himself. However I would be steered away from certain girls based on some negative reports and consider trying some girls based on positive reports. If a girl is fucking gorgeous, I am likely to try no matter what the reports were. If she is not my taste, I am unlikely to try, no matter what the reports are. In the end all my favourites have come from finding for myself. Not one is someone else's recommendation, before I tried myself, unless a complete coincidence. Could be I was influenced to try Cherry when she was at Mango, and maybe Aor at Annies, I can't remember now, however I did find Cherry to have a great body and likewise Aor. Maybe my favourite Annies girl was recommended, without me paying too much attention. I recall trying recommended girls on plenty of occasions and being quite unimpressed, e.g. Vodka, Benz. We learn very well that YMMV. Girls do not standardise their service to exactly the same for each customer. Its impossible because customers have markedly different agendas and plan of activities, and could be laid back or demanding. We have to get used to the idea that the reporter may have very different way of evaluating a girl, and take into account the taste and foibles of the poster.

It is great for me to read a positive report on a girl that I was already considering to try. That is most useful of all, but happens rather too infrequently. Did I ever second someone else's positive review? Again rarely, but can happen. Usually my view varied.

Finally, my view of intel is that it needs to be fairly specific to be of any great use, including name or number of the girl or establishment, and a good description of her face and body, and service levels, where possible, or useful general advice about ways to go about things. Otherwise we just get banter or stories that may or may not be entertaining, but nothing much that can be acted on. Funny reports are nice, but that is so few of them.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1975360]Completely disagree!

Your preferences are definately not mine or those of other guys. I take a mature, slutty "pornstar" with stretch marks anytime over a young and stunning starfish. For me, and maybe just for me, performance tops looks by far distance, so the girls from Tulip, Snow White, Bong Kot et al. usually work great for for.

If you need more quality of looks simply avoid these shops and go to shop that mainly caters for asians. Usually you will find better body bodies and more beautiful faces there.

Or if you want to avoid such experiences just go to a gogo bar.[/QUOTE]I would imagine that most of the guys on this forum would rather have a gal who performs well and has a nice body as opposed to a performer who does not have a nice body. There are some gals that wear their kids well, and I have no problem with that. But many just don't. I have no problem making some concessions with looks, but FFS some of the stomachs I have seen recently are beyond horrific. Honestly, I can find a "mature, slutty "pornstar" with stretch marks" back home in the US of A any day. There are plenty of them available. Being over here means you don't have to settle for that. At least to me that is a big part of it. In fact, one of the reasons I chose Thailand was back in the day the dude's in their 50s and 60s had the hottest gals.

FYI, I need PSE performance as well. I just want it without the map of Thailand on the belly. I have been frequenting PSE shops for well over 10 years. I have been a Tulip denizen since soon after it opened and was at Mango and Snow the first day they opened. The quality of PSE gals has dropped by a mile over the last few years. I used to have no problem finding great looking gals without baby damage in those shops; in fact it was often difficult to choose. In Mango you had Bo, Cherry, Apple, Ann, Mook, and several others whose names I cannot remember all working the shop at the same time. Now it is difficult to find more than one per shop that passes muster. And to top it all it seems that only Tulip and Bongkot have really maintained their performance standards. I have no desire to go the more Asian style places on the soi where you get CBJ and attitude. I gave up GoGo bars almost a decade ago soon after the "Arab" bought his first bar, Midnight. Gave up on FL after Thermae became majority Asian and the prices jumped from 1 k to 2 k. So I have been almost exclusively a PSE shop guy for many years.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1975504]I would imagine that ...[/QUOTE]Actually I agree on nearly everything you posted. It seems we have similar preferences as well as a similar mindset ;)

Yes, the P4 P scene has changed within the last years. Quality in both performance and looks are on the way down, prices are on the way up. In the past everything was simply better ;)

Still there's no use complaining about that. It is what it is, and obviously we can't change the P4 P scene, the girls or the shop policies. We can only change ourselves, which means avoid shops and / or girls, find out new sources of "talent" or even just accept the fact that you either can get a young and sexy starfish or an more mature pornstar. Or maybe for you even don't come back to Thailand for mongering. Still plenty of good girls available, but it just takes much more efforts (based of time and money) to find and get them. The times of P4 P gold digging in Thailand are - unfortunately - over.

[QUOTE]

Still there's no use complaining about that. It is what it is, and obviously we can't change the P4 P scene, the girls or the shop policies. We can only change ourselves, which means avoid shops and / or girls, find out new sources of "talent" or even just accept the fact that you either can get a young and sexy starfish or an more mature pornstar. Or maybe for you even don't come back to Thailand for mongering. Still plenty of good girls available, but it just takes much more efforts (based of time and money) to find and get them. The times of P4 P gold digging in Thailand are - unfortunately - over.[/QUOTE]Partly true. Partly over generalised.

Some of my favorite girls are in age range 27 to 33 as they are superior fucks, even if they have a baby already or a grown child.

However young and pretty certainly does not imply a starfish by any means. Some of these girls started fucking at 15 and by 21 are really very experienced. In general Thai hookers are far more horny and passionate than hookers from my home country.

Certainly inexperienced girls have less skills or just less service orientation and may need training up but some of them learn fast. I had a supposedly inexperienced 18 YO cutie. By end of rhe first lesson, her BBBJ had already been very well adapted to how I like it. Yet other girls seem unable to change anything. Maybe too long been doing the BBBJ totally wrong for me. Puzzles me. Ball licking and ass licking don't exactly require massive skills, only a willingness and can be good very quickly. Maybe DT requires practice so few newbie girls have that ability.

Starfish is just a disinterested attitude. Does not come automatically with extra young girls however very few older girls go in the starfish category. Extra young girls may not be ready or motivated for extra old men, or just have not yet learned how to enjoy sex. Maybe older girls will not be hookers if they really hate sex so much. I just guess since I can't say I fully understand.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1975653]Still there's no use complaining about that. It is what it is, and obviously we can't change the P4 P scene, the girls or the shop policies. We can only change ourselves, which means avoid shops and / or girls, find out new sources of "talent" or even just accept the fact that you either can get a young and sexy starfish or an more mature pornstar. Or maybe for you even don't come back to Thailand for mongering. Still plenty of good girls available, but it just takes much more efforts (based of time and money) to find and get them. The times of P4 P gold digging in Thailand are - unfortunately - over.[/QUOTE]Why should we accept it? Neither choice is acceptable. Actually are things we can do about it. Complaining to the mamasans, not accepting poor service, sending gals back downstairs if their bodies are too torn up. Make it known this is not ok. Sadly most farang dudes are way to shy to complain. The shops and gals know this and take advantage of it. I have called off sessions at oilies, with FLs, with GoGo gals. If I am not getting good service the session ends and the gals gets taxi money of 100-200 Baht.

If enough guys complain and biz drops off, policies will change. We need to take our cues from the locals, who really won't accept bad attitudes, poor looks, or completely lackluster service. One reason many of these places don't serve the locals Thai males is they know the gals are not good enough and the Thai guys will complain. They know that most of us won't.

And I would not choose Thailand for a mongering destination at present. I live here and have for almost 2 decades. It is a shame to see the scene decline and I would say a the majority of the blame rests squarely with the punters. Farang guys were far more demanding when I moved here. They certainly had a different attitude from the guys today. We are the customers. We should not expect any less from a P4 P provider than we do any other service we purchase. How about an auto mechanic who only takes care of half the problem and complains the entire time?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1975695]Partly true. Partly over generalised.

Some of my favorite girls are in age range 27 to 33 as they are superior fucks, even if they have a baby already or a grown child.

However young and pretty certainly does not imply a starfish by any means. Some of these girls started fucking at 15 and by 21 are really very experienced. In general Thai hookers are far more horny and passionate than hookers from my home country.

Certainly inexperienced girls have less skills or just less service orientation and may need training up but some of them learn fast. I had a supposedly inexperienced 18 YO cutie. By end of rhe first lesson, her BBBJ had already been very well adapted to how I like it. Yet other girls seem unable to change anything. Maybe too long been doing the BBBJ totally wrong for me. Puzzles me. Ball licking and ass licking don't exactly require massive skills, only a willingness and can be good very quickly. Maybe DT requires practice so few newbie girls have that ability.

Starfish is just a disinterested attitude. Does not come automatically with extra young girls however very few older girls go in the starfish category. Extra young girls may not be ready or motivated for extra old men, or just have not yet learned how to enjoy sex. Maybe older girls will not be hookers if they really hate sex so much. I just guess since I can't say I fully understand.[/QUOTE]The mamasans at the GoGos, oilies, and soapies should ensure that the gals are properly trained. I would say rimming and oral stimulation of the testicles does require skills. Actually I have been with gals in their late 20's who have been on the game for awhile and are still lousy lays. Also the skill set should be constantly improving. When you visit a gal often she should have new tricks to get you going. The best oily gals always had something new up their sleeves. Whatever job you choose to do, you need to be committed to it and work to do it well. And that includes the job of working girl.

I had a pretty bad experience at Addict today so just thought would check with you guys whether some of it was expected?

I am currently in BKK for a 4 day mixed work / leisure trip. In my previous trips. I have had good experiences in PSE places like Mango, Snow White, Bamboo etc. This time basis the reviews here. I thought I would try out Addict.

I headed there last evening. And chose Maple given the good reviews below. She has a slim body with A cup boobs. So. We started out with a pretty much regular bath in the tub. With she scrubbing me down methodically. When we moved to the bed. She refused DFK saying she had a cold. Fair enough. When I asked for 2 shots (in all other places 2 hours means 2 shots) - she says 2 shots only for HJ. But only 1 shot if I wanted to have sex. If I wanted to have sex 2 times. She asked 1 k extra as tip. My bad I didn't walk out immediately as probably the junior took over the thinking. Anyways. I paid up the extra 1 k. But even then she was pretty much a starfish with no enthusiasm. All in all. A disaster. I am sure I was a fool paying 1 k extra for the second shot. Anyone else had similiar experience?

[QUOTE=EthanHunt123;1975838]I had a pretty bad experience at Addict today so just thought would check with you guys whether some of it was expected?

I am currently in BKK for a 4 day mixed work / leisure trip. In my previous trips. I have had good experiences in PSE places like Mango, Snow White, Bamboo etc. This time basis the reviews here. I thought I would try out Addict.

I headed there last evening. And chose Maple given the good reviews below. She has a slim body with A cup boobs. So. We started out with a pretty much regular bath in the tub. With she scrubbing me down methodically. When we moved to the bed. She refused DFK saying she had a cold. Fair enough. When I asked for 2 shots (in all other places 2 hours means 2 shots) - she says 2 shots only for HJ. But only 1 shot if I wanted to have sex. If I wanted to have sex 2 times. She asked 1 k extra as tip. My bad I didn't walk out immediately as probably the junior took over the thinking. Anyways. I paid up the extra 1 k. But even then she was pretty much a starfish with no enthusiasm. All in all. A disaster. I am sure I was a fool paying 1 k extra for the second shot. Anyone else had similiar experience?[/QUOTE]Addict just sucks. Everything about all the girls there suck (except Sandy). People not to stop talking about it because even the bad press is good press and is giving them business. I walked passed the place yesterday and it was all ambiguously ugly women (hard to tell what they look like with the way they dress over most of their bodies and the amount of make up they apply). Anyway, I walked past Addict, ignoring their "more girls inside" sales pitch and headed over to Orient. Where I saw a really hot girl (and pretty good / great service, not PSE) named Pope (she pronounces it Bo-Pei). Pope is like a hot (Thai) girl next door type of look. Down to earth but hot body, attractive / hot face. The pictures on their website don't do her much justice. Also, her tits are all natural and really well sized for a Thai girl. Also FYI, other girls there worth checking out: Donuts and Tan. Tan is quite good service-wise, and Donut is a nice girl, not all bitter like that one you saw at Addict.

In over a decade of mongering in Thailand I have never met a girl with an attitude as bad as Cartoon at Asok Massage. I'm shocked that AsianRain and EricSwiss both gave her good reviews. Were you so spellbound by her looks that you allowed her to act like a little b1tch? Or were your experiences completely different to mine?

So I arrive at about 11 in the morning and the mamasan calls up to her but she's not ready (seems to live up there) and advises me to come back in an hour. I come back and have to wait another 10 minutes or so. When she walks in my immediate impression was that her face is quite nice but nothing special. She's definitely above average for an oily girl but in a Huay Kwang soapy she would be considered average at best. Her skin is not fair enough to appeal to most soapy customers. I didn't really think much of it at the time but even at first glance she had this hostile look on her face. Anyway she looked nice enough so I paid for a 2300 baht session in the shower room. Cartoon then drops a pair of slippers in front of me. In Orient Massage they sit you down, take your shoes off for you and help you on with the slippers but not Cartoon. I'm wearing lace-up shoes so have to take a seat. She does nothing to help. No big deal, I thought and follow her to the room. In most oilies the girl will give you a little hug or something and ask if you want something to drink. Not Cartoon. She just says 'shower' and walks off. When she returns I ask her 'Sabai dee, mai?' (How are you?) The normal response is 'Saibai dee, ka' but not Cartoon. Her response is 'Roojak' (know). I've never heard that response before so I say 'arai na?' She repeats it in a really bitchy way, as if to say 'Are you some kind of fucking retard?' She then says 'Aap naam' which I know means 'take a shower' but I'm just thinking, what the fuck is this attitude? She then shouts it out again as if she's giving orders to a naughty kid. The look on her face was one of hostility and contempt. At that I just called the session off. She scowled and made no attempt to change my mind, just shouted something down to the mamasan as if this is the kind of thing that happens to her all the time. I got my money back and will obviously never go back to this place.

I strongly advise you to stay away from this place. The room is small and crappy with a hard bed and no mirrors or anything. At Huay Kwang soapies the rooms are far better and there are plenty of girls better looking than Cartoon who are at least polite and do their job properly. The price is about the same too. Or if you prefer the oily set-up I saw Bonus in Snow White recently and she's just as attractive and doesn't have the pathetic attitude.

I went to see Sandy today. She was busy but the mamasan confirmed she is A+. I asked if there are other A+ girls in the shop and was told that Sandy is the only one. So I came back for her but when I saw her her face was not acceptable to me. Prae from Mango is younger looking and more attractive. Emmy from Snow White is younger looking and more attractive than either. So that's the last time I go to Addict. I can easily think of half a dozen baby-free girls in the PSE shops who are A+, younger and more attractive than Sandy.

[QUOTE=*****man;1975886]In over a decade of mongering in Thailand I have never met a girl with an attitude as bad as Cartoon at Asok Massage. I'm shocked that AsianRain and EricSwiss both gave her good reviews. Were you so spellbound by her looks that you allowed her to act like a little b1tch? Or were your experiences completely different to mine?

So I arrive at about 11 in the morning and the mamasan calls up to her but she's not ready (seems to live up there) and advises me to come back in an hour. I come back and have to wait another 10 minutes or so. When she walks in my immediate impression was that her face is quite nice but nothing special. She's definitely above average for an oily girl but in a Huay Kwang soapy she would be considered average at best. Her skin is not fair enough to appeal to most soapy customers. I didn't really think much of it at the time but even at first glance she had this hostile look on her face. Anyway she looked nice enough so I paid for a 2300 baht session in the shower room. Cartoon then drops a pair of slippers in front of me. In Orient Massage they sit you down, take your shoes off for you and help you on with the slippers but not Cartoon. I'm wearing lace-up shoes so have to take a seat. She does nothing to help. No big deal, I thought and follow her to the room. In most oilies the girl will give you a little hug or something and ask if you want something to drink. Not Cartoon. She just says 'shower' and walks off. When she returns I ask her 'Sabai dee, mai?' (How are you?) The normal response is 'Saibai dee, ka' but not Cartoon. Her response is 'Roojak' (know). I've never heard that response before so I say 'arai na?' She repeats it in a really bitchy way, as if to say 'Are you some kind of fucking retard?' She then says 'Aap naam' which I know means 'take a shower' but I'm just thinking, what the fuck is this attitude? She then shouts it out again as if she's giving orders to a naughty kid. The look on her face was one of hostility and contempt. At that I just called the session off. She scowled and made no attempt to change my mind, just shouted something down to the mamasan as if this is the kind of thing that happens to her all the time. I got my money back and will obviously never go back to this place.

I strongly advise you to stay away from this place. The room is small and crappy with a hard bed and no mirrors or anything. At Huay Kwang soapies the rooms are far better and there are plenty of girls better looking than Cartoon who are at least polite and do their job properly. The price is about the same too.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it was your knowledge of Thai language that led to your bad experience. Because I've been with a Thai lady who once told me she didn't like farangs who spoke Thai language and who knew "everything" in Thailand. Fortunately, I couldn't speak Thai, and I didn't know much about Thailand. Which meant that her dislike didn't apply to me.

I think your inability to speak Thai language and your unfamiliarity with their culture makes the lady feel safe in terms of her reputation in her community. Because this means that you don't know anybody she might know. And you are unable to blab about her to other people, who know her, even if you want to.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1975892]Perhaps it was your knowledge of Thai language that led to your bad experience. Because I've been with a Thai lady who once told me she didn't like farangs who spoke Thai language and who knew "everything" in Thailand. Fortunately, I couldn't speak Thai, and I didn't know much about Thailand. Which meant that her dislike didn't apply to me.

I think your inability to speak Thai language and your unfamiliarity with their culture makes the lady feel safe in terms of her reputation in her community. Because this means that you don't know anybody she might know. And you are unable to blab about her to other people, who know her, even if you want to.[/QUOTE]Nice theory but I always speak Thai with the girls and have never had anything other than a positive reaction. Also the poor attitude started before she even knew I spoke Thai, with the contemptuous look and deliberately dropping the slippers on the floor. And she wouldn't know I spoke Thai just because I said sabai dee mai. Half the tourists and all the expats know that expression. Also Thai WGs are happy to give out their social media details even though it reveals information about themselves and their friends so I don't think there's any validity at all in what you say.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1975865]Addict just sucks. Everything about all the girls there suck (except Sandy). People not to stop talking about it because even the bad press is good press and is giving them business. I walked passed the place yesterday and it was all ambigously ugly women (hard to tell what they look like with the way they dress over most of their bodies and the amount of make up they apply). Anyway, I walked past Addict, ignoring their "more girls inside" sales pitch and headed over to Orient. Where I saw a really hot girl (and pretty good / great service, not PSE) named Pope (she pronounces it Bo-Pei). Pope is like a hot (thai) girl next door type of look. Down to earth but hot body, attractive / hot face. The pictures on their website don't do her much justice. Also, her tits are all natural and really well sized for a Thai girl. Also FYI, other girls there worth checking out: Donut and Tan. Tan is quite good service-wise, and Donut is a nice girl, not all bitter like that one you saw at Addict.[/QUOTE]I agree that Orient is a lot better than Addict in every respect except the number of girls. Addict really does suck.

[QUOTE=*****man;1975926]I agree that Orient is a lot better than Addict in every respect except the number of girls. Addict really does suck.[/QUOTE]I have seen a looker sitting at Orient when coming out of a Mango session, but you have to be lucky with timing. When I went specifically there to try to find her again, no pretties were available, in fact line up can be a lot more ordinary than Addict line up, for looks at least, at times. No clue for service as did not find a doable girl yet at the right time. Really most shops are like this with one or two lookers if you get lucky to be there at the right time, when hot girl is not busy. Maybe my spec is strange. LOL I don't think Pope or Donut can be to my spec (who nose the reasons?), Tan a maybe. O.K. Service can be expected to be better is good news at least.

At Addict I would guess they have very limited good girls, but plenty of average girls (not exactly horrible and not memorable). The good one I had, J J, is not there any more. I will still try if I can find a stunner, just in case she can be good. I can't assume the shop can cause every girl to be bad. We already know there can be odd girls well above average, just maybe not many. I agree with Parkville that uniforms make it tough, however I would go for the skinniest possible girls for that reason.

[QUOTE=*****man;1975886]In over a decade of mongering in Thailand I have never met a girl with an attitude as bad as Cartoon at Asok Massage. I'm shocked that AsianRain and EricSwiss both gave her good reviews. Were you so spellbound by her looks that you allowed her to act like a little b1tch? Or were your experiences completely different to mine?[/QUOTE]Read my original report again (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1941909&viewfull=1#post1941909). I was QUITE CLEAR that I was UNHAPPY about her service (the demand for CBJ after I gave her DATY where she orgasmed was one of the most off-putting experiences I have had at an oily) and not impressed with the facilities. I only commented that she was cute (which was my subjective view, others opinion may vary) with a totally tight natural body and fantastic tits (which you never got to see as you bailed from the session). YMMV. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1975892]Perhaps it was your knowledge of Thai language that led to your bad experience. Because I've been with a Thai lady who once told me she didn't like farangs who spoke Thai language and who knew "everything" in Thailand. Fortunately, I couldn't speak Thai, and I didn't know much about Thailand. Which meant that her dislike didn't apply to me.

I think your inability to speak Thai language and your unfamiliarity with their culture makes the lady feel safe in terms of her reputation in her community. Because this means that you don't know anybody she might know. And you are unable to blab about her to other people, who know her, even if you want to.[/QUOTE]Can't agree Dan. I speak Thai to all my massage ladies and do not strike the seemingly bitchy attitude. They are mostly grateful I can speak Thai so they don't have to struggle with English. It is more in a group situation where my Thai ability may not be appreciated when girls want to gossip secretly.

Roojak is not a proper response to Sabai Dee Mai ("How are you" It is not clear what is going on here. Roojak means to know someone (rather than know something). Is she implying she knows *****man? Perhaps his ISG post was read and they are expecting him, and it is known he likes A+ and no babies, or other explanations are possible. Not wise to be too sure what is the meaning. He rightly queried the meaning. She seemed to be acting extremely impatiently about him taking the shower. Wasting time is allowed after all.

It's quite puzzling really to understand exactly what is going on. Has she read or miss-read some sort of sign language. Does she think she knows him or visa versa? I suppose someone in a bad mood could wonder why a guy is asking about her good health when he has never met her, but in that case she would have said "roojak mai" to turn it into a question. "Roojak" is purely a statement of knowing someone. So strike that last thought off.

With such simple Thai words, it seems unlikely anyone misheard.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1975392]I was certain it was Mabel, but given that there is no girl with such name on the Addict website, you are right it must be Maple.
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Anyway, I'm not knocking her down, I'd probably pick her up out of a line-up anyway, as I already did twice, unknowingly. Sorry if I waxed a bit too philosophical in here.[/QUOTE]The way Thai pronounce Maple could sound like Mabel very easily. They use what is called unaspirated P, and cannot do the L properly so probably sounds like May-bpern with "bp" being half way between a western B and P.

I thought her web pics looked okay possibly up to pretty, but face was somewhat hidden. I picked 4 girls I liked. Only Smile and Yumi remain. Kaimook and A have gone from website. I am wondering if this place has high turnover?

Your report has not really attracted me to Maple or put me off. I need to get a look at the real girl and also Smile and Yumi, to see which one stands out for me, if any.

Sandy is on the top of the web page. I hope this means something (top girl?) and there is a reason why Smile is number 2. Another poster confirmed Smile is very pretty and delicate.

Anyway I can tell from your posts, you are an optimist and not too tough on girls. I see myself as mid range probably on the optimistic side as well.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1975892]Perhaps it was your knowledge of Thai language that led to your bad experience. Because I've been with a Thai lady who once told me she didn't like farangs who spoke Thai language and who knew "everything" in Thailand. Fortunately, I couldn't speak Thai, and I didn't know much about Thailand. Which meant that her dislike didn't apply to me.[/QUOTE]LOL, bruh. They are manipulating you when they say that. "I not like old man, not same my age. " Then same day they'll tell the older customers "I not like young guy, too immature. " I wouldn't believe anything they say at just face value. There is always some truth and lie behind what they say. Truth in that their mind came up with those words to begin with, lie in that it benefits them from saying it. They will almost always say something flattering, it's their job, if they're able to do it. Some are just cunts and have no rapport.

[QUOTE=EthanHunt123;1975838]I had a pretty bad experience at Addict today so just thought would check with you guys whether some of it was expected?

I am currently in BKK for a 4 day mixed work / leisure trip. In my previous trips. I have had good experiences in PSE places like Mango, Snow White, Bamboo etc. This time basis the reviews here. I thought I would try out Addict.

I headed there last evening. And chose Maple given the good reviews below. She has a slim body with A cup boobs. So. We started out with a pretty much regular bath in the tub. With she scrubbing me down methodically. When we moved to the bed. She refused DFK saying she had a cold. Fair enough. When I asked for 2 shots (in all other places 2 hours means 2 shots) - she says 2 shots only for HJ. But only 1 shot if I wanted to have sex. If I wanted to have sex 2 times. She asked 1 k extra as tip. My bad I didn't walk out immediately as probably the junior took over the thinking. Anyways. I paid up the extra 1 k. But even then she was pretty much a starfish with no enthusiasm. All in all. A disaster. I am sure I was a fool paying 1 k extra for the second shot. Anyone else had similiar experience?[/QUOTE]Here is a review from last week where I explained the 2 shots policy of Addict.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES[/URL]!&p=1973253&viewfull=1#post1973253.

You could have received a BJ for the second shot. Better to keep your 1000 baht to go and fuck another girl if you had time, after all 1000 baht is already half the price for a 1 hour session.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1975966]I picked 4 girls I liked. Only Smile and Yumi remain. Kaimook and A have gone from website. I am wondering if this place has high turnover?

Your report has not really attracted me to Maple or put me off. I need to get a look at the real girl and also Smile and Yumi, to see which one stands out for me, if any.

Sandy is on the top of the web page. I hope this means something (top girl?) and there is a reason why Smile is number 2. Another poster confirmed Smile is very pretty and delicate.

Anyway I can tell from your posts, you are an optimist and not too tough on girls. I see myself as mid range probably on the optimistic side as well.[/QUOTE]The turnover is indeed very high in that shop. They've got a lot of girls working for them and they put a big pressure on them (looks like their rules are very strict).

Back in October I went there 3 times and could not even spot one girl that is featured on their website. Each time the line up was more than 15 girls but none were appealing and the girls were different every time.

I think I asked for Sandy but they told me I will have to book her, didn't want to take the risk. I tried to book Candy but was told she will be back in the end of the month with big boobs, so I did not take anyone in 3 visits.

As for Smile, if she really works there, you may have to book her if you want to meet her.

Please keep in mind that my experience with her was from a few month ago, in another MP. I would not be surprised if the service that she delivers nowadays is different from what I received a that time. I realized that the poor service from the girls in Addict was mostly due to the girls being overworking.

In fact I once met a girl (in another MP) , that was working in Addict for a few month before quiting her job because she had been pregnant. That girl was very nice during my 2 hours session, she offered many shots and gave me a good service, opposed to the service that I received from 3 different girls in Addict.

Syzgies,

That made me laugh Thais have a problem with p and L, a lot of English people particularly Londoners have a non existent l maple would sound like maipoow yet it's not to difficult to know what they are saying.

Anyway I forgot to mention on my last trip to BKK I noticed a new shop at thong lo near tulip brightly colored exterior with a sign I don't remember if it was on the same or other side of the street to tulip, I called in there late and was told by the lady she did multiple pops and a plus, she looked very nasty but a little old for my tastes so I declined I don't know if it was just this lady that's PSE and multiple but I'd imagine must be more lady's in that's shop, I will defiantly check it out again soon it would be great to get some reports on it especially as the lady mentioned this to me without any asking on my behalf bat services offered.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1976004]Here is a review from last week where I explained the 2 shots policy of Addict.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1973253&viewfull=1#post1973253[/URL]

You could have received a BJ for the second shot. Better to keep your 1000 baht to go and fuck another girl if you had time, after all 1000 baht is already half the price for a 1 hour session.[/QUOTE]Your link is corrected.

I don't think one can really get 2 shots at a place like Addict. Web site does not mention it.

Web site does say that no other shop can match the beauty, enthusiasm and professionalism of their shop. However we are getting a lot of reports to the contrary. I am getting the feeling that they started off as well as could be expected, but have declined badly. There are a lot of new girls, and a lot gone.

The fancy uniform is sucking some guys in, however I have failed to choose a girl on several occasions with looks not that inspiring, and at least two girls actually chosen had somewhat disappointing bodies once the clothes came off. Service from these girls was so so average. I only ever had the one worthwhile girl of moderate face and OK body (no major flaws) and good enthusiastic service who is gone now.

General agreement is that Addict rooms are O.K. to good, but girls are generally not good. Hard to have generally good girls, when have such a continual stream of new ones.

What was the real attraction of this shop? I think initially it had to be the large line up of girls and the fancy uniforms, both of these are not really worth that much practically. I would rather girls wore something more skimpy and revealing and would rather have a smaller number of girls if prettier.

Others point out that it may be quite difficult to find the prettier girls on the web site. Some of the girls may work seriously small hours, due to other commitments, such as being a student. Some may work at other shops as well. Does Addict have a sister shop?

At least other shops have developed a generally good service reputation, but Addict seems to have a reputation for only hype and very little of substance. I accept that individual girls like Sandy, may well be special exception girls that really do deliver, but who are the real beauties at Addict? That still remains a mystery.

Like Eric Swiss, I can accept a little less than outstanding service from a super stunner, but yet to meet such a girl at Addict. I remember once, being so taken by a beautiful girl, I forgot to get a BJ from her, moving straight from DATY to getting the dick in. LOL So later I could not say what her BBBJ was like. LOL

[QUOTE=LoveHole69;1976017]Syzgies,

That made me laugh Thais have a problem with p and L, a lot of English people particularly Londoners have a non existent l maple would sound like maipoow yet it's not to difficult to know what they are saying.

Anyway I forgot to mention on my last trip to BKK I noticed a new shop at thong lo near tulip brightly colored exterior with a sign I don't remember if it was on the same or other side of the street to tulip, I called in there late and was told by the lady she did multiple pops and a plus, she looked very nasty but a little old for my tastes so I declined I don't know if it was just this lady that's PSE and multiple but I'd imagine must be more lady's in that's shop, I will defiantly check it out again soon it would be great to get some reports on it especially as the lady mentioned this to me without any asking on my behalf bat services offered.[/QUOTE]I think you are talking about Sky Massage.

[URL]http://sky-massage.com/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=LoveHole69;1976017]
Anyway I forgot to mention on my last trip to BKK I noticed a new shop at thong lo near tulip brightly colored exterior with a sign I don't remember if it was on the same or other side of the street to tulip, I called in there late and was told by the lady she did multiple pops and a plus, she looked very nasty but a little old for my tastes so I declined I don't know if it was just this lady that's PSE and multiple but I'd imagine must be more lady's in that's shop, I will defiantly check it out again soon it would be great to get some reports on it especially as the lady mentioned this to me without any asking on my behalf bat services offered.[/QUOTE]Pity Google Maps. Street view is out of date (2014) or we could potentially find the new shop.

Addict evaluation again. So a year or 2 ago they were a well reviewed shop: [URL]http://rockitreports.com/review-addict-massage-bangkok-thailand/[/URL].

If you look at the comments section at the bottom, you'll see it starting from quite good (huge lineup, similar to nataree) to getting progressively bad (girls taking 15 minutes to bring water back, listening to K-pop during entire session).

Let's just be real here. Addict sucks currently. Whatever they started with seemed to be good, but perhaps through no fault of their own, such as losing all their good looking girls to Japanese sponsors, they have little-to-nothing of P4 P value. The place is a definite avoid for now. What is confusing is that people are reading the older reports and still showing up LOL. Best thing to do is walk through entire street until you see something you like. You'll probably just want to skip Addict of course as the girls look really plain and try to hide it with lots of make-up and a very defect-concealing uniform.

Right now it seems these places are still viable: Snow white (I don't go there I just see it brought up a lot), mango, orient, honeybee / kiss.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1976211]Addict evaluation again. So a year or 2 ago they were a well reviewed shop: [URL]http://rockitreports.com/review-addict-massage-bangkok-thailand/[/URL].

If you look at the comments section at the bottom, you'll see it starting from quite good (huge lineup, similar to nataree) to getting progressively bad (girls taking 15 minutes to bring water back, listening to K-pop during entire session).

Let's just be real here. Addict sucks currently. Whatever they started with seemed to be good, but perhaps through no fault of their own, such as losing all their good looking girls to Japanese sponsors, they have little-to-nothing of P4 P value. The place is a definite avoid for now. What is confusing is that people are reading the older reports and still showing up LOL. Best thing to do is walk through entire street until you see something you like. You'll probably just want to skip Addict of course as the girls look really plain and try to hide it with lots of make-up and a very defect-concealing uniform.

Right now it seems these places are still viable: Snow white (I don't go there I just see it brought up a lot), mango, orient, honeybee / kiss.[/QUOTE]Wow Sandy looked fucking gorgeous in the pic in that old review. Doesn't look the same as current web site pics. Looks a lot skinnier. Has the photo been shrunk? LOL Amazingly the writer wrote that a one hour session leads to no rush, where I consider 1 hour is what I do when I am in a big hurry, so a few things he wrote don't quite gel with me. I never found the Addict line up to be that special from the get go, and always struggled to choose a girl that really appealed a lot despite the size of the line up, no doubt my well known biases interfering with the beauty evaluation, and just a bit dark inside after coming in from the sunshine.

I absolutely agree about going for a walk through massage shop streets and keep looking till find something. Recently that resulted in me passing Addict and 102 and Orient and deciding that Mango Prae was acceptable, with Fern absent, was given a very good session, and decided I had got lucky. Previously found extra pretty girls at Boss and Can Cam in Soi 24/1 but can't say if they have anyone nice right now. Have to admit its a long time since took an EZ girl. The standard there dropped off I guess, and Pink Massage became useless to me once the stunning Gaew left there.

Also a fair time since I took SW girls (despite looking in there a few times), or Bongkot since June left, or Angel, or Yoremichi, etc. Also a long time since I looked in Tulip. This was possibly an over reaction to a Tulip visit one day that only had absolute dogs in attendance, and all looked well past it. I don't recall recognising any of them. Hopefully that visit was a complete aberration. Traveler123 was with me at the time, so I think he would back me up the line up that day was just appalling, and he is not a negative type guy and a long time Tulip fan.

Thanks for info on Orient and Honeybee / Kiss. I should give them a closer look in the new year.

Can these two pics, be of the same Sandy at Addict? I think not. The second pic could be just a model used for the publicity shots. Looks far too good. I am literally swooning. I could even ignore the oversize coconuts.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1976128]Your link is corrected.

I don't think one can really get 2 shots at a place like Addict. Web site does not mention it.

Web site does say that no other shop can match the beauty, enthusiasm and professionalism of their shop. However we are getting a lot of reports to the contrary. I am getting the feeling that they started off as well as could be expected, but have declined badly. There are a lot of new girls, and a lot gone.[/QUOTE]Thanks for correcting the previous link.

For the 2 shots at Addict I'm confident that anyone should get at least 1 shot by BJ and also 1 shot by FS. During the session I stated earlier I mentioned that the management had been involved (manager and big boss which is the cashier). The girls in that place must respect strict rules about arriving late or taking days off, or they'll have to give back some money and in the end get fired if it happens too frequently. I guess that there must be some rules about a minimum service that the girl has to deliver to any customer also. If it was not the case, the management would have told me that it's up to the girl whatever service she delivers more than the usual 1 shot.

As an example, I went in their sister shop in Soi 33 (Amethyst shop) quickly after their opening. I have chosen a pretty girl but she was very lazy. She was a real starfish. Yet after my first shot I asked for another one and she gave me the usual bullshit that I would have to give her 1000 more for the 2nd shot. I clearly told her that I 'm aware that the girl has to give a 2nd shot by way of HJ or BJ if requested by the customer and finally I received an new BJ. It was a half-hearted one but at least she did it. So my guess is that if a customer want another shot, he has to make it clear to the girl and he will get it. Girls in that place can make more money than in many other MPs because that shop attracts a lot of customers (mostly Asians, as every time I've been there I saw some Japanese guy entering the shop) , that's the reason why they can keep some strict rules and why the girls are afraid to lose their job. If customers complain about her service she will look not good in front of her boss.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1976211]Right now it seems these places are still viable: Snow white (I don't go there I just see it brought up a lot), mango, orient, honeybee / kiss.[/QUOTE]Not so sure about Mango, but if you are interested in performance, Tulip and Bongkot are still tops. Saeng has seen to that standards have been kept up. Too bad the looks are not so hot.

[QUOTE=*****man;1975890]I can easily think of half a dozen baby-free girls in the PSE shops who are A+, younger and more attractive than Sandy.[/QUOTE]Pray do tell. Who are you referring to? I am having a very hard time finding such.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1976238]
Can these two pics, be of the same Sandy at Addict? I think not. The second pic could be just a model used for the publicity shots. Looks far too good. I am literally swooning. I could even ignore the oversize coconuts.[/QUOTE]You seem to be a really poor judge of photos. Clearly they are both of Sandy and both have been severely photoshopped. I don't know how anyone could swoon over such an obvious photoshop job. I saw her up close yesterday and she's much darker and saggier with quite wrinkly skin. I think you need to just ignore those photoshopped photos as they're so far away from you're getting in real life that they're worthless.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1976275]Pray do tell. Who are you referring to? I am having a very hard time finding such.[/QUOTE]Snow White: Ninja, Emmy, Nonny, View.

Mango: Prae.

Cherry: Yaya, BB and First.

I've only tried the Snow White ones and Nonny's gone home for the time being but the others are baby-free just going by reports. Cherry girls seems to have attitude problems judging by my limited experience there and other reports.

[QUOTE=*****man;1976280]Clearly they are both of Sandy and both have been severely photoshopped.[/QUOTE]No one really falls for girls based on photoshopped pics only. That is so obvious. I am a pessismist who assumes that the real girls are far less pretty than the photos is quite possible. I am also sceptical when people say the real girl looks better than the photos, but not totally impossible.

I was joking around a little re swooning, however I don't see any real similarity between the two pics at all, so I am highly sceptical they are the same girl. I concede that severe photoshopping may produce apparently two different girls. I have not seen the real girl to compare to either. I did say IF a girl looked like the photo for real, I would really go for her. Something hypothetical.

I am surprised that you would say both are CLEARLY Sandy, for such dissimilar pics, IMO. I did put my post in form of a question, to indicate I was not sure if was the same girl or not. Skeptical means not sure. I am a sceptical type not convinced too easily one way or the other.

Several of your posts are heading towards personal attacks, so I wonder if I am really that irritating to give my own opinions on things, and make a few little exaggerated jokes. Maybe some people are a bit too sensitive about certain things.

I admit to launching personal attacks on Francisass due to his persistent intimidation of positive posters in the Annies thread. However I don't see myself as an excessive shit dumper like him.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1976307]I was joking around a little re swooning, however I don't see any real similarity between the two pics at all, so I am highly sceptical they are the same girl. I concede that severe photoshopping may produce apparently two different girls. I have not seen the real girl to compare to either.

I am surprised that you would say both are CLEARLY Sandy, for such dissimilar pics.[/QUOTE]There's no point going round in circles with this one. I'm 100% certain that both of those photos are of the same woman I met yesterday. Your perceptions are different (and wrong).

[QUOTE=*****man;1976311]Your perceptions are different (and wrong).[/QUOTE]I was clearly unsure, being sceptical it was the same girl. If I don't know, that can't be so wrong, as such. You could say my scepticism was not warranted, if you could see a strong similarity that I could not detect.

I wonder if others also see the similarity or not? It could be an example of just how far photoshopping can make a girl look different, however I did not know that photo shopping computers had a magic "make the girl look beautiful" button, while understanding it could obviously slim her down, change her skin colour, remove blemishes distort certain parts of the body too small or too prominent, etc.

I did not know how sophisticated photo shopping has got that any girl could be turned into a gorgeous look. Does this mean that for shopped photography situations, pretty models are no longer needed any more? maybe some photoshopping experts can enlighten us further on this topic.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1976307]

Several of your posts are heading towards personal attacks, so I wonder if I am really that irritating to give my own opinions on things, and make a few little exaggerated jokes. Maybe some people are a bit too sensitive about certain things.
[/QUOTE]I think you're being oversensitive if you consider what I wrote a personal attack. What I do find irritating though is that you seem to think your own opinion is hugely important to other people, when in reality it probably isn't. You derail the thread by trying to turn a minor issue like a touched-up photo into a massive discussion about things that have nothing to do with the subject of the thread. That makes the thread very difficult to navigate as people have to wade through page after page of your posts and the replies which you occasionally elicit in order to see the more useful stuff like field reports. Not every thought you have has to be written down and shared on this forum.

[QUOTE=*****man;1976282]Snow White: Ninja, Emmy, Nonny, View.

Mango: Prae.

Cherry: Yaya, BB and First.

I've only tried the Snow White ones and Nonny's gone home for the time being but the others are baby-free just going by reports. Cherry girls seems to have attitude problems judging by my limited experience there and other reports.[/QUOTE]Thanks much. You the man! Have had all but First, and View. Time for some new experiences! For me Golf is still the only gold standard without a kid still working. Would be great to find others.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1976238]Wow Sandy looked fucking gorgeous in the pic in that old review. Doesn't look the same as current web site pics. Looks a lot skinnier. Has the photo been shrunk? LOL Amazingly the writer wrote that a one hour session leads to no rush, where I consider 1 hour is what I do when I am in a big hurry, so a few things he wrote don't quite gel with me. I never found the Addict line up to be that special from the get go, and always struggled to choose a girl that really appealed a lot despite the size of the line up, no doubt my well known biases interfering with the beauty evaluation, and just a bit dark inside after coming in from the sunshine.

I absolutely agree about going for a walk through massage shop streets and keep looking till find something. Recently that resulted in me passing Addict and 102 and Orient and deciding that Mango Prae was acceptable, with Fern absent, was given a very good session, and decided I had got lucky. Previously found extra pretty girls at Boss and Can Cam in Soi 24/1 but can't say if they have anyone nice right now. Have to admit its a long time since took an EZ girl. The standard there dropped off I guess, and Pink Massage became useless to me once the stunning Gaew left there.

Also a fair time since I took SW girls (despite looking in there a few times), or Bongkot since June left, or Angel, or Yoremichi, etc. Also a long time since I looked in Tulip. This was possibly an over reaction to a Tulip visit one day that only had absolute dogs in attendance, and all looked well past it. I don't recall recognising any of them. Hopefully that visit was a complete aberration. Traveler123 was with me at the time, so I think he would back me up the line up that day was just appalling, and he is not a negative type guy and a long time Tulip fan.

Thanks for info on Orient and Honeybee / Kiss. I should give them a closer look in the new year.

Can these two pics, be of the same Sandy at Addict? I think not. The second pic could be just a model used for the publicity shots. Looks far too good. I am literally swooning. I could even ignore the oversize coconuts.[/QUOTE]I can personally confirm from repeated personal experience that the two pics are of the same Sandy at Addict. I am not saying she looks like that right now, but she can look like that on a good day with professional lighting, make-up and a talented photographer to direct her pose. She may have a few kilos more now, but the photoshopping, to the extent there is any, is not egregious.

I don't think men book Sandy for her looks, although her looks are fine. They book her for her total dedication to, and uncanny talent for, arousing and satisfying the male's desire.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1976211]Addict evaluation again. So a year or 2 ago they were a well reviewed shop: [URL]http://rockitreports.com/review-addict-massage-bangkok-thailand/[/URL].

If you look at the comments section at the bottom, you'll see it starting from quite good (huge lineup, similar to nataree) to getting progressively bad (girls taking 15 minutes to bring water back, listening to K-pop during entire session).

Let's just be real here. Addict sucks currently. Whatever they started with seemed to be good, but perhaps through no fault of their own, such as losing all their good looking girls to Japanese sponsors, they have little-to-nothing of P4 P value. The place is a definite avoid for now. What is confusing is that people are reading the older reports and still showing up LOL. Best thing to do is walk through entire street until you see something you like. You'll probably just want to skip Addict of course as the girls look really plain and try to hide it with lots of make-up and a very defect-concealing uniform.

Right now it seems these places are still viable: Snow white (I don't go there I just see it brought up a lot), mango, orient, honeybee / kiss.[/QUOTE]In what way is this an evaluation if you do not include a field report in it?

And now Ladies and Gentlemen, well just Gentlemen I guess, for something completely different: yes, an actual field report. Ta-daa!

Pink is off on Sundays. Makes you wonder what night club she freelances at Saturday nights.

I booked her before the shop opened and they told she probably wouldn't be in at the open, and to come at 11:30. Not the early riser, then. There was another chick on the front couch doing her make-up who looked pretty fuckable, so it looks like Honeybee have a solid line-up overall. Anyway, Pink showed up, with a cute bright smile, pretty chuffed at having been booked first thing in the morning. She said: I am Pink!

I booked full service in VIP room for 2500. She also does lingam massage, whatever that is, and costumes like nurse or schoolgirl for pervs. Sounds like fun.

Only problem is that halfway through the oil massage some worker next door started on the pneumatic hammer. It felt like he was going to burst through the wall any second, so loud he was. Worst thing is the noise wasn't even regular, you could just picture him starting and stopping and dialing the speed up and down. The least romantic setup ever for a VIP room. I was sure I wouldn't even be able to get it up, so annoyed I was. Oh boy did Pink prove me wrong.

Apart from her lovely smile, and I do mean lovely, one of her strong points is the sensual transition phase after the regular oil massage but before the flip. She probably could have made me come right there. After the flip, nice HJ. The BJ was exceptional. She kept looking at me with those fuck-me eyes. At some point I told her to stop. She looked at me straight and said "because it hurts?" I said "you going to make me cum". So condom, fucked her in all sorts of positions. I finished in sort of the missionary but with her ankles wrapped around my ears. Not many girls can do that. The pneumatic drill was still going on but I could not hear it. The only pneumatic drill I was aware of was my own cock!

WIR? Yes. Weird tattoo on her back, and Lord knows I had plenty of time to look at it as I was taking her doggy-style, so avoid if that turns you off. But apart from that she's definitely bookable.

[QUOTE=EthanHunt123;1975838]....When I asked for 2 shots (in all other places 2 hours means 2 shots) - she says 2 shots only for HJ. But only 1 shot if I wanted to have sex. If I wanted to have sex 2 times. She asked 1 k extra as tip. My bad I didn't walk out immediately as probably the junior took over the thinking. Anyways. I paid up the extra 1 k. But even then she was pretty much a starfish with no enthusiasm. All in all. A disaster. I am sure I was a fool paying 1 k extra for the second shot. Anyone else had similiar experience?[/QUOTE]I think counting cumshots is a wrong way to go about it. Because the key to satisfaction isn't the cumshot. It's lasting for a long time with the lady.

When you cum prematurely with the lady, then you aren't yet satisfied. And that's when you want to have a second ride.

The cumshot by itself doesn't satisfy you. But when you get to ride the lady for a long time, then this does satisfy you. If you spend a good half-hour or so getting to know the chick with your dick, then your cumshot at the end of it probably will be satisfying enough. It's unlikely that you will want to have a second ride with her, unless this chick rejuvenates your dick.

This is because your cumshot lasts only a few seconds. Your pleasure is limited there. But your pleasure in getting to know the chick with your dick is limited only by how long you last with her. You can potentially get a lot more pleasure from nailing the lady for a long time, than from cumming with her at the end.

Cumshot is just a convenient way for the lady to tell the guy that he is finished and done, regardless of whether he is satisfied or not.

From a guy's point of view, it makes more sense to agree with the lady about how long you get to stay with your cock inside her pussy, than about the number of cumshots you get to have with her. Because you need about 30 minutes of your cock inside the lady's pussy to be truly and fully satisfied with her. And the only way to be sure that you will actually get this much time with the lady is to agree with her about this. And I don't mean 30 minutes of non-stop pounding. Sometimes you just want to go balls-deep inside the lady and relax with her like that. Pound her for a while. Then rest balls-deep inside her again.

It's pretty hard to relax and take it easy inside the lady, when you have no agreement with her about how long you can stay inside her. Because the lady can potentially end it at her whim, without a good reason. And this is the kind of thing that leads to a premature ejaculation. It's like you are taking a risk by making it last. You need to do her hard and fast.

And a good solution to this problem is to agree with the lady about how long you get to stay with your cock inside her pussy, rather than about cumshots or something else that's not directly related to your satisfaction.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1976442]In what way is this an evaluation if you do not include a field report in it?[/QUOTE]There is a field report in it. You mean I should write my own? I did write a few for addict in previous posts. The spirit of that post was the dismiss the year old reports and bring a much more accurate picture as mongers keep showing up there with high expectations. It's obvious that prose was too difficult to understand so I'll try to keep it simple for those who don't want to read through the forum posts and past field reports: addict sucks.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1976450]I booked full service in VIP room for 2500. She also does lingam massage, whatever that is, and costumes like nurse or schoolgirl for pervs. Sounds like fun.

Only problem is that halfway through the oil massage some worker next door started on the pneumatic hammer. It felt like he was going to burst through the wall any second, so loud he was. Worst thing is the noise wasn't even regular, you could just picture him starting and stopping and dialing the speed up and down. The least romantic setup ever for a VIP room. I was sure I wouldn't even be able to get it up, so annoyed I was. Oh boy did Pink prove me wrong.[/QUOTE]Which VIP room had all the noise? Were you in the Kiss building or the honeybee one? I'd prefer to avoid that room for sure, I hate that and had to hear a lot of it when I went to the old analisa. I got the standard room at honeybee last week with Pink around the same time, no construction noise.

Nice report, Eric. The noise from next door hotel renovation may not go away for quite some time. Visit the shop at evening times would avoid the problem. The noise is impacting all three sister shops (Honey Bee, Kiss, BKK Passion) which are in the same alley.

I reported some days ago about Pink / Honey Bee. The session was really good and I like her very much. After all was done I got her LINE and told her I would come back to her next time. But recently she quietly dropped me from her LINE! Ha, I guess that I won't go back to see her again.


[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1976450]And now Ladies and Gentlemen, well just Gentlemen I guess, for something completely different: yes, an actual field report. Ta-daa!

Pink is off on Sundays. Makes you wonder what night club she freelances at Saturday nights.

I booked her before the shop opened and they told she probably wouldn't be in at the open, and to come at 11:30. Not the early riser, then. There was another chick on the front couch doing her make-up who looked pretty fuckable, so it looks like Honeybee have a solid line-up overall. Anyway, Pink showed up, with a cute bright smile, pretty chuffed at having been booked first thing in the morning. She said: I am Pink!

I booked full service in VIP room for 2500. She also does lingam massage, whatever that is, and costumes like nurse or schoolgirl for pervs. Sounds like fun.

Only problem is that halfway through the oil massage some worker next door started on the pneumatic hammer. It felt like he was going to burst through the wall any second, so loud he was. Worst thing is the noise wasn't even regular, you could just picture him starting and stopping and dialing the speed up and down. The least romantic setup ever for a VIP room. I was sure I wouldn't even be able to get it up, so annoyed I was. Oh boy did Pink prove me wrong...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1976397]Thanks much. You the man! Have had all but First, and View. Time for some new experiences! For me Golf is still the only gold standard without a kid still working. Would be great to find others.[/QUOTE]View is the only one of those Snow White girls I haven't tried. She was recommended to me by the mamasan as a baby-free girl but was a bit too old for my tastes when I saw her, about the same age as Emmy I would say. She's often busy or booked though so I'm surprised there are no reviews of her around.

First seemed enthusiastic when I saw her but I didn't choose her because she's too tall for my tastes.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1976454]I think counting cumshots is a wrong way to go about it. Because the key to satisfaction isn't the cumshot. It's lasting for a long time with the lady.

When you cum prematurely with the lady, then you aren't yet satisfied. And that's when you want to have a second ride.

The cumshot by itself doesn't satisfy you. But when you get to ride the lady for a long time, then this does satisfy you. If you spend a good half-hour or so getting to know the chick with your dick, then your cumshot at the end of it probably will be satisfying enough. It's unlikely that you will want to have a second ride with her, unless this chick rejuvenates your dick.

This is because your cumshot lasts only a few seconds. Your pleasure is limited there. But your pleasure in getting to know the chick with your dick is limited only by how long you last with her. You can potentially get a lot more pleasure from nailing the lady for a long time, than from cumming with her at the end.

Cumshot is just a convenient way for the lady to tell the guy that he is finished and done, regardless of whether he is satisfied or not.

From a guy's point of view, it makes more sense to agree with the lady about how long you get to stay with your cock inside her pussy, than about the number of cumshots you get to have with her. Because you need about 30 minutes of your cock inside the lady's pussy to be truly and fully satisfied with her. And the only way to be sure that you will actually get this much time with the lady is to agree with her about this. And I don't mean 30 minutes of non-stop pounding. Sometimes you just want to go balls-deep inside the lady and relax with her like that. Pound her for a while. Then rest balls-deep inside her again.

It's pretty hard to relax and take it easy inside the lady, when you have no agreement with her about how long you can stay inside her. Because the lady can potentially end it at her whim, without a good reason. And this is the kind of thing that leads to a premature ejaculation. It's like you are taking a risk by making it last. You need to do her hard and fast.

And a good solution to this problem is to agree with the lady about how long you get to stay with your cock inside her pussy, rather than about cumshots or something else that's not directly related to your satisfaction.[/QUOTE]Dan, it's different for different people. For you that may work. For me draining my balls twice in 90 minutes leaves me satisfied for quite a time. 7 day to 10 days currently. If I pop once I am still revved up no matter how long I am "inside" the gal. I have never had an issue with a PSE gal complaining about being in her too long. And that includes prolonged sessions.

[QUOTE=*****man;1976566]View is the only one of those Snow White girls I haven't tried. She was recommended to me by the mamasan as a baby-free girl but was a bit too old for my tastes when I saw her, about the same age as Emmy I would say. She's often busy or booked though so I'm surprised there are no reviews of her around.

First seemed enthusiastic when I saw her but I didn't choose her because she's too tall for my tastes.[/QUOTE]You have tried everyone but View. You must be a well known happy customer at SW! I had a good session with Benz and a great session with Mei (name on their website is My) more than a year ago. I wanted to see Mei / My again next time. Any comments on her?

[QUOTE=Vodkin;1976581]You have tried everyone but View. You must be a well known happy customer at SW! I had a good session with Benz and a great session with Mei (name on their website is My) more than a year ago. I wanted to see Mei / My again next time. Any comments on her?[/QUOTE]I am very well known there but mainly because I go very often to see Ninja. I meant of the 4 girls who I know to be A+ and baby-free, View is the only one I haven't tried. I haven't tried Mei either. How is her body?

[QUOTE=*****man;1976716]I am very well known there but mainly because I go very often to see Ninja. I meant of the 4 girls who I know to be A+ and baby-free, View is the only one I haven't tried. I haven't tried Mei either. How is her body?[/QUOTE]My has a very good body and I must say one of the most beautiful snatches I have ever seen. I could munch that all day. She is not A+, but rims, and provides all the other essentials. She kind of a funny way about her. By funny I mean a very short attention span. During BBBJ she will do something that feels very good and just abruptly stop even if you ask her to continue. Quite quirky and probably why I have not been a repeat customer.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1976488]Which VIP room had all the noise? Were you in the Kiss building or the honeybee one? I'd prefer to avoid that room for sure, I hate that and had to hear a lot of it when I went to the old analisa. I got the standard room at honeybee last week with Pink around the same time, no construction noise.[/QUOTE]The kiss building, 3rd floor. Next time I'm staying at honeybee like you.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;1976549]Nice report, Eric. The noise from next door hotel renovation may not go away for quite some time. Visit the shop at evening times would avoid the problem. The noise is impacting all three sister shops (Honey Bee, Kiss, BKK Passion) which are in the same alley.

I reported some days ago about Pink / Honey Bee. The session was really good and I like her very much. After all was done I got her LINE and told her I would come back to her next time. But recently she quietly dropped me from her LINE! Ha, I guess that I won't go back to see her again.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't get offended. Mamasan probably made her do it. Mamasan wants her cut. Only fair: Mamasan's got to pay the talent scout. And no talent scout, no Pink.

I used to have a regular at honeybee I would see a lot. I never asked for her line, despite seeing her many times and this would make the scheduling slightly easier. I think because I got a professional, friendly, but non-GFE vibe from her + I was getting tired of adding LINE IDs and having to hide them from the actual GF haha. Anyway, as it turns out, said regular has a Thai BF who also works at honeybee too, so that's a bit awkward and probably good I kept it all professional as well and didn't have my LINE in her phone.

And also before that regular girl, there was another girl who worked there awhile ago called Dao, who was actually quite stunning and young, certainly for an oilly girl. The only reason I even found the place was because I saw this girl sitting inside when I was walking by and she was a head turner. During some kind of pillow talk, I got the impression she was looking for a falang BF because she was very friendly / talkative, and spoke good english and I think she said she had one before, and was asking if I used Tinder. Not sure how I got her LINE ID but I never contacted her and she left honeybee somewhat shortly after I started going there. However, most all the other girls I see currently there, are rather professional and I get the impression that they probably have actual Thai boyfriends as they don't speak much English and prefer to speak Thai. The only girl there I found to provide DFK was Fha, and I have seen about 9 of the girls there. I didn't add her LINE nor repeat with her as I actually don't go there for GFE, but for tantric / lingam and she didn't really seem to provide that or be good at it.

So, morale of the story for that place. I think a lot of the prettier ones there have Thai boyfriends. If they are friendly / GFE / DFK (most aren't GFE in my experience) then I think getting LINE is on the table, if that's what your into. The Thai people want to avoid awkward loss of face for both parties so they will accept a LINE request (in person) but delete it after hoping that you get the idea at a more convenient time. Also she might have a Thai BF nearby so better not to give out the wrong impression too, and get involved with bad drama. Anyway if I really want to book one the girls there, I would just phone in. That has worked well for me as I have good rapport with the mamasan so that's a good thing in the long run actually. Same mamasan, but girls rotate out after about a year.

Hi,

I have been to Mango two days ago and had a session with Prae, when I inquired about using her A+ option, she told me it was now an added 500 thb. It looks like the previous report was correct. Also I checked at the reception desk and didn't see a sign advertising this new option.

[QUOTE=GypsieKing;1977094]Hi,

I have been to Mango two days ago and had a session with Prae, when I inquired about using her A+ option, she told me it was now an added 500 thb. It looks like the previous report was correct. Also I checked at the reception desk and didn't see a sign advertising this new option.[/QUOTE]Are you sure Bongkot has such a fee? Bamboo has had a 500 baht fee from its opening, but I was unaware Bongkot also introduced one (it would have to be recent as a few months ago there was no such fee at Bongkot).

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1977105]Are you sure Bongkot has such a fee? Bamboo has had a 500 baht fee from its opening, but I was unaware Bongkot also introduced one (it would have to be recent as a few months ago there was no such fee at Bongkot).[/QUOTE]Me too, never heard that Bongkot have a 500 baht fee for A+. Maybe a typing mistake?!

Hi, When is Ninja coming back? I stopped by the other day and was told she had gone home for a while. I also heard that she had had a less than happy encounter with some big dick farang who had hurt her A* I hope she is doing well and hope I will meet her when I am back in town.

Greetings!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1976720]My has a very good body and I must say one of the most beautiful snatches I have ever seen. I could munch that all day. She is not A+, but rims, and provides all the other essentials. She kind of a funny way about her. By funny I mean a very short attention span. During BBBJ she will do something that feels very good and just abruptly stop even if you ask her to continue. Quite quirky and probably why I have not been a repeat customer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1977108]Hi, When is Ninja coming back? I stopped by the other day and was told she had gone home for a while. I also heard that she had had a less than happy encounter with some big dick farang who had hurt her A* I hope she is doing well and hope I will meet her when I am back in town.

Greetings![/QUOTE]She was supposed to be back this Monday but I think she's probably reconsidering what she wants to do with her life. The only thing they're saying in Snow White is that she's still in Isaan, which is also what they said when Nonny quit. I don't expect to see either of them back any time soon, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1977108]Hi, When is Ninja coming back? I stopped by the other day and was told she had gone home for a while. I also heard that she had had a less than happy encounter with some big dick farang who had hurt her A* I hope she is doing well and hope I will meet her when I am back in town.

Greetings![/QUOTE]Stop with all this BS about being too injured to work. She went home to celebrate her graduation from University.

[QUOTE=GypsieKing;1977094]Hi,

I have been to Mango two days ago and had a session with Prae, when I inquired about using her A+ option, she told me it was now an added 500 thb. It looks like the previous report was correct. Also I checked at the reception desk and didn't see a sign advertising this new option.[/QUOTE]They're probably not going to make a big thing about it but on their laminated card there's definitely at least one option that mentions the 500 baht surcharge. It's called something like the XXXX special and is a 2 hour option for 3000 baht which includes Nuru or something and A+.

Did you pay the surcharge by the way?

Parkville,

Thank you for the in-depth analysis. It makes a lot of sense. You have seen a lot of girls at Honeybee, do you have comments on Bo? Recently she came back to the shop after a long holiday. I am attempted to book her for a session.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1976990]I used to have a regular at honeybee I would see a lot. I never asked for her line, despite seeing her many times and this would make the scheduling slightly easier. I think because I got a professional, friendly, but non-GFE vibe from her + I was getting tired of adding LINE IDs and having to hide them from the actual GF haha. Anyway, as it turns out, said regular has a Thai BF who also works at honeybee too, so that's a bit awkward and probably good I kept it all professional as well and didn't have my LINE in her phone.

And also before that regular girl, there was another girl who worked there awhile ago called Dao, who was actually quite stunning and young, certainly for an oilly girl...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1977128]Stop with all this BS about being too injured to work. She went home to celebrate her graduation from University.[/QUOTE]I know that already but should you be sharing it? She pretends to her customers (including me) that she stopped studying after high school. I just go along with it. She's entitled to separate her working and personal life.

Her graduation ceremony was last week and she was due back on Monday. Maybe her graduation day has caused her to rethink her life.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1976578]Dan, it's different for different people. For you that may work. For me draining my balls twice in 90 minutes leaves me satisfied for quite a time. 7 day to 10 days currently. If I pop once I am still revved up no matter how long I am "inside" the gal. I have never had an issue with a PSE gal complaining about being in her too long. And that includes prolonged sessions.[/QUOTE]I'd say that waiting for 7 to 10 days, without any sex at all, is liable to make any guy insatiable with his girl. (I assume there is no masturbation either.)

It's true that in some situations, such as yours, you need to agree with the lady about both the time you get to ride her and the number of cumshots you get to have with her. And at some places, the ladies might be okay with letting you have as much as you want on both accounts.

But it's not realistic for most guys to restrict themselves to such places. Because it's not just about sex. It's also about the looks. You are bound to see some sexy chick, whom you want to nail with your dick, at some other place. And sure, she might be more difficult to deal with, than some other less good-looking lady. But you still want to nail her. And that's why you go after her anyway.

My point here is that counting cumshots can put a guy at a disadvantage, especially when you get only one cumshot with the lady. Because the lady might get you off quickly and be done with you, before you are truly and fully satisfied with her. Which is a bad experience for a guy to have.

But this situation won't arise, if you agree with the lady about how much time you get to spend with your cock inside her pussy. If your agreement is 30 minutes, for example. Then it's cum or no cum, you aren't yet done. You go right back inside for another ride. And it's all fair and square, as far as both you and the lady are concerned.

The problem here is that you and the lady have a conflict of interest. The lady would rather get you off quickly and be done with you. Because this is less work for the same amount of money. But you want the opposite. You want to make it last. Because when you pay a certain amount of money, then you want to have a certain amount of experience.

Perhaps one-cumshot might be a reasonable limit for a lady to set for her guy, provided that she also agrees to let you stay inside her for a good half-hour. Because in this situation, you will take it easy with the lady to make it last. You won't destroy her pussy by pounding her all the time. Which is what the lady wants. And you get a part of what you want too. Because you get to make it last, provided that you keep control and don't destroy the pussy of your girl.

[QUOTE=*****man;1977135]I know that already but should you be sharing it? She pretends to her customers (including me) that she stopped studying after high school. I just go along with it. She's entitled to separate her working and personal life.

Her graduation ceremony was last week and she was due back on Monday. Maybe her graduation day has caused her to rethink her life.[/QUOTE]If the post is a public post on Facebook, it can be shared. I'm just curious, if she pretends to even you that she stopped studying after high school, how did you know about it? Anyways, this particular photo is from a public post and profile shared with all her regular customers. If you noticed, I cut out the top with her name. At the end of the day, it's just a public photo of her with no other identifying marks. Anyways, she'll be back. They all come back when they miss the money.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1977163]If the post is a public post on Facebook, it can be shared. I'm just curious, if she pretends to even you that she stopped studying after high school, how did you know about it? Anyways, this particular photo is from a public post and profile shared with all her regular customers. If you noticed, I cut out the top with her name. At the end of the day, it's just a public photo of her with no other identifying marks. Anyways, she'll be back. They all come back when they miss the money.[/QUOTE]I've known about that Facebook page for a while but she's not the one who gave it to me. I didn't realise she shared it with her regular customers. I've always found it odd that she's got pictures of herself at Snow White on a page she shares with her friends and family. Could you or someone else send her a private message on Facebook or Line asking her when she's coming back? I never share contact details with P4 P girls.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1975865]Anyway, I walked past Addict, ignoring their "more girls inside" sales pitch and headed over to Orient. Where I saw a really hot girl (and pretty good / great service, not PSE) named Pope (she pronounces it Bo-Pei). Pope is like a hot (thai) girl next door type of look. Down to earth but hot body, attractive / hot face. The pictures on their website don't do her much justice. Also, her tits are all natural and really well sized for a Thai girl. Also FYI, other girls there worth checking out: Donut and Tan. Tan is quite good service-wise, and Donut is a nice girl, not all bitter like that one you saw at Addict.[/QUOTE]Well, maybe we're not talking about the same Addict. Where else can you find 11 girls in the line-up at 11 am? I'm not sure Addict is competitive past 5 pm, but I never made that point.

Having said that, I was curious about your championing of Orient, so I decided to look it up. I realized that it was the place I walked by many times on my way to Addict. I never walked in, because I felt the girls on the outside bench were too eager to lure in the unsuspecting customer, so I smelled a scam, but given that you shared with this community 3 specific names of worthy girls, I figured I'd give it a random shot. As you can imagine, this being Thailand, none of the 3 were present. I had 4 girls to choose from: three dogs and Lisa. Petite spinner with nice curves, a bright smile and a winning attitude! I was the first customer of the day.

I picked her and I am glad to say the VIP room with large bathtub is, for a change, completely noise-free. She is a winner. Nice natural tits. One of the rare girls in the market who offers a tit-job without being asked to. Downside was the CBJ, but I had my eyes on the prize, which was the FS, so I let her do whatever built her comfort.

Intromission was somewhat difficult, so I gently rubbed my thumb on her clit, and everything was better after that. Some baby damage, but not much, and quite frankly I didn't care anymore at that point. I genuinely think I made her cum in the cowgirl position, based on a few clues that happened before and after. I achieved a more-athletic-than-usual orgasm myself by taking her doggy-style. She's from Sukhotai.

On the way out, I saw another hottie who looked like Pope's picture on the website, but I did not confirm her name in front of Lisa: running the jealousy plot has its limitations. All in all, a good addition to the roster, but it looks like they can't get many of their A-team out of bed before noon.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1977105]Are you sure Bongkot has such a fee? Bamboo has had a 500 baht fee from its opening, but I was unaware Bongkot also introduced one (it would have to be recent as a few months ago there was no such fee at Bongkot).[/QUOTE]I'd say that 500 B for A+ is a very reasonable surcharge to have. This is a positive development for both ladies and guys.

Because now, instead of looking at it as extra work, the ladies will see it as a way to make extra money.

Instead of discouraging guys from asking for A+, these ladies will now try to convert their pussy guys into A+ guys. It's like you just need to say the word, and the lady will pound you with her ass in reverse-cowgirl. This is a great situation for guys to have.

[QUOTE=*****man;1977172]I've known about that Facebook page for a while but she's not the one who gave it to me. I didn't realise she shared it with her regular customers. I've always found it odd that she's got pictures of herself at Snow White on a page she shares with her friends and family. Could you or someone else send her a private message on Facebook or Line asking her when she's coming back? I never share contact details with P4 P girls.[/QUOTE]Actually, she has 2 Facebook pages, one for one circle of friends and one for another. I asked her the same question and did not get an answer. How did you find the one Facebook of hers? She must of told you her nickname because it's not under the name Ninja, but she uses her family name on both pages and neither Facebook is linked to her phone number. If you PM me the name she knows you by, I'll ask her if I can give you her phone number. Of course this is at a risk of letting her know about our little secret here so I'll have to make up a cover story about how we know each other.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977205]
Instead of discouraging guys from asking for A+, these ladies will now try to convert their pussy guys into A+ guys. It's like you just need to say the word, and the lady will pound you with her ass in reverse-cowgirl. This is a great situation for guys to have.[/QUOTE]Even in shops where A+ is normal and free, I don't find girls offering it to me if I don't mention / request it, more than once every two years. LOL Hence I don't even know which girls provide A+, for most part.

If they were to receive a money bonus, I could be getting a lot more offers, perhaps. Might actually take it more, if the girl seemed really keen on it.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1975865] Anyway, I walked past Addict, ignoring their "more girls inside" sales pitch and headed over to Orient. Where I saw a really hot girl (and pretty good / great service, not PSE) named Pope (she pronounces it Bo-Pei). Pope is like a hot (thai) girl next door type of look. Down to earth but hot body, attractive / hot face. [/QUOTE]Seems this name is not all that uncommon. Boss Massage had a "Pupe" I think was their spelling. A tiny girl. It was pronounced something like Bpoo-pay I believe. I am not 100% sure since have not seen the Thai spelling. So yes agreed it has two syllables and sounds nothing like Pope at all.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977227]Seems this name is not all that uncommon. Boss Massage had a "Pupe" I think was their spelling. A tiny girl. It was pronounced something like Bpoo-pay I believe. I am not 100% sure since have not seen the Thai spelling. So yes agreed it has two syllables and sounds nothing like Pope at all.[/QUOTE]Yeah I don't think she is going to get a Papal appointment anytime soon LOL.

I'm stuck in Thailand for 10 days due to a visa run. This give me plenty of time to try a lot of places out. Folks, give me a list of at least 10 places to visit! I'm considering a hotel near Soi cowboy. I may also consider a few days in Pattaya.

Recently I noticed some report and comment posts on Honey Bee and Kiss. I am wondering if anyone has noticed New Massage off Soi 33 [URL]http://newmassages.com/store[/URL] , some girls on their website are listed on Honey Bee, Kiss and Passion on Soi 22 (Soda, A, Cake Fha etc.). Is New Massage another sister shop of Honey Bee? I hope that someone may bring some light on this.

Hi fellow mongers,

I need some advice from you guys. Just had a lot of fun at my friend's bachelor party in Sydney so my wallet is not feeling too great at the moment. I'll be in Bangkok for one day next week and I'd like to know what's the most value for money MP around. I've tried to RTFF but there are so many damn choices that I'm pretty much overwhelmed with information after reading 10 pages. So yeah, hook a brother up with some info please. I'm more interested in service / enthusiasm than looks. Let me know the damage please and the details if possible (number of shots, services offered, etc.).

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977205]I'd say that 500 B for A+ is a very reasonable surcharge to have. This is a positive development for both ladies and guys.

Because now, instead of looking at it as extra work, the ladies will see it as a way to make extra money.

Instead of discouraging guys from asking for A+, these ladies will now try to convert their pussy guys into A+ guys. It's like you just need to say the word, and the lady will pound you with her ass in reverse-cowgirl. This is a great situation for guys to have.[/QUOTE]Nice tangent you went off on, but do you have anything to contribute regarding my question, which you were supposedly responding to, about whether Bongkot has introduced a 500 baht fee for anal?

[QUOTE=JPMorgan;1977299]I'm stuck in Thailand for 10 days due to a visa run. This give me plenty of time to try a lot of places out. Folks, give me a list of at least 10 places to visit! I'm considering a hotel near Soi cowboy. I may also consider a few days in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Look on these websites:

Bangkok.

[URL]http://bangkokredeye.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bangkok-nightlife-guide.com/[/URL]

Pattaya.

[URL]http://pattaya-funtown.com/gogo_pattaya/[/URL]

[URL]http://pattayaredeye.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.pattayasexguide.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://lovepattayathailand.com/pattaya-nightlife/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977205]I'd say that 500 B for A+ is a very reasonable surcharge to have. This is a positive development for both ladies and guys.

Because now, instead of looking at it as extra work, the ladies will see it as a way to make extra money.[/QUOTE]This leads to the a-la-carte approach to sex services, and I don't like it the least bit. Seems OK if it stops with A+, but it's a slippery slope leading to surcharges for BBBJ, CIM, DFK, DATY, taking off the bra, an extra shot. You can make the identical argument for each of those.

PSE shops are supposed to be about the girl giving you the best service possible within the time you paid for. Of course, some girls are uncomfortable with A+ and that's fine, it's always good to ask upfront anyway. However, if the girl is willing to do A+, turning it into an upsell item is never to the customer's benefit. With a girl who already does A+, you pay more (you lose), with a girl who would only do it for the extra money, you get bad, unenthusiastic and reluctant A+ that she'd rather not do (you lose again).

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977150]But this situation won't arise, if you agree with the lady about how much time you get to spend with your cock inside her pussy. If your agreement is 30 minutes, for example. Then it's cum or no cum, you aren't yet done. You go right back inside for another ride. And it's all fair and square, as far as both you and the lady are concerned.
[/QUOTE]The overwhelming majority of guys (a) don't have supremely good control over when they'll cum to make best use of the exact allotted time and (b) lose interest and the erection after they shoot and don't care to keep their dick inside the pussy for long after they cum.

If what you're referring to is making a deal with only time specified with unlimited cumshots, I'm all for that, but in that case you MUST clearly agree on unlimited cumshots, otherwise the woman will always assume one. I read somewhere that an average guy lasts 2-4 minutes, so clearly this is not satisfying except for those who enjoy keeping their (usually soft) dick inside for the other 55 minutes of the agreed hour.

You seem to have unusual preferences, and that's fine, but it's unrealistic to assume others people are the same.

I find time-based arrangements a bit misleading, since most people are after the action, not after time. In most restaurants you pay per dish, not per time spent there. Sure, there are some quirky Japanese buffets that charge you per time, but in those it's always unlimited action, if they also assumed only one dish within the given time, they'd have no customers.

[QUOTE=JPMorgan;1977299]I'm stuck in Thailand for 10 days due to a visa run. This give me plenty of time to try a lot of places out. Folks, give me a list of at least 10 places to visit! I'm considering a hotel near Soi cowboy. I may also consider a few days in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Some places to look in Bangkok. I suggest that you do not need to take a girl in any of these unless she is really exciting:

Oily MPs: Tulip, Snow White, Mango, Orient, and whole of Soi 24/1 (for just quick look for any talent).

Soapies: La Belle, Darling are not far away.

Bars: Crazy House, Baccara, Suzie Wong Lesbian show, Twisters, Billboard, Rainbow 5. Daytime: Stumble Inn or Morning Night.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;1977303]Recently I noticed some report and comment posts on Honey Bee and Kiss. I am wondering if anyone has noticed New Massage off Soi 33 [URL]http://newmassages.com/store[/URL] , some girls on their website are listed on Honey Bee, Kiss and Passion on Soi 22 (Soda, A, Cake Fha etc.). Is New Massage another sister shop of Honey Bee? I hope that someone may bring some light on this.[/QUOTE]I have visited New Massage. I believed the owner used to be affiliated with Dream Heaven next door. Prices seem a bit higher at New. The girl I liked is not pictured on the website. I did not yet spot any other beauty there in attendance despite some of the website pics looking okay To good (with shopping). Real girl sometimes does not live up to the pic I guess and some were just not there at the time.

I don't know if New is affiliated with the other MPs in Soi 22. Does it really matter? Clearly the girls cannot be in all 4 shops at the same time. Perhaps they show up at particular shows when a booking occurs, or do outcall.

Take into account that sometimes MPs show girls who don't really work there any longer, however that may not be the case.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1977390]This leads to the a-la-carte approach to sex services, and I don't like it the least bit. Seems OK if it stops with A+, but it's a slippery slope leading to surcharges for BBBJ, CIM, DFK, DATY, taking off the bra, an extra shot. You can make the identical argument for each of those.

PSE shops are supposed to be about the girl giving you the best service possible within the time you paid for. Of course, some girls are uncomfortable with A+ and that's fine, it's always good to ask upfront anyway. However, if the girl is willing to do A+, turning it into an upsell item is never to the customer's benefit. With a girl who already does A+, you pay more (you lose), with a girl who would only do it for the extra money, you get bad, unenthusiastic and reluctant A+ that she'd rather not do (you lose again).[/QUOTE]The a la carte menu reminds me of Club K5 in Prague. When I entered the club a number of years ago I was told a menu of services with prices attached, including such things as DFK, etc. I suppose it was no coincidence I went there once, and only once as it made the sex seem that much more like a mere business transaction.

As to the 500 baht surcharge for A+, I have a few ideas as to why a couple of places have added it. The most obvious is prices at oilies have remained constant for more than ten years, and it might be an attempt to extract a bit more money from customers without a general price increase. But the less obvious possibility stems from the fact (at least I think it is a fact) that many of the PSE oilies have fewer girls these days who are willing to do A+. This might reflect that with the improving economy it is becoming more difficult to get girls to work in these places, and even more difficult getting girls willing to do A+. But I suspect the non A+ girls get significantly fewer customers, and for this reason being a non-A+ girl may not be so profitable. Perhaps the thinking is if there is a 500 baht surcharge for A+, more guys will simply go with standard service thereby bringing more business to the non-A+ girls, in turn making it easier to recruit and retain them. I'm not sure whether this is how things actually work out, but it might be one rationale for why some of the shops are charging extra for A+, I. E. , in an attempt to direct some business to girls who do not do A+ so they do not leave their employment owing to lack of customers.

Just an idea that may or may not be true.

[QUOTE=TheManSam;1977314]Hi fellow mongers,

I need some advice from you guys. Just had a lot of fun at my friend's bachelor party in Sydney so my wallet is not feeling too great at the moment. I'll be in Bangkok for one day next week and I'd like to know what's the most value for money MP around. I've tried to RTFF but there are so many damn choices that I'm pretty much overwhelmed with information after reading 10 pages. So yeah, hook a brother up with some info please. I'm more interested in service / enthusiasm than looks. Let me know the damage please and the details if possible (number of shots, services offered, etc.).[/QUOTE]I do realize that you specified MP. My own experience on value for money in general is the FL talent. It can be a crapshoot like in any venue but I've pulled 2 very good providers from Nana parking this week. 1,000 baht for one and 1,500 for the other. I might have negotiated on the 2nd one but I found her to be a very attractive spinner. No baby damage on either. The 2nd one claims to be 30. Only the tiny crows feet suggest otherwise. She has the body of an 18 yo and the appetite of a 32 yo. Both experiences surpassed my 2 most recent trips to oilies and at one half and one third of the price.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1977425]
As to the 500 baht surcharge for A+, I have a few ideas as to why a couple of places have added it. The most obvious is prices at oilies have remained constant for more than ten years, and it might be an attempt to extract a bit more money from customers without a general price increase. But the less obvious possibility stems from the fact (at least I think it is a fact) that many of the PSE oilies have fewer girls these days who are willing to do A+. This might reflect that with the improving economy it is becoming more difficult to get girls to work in these places, and even more difficult getting girls willing to do A+. But I suspect the non A+ girls get significantly fewer customers, and for this reason being a non-A+ girl may not be so profitable. Perhaps the thinking is if there is a 500 baht surcharge for A+, more guys will simply go with standard service thereby bringing more business to the non-A+ girls, in turn making it easier to recruit and retain them. I'm not sure whether this is how things actually work out, but it might be one rationale for why some of the shops are charging extra for A+, I. E. , in an attempt to direct some business to girls who do not do A+ so they do not leave their employment owing to lack of customers.
[/QUOTE]I don't like all the extras upsell and yes I agree, that lack of a price hike for the girls is part of the problem. At many shops girls get 1400 from the take (yes not even 1500) and it is not just worthwhile to include anal for this price, and these non PSE shops have few girls doing Anal. At one shop the girl said her take was only 1300 (unverified). Girls also get charged various deductions and fines.

I reckon the PSE shops, if they had an all in price, could set two tiers of pricing. The 1500 FS girls, and a slightly higher number for the superstars and A+ girls, but still have the prices as all inclusive so upsell would not be necessary. I think the superstar and A+ girls do deserve to make more than the ordinary girls. Many customers don't tip, so tipping does not allow best girls to make more money reliably. Perhaps the higher tier girls could make 1800 instead of 1500?

Just a wild idea, although we note that some shops (Mitu) already have special gold or platinum class girls for a different amount to standard girls. Pricing tiers has been there so many years already with soapies of course (without any relevance to A+)

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1977207]Actually, she has 2 Facebook pages, one for one circle of friends and one for another. I asked her the same question and did not get an answer. How did you find the one Facebook of hers? She must of told you her nickname because it's not under the name Ninja, but she uses her family name on both pages and neither Facebook is linked to her phone number. If you PM me the name she knows you by, I'll ask her if I can give you her phone number. Of course this is at a risk of letting her know about our little secret here so I'll have to make up a cover story about how we know each other.[/QUOTE]I've seen the Facebook pages of lots of the girls at Snow White, including Nonny. That's how I knew about her Korean boyfriend. I like stalking them but I never contact them. Snow White is closed for 3 days over the new year so Ninja's clearly not going to come back before then. Given that she's a graduate she could make more money as an escort couldn't she? Just needs to improve her English skills. I'd be pleasantly surprised to see her back at Snow White.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977205]I'd say that 500 B for A+ is a very reasonable surcharge to have. This is a positive development for both ladies and guys.

Because now, instead of looking at it as extra work, the ladies will see it as a way to make extra money.

Instead of discouraging guys from asking for A+, these ladies will now try to convert their pussy guys into A+ guys. It's like you just need to say the word, and the lady will pound you with her ass in reverse-cowgirl. This is a great situation for guys to have.[/QUOTE]Positive? I don't think so. As LA Guy said; it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know it will be all a al carte. Nope, "all girls do everything" which was Saeng's mantra is the way to go. Most of these gals are quite lazy and won't care about the 500 Baht.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977224]Even in shops where A+ is normal and free, I don't find girls offering it to me if I don't mention / request it, more than once every two years. LOL Hence I don't even know which girls provide A+, for most part.

If they were to receive a money bonus, I could be getting a lot more offers, perhaps. Might actually take it more, if the girl seemed really keen on it.[/QUOTE]Yes, when A+ is free, then this is like extra work for no extra money. A lot of women probably see this kind of thing as unfair. Which discourages them from doing it. It's like you need to pursue the chick with your dick to get her to do A+ with you. And even then, she might say 'No' to you, just because she thinks it's unfair.

But when you introduce a 500 B surcharge for A+, then this changes the situation completely. Because now the lady has something to gain from getting you to go A+ on her. It's like you aren't safe with the A+ lady anymore as a pussy-only guy. She will tease you with her nice ass and make corny jokes about you doing her A+.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1977425]Perhaps the thinking is if there is a 500 baht surcharge for A+, more guys will simply go with standard service thereby bringing more business to the non-A+ girls, in turn making it easier to recruit and retain them. [/QUOTE]Or perhaps guys who are looking for A+ will go to Snow White, Tulip, Sky and will avoid the 500 baht surcharge, everything is possible.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977472]Positive? I don't think so. As LA Guy said; it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know it will be all a al carte. Nope, "all girls do everything" which was Saeng's mantra is the way to go. Most of these gals are quite lazy and won't care about the 500 Baht.[/QUOTE]Agree, isn't positive at all, a-la-carte menu like FKK isn't good.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977472]Positive? I don't think so. As LA Guy said; it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know it will be all a al carte. Nope, "all girls do everything" which was Saeng's mantra is the way to go. Most of these gals are quite lazy and won't care about the 500 Baht.[/QUOTE]The ladies probably also say that that it's a slippery slope, when they do A+ for free. First it's A+ for free. Then guys will want something else for free too. And eventually it will get so bad that it won't be worthwhile for them to do P4P anymore.

You need to recognize that the ladies and guys have opposing interests to some extent. Which requires a compromise, where both sides get a part of what they want. Or else it's no deal.

Sure, it can be a slippery slope either for guys or for ladies, depending on who gets to have their way. But this kind of thing destroys the market. The only way the market can work is when you have a compromise. And 500B for A+ is a very reasonable compromise that does something for both ladies and guys.

The thing that makes A+ different from everything else is that virtually all ladies normally do everything else, but only some ladies do A+. A+ is a special service. It's not like everything else. And that's why it needs to be recognized as separate and different in terms of compensation for the ladies. Or else A+ is not even on the menu, let alone the lady encouraging you to go A+ on her.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977481]The ladies probably also say that that it's a slippery slope, when they do A+ for free. First it's A+ for free. [/QUOTE]For Free? LOL you pay 1500 baht for her service, this is not free. No one force the girls to do A+, if a girl provide A+ is her choice.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977481]The thing that makes A+ different from everything else is that virtually all ladies normally do everything else, but only some ladies do A+. [/QUOTE]Not true, not all girls provide CIM or rimjob, so girls could start to ask extra tip for CIM and rimjob also. Or make a BBBJ extra, on another board I read a report from guy that got a CBJ from BB in Cherry Massage.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977481]A+ is a special service. It's not like everything else. And that's why it needs to be recognized as separate and different in terms of compensation for the ladies. [/QUOTE]This is just your idea, IME (I always go for A+) when girls not ask the tip for anal they always provide a good A+ service, when the girls ask for tip often is mean they don't want to do and try to earn more money for a bad service.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1977392]The overwhelming majority of guys (a) don't have supremely good control over when they'll cum to make best use of the exact allotted time ....[/QUOTE]I'd say that the majority of guys actually have extremely good control. It's just that they aren't in a good position to use it with their girl.

Virtually all guys masturbate, according to any sex-statistics you read. And you probably know this even from your own experience that you can make your pleasure last, rather than just do it hard and fast. It's not difficult for any guy to make his masturbation pleasure last for some time and not cum right away.

You can use the same technique to nail the lady with your dick. You just need to do the lady the same way you do it yourself with your hand. Which isn't hard to do, when you are on top of the lady, and you are doing all the work with her.

Basically, it's all about taking frequent breaks, instead of doing it non-stop all the time. You take a break, when start coming close to orgasm, then do it again. That's what enables you to last for a long time. And I think guys masturbate like this all the time, when they watch porn. This is something every guy knows how to do.

The thing that stops guys from lasting for a long time with their lady like this is the social situation during their penetration. You have no agreement with the lady about how long you can stay with your cock inside her pussy. And you have no idea if she will let you go back inside, if you pull out even for a moment.

This is a very insecure situation for the guy to be in. And that's why he does it in a totally different way, from the way he normally masturbates himself. Feeling insecure with the lady makes the guy do her all the time, non-stop. Which more often than not leads to a premature pop.

But it doesn't have to be this way, at least not in a P4P type of situation. You can agree with the lady on a 30-minute cock-inside-pussy ride, with only one cumshot allowed. And then you can feel safe enough to make yourself last with her, the way you normally make yourself last during masturbation.

I've watched quite a few porn scenes. And according to my estimate, the lady usually gets nailed for about 25-30 minutes in an average porn scene. And taking frequent breaks is the way guys last this long with their lady. You almost never see the guy get on top and pound the lady non-stop. It's always a little bit of oral. A quick pussy ride. Back to oral. Back to pussy in a different position. They change positions frequently, with some oral breaks in between. Then it might be some anal for the lady, if she is so inclined. But the key in all of this is the frequent breaks the guy takes. This is why he lasts so long.

Pull out, then go back inside. That's what enables you to last for a long time during the ride. But you need to be sure and secure that the lady will let you go back inside after you pull out of her. And that's why you need that agreement about how long you get to ride her pussy, even if you get only one cumshot with her.

Porn scenes are a good example of how it can be done. And it is a fact that vast majority of porn-scenes show only one cumshot. Guys make themselves last by taking frequent breaks with their lady. And it works for these guys, because they have an agreement with their lady about the time they get to ride her pussy or ass.

I think virtually every guy can do it like this. Because it's not possible to cum, when you aren't nailing the lady's bum. All you need to do is pull out. Take a quick break. Then plunge back inside for another ride.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1977484]....No one force the girls to do A+, if a girl provide A+ is her choice....[/QUOTE]It's not much of a choice, when the lady doesn't get paid for it. This is like going to a store and giving the owner a choice to give you something for free on top of what you buy.

Sure, sometimes the owner might give you a free trinket to keep good relations with you. But you won't get much, and you won't get it every time.

That's the way it is with ladies doing A+ for free, on top of what you pay for.

If you want the lady to tease you with her ass and invite you for A+, then you need to encourage her choice with some good compensation. Or else it's not much of a choice for her. Because she has no incentive to do it.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977205]I'd say that 500 B for A+ is a very reasonable surcharge to have. This is a positive development for both ladies and guys.

Because now, instead of looking at it as extra work, the ladies will see it as a way to make extra money.

Instead of discouraging guys from asking for A+, these ladies will now try to convert their pussy guys into A+ guys. It's like you just need to say the word, and the lady will pound you with her ass in reverse-cowgirl. This is a great situation for guys to have.[/QUOTE]This is nothing more than a price increase. If the former "all anal (A+) inclusive" price at the PSE shops was 2000 be, then the new price should be 1500 be "without anal" with an add-on option for anal at 500 be. Then we are at parity pricing and the ladies will really see providing anal as a way to make extra money. As the current approach stands, the girl can now provide a more restricted set of services for the same price as previous and the punter has to upgrade to get to the same point as previous. Next they will offer a-la-carte upsell options such as +200 be for kissing, +300 be for BBBJ, etc.

In my purely personal ideal of how an oily experience would go, I would walk into a shop where the receptionist would hand me an iPad with a list of options. I would tick all the options that fit my taste / desire at that particular moment. For example, I would tick DFK, BBBJ, rimming, BBFS, no baby, 18-25 yo and the system would spit out which girls matched criterion and their price. I could then select by the photos or ask for a lineup of all the girls that were of that profile to check out their in-person looks. Before going to the room, I would be happy to pre-pay as long as the girl pre-confirmed her understanding of my "ticklist of requirements" with a sign on the dotted line of committment. Of course this is just a dream. These McFuck places are just going to be what they are and service innovation is just wishful thinking. As many members observe, these shops require quite a bit of search with hit-and-miss results. Any girl that is spectacular will be short-lived. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1977507]This is nothing more than a price increase....[/QUOTE]I agree that a price increase isn't the best thing for guys. But having limited opportunity and choice for A+ isn't the best thing for guys either.

You get what you pay for. Which isn't much, when you don't pay anything.

Sure, there are some ladies who are doing A+ for free. But many of these ladies probably do it because they are less attractive than other ladies. This is their way to attract guys, who otherwise might not be attracted to them.

Looks are important too. And if you want better-looking ladies to start doing A+ with their guys, including you, then you need to provide some incentive for them. Or else they won't do it.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977506]It's not much of a choice, when the lady doesn't get paid for it. This is like going to a store and giving the owner a choice to give you something for free on top of what you buy.
Sure, sometimes the owner might give you a free trinket to keep good relations with you. But you won't get much, and you won't get it every time.
That's the way it is with ladies doing A+ for free, on top of what you pay for.
If you want the lady to tease you with her ass and invite you for A+, then you need to encourage her choice with some good compensation. Or else it's not much of a choice for her. Because she has no incentive to do it.[/QUOTE]Your comparison makes absolutely no sense to me, you can not compare the seller of a shop that sells items with a girl selling her own body. How you can say that she doesn't get paid? Girls in PSE don't do nothing for free, they give you a service for 1500 baht plus massage fee to the shop. In the PSE shop not all ladies provide A+ so this is mean no one force them to do A+, is their body and they choose if do Anal or not. Some girls choose to not do A+, some choose to do A+, again is their choise.

Then you can try to draw other execuses, but would not change the speech. If you feel bad to go in a PSE shop and fuck girls in the ass for 1500 baht you can always give them 500-1000 or more baht for tip.
If i have to pay more for A+ i want also a more good quality of girls. Is no sense to pay more for the same low quality and old girls.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1977511]....
If i have to pay more for A+ i want also a more good quality of girls. Is no sense to pay more for the same low quality and old girls.[/QUOTE]More money leads to more girls, and better-looking girls too.

It's just that this kind of thing takes time to happen. It doesn't happen overnight.

First, you start paying more money. The ladies start boasting to each other about how much money they've made. Then this encourages other ladies to join in the fun and have you nail their bum.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1977511]Your comparison makes absolutely no sense to me, you can not compare the seller of a shop that sells items with a girl selling her own body. How you can say that she doesn't get paid? Girls in PSE don't do nothing for free, they give you a service for 1500 baht plus massage fee to the shop. In the PSE shop not all ladies provide A+ so this is mean no one force them to do A+, is their body and they choose if do Anal or not. Some girls choose to not do A+, some choose to do A+, again is their choise.

Then you can try to draw other execuses, but would not change the speech. If you feel bad to go in a PSE shop and fuck girls in the ass for 1500 baht you can always give them 500-1000 or more baht for tip.
If i have to pay more for A+ i want also a more good quality of girls. Is no sense to pay more for the same low quality and old girls.[/QUOTE]Yes some girls don't like it and they would rather forego business than do it for free (no additional charge). For extra money, just a few of the borderline ones might change their mind.

Pay me a million Baht, and I might take one up there myself. LOL Just to illustrate everyone has their price. Pay the girl enough and she will surely do it. For just 500, only a few might change their mind.

Indeed I think making the girl suffer, is worthy of a tip. A buddy of mine told me proudly, he had paid the girl a premium to fuck her ass, and so to make sure he got his money's worth, he claimed to have fucked her ass for almost 60 minutes.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977538]
Pay me a million Baht, and I might take one up there myself. LOL Just to illustrate everyone has their price. Pay the girl enough and she will surely do it. For just 500, only a few might change their mind.
[/QUOTE]You are right. Everybody has their price, but my price is not 1,000,000 baht, approx $27,800; no way! But for a $1,000,000 US dollars, yes, I would make my cherry ass available for 30 minutes, one shot only, after 7 or 8 Tequilas. Wire transfer payment required in advance. Any takers? 555.

I jest, but this is all based on very sound economic laws of the labor market. In theory, there is no job so hazardous, onerous, or difficult that can't find an adequate supply of labor at the right price. Handling radioactive waste was the example my economics professor used in the classroom. But taking it up the ass is a similar example except that for some, taking it up the ass is a turn on, so I wouldn't expect workers who like it to demand extra compsensation to do it. Thus I always assumed Tulip porno performers, for example, liked it up the asss and that's why they readily included it in their repertoire at no additional cost. An alternative explanation is that the anal girls are less attractive girls facing lower demand than other more attractive girls in the buisness, so they offered this service as a way to attract more customers. In either scenario I don't see why more $$$ should be asked for. This extra pricing phenomenon is not a good thing. Only in the case of a really hot in demand girl could the higher price be somewhat justified economically.

Finally let me add that I am not into shagging girls in the ass even when I am under the impression they want it and are enjoying it becasue I prefer vaginal intercourse. But I would like anal sex even less if I thought that the girl didn't like it either and was doing it only for the extra baht. That would really turn me off.

[QUOTE=*****man;1977461]Snow White is closed for 3 days over the new year so Ninja's clearly not going to come back before then.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know if it's common for the shops to close up around the new year? My stopover happens to fall around that time, and Snow White was on my visit-list. How likely am I to find a locked door at Tulip, Mango, or the other PSE oilies?

Is it appropriate to openly ask mamasan which girls did not have a baby during the lineup?

I don't want to offend the ladies, but also last couple of times the girls had stretch marks, not awful but quite bad, so I'd rather avoid those next time.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1977570]
Finally let me add that I am not into shagging girls in the ass even when I am under the impression they want it and are enjoying it becasue I prefer vaginal intercourse. But I would like anal sex even less if I thought that the girl didn't like it either and was doing it only for the extra baht. That would really turn me off.[/QUOTE]Why do think the A+ girls, with rare exception, are not saying to me, here is my ass, why not plough it? They just go with my activities. If they got turned on, and some do, they could easily make suggestions. Do they think I would be shocked?

Anyway, if you don't like it, the "even less" bit, sounds a bit silly. Most guys that like it, are taking it. I admit to trying about once per year for one reason or another. E. g. Girl had a sore pussy, or curiosity. Last time I achieved it at Mango, not with favorite girl, it was quite difficult, extremely tight fit, and girl appeared to be not enjoying it at all, more like grimacing. I did cum so duration was not too long, just maybe 3 minutes or so, and felt a little sorry that I requested it. A new girl there, so probably not yet that used to relaxing to have something shoved up there.

I remember now, when I enquired if she did anal initially out of curiosity or just being able to report it, that she yes we could try it, but after certain other activities that she wanted to enjoy first. It was like she was going to get her pop by other means, DATY and cowgirl etc. , then tolerate an anal at the end.

I think there are other girls that have been doing anal several times daily and are very well used to it by now, so perhaps it is just normal for them. Nothing to particularly like or dislike.

Anal is like everything else: some like it, some don't. And some come down in the middle. 99 percent of the girls I've had kept a hard lock on their back door. Two lovers were willing to try it out, and we took it slow, lots of lube, and one of the two said it was okay, the other girl said never again. Ja from Bamboo, an A+ listed pro, took me up her tunnel of love with ease and apparently with pleasure, and she is the size of a China doll.

I have a freelancer who keeps a small flat of her own near Nana, we've already gone once for a massage and a shag, and she's now inviting me back and has offered me her ass "if I'm good". I suppose this means gentle, and of course I said "yes ma'am"!

FR on that after New Years.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977682]Why do think the A+ girls, with rare exception, are not saying to me, here is my ass, why not plough it? They just go with my activities. If they got turned on, and some do, they could easily make suggestions. Do they think I would be shocked?

Anyway, if you don't like it, the "even less" bit, sounds a bit silly. Most guys that like it, are taking it. I admit to trying about once per year for one reason or another. E. g. Girl had a sore pussy, or curiosity. Last time I achieved it at Mango, not with favorite girl, it was quite difficult, extremely tight fit, and girl appeared to be not enjoying it at all, more like grimacing. I did cum so duration was not too long, just maybe 3 minutes or so, and felt a little sorry that I requested it. A new girl there, so probably not yet that used to relaxing to have something shoved up there.

I remember now, when I enquired if she did anal initially out of curiosity or just being able to report it, that she yes we could try it, but after certain other activities that she wanted to enjoy first. It was like she was going to get her pop by other means, DATY and cowgirl etc. , then tolerate an anal at the end.

I think there are other girls that have been doing anal several times daily and are very well used to it by now, so perhaps it is just normal for them. Nothing to particularly like or dislike.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McRib;1977587]Does anyone know if it's common for the shops to close up around the new year? My stopover happens to fall around that time, and Snow White was on my visit-list. How likely am I to find a locked door at Tulip, Mango, or the other PSE oilies?[/QUOTE]I cannot speak to New Year specifically, but I do remember an instance where there was a holiday and most of the shops were closed. However, the Tulip girls who wanted to work went to Sky massage (just down the block) and Sky was open. In fact, on that one occasion I booked a Tulip girl working at Sky temporarily through the mama-san at Snow White. I don't remember how that ended up happening but it did.

So, just because one shop is closed doesn't necessarily mean all are, and it is possible a girl who normally works at one oily might be working at another during the holiday. But again, I haven't tested this around the New Year holiday so don't know if it applies.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977522]More money leads to more girls, and better-looking girls too.

It's just that this kind of thing takes time to happen. It doesn't happen overnight.

First, you start paying more money. The ladies start boasting to each other about how much money they've made. Then this encourages other ladies to join in the fun and have you nail their bum.[/QUOTE]That has not been my experience these past years in BKK. P4 P gals for the most part are not as good looking, provide less, have less than desirable attitudes, and want more.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977481]The ladies probably also say that that it's a slippery slope, when they do A+ for free. First it's A+ for free. Then guys will want something else for free too. And eventually it will get so bad that it won't be worthwhile for them to do P4P anymore.

You need to recognize that the ladies and guys have opposing interests to some extent. Which requires a compromise, where both sides get a part of what they want. Or else it's no deal.

Sure, it can be a slippery slope either for guys or for ladies, depending on who gets to have their way. But this kind of thing destroys the market. The only way the market can work is when you have a compromise. And 500B for A+ is a very reasonable compromise that does something for both ladies and guys.

The thing that makes A+ different from everything else is that virtually all ladies normally do everything else, but only some ladies do A+. A+ is a special service. It's not like everything else. And that's why it needs to be recognized as separate and different in terms of compensation for the ladies. Or else A+ is not even on the menu, let alone the lady encouraging you to go A+ on her.[/QUOTE]Again Dan, the mantra at the oilies was "all girls do everything" and here's the price. That's the point; nothing else. Don't want to work there; go work in a GoGo. I have said many times that if they had real lookers then I would not mind paying more. They don't. They want to foist the same old gals on us that provide the same service for more money. Want more money? Raise your game. You get more money after you raise your game, not before.

[QUOTE=Dart13;1977640]Is it appropriate to openly ask mamasan which girls did not have a baby during the lineup?

I don't want to offend the ladies, but also last couple of times the girls had stretch marks, not awful but quite bad, so I'd rather avoid those next time.[/QUOTE]Would you accept an elderly, flat-chested midget when you were looking for a tall, young girl with large breasts? Of course not. So why should you accept a girl with stretch marks when you're looking for a baby-free body?

Why would anyone be offended anyway? Leave your little western feminist sensitivities at home. Just go in and say to the mamasan 'I want girl no have baby' and she'll point them out. Don't feel awkward, they've heard it all before.

[QUOTE=*****man;1977718]Would you accept an elderly, flat-chested midget when you were looking for a tall, young girl with large breasts? Of course not. So why should you accept a girl with stretch marks when you're looking for a baby-free body?

Why would anyone be offended anyway? Leave your little western feminist sensitivities at home. Just go in and say to the mamasan 'I want girl no have baby' and she'll point them out. Don't feel awkward, they've heard it all before.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Hell, I have called off a session at an oily when I disrobed a gal and found bad baby drag. I apologize and tell 'them that just won't work for me. Was offered another gal, but seeing that really put me off my game. This is another reason I don't pay up front. Of course now I ask. The mamasans are far more reliable about accurately reporting the shape of the gals than punters. Truth be told I wish it were more like HK where there are almost no mommies working.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977728]Totally agree. Hell, I have called off a session at an oily when I disrobed a gal and found bad baby drag. I apologize and tell 'them that just won't work for me. Was offered another gal, but seeing that really put me off my game. This is another reason I don't pay up front. Of course now I ask. The mamasans are far more reliable about accurately reporting the shape of the gals than punters. Truth be told I wish it were more like HK where there are almost no mommies working.[/QUOTE]At Addict, you pay up front and there is a sign that says it is non-refundable, so anyone concerned about baby damage better ask before making a selection. It is also non-extendable without paying a minimum 1700 bhat fee (for half an hour) so keep to the session duration you selected.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1977732]At Addict, you pay up front and there is a sign that says it is non-refundable, so anyone concerned about baby damage better ask before making a selection. It is also non-extendable without paying a minimum 1700 bhat fee (for half an hour) so keep to the session duration you selected.[/QUOTE]Dude, I have not had a sesh at Addict in ages. I avoid the place. Lots of bad reports about it on here lately as well.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977734]Dude, I have not had a sesh at Addict in ages. I avoid the place. Lots of bad reports about it on here lately as well.[/QUOTE]I had four sessions there on my trip this November and December. Two great GFE sessions and two very good ones. YMMV depending on how good you are in selecting the girls and warming them up so it is not just about servicing you.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1977740]I had four sessions there on my trip this November and December. Two great GFE sessions and two very good ones. YMMV depending on how good you are in selecting the girls and warming them up so it is not just about servicing you.[/QUOTE]At the end of the day it really is about me. I'm paying. Yes, it's a lot of fun to get the gal going as well, but they have to be a willing participant. I speak Thai and begin joking with them from the get-go. I'm light hearted and never serious, but I'm not there to romance; P4 P gals are not my girlfriends. I expect a certain standard of performance for my money and if it's not delivered; I'm not happy. BBBJ (CIM if I desire), DFK, DATY, rimming, A+ is nice but not necessary, all done skillfully and with enthusiasm. These all must be on the menu along with a body that is not ravaged by childbirth and a head that does not look like a Rottweiler. This is their chosen profession and just like any other professional I deal with, I expect them to do their job well. That's what I'm paying for. If I have to "work," what's the point in paying?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977743]At the end of the day it really is about me. I'm paying... I expect a certain standard of performance for my money and if it's not delivered; I'm not happy...This is their chosen profession and just like any other professional I deal with, I expect them to do their job well. That's what I'm paying for. If I have to "work," what's the point in paying?[/QUOTE]Well said! And I completely agree with you. For other professions, everybody agrees with this premise, but in P4 P, many folks talk about the needs of the provider. She is getting paid, and that should be enough for her. IMO, establishing a connection with the girl, and / or pleasing her can be done, but should not be expected.

[QUOTE=Dart13;1977640]Is it appropriate to openly ask mamasan which girls did not have a baby during the lineup?[/QUOTE]YES, this is essential given the high percentage of MILFs working in massage places. In fact, I ask the same to bar girls and street walkers. For massage places, I walk in and immediately tell the mama-san I only want to see girls without baby, whether I am looking at the catalogue or looking at a lineup. Then I can make a better decision based on what I see in terms of visible looks. No need to be timid about this point. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977696]That has not been my experience these past years in BKK. P4 P gals for the most part are not as good looking, provide less, have less than desirable attitudes, and want more.[/QUOTE]The good looking bar girls do exist. It is easier to find good looking girls in certain bars, to my taste anyway.

When I look back at pics of bar girls from many years ago, they don't look so stunning any more, except for odd extra pretty one with bad service, such as the tall very hot bodied Noi at Long Gun. Looks have not declined in bars if one could ignore the surgeries or love the surgeries, which is interfering with it.

Bar girls are charging much more than before. So they can make significantly more per fuck where the Oily MP workers do not (1500 for FS over very many years now). Makes sense that the best looking girls may look for the easier option to be a bargirl. What makes a stunning girl want to be PSE Oily worker? I really wonder. Most pretty ones I met were dissatisfied. Bargirls tend more to be dissatisfied, only if they don't make enough money, but turn up to work very irregularly.

Many years ago it was bargirls that were the extra cheap ones. Not any more.

Pretty girls have more ability to choose their best options. Make big money for less work.

I attach some old girl photos. I thought they were pretty awesome girls at the time. Four soapy girls and one bargirl. Now I think ho hum so-so, mostly. Soapy girls were better looking than bar girls in the old days. Unfortunately can't find Long Gun Noi right now, but have posted her pic before, I believe.

I have pics of much prettier girls overall in recent times that I can't post, so I can't prove it, but at least I myself accept that the looks of best bargirls are better than I ever found in the past. I would love to see if anyone could find pics of real super stunners from the past in Oily MPs or bargirls. I used to do mainly Soapies in the old days as that was where the best lookers were at the time. I accept that Soapies have declined for girl looks most likely.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977872]I attach some old girl photos.[/QUOTE]The woman on the upper left is the most hot, IMO.

I'll be hitting BKK for the first time in February, 4 nights 5 days, hoping to experience a nice variety so been reading all the threads back a year but will only book one lady that's been mentioned in a report. Will avoid doing the current oft-mentioned stars such as Cheer & Ja at Bamboo, or Ae & Prae at Mango, or Opor & View at Tulip, or Benz & Ninja at Snow White. Have a booking want list that includes **** appeal babes from Pink, 101 Premier, Bamboo, Snow White, Paradise & Mitu. But after the first night it'll all probably go chaotic once I've tasted the FL and bar scene. The philosophical discussions here can be interesting but would like to see more reports to be honest.

[QUOTE=AquaDreams;1977911]The woman on the upper left is the most hot, IMO.

I'll be hitting BKK for the first time in February, 4 nights 5 days, hoping to experience a nice variety so been reading all the threads back a year but will only book one lady that's been mentioned in a report. Will avoid doing the current oft-mentioned stars such as Cheer & Ja at Bamboo, or Ae & Prae at Mango, or Opor & View at Tulip, or Benz & Ninja at Snow White. Have a booking want list that includes **** appeal babes from Pink, 101 Premier, Bamboo, Snow White, Paradise & Mitu. But after the first night it'll all probably go chaotic once I've tasted the FL and bar scene. The philosophical discussions here can be interesting but would like to see more reports to be honest.[/QUOTE]So why don't you start by reporting yourself Mr. Post count of 4. And don't pull that crap about its my first time to Thailand. You could report in your home area thread or other destinations, How dare you complain about the quality of this forum with a post count of 4! Come back when you have something intelligent to say.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977872]The good looking bar girls do exist. It is easier to find good looking girls in certain bars, to my taste anyway.

When I look back at pics of bar girls from many years ago, they don't look so stunning any more, except for odd extra pretty one with bad service, such as the tall very hot bodied Noi at Long Gun. Looks have not declined in bars if one could ignore the surgeries or love the surgeries, which is interfering with it.

Bar girls are charging much more than before. So they can make significantly more per fuck where the Oily MP workers do not (1500 for FS over very many years now). Makes sense that the best looking girls may look for the easier option to be a bargirl. What makes a stunning girl want to be PSE Oily worker? I really wonder. Most pretty ones I met were dissatisfied. Bargirls tend more to be dissatisfied, only if they don't make enough money, but turn up to work very irregularly.

Many years ago it was bargirls that were the extra cheap ones. Not any more.

Pretty girls have more ability to choose their best options. Make big money for less work.

I attach some old girl photos. I thought they were pretty awesome girls at the time. Four soapy girls and one bargirl. Now I think ho hum so-so, mostly. Soapy girls were better looking than bar girls in the old days. Unfortunately can't find Long Gun Noi right now, but have posted her pic before, I believe.

I have pics of much prettier girls overall in recent times that I can't post, so I can't prove it, but at least I myself accept that the looks of best bargirls are better than I ever found in the past. I would love to see if anyone could find pics of real super stunners from the past in Oily MPs or bargirls. I used to do mainly Soapies in the old days as that was where the best lookers were at the time. I accept that Soapies have declined for girl looks most likely.[/QUOTE]The one on the left in the white is very nice looking. She was from LaBelle, correct? The others don't really appeal to me.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1977430]I do realize that you specified MP. My own experience on value for money in general is the FL talent. It can be a crapshoot like in any venue but I've pulled 2 very good providers from Nana parking this week. 1,000 baht for one and 1,500 for the other. I might have negotiated on the 2nd one but I found her to be a very attractive spinner. No baby damage on either. The 2nd one claims to be 30. Only the tiny crows feet suggest otherwise. She has the body of an 18 yo and the appetite of a 32 yo. Both experiences surpassed my 2 most recent trips to oilies and at one half and one third of the price.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I've always visited MPs and brothels but I'm willing to try out FLs. What's the protocol here? I just walk up to them and negotiate? Since I'll be staying with friends, I'll just need to find a short time hotel. I believe that's not hard to find in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977872]Unfortunately can't find Long Gun Noi right now, but have posted her pic before, I believe.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure which girl you are talking about and would love to see a photo. I have taken many girls from Long Gun over the years. Unfortunately, I have forgotten almost all of their names. Personally, I think the very early 2000's were the prime years for hot girls at Long Gun. Joy was my favorite back then. A true stunner and perhaps my favorite to ever do the show where they come smashing down with the boots to "Burnin Alive". She wasn't tall, but she was definitely one of the hottest Thai girls I've ever seen on Soi Cowboy. I remember 2 tall sisters in the early 2000's who had great bodies, but I forget their names as well. I don't think Long Gun has a good looking girl there anymore. At least I haven't seen one in a while.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1977961]So why don't you start by reporting yourself Mr. Post count of 4. And don't pull that crap about its my first time to Thailand. You could report in your home area thread or other destinations, How dare you complain about the quality of this forum with a post count of 4! Come back when you have something intelligent to say.[/QUOTE]If the above is an example of an intelligent or useful post, God help us all.

Went to Honey Bee Massage a couple weeks ago.

I hadn't booked anyone and tested my luck with the masseuse that I was told would take care of me.

I opted for the Body to Body with Happy Ending in the VIP Room option (price as per their website + a little extra for the vip room).

While the start was a bit difficult because of the electricity fuse jumping each time we'd start hot water, it actually made us laugh and get done with the shower part both meticulously and ASAP not to freeze ourselves (good thing Thailand is hot country).

Beeing done with that I wondered how the session would go (was it a sign that things would be shitty all the way? Well on the contrary it was a great session, Polly has good massage skills and made the whole body to body very meaningful and super hot! I opted for the simple HJ release which came at the end of a long lasting massage and teasing suplice.

Perfect experience for my first time here (not in the alley).

9/10 for the service.

7,5/10 for the looks.

9/10 for the personnality.

Had been to Analisa when they used to be on soi 22. Seems they moved a few months ago to Nana (and kept a sister shop on soi 22).

I opted for the Body to Body with Happy Ending in a normal Room (I think its called paradise massage and like 2300 THB as per their website for 90 minutes).

I had booked one of their young masseuse on the phone but when I arrived the desk girl said she was confused and the young masseuse would only be available 30 minutes after.

I was left with 3 choices: waiting, leaving or taking what was available.

The girl was in her 30's instead of early 20's I had booked. I was put in a room where I was separated from another punter by a simple curtain.

Therefore we couldn't really talk to break the ice and opted for the silent massage.

The session wasn't a disaster but I can't say I enjoyed it so much either.

7,5/10 for the service.

6,5/10 for the looks (okay maybe 7, but I'm just disappointed by the fact she had 10 years more than booked. To be fair I don't write her name as its not her fault).

I don't rate the personnality as we barely exchanged (seemed willing to please but had hardly any discussion due to the room configuration).

I'd rate the shop 5/10 because of the whole experience (mistake in booking and poor room setup).

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977962]The one on the left in the white is very nice looking. She was from LaBelle, correct? The others don't really appeal to me.[/QUOTE]She was nice looking originally, not any more after a nose job. I met her first at Versailles, then JC Infinity and finally she moved to La Belle. The service went downhill, at La Belle, she had become less GFE and more dick scared. She is probably still there, but I lost interest.

I could give the others a miss now too. I have become more picky. I can find moderately pretty girls today in bars, but struggled to do so back 10 to 20 years ago. Some of my recent girls were better looking that what I did years ago. So I don't accept that looks of bargirls have gone downhill overall. It depends on which bar is attended.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977872]The good looking bar girls do exist. It is easier to find good looking girls in certain bars, to my taste anyway.

When I look back at pics of bar girls from many years ago, they don't look so stunning any more, except for odd extra pretty one with bad service, such as the tall very hot bodied Noi at Long Gun. Looks have not declined in bars if one could ignore the surgeries or love the surgeries, which is interfering with it.

Bar girls are charging much more than before. So they can make significantly more per fuck where the Oily MP workers do not (1500 for FS over very many years now). Makes sense that the best looking girls may look for the easier option to be a bargirl. What makes a stunning girl want to be PSE Oily worker? I really wonder. Most pretty ones I met were dissatisfied. Bargirls tend more to be dissatisfied, only if they don't make enough money, but turn up to work very irregularly.

Many years ago it was bargirls that were the extra cheap ones. Not any more.

Pretty girls have more ability to choose their best options. Make big money for less work.

I attach some old girl photos. I thought they were pretty awesome girls at the time. Four soapy girls and one bargirl. Now I think ho hum so-so, mostly. Soapy girls were better looking than bar girls in the old days. Unfortunately can't find Long Gun Noi right now, but have posted her pic before, I believe.

I have pics of much prettier girls overall in recent times that I can't post, so I can't prove it, but at least I myself accept that the looks of best bargirls are better than I ever found in the past. I would love to see if anyone could find pics of real super stunners from the past in Oily MPs or bargirls. I used to do mainly Soapies in the old days as that was where the best lookers were at the time. I accept that Soapies have declined for girl looks most likely.[/QUOTE]Picture 4 looks like Yok (Cherry) in her pre-baby days. Is it?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1978098]Went to Honey Bee Massage a couple weeks ago.

I hadn't booked anyone and tested my luck with the masseuse that I was told would take care of me.

I opted for the Body to Body with Happy Ending in the VIP Room option (price as per their website + a little extra for the vip room).

While the start was a bit difficult because of the electricity fuse jumping each time we'd start hot water, it actually made us laugh and get done with the shower part both meticulously and ASAP not to freeze ourselves (good thing Thailand is hot country).

Beeing done with that I wondered how the session would go (was it a sign that things would be shitty all the way? Well on the contrary it was a great session, Polly has good massage skills and made the whole body to body very meaningful and super hot! I opted for the simple HJ release which came at the end of a long lasting massage and teasing suplice.

Perfect experience for my first time here (not in the alley).

9/10 for the service.

7,5/10 for the looks.

9/10 for the personnality.[/QUOTE]Hey Sinofaguo:

Thanks for the nice report! In the picture on the website, Polly looks not so young and not so slim, is that sort of correct?

I've got to laugh at the VIP room that has no hot water or electricity: typical Land of Smiles.

You mention teasing supplice, is that the tantric massage? They have a rather extensive menu with kinky stuff on the front desk, which has some overlap with the one on the website but not completely, so I was wondering which option you actually took. Knowing that they can also do some sorts of combinations.

But anyway, it's good to see you made the best of the situation with your girl and some humor!

Eric.

Sorry for the typo, yes it was a mistake, bongkot doesn't charge an A+ fee, bamboo does for a long time and now mango does too.

And yes, I was expecting the fee to pop up due to one previous report and I did pay for it. I am not against A+ being an add-on fee, as long as the fee is properly described and not a surprise.

GK.

[QUOTE=*****man;1977131]They're probably not going to make a big thing about it but on their laminated card there's definitely at least one option that mentions the 500 baht surcharge. It's called something like the XXXX special and is a 2 hour option for 3000 baht which includes Nuru or something and A+.

Did you pay the surcharge by the way?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for all the replies. So today on my visit to Mango I did just that, asked which girls do not have a baby.

Out of 15 or so in the lineup, maybe 3 or 4 hands went up. Not great.

I picked the one whom I later discovered to be Prae, I think it's a same one who was mentioned here before.

Her face is not very cute, but I quite liked her body. Thin, small but nice breasts and ass.

The BJ was frankly awful, she was pulling too hard making it painful, and even though I've tried to explain to her what needs to be done differently, it only marginally helped.

The sex was good, though bit too much of a (fake) moaning. The massage was also nice.

Overall I think it wasn't the best session. I found her a bit too mechanical, she kind of done the right things (apart from BJ which was bad), but it didn't feel good. I've had better and more intimate sessions before attitude-wise with other girls. But their looks were lower.

I was also surprised to read here about A+ surcharge at Mango. I wasn't interested in that, but the mamasan never mentioned it. I guess it would've been not so nice surprise.

[QUOTE=Dart13;1978283]
The BJ was frankly awful, she was pulling too hard making it painful, and even though I've tried to explain to her what needs to be done differently, it only marginally helped.
[/QUOTE]Many girls try to use the hand moving up and down the cock, possibly twisting, and rubbing against the skin, or pulling the skin too far. This is not great. They don't know exactly how it feels. We have to train them. Just like girls that train us how to DATY best for them helps a lot too. I am fortunate to speak Thai well, as aids me to explain to them how the touch should be.

Either:

1. Don't use hands at all once the dick is up. Instead use a hand to tickle balls lightly.

2. If the girl cannot keep the hands off, I show her that the grip has to be extremely light and any up and down movement has to take the skin with the hand so there is actually no rubbing friction. Also important not to pull the skin too much or that will be pain as well.

I have heard that some guys like friction on the dick (unlubricated), but I certainly do not like any dry skin rubbing or friction.

BBBJ without hands on dick is really better for me, and I like slow and sloppy, no teeth and no real grip. Again I read that some guys like far more vigorous BBBJ. I ask for BBBJ in slow motion. Unfortunately there are some girls you just cannot adjust to my style, and if so I cut the BBBJ short.

Prae has excellent firm high tits, I would estimate to be B-cups. So not that small, except to guys normally taking large tits. Certainly quite good for a slim build.

I think you're talking about Dolly which is rated 32 on their site and looks old yes.

Polly is listed 25 on their website, I would have guessed 26 to 27 and rather normal body not one I would call fat.

[URL]http://bangkok.honeybeemassage.com/masseuses/polly/[/URL]

Yes their book of service is a nightmare. I now decided not to look at it and just ask for the service and vip room because the more I look at the book the more I'm lost LOL.

Body Body HJ VIP Room 90 min 2200.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1978237]Hey Sinofaguo:

Thanks for the nice report! In the picture on the website, Polly looks not so young and not so slim, is that sort of correct?

I've got to laugh at the VIP room that has no hot water or electricity: typical Land of Smiles.

You mention teasing supplice, is that the tantric massage? They have a rather extensive menu with kinky stuff on the front desk, which has some overlap with the one on the website but not completely, so I was wondering which option you actually took. Knowing that they can also do some sorts of combinations.

But anyway, it's good to see you made the best of the situation with your girl and some humor!

Eric.[/QUOTE]

For those who who might be a bit new to the BKK massage places and think that all massage experiences are the same or that there are only three kinds of massage experience available in Bangkok: massage with no extras, massage with HJ and massage with FS, here's my take -.

True, there are undoubtedly some places where they don't provide even HJ. And yes, we all know about the full-on places, such as Bamboo, Snow White and, for the truly athletic, Tulip. But even in those places, there are variations. It depends on how many guys the lady has had to have sex with before you that day, if nothing else. That is why we listen to the advice of the more experienced punters who tell us it is always best to go for the one in the line-up who at least makes eye-contact and looks enthusiastic as opposed to the hottest one.

But there are many other places where other factors come into play. What I have in mind are the more fringe places, such as massage places that do not have separate rooms but only have alcoves. In those places, prices vary as does what is available and as does your mileage. For instance, in the full-on places I mentioned above, you are never going to get a really new lady who does not provide the oral build-up at the beginning. But this is what I encountered when I went to one of these fringe massage places. But if you are prepared to put up with such so-so experiences, bearing in mind that mostly I pay about 1,000 for FS extra plus the massage fee, I just head to the next shop if did not get satisfaction in the previous one.

But there are reasons why you might want to try the more fringe places. For instance, I recently has to visit an office near the Sukhumvit tourist area but where you will hardly see any tourists on the soi. It was 10.30 am but the person I was supposed to meet was delayed and I had a couple of hours on my hands. So went to a nearby massage place for an hour. Rather than wait to be told, I picked the best looking of the bunch who was looking a bit flirty too.

There was a shower inside but the toilet was one of those squat jobs outside the building at the back yard. There were wooden wall dividers with a wooden platform with a thin mattress (always a bit tough on the knees, I find!) The lady I chose was a bit chunkier than I usual go for but she was probably more into the sex than I was and had a great set of tits and no kids. What I really liked was that she was a naturally lubricating down below and sweet-smelling and from our conversation afterwards she had not had sex for a few days at least. The naturally lubricating was a turn-on for me. With all the best of respect to the ladies of those more full-on places, they will either lube up in advance or lube up when you are about to drill them. I don't find it a turn-off when that happens or when the girl is prepared to go ahead but is a bit drier than would be comfortable. But it is really nice when the girl is naturally lubricating and especially when she lubes a lot!

Anyway, needless to say, it was clear to everyone in the place what was going on as we were shaking the partitions and making plenty of noises. And because my balls had been drained the previous day, I took ages to cum and the girl was slapping my thighs and came several times. It was such a vigorous experience I needed about 20 minutes to come down from the endorphins and get my breath and energy back while she cuddled me and even offered me a second shot which I declined due to old age.

At the end, I paid 1,000 to the lady as tip, 500 extra for sex on premises (first time I heard about this but it was a deal-breaker!) and 500 for the massage (500 for lotion. I avoid the oil in these fringe places as the new girls sometimes try to lube up with the oil which then results in a broken condom). I can hear the old sweats clamouring about how bad value this is. Yes, it is true that a few days before I had a one shot (with two attempts) at Bamboo for 2,100 for a 90 minute session with a very able professional who had the usual messed up stomach but still worth every penny. I could have got an hour session at bamboo for 1900. So why should a one shot in a fringe place with much less privacy and worse facilities be good value in comparison?

For me it was because it was partly unexpected. At best, I thought I might get HJ. But it was the sheer naughtiness of everyone knowing what we were doing, the fact that the lady was really into the sex etc. It was somewhere between PSE and GFE and all the best for that.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1976454]I think counting cumshots is a wrong way to go about it. Because the key to satisfaction isn't the cumshot. It's lasting for a long time with the lady.
[/QUOTE]No point trying to convert someone to your philosophy. There are two pop guys (or more), and there are guys where pops are not very relevant.

I only ever tried for 2 pops on occasions when I had plenty of time left over for a time type booking. My minimum ST is 1 hour, and can be up to 2. 5 hours. I am sure I will never get more than 1 pop in an hour and never tried. In 2. 5 hours, yes I might go for it, meaning commence sex again after first pop. The achievement of a 2nd pop is not the only aim. I never pop fast, even if had no sex for 3 weeks.

We have to allow for guys that pop at the first touch to need another chance or two. Otherwise their session could be over in 5 minutes. I am actually a bit jealous of guys with the sensitivity to pop fairly easily.

To me a pop is not of paramount importance since it lasts for such a short part of the total session. However you must allow for guys to be treating the pops as the "Goals", as though little else matters. Each to their own style that suits their experience.

How often a guy needs sex is also going vary a lot. My GF is extremely sensitive to stimulation (so not challenging at all), only needs sex once per week (on average) and has several pops each time (probably 3 to 5). I get just one with her as the timeframe of 40 minutes is a bit short for me. So no way am I going to be satisfied till next time in another week. If she fucked me every day, I might be basically satisfied and rarely mongering.

There seem to be a lot of girls satisfied with 2 pops, who don't want any more. Then there are also girls where they like to go for a certain duration and the pops are not really limited. I have met girls had maybe 6 or more pops but it is rare.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1977128]Stop with all this BS about being too injured to work. She went home to celebrate her graduation from University.[/QUOTE]That was a very nice pic. It makes some of the SW web site pics look quite bad.

It reads like you may have over reacted to a very vague rumour, and read too much meaning into it. Any girl could have complained to someone about an anal pounding. I often meet girls complaining abut some previous customer. It's not very unusual.

Does anyone have any informations which massage shops will be closed for New Year?

I heard that Bamboo will be closed from 30th December to 4th January and Mango website says that the shop will be closed from 31st to 2nd. Though I will be in Bangkok next Friday and Saturday any tipps where I can go for a naughty (PSE) massage on these days are well appreciated.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1977128]Stop with all this BS about being too injured to work. She went home to celebrate her graduation from University.[/QUOTE]And what did she graduate in? Applied Sexuality?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1978564]That was a very nice pic. It makes some of the SW web site pics look quite bad.

It reads like you may have over reacted to a very vague rumour, and read too much meaning into it. Any girl could have complained to someone about an anal pounding. I often meet girls complaining abut some previous customer. It's not very unusual.[/QUOTE]I just read many members asking when will she be back and mentioning her injuries. She is perfectly fine.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1978375]I think you're talking about Dolly which is rated 32 on their site and looks old yes.

Polly is listed 25 on their website, I would have guessed 26 to 27 and rather normal body not one I would call fat.

[URL]http://bangkok.honeybeemassage.com/masseuses/polly/[/URL]

Yes their book of service is a nightmare. I now decided not to look at it and just ask for the service and vip room because the more I look at the book the more I'm lost LOL.

Body Body HJ VIP Room 90 min 2200.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarifications! As I reported recently, last time I asked for VIP room they gave me the one across the street at Kiss, and the construction noise across the wall was infernal. To which somebody replied I should just go for the regular room. But it seems you were happy with the VIP room and were not disturbed, is that right?

Because new talent is hard to find (once you've exhausted your normal haunts and get bored), I also find trying out the semi-legit massage shops to be rewarding. Sometimes there are girls in there with very nice bodies actually, of course that can be subjective. I find just walking along soi 22 and eyeing the potential talent is a good idea. If I see something I like, I'll just cancel my plans to go to the more normal P4P venue and head on it and give them a try. There was a cute one at JW Massage but she appears to have left. Still worth checking out these semi legit places as the other guy mentioned below. The same P4P venues can get boring.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1978829]Because new talent is hard to find (once you've exhausted your normal haunts and get bored), I also find trying out the semi-legit massage shops to be rewarding. Sometimes there are girls in there with very nice bodies actually, of course that can be subjective. I find just walking along soi 22 and eye'ing the potential talent is a good idea. If I see something I like, I'll just cancel my plans to go to the more normal P4 P venue and head on it and give them a try. There was a cute one at JW Massage but she appears to have left. Still worth checking out these semi legit places as the other guy mentioned below. The same P4 P venues can get boring.[/QUOTE]Rewarding in what sense? Getting a tug or a fuck? Isn't a hot girl frustrating unless you can fuck her?

There's been a wave of negativity about Addict recently, so I thought I'd make up my own mind by sampling with my personal probe.

Line-up was about 9 girls, with Sandy acting as the Mamasan. Apart from some dogs who shouldn't even be there, there was this hot chick who'd been eyeballing me last time, so I figured I'd give her a shot. Turns out her name was La La.

She looks like her picture on the website except her camera smile is contrived, whereas her real-life smile is absolutely charming. 25 years old, no baby, real A-cup tits (but a full A-cup), maybe 1 m58. Not skinny but not fat either: I would say pretty healthy body mass index by normal standards. One small tattoo on her left shoulder, nothing bothersome, probably religious for good luck.

She's like a chatterbox. Completely oblivious to the fact that I only speak 20 words of Thai. She keeps referring to herself at the third person: "La La happy". She is from Chiang Mai, so not Isaan dark. Worked 3 weeks in an office once, but clever girl soon realized she was better suited to horizontal work. Boss probably wanted to bang her for free. Imagine that?

The short of it is: I like her. She made me feel comfortable. She dressed and undressed me (not in that order). She either orgasmed or gave a convincing impression thereof, not that I care a whit either way. Weak point is that she was so eager to get to the sex part that she went straight from flaccid state to the BJ, whereas I normally prefer inner thigh massage and HJ first to gradually build a strong erection. When she asks: "Smoke Original?" it means whether I want BBBJ as opposed to CBJ. Weird lingo. But then again who would say no to that? She's not against giving prostate massage if it helps build rapport.

All in all, a wonderful experience. I would say typical Addict as I remember it from the olden days of 3 yeas ago. I came too fast, but I was happy to come too fast. My gut instinct is that all their girls went away after Elvis's death, so the ones who remained were jaded and overworked, but now the mourning season is over, they've enjoyed a nice vacation, and they still need the money, so they are coming back, but there are no punters because all the Farang expat workers have gone back home for the holidays, so they're horny and desperate. Take advantage of it, my friends. Just skip the dogs in the line-up.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1978745]Thanks for the clarifications! As I reported recently, last time I asked for VIP room they gave me the one across the street at Kiss, and the construction noise across the wall was infernal. To which somebody replied I should just go for the regular room. But it seems you were happy with the VIP room and were not disturbed, is that right?[/QUOTE]Yes 3 different VIP rooms, no noise issues.

BTW for the 2nd time I was given Cat and for the 3rd time Gift.

Both are young in their early 20's.

B2 B HJ VIP ROOM 90 minutes 2200 BHT.

Cat face is not my type and I was wondering if I should change her. Finding it akward and believing she worked here for a reason I decided to keep up with the flow and see if she would compensate this with service quality.

I was right to have some faith as the experience was great, she's definatly gifted for Body to Body and the fact she has a little bit more meat than avarage makes it even more confortable when both bodies are in contact.

At some point Cat used her lower belly to massage my manhood, moving up and down repeatedly, she has a great technique it almost felt like the real thing and was outstanding. I think she got quite into it herself and at some point and even teased me with her back side in a very sexy way as if she was really going to get it inside. Not sure how much was just teasing or will to do it but as enjoyable as it would have been my brain took back the controle and I pushed her gently (or not so gently as she sliped from my belly on the bed, making us both laugh).

Really nice experience I recommend her for the quality of the service.

Gift face is not my type either although I would rate her a bit better than Cat on looks.

I don't speak thai but I believe she was dissappointed I only took HJ finish. I guess its as much B2 B work for them with lower pay.

Regardless of the argument with the mamasan and her so so atitude each time she made eye contact with me she would show a smile which seemed a bit forced at first and got much more authentic during the session.

I was surprised how a small girl like her had such strength in her massage skills. Body to body was good too although she was using a different technique than Cat, mainly using her tits by standing accross me while Cat used her whole body.

Very nice happy ending technique.

Out of 3 encounters at the Honey Bee / Kiss / Paradise consortium, I only had good experiences.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1978884]
I don't speak thai but I believe she was dissappointed I only took HJ finish. I guess its as much B2 B work for them with lower pay.
[/QUOTE]Yes I believe girls would be disappointed to make less money with potentially hard work from B2 B. I would never take a HJ in a FS establishment. I would be too embarrassed to waste their time. Just my personal attitude. In fact I never took BJ only either except in a BJ shop (even then rarely). One could argue it should not be on the menu if they don't want to provide it. Any money made could be better than none.

They should of course set prices that are commensurate with the amount of effort and duration for each type of service. I usually take long duration because they seem to charge only a little bit more, and I don't like rush.

On the other hand I would not take an assigned girl. I always want to choose. It is hard or me to be excited sexually by a very ordinary girl if assigned one. Far too picky for the overall looks. A bad body could even make me want to look away. We are not doing charity work here. I want her hot body to drive me crazy, and want her face to attract me to get my tongue grappling with hers.

Assigned girls is only reasonable for non-sexual real massages in my view. Even then I could wish to take a girl known to do it how I like.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1978899]Yes I believe girls would be disappointed to make less money with potentially hard work from B2 B. I would never take a HJ in a FS establishment. I would be too embarrassed to waste their time. Just my personal attitude. In fact I never took BJ only either except in a BJ shop (even then rarely). One could argue it should not be on the menu if they don't want to provide it. Any money made could be better than none.

They should of course set prices that are commensurate with the amount of effort and duration for each type of service. I usually take long duration because they seem to charge only a little bit more, and I don't like rush.[/QUOTE]Yes actually the first time I went there I took the B2 B VIP ROOM 90 MIN FJ Option for 2700 BHT but it seemed weird for the girl that I didn't want FJ and was happy with just HJ so I figured the next time I'd just go with B2 B VIP ROOM 90 MIN HJ Option for 2200 BHT and give bigger tip to the girl that way which I did and made them very happy in the end.

I guess its more rewarding for the girl but more risky for me since they don't know what they'll get in the end.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1978899]
On the other hand I would not take an assigned girl. I always want to choose. It is hard or me to be excited sexually by a very ordinary girl if assigned one. Far too picky for the overall looks. A bad body could even make me want to look away. We are not doing charity work here. I want her hot body to drive me crazy, and want her face to attract me to get my tongue grappling with hers.

Assigned girls is only reasonable for non-sexual real massages in my view. Even then I could wish to take a girl known to do it how I like.[/QUOTE]Yes if it was for a real sexual encounter I'd be very picky too but for B2 B HJ the girl does most of the work and technique is more important than just plain looks.

I notice also that better looking girls are less hardworking (on the average) than less good looking girls as their looks lets them get away with it I guess.

I'm not a huge fan of thai mps for looks, sure some are looking better than others but I feel quality is far lower than what you find in China, therefore I'm not too picky here.

Hi.

I know it sounds lame, but it brings back nostalgia and the sheer expectation. So, any suggestions on oily massage places with a hole in the centre of the massage table for easy wedding tackle access? I've been in a femin-nazi sex prison and have a week in LOS to bang as many hotties as I can. I guess you can tell the new arrivals by the huge grin from ear to ear and wide eyed wonder of living the way men should.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1979088]Hi.

I know it sounds lame, but it brings back nostalgia and the sheer expectation. So, any suggestions on oily massage places with a hole in the centre of the massage table for easy wedding tackle access? [/QUOTE]Parlous Maximus,

Lame yes. You have been watching too much porn? Lie on your back and no hole is needed, silly. Of course massage tables do not have dick holes.

BTW, was handle Phallus Maximus already taken, and you had to spell it wrong for that reason, as you could not bear to have any other handle? Or merely the forum does not allow correct spelling of some words, as a handle?

I must be weird. I think more about perfect pussy.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1978911]Yes actually the first time I went there I took the B2 B VIP ROOM 90 MIN FJ Option for 2700 BHT but it seemed weird for the girl that I didn't want FJ and was happy with just HJ so I figured the next time I'd just go with B2 B VIP ROOM 90 MIN HJ Option for 2200 BHT and give bigger tip to the girl that way which I did and made them very happy in the end.
[/QUOTE]Depends on the tip size. If you took 2200 option, and then tipped her the extra 500, I sure she would be happy with that. LOL She does not have to share her tips with the boss.

On other hand, if your tip was only 100 more, I am sure she would have preferred the first option.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1979088]Hi.

I know it sounds lame, but it brings back nostalgia and the sheer expectation. So, any suggestions on oily massage places with a hole in the centre of the massage table for easy wedding tackle access? I've been in a femin-nazi sex prison and have a week in LOS to bang as many hotties as I can. I guess you can tell the new arrivals by the huge grin from ear to ear and wide eyed wonder of living the way men should.[/QUOTE]I've seen this porn as well. Can't say I've seen this kind of massage table. It probably doesn't exist as a service in Bangkok. There isn't really that much diversification here. I know Bangkok is supposed to be like the sex / freak capital of the world but it simply isn't. They're actually pretty standard fare and even sub-standard for western standards. This place is about cheap, quantity over quality. But if you look around enough, you can find (a little bit of) both.

For Bangkok, I like Soi 24/1. Because the girls stand outside and it's easy to inspect a lot of ok looking women. I dislike soi 26 because the girls aren't outside as much and really aren't to my spec (too Japanese, too much doll makeup and hot-hit big eye contact lenses). For nighttime, gogo's are an option... but I wouldn't stick with them after more than 1-2 nights, as many find them too be too expensive and definitely not newbie friendly (girls who spot newbies focus on higher prices and less time in the room). Honestly if I were you, I would consider Pattaya if I only had 1 week. It's just better laid out, more women. The discos have really hot women and way better prices than gogos (Insomnia disco, Pattaya is like the best P4P venue in all of Thailand). Avoid the soapies there, really bad and not worth the jizz, they are mostly for clueless Indians tourist vans. Soi Honey during the daytime is got a lot of young/attractive talent. Also the infamous soi 6 has so many girls (many young) that you are bound to find something you like.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1979088]Hi.

I know it sounds lame, but it brings back nostalgia and the sheer expectation. So, any suggestions on oily massage places with a hole in the centre of the massage table for easy wedding tackle access? I've been in a femin-nazi sex prison and have a week in LOS to bang as many hotties as I can. I guess you can tell the new arrivals by the huge grin from ear to ear and wide eyed wonder of living the way men should.[/QUOTE]As a matter of fact, that is the kind of table the proprietress (?) of Analisa Massage described while announcing the shop's recent re-opening in its new location on Sukhumvit Soi 6. Forgive me if I am violating some special rule here, but this was her way of describing it on another website:

Re: Analisa Massage, Bangkok (Sukhumvit 6).

"Welcome to our place. We open everyday from 10.00-24.00 am.

Now we provide new experience for you guys! We made a special massage table for 4 hands / 6 hands massage. We provide relaxing and erotic massage for you at the same time. We made a hole for you dick and a girl will go under table and give you hand job and mouth job for you, at the same time another give you erotic massage, body to body massage. They swap.

About 6 hands massage. 2 girls massage on your back and another girl sit under table and give you dick, balls massage by hands and mouth.

Sound interesting yet? Please come to find out how it work!"

(back to me, ET, again) Personally, I would much prefer getting a blowjob while laying in this position rather than laying flat on my back on a bed or even sitting in an ordinary couch or chair while the girl kneels on the floor in front of me, but only IF there were a large porthole cut into the face area of the table as well so I could watch the girl giving me the blowjob underneath! lol. But there is no mention of that. And as long as we're creating special tables for this purpose, why not angle the table at about 45 degrees from the floor so the guy getting a blowjob could essentially lean forward in a semi wall-type glory hole position? Then the girl could sit much more comfortably on a short stool on the other side of that angled table and not be working against gravity so much or bumping her forehead on the underside of the table trying to move up and down (or is it down and up?) on the guy's dick.

Either way, you kill half the pleasure of it if the girl is going to be unseen on the underside of that table. Cut a porthole in the face area of that table so the guy can at least see what's being done to his dick if he wants to!

After the disaster at Addict on day 1 - I decided to stick to head to Cherry massage where I had a good experience in my last trip with Focus. This time I booked BB. Looks like she is highly in demand as I couldn't book a 2 hour session because of prior bookings.

She has a great body and friendly face. The first photo on the website is pretty close to what she looks in real life. She doesn't speak too much. But is friendly enough. What happened in the room was fairly ritual. She undressed me and led to the shower. Thorough scrubbing down followed by the mouthwash (I find that thing funny in all Thai places). Sex in multiple positions with she taking the cock up the backside like a champ. After the 1st shot. Another round of quick shower followed by a decent massage. Second shot was a BBBJ (no CIM).

Overall pretty happy with the experience. Would repeat Cherry for sure. Maybe with Yaya?

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1979331]I've seen this porn as well. Can't say I've seen this kind of massage table. It probably doesn't exist as a service in Bangkok. There isn't really that much diversification here. I know Bangkok is supposed to be like the sex / freak capital of the world but it simply isn't. They're actually pretty standard fare and even sub-standard for western standards. This place is about cheap, quantity over quality. But if you look around enough, you can find (a little bit of) both.[/QUOTE]Just search Google Images with "glory hole massage table". Personally can't imagine being able to climax lying face down on a table, but then again there are guys who get off on the whole glory hole concept, so different strokes. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1979351]
Either way, you kill half the pleasure of it if the girl is going to be unseen on the underside of that table. Cut a porthole in the face area of that table so the guy can at least see what's being done to his dick if he wants to![/QUOTE]I didn't try the "under the table service" but I can confirm when I was at Analisa a couple weeks ago (see report below) I noticed my massage table had this hole in the middle.

And yes it also has a hole for your head. But you'd need a light below the table to notice anything.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1979088]Hi.

I know it sounds lame, but it brings back nostalgia and the sheer expectation. So, any suggestions on oily massage places with a hole in the centre of the massage table for easy wedding tackle access? I've been in a femin-nazi sex prison and have a week in LOS to bang as many hotties as I can. I guess you can tell the new arrivals by the huge grin from ear to ear and wide eyed wonder of living the way men should.[/QUOTE]Hi. Some times ago I found this web site [URL]http://www.bangkokmilkingtable.com/[/URL] don't ask me if is good or not because I never tried and I never read a report about this service. So lets try and let us know!

Thanks everyone. It is more to do with the anticipation while acting all cool as if it is just a massage. Once warmed up with a nice scrotal massage, it's off the table, onto a bed, get sucked then depending on my mood, usually legs up high and bang her silly, more points if she has arms long enough for a reach around whilst DFK. I tip well for good service, am polite and nice to the girls, but by good service I mean DFK, BBJCIM, no starfish factor, and a girly giggle to boot. Some of the better girls play with butthole and / or have toys etc for round 3-4. If anyone has any recommendations, PM me. I'll take up the Christian G challenge and report back.

Thanks for HUD on Pattaya. Been there ages ago, but agree, best ratio and bang for buck. The Phallus / Pahllus misnomer was originally a typo and I've never corrected it. Funny, I met Jackson in Recolletta years ago and he asked the same thing.

It will be good to be back where I do not have to deal with Femi-Nazi bullshit or horny. I've always been amazed at the good cheer and fun between fellows in LOS who have their natural biological needs met without a fuss. I've never understood why women think we cannot control our urges. It's because we are men dear, it's what we do when not building bridges, growing food, inventing stuff, building empires and a lot of other stuff women depend on yet castigate us for loving their bodies they do so much to dress up and show off to us. Except of course the 40+ battle axe types who wonder why guys run from their bristling asexual persona.

Life is good!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1979576] Some of the better girls play with butthole and / or have toys etc for round 3-4. [/QUOTE]For anal, toys, multi shot, 3 some, lesbo and more you can try Eden Club in Sukhumvit soi 7/1 [URL]http://edenbangkok.com/login/login.php[/URL] long time I don't go back at Eden, probably not a good quality girls, but high PSE.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1979677]For anal, toys, multi shot, 3 some, lesbo and more you can try Eden Club in Sukhumvit soi 7/1 [URL]http://edenbangkok.com/login/login.php[/URL] long time I don't go back at Eden, probably not a good quality girls, but high PSE.[/QUOTE]Frankly all of these services you can get at Tulip as well without the girls going through the same routine over and over again. I found Eden after a few repeats totally boring because the script never varies.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1979706]Frankly all of these services you can get at Tulip as well without the girls going through the same routine over and over again. I found Eden after a few repeats totally boring because the script never varies.[/QUOTE]He ask for toys also. I never heard that Tulip have toys available, for this I suggest Eden Club.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1979706]Frankly all of these services you can get at Tulip as well without the girls going through the same routine over and over again. I found Eden after a few repeats totally boring because the script never varies.[/QUOTE]+1. I was bored with the Eden script after just one visit.

3 weeks ago I decided to give Mai and Nong's Milking Table a go. I was curious and wanted to try it. The person making the booking is cool, helpful and seems to actually listen. After her advice I booked EE1 & EE3. You can check the details of the service they provide on their site. ([URL]http://www.bangkokbbw.com/[/URL]). I haven't been to a massage service in BKK before but a few soapies in China. What appealed to me about these ladies is they bring that freaky table. Anyway, I really really enjoyed it.

EE1 is quite a bit older. Late 30's. Early 40's I would say but her technique is awesome. She is also pretty freaky, A+ and eager to please. She is best if paired with EE3 who is probably their hottest, they call her their best performer. Admittedly it is a bit of routine and they will do their best to have you come with BJ and HJ but with the two girls working together. One above the table and one below, building in intensity very gradually it was the most orgasm I have had in a very long time. Completely drained me. I never saw that much cum before. Something about massaging the prostate.

I didn't want to come on the table. My plan was to hold out. That didn't work. I lost it on the table after about 20 min. So fine, I thought, let it happen, enjoy it, get another shot in in the next 1.5 h. No. That wouldn't normally be difficult for me but it was impossible that night. They completely drained me. And they tried like hell to make the second one. I have an Asian butt fetish. Not a huge booty. A cute pert peachy Asian bum. Which EE3 has in spades. Neither had great breasts, both a little saggy and small but butts are my thing. Once on the bed, I had butt in my face, with the other one working me, then swoop. There were dildos in their butts. I also tried Anal with EE3 but she was too tight. It was the closest raunchy PSE I had with service providers. Different positions, lots of energy from them but I just couldn't do a second one. The next day I was also dry. Again not normal for me.

I liked it so much I went back for seconds but this time with EE3 and EE4. EE4 is much prettier than the others. Early 30's, has some baby damage, but the real problem was no chemistry. Either she didn't like me or she didn't much care for it. It was lackluster. EE3 was still hot but without EE1 who I think is one of the owners (Nong) is less the performer she was the first time. They did let me get my perv on, and they did make me come twice so I shouldn't be complaining. It just wasn't as intense as the first time.

If you haven't tried this kind of thing before and you're not afraid its going to make you gay. Haha - I thought it was great. Expensive by what I'm seeing with other posts. Do let me know if there is another pervie massage service that comes to your hotel with an actual table. I mean the type of table with two holes.

[QUOTE=EthanHunt123;1979352]After the disaster at Addict on day 1 - I decided to stick to head to Cherry massage where I had a good experience in my last trip with Focus. This time I booked BB. Looks like she is highly in demand as I couldn't book a 2 hour session because of prior bookings.

She has a great body and friendly face. The first photo on the website is pretty close to what she looks in real life. She doesn't speak too much. But is friendly enough. What happened in the room was fairly ritual. She undressed me and led to the shower. Thorough scrubbing down followed by the mouthwash (I find that thing funny in all Thai places). Sex in multiple positions with she taking the cock up the backside like a champ. After the 1st shot. Another round of quick shower followed by a decent massage. Second shot was a BBBJ (no CIM).

Overall pretty happy with the experience. Would repeat Cherry for sure. Maybe with Yaya?[/QUOTE]I've been into Cherry a few times looking for BB but she's always busy and then goes home early. Once I was looking for BB but she wasn't there so the mamasan insisted on the line-up which is a complete waste of my time. I did like the look of Yaya but assumed she was a mum or not A+ so said I'd come back later for BB. Once the girls had left I asked the mamasan about Yaya and she told me she is A+ and baby-free so I said I'll take her. The mamasan called her back but Yaya started acting like a bit of a b1tch. The only reason I can think of is that she was sulking because I didn't choose her straight away or because she thought I was more interested in her sister (BB). Anyway, with Ninja away I thought I'd give Yaya another go but was told that she'd gone back to Isaan for a long time so who knows when she'll be back? Ninja would never act like a b1tch and is a lot better looking. Please come back!

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1979710]He ask for toys also. I never heard that Tulip have toys available, for this I suggest Eden Club.[/QUOTE]You are right, they don't provide any toys at Tulip but the ladies are happy to use them if you bring some with you. A good handyman always carries his own tools 😈.

[QUOTE=*****man;1979837]...Once the girls had left I asked the mamasan about Yaya and she told me she is A+ and baby-free so I said I'll take her. The mamasan called her back but Yaya started acting like a bit of a b1tch. The only reason I can think of is that she was sulking because I didn't choose her straight away or because she thought I was more interested in her sister (BB).[/QUOTE]I went with Yaya several months ago. She is baby free (at least from the looks) with a nice body by my meager standards, and preferred it up the backside when I saw her (her ass was not particularly tight). She encouraged me to see her sister BB on my next visit, but have yet to do so. Yaya's attitude was good, and her service was well above average but not stellar.

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1980018]I went with Yaya several months ago. She is baby free (at least from the looks) with a nice body by my meager standards, and preferred it up the backside when I saw her (her ass was not particularly tight). She encouraged me to see her sister BB on my next visit, but have yet to do so. Yaya's attitude was good, and her service was well above average but not stellar.[/QUOTE]Yaya does it all, has a pretty good skill set, but is a bit moody, and by my standards lacks in intensity. Not the best actress.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1980045]Yaya does it all, has a pretty good skill set, but is a bit moody, and by my standards lacks in intensity. Not the best actress.[/QUOTE]Moody means inconsistent moods, or not the sweetest girl around? I guess her web site pics don't really appeal to me that much.

Does anyone have any comments on Cathy or Lisa? If web site pics are realistic, they may be more my taste.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980054]Moody means inconsistent moods, or not the sweetest girl around? I guess her web site pics don't really appeal to me that much.

Does anyone have any comments on Cathy or Lisa? If web site pics are realistic, they may be more my taste.[/QUOTE]Inconsistent moods in this case. I find Yaya to be very attractive facially and body wise. No real huge Isaan markers even though she hails from there. Her sister BB is not bad looking either but suffers from the same demeanor disorder, in fact she might even be moodier. It might be fun to see if they would go together. Having them watch each other take it up the pooper would be a hoot.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1980160]Inconsistent moods in this case. I find Yaya to be very attractive facially and body wise. No real huge Isaan markers even though she hails from there. Her sister BB is not bad looking either but suffers from the same demeanor disorder, in fact she might even be moodier. It might be fun to see if they would go together. Having them watch each other take it up the pooper would be a hoot.[/QUOTE]I can't stand moody girls and Yaya definitely came across as moody the only time I met her. I won't waste any more time going to Cherry as it seems attitude problems are the norm there. I'll have to abstain from A+ until Snow White recruits some better talent. Last time I was there Nam was the only A+ baby-free girl available and she's a bit fat with a face I didn't find doable.

I'm also thinking that with no other decent options available I might need to try Ja from Bamboo. I'll pay the 500 baht surcharge if there are no better options.

[QUOTE=*****man;1980197]

I'm also thinking that with no other decent options available I might need to try Ja from Bamboo. I'll pay the 500 baht surcharge if there are no better options.[/QUOTE]Ja is another mum I hear so I won't bother.

[QUOTE=*****man;1980197]I can't stand moody girls and Yaya definitely came across as moody the only time I met her. I won't waste any more time going to Cherry as it seems attitude problems are the norm there. I'll have to abstain from A+ until Snow White recruits some better talent. Last time I was there Nam was the only A+ baby-free girl available and she's a bit fat with a face I didn't find doable.[/QUOTE]Talent level across the board at the PSEs is poor. And truthfully, I really don't think it will ever get that much better. The scene has changed. Gals that have a brain are working online. I don't blame them.

Thanks mer zues it was called sky massage you jogged my memory, maybe someone has reports on the PSE services in there.

Well Syzgies most girls cum a few times your right but I have found ones who orgasm more the most ever was my GF who I counted 40 times when I had Viagra and it took 2 plus hours and I had to stop from exhaustion she could of done a lot more I reckon but obviously her body was also very tired but I guess she just has an abnormal pussy perhaps but its definitely neatly normal women can cum many more times than males and Dan73 you do have strange ideas porn is not real and I don't think there is any probables how long you stay inside the lady's in the PSE shops you can stay inside for however long your session is and if you want to last a long time you should perhaps actually build the endurance for it such as I do the old fashioned way with an hours running and a few hundred push ups daily since vigorously sex with a PSE lady for 1 hour is no physically easier and no strange theories of yours are going to make up for that LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980054]Does anyone have any comments on Cathy or Lisa? If web site pics are realistic, they may be more my taste.[/QUOTE]I've met Cathy once back in October. She is pretty and good looking in my opinion. A lot more attractive in real life than her pics on Cherry's website. She's got beautiful boobs, a flat stomach, no baby, she is slim and got a very nice rack but I did not repeat her. Although she's got a pretty face she doesn't smile much and looks like she's constantly serious. I was not well received, basically she brought me to the room, went to take her stuffs, took off her cloth, we entered in the shower and she still didn't say anything. I remember that I was the one to start talking to her and trying to put a better ambiance. She doesn't speak much English (I know it's not a big deal for you, but maybe some other guys would be interested in her also). No anal of course otherwise I think I would have repeated and DFK was light. I fucked her twice in my 2 hour session and received a very good BBBJ before the second round. She was a lot sweeter after spending half an hour together but I had the feeling that she does not have a lot of respect for her customers or she doesn't trust us at all. At least it was my experience, she might have a better attitude with other guys. I booked her at 3 pm, she started working at 11 am that day and she already had some customers before me as there was still the smell of condom on her pussy so I guess that I might not be the only one to find her pretty. I enjoyed to fuck her and her pussy was good but it was not a super tight one. If her attitude was better I would I repeated her for sure.

Yesterday, I went to Snow White at about noon time.

Just one girl, Emmy, available at that time, but that was enough for me.

Emmy is in her late 20's, about 160 cm tall, straight, long brown hair, with a nice small be cup and 34 body size. I can't remember if she has kids, but if so, you can't see much about it. While her body is truly nice, her face didn't match quite with it. She has some chinese looks for me and it looks ok to me, albeit she uses too much make up, but most guys might find her face below average.

Anyway, Emmy is a true performer and definitely eager to please you.

Nice foreplay while taking a shower together when I got a first BBBJ, more DT like BBBJ when we were back on the bed. Emmy offers all services you can expect from a girl at Snow White: deep BBBJ, DFK, rimming and all kinds of fucking. She took a good and long ass pounding without any complaints as well as she didn't complain about the porn style like cumshot on her face.

I really like her bubbly style, although her English is rather limited, but she mainly talked in thai. When it comes to PSE IMHO you can't go wrong with Emmy.

P.S. She even remembered my name from the last time about 3 month ago.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1980418]I've met Cathy once back in October. She is pretty and good looking in my opinion. A lot more attractive in real life than her pics on Cherry's website. She's got beautiful boobs, a flat stomach, no baby, she is slim and got a very nice rack but I did not repeat her. Although she's got a pretty face she doesn't smile much and looks like she's constantly serious. I was not well received, basically she brought me to the room, went to take her stuffs, took off her cloth, we entered in the shower and she still didn't say anything. I remember that I was the one to start talking to her and trying to put a better ambiance. She doesn't speak much English (I know it's not a big deal for you, but maybe some other guys would be interested in her also). No anal of course otherwise I think I would have repeated and DFK was light. I fucked her twice in my 2 hour session and received a very good BBBJ before the second round. She was a lot sweeter after spending half an hour together but I had the feeling that she does not have a lot of respect for her customers or she doesn't trust us at all. [/QUOTE]Sounds perfect for me. It is my task to make her lighten up, once she realises I am not demanding and not very serious. I will make my normal jokes and goofing around in Thai, to make her relax if at all possible. I am up for the Challenge to get a good GFE out of her.

Though Bongkot was closed I went to Snow White again.

Just 2 girls available (2 more girls were busy), so I choosed Pim (not Pimmy). Pim is from Nakhon Phanom, 28 years (but looked older for me), has light red short hair and has a coloured tattoo on her left shoulder. She is about 155 cm tall and has a silicone enhanced see cup. IMHO it's too big for her small body as well as too hard. Same as Emmy, Pim has a very nice body, but an average face at best. She was friendly and caring but not too much talkative.

Took a shower together, but no BBBJ there. Anyway her BJ technique is very good and she takes the cock deep down the throat. She did DFK, but not very passionately, but maybe YMMV. But Pim took the buttfucking like a real pro. It seemed that she enjoyed the long and quite hard pounding of her ass, but I rather think that she was just faking. Didn't matter for me, because I enjoyed it. In the end I finished on her big tits.

All in all my money was well spent on Pim. If you like a no nonsense hardcore (butt) fuck, Pim is good to go. If you want a little bit more GFE, you better choose another girl.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1980593]Though Bongkot was closed I went to Snow White again.

Just 2 girls available (2 more girls were busy).[/QUOTE]I went last night and the lineup was surprisingly well stocked. Wonder why so few when you went?

[QUOTE=*****man;1980197]I won't waste any more time going to Cherry as it seems attitude problems are the norm there. I'll have to abstain from A+ until Snow White recruits some better talent. Last time I was there Nam was the only A+ baby-free girl available and she's a bit fat with a face I didn't find doable.[/QUOTE]At Cherry, Bowi was consistently nice and a good performer for me over several sessions. Does A+, not sure if baby-free, but no observable damage, was energetic and GFE too.

Nam at Snow White is a mixed bag. She's good for those sessions where you don't care much for her pleasure or chemistry and just want be serviced the way it suits you. Not the world's pretties face, but nice body and looks better after getting a bit messy. I really like her and can get her to do exactly what I like, but I think she might not do it on her own initiative.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1980626]Wonder why so few when you went?[/QUOTE]Probably because I went there at noon time.

While coming in on the train from the airport I discovered easy access to LaBelle. Go to Petchuburi on the MRT and use exit #1. When you exit go left along the main road, and while going there you will pass a Honda dealership and a rather large outdoor BBQ place with a Japanese name on your left. It is less than 10 minutes from the station. However, my trip was wasted because the regular girls (3000 or 3800, I don't remember which but it really didn't matter) were just average looking. There were three so-called models for 6, 7 and 8 K, with only the 6 K one appealing to me, but I can't justify spending that much when there are many other girls in town as cute but far less expensive.

Ceasers is closed for the second time in three years, probably for good this time. Emmanuel had a surprisingly good lineup on New Years Eve afternoon all with MJ noses but lots of cute girls with real big tits that looked mostly real. Their 6 K+ models were better looking than those at LaBelle. I didn't partake because of what happened below.

I received my pleasures at Merci which is at the opposite end of the strip mall from where Nataree used to be. I was impressed by a good selection of doable girls at 2 K. My first girl with smallish tits at 2 K said she was 25 but probably closer to 30, but she has never had a baby and the sex was marvelous with a BBBJ included and a GF experience. My next selection at 2. 8 K does not have a pretty face but has fantastic tits, so me being a tit guy I chose her, who said she is a believable 25. She has also not given birth and her body was very shapely especially the jugs. She offered a BBBJ and was truly my GF for 90 minutes. I liked her so much I booked her for the day after next, and the second session was better than the first because the feeling out process (no pun intended) was already completed.

I didn't check the other neighborhood establishments because Meci was all I needed.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1981202]While coming in on the train from the airport I discovered easy access to LaBelle. Go to Petchuburi on the MRT and use exit #1. When you exit go left along the main road, and while going there you will pass a Honda dealership and a rather large outdoor BBQ place with a Japanese name on your left. It is less than 10 minutes from the station. However, my trip was wasted because the regular girls (3000 or 3800, I don't remember which but it really didn't matter) were just average looking. There were three so-called models for 6, 7 and 8 K, with only the 6 K one appealing to me, but I can't justify spending that much when there are many other girls in town as cute but far less expensive.

Ceasers is closed for the second time in three years, probably for good this time. Emmanuel had a surprisingly good lineup on New Years Eve afternoon all with MJ noses but lots of cute girls with real big tits that looked mostly real. Their 6 K+ models were better looking than those at LaBelle. I didn't partake because of what happened below.
[/QUOTE]I agree re La Belle. It is quite difficult to find the really pretty girls that also are good in the room. Always been easy access though. I use motorcycle or MRT or even walk across footbridge over the canal if coming from Soi 23. In old days I was a regular at Mona Lisa. It was better than La Belle really, even quite old.

I imagine Amsterdam girls have moved to Emmanuelle and that might be reason for the improved line up. Amsterdam was my regular place, previously. Could be some Nataree girls in there as well (the legal ones).

I will check out Merci some time. I see it is right next door to Nataree. Isn't that where Subway Massage was before? It looks to have been totally reconstructed next to the Nataree building. or maybe just the facade. I have vague recollections now of going inside there once for a look when it was very new.

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Says that Merci opened May 2015. They must benefit greatly from the Nataree closure.

Old pic of the site included (pre Merci).