Cartagena Reports

[QUOTE=Nypher;2896560]What my comment boils down to is Vets giving information to a country that they have not been to in 10 years.

Similar happened to me when these old heads were talking about Boca Chica in DR like they were just there last week. Then when I get there I find everything moved to Sosua. That's why I say, get recent info not "back in my day" stories.[/QUOTE]That is funny. My first 2 times in DR in 2006 Boca Chica was poppin. There were some beautiful girls there and they were cheap. 1000 pesos and a chick would stay with you all night. After that, the place fell right off a cliff. These days I only go to Boca Chica from Santo Domingo during the day to go to the beach or hang out with friends. As mongering is concerned, I literally have not seen a pretty girl there in well over 10 years. There are not even many chicks there. On any given night when the freaks come out, there are never any more than 10 chicks. And 9 and a half of those I would not fuck with Elvis's dick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2896585]And 9 and a half of those I would not fuck with Elvis's dick.[/QUOTE]So now looks matter? You are many things Mr. E but consistent is not one of them.

And you do not need to worry about my dick. If I found out I had fucked any of the so called "average looking" women you had been with, I would cut it off.

Just got back from cartagena so I'll report what I can remember about the state if el centro.

I was in el centro every night from Tues night to sat night. Tues night was slow as hell in el centro. Streets was practically empty. Not many girls walking around. Things picked up Wed and Thurs to be in full bloom Friday and Sat night.

So it appears the girls are not really being harassed by the cops anymore. Guys are talking to the girls right in front of the police most times. Most cops don't give a fuck what is going on, then you have those hard-asses who are trying to make a name for themselves I guess and they keep telling the girls to move on. One cop I noticed would only tells the girls to move. There could be a group of gringos standing right next one or two girls and he would only tell the girls to keep walking. But for the most part, the girls are walking the blocks where the clubs are. Most of the police concentration was on the street with Alquimico and Monkey Bar. Cops would post up outside every night. One night all the cops disappeared at 2 am as soon as Alquimico closed. There was a heavy police presence this weekend. I would say that the cops were situated outside of any club that was open. Alquimico, Monkey Bar, Mondo, VSOP, XO and El Pa'quin (I think I fucked up this name though). There was some military presence, but I think that was because the mayor was in el centro that night.

Anyway, I can say that on Fri and Sat night, there was some really nice talent walking around. Some I would even say worked out of DV. But there was a lack of guys for sure. It wasn't the amount that I'm use to seeing. The kids are for the most part gone, I did see a few but there were where the police were not. The rappers are still in the city during the day and night. Guess the mayor failed to stop that. The horse carriages are still in the city, guess the mayor failed on that too.

The girls can enter the clock tower plaza but they can't stand around there. They would walk there and see who standing around. There didn't appear to be any restriction to the direction you can walk down any street.

I went to Androgeno on Wed night just to see what it was like. I wasn't impressed at all. Only the from room was available. They are still working on the 2nd latin room. But it was the same Delirium girls in there. I heard Fri and Sat were the worst. It was wall to wall packed and you can barely move. Glad I didn't see that. But hey some people like those spaces with all those people in one crapped area. I didn't check out Terraza 47 (Rooftop 47) which is suppose to the Space equivalent outside of the center. I have seen videos and it looks nice but it has nothing but tables and couches. I don't see too much of a standing area in case you didn't want to buy a table. But from the looks of it, it looks way better that Androgeno in case you wanted to place that looks nice to go to.

I will say this: There are no girls to find in the clubs in el centro! . So please don't go with your crew thinking it was anything like last year or earlier. I'm watching groups go in the clubs all excited to be disappointed when they exit 10 min later asking where the girls. I said, oh you have been following what is going on since the start of the year? Jajaja The current open clubs are sausage-fest unless a guy brings a girl with them. But even then there is no guarantee she will get inside if she's dressed to much like a puta. I saw a fine girl get rejected and dumb guy goes inside with his group dumping her. 10 min later he comes out looking for her after realizing there was nothing inside. LOL. We were all dying laughing, me, my guide brother and some of the other guides. They were joking as this guy was running down the street trying to find the girl again.

I went to Hollywood beach on Thurs. I would say that the ratio might have been more guys to girls that day. For some reason, not all the girls in the city go to the beach and I was told that's because they can't spend money needed to be at the beach just to give a guy a number and never get that callback. It starts to get too expensive over a weeks time if she doesn't work. But there was some nice ones out that day. I heard Friday was a lot of people but I don't know if it was more guys that girls or vice versa.

I'll try to remember more if I can. This trip was filled with up and downs and fucking close calls to getting stuck in a fucked up situation but nothing that threatened my life or safety.

I'll add this, speaking Spanish does open a few small doors even with the locals (I call anyone living there local, Colombians and Venezuelans). My spanish isn't intermediate according to me, but they tell me they understand me and it's better than most they normally hear. I realize when I'm high, I seem to understand what they are saying much better. I was listening to whole conversations and laughing with them.

[QUOTE=Traveler3345;2896922]I'll try to remember more if I can.[/QUOTE]Did you pork any WGs and if so, how much did it cost?

[QUOTE=Traveler3345;2896922]Just got back from cartagena so I'll report what I can remember about the state if el centro.

I was in el centro every night from Tues night to sat night. Tues night was slow as hell in el centro. Streets was practically empty. Not many girls walking around. Things picked up Wed and Thurs to be in full bloom Friday and Sat night.

So it appears the girls are not really being harassed by the cops anymore. Guys are talking to the girls right in front of the police most times. Most cops don't give a fuck what is going on, then you have those hard-asses who are trying to make a name for themselves I guess and they keep telling the girls to move on. One cop I noticed would only tells the girls to move. There could be a group of gringos standing right next one or two girls and he would only tell the girls to keep walking. But for the most part, the girls are walking the blocks where the clubs are. Most of the police concentration was on the street with Alquimico and Monkey Bar. Cops would post up outside every night. One night all the cops disappeared at 2 am as soon as Alquimico closed. There was a heavy police presence this weekend. I would say that the cops were situated outside of any club that was open. Alquimico, Monkey Bar, Mondo, VSOP, XO and El Pa'quin (I think I fucked up this name though). There was some military presence, but I think that was because the mayor was in el centro that night.

Anyway, I can say that on Fri and Sat night, there was some really nice talent walking around. Some I would even say worked out of DV. But there was a lack of guys for sure. It wasn't the amount that I'm use to seeing. The kids are for the most part gone, I did see a few but there were where the police were not. The rappers are still in the city during the day and night. Guess the mayor failed to stop that. The horse carriages are still in the city, guess the mayor failed on that too.

The girls can enter the clock tower plaza but they can't stand around there. They would walk there and see who standing around. There didn't appear to be any restriction to the direction you can walk down any street.

I went to Androgeno on Wed night just to see what it was like. I wasn't impressed at all. Only the from room was available. They are still working on the 2nd latin room. But it was the same Delirium girls in there. I heard Fri and Sat were the worst. It was wall to wall packed and you can barely move. Glad I didn't see that. But hey some people like those spaces with all those people in one crapped area. I didn't check out Terraza 47 (Rooftop 47) which is suppose to the Space equivalent outside of the center. I have seen videos and it looks nice but it has nothing but tables and couches. I don't see too much of a standing area in case you didn't want to buy a table. But from the looks of it, it looks way better that Androgeno in case you wanted to place that looks nice to go to.

I will say this: There are no girls to find in the clubs in el centro! . So please don't go with your crew thinking it was anything like last year or earlier. I'm watching groups go in the clubs all excited to be disappointed when they exit 10 min later asking where the girls. I said, oh you have been following what is going on since the start of the year? Jajaja The current open clubs are sausage-fest unless a guy brings a girl with them. But even then there is no guarantee she will get inside if she's dressed to much like a puta. I saw a fine girl get rejected and dumb guy goes inside with his group dumping her. 10 min later he comes out looking for her after realizing there was nothing inside. LOL. We were all dying laughing, me, my guide brother and some of the other guides. They were joking as this guy was running down the street trying to find the girl again.

I went to Hollywood beach on Thurs. I would say that the ratio might have been more guys to girls that day. For some reason, not all the girls in the city go to the beach and I was told that's because they can't spend money needed to be at the beach just to give a guy a number and never get that callback. It starts to get too expensive over a weeks time if she doesn't work. But there was some nice ones out that day. I heard Friday was a lot of people but I don't know if it was more guys that girls or vice versa.

I'll try to remember more if I can. This trip was filled with up and downs and fucking close calls to getting stuck in a fucked up situation but nothing that threatened my life or safety.

I'll add this, speaking Spanish does open a few small doors even with the locals (I call anyone living there local, Colombians and Venezuelans). My spanish isn't intermediate according to me, but they tell me they understand me and it's better than most they normally hear. I realize when I'm high, I seem to understand what they are saying much better. I was listening to whole conversations and laughing with them.[/QUOTE]Thank you for update. It's a shame Dolce is still closed, always 15-20 genuine babes to check out for free. I'm sure some Dolce level girls may prowl the streets still, but the hottest ones seemed to like the discretion of being inside. Still even a wild trip I only need 2 maybe 3 amazing girls so while volume is low hopefully the top end of talent is still there.

Less guys, and the street walking being less comfortable for girls probably makes it even easier to get better prices. It wasn't too hard to get 300 k-400 k cop with top Dolce girls, so I'd like to think 250-300 K is possible if everything goes right.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2897004]Did you pork any WGs and if so, how much did it cost?[/QUOTE]I with people would stop asking these kinds of vague questions in public. Take it to PMs.

What exactly does the answer to your question accomplish?

Think about it.

Do you know Traveler3345 type of chica?

Do you think their type of chica will be your type of chica?

Do you think Traveler3345 is going to post a picture of the chica and provide the price so people can see looks to price ratio?

Do you think Traveler3345 is going to tell you all services they paid for once that bedroom door closed?

Do you think one chicas price is the standard for all mongers?

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2897004]Did you pork any WGs and if so, how much did it cost?[/QUOTE]I had someone with me this whole trip so I didn't really partake. The only one I did partake was cause the girl I was with wanted to watch me fuck another girl. She negotiated that from money she had. She won't tell me the price though.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2897134]Less guys, and the street walking being less comfortable for girls probably makes it even easier to get better prices. It wasn't too hard to get 300 k-400 k cop with top Dolce girls, so I'd like to think 250-300 K is possible if everything goes right.[/QUOTE]You are right. I saw countless girls sitting down in the streets rubbing their feet. I can imagine everyday in just sandals for hours has got to be painful especially when they are not used to it. But my amiga told me girls are taking way less than normal because of the street competition and less guys. So 200 -300 k may not be a bad figure to try and work with. Start at the low end. Ain't no girl going to walk away from just for a guy offering 200 k. Now you might have to settle for no BBBJ with that 200 k price though. Might be a dealbreaker for some guys.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2897159]I with people would stop asking these kinds of vague questions in public. Take it to PMs.

What exactly does the answer to your question accomplish?

Think about it.

Do you know Traveler3345 type of chica?

Do you think their type of chica will be your type of chica?

Do you think Traveler3345 is going to post a picture of the chica and provide the price so people can see looks to price ratio?

Do you think Traveler3345 is going to tell you all services they paid for once that bedroom door closed?

Do you think one chicas price is the standard for all mongers?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the defense. But you are right. I pondered how to answer that question but I couldn't. There is so much that goes into trying to answer that question anymore. Maybe a few years ago it would have been easy, but things have changed that shuck up the market in Cartagena over the years. Prices vary based on people's situations. I'll say this much, locals pay under 100 K, and taxi drivers get it for free cause they take the girls where they need to go when the girl has no money.

It was just nice to see that people were out and about doing the business they needed to do in the streets without too much police interference. Only thing left now is for the clubs to open and no say how long that will take. I saw the owner of Space arguing with police officers. He kept telling them that they were clowns and puppets in a stupid game that would produce no results. Shit will go back to the way it was. He was cursing at them and I guess they couldn't do nothing about it. I waited 15 min to see what would happen than I left.

[QUOTE=Traveler3345;2897362]Thanks for the defense. But you are right. I pondered how to answer that question but I couldn't. There is so much that goes into trying to answer that question anymore. Maybe a few years ago it would have been easy, but things have changed that shuck up the market in Cartagena over the years. Prices vary based on people's situations. I'll say this much, locals pay under 100 K, and taxi drivers get it for free cause they take the girls where they need to go when the girl has no money.

It was just nice to see that people were out and about doing the business they needed to do in the streets without too much police interference. Only thing left now is for the clubs to open and no say how long that will take. I saw the owner of Space arguing with police officers. He kept telling them that they were clowns and puppets in a stupid game that would produce no results. Shit will go back to the way it was. He was cursing at them and I guess they couldn't do nothing about it. I waited 15 min to see what would happen than I left.[/QUOTE]Its the same thing in the Discord groups where someone would post they just got back from Santa Fe and had lots of girls and some random will come along and reply with "how much did you pay?

There's no photos of the girls (age, body type, complexion), no location where they met the girls (calle, Discoteca, tinder) or time of meeting (morning, noon, night), no information on services (BBBJ, anal) but yet they want to know the price someone else paid with zero context of what was paid for jajaja!

As for the girls all out in the open walking around is killing them jaja. They can't hide in the clubs no more.

Many girls don't like walking the streets because they don't want people seeing them or the creep cam youtubers putting them on youtube, its the same with Hollywood Beach. The sugar daddies are watching KBS and cutting them off when they get caught on cam.

Glad you had fun, ill be back there soon, one of my chica says she's going to take me to some big ass Pablo Escobar water park and zoo near Medellin.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2897159]I with people would stop asking these kinds of vague questions in public. Take it to PMs.
Do you think one chicas price is the standard for all mongers?[/QUOTE]I think the price someone paid is an integral part of the report. Sure someone may not pay the same, but it gives a gauge to go by.

I was in Ethiopia a week and a half ago and because someone wrote prices, them hoes did not get over on me. Someone said do not pay more than $10. One chick tried to get me for $20. I stuck with $10. She hemmed and hawed and went to $15 and $13, but I stuck to the $10 that I saw in the report. Finally, she realized I knew better.

Someone had also written $50 for all night. Why did another chick think she was going to juice me for $100? She said $50 for her and $50 for the boss. Little did she know that I read ISG and I had gotten a message from the boss saying it was $50 total.

We would not even need an ISG without prices. Everyone could just use the old fashion way and jump in a taxi at a random destination and say take me to the girls with no idea of what they could be paying. The first thing I actually look for in a report is the price. Because if it is above a certain amount then I know not to even waste my time going anyway.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2897393]I think the price someone paid is an integral part of the report. Sure someone may not pay the same, but it gives a gauge to go by.

I was in Ethiopia a week and a half ago and because someone wrote prices, them hoes did not get over on me. Someone said do not pay more than $10. One chick tried to get me for $20. I stuck with $10. She hemmed and hawed and went to $15 and $13, but I stuck to the $10 that I saw in the report. Finally, she realized I knew better.

Someone had also written $50 for all night. Why did another chick think she was going to juice me for $100? She said $50 for her and $50 for the boss. Little did she know that I read ISG and I had gotten a message from the boss saying it was $50 total.

We would not even need an ISG without prices. Everyone could just use the old fashion way and jump in a taxi at a random destination and say take me to the girls with no idea of what they could be paying. The first thing I actually look for in a report is the price. Because if it is above a certain amount then I know not to even waste my time going anyway.[/QUOTE]While I understand what you're saying (use price in report in report as a baseline), but without context such as pictures, if that report don't have pictures to show what they got for $10 then you don't know what they got for $10, and I don't know what you got for $10. So someone like me might show up with my $10 looking for women under 120 lb natural with that Cape Verde exotic look expecting to pay $10 and they point me to the girls twice my size shaped like refrigerators with a big fucked-up afro (Eddie Murphy voice) LOL.

I'm that guy who would prefer ordering from a menu with pictures than plain text because then I can see exactly what I'm about to eat LOL.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2897455]While I understand what you're saying (use price in report in report as a baseline), but without context such as pictures, if that report don't have pictures to show what they got for $10 then you don't know what they got for $10, and I don't know what you got for $10. So someone like me might show up with my $10 looking for women under 120 lb natural with that Cape Verde exotic look expecting to pay $10 and they point me to the girls twice my size shaped like refrigerators with a big fucked-up afro (Eddie Murphy voice) LOL.

I'm that guy who would prefer ordering from a menu with pictures than plain text because then I can see exactly what I'm about to eat LOL.[/QUOTE]Even when you take places like Loutron in Medellin where the chicks may be 450,000 pesos it says nothing as to how the chick looks because there is a broad range of chicks for that same price. You may see the best chick you have seen in your life or the worst chick you have seen in your life, but it is best to know that if you do not bring 450 then you will be fucking neither of them. I am never concerned with how someone else's girl looked because I am going to go pick the one I want. Like we always say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

A buddy of mine is in Thailand now. I was trying to guide him through the process and the prices while I am still vacationing in Africa. After I told him do not pay more than $55 for a chick long time, he went right and paid a chick double that. I said man you fucked up. He was like he had to have her because she was dark and whatever. I said dude those chicks are a dime a dozen. Truth of the matter is that the whiter Chinese looking ones are the ones people tend to pay top money to. The next chick he got he followed my instruction and was happy as a clam. Then of course in true fashion the other chick wants more of her golden goose, but he has now wised up and wants to give her half of last time. She will not go for it. I said prime example of how guys go on the scene and fuck shit up. You gave her that now that is what she expects from you and will expect it from other guys too.

2 of the pics are the Thai chick my buddy paid too much money to and the rest are the $10 chicks in Ethiopia.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2897392]Glad you had fun, ill be back there soon, one of my chica says she's going to take me to some big ass Pablo Escobar water park and zoo near Medellin.[/QUOTE]Casa Napoles. It's half way between Medellin and Bogota. It used to be Pablo Escobar's old country club house. Now it has swimming pools with water slides, zoos, museums, and on site hotels and restaurants. I believe it has aguas termales (hotsprings) nearby too and a famous hippopotamus named Vanessa.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2897526]Even when you take places like Loutron in Medellin where the chicks may be 450,000 pesos it says nothing as to how the chick looks because there is a broad range of chicks for that same price. You may see the best chick you have seen in your life or the worst chick you have seen in your life, but it is best to know that if you do not bring 450 then you will be fucking neither of them. I am never concerned with how someone else's girl looked because I am going to go pick the one I want. Like we always say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

A buddy of mine is in Thailand now. I was trying to guide him through the process and the prices while I am still vacationing in Africa. After I told him do not pay more than $55 for a chick long time, he went right and paid a chick double that. I said man you fucked up. He was like he had to have her because she was dark and whatever. I said dude those chicks are a dime a dozen. Truth of the matter is that the whiter Chinese looking ones are the ones people tend to pay top money to. The next chick he got he followed my instruction and was happy as a clam. Then of course in true fashion the other chick wants more of her golden goose, but he has now wised up and wants to give her half of last time. She will not go for it. I said prime example of how guys go on the scene and fuck shit up. You gave her that now that is what she expects from you and will expect it from other guys too.

2 of the pics are the Thai chick my buddy paid too much money to and the rest are the $10 chicks in Ethiopia.[/QUOTE]Damn you just gave me Pattaya flashbacks when I asked someone where all the cute Thai girls are and the sent me to Hollywood club. Biggest mistake ever for a chocolate man. My boy and looked like someone dropped 2 rasins in elmers glue. Lmao. We got zero attention or girls from that club, they were chasing after the other white Asians in there. But 808, insomnia and Flexxx gave us all the love.

$10? I like that line up. They all in shape and look natural with a sprinkle of innocence especially that top right one in blue.

I can see why people are not freely giving information on them countries on that side of the world like Madagascar and Ethiopia because the degenerates will mess it up with the quickness.

Cartagena setup has def changed from what I read. This is my first time visit there and seeing how it works. Personally I had one mileroticos experience and I won't be doing it again (in CTG at least). Had to drive to some short time love hotel and the girl did not look the part like her pics. Just a quick cum and go experience. Now back to the other adventures.

Clubs / el centro.

As noted most of the main clubs were closed and it's prohibited for girls to lounge in the clock tower as before. You can't even stand there and talk to a girl. You have to walk with them and / or grab their #. After 10 pm there are soooo many girls walking around. There's def talent for sure and I grabbed plenty of digits but couldn't get to all of them. The complicated issue is the lodging. Viajero hotel was a nice find as a short time hotel but I got 2 diff rates on 2 diff nights. 150 k for 1 HR and then 200 k for the night until noon the next day. I guess it depends who is running the front desk. They def do their best to fence off the clock tower area but beyond that there is a 3-4 block radius near El pasquin + Alquimico where there are plenty of options walking around. They have plenty of cops on each corner to make sure you aren't breaking their rules. Just walk and go.

I had 3 diff girls and they were all hotties and they ran me 350 k, 400 k, 400 k. Unfortunately all of them had the added expense with the short time hotel which ranged from 150 k-200 k. 2 were from Venezuela and 1 from Colombia. Def want to bring your condoms too LOL.

Beach.

Another solid alternative was Playa Hollywood. The strip is long and there are many huts but I found that Kiosk #4 is where all the magic happens. It's pretty much the same place you see in the YouTube videos. You just have to be wary of the vendors that want to seat you. They are sharks and have diff menus with diff prices and will charge you for girls to seat with you. I believe they have some sort of arrangement with an agency. I got there around 1 pm but it didn't get packed with honeys till 4 ish. There was plenty of talent. Again, I would make sure you have a place to stay that allows visitors otherwise you got to find a short time hotel which in my case the ladies had one they knew of. I sat with 2 ladies and they each wanted 150 USD for an HR. The cost for them to join you at your beach chair was 60 k on top of the food + drinks. I grabbed their numbers, they were so hot. It's best to go to the place directly and try to avoid the vendors. Only annoying thing about the beach were the diff vendors and massage girls. You def want to bring cash.

Massage.

I did indulge in one of those massage girls for men. It's called HOM spa Cartagena. It's pretty much a standard rub and tug spot. You just want to grab one of their numbers while they're advertising on the streets. You give them your WhatsApp and you see the girls available, pick one, and set an appt. I got an appt with Andrea and it was pretty satisfying. 200 k for the HR massage and then she whispered the alternative as I made some "suggestions" for some fun. Gave her 200 k tip for a nude HJ. She was insanely hot with a nice pair of DDs. I grabbed her # to try to get her to come over for FS but no luck. Maybe some of the others offered it. Anyways once was enough for me. Def better than your avg rub and tug from an old provider back home. Massage was great too. Helps that I speak.

All in all I had a blast in CTG. I was there for a wedding so I could not indulge as much as I wanted to but I def had my fun. It's not as open and obvious as MDE and is pricier but there's plenty of fun to be had at night and in the beach.

[QUOTE=YounGun3393;2897789]Cartagena setup has def changed from what I read. This is my first time visit there and seeing how it works. Personally I had one mileroticos experience and I won't be doing it again (in CTG at least). Had to drive to some short time love hotel and the girl did not look the part like her pics. Just a quick cum and go experience. Now back to the other adventures.[/QUOTE]I've warned people about the websites many times but people like to point and click. I've been catfished too many times with these chicas putting up old pictures before they got pregnant and had a baby or its before crazy weight gain.

Clubs / el centro.

When your total cost of your Centro adventures is calculated, you were paying 500 K - 600 K for 1 pop which is on the high end but we all live and learn.

Beach.

Yes Kiosk #4 is the spot to be but the downside is that its the spot to be, for everyone, including the trans and the gays. At least in Centro you knew if you went into a club they were all women but Kiosk #4. If it looks like a Dolce chick (lots of plastic) then you better ask if they are tucking meat between their legs. And yes you have to be careful because the touts get menus from different restaurants and will give you a different one when the check comes so always take a picture.

Massage.

Those places are rip offs for extras. She basically charged the sex price for a handjob. I've been in the shoes before having the massage in my hotel room and when I asked for extras they threw out $400 like l was in Miami. I put her ass out with the quickness.

Maybe your next trip will be better.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2896185]Are you fluent in Spanish? When I went I contacted a fellow monger and he was very nice to set me up with a pretty girl. We went for dinner but from that point friendliness went south. Firstly the girl my friend knew brought the young girl to my hotel 2 hours late. On chatting the girl asked me what I liked to do. Since it was my first time I wanted to take in the sights. She was not interested. She wanted me to take private boat if one of her contacts for whole day of boating and cost was exorbitant. I wanted a quiet Asian type of subservient girl to go with the flow. Cartagena girls are not into that. They are all about money, money, and more money. Even if you shell out lots of money unless you live in Cartagena you will not be able to find sweet GF relationship. That is the impression I got. I did meet some down to earth older girl who I had fun with but beauty wise nothing to write home about.

When you stay 24/7 you need a pleasant companion. Otherwise it is a torture.

I have had very good GFE relationships in Sosua, Costa Rica, Colombia talking about Spanish girls. My Spanish is American Spanish which is a mix. Many do not understand. It is better to find a girl knowing at least passable English to have conversation with.[/QUOTE]Your inbox is full. Trying to PM you.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2897879]
Clubs / el centro.

When your total cost of your Centro adventures is calculated, you were paying 500 K - 600 K for 1 pop which is on the high end but we all live and learn.

Beach.

Yes Kiosk #4 is the spot to be but the downside is that its the spot to be, for everyone, including the trans and the gays. At least in Centro you knew if you went into a club they were all women but Kiosk #4. If it looks like a Dolce chick (lots of plastic) then you better ask if they are tucking meat between their legs. And yes you have to be careful because the touts get menus from different restaurants and will give you a different one when the check comes so always take a picture.

Massage.

Those places are rip offs for extras. She basically charged the sex price for a handjob. I've been in the shoes before having the massage in my hotel room and when I asked for extras they threw out $400 like l was in Miami. I put her ass out with the quickness.

Maybe your next trip will be better.[/QUOTE]Yes the added cost of a hotel def made it pricier but 500-600 k is not that much altogether unless you're cheap and stingy.

Same goes for the massage it was a great massage and it was in el centro. Those prices are more or less expected.

As I stated CTG is def one of, if not the most, priciest in COL. Just make sure you're lodging situation is clear and you'll save $$.

I prefer MDE and would have stayed there if not for the wedding I attended.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2897879]I've warned people about the websites many times but people like to point and click. I've been catfished too many times with these chicas putting up old pictures before they got pregnant and had a baby or its before crazy weight gain.

Clubs / el centro.

When your total cost of your Centro adventures is calculated, you were paying 500 K - 600 K for 1 pop which is on the high end but we all live and learn.

Beach.

Yes Kiosk #4 is the spot to be but the downside is that its the spot to be, for everyone, including the trans and the gays. At least in Centro you knew if you went into a club they were all women but Kiosk #4. If it looks like a Dolce chick (lots of plastic) then you better ask if they are tucking meat between their legs. And yes you have to be careful because the touts get menus from different restaurants and will give you a different one when the check comes so always take a picture.

Massage.

Those places are rip offs for extras. She basically charged the sex price for a handjob. I've been in the shoes before having the massage in my hotel room and when I asked for extras they threw out $400 like l was in Miami. I put her ass out with the quickness.

Maybe your next trip will be better.[/QUOTE]Good points. Never did Hollywood so it's good to know what to watch out for. $150 USD per pop is more than I'm trying to pay in Colombia, but I can understand why some tourists pay that in Cartagena.

[QUOTE=YounGun3393;2897948]Yes the added cost of a hotel def made it pricier but 500-600 k is not that much altogether unless you're cheap and stingy.[/QUOTE]That is women's talk in order to try to shame men into doing their bidding. If a woman will not spend 500-600 K on you, does that mean she is cheap and stingy as well, or does she get an excuse? Just because a person would rather pay prices on the level of where they are and not the level of where they come from, does not make them cheap and stingy. It actually makes them a smart shopper. Nobody tries to pull the cheap and stingy line on anything else except for trying to get pussy. If you walked into a car dealership and the salesman tried to sell you ever extra known to man and told you not to be cheap and stingy then you woupd probably have a fit.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2897880]Your inbox is full. Trying to PM you.[/QUOTE]Now it is open.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2898009]Good points. Never did Hollywood so it's good to know what to watch out for. $150 USD per pop is more than I'm trying to pay in Colombia, but I can understand why some tourists pay that in Cartagena.[/QUOTE]That's where the "we all live and learn comes in."

The added cost of the hotel put the price in the range for 2 pops overnight. This is why guest friendly accommodations are essential. I made a similar mistake my first trip and I constantly warn others to stay away from Palmetto Sunset in El Laguito so they don't repeat my mistake.

Found me a new spot. Armed guards outside with shotguns, they don't allow visitors but for $50 - $80 a night for a 2 bedroom with individually attached bathrooms and the ability to register 6 - 8 guests (both rooms usually have that queen bed with another bed that pulls out from under it) its good for a solo traveler.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2898031]That is women's talk in order to try to shame men into doing their bidding. If a woman will not spend 500-600 K on you, does that mean she is cheap and stingy as well, or does she get an excuse? Just because a person would rather pay prices on the level of where they are and not the level of where they come from, does not make them cheap and stingy. It actually makes them a smart shopper. Nobody tries to pull the cheap and stingy line on anything else except for trying to get pussy. If you walked into a car dealership and the salesman tried to sell you ever extra known to man and told you not to be cheap and stingy then you woupd probably have a fit.[/QUOTE]Same thought crossed my mind. If I had a peso for every time a chica called me tacaño LOL. I wish them luck because I know they will find someone happily willing to pay that price.

Brothers, you are paying way too much. Negotiate harder.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898476]Brothers, you are paying way too much. Negotiate harder.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, but the last time I tried to pay less the woman wasted too much time on my whatsapp, then said she was not interested at my low price. Maybe you are a cheap Charlie and want your women for free. You get what you pay for, often, or you go away with Blue Balls. LOL.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2898499]Thanks for the advice, but the last time I tried to pay less the woman wasted too much time on my whatsapp, then said she was not interested at my low price. Maybe you are a cheap Charlie and want your women for free. You get what you pay for, often, or you go away with Blue Balls. LOL.[/QUOTE]With these muchachas, there is no true correlation between price and service. The girl charging you 400 k pesos for a covered BJ, no kissing, and rushed doggy, will gladly sleep with a man for 150 and offer oral a natural and kissing like a girlfriend.

I feel the need to keep reminding you gents this, but these ladies don't typically earn that much money. The minimum wage in Colombia is 1. 2 MM pesos. Think about that. The hostess at the restaurant, the doorman at your AirBnB, the taxi driver taking you from point A to point be, earn that little typically. Sometimes less.

So put that into perspective when a chica tells you 400 k pesos. She doesn't get that consistently. That's a once in a blue moon type of wage. If it was more common, all the pretty girls in Colombia would just work in Cartagena. So the obvious implication is that she works for much less than that typically, with Colombian men. Men who pay her 150 k (which is still a great wage) for two shots and much better service.

What these girls are relying on is:

1. You believing that their high rates are normal and / or a bargain from rates in the US or Western Europe.

2. You being unwilling to walk away from the negotiation. You mongers have all the negotiating leverage. They need your money more than you need their bodies. There are more girls willing to sell sex than there are men able to buy it. When she quotes a crazy rate like that, WALK AWAY, and find another.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898569]There are more girls willing to sell sex than there are men able to buy it. When she quotes a crazy rate like that, WALK AWAY, and find another.[/QUOTE]You heard the man. He does not want to miss out on the pussy so he is willing to pay more.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898569]

What these girls are relying on is:

1. You believing that their high rates are normal and / or a bargain from rates in the US or Western Europe.

2. You being unwilling to walk away from the negotiation. You mongers have all the negotiating leverage. They need your money more than you need their bodies. There are more girls willing to sell sex than there are men able to buy it. When she quotes a crazy rate like that, WALK AWAY, and find another.[/QUOTE]1) It's no secret that people compare prices in Cartagena to what they pay for a lap dance in places like Atlanta. They could give 2 shitz about the market or what the average wage is in Colombia. They have a vacation budget to blow. How many times have guys said they surprisingly went home with money. In other words, they didn't spend their mongering budget. The fact that they budgeted way too much is an after thought. Some even equate how much they spent to how much fun they had.

2) Not sure dudes have all the leverage. She has a gold mine between her legs is how she sees it. All she needs is that one big score. She might also be receiving passive income from Western Union dudes. To most dudes walking around thirsty with a woody, time is more valuable than money because they are on vacation and for many this is the only time they can get any coochie. Girls will go home empty handed because they will eventually find a horny dude willing to pay. Dude ain't trying to spend half his vacation negotiating when he knows he pays 3 times as much for a lap dance back home and his vaca is 5 days. Not even talking about his webcam and Onlyfans expenditures. The thirst is real.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2898584]1) It's no secret that people compare prices in Cartagena to what they pay for a lap dance in places like Atlanta. They could give 2 shitz about the market or what the average wage is in Colombia. They have a vacation budget to blow. How many times have guys said they surprisingly went home with money. In other words, they didn't spend their mongering budget. The fact that they budgeted way too much is an after thought. Some even equate how much they spent to how much fun they had.

2) Not sure dudes have all the leverage. She has a gold mine between her legs is how she sees it. All she needs is that one big score. She might also be receiving passive income from Western Union dudes. To most dudes walking around thirsty with a woody, time is more valuable than money because they are on vacation and for many this is the only time they can get any coochie. Girls will go home empty handed because they will eventually find a horny dude willing to pay. Dude ain't trying to spend half his vacation negotiating when he knows he pays 3 times as much for a lap dance back home and his vaca is 5 days. Not even talking about his webcam and Onlyfans expenditures. The thirst is real.[/QUOTE]I agree with this!

My time is more valuable than a 100 usd. I'd rather get what I want when I want. I don't care if I pay more than the next guy or less than the next guy.

I go out and I pick the girl I want. The girl doesn't pick me.

I dictate exactly what I want and how I want it. She quotes a price and it's MY CHOICE to accept negotiate or whatever.

But here's the thing. I love how the haters say you're ruining it for the rest of us or I'm overpaying.

Last time I checked are we a team? More guys on here would hide their favorite hookers because they don't want to share or think others will overpay.

If someone gives me a recommendation then of course I'm not paying more than he did. Simple as that.

But MY time is much more valuable than a 100 bucks.

Also monger and groups like this board are the big minority compared to weekend warriors.

You can look at a girl and instantly know if she gets big $$ from elsewhere. It's really common sense. The hotter girls will quote high and stand firm. Where I would walk is if she tells me on top of the high price she's only doing CBJ. But if she's hot and taking a facial then I'm paying.

Is going to keep going back and forth and its not going to go anywhere, and its because of missing context.

People are too quick to dismiss another person's experience and replace it with their own expecting them to get the same result when they have no idea what that person is looking for in a woman.

Difference between people who lives there or have a shit ton of time there to find another girl so they can always walk away VS those who are there for a short weekend or limited time and don't want to waste their vacation haggling over price.

And the biggest difference I can think of is, will that gringo find another girl he finds attractive during his limited stay.

When I'm there 2-3 consecutive weeks I have friends who will pop in for a quick weekend adventure and it goes back to one of my previous posts where I said I stopped travelling with certain people and it was due to the type of girls they always look for and they will burn 90% of their trip trying to find a girl while tagging along with my chica and I every night on some third wheel shit. I stopped travelling with guys who only like big women (200 LB+), I stopped travelling with guys who only like older women (30+), I stopped travelling with guys who only like fake tits and ass women (Every damn night they want to go to Dolce and we have to buy a bottle to get in), I stopped travelling with guys who only like white skin women (Burned a whole weekend in CTG because of this), and I stopped travelling with guys who only like dark skin women (Burned a whole weekend in MDE because of this shit).

People value their time and money differently. Some people have more of one than the other, also they type of girl they are looking for, yes there are girls everywhere and they outnumber mongers 5-1 but are they the one the monger find attractive enough to want to spend his money on.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2898584]1) It's no secret that people compare prices in Cartagena to what they pay for a lap dance in places like Atlanta. They could give 2 shitz about the market or what the average wage is in Colombia. They have a vacation budget to blow. How many times have guys said they surprisingly went home with money. In other words, they didn't spend their mongering budget. The fact that they budgeted way too much is an after thought. Some even equate how much they spent to how much fun they had.

2) Not sure dudes have all the leverage. She has a gold mine between her legs is how she sees it. All she needs is that one big score. She might also be receiving passive income from Western Union dudes. To most dudes walking around thirsty with a woody, time is more valuable than money because they are on vacation and for many this is the only time they can get any coochie. Girls will go home empty handed because they will eventually find a horny dude willing to pay. Dude ain't trying to spend half his vacation negotiating when he knows he pays 3 times as much for a lap dance back home and his vaca is 5 days. Not even talking about his webcam and Onlyfans expenditures. The thirst is real.[/QUOTE]Men absolutely have all the leverage because these girls are broke. They don't earn very much and they don't save what they earn. Many of them have children to take care of, and they send the money back to their families. I need to keep emphasizing this: there are not enough men who are willing to pay 400 k pesos for sex for that to be a market clearing price. She knows that. She's relying on you not knowing that.

And you can absolutely be ripped off. That's your prerogative. You paying 3 x the going rate doesn't affect me at, since I don't pay those rates, and never will have to. Girls in Cartagena will have sex for 150 k.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898711]Men absolutely have all the leverage because these girls are broke. They don't earn very much and they don't save what they earn. Many of them have children to take care of, and they send the money back to their families. I need to keep emphasizing this: there are not enough men who are willing to pay 400 k pesos for sex for that to be a market clearing price. She knows that. She's relying on you not knowing that.

And you can absolutely be ripped off. That's your prerogative. You paying 3 x the going rate doesn't affect me at, since I don't pay those rates, and never will have to. Girls in Cartagena will have sex for 150 k.[/QUOTE]These guys are all simps and professional tricks. They don't even know the real Colombia. If they were concerned about actually getting a real value for their money they wouldn't even be in Cartagena they would be in Cucuta. So let them trick off their money and flash their gold chains (until that catches up with them LOL). Cartagena is basically another Panama City or Sosua now anyways.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898476]Brothers, you are paying way too much. Negotiate harder.[/QUOTE]Paying WAYYY TO MUCH. These guys are paying 3rd world cookers more money then doctors and lawyers in the United States make and they proudly doing it. It's insanity. But luckily I have some hidden places where gringos don't go so the prices are still great. Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.

[QUOTE=CkNice11;2898732]Paying WAYYY TO MUCH. These guys are paying 3rd world cookers more money then doctors and lawyers in the United States make and they proudly doing it. It's insanity. But luckily I have some hidden places where gringos don't go so the prices are still great. Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.[/QUOTE]Thailand been ruined ever since Zoom went over there and started promoting Pattaya as a place to find a wife. Pattaya of all places. Then that Rolling Loud concert kicked things into high gear because them same Sosua mongers that started to ruin Cartagena went over there and messed everything up. Everytime someone brings up getting a Zoom consultation in the travel group they get dunked on because his "girlfriend" is basically on a $125 a week retainer but he constantly promotes her being submissive doing all the housework and cooking, laundry, without him asking. I'm not even going to mention the outrageous prices he charges but as I've said before, the more people I interact with in these circles the more I'm finding it's gringos or military vets scamming and ripping off other gringos overseas to keep themselves afloat while over seas.

Same shit with Travelveristy, when anyone mentions his name to book a consultation they get dunked on too because his "girlfriend" still got that Monger in Asia porn video up.

Same with GameAbroad, stay getting dunked on.

The hot spots in Brazil is going to be to next to go thanks to that Paradise Sosua travel group.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2898714]These guys are all simps and professional tricks. They don't even know the real Colombia. If they were concerned about actually getting a real value for their money they wouldn't even be in Cartagena they would be in Cucuta. So let them trick off their money and flash their gold chains (until that catches up with them LOL). Cartagena is basically another Panama City or Sosua now anyways.[/QUOTE]I don't like insulting other men, especially in this case. I just want guys to get the most value for their dollar / euro, especially here in Colombia, where foreigners get taken advantage of so casually. So you pay 400 k for what another man pays 150 for. The 150 paying gent gets better service (oral a natural & 2 shots), while my foreign brethren pay way more fore pessimistic rushed service. It's just not right.

[QUOTE=CkNice11;2898732]Paying WAYYY TO MUCH. These guys are paying 3rd world cookers more money then doctors and lawyers in the United States make and they proudly doing it. It's insanity. But luckily I have some hidden places where gringos don't go so the prices are still great. Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.[/QUOTE]They didn't ruin Cartagena because there aren't enough men to go around. Those prices are not sticky because a muchacha can't afford to let you walk away. It's the difference between paying her rent or buying her son new shoes or not.

Think about it. If 350-400 k pesos was the going rate for short time in Cartagena, why would a Colombian working girl work in Barranquilla, Bogota, or Medellin for 150 k? The city would be flooded with ladies.

Let's put this in perspective. I live here in Cartagena. My girlfriend's dad, a Cartagenero, earns 1. 8 MM pesos a month managing a restaurant in Bocagrande. He's in his late 40's and has been doing this for 13 years. Now imagine earning 1/5 of what he makes for an hour of a girl's time. That sounds absolutely insane. And it is. 400 k pesos is a ridiculous amount of money for the vast majority of Colombians.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2898588]I agree with this!!
My time is more valuable than a 100 usd. I'the rather get what I want when I want. I don't care if I pay more than the next guy or less than the next guy.
I go out and I pick the girl I want. The girl doesn't pick me.
I dictate exactly what I want and how I want it. She quotes a price and it's MY CHOICE to accept negotiate or whatever.

But here's the thing. I love how the haters say you're ruining it for the rest of us or I'm overpaying.

Last time I checked are we a team? More guys on here would hide their favorite hookers because they don't want to share or think others will overpay.

If someone gives me a recommendation then of course I'm not paying more than he did. Simple as that.

But MY time is much more valuable than a 100 bucks.

Also monger and groups like this board are the big minority compared to weekend warriors.

You can look at a girl and instantly know if she gets big $$ from elsewhere. It's really common sense. The hotter girls will quote high and stand firm. Where I would walk is if she tells me on top of the high price she's only doing CBJ. But if she's hot and taking a facial then I'm paying.[/QUOTE]I am glad there is some push back on this. If I have to hear about how mongers ruined a place, I am going to laugh. Top 5% salary in USA now is $250,000 which is $125 per hour but even that does not do it because a higher percentage of wealthy man travel. So it is probably more like one in ten men who travel to Cartagena is making $125 an hour and above, so $125 or $250 is nothing for them.

A buddy of mine makes the equivalent of $200 per hour and paid $200 for two hours and said it was a top 5 experience for him. Do you think he is going to give up a top 5 experience because of the guys here screaming he is being selfish and messing up the market? I do not think he even knows about the site.

One of the other things these guys do not get is the really hot women have options. I had a breakup with an ex-fiance who had one of the nicest bodies you will ever see. Six pack abs. Crazy strong thighs and worked out like a fiend. After we broke up, she made damned sure she showed me all the American guys pursuing her. Marrying one of them would have not been a problem for her.

The top guys want filet mignon and the guys eating hamburger here, and it is obvious who they are, gripe nonstop about the price of hamburger going up. They claim pussy is pussy and therefore beef is beef. As I have asked so many times, why don't they object to the prices on anything else? Why aren't you making fun of the guys eating filet mignon or staying in the expensive hotels?

My Cartagena apartment was 3 million COP. With the dollar at its peak, that was $600 per month. Now with the weaker peso and the complex raising the price to 3. 5 million COP, it is close to $1000 per month. I guess that is the fault of mongers too even though I have yet to see an American or any foreigner around it.

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[QUOTE=CkNice11;2898732]Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.[/QUOTE]Don't forget about Costa Rica.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898788]They didn't ruin Cartagena because there aren't enough men to go around. Those prices are not sticky because a muchacha can't afford to let you walk away. It's the difference between paying her rent or buying her son new shoes or not.

Think about it. If 350-400 k pesos was the going rate for short time in Cartagena, why would a Colombian working girl work in Barranquilla, Bogota, or Medellin for 150 k? The city would be flooded with ladies.

Let's put this in perspective. I live here in Cartagena. My girlfriend's dad, a Cartagenero, earns 1. 8 MM pesos a month managing a restaurant in Bocagrande. He's in his late 40's and has been doing this for 13 years. Now imagine earning 1/5 of what he makes for an hour of a girl's time. That sounds absolutely insane. And it is. 400 k pesos is a ridiculous amount of money for the vast majority of Colombians.[/QUOTE]Sex workers in all countries including the US are capable of making the average monthly salary on one night. I know strippers pulling in 5-6 k in one shift in NyC. Not even Vegas. Girls charging 1 k an hour getting 3-4 clients.

That's why I never understood this comparison. Sex workers will make a lot more than an average working salary. That's how it's always been. Even at third world rates they can make 2-300 k a night dancing at a strip club that comes to 7-8 million a month.

Fresh back. CTG is done. All the beauties that came from all over have disappeared. Whats left are a bunch of 4th stringers roaming the alleys and streets of Centro. Hollywood beach, average talent. Androgeno, will never go there again. Men outnumbered the 4th stringers 10 to 1 easy. The rapper crowd in Androgeno just not for me and I'm the same ethnicity as most of the folks in there. With Space, Dolce and Delirium closing, alot of the talent has gone elsewhere. Until the clubs open back up, I won't be back. Thos clubs attracted the real talent from all over Colombia from my perspective. The best babe I had concurred and was going to Mexico and other places until things go back to what was normal.

All those musings about prices although sensible don't pass a bar in real life. What do you say to all few Colombians who pay millions to girls over the weekend? Take a closer look in the mirror and ask 'How much would I charge to fuck him?' The same applies to all subpar girls that show up for sex work. And then a rare dolled up beauty at the right hour with all her overhead demands a higher rate and exploits competition. Now it takes me just seconds to approach her and make a reasonable offer. I have never regretted paying a premium. I have regretted not paying it and missing a chance.

There is also a classic piece of verse that sums it up, in a way:

When I was young and had no sense.

In far-off Mandalay.

I lost my heart to a Burmese girl.

As lovely as the day.

Her skin was gold, her hair was jet.

Her teeth were ivory;.

I said, 'for twenty silver pieces.

Maiden, sleep with me'.

She looked at me, so pure, so sad.

The loveliest thing alive.

And in her lisping, virgin voice.

Stood out for twenty-five.

George Orwell.

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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2898588]But here's the thing. I love how the haters say you're ruining it for the rest of us or I'm overpaying.[/QUOTE]Where is the post that guys say this? There is not one. We say you are fucking it up for other guys coming after you, not for ourselves. We already know the deal and how to navigate and are trying to put others on game. You are not fucking it up for us.

I just said the other day how my buddy here in Thailand did not listen and paid the chick $110 because he had to have her. According to you I was hating when I told him that was way too much. She wanted to come back the next day but he wised up and now only wanted to give her half of that but she refused because he had already fucked it up for himself. The day after that she hit him up begging to take the half he was offering. Then he tried to go even lower to what I told him to pay in the first place. I was like man don't play games with the chick. You should have stuck with the price I was telling you from the jump instead of paying 3 times more. But when he first got here he was so excited and horny and that money was burning such a hole in his pocket, that what I said went in one ear and out the other (or maybe he thought I was hating!) Later on, he realized that what I told him was gospel and he did fuck around and overpay when she hit him up begging for the lesser amount.

Guys like me are good and are not going to be hurt. Hell I am in the bed with a free chick right now. When me and my boy are out walking around and a chick tries to tell him a higher price, I speak up and they put their hand over my mouth because I know too much and am trying to teach him not to fall for it. But for some reason you label trying to teach my boy the real deal being a hater.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2898588]My time is more valuable than a 100 usd. I'the rather get what I want when I want. I don't care if I pay more than the next guy or less than the next guy.[/QUOTE]So when you see that plane ticket is $800, you are not trying to wait to see if it drops to $700, because your time is more valuable than $100? Or is it just when it comes to pussy that your time is more valuable than $100?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2898749]

Same shit with Travelveristy, when anyone mentions his name to book a consultation they get dunked on too because his "girlfriend" still got that Monger in Asia porn video up.

[/QUOTE]Do you remember the title of that video or the link?

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898788]Now imagine earning 1/5 of what he makes for an hour of a girl's time. That sounds absolutely insane. And it is. [/QUOTE]It may sound absolutely insane, and maybe it is, but it is not much more insane than in the US. Or probably most places. The US equivalent would be a girl charging $6-700 compared to a guy making $40 K per year. There are actually lots of girls who are charging that, and they aren't working for $2-300 because of what a restaurant manager makes. Shockingly, there are guys on the domestic boards who complain about the guys paying those prices and how they are ruining it for everyone else, there are girls who complain about hagglers and cheapskates, and there are guys paying their rates who don't give a fuck what any other guys think. I won't say the comparison is the same, but it isn't out of the ballpark.

As far as anyone "ruining things" for anyone else. I'm not buying it. They may be "ruined" in some people's opinion, but if I can pay $100/ HR for a date with a hot girl who isn't a clockwatcher and who would go for $500/ HR at home, that isn't ruined. If you have a secret spot in the world where there are plentiful young, beautiful women who love to fuck for almost no money, enjoy it. Eventually other people will find it and prices will go up. Even if everyone who learned about it went there with your shrewd negotiating skills and refused to compromise, supply and demand means either prices would go up or there would be a shortage. It's globalization and there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it except make our own decisions based on our own criteria.

[QUOTE=Givency;2898845]Fresh back. CTG is done. All the beauties that came from all over have disappeared. Whats left are a bunch of 4th stringers roaming the alleys and streets of Centro. Hollywood beach, average talent. Androgeno, will never go there again. Men outnumbered the 4th stringers 10 to 1 easy. The rapper crowd in Androgeno just not for me and I'm the same ethnicity as most of the folks in there. With Space, Dolce and Delirium closing, alot of the talent has gone elsewhere. Until the clubs open back up, I won't be back. Thos clubs attracted the real talent from all over Colombia from my perspective. The best babe I had concurred and was going to Mexico and other places until things go back to what was normal.[/QUOTE]Some are saying the Youtubers and Passport Bros. Have been the nail in the coffin in places like Cartagena and Sosua. Nothing lasts forever. The key is to be ahead of the curve.

[QUOTE=Givency;2898845]Fresh back. CTG is done. All the beauties that came from all over have disappeared. Whats left are a bunch of 4th stringers roaming the alleys and streets of Centro. Hollywood beach, average talent. Androgeno, will never go there again. Men outnumbered the 4th stringers 10 to 1 easy. The rapper crowd in Androgeno just not for me and I'm the same ethnicity as most of the folks in there. With Space, Dolce and Delirium closing, alot of the talent has gone elsewhere. Until the clubs open back up, I won't be back. Thos clubs attracted the real talent from all over Colombia from my perspective. The best babe I had concurred and was going to Mexico and other places until things go back to what was normal.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the warning, sounds like the people & areas I try to avoid at home in ATL. My first time to Delirium a small time youtuber Preem Pab the most typical of Pookies was being obnoxious in rhe club and the street. Closed my tab and went to Dolce, girls were way better (literally 30 8's, 9's, a couple 10's thru the night) and while the customers were diverse every one knew how to act.

I've noticed the Cartagena walk thru have started to drop on YouTube a little and they are starting to re-upload more vids since the talent has gone far. Unless you've got established girls, CTG isn't worth it if you wanted convenient, safer, high volume centralized girls.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2898838]Sex workers in all countries including the US are capable of making the average monthly salary on one night. I know strippers pulling in 5-6 k in one shift in NyC. Not even Vegas. Girls charging 1 k an hour getting 3-4 clients.

That's why I never understood this comparison. Sex workers will make a lot more than an average working salary. That's how it's always been. Even at third world rates they can make 2-300 k a night dancing at a strip club that comes to 7-8 million a month.[/QUOTE]Colombia is not the United States with higher levels of disposable income. Comparing the two doesn't make sense.

These girls earn roughly the minimum wage, especially in Cartagena. I apologize to folks reading this if I sound like a broken clock, but there are not enough men who will pay 400 k pesos for sex in Cartagena for that to be the going rate.

The going rate is 150 k. Actually, if you know locals, it's closer to 100 k depending on time of the month. There aren't enough men in Cartagena who can afford to pay the girls even that much consistently. So the muchachas you see in Centro will have maybe two clients a week for 300 k or so. They might discount further if they need food for their family or if they aren't making rent.

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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2898838]Sex workers will make a lot more than an average working salary. That's how it's always been. Even at third world rates they can make 2-300 k a night dancing at a strip club that comes to 7-8 million a month.[/QUOTE]Can and do are two different things. You would see them living in new condos and driving Mercedes, instead of telling the trick he has to pay her taxi too, if they were making that much money.

[QUOTE=Questner;2898857]All those musings about prices although sensible don't pass a bar in real life. What do you say to all few Colombians who pay millions to girls over the weekend? Take a closer look in the mirror and ask 'How much would I charge to fuck him?' The same applies to all subpar girls that show up for sex work. And then a rare dolled up beauty at the right hour with all her overhead demands a higher rate and exploits competition. Now it takes me just seconds to approach her and make a reasonable offer. I have never regretted paying a premium. I have regretted not paying it and missing a chance.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And the whole notion that guys are going to hold out on paying a woman you are DTF because of the guys on ISG is laughable. If you want to pay Colombian prices, go to places where there are few to no tourists. That is not Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2898791]One of the other things these guys do not get is the really hot women have options. I had a breakup with an ex-fiance who had one of the nicest bodies you will ever see. Six pack abs. Crazy strong thighs and worked out like a fiend. After we broke up, she made damned sure she showed me all the American guys pursuing her. Marrying one of them would have not been a problem for her.

The top guys want filet mignon and the guys eating hamburger here, and it is obvious who they are, gripe nonstop about the price of hamburger going up. They claim pussy is pussy and therefore beef is beef. As I have asked so many times, why don't they object to the prices on anything else? Why aren't you making fun of the guys eating filet mignon or staying in the expensive hotels?[/QUOTE]You're observing what I'm observing, and it's going to be funny when people go against what you say only then later to repeat what was said and act like it's new information similar to the ones who were defending Sousa 2 years ago are now making videos of how bad it is because all the girls are overweight walking around with yoga pants and bonnets on their heads LOL.

The more people talk the more they tell on themselves and expose the exact type of chicas they are going for and they believe the good looking chicas with options are the same price as the ones down on their luck and desperate.

I've reported about similar previously on this forum and was called a liar or a conspiracy theorist only to then months or a year later others speak up about seeing exactly what I reported or they were doing what I reported.

The amount of time chicas I approached got their WhatsApp or Instagram, and through back and forth texting told me 800 K for the night and I told them no and moved on to the next one, only to see them a week or 2 weeks later posting pictures of statuses in Tulum, Cancun, Mexico City, Ecuador, Brazil, Punta Cana, Italy, Morocco, Croatia, Paris, Spain, etc, and the funny thing is right now as I'm typing this, these same exact girls are now in NYC, Chicago, Philly, DC, NJ, Houston, Miami and posting pictures of them being there.

People really think the chicas with the passports and no obligations such as salary job, kids, or school will willingly market themselves to locals and accept bare minimum when they can go to Centro and get 1 or 2 guys and walk home with a whole months salary in 1 night or 1 day or if they hit it good they get flown out of Colombia for a whole week and best believe they are getting paid very well for that week. I'm not even going to touch on the ones who have sugar daddies giving them allowances or having them stay in apartments in Bocagrande. I tell people that if they see a chica with a Pro MAX iPhone, then high probability she's going to be expensive but they ignore what I say and go for the possibility of her being cheap.

Everyone just need to work within their budget and enjoy their time. If the expensive chica is too much then walk away until she desperate but by then how much time was wasted waiting for that chica to become desperate LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2898896]I just said the other day how my buddy here in Thailand did not listen and paid the chick $110 because he had to have her. According to you I was hating when I told him that was way too much. She wanted to come back the next day but he wised up and now only wanted to give her half of that but she refused because he had already fucked it up for himself. The day after that she hit him up begging to take the half he was offering. Then he tried to go even lower to what I told him to pay in the first place. I was like man don't play games with the chick. You should have stuck with the price I was telling you from the jump instead of paying 3 times more. But when he first got here he was so excited and horny and that money was burning such a hole in his pocket, that what I said went in one ear and out the other (or maybe he thought I was hating!) Later on, he realized that what I told him was gospel and he did fuck around and overpay when she hit him up begging for the lesser amount.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and that story also showed you are a hypocrite. You have preached pussy is pussy and then in that story, you said that the white Chinese looking women in Thailand go for more. By doing so, you admitted that the market price IS set by looks. So when you guys go off on guys "overpaying", you have no clue as to whether they are or are if you have no clue what they look like.

And you have no idea what the pussy is even like based on a photo. Is it smelly and loose or tight and smells and tastes great? You do not know. And then there is the rest of the woman. Is she good at IOP? Does she hang out with you when you are done? Does she show kindness when you are with her? Is she appreciative of what you give her or is she angling to get more and more? Does she make you feel special?

Believe it or not, I am not totally dissing you Mr. E. I know you could give a course on getting guys to pay less, but you are fooling yourself into thinking you always know if someone is overpaying. If there are places where there are hot and cheap women, and it is easy to get to, you should assume it it not going to last. The demand for said women is eventually going to push up the price.

You know that if you want Colombian rates, you go to places where there are mostly Colombians, and that is not Cartagena or Medellin.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2898896]So when you see that plane ticket is $800, you are not trying to wait to see if it drops to $700, because your time is more valuable than $100? Or is it just when it comes to pussy that your time is more valuable than $100?[/QUOTE]You have me dying right now LOL.

My boy is crying right now cause his return ticket alone is $700 at Blue Basic. When I told him to get it back in January when I did, I got round trip Blue Extra for a little under $500. He wanted to wait for that price drop lmfao.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2898896]Where is the post that guys say this? There is not one. We say you are fucking it up for other guys coming after you, not for ourselves. We already know the deal and how to navigate and are trying to put others on game. You are not fucking it up for us.

I just said the other day how my buddy here in Thailand did not listen and paid the chick $110 because he had to have her. According to you I was hating when I told him that was way too much. She wanted to come back the next day but he wised up and now only wanted to give her half of that but she refused because he had already fucked it up for himself. The day after that she hit him up begging to take the half he was offering. Then he tried to go even lower to what I told him to pay in the first place. I was like man don't play games with the chick. You should have stuck with the price I was telling you from the jump instead of paying 3 times more. But when he first got here he was so excited and horny and that money was burning such a hole in his pocket, that what I said went in one ear and out the other (or maybe he thought I was hating!) Later on, he realized that what I told him was gospel and he did fuck around and overpay when she hit him up begging for the lesser amount.
[/QUOTE]If I'm going on vacay why would I care about 100 $ on a plane ticket.

My time on when I'm free to to travel and how much time I can spend away is more valuable.

And yes there's tons of posts saying how guys ruin it for others.

Haters are the ones that get upset if someone pays more than they do and have something negative to say about it. The difference between you telling a friend how much to pay is based on your experience.

Also the level of women me and you look at are completely different. I deal a lot more with independents and don't do street girls or casas or clubs.

And congrats on your free chick. Quite an accomplishment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899004]Can and do are two different things. You would see them living in new condos and driving Mercedes, instead of telling the trick he has to pay her taxi too, if they were making that much money.[/QUOTE]But you'll see them with the newest iPhones and clothes and makeup etc.

You're not seeing the point. Sex work in general will always pay more than a regular job and that's just how it's always been.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2899007]Exactly. And the whole notion that guys are going to hold out on paying a woman you are DTF because of the guys on ISG is laughable. If you want to pay Colombian prices, go to places where there are few to no tourists. That is not Cartagena.[/QUOTE]I am not a paying member in hooker's trade union. I don't care how much they make or spend, I don't regulate their fares. Yes, I know minimum wage, transportation costs, rental costs etc. I know how much the rates are inside of Cartagena's barrios and all over the country. I even know where to get the best deal for a top hooker and I won't tell anyone. It's my vacation, my money, my time. Moreover I like when folks overpay because it attracts flocks of new birds in the trade, the more guys overpay the more girls are going to show up. So, I am going to make a reasonable offer to a top looker which she may accept, chat with her and make sure I won't be embarrassed later seeing my photo collection. How she is going to perform at least partially depends on how she is paid.

[QUOTE=Questner;2899126]I am not a paying member in hooker's trade union. I don't care how much they make or spend, I don't regulate their fares. Yes, I know minimum wage, transportation costs, rental costs etc. I know how much the rates are inside of Cartagena's barrios and all over the country. I even know where to get the best deal for a top hooker and I won't tell anyone. It's my vacation, my money, my time. Moreover I like when folks overpay because it attracts flocks of new birds in the trade, the more guys overpay the more girls are going to show up. So, I am going to make a reasonable offer to a top looker which she may accept, chat with her and make sure I won't be embarrassed later seeing my photo collection. How she is going to perform at least partially depends on how she is paid.[/QUOTE]Some guys have to simply stay in their lane.

Some girls are simply not in their price range and those girls won't come down off their price simply because they have options also.

But Mr E will always bring up a one time story that tries to debunk almost anything anyone says.

These girls are in the most exotic locations and most expensive hotels that most on this forum couldn't afford. I think the bitterness is real.

If you have the mentality that pussy is pussy and don't remotely care about the physical appearance of a woman as long as she has a vagina between her legs then you can bargain basement hunt all you want.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2899071]But you'll see them with the newest iPhones and clothes and makeup etc.

You're not seeing the point. Sex work in general will always pay more than a regular job and that's just how it's always been.[/QUOTE]Or what you think are the newest iPhones. How many rappers and athletes wear fake jewelry and folks are none the wiser? Chicks that I know that have authentic expensive phones have a trick that has bought it for them. How many posts on here you see about guys wanting to bring phones for chicks? Now imagine how many guys that are not on here are doing it.

When you show me that iPhone money in their bank account is when you will have a point. Clothes and makeup are cheap. Assuming someone is really raking it in by looking at what kind of phone they have? Come on man. You are smarter than that. Go to where they are staying then come back and report how they are making 7 million pesos. Reminds me of when Birdman said he didn't have shit, but that did not stop him from making the records saying he had shit. Who knew it was not true? Afterall, they showed a helicopter in the video. It is an illusion.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2899009]The amount of time chicas I approached got their WhatsApp or Instagram, and through back and forth texting told me 800 K for the night and I told them no and moved on to the next one, only to see them a week or 2 weeks later posting pictures of statuses in Tulum, Cancun, Mexico City, Ecuador, Brazil, Punta Cana, Italy, Morocco, Croatia, Paris, Spain, etc, and the funny thing is right now as I'm typing this, these same exact girls are now in NYC, Chicago, Philly, DC, NJ, Houston, Miami and posting pictures of them being there.[/QUOTE]And I have also seen them hoes turn back into pumpkins and be right back in that same one room apartment in the hood.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2899012]Yeah, and that story also showed you are a hypocrite. You have preached pussy is pussy and then in that story, you said that the white Chinese looking women in Thailand go for more. By doing so, you admitted that the market price IS set by looks. [/QUOTE]I did not say they go for more. I said some guys want to pay them more. And I did not say there was any market price. You pay what you negotiate. They are no different.

I was in the soapy with my buddy last night. The guy handed him the card with prices. The girls wear tags according to her price. There were 5 price tiers. S was the highest at $155. There was only one chick with S and there was nothing special about her. I asked my buddy do you see any reason why this chick should be more than that chick? He said no. I said and different days they switch tags so this chick will be getting paid more and that one less. Also let me add that the chicks gets half of what you pay. So if you pay $50 in there she gets $25 of it. You think she will not take $25 outside? Which is it? Is she worth the $50 that you paid or the $25 that she actually gets paid? Is your supposed market price the $25 she gets paid or the $50 that you paid?

Same here at the Russian clubs. Indian or arab guys will go in there and pay $300 to sit and drink with a Russian chick because where they are from they do not see White chicks and it is their dream to be around them. (Did you see the Indian guys that gang raaped the Brazilian chick the other day and beat up her husband? They never seen a Brazilian chick so to them it was worth it to risk their freedom.) To mfs that are used to this shit then pussy is pussy and they see no reason to sit and drink with a chick for $300 simply because she is White or do the other thing that those guys did. I see no reason to pay 800 K to a chick simply because she had surgery and some other trick bought her a nice phone.

[URL]https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/asia/2024/03/05/india-dumka-rape-spanish-brazilian-biker/?outputType=amp[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2899012]If there are places where there are hot and cheap women, and it is easy to get to, you should assume it it not going to last.[/QUOTE]True.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2899012]The demand for said women is eventually going to push up the price.[/QUOTE]False. It has nothing to do with the demand in an economic sense. It has everything to do with horny guys and their money burning a hole in their pocket, then the women thinking well he he gave me this much, so everyone should give me this much. Men have always been their own worst enemy.

Now in my country it is starting to turn out that Americans will end up being their own worst enemy. They are doing it to themselves.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2899031]And yes there's tons of posts saying how guys ruin it for others.[/QUOTE]Yes. Once again ruin it for OTHERS, not for themselves. Nypher and Gabacho know how to navigate. You are not going to ruin it for them. The new guy coming next week, you may ruin it for, but shit he won't know the difference anyway.

I have been saying for damn near 15 years how Sosua has been ruined, but the newer guys said I was hating. Now that it has been made worse by those after them, they want to claim it as ruined. And I am not saying that it is ruined for me because I have been driving around the country for years meeting chicks that are not hookers. The ruined strip in Sosua is not my bread and butter, so my observation about it as being ruined is not saying it affects me.

The guys who post in this thread don't live in Cartagena. They don't speak Spanish. They literally don't know better than any of the first timers who pay those rates to the girls.

And I want to apologize to you guys for making this even a topic. Please pay whatever rates you want, but also, please don't pretend like those rates are normal. Those girls work for much less than that consistently.

And to get it back on track: I was downtown last night getting dinner and the police presence has picked back up. Crime outside the tourist zones is still pretty bad, so they peeled off some of the police force to patrol. Semana Santa is just about a month away, and the presence is back. There were more police in the square than tourists when I was walking home last night. A few girls tried to eye me down, but I don't pick up women there. Too many people know me, and word spreads quick. I will get some WhatsApp numbers on Friday.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899187]Or what you think are the newest iPhones. How many rappers and athletes wear fake jewelry and folks are none the wiser? Chicks that I know that have authentic expensive phones have a trick that has bought it for them. How many posts on here you see about guys wanting to bring phones for chicks? Now imagine how many guys that are not on here are doing it.

When you show me that iPhone money in their bank account is when you will have a point. Clothes and makeup are cheap. Assuming someone is really raking it in by looking at what kind of phone they have? Come on man. You are smarter than that. Go to where they are staying then come back and report how they are making 7 million pesos. Reminds me of when Birdman said he didn't have shit, but that did not stop him from making the records saying he had shit. Who knew it was not true? Afterall, they showed a helicopter in the video. It is an illusion.[/QUOTE]Never said these girls have the financial literacy to save their money but one thing is for sure they burn through a lot of money.

The higher end girls simply won't accept 200-300 k pesos. And this is well known but you only bring up examples of your experiences. But as others have pointed out as well there's different levels of playing fields. I know prepagos who have cars and businesses and outright bought apartments on envigado and poblado.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899212]True.

False. It has nothing to do with the demand in an economic sense.[/QUOTE]If you think demand does not affect pricing, then you know nothing about how markets work.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899212]It has everything to do with horny guys and their money burning a hole in their pocket, then the women thinking well he he gave me this much, so everyone should give me this much. Men have always been their own worst enemy.[/QUOTE]Sigh. If a woman can get other men to pay her more, she was undercharging men. If she cannot, then her price is too high. The concept that women could be undercharging is a foreign concept to you.

Why is my apartment costing 50% more than it did 2 years ago? Why have hotel rates doubled in Colombia in the last 2 years? It must be because stupid men are overpaying because for you, that is all that can move prices.

I am wondering if anyob.

One knows if there are any casas in CTG like in MDE? If you do please let me know where to locate them.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2899318]Never said these girls have the financial literacy to save their money but one thing is for sure they burn through a lot of money.

The higher end girls simply won't accept 200-300 k pesos. And this is well known but you only bring up examples of your experiences. But as others have pointed out as well there's different levels of playing fields. I know prepagos who have cars and businesses and outright bought apartments on envigado and poblado.[/QUOTE]Also consider that a lot of these "independent" girls work for agencies one way or another, and don't necessarily control their pricing. Last trip I contacted two mileroticos girls; they were both in the same building near Marbella. I ended up spending my entire trip with one of them and she told me she had to make a certain amount for the "company" she works for. Pretty sure an agency has a block of apartments in the same building and rotates chicas. No idea if any of those girls work the clubs when they're not booked.

I also speak enough Spanish to read the local review board (Doncolombia). You hear guys on there complaining about GPS and girls who want 400 K+. If they aren't fucking locals for less, do you think they give a shit about your opinion of market clearing prices and the wages of the average worker? Speaking of which, I do think there are girls who work in two markets. Maybe she does "un rato" for 80 K with locals, but it is in her incall in an area many of us wouldn't want to go. If she dresses up and goes to Centro looking for a gringo to bring her to his Airbnb in Bocagrande do you really think she is going to charge the same rate? By the way, that 80 K may be a day's wages for the local. Basically, unless you are a local or are embedded enough to pass, don't expect the same deal as the locals.

I know a lot of you are hung up on how good Cartagena "used to be", and how it is "ruined" now. There is a rule in finance called "ignore sunk costs". How good or bad someplace used to be, or what a girl used to charge, is irrelevant. We are in the present, and we have to make decisions based on the choices available to us now, not 5 or 10 years ago. If you think there are better places to visit because the girls are cheaper and you will overall have a better time, go there. Having said that, if you think paying $100 or even $150 for an hour with a good-looking chica is outrageous and the city is ruined, let me introduce you to Chloe and Zaya, who are charging $700 and $800 per hour, respectively, in the south Florida market. I'm not paying that, but if I come to Cartagena and pay a hot chica 600 K for an hour and anyone wants to tell me how I am overpaying I will get a good chuckle.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2899009]The more people talk the more they tell on themselves and expose the exact type of chicas they are going for and they believe the good looking chicas with options are the same price as the ones down on their luck and desperate.[/QUOTE]Yep.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2899009]The amount of time chicas I approached got their WhatsApp or Instagram, and through back and forth texting told me 800 K for the night and I told them no and moved on to the next one, only to see them a week or 2 weeks later posting pictures of statuses in Tulum, Cancun, Mexico City, Ecuador, Brazil, Punta Cana, Italy, Morocco, Croatia, Paris, Spain, etc, and the funny thing is right now as I'm typing this, these same exact girls are now in NYC, Chicago, Philly, DC, NJ, Houston, Miami and posting pictures of them being there.[/QUOTE]And it says a lot about the high quality of the women you see that they know to go to places where they can earn more. What interests me is if Cartagena with its higher prices are going to attract others around the country to come to it kind of like the Hong Kong Club in Tijuana in Mexico.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2899582]Also consider that a lot of these "independent" girls work for agencies one way or another, and don't necessarily control their pricing. Last trip I contacted two mileroticos girls; they were both in the same building near Marbella. I ended up spending my entire trip with one of them and she told me she had to make a certain amount for the "company" she works for. Pretty sure an agency has a block of apartments in the same building and rotates chicas. No idea if any of those girls work the clubs when they're not booked.

I also speak enough Spanish to read the local review board (Doncolombia). You hear guys on there complaining about GPS and girls who want 400 K+. If they aren't fucking locals for less, do you think they give a shit about your opinion of market clearing prices and the wages of the average worker? Speaking of which, I do think there are girls who work in two markets. Maybe she does "un rato" for 80 K with locals, but it is in her incall in an area many of us wouldn't want to go. If she dresses up and goes to Centro looking for a gringo to bring her to his Airbnb in Bocagrande do you really think she is going to charge the same rate? By the way, that 80 K may be a day's wages for the local. Basically, unless you are a local or are embedded enough to pass, don't expect the same deal as the locals.

I know a lot of you are hung up on how good Cartagena "used to be", and how it is "ruined" now. There is a rule in finance called "ignore sunk costs". How good or bad someplace used to be, or what a girl used to charge, is irrelevant. We are in the present, and we have to make decisions based on the choices available to us now, not 5 or 10 years ago. If you think there are better places to visit because the girls are cheaper and you will overall have a better time, go there. Having said that, if you think paying $100 or even $150 for an hour with a good-looking chica is outrageous and the city is ruined, let me introduce you to Chloe and Zaya, who are charging $700 and $800 per hour, respectively, in the south Florida market. I'm not paying that, but if I come to Cartagena and pay a hot chica 600 K for an hour and anyone wants to tell me how I am overpaying I will get a good chuckle.[/QUOTE]Speaking of that South Florida market. Did you see that huge bust they did on the Migrant X trafficking ring in Florida? They were flying them in from Latin America and operating out on Florida, they didn't realize that they can't do it like they are doing over here on Rosevelt Ave in Queens. I see allot of them on Listcrawler and [URL]Hot.com[/URL] but I do not dear touch this shit on American soil and lose my entire career over 30 minutes of fun.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30dMX6h15M[/URL]

This is similar to another story (girls go where the money is). I knew a chica who I use to recommend to others because she was safe when she was in CTG. She made her way up NYC in 2023 February and got caught up in those smash and grab department stores robberies BLM style. Lost track of her because all of a sudden she too busy and don't have time (my low price in CTG is no where near what she is charging in NYC), but simultaneously posting that she at all the good hot spots in Manhattan. End of last year I get a random text from her she needs help, they have her in a detention center and she have to stay there until he works off the amount she stole and her asylum appointment date. Best of luck to her.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/michinabebesita480/[/URL]

Someone who I had recommended her to while they were in CTG and they had no problems with her and saw her multiple time without issue messaged me said a few months ago she scammed them out of money saying she needed money for and apartment and she was going to see them, They Zelle the money to the account she gave, never showed up, then blocked them.

Be careful out there gents, don't get scammed, scoped, or caught up in a sting.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2897393]I was in Ethiopia a week and a half ago and because someone wrote prices, them hoes did not get over on me. Someone said do not pay more than $10. One chick tried to get me for $20. I stuck with $10. She hemmed and hawed and went to $15 and $13, but I stuck to the $10 that I saw in the report. Finally, she realized I knew better.[/QUOTE]How long did the negotiation take? Because at my billing rate that $10 is worth about 5 minutes of my time.

Seriously, if any attractive girl wanted to fuck me for $20 and I KNEW that was double her rate I would laugh, tell her to do her best job, and to get to work.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2899403]If you think demand does not affect pricing, then you know nothing about how markets work.[/QUOTE]We are not talking about a market. We are talking about a variety of freelance hookers that come and go haphazardly and can change their price at will and according to who they are dealing with. If we are speaking about casas with set pricing, then we are talking about a market.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2899318]I know prepagos who have cars and businesses and outright bought apartments on envigado and poblado.[/QUOTE]Yes. And they are the extremely rare exception, not the rule.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2899403]Why is my apartment costing 50% more than it did 2 years ago?[/QUOTE]If it is in a tourist area then that would explain it. If it is in a local area and they know a foreigner is footing the bill then that also explains it. My apartment in Thailand has been the same price for 15 years. The taxi that I take from the airport has been the same price for 15 years. The initial asking price of chicks has skyrocketed. Not because there are less chicks or because the price of living has gone up. So it must be because stupid men are overpaying.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2899403]Why have hotel rates doubled in Colombia in the last 2 years? It must be because stupid men are overpaying because for you, that is all that can move prices.[/QUOTE]No. It is because prices were lowered during covid when they had no customers. Now that people are back the prices have simply returned to where they were precovid for hotels. Freelance hookers have said we can double our price for these suckers. After they have paid for tickets and hotels, they are not going to want to go home with a dry dick no matter how much we charge them.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2899646]How long did the negotiation take? Because at my billing rate that $10 is worth about 5 minutes of my time.

Seriously, if any attractive girl wanted to fuck me for $20 and I KNEW that was double her rate I would laugh, tell her to do her best job, and to get to work.[/QUOTE]Negotiation takes 2 seconds. We are not negotiating a 20 year contract. We are simply quickly going back and forth on how much it would be to fuck right here right now. Just like last night. Chick is coming over and wants $42. I say $28. She says okay I am on the way. After we fucked I paid her by bank transfer. It is not brain surgery and does not take your 5 precious minutes.

If you walked into the best restaurant in town and they wanted to feed you for $40 and you knew you were getting the exact same meal that everyone at the other tables had and they paid $20, would you also laugh and say bring the plate? Probably not. But for pussy of course.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2899645]Speaking of that South Florida market. Did you see that huge bust they did on the Migrant X trafficking ring in Florida? They were flying them in from Latin America and operating out on Florida, they didn't realize that they can't do it like they are doing over here on Rosevelt Ave in Queens. I see allot of them on Listcrawler and [URL]Hot.com[/URL] but I do not dear touch this shit on American soil and lose my entire career over 30 minutes of fun.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30dMX6h15M[/URL][/QUOTE]That is a ways up the road from me, but a lot of craziness in that story. Do you really think the Dominican woman they claimed was running the ring was top of the pyramid? Don't you think the same kind of thing is going on running girls to Cartagena?

Anyway, finalized all the arrangements for my trip next month with the Venezolana I met on my first trip. Bought her ticket from Bucaramanga, I'll send her some shopping money in advance, and give her $250/ night for 5 nights. Nice hotel in Laguito, a trip to Bora Bora or whatever, party bus, and some good meals. I figure the whole thing with airfare will run $3-4 K for a week vacation, as much sex as my dick can handle, in a fun city I enjoy on its own merits. Or I could have stayed home and spent $3 K to spend four hours with Chloe. Call me crazy.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2899646]How long did the negotiation take? Because at my billing rate that $10 is worth about 5 minutes of my time.

Seriously, if any attractive girl wanted to fuck me for $20 and I KNEW that was double her rate I would laugh, tell her to do her best job, and to get to work.[/QUOTE]I like your style. Its just gross how proud MrE is of himself for beating a dirt poor girl in a dirt poor country out of $10.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2899731]That is a ways up the road from me, but a lot of craziness in that story. Do you really think the Dominican woman they claimed was running the ring was top of the pyramid? Don't you think the same kind of thing is going on running girls to Cartagena?

Anyway, finalized all the arrangements for my trip next month with the Venezolana I met on my first trip. Bought her ticket from Bucaramanga, I'll send her some shopping money in advance, and give her $250/ night for 5 nights. Nice hotel in Laguito, a trip to Bora Bora or whatever, party bus, and some good meals. I figure the whole thing with airfare will run $3-4 K for a week vacation, as much sex as my dick can handle, in a fun city I enjoy on its own merits. Or I could have stayed home and spent $3 K to spend four hours with Chloe. Call me crazy.[/QUOTE]I wifed up with a hot chicas on both my trips to CTG for 4 days / nights each. Its a great time, more like a honeymoon than a monger trip taking them to dinner and stuff. Then took some random ones on the other days or took a break. They were both hot and asked for $250. Countered with $200 and they said quickly said ok. Plus you are springing for all their meals, drinks ect. So it adds up.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2899732]I like your style. Its just gross how proud MrE is of himself for beating a dirt poor girl in a dirt poor country out of $10.[/QUOTE]LOL. I did not beat anyone out of anything. I negotiated the same way people do with everything in non-Western countries. A fair exchange is no robbery. What did I give that Indriver guy for 8 hours to tour me and my girl around the Boyacá area in his nice new SUV? 180,000 pesos? My style is definitely not to pay a hooker damn near 1 million pesos per day to sit around and keep me company. Not my style at all.

Like I said when I was on the Seychelles trip. I NEGOTIATED for 140 euro to be on the same tour that other Western mfs that didn't negotiate spent 300 euro for. Ain't my fucking fault you Westerners think the first price is the final price and the cost of everything has to be compared to back home.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2899731]Anyway, finalized all the arrangements for my trip next month with the Venezolana I met on my first trip. Bought her ticket from Bucaramanga, I'll send her some shopping money in advance, and give her $250/ night for 5 nights. Nice hotel in Laguito, a trip to Bora Bora or whatever, party bus, and some good meals. I figure the whole thing with airfare will run $3-4 K for a week vacation, as much sex as my dick can handle, in a fun city I enjoy on its own merits. Or I could have stayed home and spent $3 K to spend four hours with Chloe. Call me crazy.[/QUOTE]Not crazy at all. The sex is way better when the women know and like you. Only thing better is if you get two women who are somewhat into each other to go with you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899710]Yes. And they are the extremely rare exception, not the rule.[/QUOTE]Yes having cars and houses is the exception. But also your dealing with a lot more lower level girls. This is very very obvious.

You think every iPhone that these girls have is fake lmao. Well I can tell you they are not.

Based on your history on this board you always chastise other members and act like you know it all but the truth is there is a big part of the market you don't know simply because that's the area you don't venture in. So please don't act like others are always doing it wrong.

These reports are meant to be informative.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899712]If it is in a local area and they know a foreigner is footing the bill then that also explains it. My apartment in Thailand has been the same price for 15 years. The taxi that I take from the airport has been the same price for 15 years.[/QUOTE]Before you make a comment that "they" know, don't you think you should define who "they" is? Do you have any fucking clue? Also before you say that "they" raised prices only on dumb foreigners, how do you know that "they" have not raised prices on everyone? Because you are paying the same price on your place in fucking Thailand?

Not only are you describing people you do not know. You are describing the thought process of people you do not know. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2899731]That is a ways up the road from me, but a lot of craziness in that story. Do you really think the Dominican woman they claimed was running the ring was top of the pyramid? Don't you think the same kind of thing is going on running girls to Cartagena?

Anyway, finalized all the arrangements for my trip next month with the Venezolana I met on my first trip. Bought her ticket from Bucaramanga, I'll send her some shopping money in advance, and give her $250/ night for 5 nights. Nice hotel in Laguito, a trip to Bora Bora or whatever, party bus, and some good meals. I figure the whole thing with airfare will run $3-4 K for a week vacation, as much sex as my dick can handle, in a fun city I enjoy on its own merits. Or I could have stayed home and spent $3 K to spend four hours with Chloe. Call me crazy.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking the Dominican woman is just the front person for someone else but it's crazy that the girls had to pay her 3 K a week or they would be in trouble. Imagine what they were charging or how many customers that took to make a profit after handing over the 3 K to the pimp weekly. I don't think the same is happening in Cartagena unless it's similar to those incall girls working out of that bario of the other side of the bridge in Marbella, I think the name is Torices or something like that. But I dare not do any incalls in Cartagena, I'll leave that to those who live there.

Enjoy your trip, hopefully she's not playing the long game because I'm starting to see more and more long cons with these girls than the quick opportunistic drug and rob.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2899907]I'm thinking the Dominican woman is just the front person for someone else but it's crazy that the girls had to pay her 3 K a week or they would be in trouble. Imagine what they were charging or how many customers that took to make a profit after handing over the 3 K to the pimp weekly. I don't think the same is happening in Cartagena unless it's similar to those incall girls working out of that bario of the other side of the bridge in Marbella, I think the name is Torices or something like that. But I dare not do any incalls in Cartagena, I'll leave that to those who live there.

Enjoy your trip, hopefully she's not playing the long game because I'm starting to see more and more long cons with these girls than the quick opportunistic drug and rob.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but usually they don't want to say Torices so they say "near Marbella". I counted five mileroticos ads last time I browsed with the same map for location.

I happen to have gotten to know this girl's history fairly well, so I am confident she really is independent. She also has an Onlyfans which I assume provides a steady income stream. I am sure she will try to get the hooks in one way or another, but I am turning 70 and I am going to spend 5 days fucking a 20-something. I'll deal with the aftermath.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2899737]They were both hot and asked for $250. Countered with $200 and they said quickly said ok.[/QUOTE]Taking all of that time to negotiate? It is just gross how proud you are of yourself for beating those dirt poor girls out of $50.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2899879]Before you make a comment that "they" know, don't you think you should define who "they" is?[/QUOTE]Huh? "They" would be the people you pay the rent to. You must be sleepy or high. Who the heck else could set the price that you pay for rent besides the "they" who the money is going to?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2899875]You think every iPhone that these girls have is fake lmao. Well I can tell you they are not.[/QUOTE]No. But 9. 9 times out of 10, if it is original, then it was not bought by the girl. It was bought by a trick. I think I asked earlier have you not seen all the post on ISG of guys asking or talking about bringing phones to hookers. I know chicks here in Thailand with original phones and they all say they did not even want the shit, but a trick they were dealing with insisted on buying it for them. Women use their money to buy what they need and use your money to buy what they want.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2899009]only to see them a week or 2 weeks later posting pictures of statuses in Tulum, Cancun, Mexico City, Ecuador, Brazil, Punta Cana, Italy, Morocco, Croatia, Paris, Spain, etc, and the funny thing is right now as I'm typing this, these same exact girls are now in NYC, Chicago, Philly, DC, NJ, Houston, Miami and posting pictures of them being there.[/QUOTE]And let some folks tell it, they bought their own tickets the same way they bought their own iPhone. Never seen a Latina chick say her dream was to always go to Morroco or Philadelphia, that she would just up and buy her own ticket to go to either.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2900034]Taking all of that time to negotiate? It is just gross how proud you are of yourself for beating those dirt poor girls out of $50.[/QUOTE]Yup I saved myself $200 on each trip with 5 seconds of negotiation. I'm certainly not going to beat a dirt poor girl in a dirt poor country down from $20 to $15 to $13 to $10. I'm also certainly not going to a country like Ethiopia to fuck girls on the cheap. See how impressed we all are by your 15,800 comments.

Do anyone know where the Dolce girls went?

I have a trip coming up next week and I am trying to find this dolce girl from last year.

See pictures.

My guy in CTG is telling me Space is back open and Dolce Vida is opening next week under a new name. Anyone hearing this?

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2900231]Do anyone know where the Dolce girls went?

I have a trip coming up next week and I am trying to find this dolce girl from last year.

See pictures.[/QUOTE]Trying to add the pictures again since they did not upload last time.

Anyone know who she is?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2900044]No. But 9. 9 times out of 10, if it is original, then it was not bought by the girl. It was bought by a trick. I think I asked earlier have you not seen all the post on ISG of guys asking or talking about bringing phones to hookers. I know chicks here in Thailand with original phones and they all say they did not even want the shit, but a trick they were dealing with insisted on buying it for them. Women use their money to buy what they need and use your money to buy what they want.[/QUOTE]And we use women for our needs. And onto the next. But you seem to have a problem with prices guys are paying and prices girls are charging. And the issue is you don't think girls are getting 200 usd plus or whatever high prices but you're wrong. The high end girls get their money which is why they charge high with room for negotiation.

Just because you know girls that had phones bought for them doesn't mean it's the norm as most the girls I know bought it themselves in medellin.

Yes guys pay for the trips to bang the girls. But they want those girls. So they have to pay. The point is you think a girl is coming down to 250 k when she charges 200+ usd?? Not happening. The girls know their worth. It's their hustle.

The Honda dealer might go down a few bucks in price but the BMW dealers ain't going to go down to Honda prices.

You guys are out here arguing about how much to pay a girl for services, but what about ice cream prices? Why does it cost $8-12 for a quart of mediocre ice cream in Colombia? I think if someone can figure out how to sell quality ice cream for cheap they'the have enough money to pay whatever price for whatever service in the world.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2900319]But you seem to have a problem with prices guys are paying and prices girls are charging.[/QUOTE]Point to the post where I said I have a problem with what people are charging and paying. I do not have a problem with it at all. I hope the chicks start charging double and the guys start paying triple. It does not affect me any.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2900347]You guys are out here arguing about how much to pay a girl for services, but what about ice cream prices? Why does it cost $8-12 for a quart of mediocre ice cream in Colombia? I think if someone can figure out how to sell quality ice cream for cheap they'the have enough money to pay whatever price for whatever service in the world.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure where you go shopping but at D1 they have ice cream half gallon size for like 12 mil which is $3 usd. It comes in chocolate, vanilla, morras, and ron con pasas flavor.

I can prove that you guys in Cartagena are overpaying. This is Angeles a chica I met in Medellin in Plaza Botero. Here she charges 40 mil for a rato and I have gotten her to accept 60 mil for BBFS (I repeated a cpl times).

Anyways she says you guys are paying her $100 usd up there in Cartagena. Dame girl, same vagina, same service. Why the need to pay so much more??

And just to clarify, I'm not bitter mad or upset, in fact I haven't even been fucking her lately. I've been on to the next one. I'm just trying to understand the logic in paying $100 usd for something that costs $12 usd.

Its like Mac Dre said "I can sell an Eskimo ice at a high price and get him twice" in that analogy you guys are the Eskimos LOL.

[QUOTE=Givency;2900291]My guy in CTG is telling me Space is back open and Dolce Vida is opening next week under a new name. Anyone hearing this?[/QUOTE]Space reopened this past weekend as Omnia Hookah bar. Same rules as other clubs. No girls allowed to enter to work. Girls have enter with a guy. So you will only have couples inside or a sausage fest.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2900319]And we use women for our needs. And onto the next. But you seem to have a problem with prices guys are paying and prices girls are charging. And the issue is you don't think girls are getting 200 usd plus or whatever high prices but you're wrong. The high end girls get their money which is why they charge high with room for negotiation.

Just because you know girls that had phones bought for them doesn't mean it's the norm as most the girls I know bought it themselves in medellin.

Yes guys pay for the trips to bang the girls. But they want those girls. So they have to pay. The point is you think a girl is coming down to 250 k when she charges 200+ usd?? Not happening. The girls know their worth. It's their hustle.

The Honda dealer might go down a few bucks in price but the BMW dealers ain't going to go down to Honda prices.[/QUOTE]I follow a lot of the hotter high end girls from Medellin and Tijuana on their social media. Think VS model types. They take a lot of very nice, expensive trips all over Mexico, the Caribbean and Europe. Way more often than not it is with their other hot high end hooker girlfriends. If all the pics are just of them then it is with a sugar daddy, but if it is with the girlfriends they will be in the pics.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2900532]I follow a lot of the hotter high end girls from Medellin and Tijuana on their social media. Think VS model types. They take a lot of very nice, expensive trips all over Mexico, the Caribbean and Europe. Way more often than not it is with their other hot high end hooker girlfriends. If all the pics are just of them then it is with a sugar daddy, but if it is with the girlfriends they will be in the pics.[/QUOTE]Colombian women who go to Dubai love to brag that they've been there. The funny thing is it's been exposed.

Yes girls get paid 10 k plus usd. But these Arabs use them as toilets. Sick but true. But hey they all get the Instagram moments in the desert having the greatest time eating the best foods etc. Guys put them up in penthouses and places most of us can never even dream of being in.

My point is there are filthy rich men who pay and right now Colombian women are it. They are using social media to maximize their advertising capabilities.

In India there's rich groups offering girls 10 k for anal gang bangs with their male friends. 20 guys to 10 girls and all take turns. Anal only.

There are levels you guys don't even know exist. And if you're always playing in the 40 mil for pussy or 120 mil for club pussy that's fine. But odds are you're not going to know what's going on in the high high end of this industry.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2900038]Huh? "They" would be the people you pay the rent to. You must be sleepy or high.[/QUOTE]And how do you that is a "they" versus a she or he? You do not. So when you say that "they" raised my rent because it was because a foreigner was paying for it, and you do not know that either, you are making up the "they".

So everyone can see you are making shit up to support the constant myth you got going on in your head: I am paying less than everyone else and getting it just as good.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2900532]I follow a lot of the hotter high end girls from Medellin and Tijuana on their social media. Think VS model types. They take a lot of very nice, expensive trips all over Mexico, the Caribbean and Europe. Way more often than not it is with their other hot high end hooker girlfriends. If all the pics are just of them then it is with a sugar daddy, but if it is with the girlfriends they will be in the pics.[/QUOTE]If these girls are traveling with friends it is almost definitely through an agency moving them between markets. Do you think good-looking girls are moving from Medellin to Tijuana, between two countries with the most powerful cartels in the world, without protection? I doubt they are booking their airfare and hotels on Priceline, and my guess is they are being paid for by the same company that pays for those cellphones. I suspect every girl working the clubs or streets in Centro has someone they call if they have a problem with a client or anyone else. I suspect most girls who work multiple cities are "semi-independent", meaning they may have a lot of flexibility on a daily basis but they pay for protection, hotel / apartment, transportation, and other support. My guess is even the independents pay someone to keep them safe, especially if they are good-looking and can pull a good rate.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2900558]If these girls are traveling with friends it is almost definitely through an agency moving them between markets. Do you think good-looking girls are moving from Medellin to Tijuana, between two countries with the most powerful cartels in the world, without protection? I doubt they are booking their airfare and hotels on Priceline, and my guess is they are being paid for by the same company that pays for those cellphones. I suspect every girl working the clubs or streets in Centro has someone they call if they have a problem with a client or anyone else. I suspect most girls who work multiple cities are "semi-independent", meaning they may have a lot of flexibility on a daily basis but they pay for protection, hotel / apartment, transportation, and other support. My guess is even the independents pay someone to keep them safe, especially if they are good-looking and can pull a good rate.[/QUOTE]I know most of them and I am talking about short vacations, less than a week, with their girlfriends. They are not there to work. They are girls that live in either MDE or TIJ and are very hot and can make a lot of money. I don't know any club or street girls in MDE. Some work at Hong Kong in Tijuana. Mostly from Seeking and some FB. I operate on a higher level.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900507]I can prove that you guys in Cartagena are overpaying. This is Angeles a chica I met in Medellin in Plaza Botero. Here she charges 40 mil for a rato and I have gotten her to accept 60 mil for BBFS (I repeated a cpl times).

Anyways she says you guys are paying her $100 usd up there in Cartagena. Dame girl, same vagina, same service. Why the need to pay so much more??

And just to clarify, I'm not bitter mad or upset, in fact I haven't even been fucking her lately. I've been on to the next one. I'm just trying to understand the logic in paying $100 usd for something that costs $12 usd.

Its like Mac Dre said "I can sell an Eskimo ice at a high price and get him twice" in that analogy you guys are the Eskimos LOL.[/QUOTE]Well it's the same with the Dominicans. They go from 1200 pesos in Sosua then once the land over here in Dyckman they want $300 for the same old rock hard fucked up BBL and chopped up body.

I would love to see what this 60 Mil BBFS in Medellinwho can go to Cartagena and charge $100 looks like to gauge what type of gringo is paying for something like that.

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2900315]Trying to add the pictures again since they did not upload last time.

Anyone know who she is?[/QUOTE]I know who she is but she doesn't look like that anymore, she only wore that hair while she was working.

I remember around this time last year someone dropped her photo in a WhatsApp group saying some things about her, but she had already told me what happened with the gringo. Had to pull him aside in a private message and let him know that he cannot get mad at the chica and refuse to pay when his dick don't work because he's been sniffing too much.

Anyway she managed to figure out how to sit at home and have these gringos send her money so she's now a travel chica. From what I've seen looks like she managed to line up 3 of her sponsors back to back for her birthday last month and went to Medellin, Gautape, Santa Martha, Minca, and San Andres.

From her last post it looks like she's still in San Andres with a gringo.

You won't find her in the clubs anymore even if they open back up.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2900533]Colombian women who go to Dubai love to brag that they've been there. The funny thing is it's been exposed.

Yes girls get paid 10 k plus usd. But these Arabs use them as toilets. Sick but true. But hey they all get the Instagram moments in the desert having the greatest time eating the best foods etc. Guys put them up in penthouses and places most of us can never even dream of being in.

My point is there are filthy rich men who pay and right now Colombian women are it. They are using social media to maximize their advertising capabilities.

In India there's rich groups offering girls 10 k for anal gang bangs with their male friends. 20 guys to 10 girls and all take turns. Anal only.

There are levels you guys don't even know exist. And if you're always playing in the 40 mil for pussy or 120 mil for club pussy that's fine. But odds are you're not going to know what's going on in the high high end of this industry.[/QUOTE]I remember when the Dubai stuff got exposed on Tagthesponsor. Shit was wild, sucking of camels, the shower curtains on the bed for the shit LOL. They love that humiliation stuff and them IG models become scared for life and play it off trying to make strangers believe some prince gave them that wonderful week in Dubai because she was so beautiful. Jake Paul exposed it too. All them IG models are for sale.

Those Indians are on a whole other level. Every time I was in Pattaya I would always see about 5 of them negotiating for 1 girl and the look on the girls face through the whole conversation just seem extremely uncomfortable, then she goes with them with the most unpleasant face like they didn't even want to do it but they need the money.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2900031]Yeah, but usually they don't want to say Torices so they say "near Marbella". I counted five mileroticos ads last time I browsed with the same map for location.

I happen to have gotten to know this girl's history fairly well, so I am confident she really is independent. She also has an Onlyfans which I assume provides a steady income stream. I am sure she will try to get the hooks in one way or another, but I am turning 70 and I am going to spend 5 days fucking a 20-something. I'll deal with the aftermath.[/QUOTE]70!? Damn we're 2 generations apart. Have all the sex you can while it all still works.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2900558]If these girls are traveling with friends it is almost definitely through an agency moving them between markets. Do you think good-looking girls are moving from Medellin to Tijuana, between two countries with the most powerful cartels in the world, without protection? I doubt they are booking their airfare and hotels on Priceline, and my guess is they are being paid for by the same company that pays for those cellphones. I suspect every girl working the clubs or streets in Centro has someone they call if they have a problem with a client or anyone else. I suspect most girls who work multiple cities are "semi-independent", meaning they may have a lot of flexibility on a daily basis but they pay for protection, hotel / apartment, transportation, and other support. My guess is even the independents pay someone to keep them safe, especially if they are good-looking and can pull a good rate.[/QUOTE]Yep, there are so many girls in CDMX from Colombia, currently. There is also a website in CDMX that advertises for Colombian and Venz. , chicks. I have not seen any Colombian chicks on SA in MTY recently, there is usually a few.

The Mexican Dudes love the Colombian Chicks, do not ask why, not for me. The hot ones are making a good living, but the average once it is probably pretty tough for them.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2900550]And how do you that is a "they" versus a she or he? You do not. So when you say that "they" raised my rent because it was because a foreigner was paying for it, and you do not know that either, you are making up the "they".[/QUOTE]I come on ISG for mongering, not to teach you English. They can refer to a he or she as well as a group of people. I speak 5 languages. That is how I knew it was a they and not making it up. Finish high school first alright, because next time I am going to charge you for these lessons.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2900581]I don't know any club or street girls in MDE. Some work at Hong Kong in Tijuana. Mostly from Seeking and some FB. I operate on a higher level.[/QUOTE]And you consider Hong Kong a higher level? Higher price sure. Higher level though? They even advertise Cascadas as a luxury hotel. If you agree with that then I know something is wrong. I have been in better $13 per day motels in downtown Medellin than Cascadas. And what do they charge now, at least $20 to take a chick from Hong Kong there for 1 hour?

Dear friends and fellow mongers.

I have been living in Latin America since 2012, and in Panama City (Panama) since 2019. I go and visit Colombia frequently for work, including Cartagena, where I have been two weeks ago.

I am not a newbie in the city and I manage to speak perfect Spanish, however I can still be spotted as a "gringo" (I am European).

My two options for accomodation are either in Bocagrande or in calm streets in the historical center. The city is not getting any better.

Street vendor is a constant harassment wherever you go; I have been to the beach of Playa Bomba with two girlfriends, and it is unbelievable how many vendors will approach you all the time. The average is one vendor every minute. The worst thing is that they will not leave after you say no, and they will stick around for a few minutes with a sad face and talking shit.

After you finally say "no" for the 20th time, they will leave.

Count until ten. Next vendor comes!

I have a group of Brazilian friends who recently visited the city and they were extremely disappointed and said that they will not come back ever.

The city is full of scams of every kind (taxi, cheap stuff sold overpriced, tours, SW, EVERYTHING is possibly a way to scam you).

The ladies around are not the best but you can spot some gorgeous ones. They will still try to scam you as well, so BEWARE.

[QUOTE=Tiepolo2002;2900682]Dear friends and fellow mongers.

I have been living in Latin America since 2012, and in Panama City (Panama) since 2019. I go and visit Colombia frequently for work, including Cartagena, where I have been two weeks ago.

I am not a newbie in the city and I manage to speak perfect Spanish, however I can still be spotted as a "gringo" (I am European).

My two options for accommodation are either in Bocagrande or in calm streets in the historical center. The city is not getting any better.

Street vendor is a constant harassment wherever you go; I have been to the beach of Playa Bomba with two girlfriends, and it is unbelievable how many vendors will approach you all the time. The average is one vendor every minute. The worst thing is that they will not leave after you say no, and they will stick around for a few minutes with a sad face and talking shit.

After you finally say "no" for the 20th time, they will leave..[/QUOTE]So you're saying that in 2024 it's the same thing many were saying in 2023,2022 and 2021. People are aware and have adapted, they know not to go to the public beaches and only go to the private ones the vendors cannot easily access.

I've seen many have learned to observe and adapt but also see many like to keep doing the same things and expect a different result but within time they come to the same conclusion and adapt as well. Some just take longer than others.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2900591]I would love to see what this 60 Mil BBFS in Medellinwho can go to Cartagena and charge $100 looks like to gauge what type of gringo is paying for something like that.[/QUOTE]The one with the glasses. Her name is Angeles but I believe she uses Paola as her hooker name. She's a 20 year old vennie but I think she's a big tussi head.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2900591]I would love to see what this 60 Mil BBFS in Medellinwho can go to Cartagena and charge $100 looks like to gauge what type of gringo is paying for something like that.[/QUOTE]Dude, you just saw it in the post that old dude is looking for his Dolce girl from last year. You answered your own question.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2900605]I know who she is but she doesn't look like that anymore, she only wore that hair while she was working.

Anyway she managed to figure out how to sit at home and have these gringos send her money so she's now a travel chica. From what I've seen looks like she managed to line up 3 of her sponsors back to back for her birthday last month and went to Medellin, Gautape, Santa Martha, Minca, and San Andres.

You won't find her in the clubs anymore even if they open back up.[/QUOTE]So what you are telling us is that "she knows what she is worth" and is now "high end"? LOL! At least somebody finally posted pictures of one to kill the mystery. But I have a feeling that folks are still going to argue that their hooker is better than mine.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2900608]Those Indians are on a whole other level. Every time I was in Pattaya I would always see about 5 of them negotiating for 1 girl and the look on the girls face through the whole conversation just seem extremely uncomfortable, then she goes with them with the most unpleasant face like they didn't even want to do it but they need the money.[/QUOTE]It just seemed that way from the outside looking in. The girls actually love it. I have talked to them. With 5 Indian guys they can get 1000 baht back to back and be out of there in 20 minutes. With other guys they are going to only get 1000 baht from somebody that wants to fuck forever.

The Indian discos are the most lucrative. They jack up the price on all the drinks and the girls charge at least 4000 baht. I get a lot of those girls coming over for 1000 baht before they go to the club. (Works the same way everywhere; get a little money over here and a lot of money over there. I guess they turn high end somewhere between my place and the club.) I took my buddy into one last week and he did not want to leave. Place is huge and packed to the rafters with chicks. They sell the guys fake money to throw. I felt sorry for the lady that had to sweep all that shit up.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900723]The one with the glasses. Her name is Angeles but I believe she uses Paola as her hooker name. She's a 20 year old vennie but I think she's a big tussi head.[/QUOTE]Is she the one taking the selfie in the first picture? I can see why it's 60 MIL but whoever's paying $100 for that must be extremely drunk or the women that they are normally around looks much worse.

After see that first picture, the one who is taking the selfie the only thing that came to mind was this.

[URL]https://youtu.be/Ne6Ss9wiCmI?t=53[/URL]

The one is the back in all black is cute but I'm I'm highly skeptical of the gender. Those traps make it hard to trust visually.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2900747]Dude, you just saw it in the post that old dude is looking for his Dolce girl from last year. You answered your own question. [/QUOTE]This is why it's important when people start throwing out prices it's good to see what it's attached to LOL.

I'll send him the info if they still interested but people be asking for shit then return after their trip saying they found something better and cheaper LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational]So what you are telling us is that "she knows what she is worth" and is now "high end"? LOL! At least somebody finally posted pictures of one to kill the mystery. But I have a feeling that folks are still going to argue that their hooker is better than mine.[/QUOTE]Yes, she won't work in Cartagena, she receives money so she doesn't have a need to go out and work the clubs or street. Whoever takes her has to buy her a plane ticket and the bad thing is that when people jump on that "flying chicas out" if they have no history of staying with the girl for an extended period they have no idea how long it will take to get on each others nerves. Also chicas are starting to get smart, they are making the gringos send them the money to buy their own ticket so the gringo don't be on no hood shit trying not cancel their return flight because the chica didn't want to have a ton of sex.

The police have moved further up into the plaza across the street from the Clock Tower. Not patrolling as much, but they are still there. I expect them to get super strict in the next few weeks. Semana Santa right around the corner.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2900611]70!? Damn we're 2 generations apart. Have all the sex you can while it all still works.[/QUOTE]That's the plan. Summer European trip and I am planning on staying a couple of extra days in Prague.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2900798]Is she the one taking the selfie in the first picture? I can see why it's 60 MIL but whoever's paying $100 for that must be extremely drunk or the women that they are normally around looks much worse.

After see that first picture, the one who is taking the selfie the only thing that came to mind was this.

[URL]https://youtu.be/Ne6Ss9wiCmI?t=53[/URL]

The one is the back in all black is cute but I'm I'm highly skeptical of the gender. Those traps make it hard to trust visually.[/QUOTE]Either that or she is lying. About the $100. Then again all these dudes in Cartagena are saying they pay street girls like 300 mil and shit so $100 being 390 mil may not be that far off.

The one in the back in the first Pic I haven't fucked so I can't confirm her gender but the rest of them I have fucked. The one taking the selfie, the morena in the middle and the other one in black that looks druggie in the other Pic I have fucked all 3 of them and all bareback in the 60 mil to 80 mil range and they are all female.

The one in the back in the Pic with the 3 of them. I have yet to fuck.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900507]I can prove that you guys in Cartagena are overpaying. This is Angeles a chica I met in Medellin in Plaza Botero. Here she charges 40 mil for a rato and I have gotten her to accept 60 mil for BBFS (I repeated a cpl times).

Anyways she says you guys are paying her $100 usd up there in Cartagena. Dame girl, same vagina, same service. Why the need to pay so much more??

And just to clarify, I'm not bitter mad or upset, in fact I haven't even been fucking her lately. I've been on to the next one. I'm just trying to understand the logic in paying $100 usd for something that costs $12 usd.

Its like Mac Dre said "I can sell an Eskimo ice at a high price and get him twice" in that analogy you guys are the Eskimos LOL.[/QUOTE]Might be true might not. Chicas lie a lot, especially about how much money other men pay them. Saw her pic, she's butt ugly.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2900913]Might be true might not. Chicas lie a lot, especially about how much money other men pay them. Saw her pic, she's butt ugly.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not I'm actually in agreement. I think she is Butt ugly but not necessarily hideous and I think she is most likely lying.

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[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900507]I can prove that you guys in Cartagena are overpaying. This is Angeles a chica I met in Medellin in Plaza Botero. Here she charges 40 mil for a rato and I have gotten her to accept 60 mil for BBFS (I repeated a cpl times).

Anyways she says you guys are paying her $100 usd up there in Cartagena. Dame girl, same vagina, same service. Why the need to pay so much more??

And just to clarify, I'm not bitter mad or upset, in fact I haven't even been fucking her lately. I've been on to the next one. I'm just trying to understand the logic in paying $100 usd for something that costs $12 usd.

Its like Mac Dre said "I can sell an Eskimo ice at a high price and get him twice" in that analogy you guys are the Eskimos LOL.[/QUOTE]So my question is, if I met her in Cartagena and offered her 40 K for un rato would she take it or would she keep looking? If she would take 40 K but someone pays her 400 K (or $100) he is overpaying. If she wouldn't take the 40 K because she knows she can get $100 from the next guy, and that is her Cartagena rate, then we get into arguing over semantics. What if she came to my neighborhood and started charging $300/ HR? She would be the best value on the market here, so would I be "overpaying"?

By the way, how much would you pay her for a day on a boat out to the islands to go snorkeling in Medellin? My point is that the price of any product and service is based on more than its "functionality". Location is part of price. If I want to be in Cartagena and not Medellin, then what a girl charges in Medellin isn't really relevant.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2901009]So my question is, if I met her in Cartagena and offered her 40 K for un rato would she take it or would she keep looking? If she would take 40 K but someone pays her 400 K (or $100) he is overpaying. If she wouldn't take the 40 K because she knows she can get $100 from the next guy, and that is her Cartagena rate, then we get into arguing over semantics. What if she came to my neighborhood and started charging $300/ HR? She would be the best value on the market here, so would I be "overpaying"?

By the way, how much would you pay her for a day on a boat out to the islands to go snorkeling in Medellin? My point is that the price of any product and service is based on more than its "functionality". Location is part of price. If I want to be in Cartagena and not Medellin, then what a girl charges in Medellin isn't really relevant.[/QUOTE]Anyone paying her more than 40 k covered or 60 k BBFS is overpaying her. Regardless of whether it's in Medellin or Cartagena or wherever else you might choose to be.

P.S. Going snorkeling is a stupid waste of money.

Go ahead and pay her the Cartagena rate and take her snorkeling if you want but don't be trying to say that you didn't overpay and actually try to justify it, that is just stupid.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2900616]I come on ISG for mongering, not to teach you English. They can refer to a he or she as well as a group of people.[/QUOTE]You need to go back to school, dummy. Per your own reference, "they" refers to a singular person only when gender is not defined. He or she refers to a single person of male or female sex, and you do not know who the fuck I am paying rent to or why the rent was raised. You are just making shit up.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2901009]What if she came to my neighborhood and started charging $300/ HR? She would be the best value on the market here, so would I be "overpaying"?
[/QUOTE]By applying this same logic to mcdonald's you would be saying that paying $18 for a Big Mac Combo at a mcdonald's inside an airport is not overpaying because the rate they charge is higher inside the airport eventhough we all know the same big Mac combo costs like $9 at a normal mcdonald's. There is no logic in that thinking. The airport mcdonald's is charging double for the same thing as the regular mcdonald's it is not suddenly worth more because it inside an airport, just as a street girl is not suddenly worth more because she went to Cartagena.

The only reason they can even get away with charging those higher prices is because guys like you come along and pay it.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2901020]By applying this same logic to mcdonald's you would be saying that paying $18 for a Big Mac Combo at a mcdonald's inside an airport is not overpaying because the rate they charge is higher inside the airport eventhough we all know the same big Mac combo costs like $9 at a normal mcdonald's. There is no logic in that thinking. The airport mcdonald's is charging double for the same thing as the regular mcdonald's it is not suddenly worth more because it inside an airport, just as a street girl is not suddenly worth more because she went to Cartagena.

The only reason they can even get away with charging those higher prices is because guys like you come along and pay it.[/QUOTE]If you are inside an airport a Big Mac combo inside the airport is definitely worth more than one outside the airport. You know why? BECAUSE YOU ARE INSIDE THE AIRPORT! The only thing that matters is how the $18 Big Mac combo compares to the shitty chicken salad wrap next to the Cokes in the cooler next door, or the $20 burrito in whatever faux Mexican fast food place is in that concourse.

If you don't want to pay $18 for a Big Mac combo here are some things you can do, along with their Cartagena equivalents:

1. Don't go to airports because the food is too expensive. (Don't go to Cartagena because the hookers are too expensive.).

2. Don't eat in airports because the food is too expensive. (Don't pay hookers in Cartagena because they are too expensive.).

3. Bring your own food to the airport. (Fly in a date from a cheaper city.).

4. Check out a bunch of places in the airport so you know your options and what they cost. (Look at ads, reviews, etc. To make sure you know the local market.).

5. Buy the chicken salad sandwich because it is less expensive. (Look for the chica who gives you the lowest rate.).

6. If the Big Mac combo is $18, make sure to check your order and your change. (Make sure you agree on time and services in advance and that there are no surprises later.).

If you want to do 7. Tell the girl at the counter that you only want to pay $8 because that's what they charge at the McDonalds in town. Well, good luck. I would rather do #4, know the local market, and find a chica who provides good value based on Cartagena prices.

I am not doing 1 or 2. I like Cartagena, I enjoy the city, it's an easy flight for me, and I am going to keep coming back. So, no thank you, 1 and 2 are out. This trip I happen to be doing #3, but on any trip anywhere I try to do 4 and 6. I look for what I want in terms of value, but I don't really do 5. I just don't do 7 at all. If I don't like her rate I move on. I'm not going to tell her what she should do based on what prices are somewhere else.

I will also give your opinion of snorkeling all the consideration it deserves. Oops, already did.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2901061]If you are inside an airport a Big Mac combo inside the airport is definitely worth more than one outside the airport. You know why? BECAUSE YOU ARE INSIDE THE AIRPORT! The only thing that matters is how the $18 Big Mac combo compares to the shitty chicken salad wrap next to the Cokes in the cooler next door, or the $20 burrito in whatever faux Mexican fast food place is in that concourse.

If you don't want to pay $18 for a Big Mac combo here are some things you can do, along with their Cartagena equivalents:

1. Don't go to airports because the food is too expensive. (Don't go to Cartagena because the hookers are too expensive.).

2. Don't eat in airports because the food is too expensive. (Don't pay hookers in Cartagena because they are too expensive.).

3. Bring your own food to the airport. (Fly in a date from a cheaper city.).

4. Check out a bunch of places in the airport so you know your options and what they cost. (Look at ads, reviews, etc. To make sure you know the local market.)..[/QUOTE]No the big Mac combo is not worth more because it is inside an airport. The same components go into it whether it's in the airport or in a suburb of Denver. The same hamburger buns, the same beef patties, same toppings, same potatoes for the fries, same fountain drink.

The value of what you are receiving is literally the same inside and outside of the airport just the price is different.

The best option would to be refrain from buying any food at the airport and save your money until you get to your destination and then go to a regular mcdonald's. So this equates to not partaking in mongering in the US and saving your $300 an hour and then spending it on mongering after you arrive in Colombia. This will result in more value received for the money that is spent. If you can't understand that then that is your problem.

And I'll say it again snorkeling is stupid you might as well pay to go golfing too while you are at it.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2901123]No the big Mac combo is not worth more because it is inside an airport. The same components go into it whether it's in the airport or in a suburb of Denver. The same hamburger buns, the same beef patties, same toppings, same potatoes for the fries, same fountain drink.

The value of what you are receiving is literally the same inside and outside of the airport just the price is different.

The best option would to be refrain from buying any food at the airport and save your money until you get to your destination and then go to a regular mcdonald's. So this equates to not partaking in mongering in the US and saving your $300 an hour and then spending it on mongering after you arrive in Colombia. This will result in more value received for the money that is spent. If you can't understand that then that is your problem.

And I'll say it again snorkeling is stupid you might as well pay to go golfing too while you are at it.[/QUOTE]Chasing your dick all over the world because you don't want to pay the local price of pussy is either stupid or infeasible or both. Sorry, I'm not going to stay celibate whenever I am in the USA Because you think pussy is to expensive, and I am not going to decide where I live based on the price of pussy. If you do that you may have an addiction problem.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2901123]No the big Mac combo is not worth more because it is inside an airport. The same components go into it whether it's in the airport or in a suburb of Denver.....[/QUOTE]Unless you do not count rent as a component and it is a little more complicated than that.

I think most of these girls have similar background and come from the same place so you are basically getting the same thing. If we only focus on outcome based on satisfaction level, you are the lucky one who can be happy spending far less and getting the same outcome.

Keep in mind, some people have specific taste, and they must spend more to get what you get. An example is street food vs restaurant. If we can do a blind test, one can get better food from the street than restaurant with much lower price easily, but there are people who simply don't want to eat street food. The people who can get the similar level of happiness from both will be happier. I would actually call these who can be happy with both are at higher level, relative to the one who can only be happy with just one choice. The ones who have to come to Colombia and spending more are more likely to be unhappy because they are limiting themselves and relatively speaking, there are people at even higher level that you can see just by what are being posted here that makes them low level based on that logic.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2901152]Chasing your dick all over the world because you don't want to pay the local price of pussy is either stupid or infeasible or both. Sorry, I'm not going to stay celibate whenever I am in the USA Because you think pussy is to expensive, and I am not going to decide where I live based on the price of pussy. If you do that you may have an addiction problem.[/QUOTE]Well seeing prostitution is illegal in the US it may in fact be you who has the addiction problem, considering you're willing to break the law and risk being caught up like the dudes down in Florida.

I think what I'm saying makes much more sense money wise and with what I'm saying you're doing everything legally and not at risk of getting caught up in a sting operation.

But go ahead and do what you do. Maybe we'll be reading your name in the newspapers one day.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2901222]Unless you do not count rent as a component and it is a little more complicated than that.

I think most of these girls have similar background and come from the same place so you are basically getting the same thing. If we only focus on outcome based on satisfaction level, you are the lucky one who can be happy spending far less and getting the same outcome.

Keep in mind, some people have specific taste, and they must spend more to get what you get. An example is street food vs restaurant. If we can do a blind test, one can get better food from the street than restaurant with much lower price easily, but there are people who simply don't want to eat street food. The people who can get the similar level of happiness from both will be happier. I would actually call these who can be happy with both are at higher level, relative to the one who can only be happy with just one choice. The ones who have to come to Colombia and spending more are more likely to be unhappy because they are limiting themselves and relatively speaking, there are people at even higher level that you can see just by what are being posted here that makes them low level based on that logic.[/QUOTE]Kind of hard to follow what you're trying to say Nounce. Are you on my side or are you taking the side of this idiot newbie with 33 posts who thinks that engaging in illegal activity in the US doesn't constitute a sex addiction but traveling to somewhere where it is legal is an addiction?

According to his logic all of us in would have an addiction.

Hearing from people who have just left Cartagena, the first thing out the girls mouth is $100 but he said you counter with 200 or 250 mil and they take it immediately. Getting head for 100 or 150 mil. Guess the girls are trying their luck to catch a sucker but it sounds like the prices have been reset. Girls have to stay on the move walking the 2 block radius of Space — Alquimico — around the block — Delirium / VSOP — around the block and back at Space.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2900605]I know who she is but she doesn't look like that anymore, she only wore that hair while she was working.

I remember around this time last year someone dropped her photo in a WhatsApp group saying some things about her, but she had already told me what happened with the gringo. Had to pull him aside in a private message and let him know that he cannot get mad at the chica and refuse to pay when his dick don't work because he's been sniffing too much.

Anyway she managed to figure out how to sit at home and have these gringos send her money so she's now a travel chica. From what I've seen looks like she managed to line up 3 of her sponsors back to back for her birthday last month and went to Medellin, Gautape, Santa Martha, Minca, and San Andres.

From her last post it looks like she's still in San Andres with a gringo.

You won't find her in the clubs anymore even if they open back up.[/QUOTE]Are you sure its the same girl? Can you give me her info so I can message her to meet her next week when I'm in Cartagena?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900892]Either that or she is lying. About the $100. Then again all these dudes in Cartagena are saying they pay street girls like 300 mil and shit so $100 being 390 mil may not be that far off.

The one in the back in the first Pic I haven't fucked so I can't confirm her gender but the rest of them I have fucked. The one taking the selfie, the morena in the middle and the other one in black that looks druggie in the other Pic I have fucked all 3 of them and all bareback in the 60 mil to 80 mil range and they are all female.

The one in the back in the Pic with the 3 of them. I have yet to fuck.[/QUOTE]They all look like a fun romp for that price in Botero. The glasses girls smile is a bit big but guess the brackets are fixing that. Nice light skin on a Latina I like though. Funny how we are all drawn to looking at the cutie in the back in the first picture. And they say beauty scale is subjective haha LOL. Have fun Gabacho. If you add that girl in the back to your list please share the Love hahahaha. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2901237]Kind of hard to follow what you're trying to say Nounce. Are you on my side or are you taking the side of this idiot newbie with 33 posts who thinks that engaging in illegal activity in the US doesn't constitute a sex addiction but traveling to somewhere where it is legal is an addiction?

According to his logic all of us in would have an addiction.[/QUOTE]If I want to make my answer short, I will say I am on your side. I look at this based on outcome. Assume all are happy, then it seems to me the one that spent less is better off because he will always have more choice and more money left assume everything else is equal. I can see some people can't make the same choice as you do so they have a higher level of spending. That maybe the part that confuses you.

You are using one example to generalize it. Not all girls will fit this profile. But I think most expensive girls must start somewhere and it usually is from the low end that often is based on where they are from. If she is from Bello, then her price will be Bello price. A few years later, when they have more mileage, some may get Dubai price. One can sometimes see this played out in the Medellin thread but they just did not know it since they were new and did not know the history.

Was in Centro for dinner last night with the missus. There were a surprising amount of muchachas just outside the area around Torre Reloj for a Wednesday. Police were there too, but not bothering the ladies.

Are the following reliable and safe?

Lasnenasbogota.

Missgorgeous.

Diamondsbogota.

Looks like they have presence in CTG.

[QUOTE=LaddooKhaao;2901374]Are the following reliable and safe?

Lasnenasbogota.

Missgorgeous.

Diamondsbogota.

Looks like they have presence in CTG.[/QUOTE]Don't bother with any agencies, brother. There is not enough of a segmented customer base for high end escorts to be a thing. The closest you will get are the part timers on Seeking that hunt gringos. Some of them speak some English, and they try to upsell you based on that. The experience is largely the same.

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2901242]Are you sure its the same girl? Can you give me her info so I can message her to meet her next week when I'm in Cartagena?[/QUOTE]I know it's the same dolce girl, but I'm telling you you will need to get her a plane ticket and take her out of Cartagena, or go to Baru or something, she's not going to do a 1 night or 1 hour with a gringo it's full days and nights staying with the gringo.

I posted a photo for context, how about you tell me if it's the same chica? Jajaj.

[QUOTE=HumpyDumpty11;2901238]Hearing from people who have just left Cartagena, the first thing out the girls mouth is $100 but he said you counter with 200 or 250 mil and they take it immediately. Getting head for 100 or 150 mil. Guess the girls are trying their luck to catch a sucker but it sounds like the prices have been reset. Girls have to stay on the move walking the 2 block radius of Space Alquimico around the block Delirium / VSOP around the block and back at Space.[/QUOTE]The confusion with this is no one knows what them chicas look like and what services the gringos are asking for. So a chica might throw out $100 for a hour FS and the gringo might counter with 250 mi because he doesn't need the full hour and only wants 30 minutes.

From what I'm hearing and seeing the majority of good girls that were there have left to USA or MDE to earn more.

Those of us who live in major cities or Sanctuary cities know where the good ones are. As the folks in West Texas what their choices look like now, or the ones in Houston, or Miami or NYC. The majority cute young Vennies and Colombianas went where the men are custom to paying more for a woman.

[QUOTE=LaddooKhaao;2901374]Are the following reliable and safe?

Lasnenasbogota.

Missgorgeous.

Diamondsbogota.

Looks like they have presence in CTG.[/QUOTE]If you're going to a country where you can literally walk out side and pick a girl like you were shopping for produce at an open market, why are you trying to sit behind a screen and place an order to be delivered?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2901954]I know it's the same dolce girl, but I'm telling you you will need to get her a plane ticket and take her out of Cartagena, or go to Baru or something, she's not going to do a 1 night or 1 hour with a gringo it's full days and nights staying with the gringo.

I posted a photo for context, how about you tell me if it's the same chica? Jajaj.[/QUOTE]She doesn't look any better than the girls in the 3 pics I posted last week.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2901236]Well seeing prostitution is illegal in the US it may in fact be you who has the addiction problem, considering you're willing to break the law and risk being caught up like the dudes down in Florida.

I think what I'm saying makes much more sense money wise and with what I'm saying you're doing everything legally and not at risk of getting caught up in a sting operation.

But go ahead and do what you do. Maybe we'll be reading your name in the newspapers one day.[/QUOTE]I doubt either of the two girls I see here, or those I see in a couple of other cities, are going to report me. I mean maybe I am not quite as safe as in Medellin, where nobody ever gets robbed, beaten, arrested, or killed, right?

I agree that starving yourself makes sense money wise, so you do that. I will eat when I am hungry. You go and live where everything is cheapest; I will live where everything is best. Enjoy. Maybe some day you will save enough money to die rich.

Was in Centro last night for dinner with my girl. Tons of girls on the street to the right as you are entering the square. Police are there, but not stopping anyone. My girl went to the bathroom in Alquimico, and two rizaditas cornered me. 150 k for each for an hour. Those types of threesomes are usually a huge waste of time, but I did get their Whatapp. Will test and see.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2901974]She doesn't look any better than the girls in the 3 pics I posted last week.[/QUOTE]This is why anyone coming into the forums, discord groups, WhatsApp groups and Facebook groups asking for 8's, 9's, and 10's usually gets ignored and when I ask them for clarification on what that number pertains to them to help them find what they are looking for by asking simple questions "if they like them big / slim, light / dark, older / younger, kids / no kids, natural / fake tits and or ass, tall / short, etc" they usually either don't respond or respond in the most vague way possible but they are still looking for this 8, 9, 10 that only they find attractive.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder but I would take his fly out chica over the 60 mil Night Fury you posted (toothless), or that cute one in the back with the questionable gender.

Can you take one for the team and find out if they are packing huevos down there? Jajaja.

I'm planning a visit to Cartagena. Is it worth a trip to Medellin while I'm visiting the beaches and mongering. What is best mongering city in Columbia?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2902193]This is why anyone coming into the forums, discord groups, WhatsApp groups and Facebook groups asking for 8's, 9's, and 10's usually gets ignored and when I ask them for clarification on what that number pertains to them to help them find what they are looking for by asking simple questions "if they like them big / slim, light / dark, older / younger, kids / no kids, natural / fake tits and or ass, tall / short, etc" they usually either don't respond or respond in the most vague way possible but they are still looking for this 8, 9, 10 that only they find attractive.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder but I would take his fly out chica over the 60 mil Night Fury you posted (toothless), or that cute one in the back with the questionable gender.

Can you take one for the team and find out if they are packing huevos down there? Jajaja.[/QUOTE]Jajajajaja that last part literally made me laugh out loud LOL. I'm currently in Pereira with no plans of going to Cartagena so probably not going to happen bro.

If they're back in Medellin when I get back next time then I will investigate and report back LOL.

Turns out Space is closed for good. To be replaced by generic hookah bar. As all the news would need boots on the ground for if it's still a working girl bar. Imo, if it's a first timer I wouldn't go to Cartagena as I felt Clocktower / Walled City clubs was such an easy, relatively safe, and efficient spot for beginners.

For the Spanish proficient, vets, guys who stay 10+ days then the long game works in your favor. But it's no long a good plug & play spot. Agencies, prepagos sites, apps are active but not really different than MDE BOG. Edge to Cartagena if you need beach.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2902324]Turns out Space is closed for good. To be replaced by generic hookah bar. As all the news would need boots on the ground for if it's still a working girl bar. Imo, if it's a first timer I wouldn't go to Cartagena as I felt Clocktower / Walled City clubs was such an easy, relatively safe, and efficient spot for beginners.

For the Spanish proficient, vets, guys who stay 10+ days then the long game works in your favor. But it's no long a good plug & play spot. Agencies, prepagos sites, apps are active but not really different than MDE BOG. Edge to Cartagena if you need beach.[/QUOTE]What kept Space afloat was that's where a wide range of chicas were and the gringos were going there to put on a show to attract the chicas in there which was highly unnecessary but some people can't leave old habits at home. Space was being killed off for a while now as most of the hip hop crowd went over to Delirium and the chicas followed because that's who was throwing money. Space got the leftovers who were rejected by Dolce and most of them 4 x T shirt wearing beer belly gringos wasn't trying to take on them stairs. Also didn't help that they didn't own the building and had to pay rent. Reopening as a hookah bar will only put it in competition with Monkey Bar where nobody goes because it's filled with the same type of women men got on planes to get away from.

There was also talks about a strip club getting shut down outside the walls, I guess they didn't like that they had rooms on site for sex.

The people of Cartagena wanted this, they wanted their city cleaned up but that means getting rid of certain elements that attracted certain types of people, let them all return to Sosua to get them turkeys walking around in yoga pants jajaja.

I stopped doing the clubs a while back, happy I did, my experience became much better once I got away from certain type of people, especially the ones with volume control problems. Your right, first timers are fucked, not only are they going to get hit in the head for high prices in dollars they have a more limited selection and lost the ability to walk into a club and see a bunch of chicas at once and pick what fits their budget. It's also going to effect those mongers who never maintained communication with past chicas and always believed a new one is right around the corner or they want a new one every night. The ones who have a stable full or connections to friends of friends don't need to worry about 3 clubs, a clocktower and an annoying beach. Specifically making an instagram to keep in touch with all chicas I've come across for the last 5 years was the best thing I've ever done.

I can't wait to see what's it's going to look like once summer hits, let's see how long this new Mayor and the Medellin Mayor can keep this up.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2900507]I can prove that you guys in Cartagena are overpaying. This is Angeles a chica I met in Medellin in Plaza Botero. Here she charges 40 mil for a rato and I have gotten her to accept 60 mil for BBFS (I repeated a cpl times).

Anyways she says you guys are paying her $100 usd up there in Cartagena. Dame girl, same vagina, same service. Why the need to pay so much more??

And just to clarify, I'm not bitter mad or upset, in fact I haven't even been fucking her lately. I've been on to the next one. I'm just trying to understand the logic in paying $100 usd for something that costs $12 usd.

Its like Mac Dre said "I can sell an Eskimo ice at a high price and get him twice" in that analogy you guys are the Eskimos LOL.[/QUOTE]Not directly related to cartegena. Its Bogota in Chapinero. But this is a 19 year old that my buddy and I have been fucking GFE BBFS cip for 100 mil in a casa for 30 to 40 minutes. She won't give a face pic. But she's super cute.

This next comment is not meant to be argumentative. But those girls from the posted pictures on this topic from the last few days are super ratchet. I wouldn't fuck them for free with or without a condom. Seriously.

It all goes towards the fact that the rating of 8's, 9's, 10's is meaningless. I would suggest that clearly 1 to 5 is agreed upon to be unfuckable though. But the idea that any of the women in pictures from the last few days would be a woman that you would pay hundreds for and wine/dine on a trip for insane to me. But no judgement. We are all into different woman.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2902591]But this is a 19 year old that [b]my buddy and I have been fucking GFE[/b] BBFS cip[/QUOTE]If you AND your buddy have been fucking her and skeeting in her pussy, then that seems the exact opposite of a girlfriend experience. Pornstar experience maybe.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2902607]If you AND your buddy have been fucking her and skeeting in her pussy, then that seems the exact opposite of a girlfriend experience. Pornstar experience maybe.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it was poorly phrased. We are separately fucking her in the casa. Much more romantic that way.

I'm defining GFE as sensual, cuddling, kissing. But it is a casa after all. So maybe I should say GFE lite. Definitely not pornstar experience.

But in Bogota you can pay 200,000 for an even better looking (for me) 19-22 year old university student to come to your apartment or motel for true GFE for 2, 3 or more hours. These are not photoprepagaros girls. I have a few regulars now in the rotation. Personaly I like to balance my regulars out with a few casa girls because the casa doesn't really require much scheduling or planning.

Most of these girls I see won't travel though. Or won't easily because of their school and work schedules. Currently only 1 of mine is willing to. So maybe their prices would get ruined if they started to go to Cartegena.And maybe this lack of ability to travel keeps the pricing down.

I would pay double though for my current experiences. But I just don't need to.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2902591]Not directly related to cartegena. Its Bogota in Chapinero. But this is a 19 year old that my buddy and I have been fucking GFE BBFS cip for 100 mil in a casa for 30 to 40 minutes. She won't give a face pic. But she's super cute.

This next comment is not meant to be argumentative. But those girls from the posted pictures on this topic from the last few days are super ratchet. I wouldn't fuck them for free with or without a condom. Seriously.

It all goes towards the fact that the rating of 8's, 9's, 10's is meaningless. I would suggest that clearly 1 to 5 is agreed upon to be unfuckable though. But the idea that any of the women in pictures from the last few days would be a woman that you would pay hundreds for and wine/dine on a trip for insane to me. But no judgement. We are all into different woman.[/QUOTE]How long this "100 mil" been going on and how long that chica been working?

If this chica was to hop on a plane and go to Cartagena. Would she also be doing GFE BBFS for 100 mil for 30 - 40 minutes or would she be instantly talking in dollars saying $100?

She's 19, it appears she doesn't know any better or haven't been anywhere else outside of Bogota to know any better. Wait until she's 21 or she gets a little more experience in working in other places and watch that 100 mil increase or no more BBFS. Or a gringo comes along and offers to take her to Baru or San Andres for a weekend, that's all it takes.

People normally pay according to where they are and the type of girl they get is according to what their budget allows and when the girls are young and inexperienced it's blood in the water.

For example, about a year or so ago I mentioned Isabel in a post trying to charge 800 mil a night one night I was in Delirium. When I first met her on tinder in 2021 she was 400 mil for the night, I didn't take her because I found another girl who was more in shape. It wasn't until after, I discovered the reason why she doubled was because one person decided to try pass her off as a regular girl and interview her throwing a bunch of thirsty ass gringos her way blowing up her head. Now she thinks she's worth that high price because guys blew her head up. Last time I saw her walking in centro she gained more weight but some people like them big and pay the asked price.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF9gKGH1eCo[/URL]

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2902650]Perhaps it was poorly phrased. We are separately fucking her in the casa. Much more romantic that way.

I'm defining GFE as sensual, cuddling, kissing. But it is a casa after all. So maybe I should say GFE lite. Definitely not pornstar experience.

But in Bogota you can pay 200,000 for an even better looking (for me) 19-22 year old university student to come to your apartment or motel for true GFE for 2, 3 or more hours. These are not photoprepagaros girls. I have a few regulars now in the rotation. Personaly I like to balance my regulars out with a few casa girls because the casa doesn't really require much scheduling or planning.

Most of these girls I see won't travel though. Or won't easily because of their school and work schedules. Currently only 1 of mine is willing to. So maybe their prices would get ruined if they started to go to Cartegena.And maybe this lack of ability to travel keeps the pricing down.

I would pay double though for my current experiences. But I just don't need to.[/QUOTE]What I highly dislike about this forum is the time it takes for the Mods to review and approve a post. TBH is is why I prefer the discord and WhatsApp groups instant info.

Your post basically sums up what I replied to this morning about the previous post jajaja.

The chicas inexperience and lack of ability to travel keeps the prices dirt cheap to her geo location. Once they venture out to Cartagena or another gringo comes along and offer more, those dirt prices for premium services will stop.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2902591]Not directly related to cartegena. Its Bogota in Chapinero. But this is a 19 year old that my buddy and I have been fucking GFE BBFS cip for 100 mil in a casa for 30 to 40 minutes. She won't give a face pic. But she's super cute.

This next comment is not meant to be argumentative. But those girls from the posted pictures on this topic from the last few days are super ratchet. I wouldn't fuck them for free with or without a condom. Seriously.

It all goes towards the fact that the rating of 8's, 9's, 10's is meaningless. I would suggest that clearly 1 to 5 is agreed upon to be unfuckable though. But the idea that any of the women in pictures from the last few days would be a woman that you would pay hundreds for and wine/dine on a trip for insane to me. But no judgement. We are all into different woman.[/QUOTE]She looks good bro!

I wouldn't mind skeeting in her pussy as well LOL.

Not bad for 100 mil COP.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2902666]If this chica was to hop on a plane and go to Cartagena. Would she also be doing GFE BBFS for 100 mil for 30 - 40 minutes or would she be instantly talking in dollars saying $100?

She's 19, it appears she doesn't know any better or haven't been anywhere else outside of Bogota to know any better. Wait until she's 21 or she gets a little more experience in working in other places and watch that 100 mil increase or no more BBFS. Or a gringo comes along and offers to take her to Baru or San Andres for a weekend, that's all it takes.[/QUOTE]Exactly. You are comparing apples and oranges. Apples being local and oranges being gringos. It is not that she is worth this or she knows her worth. It is that gringos are going to come along and put prices out of the local equilibrium. In cities where there is no gringo market, you don't get chicks trying to charge 800,000 pesos. They would never get a customer.

It says nothing to how good the chick looks as some gringos want to say. It says everything to who the primary customers in the particular zone are. The girls are not setting any prices as much as the customers are. If no dudes are paying 800,000, then no chicks are trying to charge 800,000.

It is not how folks try to put it in comparison to cars. Ferrari has high research and development costs and the material that they source for their products is not cheap, therefore the prices are higher than a Ford.

All a chick with a pussy needs is bus fare to show up. And half the time she can even suck the taxi driver's dick for a free ride or if met online tell the gringo to be ready to pay the taxi when she arrives. The only factor leading her to charge 800,000 or ask for money in dollars is that the gringos have paid 800,000 or paid in dollars. If not for gringos there would be hardly any chicks around asking for over 100,000 pesos. When it comes to buying pussy overseas, foreigners are their own worst enemy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2902796]Exactly. You are comparing apples and oranges. Apples being local and oranges being gringos. It is not that she is worth this or she knows her worth. It is that gringos are going to come along and put prices out of the local equilibrium. In cities where there is no gringo market, you don't get chicks trying to charge 800,000 pesos. They would never get a customer.

It says nothing to how good the chick looks as some gringos want to say. It says everything to who the primary customers in the particular zone are. The girls are not setting any prices as much as the customers are. If no dudes are paying 800,000, then no chicks are trying to charge 800,000.

It is not how folks try to put it in comparison to cars. Ferrari has high research and development costs and the material that they source for their products is not cheap, therefore the prices are higher than a Ford.

All a chick with a pussy needs is bus fare to show up. And half the time she can even suck the taxi driver's dick for a free ride or if met online tell the gringo to be ready to pay the taxi when she arrives. The only factor leading her to charge 800,000 or ask for money in dollars is that the gringos have paid 800,000 or paid in dollars. If not for gringos there would be hardly any chicks around asking for over 100,000 pesos. When it comes to buying pussy overseas, foreigners are their own worst enemy.[/QUOTE]Exactly. That's why I like going to places like cucuta or Villavicencio even. You get the real unadulterated prices. Something these guys know nothing about.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2902796]Exactly. You are comparing apples and oranges. Apples being local and oranges being gringos. It is not that she is worth this or she knows her worth. It is that gringos are going to come along and put prices out of the local equilibrium. In cities where there is no gringo market, you don't get chicks trying to charge 800,000 pesos. They would never get a customer.

It says nothing to how good the chick looks as some gringos want to say. It says everything to who the primary customers in the particular zone are. The girls are not setting any prices as much as the customers are. If no dudes are paying 800,000, then no chicks are trying to charge 800,000.
[/QUOTE]Takes me back to this post 2 years ago [URL] http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2664834&viewfull=1#post2664834[/URL].

When I met her from Tinder in 2021 it was 400 mil for the night, I tried it once, but couldn't get past the heavy makeup on an older face looking like an Ewok. When I came back in 2022 I saw her in Dolce and she wanted $100 for the hour. I passed.

She got exposed to overpaying gringos and they were flying her out in Mexico. By the start of 2023 some gringo brought her to the NYC area and she is posting all over, Vegas, Montreal, NJ, NYC, etc.

I don't know who brought her here but best of luck to them trying to make a pro a wife.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2902817]Exactly. That's why I like going to places like cucuta or Villavicencio even. You get the real unadulterated prices. Something these guys know nothing about.[/QUOTE]So to my understanding the price of pussy is dirt cheap where there is increased danger of being kidnapped or worse and as soon as increased safety occurs with police presence then more gringos go there and mess up the prices.

I doubt many gringos are going to be trying to do Google translate in A town bordering Venezuela or another off to the side of the capital jajaja.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2902895]

She got exposed to overpaying gringos and they were flying her out in Mexico. By the start of 2023 some gringo brought her to the NYC area and she is posting all over, Vegas, Montreal, NJ, NYC, etc..[/QUOTE]Kinda wack when these places get SIMPed Out.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2902936]So to my understanding the price of pussy is dirt cheap where there is increased danger of being kidnapped or worse and as soon as increased safety occurs with police presence then more gringos go there and mess up the prices.

I doubt many gringos are going to be trying to do Google translate in A town bordering Venezuela or another off to the side of the capital jajaja.[/QUOTE]You may be right although I've never felt unsafe in Cucuta on LA septima or in villao around parque del acha. I spent a week in villa del Rosario, norte de Santander. And even went to La Parada which is where the puente international simón Bolívar is located that connects Colombia to San Antonia de Táchira in Venezuela. I didn't cross it though LOL I just went there to pick up Joselis who was coming from Maracay, Aragua to stay with me at the Airbnb.

Also I don't use Google Translate. I don't need it. And some of these places I'm mentioning it wouldn't be wise to be pulling out your phone all the time anyways.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2902972]Kinda wack when these places get SIMPed Out.[/QUOTE]LOL. But absolutely nothing we can do about it. Why guys don't find normal girlfriends for shit like this instead of hookers I will never understand. Nah I can't go to Italy with you next week because Peter from Germany is taking me to Japan. Nobody is paying me to travel the third week two months from there so I can go then. Sounds weird. I guess I am just not into hookers that much. Or I am more into the old school fucking part of their job versus the new school escorting part of their job.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2900347]You guys are out here arguing about how much to pay a girl for services, but what about ice cream prices? Why does it cost $8-12 for a quart of mediocre ice cream in Colombia? I think if someone can figure out how to sell quality ice cream for cheap they'the have enough money to pay whatever price for whatever service in the world.[/QUOTE]Nice try bud, this was 13,049 COP ($3.35 usd) at D1.

Same quality as thrifty ice cream sold at Rite Aid in the US.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2902936]So to my understanding the price of pussy is dirt cheap where there is increased danger of being kidnapped or worse and as soon as increased safety occurs with police presence then more gringos go there and mess up the prices.

I doubt many gringos are going to be trying to do Google translate in A town bordering Venezuela or another off to the side of the capital jajaja.[/QUOTE]There are some gringos that do go to Cucuta tho. Alot of the girls I know from Cucuta always ask me if I know a guy named Spencer LOL. I'm not sure why they think I would know him because I don't even know who he is but I have repeatedly been asked by multiple girls in Cucuta if I know him.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2902936]So to my understanding the price of pussy is dirt cheap where there is increased danger of being kidnapped or worse and as soon as increased safety occurs with police presence then more gringos go there and mess up the prices.[/QUOTE]It seems the gringo circuit in Medellin does not fit that. There are increased prices AND increased danger at the moment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2903209]It seems the gringo circuit in Medellin does not fit that. There are increased prices AND increased danger at the moment.[/QUOTE]I believe with Medellin the uptick of certain individuals advertising on YouTube what happens there attracted a certain demographic of people that were too loud and that attracted the organized crimes rather than the normal opportunistic ones and what that did was make all demographics targets. It also didn't help that some of these people were first time travelers and did the idiotic thing of watching heavily edited YouTube videos showing all the good things without informing them of the dangers.

An example would be the 2 Asians that were killed, the first one looked like a quiet student who just wanted a tinder date on his first trip and the second one was loud as fuck always in Medellin in the clubs partying with multiple girls. What's amazing is that the government didn't really start doing anything until 2 Asians were killed, when everyone else's killed they immediately labeled them as sex tourists and the comments sections under the articles were crazy.

What's funny was these same YouTubes that hid the dangers and only show the good times are now coming forward telling stories of their past travels to Colombia of them being robbed or had a scary situation because that's what's trending and hitting the algorithm. The same shit they were ashamed to tell people 5 years ago is the same shit they are trying to use as a badge at the end of 2023.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2902324]For the Spanish proficient, vets, guys who stay 10+ days then the long game works in your favor. But it's no long a good plug & play spot. Agencies, prepagos sites, apps are active but not really different than MDE BOG. Edge to Cartagena if you need beach.[/QUOTE]I am planning on spending a week there in mid-April with a girl from a previous date. That is basically the only way I would go there now. The deciding factor for me is the hotel situation and the hassle of finding a place that will let you bring girls back. Last trip I booked at a hotel that was on a "guest-friendly" list, and it wasn't. I ended up hooking up with a Mileroticos chica for the duration because once I listed her as my "second guest" she was the only one I could bring back. Not that I was complaining much, but it's a severe limitation.

My Spanish is good enough to do a Mileroticos date, but I think I am a year away from Cucuta level LOL. For me, (fortunately) prices are down the list of issues with Cartagena. Less availability, less nightlife in Centro, more hassles, and the hotel restrictions are bigger issues for me. I have done the casa thing, and I have done a couple of local incalls in Cartagena, and that just isn't what I am looking for at my age.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2902376] Space got the leftovers who were rejected by Dolce and most of them 4 x T shirt wearing beer belly gringos wasn't trying to take on them stairs. Also didn't help that they didn't own the building and had to pay rent. Reopening as a hookah bar will only put it in competition with Monkey Bar where nobody goes because it's filled with the same type of women men got on planes to get away from. [/QUOTE]Jaja. I've never been to Cartagena but I love the analysis here. I am planning to meet up there with my GF from Medellíand in mid-April. Sounds like a place I would not want to be mongering anyway.

It's Semana Santa, and downtown is festive! They are setting up the structures for the festivals including an awesome food festival later this week. Some families were watching some Easter themed programming on a big screen in the square when I walked by yesterday evening.

And they have returned to being strict. The police are pushing the girls as far from the square as possible at night. I don't think it is affecting much though. The end of this week marks the end of high season for tourism. I think we'll see relaxation of the rules on working women as soon as April.

And the muchachos offering weed or coke have basically disappeared. Haven't been propositioned in two months. Crazy.

[QUOTE=JerseyItalian;2903664]So what are the best clubs to hit in Bogota? I will be making my first trip there in April. I plan to get one way ticket from Medellin this way I can stay or leave when I want. Also do the hotels in Bogota upcharge for having visitors?[/QUOTE]Some are cheaper with less quality and some are better-- all within 2 blocks plus tons of Hot Streety Sweeties-- Have Fun-- Most guys do-- Some Dickheads don't --LOL.

I was just here in Nov. And now heard all the clubs are closing?

I tried to go back 7 pages to find the answer but I can't keep searching for it.

Anyone havea tldr?

[QUOTE=JerseyItalian;2903664]So what are the best clubs to hit in Bogota? I will be making my first trip there in April. I plan to get one way ticket from Medellin this way I can stay or leave when I want. Also do the hotels in Bogota upcharge for having visitors?[/QUOTE]At admin I think this thread needs to be moved across to the Bogotá forum.

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[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2904912]I was just here in Nov. And now heard all the clubs are closing?

I tried to go back 7 pages to find the answer but I can't keep searching for it.

Anyone havea tldr?[/QUOTE]You don't need to read all the posts in this section. You just have to know which members give up to date information and view their post history for this section.

The answer is within those 7 pages.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2902376]

The people of Cartagena wanted this, they wanted their city cleaned up but that means getting rid of certain elements that attracted certain types of people, let them all return to Sosua to get them turkeys walking around in yoga pants jajaja.

I stopped doing the clubs a while back, happy I did, my experience became much better once I got away from certain type of people, especially the ones with volume control problems. Your right, first timers are fucked, not only are they going to get hit in the head for high prices in dollars they have a more limited selection and lost the ability to walk into a club and see a bunch of chicas at once and pick what fits their budget. It's also going to effect those mongers who never maintained communication with past chicas and always believed a new one is right around the corner or they want a new one every night. The ones who have a stable full or connections to friends of friends don't need to worry about 3 clubs, a clocktower and an annoying beach. Specifically making an instagram to keep in touch with all chicas I've come across for the last 5 years was the best thing I've ever done.

I can't wait to see what's it's going to look like once summer hits, let's see how long this new Mayor and the Medellin Mayor can keep this up.[/QUOTE]Good job on the IG record. That was smart. FWIW, my gal loves the mayor. She is thrilled that the clock tower area and the hookers there have been shut down. Apparently, the mayor has set up a hot line to report crimes. I googled and it could not find it.

Remember the Obama Secret Service scandal? A chick has sex with a well muscled secret serviceman and tries to shake him down for $800 and hotel security wrote up the incident and the SS agents got in trouble? Or the one with the monger guy Dubliner on here who had a similar incident where he called the police when the hookers would not leave and the police told him to give the hookers the money? Yeah, I do not think you are going to be seeing the police doing that anymore. At this point, I would actually be in favor of filing police reports as the mayor actually seems to be trying to do something about it versus taking the side of hookers and thieves. It was not too long where I read they had a Cartagena police chief actually involved with the hooker trade.

I am not sure if it is the crime crack down but the number of civilian hotties on the streets has never been higher. Beauties were everywhere.

The pico and placa system that is in place in Bogota to control traffic was implemented in Cartagena. Traffic was way down. It was nice. I am not sure how long that is in effect.

Other new thing was having to take your shoes off at the airport in Colombia with security like in the USA. Not sure why that started now but it is what it is.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2905105]Good job on the IG record. That was smart. FWIW, my gal loves the mayor. She is thrilled that the clock tower area and the hookers there have been shut down. Apparently, the mayor has set up a hot line to report crimes. I googled and it could not find it.

Remember the Obama Secret Service scandal? A chick has sex with a well muscled secret serviceman and tries to shake him down for $800 and hotel security wrote up the incident and the SS agents got in trouble? Or the one with the monger guy Dubliner on here who had a similar incident where he called the police when the hookers would not leave and the police told him to give the hookers the money? Yeah, I do not think you are going to be seeing the police doing that anymore. At this point, I would actually be in favor of filing police reports as the mayor actually seems to be trying to do something about it versus taking the side of hookers and thieves. It was not too long where I read they had a Cartagena police chief actually involved with the hooker trade.

I am not sure if it is the crime crack down but the number of civilian hotties on the streets has never been higher. Beauties were everywhere.

The pico and placa system that is in place in Bogota to control traffic was implemented in Cartagena. Traffic was way down. It was nice. I am not sure how long that is in effect.

Other new thing was having to take your shoes off at the airport in Colombia with security like in the USA. Not sure why that started now but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]I've been here for 2 weeks. I have 1 more week to go. Big fucking mistake on my part. This Holy Week is the worst. Everybody and their dog is out here. After a few days of Cartagena I left with my chica to the Pablo water Park thinking I would get away from certain things, nope. Shit was packed beyond packed.

I got caught up in that shit too getting extorted by the cops where they put the check point going into El Laguito Hotel Caribe. Spoke to other gringos that encountered the same.

Oh about that Dublin12 guy who decided to ignore all the advice and warnings everyone gave him and ended up with constant bad scenarios, he changed his username. Something I've never seen before. But it was one hell of a laugh.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.



I won't bore you with all the problems I had trying to book this, but between my bank, the credit card co, and Colombian bureaucracy, I should have taken the hint, that this was never going to end well.


[/QUOTE]This one is a good read jajaja.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2905238]

This one is a good read jajaja.[/QUOTE]That guy literally did everything wrong LOL. They even stole his groceries LOL these Venecas are fucking scandalous, however he might as well have had 'Papaya' tattooed on his forehead LOL.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2901954]I know it's the same dolce girl, but I'm telling you you will need to get her a plane ticket and take her out of Cartagena, or go to Baru or something, she's not going to do a 1 night or 1 hour with a gringo it's full days and nights staying with the gringo.

I posted a photo for context, how about you tell me if it's the same chica? Jajaj.[/QUOTE]Yo I can't open pictures to see them bigger but the hair looks the same. Anyway I already left Cartagena. Its not how it was when I was there before. Everything is more expensive, hotels, girls, food, activities and club restrictions. Only Space and ISIS was open and hardly had girls. I found a different girl for 500.000 COP an hour who had similar a similar hairstyle. Not the best decision but pickings were slim to none on looks alone.

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2905640]Yo I can't open pictures to see them bigger but the hair looks the same. Anyway I already left Cartagena. Its not how it was when I was there before. Everything is more expensive, hotels, girls, food, activities and club restrictions. Only Space and ISIS was open and hardly had girls. I found a different girl for 500.000 COP an hour who had similar a similar hairstyle. Not the best decision but pickings were slim to none on looks alone.[/QUOTE]Similar hair? Hopefully it wasnt Gaby / Marie. Jajaja.

Just about every youtuber done ran through her, she's all over youtube.

If your able to post pictures then you should be able to open as well, no?

Glad you had fun, and your experience is why I always say make sure the information is current and relevant to what the traveler is trying to do.

So I've only had 3 days total in Cartagena during a 3 week duration, 2 days on arrival and 1 day on departure.

With in those 3 days I can say based on my last 2 trips the new annoyance are "city girls" trying to "turn up". I thought the jordans, beer bellies, yankee fittits mongers were bad but these fuzzy bedroom shoes, triple nose rings, heavy lashes and bright color weaves are on another level. Upon arriving a Latam plane arrived infront of mine and there they were. Loud AF on the immigration line, disorganized when speaking to the the immigration officer, when the porter came to do the whole "bag assistance" thing they got louder, then they couldn't lift the bags to put them on the xray machine and got louder looking in my direction like I'm supposed to help them, I just put my shits on the belt and walked through. I'm outside by the exchange waiting for my chica to pull the car up and they came out and the cute short taxi girl with the glasses tried to get them a taxi and they got loud again, a few other brothers were there, we all looked at each other and just shook our heads.

I'm surprised no one mentioned how they are digging up the streets in Centro, at quick glance looks like they are laying down SDR35, (green sewer drainage pipe) to handle the flooding during the heavy rains. They were digging up the side by Delirium and the other side by the bakery (north of Space). Many areas still fenced off. I didn't stay in El Laguito or Centro as I wanted to avoid certain types of people and annoyances.

Traffic also got a bit more complicated. Looks like they installed new medians behind La Serrezuela Mall to prevent left turns when exiting, I also vaguely remember the same thing down by Getsemani on Calle 30 by the bridge when we were going to Seven 7.

Old news but someone will be oblivious to it. Space is now Omnia, when I was there chicas weren't allowed inside unless with a man. So chicas who knew I was there asked me to come down and let them in so they can work. It was mostly a sausage fest until then.

Upon leaving, I completely forgot to do the ChkMIG and I was not asked for it, I also ignored the Contact Tracing Email Jet Blue wanted me to fill out. They pointed me to the BIOMIG machine instead of a immigration officer, and it took longer because the machine took 3 tries to scan my passport, then I didn't realize I had to get close to the camera. I thought it was supposed to take a picture of my entire face like Global Entry but looks likes it wanted a picture of my eyes.

A good trip besides being there Holy Week, too many damn families and annoying kids. Happy I went away from the gringo tourist areas and checked out the local vacation areas, maybe another time when its not a Colombia holiday because the lines were long for everything.

I don't have any plans on returning to Colombia this year, most of my chicas are now state side and these city girls trying to "turn up" all the time makes any daytime or nighttime activity an embarrassment due to association by default.

Just to be honest I went there only once and I was there for 2 days a Thursday and Friday unless I'm tripping, the indigenous women did not look that attractive they mainly had cheap fake cosmetic BBL's done that did not look appealing at all the Afro Latina women looked more sexy perhaps I went there on a bad day but I noticed dudes was all over these fake body bitches. Where in Columbia do they have nice quality of chicas?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2907157]Old news but someone will be oblivious to it. Space is now Omnia, when I was there chicas weren't allowed inside unless with a man. So chicas who knew I was there asked me to come down and let them in so they can work. It was mostly a sausage fest until then.[/QUOTE]How many girls did they let you bring inside? Did the girls have to stay with you the whole time inside or they were able to work the room with no issues? When you left, did you the girls have to leave with you?

One of my amigas asked me to do this on my next trip but I was skeptical it could be done at all. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=HumpyDumpty11;2907460]How many girls did they let you bring inside? Did the girls have to stay with you the whole time inside or they were able to work the room with no issues? When you left, did you the girls have to leave with you?

One of my amigas asked me to do this on my next trip but I was skeptical it could be done at all. Any info would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I arrived with 2 and got a table. I then brought in 8 more to join my table. I was only there for about an hour but I left the 8 girls there at the table and went to Getsemeni with the 2 girls I arrived with.

I got each girl 2 drinks of their choice before I bounced. Most just wanted a bottle of water.

I would cross Space off the list to sit under some good AC and get girls. A drink is another option but it's a fire hazard. If you thought Delirium was packed and hard to navigate this place is 3 x worse. You will be constantly rubbing up against someone and 9/10 times it will be a beer belly or some sweaty guy with a sweaty washcloth on top of their head.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2907391]Just to be honest I went there only once and I was there for 2 days a Thursday and Friday unless I'm tripping, the indigenous women did not look that attractive they mainly had cheap fake cosmetic BBL's done that did not look appealing at all the Afro Latina women looked more sexy perhaps I went there on a bad day but I noticed dudes was all over these fake body bitches. Where in Columbia do they have nice quality of chicas?[/QUOTE]Allot of these girls change their bodies for their target audience. No one knows what "quality " to you but as I discovered it's better to get the girls as close to 18 as possible. Once many reach around 22 they start to have lots of insecurities by watching other women living fake lifestyles on Instagram that they think is real. Then comes the fat transfers from stomach to their ass and thighs, wearing the faja, excessive makeup and all types of unnecessary shit that don't matter.

The best girls I got were from Tinder, the best ones out of these were Venezuelan, the Colombians were way too entitled and I believe it was because they believed they have home advantage. It's been years and I could do it again I would have focused more on the Venezuelan than the Colombianas they just look more feminine naturally without the need of surgery. That last sentence is 100 percent subjective.

Ok got yah thanks for the tips. Even the ones I met in The DR and Mexico for both nationalities you named had tons of cosmetic surgery done on them. I've been hearing for years that Columbians have fake everything going on I thought the BBLs and breasts will look good on them boy I was wrong I prefer natural over artificial any day.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2908044]Allot of these girls change their bodies for their target audience. No one knows what "quality " to you but as I discovered it's better to get the girls as close to 18 as possible. Once many reach around 22 they start to have lots of insecurities by watching other women living fake lifestyles on Instagram that they think is real. Then comes the fat transfers from stomach to their ass and thighs, wearing the faja, excessive makeup and all types of unnecessary shit that don't matter.

The best girls I got were from Tinder, the best ones out of these were Venezuelan, the Colombians were way too entitled and I believe it was because they believed they have home advantage. It's been years and I could do it again I would have focused more on the Venezuelan than the Colombianas they just look more feminine naturally without the need of surgery. That last sentence is 100 percent subjective.[/QUOTE]

2 days and the streets from 10 pm -3 am in wall city has all what you need. Always scout and negotiate your prices and needs, but as always the Venezuelan chicas offer the best bang for your buck!

Yo bros! Hope everyone is staying cool as there have been rolling blackouts through some neighborhoods this weekend.

I found a lovely part timer on Skokka. Negrita and bajita. Like really short. 20 years old. Kissing and bareback like a girlfriend. 120 k for the hour, but she stayed for two hours and we were going at it a while. She's been a regular the past two weeks or so.

Fun times to be had in the city!

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2910136]Yo bros! Hope everyone is staying cool as there have been rolling blackouts through some neighborhoods this weekend.

I found a lovely part timer on Skokka. Negrita and bajita. Like really short. 20 years old. Kissing and bareback like a girlfriend. 120 k for the hour, but she stayed for two hours and we were going at it a while. She's been a regular the past two weeks or so.

Fun times to be had in the city![/QUOTE]Can you give me a hand or contact number. I searched the app don't find a 20-year-old Negrita but found one, but she is 30.

You can message me with the information that will help. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2907157]these fuzzy bedroom shoes, triple nose rings, heavy lashes and bright color weaves are on another level. Upon arriving a Latam plane arrived infront of mine and there they were. ... and got louder looking in my direction like I'm supposed to help them[/QUOTE]Sound like women of the USA on your flight. Sad.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2910270]Sound like women of the USA on your flight. Sad.[/QUOTE]Thankfully it wasn't my flight. I was on Jet Blue, I saw a few on my flight while boarding but thankfully they sat up front while I got my usual seat in the back of the plane so I can get off faster to get through the immigration line quicker but when I got on the line I was behind the LATAM passengers. The LATAM plane came from ATL.

I'm not sure if you're a part of the WhatsApp groups but there's a funny video going around where some of the Sistas were in Androgeno doing what looks like a sorority dance and the chicas and brothers face expression says it all. (hopefully this site don't auto correct Androgeno to "A Drink" like my previous post).

What ended up happening to Cartagena was certain people opened their mouth and it attracted the crowd who likes to be loud for attention. My post from the end of last year where I got off the boat with my chica and the loud mouth Sistas where doing their shaming shit (where they have a loud conversation about a stranger so the stranger can hear what they are saying to start a confrontation) was enough to let me know to find another city where they they are not. But they are showing the world why so many of us brother are getting on planes to get away from them and experience tranquillity.

Wondering if anyone has rented a car? I usually take the taxis, but then I see an attractive girl on the street who probably would take a poke, and cannot get the taxi driver to stop. I also have picked up some young pretty girls while out walking around, but the temperature is getting hotter. Might be better to pickup a street walker if I had a rental car? Any guidance on this please? Is it expensive? Insurance issues?

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2910602]Wondering if anyone has rented a car? Might be better to pickup a street walker if I had a rental car? Any guidance on this please? Is it expensive? Insurance issues?[/QUOTE]No. But I have have rented a car in Barranquilla to drive to Cartagena for the day. It is just like renting a car anywhere else. The insurance is on my credit card so that is no issue. If staying in the same city I find it pricey at $50 though when I am only paying $2 a pop for Indriver.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2910602]Wondering if anyone has rented a car? I usually take the taxis, but then I see an attractive girl on the street who probably would take a poke, and cannot get the taxi driver to stop. I also have picked up some young pretty girls while out walking around, but the temperature is getting hotter. Might be better to pickup a street walker if I had a rental car? Any guidance on this please? Is it expensive? Insurance issues?[/QUOTE]Price is about $50 a day fully insured, unlimited range.

I've done it twice and regretted it twice. Sure there is good convenience but an Uber is under $3 to anywhere in the tourist area. I've driven all the way to Santa Martha, Barranquilla, Manzanillo, Baru, even all the way out to Motel Indiana and it is nuts! I have zero clue how there aren't more accidents because these people drive so close where bumpers almost touch. The paved roads aren't that great (huge potholes) and if you happen to drive off into areas like La Boquilla those dirt roads are no joke. Potholes everywhere, random people on motorcycles cutting in and out in front of the car, random dogs in the street and the busses don't care. Parking can be an issue unless you're going to shopping centers.

I had other annoyances such as Pico Placa, I was constantly getting pulled over in Centro because I didn't know, and there were speed traps as well. Flooding is another major issue especially in front of Pametto Sunset where the water can reach up to your knees in heavy rains during high tide.

If your focus is that you want to drive around and pick up girls like you're in Miami, Cartagena is not the place to do it, I would suggest get out the cab talk to the girl then take another cab. It's 12.000 to anywhere in the tourist area.

Since we all have our ratings of talent a nice resource on youtube is Prestigious Physiquez, seems the bigger CAR girls walkthru youtubers have backed off filming since the new rule changes, I'm guess demonetization.

Since Dolce closed seems like that tier of Insta models have went to greener pastures. Still plenty of younger all naturals, morenas and indigenous types. Doesn't seem like many guys are spending on the street so there could be leverage in negotiations.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2910827]Since we all have our ratings of talent a nice resource on youtube is Prestigious Physiquez, seems the bigger CAR girls walkthru youtubers have backed off filming since the new rule changes, I'm guess demonetization.

Since Dolce closed seems like that tier of Insta models have went to greener pastures. Still plenty of younger all naturals, morenas and indigenous types. Doesn't seem like many guys are spending on the street so there could be leverage in negotiations.[/QUOTE]This Prestigious Physiquez youtuber started randomly showing up in my recommendations.

They are using old footage and splicing it up to make it look like fresh footage.

If anyone want to call BS on me here is a perfect example:

[URL]https://youtu.be/RQHl4BTZhgo?t=679[/URL]

They are walking by the park Plaza de Bolivar, and only someone who have been to Cartagena recently and walked by that park would know exactly what's wrong with that video.

All I can say based on my observations all of the videos they uploaded saying 2024 is old. If anyone watches it and pay attention they are showing videos of The Clock Tower with no barricades, videos of people going into Delirium and Dolce (which have been closed for over a month), Video of the street which Dolce and Delirium is on with no barricades. I've even chicas I know in their nightlife videos whos been in the US for over a month.

The nightlife videos can be used as a scale to rate chicas but I would not suggest anyone to use the videos as a reference to how Cartagena currently is with the abundance of available chicas.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2910496]Thankfully it wasn't my flight. I was on Jet Blue, I saw a few on my flight while boarding but thankfully they sat up front while I got my usual seat in the back of the plane so I can get off faster to get through the immigration line quicker but when I got on the line I was behind the LATAM passengers. The LATAM plane came from ATL.

I'm not sure if you're a part of the WhatsApp groups but there's a funny video going around where some of the Sistas were in Androgeno doing what looks like a sorority dance and the chicas and brothers face expression says it all. (hopefully this site don't auto correct Androgeno to "A Drink" like my previous post).

What ended up happening to Cartagena was certain people opened their mouth and it attracted the crowd who likes to be loud for attention. My post from the end of last year where I got off the boat with my chica and the loud mouth Sistas where doing their shaming shit (where they have a loud conversation about a stranger so the stranger can hear what they are saying to start a confrontation) was enough to let me know to find another city where they they are not. But they are showing the world why so many of us brother are getting on planes to get away from them and experience tranquillity.[/QUOTE]Yeah, first time I was in Cartagena, and there were some sistas in the elevator talking up all this inexpensive plastic surgery they were getting. There was not even a moderately attractive one in the bunch. I had to bite my tongue. I could not tell if they were in the before or after surgery group. If it was the after group, they should get their money back.

Then I was flying back on Spirit in the big seat (I. E. Their first class). Sista sitting next to me was nice but she travelled around with her friends all over. She said they were part of a "fat girl yoga" group. Well, it was pretty clear that it was like 30 minutes of yoga and hours and hours of drinking and eating.

I do not get the appeal of Cartagena to women but every time I go, I sure see a lot of women on the planes thrilled to be there.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2910602]Wondering if anyone has rented a car? I usually take the taxis, but then I see an attractive girl on the street who probably would take a poke, and cannot get the taxi driver to stop. I also have picked up some young pretty girls while out walking around, but the temperature is getting hotter. Might be better to pickup a street walker if I had a rental car? Any guidance on this please? Is it expensive? Insurance issues?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I would not do it. The roads are so crammed I do not know if you could even stop and pick one up. Sometimes, I will drive a scooter around and you do not need a license to drive an electric scooter / moped. You can weave around traffic and find a place to stop much more easily. Thing is I have been riding one for years and I do not recommend you do this either. It is dangerous, and I am not sure the women would get on a scooter.

It is not a problem renting a car or even driving it. The issue is how shitty the roads are and how crowded Cartagena is and how limited parking is. It is just so much easier to Uber or stop somewhere while getting a cab close to the women you want and track back.

Going out partying in Centro solo with the flashy jewelry. SMH. Sometimes life is the lesson.

I still don't understand why people keep walking around Centro after dark with jewelry but to each their own.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/C6UwRM-AUGR/[/URL]

Hi,

I want to book a mongering holiday to Colombia but everyone advises not to go alone. All my buddies are married or not into mongering. Are there any local expats, members of this forum or organized mongering tours / groups that a single person can join? What are the best options for solo travelers?

Thanks!

Man arrived at 'Las Cariosas' to request a service and the sex worker turned out to be his wife and he assaulted her.

'Quien es, que pase para licuarmelo' according to the man is were the words of the woman without knowing that the client was her husband.

The fact was recorded yesterday afternoon, Thursday, April 25. The man arrived at a place where sexual services are offered in San Jacinto, Bolivar, but he never thought that his beloved wife was in trouble because he was making dinner at home.

When the man saw his partner, out of anger he physically and verbally assaulted her.

[URL]https://instagram.com/cartagenacaliente[/URL]

[QUOTE=UKBadBoy;2912018]I want to book a mongering holiday to Colombia but everyone advises not to go alone. All my buddies are married or not into mongering.[/QUOTE]So go with one of the married ones that is into mongering.

[QUOTE=UKBadBoy;2912018]Hi,

I want to book a mongering holiday to Colombia but everyone advises not to go alone. All my buddies are married or not into mongering. Are there any local expats, members of this forum or organized mongering tours / groups that a single person can join? What are the best options for solo travelers?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Based on your name maybe you're from the UK? I could be wrong but take the below into consideration:

If your coming from the UK, Go to Thailand, skip Latin America.

What's going on right now in Colombia is, a certain demographic of people that were exposed in DR for having sex with underage individuals ran over to Colombia and are now being exposed there for doing the same thing. What's funny is if anyone take the pictures that were released of all the gringos who were exposed for having sex with minors or took the life of a Colombian woman in the last year and put them in a grid line up you will immediately see the elephant in the room that no one wants to address. If you were to take your photo and place it along those individuals and it blends right in I would suggest not making Colombia your first solo trip specifically for sex. Go for something else such as tours or an event and place sex as a secondary objective. (I did similar to myself and realized I needed to avoid certain areas because I blended in with a certain demographic who likes to be loud and obnoxious and didn't want to be perceived as such).

You may want to get everything in order first, such as guest friendly accommodations before even thinking about chicas.

I would suggest Medellin but a few girls send me some videos of what appears to be working girls fighting with police in Parque Llares, I even saw one throw a chair at one of the cops.

There was a poster on here Onfireboy but they come and go. Send them a PM.

The guys in the DR doing under age girls are white older Europeans. Seems you are threatens by black American because most of what are saying is BS. Those who are choosing the Columbia over the DR is because there are more attractive women and better infrastucture. Black men like grown sexy women not under age girls like the Europeans.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2912578]Based on your name maybe you're from the UK? I could be wrong but take the below into consideration:

If your coming from the UK, Go to Thailand, skip Latin America.

What's going on right now in Colombia is, a certain demographic of people that were exposed in DR for having sex with underage individuals ran over to Colombia and are now being exposed there for doing the same thing. What's funny is if anyone take the pictures that were released of all the gringos who were exposed for having sex with minors or took the life of a Colombian woman in the last year and put them in a grid line up you will immediately see the elephant in the room that no one wants to address. If you were to take your photo and place it along those individuals and it blends right in I would suggest not making Colombia your first solo trip specifically for sex. Go for something else such as tours or an event and place sex as a secondary objective. (I did similar to myself and realized I needed to avoid certain areas because I blended in with a certain demographic who likes to be loud and obnoxious and didn't want to be perceived as such).

You may want to get everything in order first, such as guest friendly accommodations before even thinking about chicas.

I would suggest Medellin but a few girls send me some videos of what appears to be working girls fighting with police in Parque Llares, I even saw one throw a chair at one of the cops.

There was a poster on here Onfireboy but they come and go. Send them a PM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;2913630]The guys in the DR doing under age girls are white older Europeans. Seems you are threatens by black American because most of what are saying is BS. Those who are choosing the Columbia over the DR is because there are more attractive women and better infrastucture. Black men like grown sexy women not under age girls like the Europeans.[/QUOTE]LOL. Obviously you did not understand what he said nor did you know he is Black.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2913630]The guys in the DR doing under age girls are white older Europeans. Seems you are threatens by black American because most of what are saying is BS. Those who are choosing the Columbia over the DR is because there are more attractive women and better infrastucture. Black men like grown sexy women not under age girls like the Europeans.[/QUOTE]In my heart I am a black man. Went to inner city schools, remember MLK being shot. Because I grew up in inner city Minneapolis when it had race riots in the 1960's, I was always looked down upon by the suburban kids at church and private school. My skin is white. Once in a while I do have sex with a black sugar baby, but she is not my favorite. Have never been with an underage girl, since I was underage and she introduced me to sex at age 17 while she was only 16. Young girls are not worth the bother. And you are not worth the bother either. You sound like an old man who smokes Kool cigarettes. I remain Humble Hal.

With all the changes which is better for volume mongering at present?

I responded to this guy nypher not humbl hal. Not sure wtf he is talking about Your readng comprehension sucks Hal is white grew up in the hood.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2913634]LOL. Obviously you did not understand what he said nor did you know he is Black.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;2913812]I responded to this guy nypher not humbl hal. Not sure wtf he is talking about[/QUOTE]LOL. As usual you are showing that Old Kool is a typo and an "f" should be in place of the "k". HumbleHal's post is after I told you that the guy that you were responding to (who is NOT HumbleHal) IS Black!

[QUOTE=OldKool;2913630]The guys in the DR doing under age girls are white older Europeans. Seems you are threatens by black American because most of what are saying is BS. Those who are choosing the Columbia over the DR is because there are more attractive women and better infrastucture. Black men like grown sexy women not under age girls like the Europeans.[/QUOTE]I'm a bit confused on what are you calling BS on.

The information I prove on this forum is a collection of what I experience when I travel to Colombia multiple times per year where I stay 2-3 weeks minimum per trip, combined with information received from the WhatsApp groups, discord groups and other news sites.

Can you quote the exact BS parts so I can clarify because there seems to be some miscommunication in what I wrote VS what you read.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2913846]I'm a bit confused on what are you calling BS on.

The information I prove on this forum is a collection of what I experience when I travel to Colombia multiple times per year where I stay 2-3 weeks minimum per trip, combined with information received from the WhatsApp groups, discord groups and other news sites.

Can you quote the exact BS parts so I can clarify because there seems to be some miscommunication in what I wrote VS what you read.[/QUOTE]Big typo.

That was supposed to say "The information I provide", not "prove".

Just had to correct that real quick before there are more misunderstandings.

[QUOTE=TripTaker1;2913810]With all the changes which is better for volume mongering at present?[/QUOTE]It depends on what you're looking for. If you don't say what type of chica you're looking for it would be hard for someone to provide you with suggestions. This is where my previous comment about that YouTube channel Prestigious Physiquez comes into play. Take a look at their nightlife videos and provide a timestamp of the type of chica you consider attractive and perhaps a member can point you to where they gather in mass.

The girls are still in the walled city they are just walking around and cannot stand in groups. They are also still at Playa Hollywood.

The big thing is that many girls left or are doing online only. They don't want to be out there walking around all night since they cannot sit in the clubs under cool AC. Titan24 also hit Playa Hollywood and El Laguito where they are checking IDs for the girls and making sure gringos aren't trying to sneak off with underage girls or the girls have permission to be in the country.

Remember the AirBB rules are also changing so take that into consideration you may not get a chica friendly place and have to spend on short time hotels.

Stay safe out there.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2910836]This Prestigious Physiquez youtuber started randomly showing up in my recommendations.

They are using old footage and splicing it up to make it look like fresh footage.

If anyone want to call BS on me here is a perfect example:

[URL]https://youtu.be/RQHl4BTZhgo?t=679[/URL]

They are walking by the park Plaza de Bolivar, and only someone who have been to Cartagena recently and walked by that park would know exactly what's wrong with that video.

All I can say based on my observations all of the videos they uploaded saying 2024 is old. If anyone watches it and pay attention they are showing videos of The Clock Tower with no barricades, videos of people going into Delirium and Dolce (which have been closed for over a month), Video of the street which Dolce and Delirium is on with no barricades. I've even chicas I know in their nightlife videos whos been in the US for over a month.

The nightlife videos can be used as a scale to rate chicas but I would not suggest anyone to use the videos as a reference to how Cartagena currently is with the abundance of available chicas.[/QUOTE]You are correct, it was helpful when the guy posted accurate videos.

There are still smaller channels who are eager to post recent footage, hard youtube crushes their algorithm hard.

If you're having a shirt visit I feel Cartagenas too much in Flux to choose over MDE or BOG. Unless you really like a beach, have existing girls, or are staying for a long time.

Your implication that black Americans are chasing under age women and were chased out of The DR for this ppractise.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2913846]I'm a bit confused on what are you calling BS on.

The information I prove on this forum is a collection of what I experience when I travel to Colombia multiple times per year where I stay 2-3 weeks minimum per trip, combined with information received from the WhatsApp groups, discord groups and other news sites.

Can you quote the exact BS parts so I can clarify because there seems to be some miscommunication in what I wrote VS what you read.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;2914071]Your implication that black Americans are chasing under age women and were chased out of The DR for this ppractise.[/QUOTE]Ahhh I do not know how you came to that conclusion from my post jajaja.

I suggest rereading my comment, specifically the part about the photos released by the media of those who were caught doing it as I thought that pretty much made my post perfectly clear.

But on a side note I'm puzzled as to why you took the time to incorrectly read my post and respond but didn't take the time to respond to the OP and assist them on their first mongering trip to Colombia?

[QUOTE=OldKool;2914071]Your implication that black Americans are chasing under age women and were chased out of The DR for this ppractise.[/QUOTE]How did he imply that? He is making references to current events. It is obvious that you have not followed the news, because his post references a demographic that has been in the news lately concerning the issue. Don't just jump into a thread making assumptions and accusations without knowing what is going on locally, because you are proving yourself to be loud AND wrong. You owe that man an apology.

So according to the decree Titan24, it's was suppose to last until May 31st. Anyone hearing any ramblings on what will happen after that? I hope it ends and things go back to pre-Titan24 at least for the another year. That's better than nothing.

[QUOTE=HumpyDumpty11;2914439]So according to the decree Titan24, it's was suppose to last until May 31st. Anyone hearing any ramblings on what will happen after that? I hope it ends and things go back to pre-Titan24 at least for the another year. That's better than nothing.[/QUOTE]The 6-month time window is about to expire but then they can put it back into play for another 6 months.

While you may want things to go back to what it was pre Titan24 you may want to ask the locals who live there in Cartagena what they think about outsiders turning their costal city into an open brothel and having these youtubers put it on the internet for the world to see. The locals wanted it clean up so they can enjoy their city, to have outsiders come from other towns and countries to attract undesirables I'm willing to bet the mayor have the support of the locals to extend the decree. Not to mention Titan24 helped crack down on scamming vendors, harassing touts, underage extortion traps, trafficking, illegal vennies robbing on motorcycles and drugging, stealing and disappearing because they are just passing through, also them annoying ass kids that were always in front of Space / Dolce / Delirium begging (now they are at Kiosk #4 in the daytime).

I believe they are going to try push all that mongering stuff outside of the walls and into the neighboring town down to where Pley Club is.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2914093]Ahhh I do not know how you came to that conclusion from my post jajaja.
I suggest rereading my comment, specifically the part about the photos released by the media of those who were caught doing it as I thought that pretty much made my post perfectly clear.
[/QUOTE]You tried to tell your fellow black men to go in a group to protect their image versus on their own when going to Cartagena without saying black men. So you tried not to mention race and got branded a racist. LOL. What do they say? No good deed goes unpunished.

I was thinking about it and you are right Nypher. Every time I go to Cartagena half the flight is filled with American black guys, and I think they are there to get women. I would be a hypocrite if that bothered me, but it is obvious to me why they are going.

On the other hand, I was in Bogota on a food tour, and there were two black lawyers from DC. We got to talking and I asked them why they came to Colombia, and they said the saw the TV show Narcos and fell in love with the countryside and having seen the show, I was like, "Yeah, I get that. Colombia looked beautiful in that show. " So they could have been doing cocaine and women all night long but unlike other guys I have seen and met in Colombia, they did not give off that impression. So what you said made a lot of sense.

Thing that Old Kool said gave me the impression that he thinks racism is less in the USA or does not exist in Colombia, and that got me to thinking too. This is nothing against him. He might not even feel this way. It just made me think. I was trying to get my gal's daughter and her cousin to trash talk me when we were having a pillow face, and they would not do it. They could hit me hard in the face with a pillow but not talk smack.

My Venezuelan ex-fiance tried to tell me that there was no racism in Venezuela. I think the people are more brown there than Colombia, and she said everyone has a distant black relative within them and therefore racism does not exist there. Thing is when I went through her photos there were no black friends, classmates, or neighbors. I have not talked to my current gal about race but I suspect she would say the same thing and once more there are no black friends, neighbors, classmates, or even coworkers in her photo albums either.

I do not have a dog in that fight, but if I cannot get young girls to trash talk me, then I would assume the language of racism would be shunned for sure, but the actions are more important than the words right? So, Nypher, let me ask you this. I don't buy that no racism line in Venezuela and Colombia, do you?

[QUOTE=OldKool;2913630]The guys in the DR doing under age girls are white older Europeans. Seems you are threatens by black American because most of what are saying is BS. Those who are choosing the Columbia over the DR is because there are more attractive women and better infrastucture. Black men like grown sexy women not under age girls like the Europeans.[/QUOTE]According to NCBI, Black communities in many states have a higher rate of child sexual abuse than other non-White communities. For example, in Washington DC, the disparity ratio (DR) for child sexual abuse is 12.77, while the DR for child physical abuse is 15.10.

A study found that 34.1% of Black women in Boston and 65% of Black women in Chicago experienced childhood sexual abuse (CSA). CSA is defined as sexual coercion, rape, or incest before the age of 18. The study found that the nature, severity, and aftermath of CSA are similar across races, but there are some differences, such as the age of onset.

Some research suggests that racism and stereotyping in mainstream society can cause Black communities to fear that reporting child sexual abuse will damage the community's reputation and stigmatize its members. A 2018 article by Bernard and Harris also found that serious case reviews involving Black children often lack professional curiosity about the children's lives, including their cultural, religious, and socio-economic contexts.

Some say that professionals need to recognize culture when creating prevention and education programs for CSA that are accessible to diverse communities. They should also review existing knowledge and present new research in a context-specific, practice-oriented, and theoretically informed way.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2915063]My Venezuelan ex-fiance tried to tell me that there was no racism in Venezuela. I think the people are more brown there than Colombia, and she said everyone has a distant black relative within them and therefore racism does not exist there. Thing is when I went through her photos there were no black friends, classmates, or neighbors. I have not talked to my current gal about race but I suspect she would say the same thing and once more there are no black friends, neighbors, classmates, or even coworkers in her photo albums either.

I don't buy that no racism line in Venezuela and Colombia, do you?[/QUOTE]My ex-girlfriend from Peru who now lives in Australia told me there is no racism in Peru. Unlike the girls you asked, she is Black. On the other hand, anybody in Brazil will tell you how much racism there is there. Yes everyone has an assortment of family members and even friends, but in the corporate or getting a job world things are much different. Before, if you were not in sports or playing someone's maid then you definitely would not be on TV if you were Black. Things have changed just a little bit these days though not much.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2915489]My ex-girlfriend from Peru who now lives in Australia told me there is no racism in Peru. Unlike the girls you asked, she is Black. On the other hand, anybody in Brazil will tell you how much racism there is there. Yes everyone has an assortment of family members and even friends, but in the corporate or getting a job world things are much different. Before, if you were not in sports or playing someone's maid then you definitely would not be on TV if you were Black. Things have changed just a little bit these days though not much.[/QUOTE]I agree with all that. I just always thought of Colombia as in the same racist category as Brazil and Argentina with Argentina probably being the worst. I suspect that the Colombians just hide it better.

ID like to throw my 2 cents on the subject of Colombia racism. According to Google Search, 50% percent of the population is Mestizo, 25% is white (of Spanish descent), 10% is black, the rest is of various ethnic and mixed race groups.

I'm a white Californian- monger. Been coming to Colombia many years, been to Cartegena, Bogota, Medellin, Cali, Pereira etc.

What I see in the upscale areas like the north end of Cali, and especially nice modern shopping malls, that there are a few blacks, some brown skin people, but overwhelmingly white people. Does that mean that Colombians are racist, I don't know but there is income disparity. Its quite obvious.

Many thanks for the continued info everyone contributes. I'll be in town next week and with everything going on in CTG (I. E Walled City barricades) I was wondering what you all think next week will look like as far as clubs / beach / cholon. Will the holiday weekend potentially bring an influx of eye candy?

[QUOTE=WorldWideWes;2916065]Many thanks for the continued info everyone contributes. I'll be in town next week and with everything going on in CTG (I. E Walled City barricades) I was wondering what you all think next week will look like as far as clubs / beach / cholon. Will the holiday weekend potentially bring an influx of eye candy?[/QUOTE]My reply is soley based on the locations you listed "Clubs / Beach / cholon".

You're going on a US holiday weekend so you can already guess who to expect at Clubs / Beach / cholon. If you like your eye candy loud, ratchet, build like a NFL Defensive Lineman or a French Door refrigerator then you will feel right at home. There have been lots of videos circulating in the whatsapp groups about the new wave of female travel groups going to Cartagena and the majority of them have the appearance of Sexy Red, Glorilla, Ice Spice, Sukihana, etc constantly looking for the first opportunity to twerk whereever they are. If that's your "eye candy" then you will feel right at home in the clubs, beach, cholon.

If you're looking for something else, avoid those places during a US holiday weekend. The best time to go is actually right before the holiday weekend because you will be ahead of the incoming uptick of frowned upon behavior, and if arriving directly after a US holiday weekend locals will automatically have a bias towards the newcomer based on their interaction with the previous gringos.

I made the mistake of being there Labor Day weekend. Never again!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2915063]...........

I do not have a dog in that fight, but if I cannot get young girls to trash talk me, then I would assume the language of racism would be shunned for sure, but the actions are more important than the words right? So, Nypher, let me ask you this. I don't buy that no racism line in Venezuela and Colombia, do you?[/QUOTE]In my observations, Colombia hits a bit differently though because they have the Strata classism along with Costeños Vs Paisa and it get even more confusing as when I was at San Andres a few people there said there were San Andren not Colombian or Costeños. I believe both countries have way bigger problems to worry about than skin color so its not so (in your face), they can lose power, water, get robbed, or trafficked at any moment. From the outside looking in I see they are more Nationalist first, then Region, then Strata but that's my observation from the outside and I dare not ask any of my chicas anything about it as I don't want to bring the BS from America into another country.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2915313]According to NCBI, Black communities in many states have a higher rate of child sexual abuse than other non-White communities. For example, in Washington DC, the disparity ratio (DR) for child sexual abuse is 12.77, while the DR for child physical abuse is 15.10.

A study found that 34.1% of Black women in Boston and 65% of Black women in Chicago experienced childhood sexual abuse (CSA). CSA is defined as sexual coercion, rape, or incest before the age of 18. The study found that the nature, severity, and aftermath of CSA are similar across races, but there are some differences, such as the age of onset.

Some research suggests that racism and stereotyping in mainstream society can cause Black communities to fear that reporting child sexual abuse will damage the community's reputation and stigmatize its members. A 2018 article by Bernard and Harris also found that serious case reviews involving Black children often lack professional curiosity about the children's lives, including their cultural, religious, and socio-economic contexts.

Some say that professionals need to recognize culture when creating prevention and education programs for CSA that are accessible to diverse communities. They should also review existing knowledge and present new research in a context-specific, practice-oriented, and theoretically informed way.[/QUOTE]Com on man. Not the strawman argument to nowhere. Jajaja.

Your post is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand which was based on current events on what's happening in Cartagena and Medelin in relation to the new mayors, decrees, and whose been getting caught up with certain type of incidents within the last 12 months.

I understand if you would have pointed the finger at the local Colombian men who are involved in the same exact behavior but its not publicized for the world to see due to national pride as no one wants outsiders trashing their fellow countrymen but damn. You went completely left field with your reply.

Do I need to link the articles from Minuto30, El Colombiano, Politica Heroica, etc because it appears people like to conveniently close their eyes on what's right infront of them and open their mouths to blindly defend the same shit they didn't see.

Seriously jajaja.

Thanks for the advice. I've been to CTG several times but never during a US Holiday weekend so wanted to gauge the temperature prior to arriving. My group and I like to stay under the radar so the attention seeking females is a hard pass. We're definitely going to enjoy ourselves this weekend but the extra drama is not allowed. Happy Mongering to all.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2916272]My reply is soley based on the locations you listed "Clubs / Beach / cholon".

You're going on a US holiday weekend so you can already guess who to expect at Clubs / Beach / cholon. If you like your eye candy loud, ratchet, build like a NFL Defensive Lineman or a French Door refrigerator then you will feel right at home. There have been lots of videos circulating in the whatsapp groups about the new wave of female travel groups going to Cartagena and the majority of them have the appearance of Sexy Red, Glorilla, Ice Spice, Sukihana, etc constantly looking for the first opportunity to twerk whereever they are. If that's your "eye candy" then you will feel right at home in the clubs, beach, cholon.

If you're looking for something else, avoid those places during a US holiday weekend. The best time to go is actually right before the holiday weekend because you will be ahead of the incoming uptick of frowned upon behavior, and if arriving directly after a US holiday weekend locals will automatically have a bias towards the newcomer based on their interaction with the previous gringos.

I made the mistake of being there Labor Day weekend. Never again![/QUOTE]

I've been to Cartagena several times and it's really easy to find girls for sex. There are various bars with prostitutes. There are also girls on the beach who offer massages, and for a little money, they'll agree to have sex. I've even had free sex with women (not prostitutes) I've met in bars. It's really very easy in Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2916276]In my observations, Colombia hits a bit differently though because they have the Strata classism along with Costeos Vs Paisa and it get even more confusing as when I was at San Andres a few people there said there were San Andren not Colombian or Costeos. I believe both countries have way bigger problems to worry about than skin color so its not so (in your face), they can lose power, water, get robbed, or trafficked at any moment. From the outside looking in I see they are more Nationalist first, then Region, then Strata but that's my observation from the outside and I dare not ask any of my chicas anything about it as I don't want to bring the BS from America into another country.[/QUOTE]I am sure if you asked your women most would deny racism exists. And you do not see women in Colombia saying "no African American men" like some escorts in the USA do. I am just trying to get a handle on the culture.

One of the things that surprised me is how closed off the elites have their daughters to sexuality. I saw this movie why tu mama tambien from Mexico and it was arguably the most sexually open main stream movie I ever saw. I have learned that teenagers even boys who are uncomfortable with sex close their eyes when a movie involve graphic sex, but I thought Colombia would be way more open than the USA. Hardly. There are ALL virgins in my gal's daughter's class. With USA girls 15 going on 16 boys tend to dominate conversations but not in Colombia. In fact, my gal's 18 year old niece's face turns beet red when you mention the name of a guy she likes. I would expect that with a 12 year old in the USA.

Gal's daughter and I were watching the movie Gotcha, an underrated 80's comedy, but there is one sex scene in the movie. Now that I know better, I was like, "Close your eyes" when the sex scene came on and forwarded through it. She loved the movie but she might not have if she had seen the sex scene.

Thing is on the racist front, my gal tenses up when we see poor black folks in Colombia more so than those with less skin pigmentation, but I saw no tension when she was around American blacks when we stayed in hotels. I just wanted to be prepared if that issue ever comes up. I guess for now though I will just keep avoiding it. LOL.

Anyone had experience staying in Murano Elite high rise bldg in Bocagrande? (Carr 1 / Calle 11).

The air bnb owner has no issues w / having guest (which I am finding surprising given 90% of listing are explicitly no visitor).

This is for 3 night short stay in late July (first time in CTG) so getting my ducks in a row and gone through 50+ pages of RTFF!

Arrival:

This trip was from Wednesday to Sunday. This was my 5th to CTG and it never disappoints. Coming in Wednesday the Customs line was completely empty. Apparently several flights had already cleared and there were several planes that were diverted due to weather. Anyhow that allowed me quick entry / exit within 5 min. Getting a taxi was a bit harder as the fake Uber drivers were a little bit overly aggressive but I try to remain calm and friendly even in the face of rudeness because being a foreigner there are certain battles I don't want to partake in. Get to the Airbnb, drop bags and head over to this restaurant outside the wall as some of my early arrival amigos were already seated and waiting. After we eat we go do groceries for the Airbnb and then start pregaming for the night.

1st night Andronega:

Layout of club is decent. There really isn't a dance floor unless you stay in the front club but all the action is in the back club. All I can say is we thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. Grabbed several numbers for day game action the next day but I actually came to the club with my current Colombian girl. There is a restaurant inside that serves up some great take home wings. You'll thank me later. After the club we head back to the house and I reintroduce myself to my girl.

Day 2 Day action:

Woke up to our maid cooking breakfast for an army. After we ate we all decided we would head to the beach once the final guys arrive. In all there was a total of 10 of us. Once they arrived our lead for the trip organized a Shuttle Van to head to the beach. We literally had a Shuttle Van everywhere we went which helped cause it held 20 people easy. After grabbing a section we ordered drinks and food and took in the sights. For a lot of the guys it was their first time so they were amazed. After grabbing several more numbers we head back to the Airbnb and I start making some calls to get one to come by before we head out for the night. I had this big booty, slim waist, the cup stallion swing by and I definitely had fun. My cousin decided that he wants to take a trip and I ask her if she's ok with that and she states "of course" with a smirk. Once they get done I make her jump in the shower and I take her for one more spin. After another release I grab her a taxi and jump in the shower to get ready for the evening.

Day 2 Night Andronega:

This time I went to the club without my girl so I was able to move around freely. I could have done the same thing when my girl is around but I don't feel the need to disrespect her in her face. For those who know the game you know what I'm trying to say. Per usual it was jam packed and I was a kid in a candy store. After getting bottle service we sat back and started chatting up the group of girls in the table next to us. There was one chica I spoke to who had fowl breath and I had to ask my friend to talk to her to make sure I wasn't making a mistake of where the smell was coming from. Once he confirmed I politely removed myself from her and went to the restroom. At this time I spotted a girl walking out with exact shape I was looking for. She was around 5'9 and shaped like a coke bottle. I started chatting her up and invited her back to the table. About an HR later we order food from the kitchen and then head back to the house. Getting back to the house was a bit interesting because out of the eight of us who went to the and brought back company three of them were not allowed to stay due to not having proper ID. I really liked this about the Airbnb because it brought a sense of security to the house knowing that everyone is a bit vetted before entering. Either way my guest was able to go in and I had the greatest time. She spoke fairly good English (not great) that I found out that she has a girlfriend. Whether true or not I decided to remind her what she's missing by playing with the other team. Woke up the next morning and same routine commenced. Grabbed her a cab and ate breakfast.

Day 3 Walled City.

After breakfast and talking about the previous evenings escapades we decided to take in the walled city for lunch and sightseeing. We decided to eat at the Mirador. The restaurant food choices were excellent and there was a soccer game playing which is my perfect combo. Good food, drinks, and soccer. After our group paid for our bill the majority wanted to walk around but I was tired and needed to reenergize from the past couple days. This thought didn't last long. As me and one other guy got into a taxi back to the Airbnb I called our tour guide and asked for connects on massage chicas. We hurriedly made an appointment for within the hour at our Airbnb. After arriving back to the house within 45 min the massage therapist arrive. Unfortunately for my partner his therapist couldn't get in due to ID issues. I took mine upstairs and once again it was another session shared. The massage was crap but we all know why you book a massage therapist in CTG. After about 1. 5 HR we showered up and she left.

Day 3 Night.

We decided to go to Marina de Palaiso (Strip Club).

After having dinner at Cuzco de Cartagena we decide to go back home and get ready for the strip club. Words can't express how overwhelming this club was. I'd never been to a club in Colombia so I tried to act like a regular. To begin as we entered they directed us to our table and about 35 chicas stood by to greet each of us personally. After the procession line was through which seemed like it wouldn't end they took our drink orders and commenced to our shots for all of us. I knew better as this was a ploy to get us drunk and then for us to make stupid decisions with cash but I quickly asked for bottles of water for everyone. After about 10 min three chicas with two piece bathing suits on come by and commence to give us dances that end with them wearing nothing. There was no limit to the grinding. We then took in the dance show happening in the middle of the club on the platform over the pool. Two girls begin to dance on one another which ends with one of them grabbing a strap on and jamming it repeatedly in the other girl who seemed to be enjoying all of it. I then grab a beautiful girl that I eyed since walking in and take her to one of the rooms in the back and shared time with. We get done, shower, and head back to the party in the club. The rest of my guys were either getting ready to go in the back or just getting back with me. All in all it was a great night.

Day 4 Boat Party "Cholon".

I instructed my Colombian girl to meet me at the Dock by 10:30 and surprisingly she was on time with another friend which was helpful because one of our guys was without a girl. We reserved a Yacht with (3) bedrooms inside. I definitely made use of it as I took my girl down there before we made it to Cholon. For a party of 20+ people you definitely didn't feel cramped on this boat. I played DJ for about 45 min and the staff had us tipsy by 12:00 pm. After arriving we had to get on a smaller boat to take us to land. The atmosphere was electric as you had plenty of partygoers out. I thought due to the cloud coverage it may damper the experience but rain never came down and the cloud coverage was better than the sun beaming down on us. A group of females from the US saw us and started to chat us up and you could tell they were ready to risk it all. They actually came to Cholon with a group of guys and wanted to leave them to hang with us. I gave them the false confidence that we would meet later but I knew that wasn't going to happen as I was with my girl for today. After the party we headed back to the boat me and my girl partied with the others and staff. After 30 min we head downstairs and commence to do what we do and sleep until we arrive back to Cartagena. After grabbing a taxi back to the Airbnb I send my girl home to get ready for dinner later that evening.

Day 4 Night.

Me and (1) other guy and his girl decide to go have dinner at Oudres which is an upscale restaurant inside the walled city. After 10 min of arriving my girl pulls up. She never ceases to amaze me with her natural beauty and skill for dressing for the moment. After dinner and dancing I pick up the tab and we head back to the Airbnb. My girl wants to meet up with friends to celebrate a birthday which may or may not be true but I know the game and knowing that we we were headed to the strip club again I didn't want to bring sand to that beach. We agree to meet later and off she went. The strip club was again amazing and I chose a different chica to head to the private room. After a shower and more drinks we went back home and like we agreed my girl arrived within (5) min of our arrival.

Day 5 Departure.

After breakfast and packing we headed to airport and wished CTG a tearful goodbye.

I must say with such a large group (10) there was no infighting and no one was penny pinching which I was afraid of. As far as my girl I've known her for about a year now and from the beginning she's never charged me a daily rate. I don't send anything monthly but we chat every now and then. I genuinely thinks she just likes the vibe I bring and the people I surround myself with. I'm sure she's charging crazy prices to someone out there but I'm not the guy. I do bless her but she plays a great job at not wanting it but wanting a relationship that I know I will never give her. Sorry but I'm not crazy to think this could ever be a real thing. I'm a professional at this and have been traveling for almost 20 yrs. All in all it was a good trip and I got a good talk on my score sheet.

[QUOTE=WorldWideWes;2919492]I'm a professional at this and have been traveling for almost 20 yrs. All in all it was a good trip and I got a good talk on my score sheet.[/QUOTE]Great report on the things you did, but do you have any prices to go along with any of it? My cousin is celebrating his birthday there next month with a big group and I would like to let him know what kind of prices to expect. Shuttle van, boat, girls, etc. How did you arrange the van? They are all staying in a 6 BR airbnb for 5 days. I am only staying 2 days before moving on to other cities so I will just grab a hotel or something.

The group I went with was three collective groups put together. The Airbnb we stayed in was in Manga. It was 10 rooms 11 bathrooms pool and 24 HR security. I paid $390. The lead guy who organized the trip has been to CTG more times than I can count and setup the shuttle with someone he met on a previous trip and has brought business to them. Every time we utilized it which was to the beach, dinner, and clubs we paid $75 round trip. When split between all of us we never paid more than $6-10 depending on how many people went. The boat to Cholon was $225 per person. We each brought two bottles of alcohol. For groceries on the first day which lasted us about three days the 7 at the time paid $26 per. For girls I try and deal in local currency. For my Colombian girl I didn't bless her until the last day and I gave her 1 million pesos which is about $400. This is after multiple sessions, a boat trip, and dinner / club. I know I'm renting her time so I didn't feel like this was too much. Others might feel different. The massage was 360,000 pesos for 1 HR which is about $90. We went for 1.5 hrs and I gave her 400,000 pesos which is about $100. For every other girl I blessed them with 250,000 pesos which is about $70. This is for all night sessions and MSOG.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2919567]Great report on the things you did, but do you have any prices to go along with any of it? My cousin is celebrating his birthday there next month with a big group and I would like to let him know what kind of prices to expect. Shuttle van, boat, girls, etc. How did you arrange the van? They are all staying in a 6 BR airbnb for 5 days. I am only staying 2 days before moving on to other cities so I will just grab a hotel or something.[/QUOTE]

Hi everyone,

Little background info: My first time in Colombia, but I've been to South East Asia a billion times. Spanish Beginner Level. I can pass for Latin (lookswise). Today was actually my first full day, arrived yesterday in the afternoon. I woke up and decided to walk around Centro, after a few hours I was so tired and sweaty that I took an Uber to Playa Marbella. I find an umberella and two chairs and pay 30,000 COP. Pretty soon the massage lady shows up and gave me a decent but not great massage for 20 minutes 30,000 COP (of course I bargain and she wanted to stop after 15 minutes before I intervened).

Now here's the fun part. Right next to me is a group of chicas in their early twenties. For the first two hours they leave me alone. I noticed they were all very cute but I never make the first move. I then go for a swim to wash off the massage oil and as I get further into the shore all three are catching my attention. I quickly noticed they were smiling at me and I approached them and said "Que Tal. " I start talking with them and we have a pleasant conversation albiet with lots of sign language and Spanglish on my part. One of the three is the cutest and has the lighter skin which I prefer. I quickly start isolating her so the other two get the message. I tell her about myself. Later after a long talk I go back to sit down since it was getting hard to communicate. I tell her to join me.

As I am sitting back in my spot, her entourage starts talking to me and asking about me. I tell them I was talking to one of their friends and I would like to have dinner with her. One of her friends a young Colombian male asks me what I want. I tell him I am only a tourist so I am not looking for anything serious, I really just want sex. He understands completely and tells me I will go call her to come and talk to you. She comes back and we use Google Translate to communicate. I tell her I would like to take her back to my place but only if my Airbnb Host allows it. She at first asked me to come to her place at her sister's house. I told her I didn't feel safe. She agrees to go get cleaned up at her sister's place and then come and meet me at my apartment.

I say adios to her and her entourage. When I get to my Airbnb my host says it's forbidden to invite guests. I later tell her about the girl. She laughs a lot and says she is probably going to rob you. I tell her but she is so young and looks so innocent and her family / entourage didn't give off a criminal vibe. She tells me a lot of chicas in Marbella are working girls. And she wants to sleep with you for money. I tell her that's okay with me, I am just worried that if I did go back to her place (since my apartment is forbidden to have guests) I am looking at getting into some major trouble. Also I could just have taken her to a one hour motel.

So I decide it's not worth it to even eat dinner with her, since I barely know her, it's my first time in Colombia, my spanish sucks, and I am probably biting more than I can chew.

But goddamn she was cute.

It's too bad there is so much to fear and worry about. I find the woman in Colombia miles hotter than Asians. Conversley in Asia you have zero safety issues. I wish there was a place with a happy medium. So I guess my question is if you were in my shoes what would you differently?

[QUOTE=WorldWideWes;2919492]
I don't send anything monthly but we chat every now and then. I genuinely thinks she just likes the vibe I bring and the people I surround myself with. I'm sure she's charging crazy prices to someone out there but I'm not the guy. I do bless her but she plays a great job at not wanting it but wanting a relationship that I know I will never give her. Sorry but I'm not crazy to think this could ever be a real thing. I'm a professional at this and have been traveling for almost 20 yrs.[/QUOTE]Wes, I am in my place in Cartagena now. Gal just made me dinner. Before that, she rubbed my feet. Before that, she came to the airport to meet me like usual and ran into my arms smiling and this is no novelty we have been together for 3 years now. Her most common request is not one for money but that we spend time together. We have been apart more than usual and besides the sex, she tells me that she cannot sleep well when I am not around. It is not a made up tale. I know when she is awake because we still video chat every night.

Look, you would not be with a woman who was not good in bed, and she would not be with a man who was not financially set. The question is if all she cares about is money, and it does not sound like she is. More importantly, you admire things about her that are not related to sexual skill.

I think that is the problem with being a monger. You are conditioned to hooker and john behavior so much so that when there is a time a woman really likes you, you think it has to be about money. I am not telling you what to do. I just hate that you are so resolved to saying it could never work when I thought the same thing with my current gal.

The plusses of a relationship is you no longer have to hide your ways which is one of those burdens on you that you do not appreciate until it is gone. There is security versus novelty, dependability versus sporadic behavior. The emotions in the monger game are going to be higher and lower no doubt. And then there is real versus paid companionship.

Thing is I enjoyed myself so much in the monger world that even though I have this amazing woman, it is only a little bit better that that world, and I think my gal knows it. Kids are nature's trick to anchor a man, and I am done with full time parenting.

Look, I am not telling you what to do. You just make it seem like it is not a choice, and from what you have described and what I know of Colombian women, it is a choice. What you choose to do is your business.

[QUOTE=RabbidDog;2919832]

It's too bad there is so much to fear and worry about. I find the woman in Colombia miles hotter than Asians. Conversley in Asia you have zero safety issues. I wish there was a place with a happy medium. So I guess my question is if you were in my shoes what would you differently?[/QUOTE]I mean you easily could've just went to a short term hotel, there's plenty of them and like $10 for a few hours. If you were so paranoid you could've taken exact change and left any kind of card at home.

Or just get out of Cartagena all together. The hotels / AirBnBs are way too expensive for a developing country with very medicore beaches and oppressively hot weather, and they're super restrictive. In other parts of Colombia you won't have so many problems bringing guests. Also you're a bigger target in places like Cartagena since the locals basically want to rip you off everywhere you go. You really need to get a good grasp of Spanish if you love it there because they'll eat you alive otherwise.

Just had a Venezuelana quote me $150 DOLLARS for an hour of her precious time in Cartagena. She's only been there for about 4 months and already caught on to the fact that there's busloads of idiots coming from Miami every weekend to pay that much. If they start talking in dollars, immediately give up. Not worth it.

[QUOTE=RabbidDog;2919832]When I get to my Airbnb my host says it's forbidden to invite guests. I later tell her about the girl. She laughs a lot and says she is probably going to rob you. I tell her but she is so young and looks so innocent and her family / entourage didn't give off a criminal vibe.[/QUOTE]She is not old and looks so innocent, yet she is willing to go with a stranger that does not even speak her language? Come on man. Didn't give off a criminial vibe? It is not like the dudes getting drugged and robbed are meeting chicks that have a ski mask on and a gun out. Do you think Bernie Madoff gave off a criminal vibe when he ripped off over 40,000 people for $65 billion? I think southeast Asia has lulled you into complacency. Mongering is still street shit and carries all the risks of street shit. I know some places like here in Pattaya make it look like a harmless party, but it is really not that way in most places.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2920042]

Just had a Venezuelana quote me $150 DOLLARS for an hour of her precious time in Cartagena. She's only been there for about 4 months and already caught on to the fact that there's busloads of idiots coming from Miami every weekend to pay that much. If they start talking in dollars, immediately give up. Not worth it.[/QUOTE]The good ole days are gone. Got to roll with the punches, recalibrate and adopt. Nothing last forever.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2920042]
Just had a Venezuelana quote me $150 DOLLARS for an hour of her precious time in Cartagena. She's only been there for about 4 months and already caught on to the fact that there's busloads of idiots coming from Miami every weekend to pay that much. If they start talking in dollars, immediately give up. Not worth it.[/QUOTE]If you don't look like gringo, just tell them you don't have USD and already exchange your local money to COP. Don't be telling these women you're from the US in the first place, they don't need to know that shit. Just tell them a different nationality. Worked fine with me all the time as I look Asian. Always negotiate in pesos or move on.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2920042]I mean you easily could've just went to a short term hotel, there's plenty of them and like $10 for a few hours. If you were so paranoid you could've taken exact change and left any kind of card at home.

Or just get out of Cartagena all together. The hotels / AirBnBs are way too expensive for a developing country with very medicore beaches and oppressively hot weather, and they're super restrictive. In other parts of Colombia you won't have so many problems bringing guests. Also you're a bigger target in places like Cartagena since the locals basically want to rip you off everywhere you go. You really need to get a good grasp of Spanish if you love it there because they'll eat you alive otherwise.

Just had a Venezuelana quote me $150 DOLLARS for an hour of her precious time in Cartagena. She's only been there for about 4 months and already caught on to the fact that there's busloads of idiots coming from Miami every weekend to pay that much. If they start talking in dollars, immediately give up. Not worth it.[/QUOTE]I wish she was advertising herself as a hooker and would offer to take me to a showtime hotel. But our encounter was in the presence of her friends and family. This being my third day in Colombia, I didn't want to disrespect her by offering her money for sex, 10 minutes after meeting her at the beach of all places. Are you saying that had I made this proposal? She would've probably accepted? I mean, keep in mind, We're both in swimsuit attire.

At the moment, I'm in San Andreas. Obviously, not here for mongering just to relax. I'm going to Bogota next. Since I am completely a newbie would you suggest a stick to the Casas? I did some research and found out about a few. The one that stuck out is Tanya. Thanks for your advice.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2919849]...my current gal...[/QUOTE]What's your monthly / yearly expense for her?

Anyone left out of cartegena recently that can comment? Did you get they stamp your passport or did they add the bio MG checkout?

I want an exit stamp so I am curious.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2921460]Anyone left out of cartegena recently that can comment? Did you get they stamp your passport or did they add the bio MG checkout?

I want an exit stamp so I am curious.[/QUOTE]In April they directed me to the BioMIG.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2907157&viewfull=1#post2907157[/URL]

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2920042].......

Just had a Venezuelana quote me $150 DOLLARS for an hour of her precious time in Cartagena. She's only been there for about 4 months and already caught on to the fact that there's busloads of idiots coming from Miami every weekend to pay that much. If they start talking in dollars, immediately give up. Not worth it.[/QUOTE]Allot of these non Colombians talking in dollars are just there for a few months. They have to get money together quickly in order to go through the jungle and all of them countries before things change at the southern border.

The problem with this is that now there are a bunch of Migrants coming through the south border and going to major cities like Chicago, Philly, New York, Maimi, Houston, etc and they are flooding the market with pussy and pushing out them old used up ratchet looking girls.

The tension is insane, and some shit is going to go down by the end of 2024 with these new girls coming in and the old ones. Just watch.

[QUOTE=WorldWideWes;2919492]Arrival:

....
I must say with such a large group (10) there was no infighting and no one was penny pinching which I was afraid of. As far as my girl I've known her for about a year now and from the beginning she's never charged me a daily rate. I don't send anything monthly but we chat every now and then. I genuinely thinks she just likes the vibe I bring and the people I surround myself with. I'm sure she's charging crazy prices to someone out there but I'm not the guy. I do bless her but she plays a great job at not wanting it but wanting a relationship that I know I will never give her. Sorry but I'm not crazy to think this could ever be a real thing. I'm a professional at this and have been traveling for almost 20 yrs. All in all it was a good trip and I got a good talk on my score sheet.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a good time, to each their own I guess.

Your report listed quite a few reasons why I don't go to these places on US holiday weekends and why I don't stay in Cartagena anymore.

If they proceed to shut down Cholon down, I'm waiting to see where they will push the behavior they don't want in their country to.

[QUOTE=RabbidDog;2920638]I wish she was advertising herself as a hooker and would offer to take me to a showtime hotel. But our encounter was in the presence of her friends and family. This being my third day in Colombia, I didn't want to disrespect her by offering her money for sex, 10 minutes after meeting her at the beach of all places. Are you saying that had I made this proposal? She would've probably accepted? I mean, keep in mind, We're both in swimsuit attire.

At the moment, I'm in San Andreas. Obviously, not here for mongering just to relax. I'm going to Bogota next. Since I am completely a newbie would you suggest a stick to the Casas? I did some research and found out about a few. The one that stuck out is Tanya. Thanks for your advice.[/QUOTE]When making the offer just ask her to come back to your hotel for some drinks. She will know what you mean and ask you how much will you pay her.

When they have been working girls for a while they will always ask how much will you pay.

The new girls won't say much until the gringo bring up the topic of sex.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2921470]The tension is insane, and some shit is going to go down by the end of 2024 with these new girls coming in and the old ones. Just watch.[/QUOTE]Some years back shit went down in Peru the same way. It was the Ecuadorians and Colombians that had come in and were charging less.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2921708]Some years back shit went down in Peru the same way. It was the Ecuadorians and Colombians that had come in and were charging less.[/QUOTE]Prices must have been crazy high back then to come in and undercut because right now its crazy low jajaja.

One of my Venezuelan chicas already got beat up and robbed because she was working that strip solo over in East New York by the Cube Smart. She said 3 men in wigs came up to her, beat her up and took her purse and phone. A few weeks later she saw the same men in wigs and realized they were women working the same street and wasn't getting customers. She stopped going because she was scared they would do it again, I felt sorry for her, she a tiny little thing, so I told her about a few online sites she can advertise and just do outcalls to a motel and she's doing good now.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2921764]Prices must have been crazy high back then to come in and undercut because right now its crazy low jajaja.[/QUOTE]Hell they were already low from our perspective. The old chicks were charging like $30 and the new foreign chicks came in charging like $20 was what one hooker that was interviewed said. That chick really put the 2 on the 10 though, trying to make it seem they were earning more money than they really were. I used to go there and the reality was that the old chicks were actually charging $15 and the new ones were charging $10. They were literally protesting. That shit was on the news and everything. They eventually had to come throw the Colombians and Ecuadorians out of the country because those hoes were not having it.

"When they want an hour it is S / 120, but they are desperate to make money and they even charge 80 soles an hour. There are foreigners who come as tourists and ruin the square because they are giftless," explained one of the promoters of the protest.

"The police stormed the well-known brothel 'El trocadero' in Callao, where they intervened 115 foreign prostitutes, including Ecuadorians, Colombians and Venezuelans, who were illegally in Peru and who will be expelled to their countries in the next few hours. ".

[URL]https://enlinea.pe/2010/08/03/prostitutas-de-el-trocadero-expulsan-a-extranjeras-y-una-revela-detalles-de-las-visitas-de-kouri/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RabbidDog;2919832]Hi everyone,

So I decide it's not worth it to even eat dinner with her, since I barely know her, it's my first time in Colombia, my spanish sucks, and I am probably biting more than I can chew.

But goddamn she was cute.

It's too bad there is so much to fear and worry about. I find the woman in Colombia miles hotter than Asians. Conversley in Asia you have zero safety issues. I wish there was a place with a happy medium. So I guess my question is if you were in my shoes what would you differently?[/QUOTE]Let me get this right, you gave up on a girl you liked because you couldn't take her to your place to fuck only after meeting her for few hours? And also bc you were afraid of her place? And the story ends? LMAO. This is either a troll post or you sound like a teenager. I know you're not going to be offended bc this sounds like it's 100% made up. Even a blind dog has more game than this, seriously bro.

First, just cause some of us travel for pussy, doesn't mean we should disrespect women and treat them like disposable sex objects. The initial thought of taking her to dinner was correct, or for a drink, or you couldve said that only cause you know real men do this and you just pretended. Because if you truly respected her and wanted to dine her first, then why gave up if you couldn't take her to your hotel? Your interest in a woman, a non hooker is to treat her with respect and try to truly get to know her, regardless of whether or not she sleeps with you on first night. In fact sometimes I wish they don't, cause that's when I'll respect them as a normal woman that's not a ho where we can build a real friendship or relationship. And if she's a wg, then no need for games, dinner, or BS. Lots of 1 HR or short term motels where you can take her. If you gave up in that instance it's just laziness and little boy mentality with no money or game tht need to stay back home if you can play that. Seriously bro, this is lame AF if was real. But I don't believe your that slow.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;2915852]ID like to throw my 2 cents on the subject of Colombia racism. According to Google Search, 50% percent of the population is Mestizo, 25% is white (of Spanish descent), 10% is black, the rest is of various ethnic and mixed race groups.

I'm a white Californian- monger. Been coming to Colombia many years, been to Cartegena, Bogota, Medellin, Cali, Pereira etc.

What I see in the upscale areas like the north end of Cali, and especially nice modern shopping malls, that there are a few blacks, some brown skin people, but overwhelmingly white people. Does that mean that Colombians are racist, I don't know but there is income disparity. Its quite obvious.[/QUOTE]I was shocked to learn that nearly 40% of Colombians are negro. Most of them from that heritage come from either the Valle del Cauca or Bolívar departments. While the common term is Latino to refer to ethnicity, many of the remainder are mulatto, and sometimes you can see a difference in someone's skin tone between their torso and the rest of their body. No one I know from Colombia has ever brought up the topic of racism, thought I'm sure to some extent it exist in virtually every country around the world. I have met Colombians with skin lighter than my own, yet their accent sounds the same as everyone else from their own region.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;2922040]No one I know from Colombia has ever brought up the topic of racism, thought I'm sure to some extent it exist in virtually every country around the world.[/QUOTE]Short answer is I just asked one of my chicks in Santa Marta and she said, "I have not seen it. You know Colombia. How have you felt here?

I have known her over 10 years (longer but actually do not know how many exactly). Only 2 months ago I realized she is Black. It was her mom's birthday and she sent me pictures of her mom and dad at the party. I had seen pictures of her mom before but never her dad. He is a Black guy.

(Side note: I know many people on this board are caught up on age. Her mom is older than her dad. Her mom turned 73 and her dad is 71. Back in January I had an Uber tour guide in the Boyacá area who was 65 and his wife was in her 80's. He was 30 when they got married.).

Then last month there was some kind of Africa day or week or whatever. She is an elementary school teacher and she sent me some pictures of her and some the female students who were obviously of African heritage dressed up in African garb. Then she sent me a picture of her in her house in front of a print or painting of a lady of African heritage wearing African garb. We had never talked about anything like this before. I guess we don't really care about that kind of stuff.

As you said, nobody brings up racism and I have been going to Colombia for 19 years. The only time I have heard the word out of someone's mouth is my ex-girlfriend who is from Cartagena, but lives in Bogota. She once described herself to me as being White as snow. Her second child is with a Black guy. She said she does not like her dad because he is racist. Well she loves her dad, but she does not like that he is racist.

I am in Peru now with my girl from Venezuela. Last night we came in from watching Planet of the Apes and I asked her to tell me about racism in her country. She started off by saying the Haitians bla, bla. I cut her off and said no. Tell me about racism between Venezuelans. Then she started talking about different states not liking each other. Then I said no not that either. Then she started with gays bla. I said nooo. Tell me about racism having to do with people's color. She said oh we don't have any of that shit. People are all mixed up and people's family and friends are all mixed up, so what would be the point? How would you decide who to be racist against?

I said yes but Brazil is the same way, yet they have racism. She thinks that is more of a regional thing though. As I have said before, the racism is Brazil is mostly institutionalized like when it comes to getting a job and shit, but it doesn't really exist on a social level.

Elvis was saying before that he had asked people from Venezuela and Colombia about racism. They said it was not a thing, but they are White. To that point with my examples above, there seems to just not be enough racist people in Colombia and Venezuela for it to make a difference or for anybody of whatever heritage to even give it a thought, thereby making it almost nonexistent.

My girl started her period last night right before we got to the movies. When we got back to the apartment I told her to open her mouth to have a look. I told her that I wanted to make sure there was no blood in there. She didn't give it a thought. We just woke up and she was telling me about her stomach hurting. I said well as long as your mouth is not hurting. She said yeah what was that last night you were saying about blood in my mouth? I said because this dick is still going to need to be sucked! She said loco! She is in the bathroom now laughing about that shit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922154] ...nobody brings up racism and I have been going to Colombia for 19 years. The only time I have heard the word out of someone's mouth is my ex-girlfriend who is from Cartagena, but lives in Bogota. She once described herself to me as being White as snow.[/QUOTE]My parents adopted an Asian girl when I was young, so I can claim to come from an interracial family. Have been going to mostly Cali, Colombia since 1990, then mostly Medellin and Cartagena since 2002. My 20-year woman in relationship from Mde would not date black guys. But most guys from the US and other English-speaking countries are simply looking for an attractive girl for sex and do not care about reproducing children of one race or another, nor about living with or marrying the women they have sex with, it's only a short sex vacation.

Been in the Dominican Republic since 1995 when I worked there, and they are the most racist, everyone wants to have lighter skinned children. Probably from Haiti being on their border.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922154]
Elvis was saying before that he had asked people from Venezuela and Colombia about racism. They said it was not a thing, but they are White. To that point with my examples above, there seems to just not be enough racist people in Colombia and Venezuela for it to make a difference or for anybody of whatever heritage to even give it a thought, thereby making it almost nonexistent.[/QUOTE]I like the story. It is funny this came up after Colombia kicked the USA's ass in soccer in a friendly 5 to 1. My gal's family were making fun of me and the USA, and I joked and said they were racist. They said they were not and my gal denied their being any racism as any PC Colombian would do. Her daughter told me a different story. Apparently, some of her friend's parents were making fun of the poorer less well kept black people. I do not think this has anything to do with American blacks who travel and are spending money but with the locals. So yeah, it seems racism is there. It is just hidden and sounds like it is more among the old than the young, but it is there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922154]Short answer is I just asked one of my chicks in Santa Marta and she said, "I have not seen it. You know Colombia. How have you felt here?

I have known her over 10 years (longer but actually do not know how many exactly). Only 2 months ago I realized she is Black. It was her mom's birthday and she sent me pictures of her mom and dad at the party. I had seen pictures of her mom before but never her dad. He is a Black guy.
------[/QUOTE]This whole racism stuff mostly comes from developed countries where they have solved all the major environmental problems or health problems, so they have to create new problems to serve as distraction to everyday people.

These countries that arent as developed have way bigger problems to worry about than skin color. They are more Nationalist first, then region, the Strata. My girl in Colombia is from the coast but looks white, her mom is black like my completion, when we go to Medellin and she's not next to me she's treated normal until she speaks and they hear her dialect, all of a sudden she's treated differently because she's Castano, and not a Paisa, but I'm treated well because they see me as American, not Black American, or African American, just American. Then when I come next to her and the realize were together, they treat her accordingly with respect because she's with an American. It gets even funnier when I speak with my original accent, and they think I'm from Jamaica but when I pronounce certain words in English they think I'm from Inglaterra. JAJAJA.

Some people minds don't adapt to certain things well when they grow up in an environment that conditioned them to be and think a certain way as they believe the whole world thinks and is the same way they were taught.

I'm guessing many people who go to Cartagena don't know what Cartegena was back in the 1800's and never bothered to do a cultural day tour because all they focused on is a Clock tower, 3 clubs, and a beach.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922025]
First, just cause some of us travel for pussy, doesn't mean we should disrespect women and treat them like disposable sex objects. [/QUOTE]Isn't that the point? They are our disposable sex objects.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2923098]Isn't that the point? They are our disposable sex objects.[/QUOTE]How would they treat you if they didn't need the money? Hell, how do some of them still treat you even though you are giving them money? Is there honor among thieves?

I would say each case is different. You can not treat every hooker like something really went wrong in their life and they are only doing this to buy medicine for a sick family member. You also can not treat every hooker like they have tried to drug you and steal your shit. Proceed with caution.

My Colombian friend told me hot black or mulata girls can be found in Cartagena. Are there plenty of hot black or mulata working girls in Cartagena? No street walkers or lower end dirty cheap options please. I am trying to find the higher end of the black or mulata girls market. What club or casa would I be more likely to find this?

[QUOTE=Aristhotle;2923385]My Colombian friend told me hot black or mulata girls can be found in Cartagena. Are there plenty of hot black or mulata working girls in Cartagena? No street walkers or lower end dirty cheap options please. I am trying to find the higher end of the black or mulata girls market. What club or casa would I be more likely to find this?[/QUOTE]Your colombian friend TOLD you but did they SHOW you? Big difference. If I were you, I would go back to that friend and tell them to show you these girls and make your own opinion if they were the "hot black or mulata" girls you are looking for.

Are the dark sking girls there? Yes I know plenty, the problem is (for me, of the ones I know) the older they got the more they changed their bodies to attract a certain demographic. Now at the age of 23 -28 many of them are walking around looking like they are wearing a diaper full of shit. If that's how you like them then hop in a cab and go out to the hood (travel at your own risk) to the club Androgeno. If you want a better chance of them before they started making enhancements, try Tinder and cut the age off at around 26.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2923389]Are the dark sking girls there? Yes I know plenty, the problem is (for me, of the ones I know) the older they got the more they changed their bodies to attract a certain demographic. Now at the age of 23 -28 many of them are walking around looking like they are wearing a diaper full of shit. If that's how you like them then hop in a cab and go out to the hood (travel at your own risk) to the club Androgeno.[/QUOTE]From what I see that club is a regular discoteca, not a strip club or higher end brothel. I speak perfect spanish so I can get around. But I am looking for working girls, not girls who aren't prostitutes. Attractive Colombian girls for the most part (who aren't working as prostitutes) don't do hookup culture. Their hearts and vaginas are nationalist for the most part, LOL.

I might try tinder but I am more looking for a strip club, casa, or a brothel on the higher-medium to higher end where these black girls might be around.

Whether that means they have some surgeries or are natural, I don't care. Where are the better looking black working girls at in Cartagena?

[QUOTE=Aristhotle;2923417]From what I see that club is a regular discoteca, not a strip club or higher end brothel.[/QUOTE]Ok. Just saw more videos on Androgeno. I see some working girls are in there but the place is not officially a brothel. But the girls look averages and driving there at night is dangerous. It looks like street walkers are going there. Where else are there prostitute black girls in Cartagena? Not street walkers.

[QUOTE=Aristhotle;2923385]My Colombian friend told me hot black or mulata girls can be found in Cartagena. Are there plenty of hot black or mulata working girls in Cartagena? No street walkers or lower end dirty cheap options please. I am trying to find the higher end of the black or mulata girls market. What club or casa would I be more likely to find this?[/QUOTE]If that's what you want then you should go to Cali, Colombia. In my my experience, the black, mulatto and mixed chicas in Cali got Cartagena beat all day long!

[QUOTE=Aristhotle;2923417]From what I see that club is a regular discoteca, not a strip club or higher end brothel. I speak perfect spanish so I can get around. But I am looking for working girls, not girls who aren't prostitutes. Attractive Colombian girls for the most part (who aren't working as prostitutes) don't do hookup culture. Their hearts and vaginas are nationalist for the most part, LOL.

I might try tinder but I am more looking for a strip club, casa, or a brothel on the higher-medium to higher end where these black girls might be around.

Whether that means they have some surgeries or are natural, I don't care. Where are the better looking black working girls at in Cartagena?[/QUOTE]To be honest, you might have a better chance of finding what you are looking for in Cali. I heard there are more darker skin, pretty girls there. Can't say if they are regular girls or pros, but that city has an abundance of darker skinned girls.

And to honest, you have no idea if a girl is regular or selling pussy unless you are there living with her. And even that you may not even know. I have met the regulars who claim to be good and they are not. They are selling ass. The mindset is if he is ain't there to see it, especially if he is not in the country, deny deny deny that you are selling ass. In my opinion, I'the rather think that every girl is selling ass one way or another, that way there is no let downs when you really find out she is.

Most of the AirBnB options in the walled seem to prohibit visitors, particularly overnight visitors. I travel with a friend and we encountered this prohibition from landlords when in Havana, Cuba. Do any of you know of AirBnB units inside the wall that allow guests? A rather well-documented YouTube video offered quite a bit of insight into Cartagena. In the video, the host recommended renting AirBnB units with security guards at the door; however, the reviews on AirBnB seem to indicate security guards at the door prohibit visitors. Overnight visitors won't be an issue.

The videos on Caragena make it appear as though this is overwhelmingly a young person's game, so perhaps another city is better for us. Thanks for any insights.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2923828]Most of the AirBnB options in the walled seem to prohibit visitors, particularly overnight visitors. I travel with a friend and we encountered this prohibition from landlords when in Havana, Cuba. Do any of you know of AirBnB units inside the wall that allow guests? A rather well-documented YouTube video offered quite a bit of insight into Cartagena. In the video, the host recommended renting AirBnB units with security guards at the door; however, the reviews on AirBnB seem to indicate security guards at the door prohibit visitors. Overnight visitors won't be an issue.

The videos on Caragena make it appear as though this is overwhelmingly a young person's game, so perhaps another city is better for us. Thanks for any insights.[/QUOTE]I knew plenty but I opened my mouth trying to help others and the wrong people got the information and fucked it all up by causing problems. Arguing with girls not wanting to pay them, police coming to the property, breaking things, playing loud music past 10 PM, etc. Everything in the San Diego area is done for new comers (area by La Serrezuela shopping mall). Now the rules changed for new comers, not for me though.

Unfortunately you will have to do the leg work. Contact the hosts and ask questions to find out if it's guest friendly.

Get a hotel that charges a fee per guest.

Use short stay hotels.

As al alternative, if the location only have security at night, then do your chica activities in the day time when they are not there.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2923922]I knew plenty but I opened my mouth trying to help others and the wrong people got the information and fucked it all up by causing problems.[/QUOTE]We all learn the hard way on this site. Can't share everything.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2923441]If that's what you want then you should go to Cali, Colombia. In my my experience, the black, mulatto and mixed chicas in Cali got Cartagena beat all day long![/QUOTE]It's looking like that is the play. Thank you.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2923828]Most of the AirBnB options in the walled seem to prohibit visitors, particularly overnight visitors. I travel with a friend and we encountered this prohibition from landlords when in Havana, Cuba. Do any of you know of AirBnB units inside the wall that allow guests? A rather well-documented YouTube video offered quite a bit of insight into Cartagena. In the video, the host recommended renting AirBnB units with security guards at the door; however, the reviews on AirBnB seem to indicate security guards at the door prohibit visitors. Overnight visitors won't be an issue.

The videos on Caragena make it appear as though this is overwhelmingly a young person's game, so perhaps another city is better for us. Thanks for any insights.[/QUOTE]Ethnic Thematic was great for me, basically an Airbnb in practice even though it's dormitory style in how close you are to other rooms. But it's self check in, and the room quality was fair for price. I was paying $40 ish a night, and brought back 4 girls a day with zero issue. No security desk, but there is a service desk that you don't even pass if you have an entry way room. Plus it's keyboard access with cameras.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2924208]We all learn the hard way on this site. Can't share everything.[/QUOTE]I definitely learned and understand why gatekeeping information is important. Allot of newcomers won't be able to experience the freedom I had with properties due to a selective few messing it up for everyone, the same way I missed out on the experience it back in the early 2000's with Boca Chica and Sosua.

What's even more funny is that certain behaviors I was reporting on seeing 2-3 years ago and people were sweeping it under the rug and dismissing it are now reporting seeing the same exact things jajaja.

Examples:

When the guy left my chicas friend with the bill [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2752187&viewfull=1#post2752187[/URL] Now last week I saw on youtube another guy tried to walk out on a bill in Medellin and got beat up in Parque Llares (Some saying he was over charged, others saying he didn't have money).

When I spoke about controlling our own image as travelers as it effects the next person [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2827102&viewfull=1#post2827102[/URL] . Now it snowballed into "go home gringo" signs and propaganda in Medellin making people think everyone is going to Colombia for minors.

When I talked about flying girls out and it was dismissed [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2850551&viewfull=1#post2850551[/URL] Now they doing the same thing, looks like Mexico is the poor mans fly out option and too boring and as all the girls been there to Isla Mujers. Now they want trans-Atlantic flights so they can flex on social media so its all Europe going forward.

And the one that have me laughing the most was when I said how Zoom was messing up Pattaya by bring that type of ATL / Sosua behavior over there. Now after he created the climate, hes complaining about the weather because he didn't attract business minded people who want to build, he attracted the ones who should have never been allowed to step foot outside their city.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2924435]What's even more funny is that certain behaviors I was reporting on seeing 2-3 years ago and people were sweeping it under the rug and dismissing it are now reporting seeing the same exact things jajaja.

When I talked about flying girls out and it was dismissed [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2850551&viewfull=1#post2850551[/URL] Now they doing the same thing, looks like Mexico is the poor mans fly out option and too boring and as all the girls been there to Isla Mujers. Now they want trans-Atlantic flights so they can flex on social media so its all Europe going forward.[/QUOTE]This really puts to shame guys that want a nice hotel room for the hookers to enjoy. I say mf they have probably been to that hotel 300 times and are on a name basis with all the staff. You are showing them nothing new or exciting. From what you say, looks like those guys better up the ante to flying them to Europe if they are trying to impress them.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2924435]And the one that have me laughing the most was when I said how Zoom was messing up Pattaya by bring that type of ATL / Sosua behavior over there. Now after he created the climate, hes complaining about the weather because he didn't attract business minded people who want to build, he attracted the ones who should have never been allowed to step foot outside their city.[/QUOTE]Guess he shit the bed on that one. He should have learned more of the culture before inviting people to do something that he had not done himself anyway. In Thailand there is a saying: "If you want to make a small fortune in Thailand, then start with a large one. ".

I have seen them come and seen them go. But like I said before, everyone has to learn on their own. My boy bought some dresses on Amazon and brought them over to sell to chicks for $20. He sold not 1. I said don't see see these motorbike stores riding around selling dresses for $3? What makes you think you can sell one for $20? These people are not rich.

Matter of fact, whenever I think about buying something from Amazon I check the site we buy stuff from in Thailand (Lazada), because it is usually the exact same thing at one-third the price. Save those business ideas for where you come from. When you travel, just do it to enjoy yourself.

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Guys, please be safe in Cartagena. A bad respiratory virus has been tearing through the city over the past month. I had it with a bad fever for a few weeks.

[QUOTE=Questner;2407773]Is Mery Salence is still in rental business? I rented from her in the past too, just can't recall what has been since.[/QUOTE]I was wondering the same thing, last I rented from her was 2018 and she wasn't in the best of health. She was looking quite frail. I recently sent her an email but did not receive a reply. I am wondering if she is still alive. Does anyone have any info on that?

[QUOTE=Sylvester;2929104]I was wondering the same thing, last I rented from her was 2018 and she wasn't in the best of health. She was looking quite frail. I recently sent her an email but did not receive a reply. I am wondering if she is still alive. Does anyone have any info on that?[/QUOTE]See your message box.

Hi everyone,

I'll be visiting Cartagena. Are there any agencies or any tips picking women up? Places to go would be great. Thank you for reading!

[QUOTE=Questner;2407773]Is Mery Salence is still in rental business? I rented from her in the past too, just can't recall what has been since.[/QUOTE]Mery died 1 or 2 years ago.

[QUOTE=Breakline10;2930256]Mery died 1 or 2 years ago.[/QUOTE]Well that explains why she has not responded. She was my goto rental agent, used her for years, never an issue. I will miss her.

[QUOTE=OldParr;2929132]Send a message / email to Juan Ventura as he would know, and I am sure would not mind responding to your question.[/QUOTE]Anyone have his email address?

[QUOTE=Sylvester;2931586]Anyone have his email address?[/QUOTE][EMAIL]ittscol@hotmail.com[/EMAIL] ,

[QUOTE=Breakline10;2930256]Mery died 1 or 2 years ago.[/QUOTE]Her husband lives at Mirador del Laguito, if you want to meet and talk.

I rented via Airbnb last February.

Be aware also Mirador del Laguito changed their guest policy!

I was really disappointed. I know the place for over 10 years.

With all the clubs in the center closed, I feel it is not worth to visit Carta anylonger.

The good old days are gone, I miss Electra, etc.

Cartagena lost its "spice".

Running around the streets at night to find girls is ridiculous.

Cartagena wants Disney an Cruise tourism. .

Got here yesterday. 15,000 Indriver from the airport to Oz Luxury in Laguito where I am staying. My girl that lives here brought her daughter and we went to the beach. You can not walk 5 feet around this place without somebody trying to sell you something or wanting money from you. The kid wanted to go to McDonald's so we took her there. While we were ordering on the computer some lady comes up to me and said I am hungry too. Can you buy me something. I said bich please. Well I did not really say that. I just shook my head no.

My twin cousins are celebrating their birthday. There are 7 of us in the group. I do not miss traveling with a bunch of people. I am used to doing what I want when I want. It takes 5 minutes for us to just cross the street because people's attention is focused on different things. Two guys are getting numbers from hookers, while one guy is trying to buy a beer, another guy is at a food cart, somebody else is looking at souvenirs, and someone else is listening to a tout trying to rip them off.

We were at the clock tower last night and a lady named Shirley was actually giving the real price of the all day island boat tour with lunch included. She said 140,000. I said wow that is too much. Then she knocked it down and said okay 120,000 each person. Meanwhile another 2 people in our group was talking to a tout that was trying to rent us a boat for 2,800,000 pesos. I said man are you out of your mind. He said it is only $700 and you can do what you want on it. He said what do you want it for $20 each? I said yes. He called us cheap and one person in the group said he heard him call us the and word. I said I have no idea. I really stopped listening when I heard $700. Hell, I was in the Navy. I am not impressed by boats.

They were interested in drinking so we stopped in at a restaurant / bar called Texas. Walking there, every 5 feet someone was stopping trying to get the contact of a hooker. They wanted to keep drinking but I told them we needed to leave and hit some spots.

The Indriver on the way to the clock tower gave us a list: Tentaciones, Chicas Lindas, Travesuras, Paraiso del Marino. I cross-check it with the Cartagena Lists thread and also google searched. Indriver guy asked us if we had exact change. The price from Laguito to clock tower was 14,000 pesos. I said man how are you going to be driving and not have change. He said that he just started. He only had 10,000 pesos. He is an engineer and just got off work from his day job.

First place I chose was La Sucursal. We called 2 more Indrivers to go there from the clock tower. 12,000 pesos and 10 minutes away. While waiting for Indriver somebody decided they needed to buy a Corona from one of the vendors. I do not know what the communication was but they understood it would be 5,000 pesos. After the guy handed him the beer he wanted 20,000 pesos. So maybe the guy was saying $5? My cousin told him to just give the beer back. Well the vendor had already opened it. He raised bloody hell. He was cursing us out in Spanish and finally just poured the beer out when he realized it was not going to get paid for.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2932836] While we were ordering on the computer some lady comes up to me and said I am hungry too. Can you buy me something.[/QUOTE]Happens to me frequently when I get coffee at a gas station in a ghetto area of the city I live in the USA.

This morning a minority lady asked me for some food inside the store and I told her to ask the store manager, manager said he was not in charge of the store.

Jesus Christ said when his disciples criticized Mary Magdalene for placing expensive perfume on his feet, "There will be Poor always, struggling, look at the good things you've got!

So we arrived at La Sucursal, except it was not La Sucursal. The driver claimed it was though. But it said Pley Club. I could see neon lights up in the distance to where the address I actually put in Indriver led to. And we had 2 Indrivers so one group of guys had already arrived. I told my cousins let's walk up to the other place. Yes. That place was La Surcusal. But we did not see the other guys there, so my cousins went back to Pley Club to check while I did the recon in La Surcusal.

There were about 10 girls. I took a look at the menu and asked one girl how much she wanted. She said 300,000. That is when I decided to leave and see what the guys were doing in Pley Club.

On my way down the street, they were coming back to get me. So they did a you turn and we went back in where the other fellas were and pulled up another table. I asked one chick how much she wanted and she said 450,000 for 30 minutes. These chicks were better than La Sucursal and the ambiance was better as well. I ordered a Gatorade which set me back $20,000 as can be seen in the Pley Club menu attached. What the fuck. The other guys still had the Indriver guy with them. We were there at least 2 hours.

Once during that time all the girls came over and introduced themselves to each of us individually, then they went back to sitting down looking bored. 1 chick also did a strip show during that time. She was dancing on all of us and when she finished, one of the guys gave her $20. I said man don't do that shit! That is why the place is fucked up now. I explained to them about how in some places when the girl finishes the show she comes around and people give her 2,000 pesos. It is all a learning experience for guys that don't know though.

I was ready to go check another place out but finally one guy decided to take a chick. After he took her, then some of the other chicks came over sitting on each of our laps socializing. A couple of the guys bought them drinks (appeared to be something like Smirnoff Ice) at 60,000 pesos.

One of my cousins swear his chick told him 200,000 and she is his all night. I said man I think you are hearing things. All of them were using that Google Translate. Another of my cousins speaks a bit of Spanish. Besides him and me, it was all GT for the rest of the guys.

I think my cousin that thought the girl said 200,000 went to the bathroom and I pulled his girl over on me asking how much she wanted. She told me 450,000 for 30 minutes or all night for 1,250,000. So when my cousin came back I told him maybe the chick is saying you have to pay the place 200,000 for her to leave with you and still did not tell you how much you have to give her. But he swears that was not the case.

Other prices guys got from girls was 250,000 and 350,000. All the time we were there there were no other guys. I told my crew that if you walk into a place and look around and there are no Colombians then you are about to get fucked and not in a good way. And especially since all the while we were there it was alllll American hip hop played. There were 25 girls in all and I don't see how they can be making a living if the place is empty.

The guy that took the chick was taking so long that we thought he must have fell asleep in the room. I did not find out until later, but another one of the guys even paid 450,000 peso for the Indriver guy to get laid. Said it was his first time getting some pussy in 8 months.

I told the Indriver guy let's head to a place geared towards Colombians. The other guy finally came out of the room and we went outside. The Indriver guy was calling another one of his taxi friends to come take us. The first Indriver guy was actually a yellow taxi by the way. I asked a taxi parked in front with Pley Club stickers on his car about taking us to Chicas Lindas. He said 10,000 pesos. But the Indriver guy said the place up the street is Chicas Lindas. But that is fucking La Sucursal! So maybe it was Chicas Lindas before and changed names was all I could think.

While waiting for the Indriver's taxi friend we went across the street where people were selling meat filled arepas for 15,000. It was a mix of beef, chicken, salchicha, and chicharron. I had barebecue sauce on mine too. That shit was so damn good. Finally the other guy showed up and we were off on a wild ride to god knows where.

When we pulled up and the smoke cleared, I could see we were at another place on the list: Travesuras. I walked in first like I owned the place. First chick I saw I went up to her and asked how much. She said 180,000. I told her that is too much. She dropped down to 150,000 for 50 minutes. I said we might have a deal. The other fellas came in and we went upstairs and put 2 tables together. We looked at the menu and ordered our drinks. Drinks here were half the price of Pley Club and there was nothing but loud ass reggaeton being played. I knew we were in the right place. There were also 2 separate Colombians with 1 girl each drinking and shit with them.

I ordered a Gatorade for 10,000. All the other guys ordered water. Except one of my cousins who ordered a half bottle of rum. When it came we all took shots, except his twin who was beat from the long day and all the other drinking he had done. He was ordering drinks 2 and 3 at a time at the other places. All he wanted to do was sleep now. So he went off by himself to sleep. That half bottle went quick so my cousin ordered a full bottle this time.

I had called the chick over that I talked to earlier. I asked her what she wanted to drink and she said Budweiser for 18,000 pesos I was trying to talk her into one the the cheaper Aguila Lights for 12,000, but she would not go for it. Come to find out she is Venezuelan. All the chicks are Venezuelan and live at the club. I asked her how much for all night and she said 700,000. I decided to take her upstairs. We get up there and I hand the lady in charge 150,000. She said that was not enough. Huh? We had a deal. The chick told me to kick in another 50,000 and we could go. I said fuck that then went back downstairs. I told the other guys what happened. One said man that girl is fine as fuck. Only $61? You should get her. I am just so used to the 80,000 in those type places in Bogota and Medellin. So I decided to go back up with her. This time I handed her 180. Now they are saying it has to be 250. Man fuck this bullshit. I went back downstairs for good.

We start getting ready to go. For some reason one of the guys is pouring the rest of the rum into an empty coke bottle. I said man we can take the bottle with us. He paid for it. Just then come to find out there is a free dance included when you buy a bottle. The waiter cleared the tables out of the way and arranged the chairs in a circle. We sat down and chick came over with a black dildo and did her thing. She was dancing on all of us and getting guys to hold the dildo like it was their dick, while she sucked it. Eventually she had all her lingerie off and was putting the dildo inside of herself. It was still a great way to end the night. My cousin ended up spending 335,000 for what was a total 1 liter of rum.

We got back to where they were staying (Miami Luxury Apartments and Hotel for the guys that are looking for a girl friendly place). Hell I already said that I stayed at Oz Luxury Hotel and that is girl friendly too. In each place the girl has to provide ID and they write the shit down and stuff. I asked our driver how much we owed him and he said to ask his friend. That is when I found out my boy had spent $110 to get him a girl at the club so he did not want to give him anything else. So our taxi guy finally said he wanted 100,000. I did not argue. I gave him 50,000 and my cousin who bought the rum gave him 50,000. That is when we found out he had videoed the girl dancing in Travesuras. I had him send me a copy of the video then I walked to my hotel. It was 2 am.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933167]So we arrived at La Sucursal, except it was not La Sucursal. The driver claimed it was though. But it said Pley Club. I could see neon lights up in the distance to where the address I actually put in Indriver led to. And we had 2 Indrivers so one group of guys had already arrived. I told my cousins let's walk up to the other place. Yes. That place was La Surcusal. But we did not see the other guys there, so my cousins went back to Pley Club to check while I did the recon in La Surcusal.

There were about 10 girls. I took a look at the menu and asked one girl how much she wanted. She said 300,000. That is when I decided to leave and see what the guys were doing in Pley Club.

On my way down the street, they were coming back to get me. So they did a you turn and we went back in where the other fellas were and pulled up another table. I asked one chick how much she wanted and she said 450,000 for 30 minutes. These chicks were better than La Sucursal and the ambiance was better as well. I ordered a Gatorade which set me back $20,000 as can be seen in the Pley Club menu attached. What the fuck. The other guys still had the Indriver guy with them. We were there at least 2 hours.

Once during that time all the girls came over and introduced themselves to each of us individually, then they went back to sitting down looking bored. 1 chick also did a strip show during that time. She was dancing on all of us and when she finished, one of the guys gave her $20. I said man don't do that shit! That is why the place is fucked up now. I explained to them about how in some places when the girl finishes the show she comes around and people give her 2,000 pesos. It is all a learning experience for guys that don't know though.

I was ready to go check another place out but finally one guy decided to take a chick. After he took her, then some of the other chicks came over sitting on each of our laps socializing. A couple of the guys bought them drinks (appeared to be something like Smirnoff Ice) at 60,000 pesos.

One of my cousins swear his chick told him 200,000 and she is his all night. I said man I think you are hearing things. All of them were using that Google Translate. Another of my cousins speaks a bit of Spanish. Besides him and me, it was all GT for the rest of the guys.

I think my cousin that thought the girl said 200,000 went to the bathroom and I pulled his girl over on me asking how much she wanted. She told me 450,000 for 30 minutes or all night for 1,250,000. So when my cousin came back I told him maybe the chick is saying you have to pay the place 200,000 for her to leave with you and still did not tell you how much you have to give her. But he swears that was not the case.

Other prices guys got from girls was 250,000 and 350,000. All the time we were there there were no other guys. I told my crew that if you walk into a place and look around and there are no Colombians then you are about to get fucked and not in a good way. And especially since all the while we were there it was alllll American hip hop played. There were 25 girls in all and I don't see how they can be making a living if the place is empty.

The guy that took the chick was taking so long that we thought he must have fell asleep in the room. I did not find out until later, but another one of the guys even paid 450,000 peso for the Indriver guy to get laid. Said it was his first time getting some pussy in 8 months.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing.

I am so glad that I discovered other places besides Cartagena, Medellin and Bogota.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933167]So we arrived at La Sucursal, except it was not La Sucursal. The driver claimed it was though. But it said Pley Club. I could see neon lights up in the distance to where the address I actually put in Indriver led to. And we had 2 Indrivers so one group of guys had already arrived. I told my cousins let's walk up to the other place. Yes. That place was La Surcusal. But we did not see the other guys there, so my cousins went back to Pley Club to check while I did the recon in La Surcusal.[/QUOTE]I just got back from Europe, and after I read a report like this, a very good one, and another about how much women wanted from seeking, I have come to the same conclusion, Colombia is done. When I first went to Colombia and went to Santa Fe, I remember hooking up with a girl for like $10 and she was cute and nice, not that great in bed but cheap. I had no idea what to pay the women from seeking and used the escort scales and was giving them between $80 and a $100 back then and they probably in hindsight they would have been happy with less. Now I am hearing guys being quoted between $400 and $1000 an hour. One guy said it makes more sense for him to play in that USA market now. That is fucked up.

When I was in Spain, it was obvious to me that the Spanish people are not having as many children and the South Americans are filling in the gaps. A tour guide living in Spain was bragging about making $15,000 a year which was 3 X more than he would be making in Colombia. This reinforced to me the notion that Europe was more expensive to me than South and Latin America and that my marking off Europe as a mongering destination was smart.

Thing about Europe is that it pummels you if you are not prepared. We had two nonalcoholic drinks near the center of an Italian town and got hit with a $30 bill. I did not want to chance a train to the airport and did Uber instead. It was $200 versus $40. You can fly anywhere in Europe dirt cheap but if you make last minute plans, the fares can go from $30 to $300, and the train fares can do likewise. There is a learning curve.

A 2 miles Uber trip that cost $5 in Cartagena cost $30 in Europe. So after being burned a few times, I got out on the lime app rented an e-bike or scooter, and it was $5 for the same trip and fun. With time, I would have learned the trains, subways, and busses, and they probably would have been even cheaper.

And while they are $15 nonalcoholic cocktails, on a trip to the local European version of Walmart, Carrefour, I spotted bottles of wine for $1. 50. Maybe you can find that in Walmart but I have not seen it. The midlevel hotels, the Holiday Inn and Hampton Inns, were double that of Cartagena but I found Airbnbs in nice locales that could be had for what a midlevel hotel in Cartagena costs of similar quality.

In summary, that whole concept of Europe being expensive vanished. It can be affordable if you know what you are doing and plan correctly. You can do a trip and have the same costs in Europe as Colombia. I did not see any difference with the price of restaurant meals. And the hooker prices now are in the same league and you can find plenty of Latinas in Europe.

Then there is the travel. If you fly NYC to Bogota, that is a five hour flight. I flew from NYC to the Azores in Portugal on Azores airlines. That is a five hour flight too. From the Azores, you can get to most places in Europe in 3 hours. Yes, the flight time is less than if you go to to Cartagena through Florida but when I go to Cartagena and come back, it is in the 7 to 10 hour range which is the same as getting to much of Europe with Azores. I looked for the cheapest one way fares on Azores to Europe and found one for $297. That is only $100 more than the cheapest fares I ever have found to Colombia.

So now I was like what is really worse about Europe, and once I saw how Europe could be done, the only true negative is the jet lag.

But then there are the positives. The roads are great. The food is better and healthier. The places are cleaner and safer. You can go to the beaches and not get harassed. While Spain, Portugal, and Italy are not the economic stars in Europe, the infrastructure is light years ahead of Colombia. And you do not have to deal with the sex trafficking sneering.

Yes, Colombia is an upgrade over the USA in terms of the women, but for me, that was always more Medellin than anywhere else. It has been rare for me to see a bevy of beauties in Cartagena, and Bogota has hot women but the weather and the clothes needed to be worn distract from seeing the potential beauty. Still, Colombia has the USA beat but think about that difference in looks. Now multiply that difference by two and you have how much better looking the women were in Southern Europe compared to Colombia. Yes, really.

And it is hard finding a spinner in Colombia. They got the fuller, bigger, harder asses. Maybe the gut pooches out more than the attractive European with the flat abs and smaller butts. The USA women have gotten so much bigger we do not see that as much now though. In Southern Europe though, they are all over the damned place. Only place you could find more are in Asia but these women blow their Asian counterparts away looks wise.

Maybe the notoriously cold European attitude would be reason to be stay away but I did not see that much particularly among the Spanish and Portuguese, and there are Latinas there anyway. I did not talk to the women in Italy but I suspected many of the hotties were not from there. They did not look Italian.

So thanks for the report Mr. E, but like with the other reports, my take is why should anyone outside of those living in South Florida look to go to Colombia now? Maybe if people quit coming to Colombia in the numbers they are, it will go back to what it was.

Travesuras Night Club. Bar, Dg. 31 #54-127 Segundo Piso, El Rubí, Cartagena de Indias (mapped by Google). Ask the driver to take you to Bomba El Amparo area. This is a local spot for years. There should be couple of other clubs along Travesuras. Pley Club on the other hand is for cruise ship folks.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933294]I just got back from Europe, and after I read a report like this, a very good one, and another about how much women wanted from seeking, I have come to the same conclusion, Colombia is done. When I first went to Colombia and went to Santa Fe, I remember hooking up with a girl for like $10 and she was cute and nice, not that great in bed but cheap. I had no idea what to pay the women from seeking and used the escort scales and was giving them between $80 and a $100 back then and they probably in hindsight they would have been happy with less. Now I am hearing guys being quoted between $400 and $1000 an hour. One guy said it makes more sense for him to play in that USA market now. That is fucked up.

When I was in Spain, it was obvious to me that the Spanish people are not having as many children and the South Americans are filling in the gaps. A tour guide living in Spain was bragging about making $15,000 a year which was 3 X more than he would be making in Colombia. This reinforced to me the notion that Europe was more expensive to me than South and Latin America and that my marking off Europe as a mongering destination was smart.

Thing about Europe is that it pummels you if you are not prepared. We had two nonalcoholic drinks near the center of an Italian town and got hit with a $30 bill. I did not want to chance a train to the airport and did Uber instead. It was $200 versus $40. You can fly anywhere in Europe dirt cheap but if you make last minute plans, the fares can go from $30 to $300, and the train fares can do likewise. There is a learning curve.

A 2 miles Uber trip that cost $5 in Cartagena cost $30 in Europe. So after being burned a few times, I got out on the lime app rented an e-bike or scooter, and it was $5 for the same trip and fun. With time, I would have learned the trains, subways, and busses, and they probably would have been even cheaper.

And while they are $15 nonalcoholic cocktails, on a trip to the local European version of Walmart, Carrefour, I spotted bottles of wine for $1. 50. Maybe you can find that in Walmart but I have not seen it. The midlevel hotels, the Holiday Inn and Hampton Inns, were double that of Cartagena but I found Airbnbs in nice locales that could be had for what a midlevel hotel in Cartagena costs of similar quality.

In summary, that whole concept of Europe being expensive vanished. It can be affordable if you know what you are doing and plan correctly. You can do a trip and have the same costs in Europe as Colombia. I did not see any difference with the price of restaurant meals. And the hooker prices now are in the same league and you can find plenty of Latinas in Europe.

Then there is the travel. If you fly NYC to Bogota, that is a five hour flight. I flew from NYC to the Azores in Portugal on Azores airlines. That is a five hour flight too. From the Azores, you can get to most places in Europe in 3 hours. Yes, the flight time is less than if you go to to Cartagena through Florida but when I go to Cartagena and come back, it is in the 7 to 10 hour range which is the same as getting to much of Europe with Azores. I looked for the cheapest one way fares on Azores to Europe and found one for $297. That is only $100 more than the cheapest fares I ever have found to Colombia.

So now I was like what is really worse about Europe, and once I saw how Europe could be done, the only true negative is the jet lag.

But then there are the positives. The roads are great. The food is better and healthier. The places are cleaner and safer. You can go to the beaches and not get harassed. While Spain, Portugal, and Italy are not the economic stars in Europe, the infrastructure is light years ahead of Colombia. And you do not have to deal with the sex trafficking sneering.

Yes, Colombia is an upgrade over the USA in terms of the women, but for me, that was always more Medellin than anywhere else. It has been rare for me to see a bevy of beauties in Cartagena, and Bogota has hot women but the weather and the clothes needed to be worn distract from seeing the potential beauty. Still, Colombia has the USA beat but think about that difference in looks. Now multiply that difference by two and you have how much better looking the women were in Southern Europe compared to Colombia. Yes, really.

And it is hard finding a spinner in Colombia. They got the fuller, bigger, harder asses. Maybe the gut pooches out more than the attractive European with the flat abs and smaller butts. The USA women have gotten so much bigger we do not see that as much now though. In Southern Europe though, they are all over the damned place. Only place you could find more are in Asia but these women blow their Asian counterparts away looks wise.

Maybe the notoriously cold European attitude would be reason to be stay away but I did not see that much particularly among the Spanish and Portuguese, and there are Latinas there anyway. I did not talk to the women in Italy but I suspected many of the hotties were not from there. They did not look Italian.

So thanks for the report Mr. E, but like with the other reports, my take is why should anyone outside of those living in South Florida look to go to Colombia now? Maybe if people quit coming to Colombia in the numbers they are, it will go back to what it was.[/QUOTE]Elvis I totally agree. Now I have the money, but no time, I miss my Moscow days. When I was in Moscow it was incredibly cheap and if you were careful you could get by dirt cheap and live like Rock Star. You can spend crazy money their, but there is just no need.

If I had my dream life I would spend my time between CDMX and Moscow. Unfortunately Moscow is out of the question now with the war. Just for the record, the safest I have ever felt was in Moscow, it is totally opposite to what the media says. Also, the city is so clean. So much fun, I miss those days, but honestly CDMX is almost as fun and hot chicks everywhere, not like Russia, but they are everywhere and attainable.

I will pay a little extra too be in safe city. The other issue with Colombia is all the sex tourist, I almost never see them in CDMX. I do see them in MTY, but it really is not that often, now in Colombia they are everywhere.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933294]You can do a trip and have the same costs in Europe as Colombia.[/QUOTE]Not if someone is after cheap / econo pussy. Where in Western Europe can you find 50-70 mil SWs (of the same quality as in Col) or 100 mil / h casa girls (again more or less the same level of quality / service / time). Or even 18 yo 300 mil fb girls. Maybe if you compare to seeking and going to be dropping 100's of US in either place costs might be similar. Rents, hotels, services, restaurants etc are still expensive in Europe compared to Col but yeah prices in supermarkets can be comparable and in many cases cheaper. Infrastructure and safety is much better too, as you mentioned.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2933380]Not if someone is after cheap / econo pussy. Where in Western Europe can you find 50-70 mil SWs (of the same quality as in Col) or 100 mil / h casa girls (again more or less the same level of quality / service / time). Or even 18 yo 300 mil fb girls. Maybe if you compare to seeking and going to be dropping 100's of US in either place costs might be similar. Rents, hotels, services, restaurants etc are still expensive in Europe compared to Col but yeah prices in supermarkets can be comparable and in many cases cheaper. Infrastructure and safety is much better too, as you mentioned.[/QUOTE]In Soho, London I was able get a descent girl in the Walk-Ups for only £30 and these are not SW's. Some are of middle eastern descent, some are Brits, some are Latina, some are eastern European.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2933380]Not if someone is after cheap / econo pussy. Where in Western Europe can you find 50-70 mil SWs (of the same quality as in Col) or 100 mil / h casa girls (again more or less the same level of quality / service / time).[/QUOTE]First off, I think you will agree that is not in Cartagena anymore. The deals at the clock tower are gone. And I agree that the SW and Casa prices in Bogota and Medellin are cheaper than Europe, there is the cost of the sex tourist accusation, the drugging's, the muggings, and the killings. If any of those things happen, that cheap pussy is not cheap.

And then you got the fucking hassle factor. Like Mr. E got a deal, and then they tried to jack the price up on him, I dealt with that all the time too. You negotiate 30 minutes and there is a knock on the door in 10 minutes. You can argue with it, but this was so common when I found one I liked in SF, I had to tell her, "I do not care what the price is, but how much so we do not get hassled during the session for an hour. " The amount was $40 so a lot of time those $10 and $20 great deals are really just come ONS.

But that is just one type of monger: the guy who wants to fuck as much strange as he can for as little as he can.

If you looking at quality escorts, the prices are the same. And at the high end, well, Colombia does not really even have a high end. And as DF alluded to, it makes no sense to choose Colombia over Mexico City in the sugar market at the prices Colombians want. None.

When I returned to Colombia in 2019, hotel prices were half to one-third of what a comparable one was in the USA, food prices were half of the USA, and the price of the women was dirt. All but those very small pockets you are talking about, SWs and Casas, are gone now.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933294]Now I am hearing guys being quoted between $400 and $1000 an hour. One guy said it makes more sense for him to play in that USA market now.

And it is hard finding a spinner in Colombia. They got the fuller, bigger, harder asses. Maybe the gut pooches out more
[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. I used to be a travellor, to Colombia and DR. But when you add the cost of airfare, your travel time, missed opportunity for income, hotel expense, etc. It makes sense to get the immigrant pussy in USA. Have been using SDM lately after being banned on Seeking. Have been meeting and getting alot of great Brazilian pussy, however they do not speak English. They want to fuck more than I do and often wear me out! And I am on Cialis assist! I have to fight them off. My stable is about 5-6 now and I can only pop every other day due to age, so I have to come up with excuses to recover my refractory period. Really.

One of my cousins checked in a box with alcohol which did not arrive on his flight. It came the next day. After we ate lunch at a normal-priced Colombian restaurant, 3 of us went to the airport to pick up the box. The rest of the guys were supposed to be heading to Hollywood Beach. My cousin learned his lesson that it is better to go to the grocery store on arrival if you want alcohol and stay away from importing it and the duty frees.

We got back and dropped off the box and walked to the beach to meet up with the other guys. Except when we got there, they were still at the place where we just dropped off the box. How their place is set up, they have the entire floor, but there are separate rooms like a hotel. One of the rooms have the kitchen, dining room, and 2 bedrooms. The rest of the rooms are like single hotel-style rooms. So they just leave the one room open so people can use the kitchen or whatever anytime.

So yeah the guys are not at the beach but we tell the waiter at Caliwood Kiosk #4, Peter, that we need a place for 7. The place is noisy as fuck. It is like everyone is blasting their own music under each umbrella. As soon as we sat down the vendors were on us like flies to shit. People kept trying to rent bluetooth speakers to us which explained the noise. Massage ladies would not leave us alone. I kept telling my cousins just say no no matter how much they touch on you.

We ordered drinks. I ordered a pina colada in a glass and one of my cousins ordered a caipirinha. My other cousin wanted his pina colada in the pineapple but I talked him out of that. I told him they were going to hit him over the head for that pineapple and it was going to hold less than the cup. (In Ecuador once my girl wanted hers in the pineapple. I told her what I just told you but she did not believe it. I had the bartender pour the shit from my glass into the pineapple and when it filled up there was still some left in my glass that would not fit.) So you can pay extra to be cute and have less drink or you can pay the normal price and have the correct amount of drink.

When he brought the drinks I told him to bring the bill. He insisted that he would just bring a final bill when it was time to go. I said I was not falling for that and would pay as we go. It took me a out 10 times asking for it for him to finally bring it. Then once we paid, it took us about 10 times asking for him to bring the change.

For those that do not know, the prices on the beach are a tourist ripoff and the government actually regulates the prices. The only way it kind of works out is if you only buy 1 drink. The price for 2 chairs and an umbrella is 20,000 per the government. What the kiosk is doing is telling you that the chairs and umbrellas are free, but including it into the price of other things. So the 55,000 kind of works if you only buy 1 drink (Not really though because the drink would still be overpiced because its price is supposed to be 15,000, so they are still charging you 20,000 extra). But if you buy 2 drinks you have in essence paid for the chairs and umbrella twice. Of course tourists are none the wiser to these things. There was also a 16% service charge added to the bill.

The other guys finally arrived. My cousin told me his thing was getting a manicure and pedicure at the beach. It was 50,000. I said come on man. You are letting a strange chick poke and prod you on a dirty beach with tools that have touched you do not know who or what. Meanwhile I pay 25,000 in a clean ass salon. He could not resist though. Soon all the guys were getting massages or their nails done. One guy told me to ask the chick that was doing another guy's nails about a happy ending. I asked her and she said you have to talk to those hoes about that, because I do not do happy endings. I fell out laughing.

So when the lady finished my cousin's nails the price magically went from 50,000 to 100,000. She said she had to charge him for a half massage too. I fell out laughing saying I told you, I told you. They argued back and forth and when she finally realized he was not going to give her 100,000, she left with the original 50,000.

I told the happy ending lady why'all think we are some damn fools huh? Then I showed her the prices from the government with the number you are supposed to call if someone tries to cheat you. She said you know too damn much. We started laughing. She gave me her menu so I could take pictures of it. You can see that her complete massage is 300,000, while the government says it can be no more than 50,000. You can also see that the govermnent says braids are 30,000 while her menu says 90,000. This is exactly why after my first time to Cartagena years ago I said fuck that ripoff ass place and only returned during the day driving from Barranquilla to go to Baru.

P.S. I am with a girl in Barranquilla and she told me a story of someone eating fish on the beach in Cartagena. In true fashion they said not to worry about the price and in the end tried to charge them 2,000,000 pesos. They had to call the police to straighten it out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933484]We ordered drinks. I ordered a pina colada in a glass and one of my cousins ordered a caipirinha. My other cousin wanted his pina colada in the pineapple but I talked him out of that. I told him they were going to hit him over the head for that pineapple and it was going to hold less than the cup.

When he brought the drinks I told him to bring the bill. He insisted that he would just bring a final bill when it was time to go. I said I was not falling for that and would pay as we go. It took me a out 10 times asking for it for him to finally bring it. Then once we paid, it took us about 10 times asking for him to bring the change.

For those that do not know, the prices on the beach are a tourist ripoff and the government actually regulates the prices. The only way it kind of works out is if you only buy 1 drink. The price for 2 chairs and an umbrella is 20,000 per the government. What the kiosk is doing is telling you that the chairs and umbrellas are free, but including it into the price of other things. So the 55,000 kind of works if you only buy 1 drink (Not really though because the drink would still be overpiced because its price is supposed to be 15,000, so they are still charging you 20,000 extra). But if you buy 2 drinks you have in essence paid for the chairs and umbrella twice. Of course tourists are none the wiser to these things. There was also a 16% service charge added to the bill.

The other guys finally arrived. My cousin told me his thing was getting a manicure and pedicure at the beach. It was 50,000. I said come on man. You are letting a strange chick poke and prod you on a dirty beach with tools that have touched you do not know who or what. Meanwhile I pay 25,000 in a clean ass salon. He could not resist though. Soon all the guys were getting massages or their nails done. One guy told me to ask the chick that was doing another guy's nails about a happy ending. I asked her and she said you have to talk to those hoes about that, because I do not do happy endings. I fell out laughing..[/QUOTE]Yes, be careful if you take the launch from the beach to the island of Baru. They will charge you ten times the normal rate. And if you order a fish meal on the island the price is about twenty times. They tried to charge me about $50 US for a fish lunch for 2. My Colombian girlfriend (now my ex-wife after only one year of marriage) did nothing to protest, just let them rip me off. I have not been to Cartagena for 1. 5 years now. You are correct, the vendors are relentless, like flies on garbage. And when you say "no moleste" they all respond, "this is my job!" and then they say, "this is not your Country. " Correct. And I do not need to go back there for more suffering.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933484] My cousin told me his thing was getting a manicure and pedicure at the beach. It was 50,000. I said come on man. You are letting a strange chick poke and prod you on a dirty beach with tools that have touched you do not know who or what. Meanwhile I pay 25,000 in a clean ass salon. He could not resist though. Soon all the guys were getting massages or their nails done. One guy told me to ask the chick that was doing another guy's nails about a happy ending. I asked her and she said you have to talk to those hoes about that, because I do not do happy endings. I fell out laughing.

So when the lady finished my cousin's nails the price magically went from 50,000 to 100,000. She said she had to charge him for a half massage too. I fell out laughing saying I told you, I told you. They argued back and forth and when she finally realized he was not going to give her 100,000, she left with the original 50,000. .[/QUOTE]Most of those massage ladies on Hollywood Beach do not look too appealing and the ladies at a clean salon look way better and there can be more privacy. Also the massage ladies at the beach harass too much and just walk up to you and start rubbing your shoulders without you even asking. I turn them all down and send them on their way. No thank you!

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2933594]Yes, be careful if you take the launch from the beach to the island of Baru. They will charge you ten times the normal rate. And if you order a fish meal on the island the price is about twenty times. They tried to charge me about $50 US for a fish lunch for 2. My Colombian girlfriend (now my ex-wife after only one year of marriage) did nothing to protest, just let them rip me off. I have not been to Cartagena for 1. 5 years now. You are correct, the vendors are relentless, like flies on garbage. And when you say "no moleste" they all respond, "this is my job!" and then they say, "this is not your Country. " Correct. And I do not need to go back there for more suffering.[/QUOTE]That's why I always pay in COP. It's best to take land transportation to Baru from Cartagena to Baru and then a fast launcha to one of the Rosario Islands. Me and my Chica did this and she arranged it. 60 k per person for everything.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933484]One of my cousins checked in a box with alcohol which did not arrive on his flight. It came the next day. After we ate lunch at a normal-priced Colombian restaurant, 3 of us went to the airport to pick up the box. The rest of the guys were supposed to be heading to Hollywood Beach. My cousin learned his lesson that it is better to go to the grocery store on arrival if you want alcohol and stay away from importing it and the duty frees.

We got back and dropped off the box and walked to the beach to meet up with the other guys. Except when we got there, they were still at the place where we just dropped off the box. How their place is set up, they have the entire floor, but there are separate rooms like a hotel. One of the rooms have the kitchen, dining room, and 2 bedrooms. The rest of the rooms are like single hotel-style rooms. So they just leave the one room open so people can use the kitchen or whatever anytime.

So yeah the guys are not at the beach but we tell the waiter at Caliwood Kiosk #4, Peter, that we need a place for 7. The place is noisy as fuck. It is like everyone is blasting their own music under each umbrella. As soon as we sat down the vendors were on us like flies to shit. People kept trying to rent bluetooth speakers to us which explained the noise. Massage ladies would not leave us alone. I kept telling my cousins just say no no matter how much they touch on you..[/QUOTE]The service charge was 10%, standard. But thanks for some useful info finally. I'll be there in Dec and yes they will all try hard to scam you.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933438]First off, I think you will agree that is not in Cartagena anymore. The deals at the clock tower are gone. And I agree that the SW and Casa prices in Bogota and Medellin are cheaper than Europe, there is the cost of the sex tourist accusation, the drugging's, the muggings, and the killings. If any of those things happen, that cheap pussy is not cheap.[/QUOTE]Good point, if we are comparing touristy / vacation destinations with beaches, infrastructure etc the Med or Bogota don't qualify.

I was at the beach in Barranquilla today and a lady came around offering massages for 10,000 pesos. Said she usually charges 20,000.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933755]I was at the beach in Barranquilla today and a lady came around offering massages for 10,000 pesos. Said she usually charges 20,000.[/QUOTE]Never been to the Colombian coast but that's a bit depressing looking beach, is it all like that over in Colombia? In my head I kind of had an image of palms, white sand and blue / transparent water.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2933891]Never been to the Colombian coast but that's a bit depressing looking beach, is it all like that over in Colombia? In my head I kind of had an image of palms, white sand and blue / transparent water.[/QUOTE]LOL. Pretty much. Unless you go on a day trip to Baru in Cartagena or San Andres Island. Otherwise, the beaches of Colombia are no paradise.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2933891]Never been to the Colombian coast but that's a bit depressing looking beach, is it all like that over in Colombia?[/QUOTE]Have you not done any sort of research for yourself or watched any YouTube or any other videos of Colombian beaches and islands? Definitely sounds like you haven't attempted to do any of it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933937]LOL. Pretty much. Unless you go on a day trip to Baru in Cartagena or San Andres Island. Otherwise, the beaches of Colombia are no paradise.[/QUOTE]Actually Baru (Playa Blanca) and San Andres were my best experiences. Other beaches were also descent but not as bad as Barranquilla or Cartagena. Tierra Bomba Island at Punta Arena has a better looking beach than Hollywood Beach in Cartagena and you can see the Cartagena skyline from Tierra Bomba Island. I've been to Rodadero Beach before and that beach is better than in Santa Marta. Keep in mind that Colombia is the only country in South America that has 2 coast. One coast in the Caribbean Sea and the other coast on the Pacific Ocean. I have not been to the Pacific coast of Colombia yet.

The picture is on Rodadero Beach near Santa Marta.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2933891]Never been to the Colombian coast but that's a bit depressing looking beach, is it all like that over in Colombia? In my head I kind of had an image of palms, white sand and blue / transparent water.[/QUOTE]Tierra Bomba Island at Punta Arena near Cartagena, Colombia.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2933891]Never been to the Colombian coast but that's a bit depressing looking beach, is it all like that over in Colombia? In my head I kind of had an image of palms, white sand and blue / transparent water.[/QUOTE]Tierra Bomba Island at Punta Arena near Cartagena, Colombia.

Some beaches in Colombia aren't bad.

Some beaches in Colombia aren't bad.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2934043]Keep in mind that Colombia is the only country in South America that has 2 coast. One coast in the Caribbean Sea and the other coast on the Pacific Ocean. I have not been to the Pacific coast of Colombia yet.[/QUOTE]I have been to beaches that were supposed to be the bee's knees in every country (Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile) along that coast. Hollywood Beach is pretty much better than par for the course, especially the temperature of the water. If you want a nice beach do not go looking on the western side of South America.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2934184]I have been to beaches that were supposed to be the bee's knees in every country (Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile) along that coast. Hollywood Beach is pretty much better than par for the course, especially the temperature of the water. If you want a nice beach do not go looking on the western side of South America.[/QUOTE]That's interesting because even in the USA On the Pacific coast the water is cold. Even in the middle of the summer time. You don't see many people swimming in the water.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933484]One of my cousins checked in a box with alcohol which did not arrive on his flight. It came the next day. After we ate lunch at a normal-priced Colombian restaurant, 3 of us went to the airport to pick up the box. The rest of the guys were supposed to be heading to Hollywood Beach. My cousin learned his lesson that it is better to go to the grocery store on arrival if you want alcohol and stay away from importing it and the duty frees.

We got back and dropped off the box and walked to the beach to meet up with the other guys. Except when we got there, they were still at the place where we just dropped off the box. How their place is set up, they have the entire floor, but there are separate rooms like a hotel. One of the rooms have the kitchen, dining room, and 2 bedrooms. The rest of the rooms are like single hotel-style rooms. So they just leave the one room open so people can use the kitchen or whatever anytime.

So yeah the guys are not at the beach but we tell the waiter at Caliwood Kiosk #4, Peter, that we need a place for 7. The place is noisy as fuck. It is like everyone is blasting their own music under each umbrella. As soon as we sat down the vendors were on us like flies to shit. People kept trying to rent bluetooth speakers to us which explained the noise. Massage ladies would not leave us alone. I kept telling my cousins just say no no matter how much they touch on you.

We ordered drinks. I ordered a pina colada in a glass and one of my cousins ordered a caipirinha. My other cousin wanted his pina colada in the pineapple but I talked him out of that. I told him they were going to hit him over the head for that pineapple and it was going to hold less than the cup. (In Ecuador once my girl wanted hers in the pineapple. I told her what I just told you but she did not believe it. I had the bartender pour the shit from my glass into the pineapple and when it filled up there was still some left in my glass that would not fit.) So you can pay extra to be cute and have less drink or you can pay the normal price and have the correct amount of drink.

When he brought the drinks I told him to bring the bill. He insisted that he would just bring a final bill when it was time to go. I said I was not falling for that and would pay as we go. It took me a out 10 times asking for it for him to finally bring it. Then once we paid, it took us about 10 times asking for him to bring the change.

For those that do not know, the prices on the beach are a tourist ripoff and the government actually regulates the prices. The only way it kind of works out is if you only buy 1 drink. The price for 2 chairs and an umbrella is 20,000 per the government. What the kiosk is doing is telling you that the chairs and umbrellas are free, but including it into the price of other things. So the 55,000 kind of works if you only buy 1 drink (Not really though because the drink would still be overpiced because its price is supposed to be 15,000, so they are still charging you 20,000 extra). But if you buy 2 drinks you have in essence paid for the chairs and umbrella twice. Of course tourists are none the wiser to these things. There was also a 16% service charge added to the bill.

The other guys finally arrived. My cousin told me his thing was getting a manicure and pedicure at the beach. It was 50,000. I said come on man. You are letting a strange chick poke and prod you on a dirty beach with tools that have touched you do not know who or what. Meanwhile I pay 25,000 in a clean ass salon. He could not resist though. Soon all the guys were getting massages or their nails done. One guy told me to ask the chick that was doing another guy's nails about a happy ending. I asked her and she said you have to talk to those hoes about that, because I do not do happy endings. I fell out laughing.

So when the lady finished my cousin's nails the price magically went from 50,000 to 100,000. She said she had to charge him for a half massage too. I fell out laughing saying I told you, I told you. They argued back and forth and when she finally realized he was not going to give her 100,000, she left with the original 50,000.

I told the happy ending lady why'all think we are some damn fools huh? Then I showed her the prices from the government with the number you are supposed to call if someone tries to cheat you. She said you know too damn much. We started laughing. She gave me her menu so I could take pictures of it. You can see that her complete massage is 300,000, while the government says it can be no more than 50,000. You can also see that the govermnent says braids are 30,000 while her menu says 90,000. This is exactly why after my first time to Cartagena years ago I said fuck that ripoff ass place and only returned during the day driving from Barranquilla to go to Baru.

P.S. I am with a girl in Barranquilla and she told me a story of someone eating fish on the beach in Cartagena. In true fashion they said not to worry about the price and in the end tried to charge them 2,000,000 pesos. They had to call the police to straighten it out.[/QUOTE]I remembered my first time there when I saw the receipt pic. But I'm assuming you guys didn't end up paying the receipt amount, right? Unless the chair / umbrella fee is per person, I count umbrella / chair fee + three 15000 COP cocktails. Maybe, I'll check out Hollywood beach again after that expensive first visit since I've got a cruise coming up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2934184]I have been to beaches that were supposed to be the bee's knees in every country (Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile) along that coast. Hollywood Beach is pretty much better than par for the course, especially the temperature of the water. If you want a nice beach do not go looking on the western side of South America.[/QUOTE]That's interesting because even in the USA On the Pacific coast the water is cold. Even in the middle of the summer time. You don't see many people swimming in the water.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2934304]That's interesting because even in the USA On the Pacific coast the water is cold. Even in the middle of the summer time. You don't see many people swimming in the water.[/QUOTE]As a life-long Californian, whose been to quite a few beaches in the state, yes the water is cold, even in summer. But in the LA area and down south to San Diego its warm in the summer time. From the central coast on up, its too cold to swim all year round.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2934184]I have been to beaches that were supposed to be the bee's knees in every country (Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile) along that coast. Hollywood Beach is pretty much better than par for the course, especially the temperature of the water. If you want a nice beach do not go looking on the western side of South America.[/QUOTE]Outside of the water being cold in all but the summer months, what is wrong with Mancora in Peru?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2934493]Outside of the water being cold in all but the summer months, what is wrong with Mancora in Peru?[/QUOTE]The water is still cold in summer months. I was planning to dive there, but in the end was happy that I did not lug my gear, because there was no way I was getting into that freezing water. And getting there is a big hassle for such a bullshit beach. Nobody that has actually experienced a good beach is going to be happy after going all that way and seeing that. It is good for Peruvians because that is as good as it gets in their country. It is no Cancun, Punta Cana, or even Daytona. Still better off at Hollywood I say. They had some good drinks though. I just sat there and drank and watched videos on my phone while old girl played in that cold water. And besides that, there was nothing going on in that little town.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2934649]The water is still cold in summer months. I was planning to dive there, but in the end was happy that I did not lug my gear, because there was no way I was getting into that freezing water. And getting there is a big hassle for such a bullshit beach. Nobody that has actually experienced a good beach is going to be happy after going all that way and seeing that. It is good for Peruvians because that is as good as it gets in their country. It is no Cancun, Punta Cana, or even Daytona. Still better off at Hollywood I say. They had some good drinks though. I just sat there and drank and watched videos on my phone while old girl played in that cold water. And besides that, there was nothing going on in that little town.[/QUOTE]Okay, so you are looking at swimming, diving, and night life, and it does suck for those things, and Hollywood is better in those regards. For me, it was a welcome excursion from always foggy Lima. It is like, "Hey, Peru does have some sun after al. ".

Thing is I enjoyed the calm sea, the pelicans flying, the not too hot sand, the beach strolls, and the fish bakes we had on the beach. We bought fish from the fisherman for like 50 cents a pound that was great. Apparently, a Japanese couple bought a tuna earlier and ate the whole damned thing raw right on the pier because they could not believe the could get fresh tuna so cheap.

It is a place to chill versus party for sure. When we went looking to a gym to work out, there was like only one, and it was horrible.

Hollywood Beach is basically a trade show for women to make contact with potential customers. To me it qualifies as one of the greatest shows on earth. [B]All[/B] the ladies were there in bikinis and there were tons of them. What I recommend is to sit facing the kiosk and not the beach. I had to turn around so many times because the chicks were walking behind me. I told my cousin that it would be smarter to sit on the other side of the table and that is what he changed to do.

No idea why people here mention talking to Tony about getting chicks. Tony is just a waiter as far as I could tell. The chicks are there walking around back and forth and all you have to do is call one over.

There is no need for you to sit and drink or eat with chicks. My group just called the chicks over and added them to whatsapp for later. I called them over and asked how much. They would always say 100. I would respond 100 pesos? They would say $100. After that I say we are in Colombia; who the hell has dollars? Then they would say 400,000 pesos. When I did it with one chick her $100 turned to 200,000 pesos. These chicks were quoting these prices for 1 hour. One chick asked $120 but when asked about pesos she said 400,000. My boys would do everything on whatsapp and google translate. One of the chicks told them 300,000.

There was so much shit going on at Hollywood that it seems the massage ladies are there because you get so tense from beating off all the touts. There was even a guy getting a haircut on the beach!

One dumb ass chick walked by screaming respect me. I am not a prepago. I am a Dominican lawyer on vacation. I told one of those waiters to flag her down because I was busy on my phone. When she came up I was still busy and did not even look up so she eventually walked away.

I was about to order another drink when my cousin stopped me. He said they were about to close. The police were coming around telling everyone to leave. They do this at all public Colombian beaches at 6 pm. I have been to private beaches where this does not happen.

We got up and started to walk up toward the street. All the girls were there putting their street clothes over their bikinis. I went and talk to the chick who earlier claimed to be Dominican. We exchanged whatsapps. Apparently she is a Venezuelan parading as a Dominican lawyer on vacation. I asked her where she was from and she said Santo Domingo. I said what part. She was stuck. Then she proceeded to talk about how she is on vacation and does not want to talk about any of that. She also said she left the Dominican Republic 20 years ago and did not know anything. The next day when the Venezuelan election took place she had put stuff on her whatsapp concerning the election.

We got a couple more numbers then went back to our rooms. I was not expecting to use any of the contacts because my girl was already on the way over. We did our thing then went out to eat and she went home about 9 pm. The fellas called me to meet up at the same restaurant that I had just left. I got there and 4 of the 6 guys had one of the chicks that were at the beach earlier. They had planned to keep them all night. No idea how much they were paying.

Whenever we go to restaurants they have this thing of wanting to sit inside with the air conditioning. Well the problem with this place was that the inside was hotter than outside. I kept telling them it was hot as fuck and why not move outside. I went and got one of those chairs from the bar and sat directly under the half working AC.

One of the guys got up like he was going to the bathroom, turned around, bent over, and paused. He was fucking losing it. We had to grab him and get him back seated, and treat him for heat stroke. I told them it was hot as fuck in that room. I called Indriver to bring him back to their place where there was definitely cold AC. The girl he had came with me to help nurse him. The rest of the people came later.

We had plans to check out Androgeno, but because of that incident the plans fell though and everyone decided to stay inside. The ones that already had chicks with their chicks. I was happy because I was already sleepy as fuck.

The chicks were hitting me up after I left asking if I was still there.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2934493]Outside of the water being cold in all but the summer months, what is wrong with Mancora in Peru?[/QUOTE]You can use Sea Temperature feature in [URL]windy.com[/URL].

Mancora is now 24 degrees Celsius or 4 degrees below pool temperature.

[URL]https://www.windy.com/-Menu/menu?sst[/URL], -4. 724,-81.059,8.

[QUOTE=Questner;2934732]You can use Sea Temperature feature in [URL]windy.com[/URL].

Mancora is now 24 degrees Celsius or 4 degrees below pool temperature.

[URL]https://www.windy.com/-Menu/menu?sst[/URL], -4. 724,-81.059,8.[/QUOTE]The highest / warmest summer time Pacific water temperature in LOS Angeles during is only 66°F and San Diego at 67°F. Not too pleasant for swimming in my opinion. The Caribbean average all year round water temperature is 80°F. Perfect!

Long time reader, first time reporter.

Thought I'the start giving back to the forum since I've been able to gather so much info by just RTFF. I've Been to a lot of LATAM, and I'm Latino so Spanish isn't an issue for me. I usually just go and spend a couple months in BOG and love it there, the weathers not so great but I don't mind. I will be writing in the BOG thread at some point soon.

I just spent two days in CTG and yesterday (a Tuesday) went to El Paraíso Marino. The area is indeed a little sketch, but nothing worse than Santa Fe or the like. At 10 pm on a Tuesday it was not dead but not full, at around midnight it filled up a bit. Once inside I felt completely safe, but again I speak Spanish fluently and feel I have good street smarts. The inside looks nice and there were easily, to my taste, a couple of 8-9's but a lot of 6-7's. Also pretty expensive, but I expected that going in. They have a pool that you can get in if you want, I didn't. They also have every girl available go up to you and introduce themselves as a line up. They also have hookahs, which I love, and a wide variety of of liquors and beers.

The rooms were spacious and clean and have a shower, and the price for the girl and the room were 450 k. Expensive I know, I would never pay that in BOG, but this chick was a 9 to me and I don't mind spending $113 (at current exchange rates) once in while for the experience. I even asked one of the waiters what the price for the girl and the room are when my chick went to the bathroom, and he quoted the same price, so do with that what you will. In the room she was great and very "entregada" and GFE, so much so my pelvis hurts a little from the session LOL. So no complaints besides the price on my part.

Overall, if I was willing to spend that kind of money I would definitely go again.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

GOW.

Cartagena had a few overcast days where it was not hot as fuck but I suppose that is why people go there. Spirit is flying from Orlando to CTG once again. That is the best way to get to the city IMO. You arrive earlier than other flights though the Orlando airport is a zoo. If you buy a one way ticket, you likely have to check in at the gate to get a boarding pass which is always fucking madness. You are less likely to have to go to the gate if you buy a round trip ticket and can get your boarding pass on line I have found. Fort Lauderdale is usually better than Orlando for checking in time wise but not by much. I have been having to fly Spirit because outside of an occasional great deal on other airlines, you are paying double in comparison price wise.

Once you get into Cartagena, there are new banners demonizing sex trafficking that I did not notice before. I did not see the Medellin style harassment though. Customs agents were friendly like they always were and the line moved along well. On checkout back out of Colombia, lines were not bad either and agents are pushing people to use the biomig machines. That may be why lines moved faster upon exiting.

I got the dreaded SSSS on my ticket. It is funny that on my trip to CTG I never had to remove my shoes but on the way back, I had to remove them three times. I was told on one flight that I flew unrelated to this one that the airline I was using did not participate in TSA precheck. I am not sure what that means. It sounds like if the airlines are not paying the TSA they are not allowed to do TSA precheck. For whatever reason, Spirit did not give me precheck on the return but priority boarding. There was no difference with that and regular boarding when I was in Lauderdale as the lines were short. This was probably the least busy I have seen airports for a long time.

The SSSS search resulted in them getting the blades off my razor and the spare blades I used. I have done 20+ flights with the razor and spares, and I was not alone. The counter was filled up with razors. So do not pack them in your carry-ONS now. Don't ask me why.

For the most part, Cartagena has not had a crazy good bakery despite their being an obvious demand for one. Well, they have one now. The places is called Melt. Their baked good is called a melte and I think there were four different flavors. Bakery is next to KFC on Carerra 2. We ate in the restaurant and were there at least an hour, and there was a line out the door the whole time. They are going to need a bigger store. Yeah, the meltes were damned good. This is a world class product although sadly the meltes are not that good when cold. You have to get them fresh. [URL]https://www.instagram.com/somos.melt/[/URL].

Ice cream wise, the wisdom was that the best ice cream was Crepes and Waffles. Sad for sure. But there is a small stand that sells gelato on the first floor in the Serrezuela mall, and it is awesome. The stand is made out to be a pink Cadillac and usually there is a small line there. Again, this is probably the only above average product of its sort in the city.

I get why there is demand for some of the island beaches like Bora Bora. You get the clear water and white sand. Thing is when I went snorkeling the undertow was so severe it took away from a lot of the enjoyment. Also, the trip out there was not so bad in the morning the ocean was calm but on the way back, if you are in a smaller boat, you are going to feel like you are on horse back as the boat bucks so much because of the waves. It is also an 1+ hour to get out there.

The biggest island off the coast is Tierra Bomba. My gal set us up a tour there. We got a nice tour of the fort and it was interesting. The fort is not as impressive as Castillo San Felipe but it was pretty impressive in its own right. The part I would return to is the beach right next to the fort. Yes, this beach has the same black dirt feel as that on Hollywood Beach, and the water is more dark than clear but the beach is protected from the waves so there is no undertow and it is really, really calm. I asked if the beach was always like this and was told yes. So if you just want to lay out or swim, it is perfect. It was also empty at 11 AM on Tuesday so it has that going for it as well.

A 20 minute walk from the beach is a hotel where we ate lunch. Sorry, I forgot the name. What made this hotel special is it had a fresh water pool which is pretty remarkable because Tierra Bomba has no fresh water on the island. Apparently, it all has to be shipped in from the mainland. Lunch was the typical but excellent island fare: fried red fish, coconut rice, avocados. If you have not had that dish, you are missing out.

And Tierra Bomba is just like 20 to 25 minute boat ride. Maybe it was the boat had more people than the one I had been on previously but the horse bucking feeling I had on the previous boat did not happen and the boat ride was pleasant unlike the return from the Rosario islands.

So, figured I would make report, though this was in Cartagena 7 months ago, so, oldish info. It was kind of funny, this was my first real mongering focused trip, and literally days after I booked everything non-refundable (cheapest), the Mayor of Cartagena issues a moratorium on prostitution in Old Town. Thought that was going to make finding women difficult, but showed up and the ladies were all out and about!

The first night went almost too well, as I found a serious cutie in less than 10 minutes. Set me back 400 K. The women out and about seemed innumerable at the time because I hadn't really taken the scene fully in yet. The next night brought things into better perspective, as I spent hours on the stroll in Old Town. There were maybe 75-100 women out in total throughout the night. Girls get scooped quick if they are a serious looker! All the good choices dried up on night 2 as it was getting very late, and so I took what was a 6/10 back to my room, and once her clothes came off that score dropped to a 5. Same thing with other nights, there are definitely 7's and 8's out there every night, but they are few and far between, so if you see something good, you've got to go for it instantly. As compared to Medellin's Parque Lleras which I would hit a few months later, CTG is definitely NOT as good as far as selection, but still not bad at all. Additionally, as opposed to CTG's Old Town, it was not uncommon in Lleras to see a very good looking woman sit there all night, even on different nights, without a single customer.

I really enjoyed Cartagena, and will be returning. I think it's a good mix of vacation and hobbying. Whereas, I found myself getting miserably bored during the day in Medellin, while breathing in sulfury air, allst while eating mostly mediocre food and not daring to leave Poblado on foot after dark. That being said, definitely going back to Medellin sometime too, haha.

Hey, do any of you know of any massage places and / or spas you'the recommend. Preferably ones that give decent to very good massages and a good time afterwards. Please let me know if you do. My PMs are always open if you want to use that.

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2900315]Trying to add the pictures again since they did not upload last time.

Anyone know who she is?[/QUOTE]You don't have PM but looks like someone decided to take the girl you were looking for off the market.

The edited ones were dropped in a WhatsApp group but the original pictures are available to the public on her social media, and I made sure to put in this post they are publicly available for anyone to see as I know how the Mods here like to remove pictures.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2932836]Got here yesterday. [/QUOTE]Good report! Looks like some of your group was on the same level as my friend a while back on his first trip where I just got tired of explaining shit and just let him learn.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933167]So we arrived at La Sucursal, except it was not La Sucursal. [/QUOTE]They always pulling that different menu with different prices and bait and switch which is why I stopped going to Playa Hollywood jajajaj.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2934715]Hollywood Beach is basically a trade show for women to make contact with potential customers. To me it qualifies as one of the greatest shows on earth. [B]All[/B] the ladies were there in bikinis and there were tons of them. What I recommend is to sit facing the kiosk and not the beach. I had to turn around so many times because the chicks were walking behind me. I told my cousin that it would be smarter to sit on the other side of the table and that is what he changed to do.

No idea why people here mention talking to Tony about getting chicks. Tony is just a waiter as far as I could tell. The chicks are there walking around back and forth and all you have to do is call one over.
[/QUOTE]People go to Tony because they are lazy, they want people to bring girls to them even though they will be paying extra and Tony don't even have good girls. All the girls over there but some guys are just scared to talk to them, I use to see it all the time SMH.

Looks like you had a good time and you're seeing why Cartagena was ruined with bait and switches and gringo pricing. People go on vacation to relax but there's no relaxing when people have to constant haggle over things.

I was there 6/19 to 7/7 and it was sort of a mistake to be there for that long July 4th weekend. Allot of things are going on that I don't even want to talk about and people are just going to find out the hard way.

I told people on my last trip in April when I exited, they had me scan my face in BioMIG, they ignored what I said, got my face scanned again exiting back in July, they called me a liar in chat groups but I just tell my experience. Now we have multiple people posting in the groups they are getting their faces scanned on departure or denied entry into Cartagena and Medellin from an international flight.

They are also going through peoples phones upon arrival, I don't know if its targeted or random but I've met allot of random people over the years whose contact I kept and now from what I've heard in the cha groups, I'm deleting all old numbers, signing out of all apps dealing with money and deleting them, hiding all XXX pictures, clearing whatsapp chats, signing out of all dating apps and deleting them too.

Things are going to get really funny around Halloween and Christmas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933937]LOL. Pretty much. Unless you go on a day trip to Baru in Cartagena or San Andres Island. Otherwise, the beaches of Colombia are no paradise.[/QUOTE]100% concur. If going to the beach you have to take a boat but there are hardly any single girls there.

I usually go with chicas I know and its a whole day trip 9 - 5 then party from 8 - 2. Wake up and do it all again jajaja.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2938097]
I got the dreaded SSSS on my ticket. It is funny that on my trip to CTG I never had to remove my shoes but on the way back, I had to remove them three times. I was told on one flight that I flew unrelated to this one that the airline I was using did not participate in TSA precheck. I am not sure what that means. It sounds like if the airlines are not paying the TSA they are not allowed to do TSA precheck. For whatever reason, Spirit did not give me precheck on the return but priority boarding. There was no difference with that and regular boarding when I was in Lauderdale as the lines were short. This was probably the least busy I have seen airports for a long time.

[/QUOTE]I could be 100% wrong on this and anyone is welcome to correct me on any wrong information below.

TSA pre check is usually for USA airports only. I have global entry and normally on my international return trips I never have to take off my shoes but once in a while they have me take them off. Same with laptops on my return trips, sometimes they make me put them in separate bins and sometimes they just let me keep them in the bag.

One thing I noticed is they turned up the setting on the metal detectors as for years I was able to go through with my belt and watch with no problem but on my 3 recent trips in 2024, same exact belt and watch now sets off the metal detectors in the US side and Colombia. It's like they set them to the level of the court houses as I always had to remove them when entering courthouses but never at airports.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2939496]I could be 100% wrong on this and anyone is welcome to correct me on any wrong information below.

TSA pre check is usually for USA airports only. I have global entry and normally on my international return trips I never have to take off my shoes but once in a while they have me take them off. Same with laptops on my return trips, sometimes they make me put them in separate bins and sometimes they just let me keep them in the bag..[/QUOTE]Yes, precheck is just in the USA. I have the same global entry / TSA precheck clearance. That is why I was shocked I did not get precheck twice on my ticket. Once it was in New York, a Portuguese airline named Azores did not participate in precheck whatever that meant and with Spirit, they gave me precheck on the flight down to Colombia but not out of Fort Lauderdale, and I did not get why. The precheck aisle was empty. This has not happened to me in years but has happened twice in the last three months. It is weird.

The newer scanners do not require you to take out electronic devices and I hope everywhere gets them soon.

Once some lawyer suckered me into a custody hearing as a witness. I had been all over the world with the same backpack and went into a family court and something set it off. They searched me up and down. I was told that fathers are not too happy when their kids are taken away from them. There was a guy who set himself on fire outside of a courthouse after his kids were taken from him and only local news reported on it. One of my goals in life was to NEVER be in family court ever again for any reason. That shit is so fucked up.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939560]The newer scanners do not require you to take out electronic devices and I hope everywhere gets them soon.[/QUOTE]They are hustling backwards. The new scanners take twice as long and they will not be able to do anything about it until 2040. So you are hoping to wait twice as long as before.

I thought the scam happened when you brought food for the hungry local, I agree the women on the beach don't look appealing and most of them that work the scroll doesn't look appealing neither (in reference to the indigenous mixed ones) they look like Dominican BBL Light skins on steroids. I didn't even attempt to partake in any activity there because of the amount of fake bodies on the strip when I visited Colombia. I was there mainly on business and I had my girl with me but I could've snuck out on her.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2933594]Yes, be careful if you take the launch from the beach to the island of Baru. They will charge you ten times the normal rate. And if you order a fish meal on the island the price is about twenty times. They tried to charge me about $50 US for a fish lunch for 2. My Colombian girlfriend (now my ex-wife after only one year of marriage) did nothing to protest, just let them rip me off. I have not been to Cartagena for 1. 5 years now. You are correct, the vendors are relentless, like flies on garbage. And when you say "no moleste" they all respond, "this is my job!" and then they say, "this is not your Country. " Correct. And I do not need to go back there for more suffering.[/QUOTE]

Question back in June 2024 I visited CDMX and I agree Mexico has some of the hottest looking women in Latin America and that's including the 100% indigenous 1's but these were everyday working class Mexican women. The SW scene is dead the government is cracking down on prostitution just like they are in the US. For Mexico City to be so huge with a population over 23 million finding pussy is a real fucking challenge. I read the review boards on some guys from South America visiting CDMX I thought they were just whining but hell they were right! I got luck driving in the South Bouroughs of CDMX and scored some Haitian chicks. They scam hard in Mexico City! The ads are always fake on line. They'll give you a uphill battle over 3 hours of texting back and forward about how they can never answer a video call via WhatsApp and that includes the Black prostitutes from Cuba, Colombia and Venezuela also! So my question is where did you go in Mexico City to have a good time? I was staying in Polanco and the guys from Chile and Argentina put me up on game hard in that country! You'll feel safe there but that's a since of falseness they drug, Robb and murders even rich businessmen in CDMX inside upscale working girl (puta) houses! I'm glad you had a great time.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2933310]Elvis I totally agree. Now I have the money, but no time, I miss my Moscow days. When I was in Moscow it was incredibly cheap and if you were careful you could get by dirt cheap and live like Rock Star. You can spend crazy money their, but there is just no need.

If I had my dream life I would spend my time between CDMX and Moscow. Unfortunately Moscow is out of the question now with the war. Just for the record, the safest I have ever felt was in Moscow, it is totally opposite to what the media says. Also, the city is so clean. So much fun, I miss those days, but honestly CDMX is almost as fun and hot chicks everywhere, not like Russia, but they are everywhere and attainable.

I will pay a little extra too be in safe city. The other issue with Colombia is all the sex tourist, I almost never see them in CDMX. I do see them in MTY, but it really is not that often, now in Colombia they are everywhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2939955]Question back in June 2024 I visited CDMX and I agree Mexico has some of the hottest looking women in Latin America and that's including the 100% indigenous 1's but these were everyday working class Mexican women. The SW scene is dead the government is cracking down on prostitution just like they are in the US. For Mexico City to be so huge with a population over 23 million finding pussy is a real fucking challenge. I read the review boards on some guys from South America visiting CDMX I thought they were just whining but hell they were right! I got luck driving in the South Bouroughs of CDMX and scored some Haitian chicks. They scam hard in Mexico City! The ads are always fake on line. They'll give you a uphill battle over 3 hours of texting back and forward about how they can never answer a video call via WhatsApp and that includes the Black prostitutes from Cuba, Colombia and Venezuela also! So my question is where did you go in Mexico City to have a good time? I was staying in Polanco and the guys from Chile and Argentina put me up on game hard in that country! You'll feel safe there but that's a since of falseness they drug, Robb and murders even rich businessmen in CDMX inside upscale working girl (puta) houses! I'm glad you had a great time.[/QUOTE]The SWer scene in Mexico City is called La Merced. You can get there on the Metro Linea 1 (linea rosa)​ and get off as la merced station or also la candelaria.

The working girls stand on the sidewalks of this big huge street called Anillo de Circunvalacion and they are on both sides of the street running roughly from Calle San Pablo until this alley way called Calle Emiliano Zapata.

There are also some along the side streets (Calle San Pablo, Ave Corregidora, and Av Soledad).

Most of these working girls are not very good looking however but once in a while there can be hidden gems, usually new arrivals from Puebla (a nearby state to the east of CDMX).

There's a cpl decent hotels off of Emiliano Zapata, one I used to stay at about 10 years ago called Hotel Continental Mexicano and another around the corner called Hotel México Nuevo or something like that.

There are alot of street food options in this area. The tacos de sudadero are phenomenal. I passed through the area back in March of this year I saw the women still standing there as they did 10+ years but after coming back from Colombia, not a single one of them looked appealing. I just went straight to the tacos and ate about 20 tacos de sudadero and slammed 4 Mexican cokes in the glass bottles instead. Then after that I went to the nearby zona histórico and had another lunch (enmoladas de pollo) at this restaurant in the upper level of the Plaza Moneda shopping center.

Colombia has better women but Mexico has better food.

Hope this helps.

Gabacho.

I dare to ask who has been in town recently: did it change a bit? I do not hope a full recovery, but something?

I see most recent comments about the beach and Bocagrande, but how is the Reloy area now at night? Still fenced? Still the police car playing the ear-breaking siren every 10 minutes to push the people out of the square? (ALL the people, whatever category, tourists, girls, sellers,.).

And what are the hot clubs downtown now?

I RTFF, but in the last months I did not see good news. I have been there in February. Not less girls than before, but SPREAD all around downtown instead of being gethered at Reloy. The city was a huge puteria at night. Good job Mr. Alcade LOL.

I will be back in November. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940070]The SWer scene in Mexico City is called La Merced. You can get there on the Metro Linea 1 (linea rosa)​ and get off as la merced station or also la candelaria.

The working girls stand on the sidewalks of this big huge street called Anillo de Circunvalacion and they are on both sides of the street running roughly from Calle San Pablo until this alley way called Calle Emiliano Zapata.

There are also some along the side streets (Calle San Pablo, Ave Corregidora, and Av Soledad).

Most of these working girls are not very good looking however but once in a while there can be hidden gems, usually new arrivals from Puebla (a nearby state to the east of CDMX).

There's a cpl decent hotels off of Emiliano Zapata, one I used to stay at about 10 years ago called Hotel Continental Mexicano and another around the corner called Hotel Mxico Nuevo or something like that.

There are alot of street food options in this area. The tacos de sudadero are phenomenal. I passed through the area back in March of this year I saw the women still standing there as they did 10+ years but after coming back from Colombia, not a single one of them looked appealing. I just went straight to the tacos and ate about 20 tacos de sudadero and slammed 4 Mexican cokes in the glass bottles instead. Then after that I went to the nearby zona histrico and had another lunch (enmoladas de pollo) at this restaurant in the upper level of the Plaza Moneda shopping center.

Colombia has better women but Mexico has better food.

Hope this helps.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]I meant tacos de suadero. My damn auto correct changed it.

Spent a few days in CTG in August. The forum was helpful, particularly Mr E's, GoingInBig005 and reviewing content from YouTube. I saw one of the hosts on YouTube a few times during my stay (DangerTheHookUp); he's also a guide, etc. When I talked to him, the first thing he mentioned is that fells should know some Spanish.

At the airport immigration went quickly, they needed the exact address of my Airbnb (in Menga) and not just a general location. I was hoping to get a SIM card in the airport but not available. While waiting for the Uber one of the airport staff pointed me to a tienda in front the airport that sold SIM cards, it was close by but the Uber had already arrived. I was able to get a SIM by the Airbnb. I always use a separate phone for international travel and the real phone is secured wherever I'm staying at.

It took a while to check into the Airbnb. All the information I sent them in advance, they wanted to verify again.

Changed, went to Boca Grande to eat and walk around a little. Then the Walled City.

I could describe the Walled City as a more controlled, calm but fun environment as Bourbon St! Follow the music and the crowd.

There is a lot of sights and mingling in the street. Though I did go into a few clubs it was much better for me to walk around and mingle. A couple of nights I left my buddies and walked around myself. There's liquor stores and cigar shops in the area so I had no further interest in visiting the clubs in the Walled City.

I also visited Androgeno – I went twice because of the group we were with. Great sights but it's a club and the crowd starts late. El Parsiso Del Marino was nice and I wish I went back.

One day we went to San Basilio de Palenque (excursion). It was nice but it's not one hour from Cartagena, it was raining, driver didn't know what he was doing and I probably would have been more educated by watching YouTube videos or WiKi (which I did afterwards).

The next day we walked down Carrera #2 in Bocagrande. Casa de cambio (at some point I just used the ATM), picked up some miscellaneous items and went to the beach. A lot of restaurants, bars, tiendas, shops, vendors, etc. On Carrera #2. There was someone almost every other block that had the hookup on things.

The beach is amazing! Though I've never been to Sosua I imagine it's a similar vibe, but it was amazing to see the Colombian and Venezuelan women.

I was aware that many people had problems with vendors at the beach and servers. 1) I never sat down so didn't get bothered with anyone. 2) I ordered all my drinks directly with the cashier. I got a printed receipt every time I made a purchase, 1 Club Colombia beer is $2. 15, $9000 COP, the bar does charge a 10% service fee. One night at Androgeno I ordered 12 beers for $72.34. I saw no requirements that if you enter the beach you have to purchase food and drinks from the vendors, FYI.

The beach closes at 6 and the police will make you aware you have to leave. I went back to the beach by myself another day and had a great time. Keep your phone charged and use the WhatsApp QR code. It was funny when I would let someone scan my QR code and then her friend would scan my code also.

It's hot, humid and will rain. I found some stylish water shoes on Amazon that I wear to the beach. At night it was shorts and polo's (moisture-wick).

Some friends did a boat ride to an island, but it didn't seem economical for me (price and no food or drinks); comparing it to my DR experiences, etc.

I'm always a good host at an Airbnb so keep my refrigerator stocked with rotisserie chicken and beer.

Anything that you purchase / buy always ask for the price in advance, do some Q and A.

First visit and a very fun experience.

Apologies, I have not devoted time to purchasing bitcoin so don't have access to DMs. I probably could have mailed in a payment, but I got rid of my printer. I'm working on it.

Hello and thank you to everyone for your continuous contributions to the forum. I was wondering if the activity in the walled city has amped up after the construction and Mayor regulations. I was there in May and only went to the walled city once for nightlife but it was extremely slow. I think we went to Club Space which I think was called Omni at the time and at 1 am it was only a handful of people there.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2933427]In Soho, London I was able get a descent girl in the Walk-Ups for only 30 and these are not SW's. Some are of middle eastern descent, some are Brits, some are Latina, some are eastern European.[/QUOTE]Where are the Walk-Ups? Visiting for the 1st time and wanted to know the best street or streets to go to find the available girls.

[QUOTE=WorldWideWes;2947332]Hello and thank you to everyone for your continuous contributions to the forum. I was wondering if the activity in the walled city has amped up after the construction and Mayor regulations. I was there in May and only went to the walled city once for nightlife but it was extremely slow. I think we went to Club Space which I think was called Omni at the time and at 1 am it was only a handful of people there.[/QUOTE]I'm here in Cartagena now. Cartagena is not what it used to be. I would skip it and go to Medellin. Quality of women had gone down by a lot.

[QUOTE=Billo83;2947523]Where are the Walk-Ups? Visiting for the 1st time and wanted to know the best street or streets to go to find the available girls.[/QUOTE]Where are you visiting for the first time?

Hi ISGers.

I haven't been to Cartagena since 2018; but going back in a month. I heard a lot of things have changed. Some bars / clubs have been shutdown, no traffic at the clock tower but girls are dispersed; is there a good area nearby to stay where the action is? Any ideas on hotels that are guest friendly. Going to be rolling solo this time. Apologizes if this question doesn't belong in here.

[QUOTE=Hotsamosa;2949199]Hi ISGers.

I haven't been to Cartagena since 2018; but going back in a month. I heard a lot of things have changed. Some bars / clubs have been shutdown, no traffic at the clock tower but girls are dispersed; is there a good area nearby to stay where the action is? Any ideas on hotels that are guest friendly. Going to be rolling solo this time. Apologizes if this question doesn't belong in here.[/QUOTE]I literary just said shit is going to get really interesting around Halloween and the closer it get to Christmas, you have not been there since the pandemic hit and want to do a return solo trip?

No dar papaya. Save your trip until the third week of January unless you want to be a walking target.

[QUOTE=WorldWideWes;2947332]Hello and thank you to everyone for your continuous contributions to the forum. I was wondering if the activity in the walled city has amped up after the construction and Mayor regulations. I was there in May and only went to the walled city once for nightlife but it was extremely slow. I think we went to Club Space which I think was called Omni at the time and at 1 am it was only a handful of people there.[/QUOTE]No. They now have a snitch hotline where anyone can report what's going on and cops come and "investigate". People are posting that they have AirBB with no security and cops knocking on their door within minutes after a chica arrives to "investigate". They are also using drones to locate the girls inside the wall city to make it harder for them to work. Many of my girls who have not found a suggar daddy to support them monthly tell me its getting harder to work because they are constantly walking, and no gringos are there.

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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2940144]I dare to ask who has been in town recently: did it change a bit? I do not hope a full recovery, but something?

I see most recent comments about the beach and Bocagrande, but how is the Reloy area now at night? Still fenced? Still the police car playing the ear-breaking siren every 10 minutes to push the people out of the square? (ALL the people, whatever category, tourists, girls, sellers,.).

And what are the hot clubs downtown now?

I RTFF, but in the last months I did not see good news. I have been there in February. Not less girls than before, but SPREAD all around downtown instead of being gethered at Reloy. The city was a huge puteria at night. Good job Mr. Alcade LOL.

I will be back in November. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The clubs in Centro won't have chicas that you're looking for. Chicas that are there will be with mongers. Its done for clubs in Centro, only the ones in Bosque and that's the hood.

Too close to Christmas.

No dar papaya.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2949266]I literary just said shit is going to get really interesting around Halloween and the closer it get to Christmas, you have not been there since the pandemic hit and want to do a return solo trip?

No dar papaya. Save your trip until the third week of January unless you want to be a walking target.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I'm going to be in South America already traveling so figured I'd stop back there for a few days on my way back. Damn. Sorry missed your original post.

Once you see packs of Afro Americans arriving you know the party is about to end. Loud, cheap and love attention and no respect for the culture -- not all.

If you find paradise you probably shouldn't post. Internet has ruined modern day mongering.

[QUOTE=Adinga;2949526]Once you see packs of Afro Americans arriving you know the party is about to end. Loud, cheap and love attention and no respect for the culture -- not all.

If you find paradise you probably shouldn't post. Internet has ruined modern day mongering.[/QUOTE]Its not necessarily "Afro Americans", its who's emulating the hip hop culture of being loud or attention seeking. I can assure you the many Indians, Colombians, Venezuelans, Mexicans, and Hispanics are doing it as well, its the culture that is portrayed that has always been the problem. Why do you think these "tour guides" like Danger the hook up and Goldie walking around in Colombia with Jordans, construction Timberlands, pants sagging and fitteds? They know who what to emulate to attract who they want to do business with. Same with the 2 cuts in their eyebrows, we know what culture that comes from and what to expect when too much of a similar appearance gather in one location.

I'm currently in Montreal and seeing the same thing, Jordans, Yankee fitted that Pop Smoke song play at least 5 times a night, girls out here looking like cartoon characters with lashes so heavy they can barely keep their eyes open, being loud in the streets trying to get attention. When I get away from these individuals with this certain type of look where they are all emulating each other, things are better.

To sum it up, a certain attire more or less brings along a certain type of behavior and that behavior ruin things for the next person who is not part of that crowd.

[QUOTE=Adinga;2949526]Once you see packs of Afro Americans arriving you know the party is about to end. Loud, cheap and love attention and no respect for the culture -- not all.[/QUOTE]So who is responsible for the crazy prices of Sosua, Cartagena, and to a certain extent Medellin these days?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2949284]The clubs in Centro won't have chicas that you're looking for. Chicas that are there will be with mongers. Its done for clubs in Centro, only the ones in Bosque and that's the hood.Too close to Christmas.
No dar papaya.[/QUOTE]I will be 4 days in CTG in November, and it's not a mongering holiday I planned. It's a side relax time after business trip. If I want to relax with girls, I go to Asia.

However, my main question is still unanswered: is the Reloy area still fenced at night? Or has it beed freed?

Are girls still spread all around, since the main gathering area is lost? When there are girls, I can find my way.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2949730]I will be 4 days in CTG in November, and it's not a mongering holiday I planned. It's a side relax time after business trip. If I want to relax with girls, I go to Asia.

However, my main question is still unanswered: is the Reloy area still fenced at night? Or has it beed freed?.[/QUOTE]Forget about the clock tower or street walkers in tourist areas. The mayor is set on getting rid of that, and he has the support of the citizens.

Mr. Enternational wrote a post about Hollywood Beach and the clubs a while back. And keep it on the down low. You are being watched and do not want to be seen bringing in multiple hookers to an upscale hotel or airBNB. If you want to do see multiple women, I would look at taking women to the abundant and cheap sex hotels. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2949730]I will be 4 days in CTG in November, and it's not a mongering holiday I planned. It's a side relax time after business trip. If I want to relax with girls, I go to Asia.

However, my main question is still unanswered: is the Reloy area still fenced at night? Or has it beed freed?

Are girls still spread all around, since the main gathering area is lost? When there are girls, I can find my way.[/QUOTE]Just got back from CTG last night. Centro is no longer fenced in. There is a lot of cops that keep telling sellers and girls to keep moving. They can no longer just stand in one spot.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2949730]I will be 4 days in CTG in November, and it's not a mongering holiday I planned. It's a side relax time after business trip. If I want to relax with girls, I go to Asia.

However, my main question is still unanswered: is the Reloy area still fenced at night? Or has it beed freed?

Are girls still spread all around, since the main gathering area is lost? When there are girls, I can find my way.[/QUOTE]I asked a few of my chicas and was told that they closed Centro again yesterday. The barricades are blocking certain streets to prevent cars from entering.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2949027]Where are you visiting for the first time?[/QUOTE]Top left of the page will tell you what country / city the tread is about, hope this helps "BUD" anything else I can help with please feel free to reach out "BUD" !

Maybe coffee sometime fruit loops? Travel safe and have fun!

[QUOTE=RacShack;2950135]Top left of the page will tell you what country / city the tread is about, hope this helps "BUD" anything else I can help with please feel free to reach out "BUD" !

Maybe coffee sometime fruit loops? Travel safe and have fun![/QUOTE]I know what city this thread is but if you had any knowledge about how to follow a conversation back to it's original point you would know the reason for the question I asked. No need for the name calling. It shows immaturity.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2934715]One of the guys got up like he was going to the bathroom, turned around, bent over, and paused. He was fucking losing it. We had to grab him and get him back seated, and treat him for heat stroke. I told them it was hot as fuck in that room. I called Indriver to bring him back to their place where there was definitely cold AC. The girl he had came with me to help nurse him. The rest of the people came later.

We had plans to check out Androgeno, but because of that incident the plans fell though and everyone decided to stay inside. The ones that already had chicks with their chicks. I was happy because I was already sleepy as fuck.

The chicks were hitting me up after I left asking if I was still there.[/QUOTE]When I left their apartment at Miami whatever it was called, there were about 3 streetwalkers outside. One came up to me but I acted like I could not speak Spanish. She wanted 200,000 for 1 hour. I talked her to 100,000. After she agreed, I started speaking to her in Spanish. She was Venezuelan. We made the short walk to my hotel. She gave the clerk some paper ID shit that he copied and we went up to the room. In the room she tried to suck with a rubber, but I told her no, no, no. She was quickly comfortable doing BBBJ. Good time fucking. I tore that little pussy up!

The next morning I took Indrive to Berlinastur for 12,000 pesos. When I got out, some guy was offering a ride to Barranquilla for 100,000. I said no thanks and went up to buy my van ticket for 35,000 and arrived in Quilla about 1 hour 45 minutes later.

Don't remember where I took this picture saying not to shit in this toilet.

The bar at Hollywood has been closed, It's just the beginning of the eventual crackdown which will probably include the palmetto sunset before too long.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2950536]When I left their apartment at Miami whatever it was called, there were about 3 streetwalkers outside. One came up to me but I acted like I could not speak Spanish. She wanted 200,000 for 1 hour. I talked her to 100,000. After she agreed, I started speaking to her in Spanish. She was Venezuelan. We made the short walk to my hotel. She gave the clerk some paper ID shit that he copied and we went up to the room. In the room she tried to suck with a rubber, but I told her no, no, no. She was quickly comfortable doing BBBJ. Good time fucking. I tore that little pussy up!

The next morning I took Indrive to Berlinastur for 12,000 pesos. When I got out, some guy was offering a ride to Barranquilla for 100,000. I said no thanks and went up to buy my van ticket for 35,000 and arrived in Quilla about 1 hour 45 minutes later.

Don't remember where I took this picture saying not to shit in this toilet.[/QUOTE]It took me some getting used to about seeing those signs during my early trips. Many chicas were getting mad at me when I stayed in AirBB houses because I was flushing toilet paper, Qtips and wet wipes. All of which were abe to break down into paper and not cog. In the high rise apartments no issues, it was only the houses. Guess they don't have a city sewer line and every house have their own septic tank, but that's just a guess.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2950656]The bar at Hollywood has been closed, It's just the beginning of the eventual crackdown which will probably include the palmetto sunset before too long.[/QUOTE]They are preparing for the holiday season, I believe its this Mayors first Christmas and he knows what type of people comes at what time of year, he knows what to do to deter certain types of people from coming there and to attract the people he does. Its unfortune but those who like to do certain things have to find a new area or travel when there are no American holidays to extend their trip. Right now I'm exploring other places and Montreal is not it, I can't wait to leave tomorrow.

If you are referring to the building it has aways been terrible. For a building that's the tallest in El Laguito with incredible views of the sunset them rules has to go. My first argument was the visitor hours, my second was didn't know I had to "reserve" a time slot to use the pool, my third argument was when they didn't let my Chica up on her revisit because she didn't have her physical ID despite she was there as a visitor 2 days before and they already had her in the system when they gave her the visitor wristband. The bats! Them noisy bats when we trying to party in the jacuzzi on the balcony.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2950241]I know what city this thread is but if you had any knowledge about how to follow a conversation back to it's original point you would know the reason for the question I asked. No need for the name calling. It shows immaturity.[/QUOTE]Like the post you sent to me, that mods deleted when all I was doing was trying to help you out as a gentleman, and your response which was correct (I didn't know) you berated me with lots of smart ass remarks instead of teaching me the way I thought I was helping you out? Like that BUD?

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[QUOTE=Nypher;2950804]They are preparing for the holiday season, I believe its this Mayors first Christmas and he knows what type of people comes at what time of year, he knows what to do to deter certain types of people from coming there and to attract the people he does. Its unfortune but those who like to do certain things have to find a new area or travel when there are no American holidays to extend their trip. Right now I'm exploring other places and Montreal is not it, I can't wait to leave tomorrow.

If you are referring to the building it has aways been terrible. For a building that's the tallest in El Laguito with incredible views of the sunset them rules has to go. My first argument was the visitor hours, my second was didn't know I had to "reserve" a time slot to use the pool, my third argument was when they didn't let my Chica up on her revisit because she didn't have her physical ID despite she was there as a visitor 2 days before and they already had her in the system when they gave her the visitor wristband. The bats! Them noisy bats when we trying to party in the jacuzzi on the balcony.[/QUOTE]All the Youtube videos and selfie stick reports have become a big eyesore for the government, all the druggings and gang activity that I predicted a few years ago have become a big problem.

The area at Hollywood in front of the bar has been targeted in Titan 25, first checking on the girls, and the large group s of brothers are next to go, as they destroyed Sosua thet have to go.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2949730]I will be 4 days in CTG in November, and it's not a mongering holiday I planned. It's a side relax time after business trip. If I want to relax with girls, I go to Asia.

However, my main question is still unanswered: is the Reloy area still fenced at night? Or has it beed freed?

Are girls still spread all around, since the main gathering area is lost? When there are girls, I can find my way.[/QUOTE]You will have no problems if you are discreet and respectful.

Blocks are closed and then open. Its a cattle situation.

Just as a public service. These obvious red flags for druggings.

1). Girl doesn't ask for money and says she is not a hooker.

2). Usually invites a friend with the hint of a three some.

3) You meet her on Tinder.

4) Asks you to go to her place or meet in the street.

5) Often checks her cell phone.

If you see a. Gorl in the Clock Tower area. Ask for her Whats App. Walk away and then text her immediately to discuss.

Don't linger or walk around the area, assume you are being watched.

Its not a big deal, but its safe to be careful right now.

Wow my trip to ctg was such a let down after visiting MDE. CTG didn't find a single girl who was skinny or just right, almost all just ugly or overweight for me. The girls in the walled city all wanted over 500,000 cop in each encounter. I speak some Spanish but couldn't get any to be under 300,000 cop. Don't think I will visit ctg unless there are pre planned contacts and hot ladies. Most were very thick and dark skinned from outside of Colombia. Anyone with contacts / pics of decently priced under $125 usd girls message me for CTG because I didn't find any and would hate to cross of this city. Also anyone know of any places in BAQ message me, as I mongered there and didn't find a single place in BAQ. No girl bars / clubs or places with working girls.

[QUOTE=DesiDon;2951325]Wow my trip to ctg was such a let down after visiting MDE. CTG didn't find a single girl who was skinny or just right, almost all just ugly or overweight for me. The girls in the walled city all wanted over 500,000 cop in each encounter. I speak some Spanish but couldn't get any to be under 300,000 cop. Don't think I will visit ctg unless there are pre planned contacts and hot ladies. Also anyone know of any places in BAQ message me, as I mongered there and didn't find a single place in BAQ. No girl bars / clubs or places with working girls.[/QUOTE]Did you not read the forum before going to either place? I am in Barranquilla now, but really only deal with chicks who are not hookers. The hooker game is all online now. So get on mileroticos and find a chick to go to. Why do guys travel expecting to find things that don"t exist?

Tried to pm you but for some reason the site won't let me. BAQ has a lot of options. You could start with zero stress spa. It's easy to find well known and cheap. It's open until late too. I use worldtravelers map when I am there and I have been to several spas and casas. Feel free to PM me for more info.

[QUOTE=DesiDon;2951325]Wow my trip to ctg was such a let down after visiting MDE. CTG didn't find a single girl who was skinny or just right, almost all just ugly or overweight for me. The girls in the walled city all wanted over 500,000 cop in each encounter. I speak some Spanish but couldn't get any to be under 300,000 cop. Don't think I will visit ctg unless there are pre planned contacts and hot ladies. Most were very thick and dark skinned from outside of Colombia. Anyone with contacts / pics of decently priced under $125 usd girls message me for CTG because I didn't find any and would hate to cross of this city. Also anyone know of any places in BAQ message me, as I mongered there and didn't find a single place in BAQ. No girl bars / clubs or places with working girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DesiDon;2951325]Wow my trip to ctg was such a let down after visiting MDE. CTG didn't find a single girl who was skinny or just right, almost all just ugly or overweight for me. The girls in the walled city all wanted over 500,000 cop in each encounter. I speak some Spanish but couldn't get any to be under 300,000 cop. Don't think I will visit ctg unless there are pre planned contacts and hot ladies. Most were very thick and dark skinned from outside of Colombia. Anyone with contacts / pics of decently priced under $125 usd girls message me for CTG because I didn't find any and would hate to cross of this city. Also anyone know of any places in BAQ message me, as I mongered there and didn't find a single place in BAQ. No girl bars / clubs or places with working girls.[/QUOTE]I don't understand why people continuously do this.

Another poster comes along comparing MDE to CTG.

Wants "hot ladies" but fail to say what they consider to be a "hot lady".

Wants people to message them but don't have PMs.

Also RTFF, here are 3 of my posts that kind of explains why things are the way they are. TLDR. Titan24.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2898698&viewfull=1#post2898698[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2908044&viewfull=1#post2908044[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2914037&viewfull=1#post2914037[/URL]

We used to have ladies come down from Bogota + Medellin to hang out on the beach and make a little cash because the seen down at Playa Hollywood has changed these ladies don't come down as much It is what it is. Most of the people I know who've been coming to Cartagena for a will not go to Hollywood.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2952143]We used to have ladies come down from Bogota + Medellin to hang out on the beach and make a little cash because the seen down at Playa Hollywood has changed these ladies don't come down as much It is what it is. Most of the people I know who've been coming to Cartagena for a will not go to Hollywood.[/QUOTE]When I was there at the end of July they were there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2952160]When I was there at the end of July they were there.[/QUOTE]Sounds like we were there at the same time.

There were certainly plenty of women, that particular beach has become so crowded and noisy that I have to stay further down. I just wander in the afternoons to have a look.

I tend to agree with Nypher about what has evolved on that beach. I have better luck on Tinder or referrals from my local friends.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2949761]Just got back from CTG last night. Centro is no longer fenced in. There is a lot of cops that keep telling sellers and girls to keep moving. They can no longer just stand in one spot.[/QUOTE]I was there August 14-28. It was the same way, but unlike my last trip (a year ago), I had a great time. I did get a little more adventurous and avoided the clock tower (and El Centro) for the most part, but when I was there, women didn't approach me like in the past. This was great because I would rather approach someone I like than have random desperate women try to talk to me. I Quickly found that drinks were much, much cheaper elsewhere and that even at my old age, women were open to talking to me and hanging out. My Spanish sucks. Well, it's not terrible, but I had a horrible time understanding anyone that spoke to me (probably their accent and word choice). Went to a few massage places (avoid "Latinos Massage" or something like that). The massage places were cheap and I got HEs at all of them (like $50 total). Just google men's massage and you'll find them. There are 4 that I tried. I even went to someone's incall in a bad neighborhood.

I think I was at Dolce. They wanted me to buy a bottle for $100 to sit down. I looked around and saw dozens of women sitting without even a drink in their hand. But if I wanted to sit, I needed to pay $100. I at least had bought a drink. So, that was the one and only time I went there.

I'll be there again in a week or so. I generally stay at a guest friendly AirBnb about a mile walk from El Centro.

I got a chick up in Riohacha that wants to get tag teamed if 2 friends are up for it. Also can do one on one. Please PM me for details. No $ involved.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2955125]It's crazy how all these "YouTubers" who just started traveling to these same exact countries all of a sudden became experts on traveling and posting travel guides.[/QUOTE]I second and agree with you 100%.
It is particularly humourous to read "They break down how to deal with prostitutes in Colombia. " ROFL.
The OP must be one of them trying to promote a pointless YT channel and increase traffic.

First of all, thanks to all who spent time to reply. Apologies if I ack and thank after a long time.

I will be in CTG in 3 weeks, after one week in Medellin for work. I will have not much time for fun in Medellin, except exploring the Centro at night. I hope that 10 years of absence did not change it too much, and did not make me naif enough with aging to get in trouble for my fault.

I also thank for all advices, but it seems that some did not remember that I have been playing in CTG for almost 20 years already. My first time was around 2006, when the Wall at night was the border between the safe Tower and the wild lonely space with gangs of ladrones outside. Even most of the walled city at night was too lonely to be safe.

To be sure about the year, I searched for my first report in this thread and I found this:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=537700&viewfull=1#post537700[/URL]
What a nostalgy! Reading this after so many years makes me smile about how naively enthusiast I was. I especially laughed when I read "I am handsome". Embarrassing.

If we leave security apart, as a matter of fact CTG is NOT the dream place anymore for cheap and wild girls it was used to be, but this holds at least since before COVID. Now, it's another world.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2951220]You will have no problems if you are discreet and respectful.[/QUOTE]That are the wisest words I read in many pages. It should be pinned on top of the thread.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2949761]Just got back from CTG last night. Centro is no longer fenced in. There is a lot of cops that keep telling sellers and girls to keep moving. They can no longer just stand in one spot.[/QUOTE]It's GREAT to hear that. It sounds to be the best balance between a cattle fence and the excesses of "puteria" before. I also hope the barbarians from US and stupid Youtubers will be discouraged enough to make noise and nonsense here.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2949753]Forget about the clock tower or street walkers in tourist areas. The mayor is set on getting rid of that, and he has the support of the citizens.
[/QUOTE]Well, I hope you are wrong. At least, you were wrong when I visited CTG last time, which was last February. There was the cattle fence, police doing their best to push people (any people, girls, men, casual tourists) away from the square playing the ear-breaking siren every 10 minutes after midnight, but the Centro was full of girls roaming around. A lot of girls. Just not standing in the square, but walking the streets around.

My impressions from last February:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2890538&viewfull=1#post2890538[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2891856&viewfull=1#post2891856[/URL]

We'll see.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2949753]You are being watched and do not want to be seen bringing in multiple hookers to an upscale hotel or airBNB. If you want to do see multiple women, I would look at taking women to the abundant and cheap sex hotels. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]As above, I have beeing playing here for nearly 20 years I rent an apartment. Porteros are my best support and resource. Thank you anyway for caring.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2955289]
Well, I hope you are wrong. At least, you were wrong when I visited CTG last time, which was last February. There was the cattle fence, police doing their best to push people (any people, girls, men, casual tourists) away from the square playing the ear-breaking siren every 10 minutes after midnight, but the Centro was full of girls roaming around. A lot of girls. Just not standing in the square, but walking the streets around.
[/QUOTE]I was there a few weeks ago, and yeah, the groups of women who you see around who are walking who might be hookers are still out. I probably saw a dozen women like this out. They do not have on the typical hooker decor I saw years ago. I guess the goal now is to blend in better and look like you are headed to a restaurant or club.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2955125]It's crazy how all these "YouTubers" who just started traveling to these same exact countries all of a sudden became experts on traveling and posting travel guides.

These channels are a bunch of nonsense where they constantly repeat the same BS over and over and turns into a yelling match where some believe the louder they yell the more right their argument becomes and it drown out any valid point they are trying to make.

Fact is the majority of those people in the travel space still act like they are in high school.

I rather watch at LIFEOFUNCJAE who not only lives in Cartagena but gives day to day advice on his actual experiences a foreigner trying to progress in Colombia from dating to buying property to investing. Well worth my personal attention over a questionable stripclub DJ form Miami. To each his own.[/QUOTE]They have actually been traveling for years. They had an original channel that was at 20 K subs but got banned on youtube for posting those free travel guides on youtube. They have now moved them to patreon, however their Cartagena & Medellin breakdowns are legendary and had millions of views a few years back. They are originally what I watched to helped me travel to CTG safely for the first time. In their Patreon they actually showed that they went down to CTG a few weeks ago and Unc Jae posted a picture with them on his youtube so I guess they are friends.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2955284]I second and agree with you 100%.
It is particularly humourous to read "They break down how to deal with prostitutes in Colombia. " ROFL.
The OP must be one of them trying to promote a pointless YT channel and increase traffic.[/QUOTE]This is a International Sex Guide website isn't it? As far as I am concerned the main purpose of a website and forum called "International Sex Guide" would be to provide information to men on how to deal with prostitutes and not where to purchase property, buy farms, and raise cattle.

Anyway, to those of you who are interested you can check Mentuition out on YouTube. Good show and good information. This is coming from an old fart that has been traveling for over 30 years. The fact is many men are getting robbed, drugged, or killed in Colombia and this type of content NEEDS to exist or more men won't make it back home. We just had someone die last week in Poblado in Medellin due to a drugging from a sex worker.

If you are not interested then you can simply move along.

Hey guys,

I'm going to Cartagena in January for two weeks. I need to start booking soon but what hotels / air bnb's would you recommend for a two week stay that's cost friendly and near the action?

[QUOTE=CtgCharlieBoy1;2955617]This is a International Sex Guide website isn't it? As far as I am concerned the main purpose of a website and forum called "International Sex Guide" would be to provide information to men on how to deal with prostitutes and not where to purchase property, buy farms, and raise cattle.

Anyway, to those of you who are interested you can check Mentuition out on YouTube. Good show and good information. This is coming from an old fart that has been traveling for over 30 years. The fact is many men are getting robbed, drugged, or killed in Colombia and this type of content NEEDS to exist or more men won't make it back home. We just had someone die last week in Poblado in Medellin due to a drugging from a sex worker.

If you are not interested then you can simply move along.[/QUOTE]The same robbing, drugging, killing is happening right here in good ole USA in greater numbers. No one wants to talk about what happens in Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, NYC, LA, and DC. Club owner just got drugged and robbed recently in Atlanta from women. People are getting set up on the dating app right here at home but it's not talked about much due to other more eye catching news that generates clicks.

Ok humor me. "as an old fart that have been traveling for 30 years" what information "when dealing with prostitutes" have you specifically learned from their channel that you didn't already know from your personal experience or from second hand experience through friends and family?

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[QUOTE=CK465;2955851]Hey guys,

I'm going to Cartagena in January for two weeks. I need to start booking soon but what hotels / airbnb's would you recommend for a two week stay that's cost friendly and near the action?[/QUOTE]CK thanks for asking and this is a great question!

If you are traveling to CTG for your first time, the Walled City or Boca Grande would be best if you want to be close to the action. The Walled City will have a lot of street walkers once the sun goes down and night clubs. You can also check out Club Omnia or Club Cattleya (the new Dolce Vita) in the Walled City.

If you stay in Boca Grande I would suggest hitting up Playa Hollywood (Hollywood Beach) during the day and hitting the streets of Boca Grande at night. There are usually working women walking around everywhere.

AirBnB is typically better but you need to make sure the place is guest friendly which is harder and harder to find nowadays. Check your DMs and I will send you some places that are good to stay at.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2955879]Vague questions gets you vague answers.

RTFF lots of changes happens to that area.

Have you already made yourself familiar with Titan24?

What is cost friendly to you?

Does location matter? Hot water? Security? A pool? What action are you looking for? Clubs? Girls? Drugs?[/QUOTE]My bad.

I'll be heading over there in early January. Looking to be there for 2 weeks.

I'm looking for a cost effective place, whether a Air BNB or hotel that's guest friendly, close to the Clock Tower, and has security.

My guy in Cartagena tells me that Dolce has reopened two blocks away from where it use to be. Anyone else can confirm this?

[QUOTE=CtgCharlieBoy1;2955617]This is a International Sex Guide website isn't it? As far as I am concerned the main purpose of a website and forum called "International Sex Guide" would be to provide information to men on how to deal with prostitutes.

Anyway, to those of you who are interested you can check Mentuition out on YouTube.[/QUOTE]You are correct about the purpose of this site, or at least the intended purpose; however, the videos on Mentuition merely look like infomercials to subscribe to their paid site. They know a lot of information about things like guest friendly accommodations but only offer the information if you're a paying member.

[QUOTE=Givency;2956228]My guy in Cartagena tells me that Dolce has reopened two blocks away from where it use to be. Anyone else can confirm this?[/QUOTE]The new club is called Santa Cattleya. It is open for business and there are working girls there.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2956232]You are correct about the purpose of this site, or at least the intended purpose; however, the videos on Mentuition merely look like infomercials to subscribe to their paid site. They know a lot of information about things like guest friendly accommodations but only offer the information if you're a paying member.[/QUOTE]There is tons of free information on their Patreon maybe they took it down recently but they do also give out good info and updates on CTG on their live YouTube show. Many creators have resorted to off key sites like Rumble and even paywalled websites like Patreon because YouTube is too sensitive. I would suspect that if Rumble ever gets popular they will censor and take down videos as well.

And then of course sometimes information will also cost you money. This website is full of great information but we all had to pay to be apart of it.

Let me know what information you want and maybe I can help or recommend other places you can get info from.

Does anyone know if the caliwood bar on hollywood beach is open again??

I'm in Cartagena for the next 9 days. I generally go after "normal" looking women. Meaning if you can tell they are working, I'm not interested. I generally look for women that want to hang out, dance, are fun to be around and are attractive to me (cute face first, then nice ass, boobs are a bonus), but I have no issue with less attractive women that are cool and fun to be around.

I have zero interest in a chica whose only goal is to get back to your room and spend an hour and then leave. No how matter how fantastic she looks. I'm also not really price conscious, I will pay much more than the going rate for a cool lady that wants to hang out, have some drinks and dance. I live in Seattle and a fat, ugly woman with a poor attitude is $500, so while it seems some guys here are complaining about paying $100. I have no issues with paying that and more (I do have a limit, I don't want the drive up the prices).

Anyway, if someone is in town and is somewhat like minded, message me a,nd we can go out looking together.

[QUOTE=CtgCharlieBoy1;2956164]CK thanks for asking and this is a great question! Rather than add zero value to your question like this Nypher guy likes to do. I will actually help you.

If you are traveling to CTG for your first time, the Walled City or Boca Grande would be best if you want to be close to the action. The Walled City will have a lot of street walkers once the sun goes down and night clubs. You can also check out Club Omnia or Club Cattleya (the new Dolce Vita) in the Walled City.

If you stay in Boca Grande I would suggest hitting up Playa Hollywood (Hollywood Beach) during the day and hitting the streets of Boca Grande at night. There are usually working women walking around everywhere.

AirBnB is typically better but you need to make sure the place is guest friendly which is harder and harder to find nowadays. Check your DMs and I will send you some places that are good to stay at.[/QUOTE]Thanks, man,

Send me that list of Air BNB's. I got my tickets, I just got to get the place now. The longer I wait the more I miss out. LOL.

The clock tower area has dozens of police and very few girls. The police seem to be chasing off the girls in that area. The streets inside the walls near the clock tower have quite a few girls walking around and some even approached us. That said, there were police officers everywhere on those streets and some were even walking down the street taking the entire street width about fifteen abreast.

[QUOTE=Sinbad76;2956734]Does anyone know if the caliwood bar on hollywood beach is open again??[/QUOTE]This place is a staple on Hollywood Beach and yes it is still open. From what I understand the new mayor is cracking down on the beach, there are police there, and it closes at 6 PM everyday. I heard the beach was closed a few weeks ago entirely but Caliwood is 100% still there and so are the chicas.

[QUOTE=CtgCharlieBoy1;2957180]This place is a staple on Hollywood Beach and yes it is still open. From what I understand the new mayor is cracking down on the beach, there are police there, and it closes at 6 PM everyday. I heard the beach was closed a few weeks ago entirely but Caliwood is 100% still there and so are the chicas.[/QUOTE]I'm in Cartagena right now and probably did the stupidest thing ever. I walked from my Airbnb in El Cabrero to Hollywood Beach. I've been here a few times now and had never been to Hollywood Beach, so since it has been meihere, I thought I'd check it out.

My first act of stupidity was choosing to walk. I do walk a little to stay healthy and figured that the 3+ miles walk would be good for me. That would be fine if I wasn't in such a miserably hot place. I brought a half gallon of water with me which was gone after mile 2. I literally thought I was going to die but I was completely soaked in sweat and couldn't get into someone's Uber without thoroughly pissing them off.

So, I get to Hollywood Beach. Disappointing is an understatement. That place sucked. I was harassed to no end. People wanting to find me chicas, to sell me illegal substances, massages from gross women to food you couldn't pay me to eat. It was constant and unending. As far as people (and I'm sorry if this offends some of you) it was basically groups of trashy men leering at the few women that were there whose bikinis probably would have looked great on them about 30 - 40 lbs ago. I understand everyone has a "type" but I think the vast majority of us would not have found the women attractive. Also, I shouldn't have to say this, but men, socks and sandals should never occur. Socks and sandals on the beach is simply stupid.

Which gets me back to my 3rd bit of stupidity. I lasted about 15 minutes at the beach and figured ID relax and have a drink before I Uber back. I somehow got turned around and ended up walking circles around Bocagrande. So the tally:

5. 4 miles walking (per my phone).

0 hot women; about 15-20 total.

About 100 men leering at them.

3 hours wasted.

Never again.

Other than that it has been pretty productive. Went to a couple massage places for a great massage with happy ending. They have to work on their marketing though. The message with happy ending is $50-80 and during the massage, the try and upsell sex for $100 more; in one case it was $100 for a BJ and $200 for sex. I didn't tell her, but for that much money, I can just close my eyes and pretend the happy ending is a BJ or sex, the result is going to be the same.

Went to the strip club last night, it's a good time. There are rooms in the back for sex and it's 450 mil pesos for sex. Prices for drinks are similar to the prices in the walled city.

Also, has a woman back to my room each night.

Monday was a really, really cute 19 YO I found on mileroticos. $60/ HR to my room. As with all of the younger ones, she was lame. Was "ticklish" and really couldn't do much with her because she was "too ticklish". Eventually booted her from the room (nicely). It was $60 and I don't have the energy to deal with BS.

Tuesday, ran into a natural redhead in the street. Texted her at 3 am and she literally was at my door within 5 minutes $100 + 20 mil pesos can. As expected with a redhead, she could fuck.

Wednesday, after strip club passed someone that I saw at one of the nightclubs in the street. She was drunk. Immediately latched on to me and we had incredible drunken sex until she demanded that I do her doggy. I'm going to be honest. I'm short and old. I can do doggy if they are 4-5 inches shorter than me. Otherwise, I have to get in these weird positions and get cramps and shit. I'll do prone bone. Doggy, too painful. So, she started arguing with me and I ended the session. One thing I love about Latin America is that if you don't finish, they take it personally. She kept demanding I get back and finish and I'm like, "nope, I'm done.". She angrily got dressed and left. I did give her a 50 mil pesos tip and her attitude changed (but I normally tip 100 pesos).

One thing I got from all three girls is that they have to fight with guys to get their money. All three said positive things when they saw I had their money out for them before we started. They all basically said American men always want to argue about prices after they are done. I know the guys that do that shit won't care, but this work ain't fun for them. They have families. $100 ain't shit in the US give them their money.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2957397]I shouldn't have to say this, but men, socks and sandals should never occur. Socks and sandals on the beach is simply stupid.

One thing I got from all three girls is that they have to fight with guys to get their money. ... They all basically said American men always want to argue about prices after they are done. They have families. $100 ain't shit in the US give them their money.[/QUOTE]1. Men and women from up north wear sandals only a few times / days of each year. As a result the sandal digs into their soft skin of the foot. The socks are worn to protect their feet from the roughness of the sandal, which they have not broken in yet. Generally, they wear socks for themselves and their comfort, not for your viewing pleasure. My deceased mother was one who wore socks in her sandals, and she explained the reason. Now you know. In addition, the socks absorb foot sweat and perspiration in a very hot climate, keeping the bottom of their sandal soft and wick the moisture away from their foot. And they do not give a shit what you think about their foot comfort, so why are you complaining about them! You, my friend, are the one they think are stupid. Touche.

2. Answer a. Ask Obama's security detail why they all got fired. The women did not discuss price when they agreed to spend the night and had to argue about about the money in the morning. They thought they were worth more than the security detail though and complained to the police. Answer be. Many women do not perform as agreed. They are quick to promise everything, then in the room they go straight for your frig / mini bar food and drinks, like its free for them to take whatever they please without having to ask. Then the women refuse to do BBBJ, which should be basic. If no BBBJ right away, I suggest they leave right away empty handed, and they normally comply. Answer see. If you feel sorry for the hoe and her family, then you should be a social worker and not a monger. You are a "Savahoe". Yes that's the term for someone who wants others to feel sorry for the hoe. Why don't you bring some of your hard earned money from the US and give $100 freely to Savahoe or two.

[QUOTE=CtgCharlieBoy1;2957180]From what I understand the new mayor is cracking down on the beach, there are police there, and it closes at 6 PM everyday. [/QUOTE]Cracking down on what? Every beach that I have been to in Colombia has police and closes at 6 pm. That has nothing to do with any cracking down.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2957397]They all basically said American men always want to argue about prices after they are done. I know the guys that do that shit won't care, but this work ain't fun for them. They have families. $100 ain't shit in the US give them their money.[/QUOTE]What something is or is not in the USA has nothing to do with what something is or is not in Colombia. When I am in other countries I think about that country's currency. Dollars or what something would cost somewhere else comes nowhere near my mind.

In Colombia it costs 40,000 pesos to keep a child all night. If some chick tells you she needs to pay a babysitter 300,000 or even 100,000 that may sound good if you were in USA, but you are not in USA and that person would be either playing you for a fool or is playing the role of a hooker without trying to come out and say she is a hooker.

Just ask normal people how much things cost if you do not know and use that as a guide. I have been in some parts of Colombia and hired drivers all day for $40 after negotiating. I did not say the first 10 minutes in the USA would be $40 so I should be happy to give them $100 in Colombia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2957501]What something is or is not in the USA has nothing to do with what something is or is not in Colombia. When I am in other countries I think about that country's currency. Dollars or what something would cost somewhere else comes nowhere near my mind.

In Colombia it costs 40,000 pesos to keep a child all night. If some chick tells you she needs to pay a babysitter 300,000 or even 100,000 that may sound good if you were in USA, but you are not in USA and that person would be either playing you for a fool or is playing the role of a hooker without trying to come out and say she is a hooker.

Just ask normal people how much things cost if you do not know and use that as a guide. I have been in some parts of Colombia and hired drivers all day for $40 after negotiating. I did not say the first 10 minutes in the USA would be $40 so I should be happy to give them $100 in Colombia.[/QUOTE]My point is that if you agree to X dollars then pay them X dollars. Don't wait until you're done and make up excuses for not paying the full amount. Do you do you go to restaurants and decide how much you want to pay after you eat? Do you go to the barber and start arguing about the price you agreed on after it done? Then why is it okay here? It's not $100 bucks or $50 bucks or whatever locals pay, it's the fact you agreed to a price and then went back on your word after she did her job. That's simply shitty and inexcusable.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2957541]My point is that if you agree to X dollars then pay them X dollars. Don't wait until you're done and make up excuses for not paying the full amount.[/QUOTE]I agree with that. But as HH pointed out, it is most of the time these chicks that change the deal or do not make a deal, but still have expectations on what you should give.

It is like if you ask for cheese on your burger and you pay for cheese on your burger, then the cashier comes and says no cheese for you. I do not know many people that would say nevermind and just walk out of the door having paid for something and not getting it.

There was also a time I was in Dominican Republic buying fish and I kept asking for a price and the guy kept saying do not worry about it. When I finished eating, he came with a price double of what it actually costs anywhere else. I told him F you and paid the price I knew it to be everywhere else.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2957548]I agree with that. But as HH pointed out, it is most of the time these chicks that change the deal or do not make a deal, but still have expectations on what you should give.

It is like if you ask for cheese on your burger and you pay for cheese on your burger, then the cashier comes and says no cheese for you. I do not know many people that would say nevermind and just walk out of the door having paid for something and not getting it.

There was also a time I was in Dominican Republic buying fish and I kept asking for a price and the guy kept saying do not worry about it. When I finished eating, he came with a price double of what it actually costs anywhere else. I told him F you and paid the price I knew it to be everywhere else.[/QUOTE]I do get what you're saying. I think I mentioned before that I live in Seattle. A fat ugly woman with a shitty attitude is $300. Even the crackheads are charging $350. To get anything like you see here you are easily upwards of $500. So, when I get an attractive 19 YO, that is "ticklish" for $60. I think I still got a hot 19 YO, who won't let me do anything but fuck her, then it's just $60. I have zero issues walking over $60. Sometimes I get screwed over, but in Latin America it's really rare that I encounter that. At least for me, most women I encounter seem to hold up their end of the bargain. I mentioned drunk chick on Wednesday who kept insisting I do doggy when I didn't want to. When I ended the session, she was adamant that I finish and argued with me for about 5 minutes before she got dressed and left angry that I didn't leche. Shit, at home, she would've ran out the door before I changed my mind.

I think when I'm in Sosua service is a little worse. But shit I'm paying $40-50 bucks. At that price, just hold still and I'm good.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2957548]
There was also a time I was in Dominican Republic buying fish and I kept asking for a price and the guy kept saying do not worry about it. When I finished eating, he came with a price double of what it actually costs anywhere else. I told him F you and paid the price I knew it to be everywhere else.[/QUOTE]Watch out for trips to the Island off the coast of Cartagena and do not order any fish dinners. Is the island called Baru?

They do not have menus with prices. When you are going to leave the island they will charge you about 10 X the regular price. And the Colombian girl you are with will always support the Colombians and tell you to pay them whatever they ask. Bad experience and memories. We learn from experience.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2957621]I think when I'm in Sosua service is a little worse. But shit I'm paying $40-50 bucks. At that price, just hold still and I'm good.[/QUOTE]The women in Colombia are worth quite a bit more than those in Sosua, for many reasons, according to Thomas.

I feel much safer when in Sosua however the quality of the girls is not good. A 8 is very hard to find.

Cartagena has the physical appearance of a much more modern destination but once night arrives it has sketchier feel with corrupt cops and aggressive street hustlers.

The girls are prettier in Cartegena -- I'm glad I got to experience it but I would not return.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2957495]Cracking down on what? Every beach that I have been to in Colombia has police and closes at 6 pm. That has nothing to do with any cracking down.[/QUOTE]The beach was shut down all day for 3 or 4 days in a row the last time I went to CTG which was not that long ago. "Crack down" meaning closing, more police presence, and the mayor focusing on moving the chicas to different areas. I am speaking from the standpoint from someone who has been to CTG recently.

[QUOTE=CtgCharlieBoy1;2958287]The beach was shut down all day for 3 or 4 days in a row the last time I went to CTG which was not that long ago. "Crack down" meaning closing, more police presence, and the mayor focusing on moving the chicas to different areas. I am speaking from the standpoint from someone who has been to CTG recently.[/QUOTE]What dates was the beach closed and which sections? Was it just that area by Kiosk #4 or did it extend all the way up to Boca Grande Mall? The last 3 times I was there they were closing sections due to laying what looked like culvert pipe and as a result everyone was pushed down more to Kiosk #4, it had nothing to do with cracking down, just construction.

The increased police presence is part of the Titan24. They are on the beach checking IDs at random to ensure the girls there have permission to be in the country, the vendors have a permit to sell items and to catch the usual suspects who like to request services from minors due to after the curfew was put in place to keep them from hanging outside of Space and Delirium in Centro at night all the minors went to Playa Hollywood being more of a nuisance as now they will come up and tap you while you try to eat.

They are trying to move the chicas into a "tolerance zone" outside the walls, most are assuming it will be in El Bosque but that area is not exactly tourist friendly and lack the police presence to ensure safety.

[QUOTE=Adinga;2957804]I feel much safer when in Sosua however the quality of the girls is not good. A 8 is very hard to find.

Cartagena has the physical appearance of a much more modern destination but once night arrives it has sketchier feel with corrupt cops and aggressive street hustlers.

The girls are prettier in Cartegena -- I'm glad I got to experience it but I would not return.[/QUOTE]The girls in Sosua have gotten adjusted to social media. The good-looking ones no longer have to come outside to earn money when they have multiple men sending them money. Now the majority of women walking around are overweight in yoga pants looking like turkeys. The Venezuelans and Colombians are going to DR and giving them hard competition.

Hi guys, I'm planning to come to Cartagena soon and I'm planning to meet some girls I talk to on tinder so they can spend 2 weeks with me.

I wanted to know if STDs are very common here and if it's possible to get them tested because I would like to have sex without condoms with them.

[QUOTE=Killian94;2959372]Hi guys, I'm planning to come to Cartagena soon and I'm planning to meet some girls I talk to on tinder so they can spend 2 weeks with me.

I wanted to know if STDs are very common here and if it's possible to get them tested because I would like to have sex without condoms with them.[/QUOTE]What happened to all the advice that was given to you in February?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2896310&viewfull=1#post2896310[/URL]

Yes you can get them tested or ask then to get a test and bring it with them but they can just fake that so you may have to go to the clinic with them or just use protection.

Please don't tell me that you been talking to these girls on tinder all this time then planning to spend 2 weeks consistently with them without knowing if there's any physical chemistry in person. Have you video called them to verify they are exactly like their pictures or actually girls and not a pimp? Also you said "soon". I'm warning you, if this is your first time to Colombia you do not want to go there close to Christmas season, if you insist on going then be on high alert at all times or you just might make someone really happy they were able to buy gifts for all their family members by reliving you of all your valuables.

Do not have these girls stay with you if you don't know them, it is extremely risky especially if you're a first timer.

We all want to have fun but #1 priority is to make it home.

[QUOTE=Killian94;2959372]

I wanted to know if STDs are very common here and if it's possible to get them tested because I would like to have sex without condoms with them.[/QUOTE]Here we go again.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2959456]What happened to all the advice that was given to you in February?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2896310&viewfull=1#post2896310[/URL]

Yes you can get them tested or ask then to get a test and bring it with them but they can just fake that so you may have to go to the clinic with them or just use protection.

Please don't tell me that you been talking to these girls on tinder all this time then planning to spend 2 weeks consistently with them without knowing if there's any physical chemistry in person. Have you video called them to verify they are exactly like their pictures or actually girls and not a pimp? Also you said "soon". I'm warning you, if this is your first time to Colombia you do not want to go there close to Christmas season, if you insist on going then be on high alert at all times or you just might make someone really happy they were able to buy gifts for all their family members by reliving you of all your valuables..[/QUOTE]Your a way nicer man then me, he would have not liked my answer, but I'm in good mood today and decided not to waste my time! But good to know there is still great guys around if anything ever needed bud!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2959456]What happened to all the advice that was given to you in February?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2896310&viewfull=1#post2896310[/URL]..[/QUOTE]Wow! He was already given advice on the very thing that he's asking again about now in this forum and he also posted the exact same question in the Medellin thread.

I live in Shoreline, WA and I can tell you this Auroa Ave can take you right into my city. And a couple things I want to point out I never gotten a $500 price quote from a attractive looking chick on AA. The highest price quote I got was $300 for either a bbj with full service from a smoking hot blonde or bare sex from a smoking hot chick. Druggies charge me $80 for sex. However, for $20 more I can get it on with a hot chick who doesn't get high.

There's no need to be paying $100 bucks in a garbage country such as Colombia even think about this they charge their men anywhere between $20-$25 while you're paying 4-5 times the price! Personally I wouldn't feel sympathy nor honored from a prostitute who sits in my room and whines about guys don't want to pay her $100 and she's glad she met me "some guy who's willing to pay those rates!" At the end of the day those women could careless for me nor you because their job is too get all the money they can for their padrote. Then.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;2957541]My point is that if you agree to X dollars then pay them X dollars. Don't wait until you're done and make up excuses for not paying the full amount. Do you do you go to restaurants and decide how much you want to pay after you eat? Do you go to the barber and start arguing about the price you agreed on after it done? Then why is it okay here? It's not $100 bucks or $50 bucks or whatever locals pay, it's the fact you agreed to a price and then went back on your word after she did her job. That's simply shitty and inexcusable.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad this website exists I visited Cartagena earlier this year with my girl but saw nothing more than just BBL heaven. However, I did see some chicks that was natural and I was hoping to return back and get some content made. Which eventually led me to getting a ticket to return back here in late November. Unfortunately I'm in the process of getting a damn refund, limited guess friendly accommodations, less girls, more guys with aggressive peddlers it's literally no point in me to comeback. I'll just give Medillin a shot next year.

They are getting the Christmas money early. Learn from others mistakes.

At what point did these guys think this was a good idea to invite 4 girls they just met back to the AirBB. Lmfaoo!

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/DCSmbb7vVhf/?img_index=2[/URL]

Stay safe out there!

Too funny. Dudes are still doing this and getting got. Pre-Obama Cartagena was the best!!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2960548]They are getting the Christmas money early. Learn from others mistakes.

At what point did these guys think this was a good idea to invite 4 girls they just met back to the AirBB. Lmfaoo!

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/DCSmbb7vVhf/?img_index=2[/URL]

Stay safe out there![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2956232]You are correct about the purpose of this site, or at least the intended purpose; however, the videos on Mentuition merely look like infomercials to subscribe to their paid site. They know a lot of information about things like guest friendly accommodations but only offer the information if you're a paying member.[/QUOTE]I'm not a fan of then, I came across them as I researched my 1st CTG trip. His advice on price was to just pay $100 (usd) up front & don't haggle, if you haggle then you're a "brokie". The girl he girl he posted was a mid 30's fat MILF, so the consensus in chat was that its $125-$150 a hot one. When I got to CTG I learned that price set was pretty off & it wasn't hard to get better rates (I already had exp in Colombia, Mexico so I had a feeling that was poor advice).

First off, don't pay in USD, makes you a mark. Two, it wasn't hard to negotiate to 250-300 k cop if you have restraint, & these were the Dolce Vita girls too. Their advice is driving up offered prices for the new guys.

Also I met his recurrent guest the black dude with the glasses & chinstrap. His real personality & how he acts with the girls is pretty corny & overpaying, so I cut from their scene quick. They're not as bad as the hood dudes from ATL, PHI, MIA visiting, & can be entertaining somewhat to just hear relevant info, the production value is good, but beyond a 1st trip theyre redundant.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2960678]I'm not a fan of then, I came across them as I researched my 1st CTG trip. His advice on price was to just pay $100 (usd) up front & don't haggle, if you haggle then you're a "brokie". The girl he girl he posted was a mid 30's fat MILF, so the consensus in chat was that its $125-$150 a hot one. When I got to CTG I learned that price set was pretty off & it wasn't hard to get better rates (I already had exp in Colombia, Mexico so I had a feeling that was poor advice).

First off, don't pay in USD, makes you a mark. Two, it wasn't hard to negotiate to 250-300 k cop if you have restraint, & these were the Dolce Vita girls too. Their advice is driving up offered prices for the new guys.[/QUOTE]Look at it this way. Some guys are professional mongers and there are other guys who are just having fun on holiday. I learned the lesson when I went down for my cousin's birthday in July with a bunch of his friends. They do not go from place to place on holiday and mongering all the time, so they saw the $100-$125 for 1 hour as a bargain, where a guy like me saw it as a total ripoff.

Also people from the developed western world are not used to haggling. It feels weird to them and they are used to seeing the price as the price. Then, like some people in a traveling facebook page that I am on said, they go to developing countries and feel sorry for people and do not mind paying the asking price. Even in these threads we have had mongers say, they need it more than me. So unfortunately you are always going to have people with the cheaper than home mentality, even though iin actuality, it is an astronomical price for the locale.

First off. Thanks to all of you and all the posts to help me navigate. First trip coming up in Jan. Bogota, Med and the Cartagena. Very excited.

Question, do I stay on the beach in BocaGrande or Getsamani to be closer to the action? I typically like the massage places and if there are any girl houses here that would be great too.

Any advice will be appreciated!

[QUOTE=MikeStud;2960741]Question, do I stay on the beach in BocaGrande or Getsamani to be closer to the action? I typically like the massage places and if there are any girl houses here that would be great too.[/QUOTE]What action? Massage places? Girl houses? Have you actually read the forum?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2960850]What action? Massage places? Girl houses? Have you actually read the forum?[/QUOTE]I think RTFF is too short for vBulletin, so you had to elaborate further.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2960690]Look at it this way. Some guys are professional mongers...[/QUOTE]I get what you are saying, but let's be clear. The girls are the professionals and the guys are, at best, knowledgeable and discerning customers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2960690]Also people from the developed western world are not used to haggling. It feels weird to them and they are used to seeing the price as the price. Then, like some people in a traveling facebook page that I am on said, they go to developing countries and feel sorry for people and do not mind paying the asking price. Even in these threads we have had mongers say, they need it more than me. So unfortunately you are always going to have people with the cheaper than home mentality, even though iin actuality, it is an astronomical price for the locale.[/QUOTE]Most of the time in CTG now I am using Didi over Uber. The waiting time seems much less. Still, there are times we need to get a cab back in places where it takes a Didi or Uber a long time to respond. In one of our most popular dining places, my gal will not pay more than 12 k COP for a cab. I will even be like 15 is okay, and she will not do it. Even when the cabbies try to get 20 k from her when the ride is over, she will not pay it and say, "No, it is 12 k" and just give them that. The funny part is the cabbies react like they have no rights at all. They have not argued with my gal at all.

The other day my gal showed me an IG post. Apparently, an American tourist was ripped off by a Cabbie and called that tourist hot line and wanted the Cartagena mayor to verbally berate the cabbie. My gal did not like that. It was like the locals had to bend over too hard to accommodate the tourists.

Thing is you have stories like the guy Dubliner posted here and the American Secret Service where when the women were not satisfied with what they were paid, and the authorities took the side of the woman with disastrous results. So if you feel you have to pay a little more to not run into a situation like that, guys think it might be worth it for that piece of mind.

But now if a cabbie tried to say a 12 k fare was 20 k, I would be like, "No, it is 12 K" and leave the money on the seat and get the fuck out. Honestly, I think the locals respect you more if you are like that. The cabbies are almost scared if you accuse them of ripping you off.

If I went back into the hooker game, I guess than I would need to talk to the locals and see what recourse the women had if they pulled a "I said 800 k not 200 k" stunt. My guess is the women do not have much recourse if you threw 200 k on the floor and said, "Nah, we agreed on 200 k" and walked out, but the problem is even in the USA, you have crack hookers being made out to be trafficking victims and are the ones with all the rights. I am seeing Colombian women do not have much in the way of rights despite Colombia trying to portray itself as tough on trafficking.

I am just back from CTG. It was planned to be a 4N trip, but due to Avianca madness I had to reduce it to 2N. I spent lot of time in BOG, including so many hours wasted at El Dorado. The only good thing is that cancelled flights allowed me to pay a visit also to Santa Fe.

I am happy to confirm the Reloy square is free from barriers, there is a police van but they don't play the siren (Gosh! What was the purpose if not breaking the ears of people, all people, men, women, families, regular vanilla tourists?? How could police be so stupid to think that breaking the ears of people with a siren increases security? *) and things are pretty much as before, EXCEPT:

1) There are no more clubs / bars meant to meet girls. No more Space, LDV, whatever (my memories of Golden Times date back to FABULOUS ELEKTRA, the best place of my life in the whole Latin America). Only bars full of regular tourists, good for music and drinks. This is bad. I loved the vibe of bars full of WGs.

2) There are many sexy working girls, but walking around the walled city within say 3-4 blocks from Reloy. Yes, they can be at Reloy, but not many and seldom standing. They stop for a while, then walk away, otherwise police comes to question (although I have seen that only once). Now, the way to meet girls is WALKING. The more you walk, the more you see. If you don't see and approach many, the probability to meet one girl of interest is small. Be fit guys. Don't be lazy. Walk.

3) The quality of girls (at least when I was there) is nothing good as before. I met in CTG the most stunning LA (Latin America, not Los Angeles) girls of my life! Now, most girls look veteran, chubby, silicon, just rough, whatever makes them not a model type. Say less then 5% attracted my attention, but in practice I have approached less than that. Over two nights, I remember just 3 that I liked to the point of thinking "I wish this be mine":
- 1 young apparently new to the job, who of course ran away from me (if a girl is young and sexy, in CTG she can find a handsome man who ALSO gives money. I am an average middle age guy);
- 1 model type with braces, who was adamantine in requesting condom for everything including oral (not my cup of tea, see below);
- 1 young, first time on the job, sexy, who first left me with her older friend then later came back to me. This last one is the single girl I have taken with me to hotel over the two nights. A nice girl indeed! I wish I had more days to spend in CTG.

4) All girls I have asked were apparently adamantine in requesting condom also for oral. WTF! This is new! I am not going to pay 300k-400k for playing plastic. One seriously offered to use the hand without condom. She seemed serious thinking it was an offer of potential interest to mitigate my disappointment for CBJ. Only two agreed for BBJ, and I took the second. Nevertheless, she was not good in blowing, although very sexy and unspoiled. She claimed I was her first man on her new job in CTG to make some money.

5) Several girls propositioned me with an amount in DOLLARS (80 and upwards), not pesos. WTF!! This is the best sign that gringos have spoiled the place.
Nena, what do you do with dollars?? "I change them to pesos". Then why you ask dollars?? "I don't know, most men have dollars...".
After leaving the dollar bullsh behind, most common prices requested were 300k upwards.

I will be back in January. I am curious to see if the situation will improve.

(*) In CTG, the silly Alcalde ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2890538&viewfull=1#post2890538[/URL]) must have given clear instructions to the police to waste time in pointless actitivities. A morning, a helicopter passed along the beach of Laguito playing the siren (!!) then broadcasting a not intelligible voice announcement with the loudspeaker. I was worried, considered the tropical rain and flooding of the past night which made the street not passable in Laguito, that they were raising an alarm for an incoming hurricane, a tsunami, a compelling emergency. NO, nothing. Later I asked the doorman and he smiled telling me that they do it often "para seguridad". WTF! What a waste of public money!

Cartagena use to be my spot. I have been all over that city, beaches and nearby islands on many occasions. I got to the point of burn out along with the changes and dip in quality. PreCovid were the best of times of course but afterwards things and quality went down. I have noticed that around the world when Gringos are prevalent in a certain area it fucks up the local culture and the locals try to emulate the Gringo culture, it raises prices on goods and services, hotels, food and generally everything. The girls are usually hardened pros and their services are usually lacking. Some will see you as a walking ATM. Now when I want to go to a beach town in Colombia I switch over to Santa Marta. A lot less Gringos, hardened pros, scams and touts. The people are more genuine and honest. When I went to Rodadero I don't think I seen one Gringo and I wasn't looking for them either. I avoid them honestly. I prefer a more local experience and I don't travel anywhere internationally to hang out with Gringos. I don't get it. The mid sized cities that are off the beaten path is the way to go in Colombia, especially if you want more of the culture and a more authentic experience. I usually spend a couple of days in Bogota before I leave Colombia because of my connecting flights and recently I seen some crazy shit go down in Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2961131] Santa Marta. A lot less Gringos, hardened pros, scams and touts. [/QUOTE]The women, scams and touts follow the gringos' money. We gringos are simply in the way, an obstacle for them to get around to get to the money.

I was in Cartagena two weeks ago and from my perspective nothing's really changed. I always do everything onilne and in fact rarely leave my apartment because it's far cheaper and efficient to have everything delivered than to go get it yourself. Up to and including girls. Going out walking around for hours looking for girls is such a waste of time. It's all online and cheaper.

And that said, I'll probably never return to Cartagena again. I just wanted to see it again because it was the first place I landed 3 years ago in Colombia. And yeah, nothing's changed except for that it's more expensive and girls are flakier. I used Tinder during the pandemic and girls were more interested in talking more than a few seconds. Now they reply once or twice and nothing beyond that. I had some good times and Colombia is still great but it makes more sense to move on. That said, you can still easily find girls even on Tinder for decent prices. I've never paid over 200 mil for a domicilio.

The price you pay isn't commensurate to what you get in Cartagena. Definitely not compared to the rest of Colombia. If it was a literal clone of Miami then sure. But we're talking shitty roads, weather, pushy vendors, annoying wannabe rappers, beaches, etc in comparison.

Also just saying but if you don't talk any Spanish or very little then the coast of Colombia is the worst place to learn or understand what they're saying. I'm now fluent but I learned the hard way, that's for sure. You will learn much faster in Bogota.

Here we have another set of individuals who decided to walk in Torices, the barrio that's directly across the bridge from Marbella. I know they are developing high rise condos there and selling them for cheap, but that neighborhood is a no go and at this close to Christmas its definite NO especially on foot. Do not stay in an AirBB there even if its in one of those newly built buildings.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/DCkUCsdPTXT/[/URL]

Someone just got their Christmas presents early.

Stay safe out there!

Anyone knows what motels in Crespo among Las Dunas, La Cangreja, La Jaiba, are still open and operating, if any?

They were my best venue before COVID to take special girls. Google Maps reports them as still open, but I know by direct experience (I tried to go there last year by taxi) that at least La Jaiba was closed and terminated to operate.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961059]But now if a cabbie tried to say a 12 k fare was 20 k, I would be like, "No, it is 12 K" and leave the money on the seat and get the fuck out. Honestly, I think the locals respect you more if you are like that. The cabbies are almost scared if you accuse them of ripping you off.

If I went back into the hooker game, I guess than I would need to talk to the locals and see what recourse the women had if they pulled a "I said 800 k not 200 k" stunt. My guess is the women do not have much recourse if you threw 200 k on the floor and said, "Nah, we agreed on 200 k" and walked out, but the problem is even in the USA, you have crack hookers being made out to be trafficking victims and are the ones with all the rights. I am seeing Colombian women do not have much in the way of rights despite Colombia trying to portray itself as tough on trafficking.[/QUOTE]I don't know about legal rights, but I suspect more of the girls than we realize have protection of some sort. You don't want her on her phone telling whoever that you ripped her off. Almost any girl with an apartment is with an agency that I am sure has "personal security" capabilities for its girls. In a country with prolific gang activity its naive to think that these girls are flying between cities and taking in millions of tourist dollars without someone getting a cut for "security".

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2962652]I don't know about legal rights, but I suspect more of the girls than we realize have protection of some sort. You don't want her on her phone telling whoever that you ripped her off. Almost any girl with an apartment is with an agency that I am sure has "personal security" capabilities for its girls. In a country with prolific gang activity its naive to think that these girls are flying between cities and taking in millions of tourist dollars without someone getting a cut for "security".[/QUOTE]Man those raggedy hoes are broke. They do not have any hitters on retainer. They are flying between cities because dudes are paying for the tickets and it is cheap as hell anyway. Even if you did not rip her off, what would be stopping her from telling any said muscle that you did? You are really overthinking hookers.

What a surprise. Passport Bros and weekend warriors have ruined the city. Everybody's talking about the drop in quality. What did you think was going to happen when you have a bunch of broke Passport Bros throwing money in the air, making Colombians look like poor beggars, going to the clubs smoking hookah, wearing stunners shades and bringing in gangster rap, Miami strip club culture, embarrassing the locals, and making a place that was supposed to look like, supposed to be good for vacation for families, a trash *****house. You all did this. You brought your strip club, I-want to-look-gangster-in-front-of-everybody culture, and the city shut it down.

I came into Cartagena last week. Didn't have any pesos but took an Uber to Boca Grande where I had an Airbnb lined up near the beach. The exchange rate at the airport is a paltry 3800 something so I waited until I got to Boca Grande to withdraw money from an ATM which was downstairs. I checked with the owner prior to booking about "guests" had no problem with visitors as he was an American with a Colombian wife. My suggestion is to download WhatApp and meet ladies from the internet. I had no issues other than aggressive ladies offering massages on the beach. Avoid their "free masaje" you will end up in a nasty argument with them.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2960629]Too funny. Dudes are still doing this and getting got. Pre-Obama Cartagena was the best!![/QUOTE]They had all the signs as victims, probably didn't speak Spanish, probably got a spot with no security or checkin ins and why is there 4 vs 2 ? Each time I hear these stories I always see the flaw in the exectution, it's hella sad really.

Hey guys,

I'll be in Colombia in a few weeks. Going to hit Medellin, 2 weeks in Cartagena, then wrap up in Medellin. Question, how is it in Cartagena post New Years? With all the changes I'm hearing it's harder to find girls on the street but I am curious to know if the price drops due to them spending everything for the holidays.

She is a girl that he found on a site. We made a video together on YouTube. My homie Ryan keeps on trucking.

[URL]https://youtu.be/YV3EFhFESoI?si=ZA0FY7DV7mpSQYiy[/URL]

[QUOTE=Killian94;2959372]I wanted to know if STDs are very common here and if it's possible to get them tested because I would like to have sex without condoms with them.[/QUOTE]Simple.

To be on the safe side assume that they may have got something and use protection.

[QUOTE=CK465;2966364]Hey guys,

I'll be in Colombia in a few weeks. Going to hit Medellin, 2 weeks in Cartagena, then wrap up in Medellin. Question, how is it in Cartagena post New Years? With all the changes I'm hearing it's harder to find girls on the street but I am curious to know if the price drops due to them spending everything for the holidays.[/QUOTE]Everywhere there's passport bros are prices have doubled and even tripled. Yesterday one girl in cartagena charged in dollars demanded 300 for an hour and she wouldn't budge! That's double what you't pay in Atlanta or Miami. Why hop on a plane and pay for an overpriced Airbnb in a city where street & beach vendors charge triple the price of everything. On top of that the girl that I did smash last night was complaining about the price and I told her it was good money. She then pulls out here phone and shows me money transfers she's received from passport bros 2 of whom she's never MET! One works as a bus driver and the other in a warehouse. This woman is getting ran through all week and she's still receiving transfers from men she's never met.

Hi guys,

Thinking about going to Cartagena around Christmas time 2025 and spending new year there. I now read some comments about CTg being more dangerous around that time. Is that true?

My friend and I are from Europe and our Spanish is really minimal and we never been to South America before. I try to gather as much information as possible, to be prepared.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2967341]Everywhere there's passport bros are prices have doubled and even tripled. Yesterday one girl in cartagena charged in dollars demanded 300 for an hour and she wouldn't budge! That's double what you't pay in Atlanta or Miami. Why hop on a plane and pay for an overpriced Airbnb in a city where street & beach vendors charge triple the price of everything. On top of that the girl that I did smash last night was complaining about the price and I told her it was good money. She then pulls out here phone and shows me money transfers she's received from passport bros 2 of whom she's never MET! One works as a bus driver and the other in a warehouse. This woman is getting ran through all week and she's still receiving transfers from men she's never met.[/QUOTE]I guess you have to go by the vibe, I speak enough Spanish and speak enough that it's comprehensible and if you don't negotiate a reasonable price then move on. I mean, there's dozen of ass out there and if one has an attitude then do you really want to pork her? Haven't been down to Cartagena yet but in Medellin, no female I had to negotiate with gave me a problem, one or two were chatty but I still payed below the US price.

If they ask in USD negotiate lower, if she won't budge then find another that will.

[QUOTE=CK465;2967765]I guess you have to go by the vibe, I speak enough Spanish and speak enough that it's comprehensible and if you don't negotiate a reasonable price then move on. I mean, there's dozen of ass out there and if one has an attitude then do you really want to pork her? Haven't been down to Cartagena yet but in Medellin, no female I had to negotiate with gave me a problem, one or two were chatty but I still payed below the US price.

If they ask in USD negotiate lower, if she won't budge then find another that will.[/QUOTE]I speak fluent Spanish not what I'm sure is your broken Spanish. I taught English in Colombia for three years. And trust me the prices that you think you're getting a good deal on are prices that would've been considered outrageously high just a few years ago. Just a few years ago 200 mil was the standard. Anybody who's been coming to the city for years knows that. You're probably paying 2 to 3 times that thinking that it's a good price and guess what's going to happen in a few years. Some clowns going to come along and think paying $200 is a good price. Hoeflation.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2967341]Everywhere there's passport bros are prices have doubled and even tripled. Yesterday one girl in cartagena charged in dollars demanded 300 for an hour and she wouldn't budge! That's double what you't pay in Atlanta or Miami. Why hop on a plane and pay for an overpriced Airbnb in a city where street & beach vendors charge triple the price of everything. On top of that the girl that I did smash last night was complaining about the price and I told her it was good money. She then pulls out here phone and shows me money transfers she's received from passport bros 2 of whom she's never MET! One works as a bus driver and the other in a warehouse. This woman is getting ran through all week and she's still receiving transfers from men she's never met.[/QUOTE]How fucked up is that! Totally agree with you on every point.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=CK465;2967765] If they ask in USD negotiate lower, if she won't budge then find another that will.[/QUOTE]If the quote or even mention dollars, counter with the same in pesos. Say something like "OK 200.000, listo, nos vamos" Maybe they come back "no pesos, dollares" then you say you don't have dollars, 250 pesos or nothing.

Or just walk away because talking USD and you will always lose. In my experience, that dynamic is much more common in CTG than anywhere else in the country. Of course owing to it being a tourist destination. It's incredibly rare to hear anyone give a price in BOG or MDE in USD.

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2967935]Or just walk away because talking USD and you will always lose. In my experience, that dynamic is much more common in CTG than anywhere else in the country. [/QUOTE]Quoting USD => she is well used to deal with gringos => she considers and will treat you as a gringo => she expects you pay as a gringo in gringoland.
==>> Whenever I hear "dollars" from a girl, I run away.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2968247]Quoting USD => she is well used to deal with gringos => she considers and will treat you as a gringo => she expects you pay as a gringo in gringoland.
==>> Whenever I hear "dollars" from a girl, I run away.[/QUOTE]I have talked to so many normal chicks about things concerning money that I no longer think this is the case. For instance, if I ask them how much is their electric bill every month, they will tell me in dollars. I say but it is Colombia, so why are you telling me in dollars? They will say because they think I do not understand pesos. So maybe there are so many tourists in those areas that did not understand pesos, that the hookers figured it was easier to tell them in dollars. I can just see a mf whipping out his calculator when a chick tells him 150 pesos, as I have seen my friends do in every other country when making purchases.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2968382]They will say because they think I do not understand pesos. So maybe there are so many tourists in those areas that did not understand pesos, that the hookers figured it was easier to tell them in dollars. [/QUOTE]That's not much different from my point. If a girl has a reason to believe she's more experienced than me, it is not a good situation for me. I wish to be in the opposite situation (although getting more and even more hard or impossible to find in CTG).
I stand on my point: Whenever I hear "dollars" from a girl, I run away.

Going to CTG in early February. Last time I traveled to CTG was 2 years ago and I know alot has changed. I slit time between at Hotel Oz in Boca Grande and an Airbnb in El Laguito last time. I definetly will not be staying in a hotel this time around. Question for the group: Is it better to stay in Getsemani or El Laguito for a Mongering and site seeing visit. I'm staying 5 days in total.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2966852]She is a girl that he found on a site. We made a video together on YouTube. My homie Ryan keeps on trucking.

[URL]https://youtu.be/YV3EFhFESoI?si=ZA0FY7DV7mpSQYiy[/URL][/QUOTE]It looks like they are just walking around centro and the fancy mall in San Diego. At first I though it was 2 guys just hanging out and after watching the video I still think its just 2 guys hanging out.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2967341]Everywhere there's passport bros are prices have doubled and even tripled. Yesterday one girl in cartagena charged in dollars demanded 300 for an hour and she wouldn't budge! That's double what you't pay in Atlanta or Miami. Why hop on a plane and pay for an overpriced Airbnb in a city where street & beach vendors charge triple the price of everything. On top of that the girl that I did smash last night was complaining about the price and I told her it was good money. She then pulls out here phone and shows me money transfers she's received from passport bros 2 of whom she's never MET! One works as a bus driver and the other in a warehouse. This woman is getting ran through all week and she's still receiving transfers from men she's never met.[/QUOTE]Well yea, you're finally catching up. I've been reporting this since last year when I went to Carnival in Barranquilla.

These guys are trying to put girls on retainer to be their vacation girlfriends and they think the girl is being loyal to them but the girl is already hooked on that "get the bag" social media bullshit and she's getting multiple gringos sending money where she doesn't have to leave her house anymore. What these men did was hyper inflate everything and the older the chica gets the more she wants. A perfect example is look what happened in Sosua, exactly how those women became entitled and started acting like women from ATL, MIA and NYC is exactly how the girls in Cartagena are acting now. I knew it was time to find another place when I saw the uptick of girls wearing Yankee fitted and all white Airforce Ones, then came the triple nose ring nonsense.

Just about every girl down there running around with an iPhone Pro Max and that should immediately tell any gringo these girls are taking on the materialistic culture broadcasted on social media from western women and the more places that get access to reliable internet the worse this is going to become; Thailand is slowly getting there as well.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2968382]I have talked to so many normal chicks about things concerning money that I no longer think this is the case. For instance, if I ask them how much is their electric bill every month, they will tell me in dollars. I say but it is Colombia, so why are you telling me in dollars? They will say because they think I do not understand pesos. So maybe there are so many tourists in those areas that did not understand pesos, that the hookers figured it was easier to tell them in dollars. I can just see a mf whipping out his calculator when a chick tells him 150 pesos, as I have seen my friends do in every other country when making purchases.[/QUOTE]Am I wrong on this or not, why is Cartagena even talked about being a monger destination at all anymore? It's been spent for at least 5 years now, I can see if it's on a bucket list or something! But as far as hookers gooo, come on! And I've had lots lots of good times there in its prime!

[QUOTE=DTrain228;2968544]Going to CTG in early February. Last time I traveled to CTG was 2 years ago and I know alot has changed. I slit time between at Hotel Oz in Boca Grande and an Airbnb in El Laguito last time. I definetly will not be staying in a hotel this time around. Question for the group: Is it better to stay in Getsemani or El Laguito for a Mongering and site seeing visit. I'm staying 5 days in total.[/QUOTE]Getsemani might be closer to the nightlife and action.

I have been saying this for years now. The "make it rain ninjas" fucked the game up at all the main spots in Colombia. Super high hyperinflation! However, to be real, CTG was always a tourist trap—higher prices than any other place.

Why guys are so scared to explore new cities, I will never understand. MAN UP!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2968587]Well yea, you're finally catching up. I've been reporting this since last year when I went to Carnival in Barranquilla.

These guys are trying to put girls on retainer to be their vacation girlfriends and they think the girl is being loyal to them but the girl is already hooked on that "get the bag" social media bullshit and she's getting multiple gringos sending money where she doesn't have to leave her house anymore. What these men did was hyper-inflate everything and the older the chica gets the more she wants. A perfect example is look what happened in Sosua, exactly how those women became entitled and started acting like women from ATL, MIA and NYC is exactly how the girls in Cartagena are acting now. I knew it was time to find another place when I saw the uptick of girls wearing Yankee fitted and all white Airforce Ones, then came the triple nose ring nonsense.

Just about every girl down there running around with an iPhone Pro Max and that should immediately tell any gringo these girls are taking on the materialistic culture broadcasted on social media from western women and the more places that get access to reliable internet the worse this is going to become; Thailand is slowly getting there as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RacShack;2968609]Am I wrong on this or not, why is Cartagena even talked about being a monger destination at all anymore? [/QUOTE]Nostalgia. That and a lot of people are afraid to go to a new place. Take the Sosua thread for instance. A lot of people are finally fessing up that it has gone downhill despite me saying this for the past 13 or so years. But they still keep going there with excuses such as there is a beach, and the food is good, and their cousin's ex-boyfriend has a place there.

I said years ago how it was like battered spouse syndrome. No matter how bad it gets, they will not leave it. Leche papi leche. $100 short time. I am from the school of giving them $25/ day and having to make them go home because they did not want to leave.

It is funny because now many other places they could have explored and gotten to know in that timeframe are also headed downhill. But I do not feel bad for them. Should have checked it out while it was hot, instead of swearing by the one place.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2968746]However, to be real, CTG was always a tourist traphigher prices than any other place.[/QUOTE]Yep. That is why my first time there after going to other Colombian cities I said there was no need to go back. Cartagena is to Colombia what Phuket is to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2968746]I have been saying this for years now. The "make it rain ninjas" fucked the game up at all the main spots in Colombia. Super high hyperinflation! However, to be real, CTG was always a tourist traphigher prices than any other place.

Why guys are so scared to explore new cities, I will never understand. MAN UP![/QUOTE]Perhaps they do not want to end up like this openminded individual in the video below, who from the moment he got out the airport was way too trusting and immediately was getting set up when they put his bags in a random taxi.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ref0dwDTwc[/URL]

I know its a 30-minute-long video but jump directly to timestamp 3:50 and watch how hes lacking street smarts and not picking up on that they are hiding their face while being on the video and he thought it was best to stay there. Genius decided to go hang out with the locals by that abandon spot next to Mall Plaza. He then decided that since it looked like the Philippines it was safe as the Philippines JAJAJA. Even after his enlightenment at 6:10 I doubt he learned anything.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2968609]Am I wrong on this or not, why is Cartagena even talked about being a monger destination at all anymore? It's been spent for at least 5 years now, I can see if it's on a bucket list or something! But as far as hookers gooo, come on! And I've had lots lots of good times there in its prime![/QUOTE]Keep the hookah-smoking, rapper wannabes in the DR and Colombia. I'm in an under-the-radar country at the moment paying $30 TLN with 8's and 9's. Some of us learned our lesson and we're not going to make posts or YouTube videos telling them where the next best spots are so they can come ruin it like they always do. Throwing money in the air, wearing rappers stunna shades, jordans and air forces, making videos about banging overpriced pros. I know some of these dudes and most of them don't even have $10 k in the bank. Imagine spending all your money on hookers when you barely have any savings. These are grown men we're talking about. Just pathetic. A bunch of loud mouth incels.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2968587]Just about every girl down there running around with an iPhone Pro Max and that should immediately tell any gringo these girls are taking on the materialistic culture broadcasted on social media from western women and the more places that get access to reliable internet the worse this is going to become; Thailand is slowly getting there as well.[/QUOTE]LOL. Well, I had my gal buy a Starlink mini dish. We did not use it in Cartagena but a place North of Bogota. Still, the plan in Colombia is $60 a month for unlimited use which is half of what the USA is and why I had her buy the dish. Also, dish price was $300 in Colombia versus $600 in USA. Peak speeds in Colombia were 120 mb per second. Average was the 20 to 40 range, but the big thing is Starlink unlike the rural internet that was there was always working and reliable. The internet that was there was not working half the time.

In Cartagena, we always had issues with the internet breaking down until they started using wireless 5 g towers for the internet in our building and now our internet is fine.

As far as why Cartagena is getting ready to explode, the first part is if you go to Florida in December, January, or February, and think you are going to get warm, think again. I have frozen my ass off in Florida during those times. You are not safe in Florida until March.

In Cancun-Tulum, you get the mid 80's for highs and what used to be fantastic beaches. Tulum could compete with any beaches in the world with its white sand and crystal clear water. Thing is those beaches are now flooded with smells like ass seaweed. What shocked me is the airlines are now cutting service to Tulum's brand new airport.

On one of my flights to Cartagena, the flight was loaded with a group of fun loving and loud guys. I started talking to one of them and it turns out they were professionals on a bachelor party. They got a big airBNB where they could all hang out and hired a chef to cook for them. I thought about it and Cartagena really is the perfect place to have a bachelor party. You have hookers, casinos, decent restaurants and enough things to do for a week. You are guaranteed warm weather, seaweed free beaches, and do not have to worry about tropical storms or hurricanes. These guys wanted to get out of ice cold Chicago, and I was thinking how many guys in NYC, Philly, Boston, or DC are going to come to the same conclusion and fly to CTG. So the mayor's move to push the hookers underground and prices rising makes sense.

After just being in often cold and cloudy Bogota, it reminded me of how every woman I met and asked there would love to spend a few days in sunny and warm Cartagena. If you want a hot Colombian chick in Cartagena on the cheap, that IMO is the way to go. Hell, you might not even have to pay her if she likes you and you show her a good time. I started coming to Colombia five years ago and have never seen much I ever liked woman wise in Cartagena itself.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2968810]Perhaps they do not want to end up like this openminded individual in the video below, who from the moment he got out the airport was way too trusting and immediately was getting set up when they put his bags in a random taxi.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ref0dwDTwc[/URL]

I know its a 30-minute-long video but jump directly to timestamp 3:50 and watch how hes lacking street smarts and not picking up on that they are hiding their face while being on the video and he thought it was best to stay there. Genius decided to go hang out with the locals by that abandon spot next to Mall Plaza. He then decided that since it looked like the Philippines it was safe as the Philippines JAJAJA. Even after his enlightenment at 6:10 I doubt he learned anything.[/QUOTE]Are these the kind of dudes that are going to Cartagena LOL? He has to be the biggest dumbass I have ever seen LOL. As soon as the dudes were hiding their faces you csn tell something bad was about to happen. Why was he even with them, should have told them to fuck off and kept it moving. And why is he giving out US dollars to people. I wouldn't give out a fucking penny not even to a homeless person.

I'm curious how he still had his camera to be able to record after he was robbed tho because if they took everything I doubt they would leave him his camera or phone or whatever device he was recording with.

The whole story is probably just fictional. But if it is true he is incredibly stupid.

-Gabacho.

I'm not a passport bro but I do have a stupid question to ask. In countries such as Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua and even Costa Rica chicas are demanding on the average $130 for service and you got plenty of guys paying gringo prices for pussy and they're not passport bros at all. Hell even I remember visiting Cartagena with my wife I saw guys buying hookers jewelry and expensive hand bags and they were not passport bros. What makes you think that simps haven't messed the game up with give me's? It was a guy on this thread bragging about guys who whine about paying $100 are broke. And I think I was the only person who gay him some advice and I'm pretty sure he was neither a passport bro nor a bro bro period.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2967341]Everywhere there's passport bros are prices have doubled and even tripled. Yesterday one girl in cartagena charged in dollars demanded 300 for an hour and she wouldn't budge! That's double what you't pay in Atlanta or Miami. Why hop on a plane and pay for an overpriced Airbnb in a city where street & beach vendors charge triple the price of everything. On top of that the girl that I did smash last night was complaining about the price and I told her it was good money. She then pulls out here phone and shows me money transfers she's received from passport bros 2 of whom she's never MET! One works as a bus driver and the other in a warehouse. This woman is getting ran through all week and she's still receiving transfers from men she's never met.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2969854]I'm not a passport bro but I do have a stupid question to ask. In countries such as Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua and even Costa Rica chicas are demanding on the average $130 for service and you got plenty of guys paying gringo prices for pussy and they're not passport bros at all. Hell even I remember visiting Cartagena with my wife I saw guys buying hookers jewelry and expensive hand bags and they were not passport bros. What makes you think that simps haven't messed the game up with give me's? It was a guy on this thread bragging about guys who whine about paying $100 are broke. And I think I was the only person who gay him some advice and I'm pretty sure he was neither a passport bro nor a bro bro period.[/QUOTE]I've slept with countless women throughout these countries. The average spent was $50-75. But I speak fluent Spanish and I don't deal with hardened pros who get flown to Dubai, Paris, Barcelona by simps and walk around the brand new iPhone and fake tits. You need to understand that the average monthly salary in these places is anywhere from $250-$500. If you really believe the average place is $130 then you are clueless. And just because people don't want to pay the highest prices doesn't mean that they're broke. That means that they rather save their money for other things. Fighting to pay high prices for working girls is really insane.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2969618]Are these the kind of dudes that are going to Cartagena LOL? He has to be the biggest dumbass I have ever seen LOL. As soon as the dudes were hiding their faces you csn tell something bad was about to happen. Why was he even with them, should have told them to fuck off and kept it moving. And why is he giving out US dollars to people. I wouldn't give out a fucking penny not even to a homeless person.

I'm curious how he still had his camera to be able to record after he was robbed tho because if they took everything I doubt they would leave him his camera or phone or whatever device he was recording with.

The whole story is probably just fictional. But if it is true he is incredibly stupid.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]I saw his video, he was trying to make friends with the locals which was VERY stupid on his end and had a camera out and all. Brah, I will conversate with some people but talking too much and bringing too much attention to myself is a no no. Be smart, trust no one and tip your door man!

[QUOTE=CK465;2970911]Be smart, trust no one and tip your door man![/QUOTE]To me those are opposing pieces of advice. (Be smart and tip your door man.) Why would I need to tip my doorman? Never done it before. Never seen a need to do it. Are other people living there tipping the doorman? Foreigners love giving away money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2970924]To me those are opposing pieces of advice. (Be smart and tip your door man.) Why would I need to tip my doorman? Never done it before. Never seen a need to do it. Are other people living there tipping the doorman? Foreigners love giving away money.[/QUOTE]My best guy was my doorman at the Airbnb. He took the ids and would not give them back until I came down or called him. Had zero issues in 10 years. Its not giving away money when they provide a service. Its like when you first get to a place you don't know. You pay the toutes to learn the game. When you learn the game you still tip one or two just to keep your knowledge of the area and people looking out for you tight.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2970924]To me those are opposing pieces of advice. (Be smart and tip your door man.) Why would I need to tip my doorman? [/QUOTE]If there is someone to tip, that is the doorman. I always give a tip to the doorman on first night. He will be your best "friend" to cover your shoulders, should that be needed.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2970924]To me those are opposing pieces of advice. (Be smart and tip your door man.) Why would I need to tip my doorman? Never done it before. Never seen a need to do it. Are other people living there tipping the doorman? Foreigners love giving away money.[/QUOTE]In my early days when I used to stay at places with 24 hour doormen / security I tipped when I needed them to look the other way or ignore certain things. Such as chica arrives without Cedula or the apartment / house has an occupancy limit and the chica shows up with a few friends and were clearly over the limit, trust me on this it helped big time at the Marina Club and Palmetto Sunset, places that I would never stay again now that I know better.

Other than that it was the basic of whenever we order food ill ask them if they want something and also order for them and on the last day I usually give them all the beers. But over the years all that has changed and I started only staying at places with nighttime security then no security at all and I prefer it that way. I just chill over in Getsemani or San Deigo and don't have to worry about anyone looking at whose coming and going.

Now that I think about it, I don't even know if what I did is considered tipping or just bribe money to break the rules jajaja.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2968912]Keep the hookah-smoking, rapper wannabes in the DR and Colombia. I'm in an under-the-radar country at the moment paying $30 TLN with 8's and 9's. Some of us learned our lesson and we're not going to make posts or YouTube videos telling them where the next best spots are so they can come ruin it like they always do. Throwing money in the air, wearing rappers stunna shades, jordans and air forces, making videos about banging overpriced pros. I know some of these dudes and most of them don't even have $10 k in the bank. Imagine spending all your money on hookers when you barely have any savings. These are grown men we're talking about. Just pathetic. A bunch of loud mouth incels.[/QUOTE]Can't really tell those degenerates nothing. The moment someone try to educate them on why they shouldn't do certain things in a foreign country its met with instant backlash with the same dumb responses, "stop pocket watching, stop hating, stop dick policing, etc". Then years later they come to the same conclusion and start saying how people messed it up when they themselves were part of the problem and opened the door for others to push new boundaries. When the behavior that was contained to Delirium, started spreading to Dolce and Space I knew it was only a matter of time. Dolce went from a no filming policy to having girls dance on the bar, on that new raised platform, hookah and money guns shooting stacks of 2 mil bills. Space turned up to a straight hookah bar and having girls dance on the bar then then the Sisters started showing up in there trying to "turn up". I remember right after the lockdown people kept saying how Cartagena was too big to be ruined like Sosua and people should never compare it to Sosua but surely enough with enough time those same exact people are now saying how Cartagena is ruined.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2969854]I'm not a passport bro but I do have a stupid question to ask. In countries such as Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua and even Costa Rica chicas are demanding on the average $130 for service and you got plenty of guys paying gringo prices for pussy and they're not passport bros at all. Hell even I remember visiting Cartagena with my wife I saw guys buying hookers jewelry and expensive hand bags and they were not passport bros. What makes you think that simps haven't messed the game up with give me's? It was a guy on this thread bragging about guys who whine about paying $100 are broke. And I think I was the only person who gay him some advice and I'm pretty sure he was neither a passport bro nor a bro bro period.[/QUOTE]Not exactly stupid question. Those are the questions that actually spark conversations.

The term "Passport Bro" has become a blanket label for any man that travels from a more developed country to a lesser developed one to take advantage of the currency exchange in order to get what they want weather its business opportunities, property ownership / rental, sex, or etc. The term originally was for Black American men but we all know how that goes when that specific demographic group of people does something and it starts trending other groups try to jump on it to try to be trendy as well. Currently to an outside observer there is hardly any difference between Passport Bro, Tourist, Backpacker, Digital Nomad, Permanant Resident, etc, people just like to use whatever label is currently trending. Back in the day the trending term was Blue Book Gentlemen, I'm constantly around many retired American military GenX and Boomers who married women from outside of America and the ones who still rocking the Yankee fitted, Jordans, in the sweat suit with 1 pant leg rolled up are now calling themselves Passport Bros, still trying to be down even though they travelling with the whole medicine cabinet in their carryon JAJAJA.

As for simps messing it up, yes, there are allot of awkward men with extra money who just don't know when they are being taken advantage of and they will get their pockets emptied until they hit that rage moment and start bashing all women for what some women do. As for buying the expensive jewelry and expensive handbag perhaps I can provide an alternative view as to why. I myself have brought girls expensive items such as Apple products and spent more time in ELLA watching them shop than I want to be. Are these gifts? No, to me its just another form of payment to one of my regulars that ill be spending allot of time with such as a week or 2 weeks, if its Apple, I bring the item with me, if she wants to go on a shopping spree then that's even better because I can track how much I'm charging and when it gets to the agreed limit for her services the shopping stops. For example chaica says she wants Air Pods, I calculate $250 max hit the apple store and bring them wit me, she come stay a weekend with me and she gets her AirPods. So from the outside looking in, we don't know exactly why that gringo is buying those expensive items for the girl but if it is gifts on top of what they already paid for services then their pockets, their choice. Just something to think about with an alternative view point as these girls are becoming more materialistic, I remember girls in Sosua use to do services for weaves, guys would pack a suitcase full of hair and dresses and they were good for a weekend.

As for the guys whining about paying $100 are broke, perhaps these are the type of guys who are accustomed to paying 5 times that amount for a fraction of the time with a woman whos not as good looking and got crazy miles on her. Before the migrant crisis I've seen what was in Tampa, Maimi, Houston, San Fran, NYC Metro Area, Chicago, DMV Metro Area, NOLA, etc, usually its all the major Blue cities and the price they wanted for 1 hour for what they offered was more than the price of a roundtrip plane ticket to DR. It made more sense to grab a few friends and leave the country for a long weekend in a 3 bedroom 3 bathroom AirBB and split it 3 ways. Also I've had too many back and forth with too many people in Sosua chat groups that say they pay a low price for a chica but they never show what the chica looks like or say what services the chica performed and its for a very good reason due to the chica being very un attractive or overweight. I've also been on the other side where I said I paid a low price for a girl and I was called out, I'm a man of facts so I provided pictures and the conversation of the agreement, and what they did was go out of their way to find the chica tried to get with her for the same price and when she declined they showed the chica the conversation I had with her, chica got pissed and blocked me. When I told my friend what happened he said I should have never opened my mouth, I learned.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2968912]Keep the hookah-smoking, rapper wannabes in the DR and Colombia. I'm in an under-the-radar country at the moment paying $30 TLN with 8's and 9's. Some of us learned our lesson and we're not going to make posts or YouTube videos telling them where the next best spots are so they can come ruin it like they always do. Throwing money in the air, wearing rappers stunna shades, jordans and air forces, making videos about banging overpriced pros. I know some of these dudes and most of them don't even have $10 k in the bank. Imagine spending all your money on hookers when you barely have any savings. These are grown men we're talking about. Just pathetic. A bunch of loud mouth incels.[/QUOTE]I agree. Keeping it on the DL. A lot of countries got ruined by gringo american dollars flowing freely.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2968912]Keep the hookah-smoking, rapper wannabes in the DR and Colombia. I'm in an under-the-radar country at the moment paying $30 TLN with 8's and 9's. Some of us learned our lesson and we're not going to make posts or YouTube videos telling them where the next best spots are so they can come ruin it like they always do. Throwing money in the air, wearing rappers stunna shades, jordans and air forces, making videos about banging overpriced pros. I know some of these dudes and most of them don't even have $10 k in the bank. Imagine spending all your money on hookers when you barely have any savings. These are grown men we're talking about. Just pathetic. A bunch of loud mouth incels.[/QUOTE]That's why it's good to travel off the beaten path from time to time because I don't want to see that shit and I avoid that ghetto shit.

Headed back to Cartagena. Is the Soy Local Central Historico guest friendly. A guy on the hotel reviews made a point of saying it was but I am looking for experienced advice. Thanks.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2972221]Headed back to Cartagena. Is the Soy Local Central Historico guest friendly. A guy on the hotel reviews made a point of saying it was but I am looking for experienced advice. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, but they want "those" guests to stop by the front desk where they will check ID and keep it until that guest leaves. No extra fees. The front desk was manned by two different guys around 35-45, who both were very easy going, and I think both of them were more concerned about the safety of the main registered guest than they are with presenting hurtles and blind rule following. They also want you to escort your guest out upon which they will return said ID to the guest.

[QUOTE=Interstella;2972430]Yes, but they want "those" guests to stop by the front desk where they will check ID and keep it until that guest leaves. No extra fees. The front desk was manned by two different guys around 35-45, who both were very easy going, and I think both of them were more concerned about the safety of the main registered guest than they are with presenting hurtles and blind rule following. They also want you to escort your guest out upon which they will return said ID to the guest.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

Last time I picked from the crowds in the bars and at the Clock Tower. This time, with the changes I have heard about, I think I will try the online services. Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2972644]Last time I picked from the crowds in the bars and at the Clock Tower. This time, with the changes I have heard about, I think I will try the online services. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]If I were you, I would try another city all together. There are plenty of better options other than what you are going to settle for.

Man this is a well written post by an apparent genius guys like you need to post more often. You literally took what I was thinking to the next level.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2971727]Not exactly stupid question. Those are the questions that actually spark conversations.

The term "Passport Bro" has become a blanket label for any man that travels from a more developed country to a lesser developed one to take advantage of the currency exchange in order to get what they want weather its business opportunities, property ownership / rental, sex, or etc. The term originally was for Black American men but we all know how that goes when that specific demographic group of people does something and it starts trending other groups try to jump on it to try to be trendy as well. Currently to an outside observer there is hardly any difference between Passport Bro, Tourist, Backpacker, Digital Nomad, Permanant Resident, etc, people just like to use whatever label is currently trending. Back in the day the trending term was Blue Book Gentlemen, I'm constantly around many retired American military GenX and Boomers who married women from outside of America and the ones who still rocking the Yankee fitted, Jordans, in the sweat suit with 1 pant leg rolled up are now calling themselves Passport Bros, still trying to be down even though they travelling with the whole medicine cabinet in their carryon JAJAJA.

As for simps messing it up, yes, there are allot of awkward men with extra money who just don't know when they are being taken advantage of and they will get their pockets emptied until they hit that rage moment and start bashing all women for what some women do. As for buying the expensive jewelry and expensive handbag perhaps I can provide an alternative view as to why. I myself have brought girls expensive items such as Apple products and spent more time in ELLA watching them shop than I want to be. Are these gifts? No, to me its just another form of payment to one of my regulars that ill be spending allot of time with such as a week or 2 weeks, if its Apple, I bring the item with me, if she wants to go on a shopping spree then that's even better because I can track how much I'm charging and when it gets to the agreed limit for her services the shopping stops. For example chaica says she wants Air Pods, I calculate $250 max hit the apple store and bring them wit me, she come stay a weekend with me and she gets her AirPods. So from the outside looking in, we don't know exactly why that gringo is buying those expensive items for the girl but if it is gifts on top of what they already paid for services then their pockets, their choice. Just something to think about with an alternative view point as these girls are becoming more materialistic, I remember girls in Sosua use to do services for weaves, guys would pack a suitcase full of hair and dresses and they were good for a weekend.

As for the guys whining about paying $100 are broke, perhaps these are the type of guys who are accustomed to paying 5 times that amount for a fraction of the time with a woman whos not as good looking and got crazy miles on her. Before the migrant crisis I've seen what was in Tampa, Maimi, Houston, San Fran, NYC Metro Area, Chicago, DMV Metro Area, NOLA, etc, usually its all the major Blue cities and the price they wanted for 1 hour for what they offered was more than the price of a roundtrip plane ticket to DR. It made more sense to grab a few friends and leave the country for a long weekend in a 3 bedroom 3 bathroom AirBB and split it 3 ways. Also I've had too many back and forth with too many people in Sosua chat groups that say they pay a low price for a chica but they never show what the chica looks like or say what services the chica performed and its for a very good reason due to the chica being very un attractive or overweight. I've also been on the other side where I said I paid a low price for a girl and I was called out, I'm a man of facts so I provided pictures and the conversation of the agreement, and what they did was go out of their way to find the chica tried to get with her for the same price and when she declined they showed the chica the conversation I had with her, chica got pissed and blocked me. When I told my friend what happened he said I should have never opened my mouth, I learned.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2972644]Last time I picked from the crowds in the bars and at the Clock Tower. This time, with the changes I have heard about, I think I will try the online services. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]So, I see that Cartagena gets shit on by a lot of members here, so here's my antithetical thoughts to that effect. I wouldn't go to Cartagena for a mongering trip, unless you are interested in what the street / bar scene has to offer there, as juxtaposed to what Cartagena also offers as a standard vacation spot. I went to Cartagena specifically for the street scene, amazing food, and overall pirate city / unique vibe. No traffic to deal with, no bullshit lady-drinks, no online bait & switch, etc. There are upsides to Cartagena when contrasted to Medellin and Bogota. However, Medellin would be a far better choice if you are looking for online and casa options in addition to what Lleras and Centro have to offer there. As for myself, I'm a bit of a hunter I suppose, and the street scene at Cartagena is perfect for that. Medellin's street scene is like shooting fish in a barrel comparatively, but with not so great food, air pollution, traffic, etc.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2971727]Not exactly stupid question. Those are the questions that actually spark conversations.

The term "Passport Bro" has become a blanket label for any man that travels from a more developed country to a lesser developed one to take advantage of the currency exchange in order to get what they want weather its business opportunities, property ownership / rental, sex, or etc. The term originally was for Black American men but we all know how that goes when that specific demographic group of people does something and it starts trending other groups try to jump on it to try to be trendy as well. Currently to an outside observer there is hardly any difference between Passport Bro, Tourist, Backpacker, Digital Nomad, Permanant Resident, etc, people just like to use whatever label is currently trending. Back in the day the trending term was Blue Book Gentlemen, I'm constantly around many retired American military GenX and Boomers who married women from outside of America and the ones who still rocking the Yankee fitted, Jordans, in the sweat suit with 1 pant leg rolled up are now calling themselves Passport Bros, still trying to be down even though they travelling with the whole medicine cabinet in their carryon JAJAJA.[/QUOTE]Now tell us about the pricing in major Red cities, like. Um. Wait. Are there any major Red cities?

I try again to ask my question, which I asked last November.

Anyone knows what motels in Crespo among Las Dunas, La Cangreja, La Jaiba, are still open and operating, if any?

They were my best venue before COVID to take special girls. Google Maps reports them as still open, but I know by direct experience (I tried to go there last year by taxi) that at least La Jaiba was closed and terminated to operate.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Pedrothe;2974612]Are there any major Red cities?[/QUOTE]Indianapolis, Oklahoma City, Omaha, El Paso, San Antonio and Las Vegas.

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[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2976438]"World Travel 69 has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space. ".[/QUOTE]I sent a request to the admin to have my post you referred to in your message deleted.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2976439]I sent a request to the admin to have my post you referred to in your message deleted.[/QUOTE]FYI when I click on the map link in my post: it does not give me access it says I have to request the access.

"World Travel 69 has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space. ".

I sent a request to the admin to have my post you referred to in your message deleted.

Years ago you could post more.

I cleared It.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2976441]FYI when I click on the map link in my post: it does not give me access it says I have to request the access.

"World Travel 69 has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space. ".

I sent a request to the admin to have my post you referred to in your message deleted.[/QUOTE].

Had a day open up, so I'm taking a 3 day weekend trip, well 2 full days actually, to CTG. Arrive about 1 PM Friday, leave about 1 PM Sunday, so a full 48 hours for my first trip.

I'll be staying 300 meters from the Clock Tower, which seems like a good spot for my first trip, maneuvering around should be pretty easy.

Been to Medellin and Bogota many times, 1 trip 2 years ago to Cali, and last year a few to Cuba, Jamaica and Aruba.

Honestly, no plans, just going to wander around and see what I bump into. I'm 100% sure this will work, but if there's any spectacular things I should do in the walled city, apart from chicas, do let me know. Especially any great restaurants, etc.

Thanks!

Nomars777.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2977078]Had a day open up, so I'm taking a 3 day weekend trip, well 2 full days actually, to CTG. Arrive about 1 PM Friday, leave about 1 PM Sunday, so a full 48 hours for my first trip.

I'll be staying 300 meters from the Clock Tower, which seems like a good spot for my first trip, maneuvering around should be pretty easy.

Been to Medellin and Bogota many times, 1 trip 2 years ago to Cali, and last year a few to Cuba, Jamaica and Aruba.

Honestly, no plans, just going to wander around and see what I bump into. I'm 100% sure this will work, but if there's any spectacular things I should do in the walled city, apart from chicas, do let me know. Especially any great restaurants, etc.

Thanks!


Nomars777.[/QUOTE]You should always try to clear up whether you can bring chicas up to your apartment. A lot of buidlings are restrictive -.

Restaurants that are good.

If you like Italian. Di Silvio Trattoria.

CL. 29 #9 - 72, Getsemaní (copy and paste that into Google Maps).

Crepes and Waffles.

Two locations the one in the Old City; Pl. De San Pedro Claver #4 #31-24, El Centro.

Hope you enjoy your upcoming trip. I always enjoy Mirador which is right as you enter the clocktower. The staff has always been great and I usually go there for lunch as they usually have a futbol game on. You could also go to their rooftop which gives you a full view of the clocktower scene. Another restaurant is Oudres which is more upscale and usually has a live performance you can enjoy while you eat. One more would be Cuzco Cocina which is a Peruvian restaurant that is amazing. You can't go wrong with either of these places and they are all great spots to bring a friend.

On another note. I'll be traveling to Aruba shortly and if you had any info about where to stay, guides, and St Nicolas info please share. I've asked on the Aruba thread and I'm getting crickets.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2977078]Had a day open up, so I'm taking a 3 day weekend trip, well 2 full days actually, to CTG. Arrive about 1 PM Friday, leave about 1 PM Sunday, so a full 48 hours for my first trip.

I'll be staying 300 meters from the Clock Tower, which seems like a good spot for my first trip, maneuvering around should be pretty easy.

Been to Medellin and Bogota many times, 1 trip 2 years ago to Cali, and last year a few to Cuba, Jamaica and Aruba.

Honestly, no plans, just going to wander around and see what I bump into. I'm 100% sure this will work, but if there's any spectacular things I should do in the walled city, apart from chicas, do let me know. Especially any great restaurants, etc.

Thanks!

Nomars777.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2977078]Had a day open up, so I'm taking a 3 day weekend trip, well 2 full days actually, to CTG. Arrive about 1 PM Friday, leave about 1 PM Sunday, so a full 48 hours for my first trip.

I'll be staying 300 meters from the Clock Tower, which seems like a good spot for my first trip, maneuvering around should be pretty easy.

Been to Medellin and Bogota many times, 1 trip 2 years ago to Cali, and last year a few to Cuba, Jamaica and Aruba.

Honestly, no plans, just going to wander around and see what I bump into. I'm 100% sure this will work, but if there's any spectacular things I should do in the walled city, apart from chicas, do let me know. Especially any great restaurants, etc.

Thanks!

Nomars777.[/QUOTE]And another good restaurant recommendation for somewhat high-end Colombian food is a place called Alma. I'd call it fine dining. It was really good.

Aruba options, I'll post over there.

Thanks for these recommendations, sounds like they're super close to where I'll be staying, which is convenient!

[QUOTE=WorldWideWes;2977423]Hope you enjoy your upcoming trip. I always enjoy Mirador which is right as you enter the clocktower. The staff has always been great and I usually go there for lunch as they usually have a futbol game on. You could also go to their rooftop which gives you a full view of the clocktower scene. Another restaurant is Oudres which is more upscale and usually has a live performance you can enjoy while you eat. One more would be Cuzco Cocina which is a Peruvian restaurant that is amazing. You can't go wrong with either of these places and they are all great spots to bring a friend.

On another note. I'll be traveling to Aruba shortly and if you had any info about where to stay, guides, and St Nicolas info please share. I've asked on the Aruba thread and I'm getting crickets.[/QUOTE]

Hi there.

How's the situation in old town now. I heard / read about mass crackdown on bars / clock tower and some sort of locals, calling a 'moral police squad' type to harass you few months ago; is it still the same, have things recovered? I'm thinking about heading down end of Feb / early March and even heading to Rosario for a night or two. I haven't seen any updates from the 'crackdown' so thought I'd ask. Any thoughts on Rosario for a little RnR (maybe just one are if there's a chica) .

As a senior member who has contributed quite a bit in the past to this forum (but who has been living the the good husband married life for past 10 years and now have gotten bored), I'm hoping you guys give me a little slack with the RTFF for my question. I am looking at a last minute getaway trip to Cartagena this weekend. My last trip was in 2012- way before this place got popular for all the wrong reasons. I prefer the discos and wanted to know where the best discos are now for freelancers and what the opening "ask" is by the girls? Between not having enough privacy to RTFF for updated info and a short notice upcoming visit, I'm hoping someone will help me out.

Is "Tony #1" still at Hollywood beach?

TIA.

[QUOTE=Bijou;2977630]Is "Tony #1" still at Hollywood beach?[/QUOTE]Yes. But why would you need him?

Yo thanks for that fam good lookin! I saw the info over at Chicacheck before it went offline. Her Facebook was listed on there and is wide open. Slid in the DMs but no reply. I kinda feel sorry for old dude putting a ring on a working girl but SIMPS going to be SIMPS, would never be me having a working girl parading me around like some ATM. Anyway I'm going for carnival and trying to get new info on girls and clubs. Looks like Dolce is back open and Delirium moved to where Pley Club at. Shits wild out there fam.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2939342]You don't have PM but looks like someone decided to take the girl you were looking for off the market.

The edited ones were dropped in a WhatsApp group but the original pictures are available to the public on her social media, and I made sure to put in this post they are publicly available for anyone to see as I know how the Mods here like to remove pictures.[/QUOTE]

Will be on Barranquilla for carnival and will probably stop in cartagena. All the airbnb places don't allow guests unless they are registered in advanced. Where to guys go?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2971726]Can't really tell those degenerates nothing. The moment someone try to educate them on why they shouldn't do certain things in a foreign country its met with instant backlash with the same dumb responses, "stop pocket watching, stop hating, stop dick policing, etc". Then years later they come to the same conclusion and start saying how people messed it up when they themselves were part of the problem and opened the door for others to push new boundaries. When the behavior that was contained to Delirium, started spreading to Dolce and Space I knew it was only a matter of time. Dolce went from a no filming policy to having girls dance on the bar, on that new raised platform, hookah and money guns shooting stacks of 2 mil bills. Space turned up to a straight hookah bar and having girls dance on the bar then then the Sisters started showing up in there trying to "turn up". I remember right after the lockdown people kept saying how Cartagena was too big to be ruined like Sosua and people should never compare it to Sosua but surely enough with enough time those same exact people are now saying how Cartagena is ruined.[/QUOTE]This is an Evergreen post! I couldn't have said it any better. YouTube passport bros make their money by selling a dream and eventually if they don't get enough views pushing you to their Patreon. So they're going to make it seem like these places are paradises and downplay the negatives. Like the skyrocketing prices driven by simps who don't understand the currency. Guys who want to pretend like they're in a rap music video and take videos of them with women that they are paying to be there. Honestly it's just pathetic.

The main point you made is their ridiculous claim that these places are "too big to be ruined" which is a complete lie. The reason why these places are easily ruined is because when you make YouTube videos that get 100's of 1000's sometimes millions of views, the men come to the cities all go to the same few places. In Cartagena, they flood the clock tower and go to the same 3 clubs. THREE clubs for all the mongers coming to Cartagena. So now after raids, the quality plummets and the prices rise becuase the men are desperate. Last time I was in Cartagena I had 5's and 6's quoting $150-$250 and refusing to negotiate. If you sit down yourself and add up all the airbnb costs, cost of the plane ticket, cost of additional travel expenses you could be easily paying $300+ for a chica. In the US, it's not hard to find 7's for $140. Don't tell me it's for the beaches because you get harassed literally every 2 minutes. Look at Kurt Katz's video on youtube. He's literally been to well over 100 countries and he says that Cartagena is the scammer capital of the world.

The entire scene around the clock tower, the street heading north and east from that corner, and all the surrounding streets were completely hopping.

The locals all said that after the initial "crackdown", which only lasted a short time, everything is back to normal.

If you've seen any YouTube videos, KB Travels or anyone similar, the streets were exactly like that both Friday and Saturday this weekend.

And if you like US hip-hop music, which I do, definitely check out Club Androgeno, which apparently is the old Delirium, moved into a new location. That place was packed with girls on Saturday night, just an absolutely wild scene. Took one girl home from there, an complete sweetheart. Paid way too much, but she stayed all night, and gave me complete girlfriend treatment, so I was ok with it.

Book it, you should not regret going. Great time.

[QUOTE=HotSamosa;2977596]Hi there.

How's the situation in old town now. I heard / read about mass crackdown on bars / clock tower and some sort of locals, calling a 'moral police squad' type to harass you few months ago; is it still the same, have things recovered? I'm thinking about heading down end of Feb / early March and even heading to Rosario for a night or two. I haven't seen any updates from the 'crackdown' so thought I'd ask. Any thoughts on Rosario for a little RnR (maybe just one are if there's a chica).[/QUOTE]

Hey all quick trip report here. SUPER long, especially as it was only 2 days / nights, but I had a bangin good time, pun intended!

Friday 1/24 - arrived around 1 PM, took an hour exactly to get through immigration, no thanks to the mfers who constantly try to cut the fucking line. DO NOT BE THAT ASSHOLE!! Seriously stop fucking doing that. Anyway. Uber to Soy Local Hotel. Walked to the corner store and got some essentials, then wandered around. At 4 PM, ZERO girls on the street. So I decided to sit down somewhere, get a drink and a snack and wait to see how things picked up. Headed to Mirador right by the clock tower.

First, thanks to everyone who made a restaurant recommendation, I only ate at Mirador with great views right above the clock tower, on Friday early evening, but oh my god, the ceviche corroncho was STUPENDOUS. I nearly wanted to lick the bowl, it was that good. And after initially asking the waiter, super cool dude, which to choose between that or the ceviche mixto, he immediately said corroncho and I wasn't really buying it, but afterward, definitely appreciative of that recommendation. Goddamn, near perfect. Mojitos were good to, but not as good as El Muelle in Playa Laguito, which I'll get to in Saturday's section.

2 mojitos and the ceviche down, headed out again to see what was up, now that it was pushing 7 PM. Wandered the few blocks north of clock tower, then coming back around, and ran into a girl, totally can't remember her name. She was in white shorts, white crop-top kinda, and with big titties and a nice smile, she got my attention. She made me an offer, it seemed pretty good, I told her "todo sin condon", to which she immediately responded "Si". She wanted $240 k for 2 hours and would come to my room. It was a bit far (I'm lazy) from my room, so we ended up taking a room for short time at Hotel El Viajero (keep that in your back pocket if you just want a quick bang and don't want to Uber back to a hotel, or walk). Cost was steep for 2 hours, $140 k, so also keep that in mind. Yes, I paid too much, don't kill me for that, I was in the mood and had a short attention span, so I went with it.

As usual, took her to the fucking mat. Literally and figuratively. I really wanted to go the full 2 hours, but she tapped out at exactly 59 minutes, which I was fine with. Pretty nice BJ, no condom, but she wanted to fuck and so did I. Made her get on top so I could watch those titties swing around, then moved through missionary, reverse cowgirl (not as great as usual because no front view), then finally hit her from behind and watched the titties swinging in the mirror. Fantastic view. Finally made her lie down flat on her stomach, and just pounded her pussy from behind before finishing on her back. She was ANNOYED, saying, "Baby, porque viniste en mi espalda, no hay jabon!" She thought there was no soap in the shower, she was incorrect. She showered up, I did the same. Paid her the money and seriously this girl FLED, like ran down the steps ignoring the front desk girl who was calling after her saying she forgot something at the desk. Not sure why, didn't see her on the street later after she said she'd be near the taco spot around the corner. Definitely odd. But, all in all a great first one down.

At this point, I'm super tired and just decided to wander the streets taking in the scene. It is truly a kid in the candy shop type experience, there were SO MANY girls out, it was wild. One thing I like about Cartagena (similar to Parque Lleras) is that the girls are all dolled up like they're going out to a fancy dinner. Some of the dresses they have on are just incredible. KEEP IN MIND, there are a LOT of very plain and / or downright ugly girls too. It's not all perfect, but the ratio of good to bad is probably 2:1 to 3:1, depending on your tastes. I do NOT like fake anything: BBLs, any sort of operated giant tits, etc. They look just stupid to me. But other guys LOVE THAT SHIT. If you do, you're in luck, lots of big, operated asses and huge hard as rock (look to be) tits. Luckily, lots of non-operated girls too.

Sat down at clock tower pub (right in front of clock tower), probably 200 feet from Mirador. Shot the breeze with a couple of 2 super nice older black dudes from NYC, enjoyed 2 good mojitos, then started up the walking tour again. Did a few loops, then parked myself by the corner directly under Mirador. Great post-up spot because if you see a great one while walking around, just stay there, and believe me, she'll come by again. Honestly, lots of guys getting WhatsApp numbers, but didn't see a lot of girls actually being picked up and taken away.

Finally, was about to call it quits when while walking back to Soy Local about 1:30 AM, saw Paola, darker girl, long shiny black hair just just gave me the longest, hardest eye-fuck I'd had in a while, so I stared right back. Wasn't sure if I wanted to do anything about it, but she comes back and makes me a good offer $200 k for 2 hours, whatever I want. She said, "I'm really good at sexo oral" and so off we went.

She wasn't lying, bareback blowjob was one of the best I've had in a really long time, of course I finally decide it's time to fuck, so it basically was a repeat from girl #1, on top, big titties swinging, then reverse cowgirl, missionary, doggie, and then finally on the bed lying flat until I blasted on her ass and back. Very nice. She said she was tired and was going to head home, but based on her cleanup routine in the bathroom, I think she was just getting ready to hit the streets again. Lots of re-application of makeup and perfume. I thought it was a little funny that she asked to use my deodorant, but sure ok.

I walked her down, she left, and I went to sleep.

Saturday - 1/25 - beach day for a while.

After not sleeping as well or as long as I'd wanted to, decided to get up and go for a long walk from centro to Playa Laguito, about 3 miles total (5 kms). Nice walk, interesting to watch the change in buildings, construction, beach shacks selling food and drinks, all the way down to Laguito. Didn't realize I'd walked right by Playa Hollywood (or Holiwood as some folks spell it) and took a backtrack to walk Hollywood. Not much in the way of girls out, but a few.

Side note on BEACH VENDORS: 2 comments on the beach area that are NOT in alignment with others' observations. 1) the beach was NOT a terrible experience. The umbrella rental costs seem steep and one of the guys I ran into later Saturday afternoon said he actually saw a beach vendor pull out 2 different menus with rental costs, 1 for locals and 1 for foreigners. These are the printed / laminated cards that have the costs for umbrellas, chairs, recliner chairs, etc. , so yes, Gringo pricing is a thing. That said, I got a mojito from one of the little shacks and by speaking Spanish and not being an asshole I don't think I was overcharged or treated differently, all the folks were very nice. 2) I was NOT accosted by beach vendors / touts / massage ladies every 20 meters as others have noted. I'm not saying that doesn't happen, it just didn't happen to me. 2 or 3 massage ladies made their offers, I politely turned them down, they attempted a "sample" where they rub your shoulders / neck, whatever, I still politely turned them down and they moved on, all a pleasant interaction, nothing terrible. The cigar vendors were also willing to take "No Gracias" and walk away. The bracelet vendors same thing. I did see 2 older gringos react very negatively and very strongly with some inappropriate language and that got a very bad reaction in return. Not telling people what to do, but if you behave like an asshole, you're probably going to get shitty / asshole treatment in return. Just sayin'.

Anyway, walked back to Laguito, checked out the guys gutting fish, saw a chef walking back to Muelle holding a live lobster, which was interesting, and then headed to Muelle Playa Laguito to eat. It's a nice setup, great ambiance, they let you leave your belongings at the table if you want to go swim in the ocean and they're basically keeping an eye on your stuff for you. Food was VERY good. I got a fried mojarra (tilapia), with brown rice mixed with beans, a sliced avocado and some salad, but the real gem was the Canasta de jaiba / crabs braskets for $36,000. 00 for my appetizer. Another near "lick the plate" experience. Goddamn!! Plus the mojitos were the best of the trip. Sat, enjoyed my drinks, paid the bill about 3 PM, walked 1/2 mile back, then decided to grab a taxi. Took a nap, then decided to walk around starting about 7 PM, similar to Friday night. That was a great plan.

Ran across Joana / Martina. Really pretty mid-30's Colombiana. Took her for a drink to El Pasquin, which is a great place as well. Nice drinks, the other guests said their food was really good. Her phone was not charging and she was super agitated by this, so she left to go get it working and after 30 minutes, I called it a "date" and left. No harm done. Met a younger black american guy who said we could walk around and check the scene together. I said, yep, sounds like a great plan. Dude was super cool and we had a nice conversation about Cartagena, the street scene, how his days are like (he lives in an Airbnb down Copacabana beach near the mall there, which he said was nice), and then ran into 2 other black guys from the US.

PASSPORT BROS SIDE NOTE: I know that many folks who post here are anti-passport bros, which almost invariably means black American men, and I do understand the agitation with some of their over the top behaviors. Hell I even saw a black American woman just twerking her ass off in the middle of a street, singing along with a hip-hop song emanating from one of the nearby bars (it was a great ass, so I was in favor of this behavior). However, I will say I had an absolutely spectacular time hanging out with these 3 black guys as a mid-50's white guy. Was one of them really over the top, yes, but he was just so damn happy and excited by all the girls in the street, and the quantity of WhatsApp numbers he was getting that when he just yelled out to no one in particular "GODDAMN I LOVE COLOMBIAAAAAA! I could only laugh and agree. It was hilarious. Just an expression of near pure joy that was fun to witness.

Streets were hopping. Lots and lots and lots and yes EVEN MORE really hot girls out in the plaza, on the street everywhere, the guys were just chasing them down getting numbers, and the girls were sending picture after picture after picture to them of every single pose you can imagine, many of which were pretty freaking amazing. These girls are all professional level marketing majors, and know how to sell their products. They may not speak English in person, but they certainly speak it plenty well enough via WhatsApp to lure almost any guy in.

About 10:30 PM or so, one guy suggests we finally get a move on to Club Androgeno, which out nearly 3 miles from centro but more inland. Address: Avenida el bosque 21 #48-72, Diagonal A #4-72, Cartagena de Indias, Bolívar, Colombia.

We ordered an Uber it and took for fucking ever to arrive, because the traffic was stupid. Finally get in the car, arrive, get out, walk in, and the entrance area has a "cantina" type vibe to it, salsa music by the bar, etc. And I thought to myself, "Doesn't seem like an Urban club, USA style". Well, we get to the main part of the club and yeah, much more like an Atlanta strip club. The one guy pays for a bottle of Tequila for $800 k (Yes you read that right), which comes with a table for us to claim our spot by, 4 Canada Dry small mixer bottles plus some limes with spicy salt, and we have a shot. Not a ton of girls around, but more than enough, and more streaming in every minute. The excited guy is wide awake now, getting numbers, having the girls grind on him, clothed lap dances, etc. And we're just laughing he was enjoying himself so much. About 11:30 PM, I'm thinking I might dip early, but was going to hang out and see.

Nope. Midnight rolls around and the club is now so packed with girls, probably 3:1 girls to guys, the DJ is just rocking out the hip-hop tunes and it was fucking amazing. Everybody dancing, having a good time, had quite a few girls come up to me to get my WhatsApp, but wouldn't you know that the ONLY place my Verizon Travel Pass didn't work well was inside Androgeno. Seriously, like WTF.

The club is loud, so it's hard to communicate, which is probably where the Google Translate would be most useful. That said, I was able to speak and hear well enough that I didn't use it.

One girl, Elizabeth, lighter skinned, long red braids, tiny titties but great ass on her, finally comes up after I signaled to her to come have a shot. This leads her to have another, we chat, she's super happy that I speak Spanish, we chat and dance and grind and have some tit grabbing, with some nipple action mixed in for probably 2 hours. Somewhere in there we go to the front, have some surprisingly good wings and fries (yes, it's a US strip club experience at this point) and we go back inside. More shots, dancing, etc. Until about 3:15 AM, when we head finally outside. We all shoot the shit for a while, get some rides lined up and take off. At this point, the shots on an empty stomach (prior to the wings and fries) are catching up to my friend, so she has the driver pull over 3 separate times to "unload" what she just ate. YIKES! Guy was super cool about it, told me "See I deserve that 30 k for the ride that you talked me down to $25 k". Yeah, he definitely did. Ended up giving him $50 k because he was so solid in handling the bad experience. Girl was a pro though, no extra on the door or the inside of the car, everything outside. Whew.

Get to the room, she's feeling a lot better after we had some water and chatted. She takes a shower, I do the same, and off to the bed. About 2 hours of good times, basically a repeat of the prior 2. Every position, 2-3 x, a few breather breaks in between, finally a good nut to finish the evening's festivities. Awesome.

Around 9 AM we get up, she showered up again, I walk her downstairs to retrieve her cedula, make sure she's in a taxi and on her way and that was the end of my trip. 2 nights, 2 days, 3 girls. Quite a reduction from my usual numbers, but I really enjoyed this trip. Super relaxing, tons of fun, a giant party for me at the end. Fantastic.

All in all, great experience and I would not hesitate to go to CTG again. In fact, given that I like the hot, humid tropical weather, plus the ocean, it makes for an attractive place for me for a 3-4 night trip. Any longer and I think it's so small I'd probably burn out. Any shorter, like this 2 night trip and it's not quite enough. 3-4 nights would be near perfect. A week would be perfect if I mixed in a lot more beach activities, like swimming, a boat tour probably at night, that sort of thing. Supposedly there are some day-trips to a nearby island that is supposed to be fun.

INFO ON AIRPORT CTG for those who want a recent "how long is the wait in line" observation: I checked in online and had my digital boarding pass, so only had to head straight to security. The security line was not long, but man, the process of just "checking out" using the automated machines the same as they use in BOG was just sooooo much longer. No idea why. The Americans in line just didn't get how to use the machine (simple, place passport, DO NOT REMOVE IT, key in your flight number, wait for the machine to take your photo and wait for the green light signal, only then remove the passport, gate will open and you're on your way.) Screening of the bag was super quick after that. If they could speed up the passport scanning piece, the whole thing would've been 10 minutes quicker.

All that said, I left the hotel at 10 AM for a noon flight, but by the time I was through security and waiting at the gate, including travel time by Uber, it was 45 minutes. So I probably could have left 15-30 minutes later and gotten there just as boarding began, but maybe that's pushing it a little too closely.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2978604]definitely check out Club Androgeno, which apparently is the old Delirium, moved into a new location.[/QUOTE]Huh? Is that like if every board is changed out on a ship, is it still the same ship? Club is in a different place with a different name, then how can it be the club that was somewhere else with a different name?

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2977773]This is an Evergreen post! I couldn't have said it any better. YouTube passport bros make their money by selling a dream and eventually if they don't get enough views pushing you to their Patreon. So they're going to make it seem like these places are paradises and downplay the negatives. Like the skyrocketing prices driven by simps who don't understand the currency. Guys who want to pretend like they're in a rap music video and take videos of them with women that they are paying to be there. Honestly it's just pathetic.

The main point you made is their ridiculous claim that these places are "too big to be ruined" which is a complete lie. The reason why these places are easily ruined is because when you make YouTube videos that get 100's of 1000's sometimes millions of views, the men come to the cities all go to the same few places. In Cartagena, they flood the clock tower and go to the same 3 clubs. THREE clubs for all the mongers coming to Cartagena. So now after raids, the quality plummets and the prices rise becuase the men are desperate. Last time I was in Cartagena I had 5's and 6's quoting $150-$250 and refusing to negotiate. If you sit down yourself and add up all the airbnb costs, cost of the plane ticket, cost of additional travel expenses you could be easily paying $300+ for a chica. In the US, it's not hard to find 7's for $140. Don't tell me it's for the beaches because you get harassed literally every 2 minutes. Look at Kurt Katz's video on youtube. He's literally been to well over 100 countries and he says that Cartagena is the scammer capital of the world.[/QUOTE]I agree. Cartagena is the worse out of the cities in Colombia. Between the begging and heat. It's unbearable.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2978604]The entire scene around the clock tower, the street heading north and east from that corner, and all the surrounding streets were completely hopping.

The locals all said that after the initial "crackdown", which only lasted a short time, everything is back to normal.

If you've seen any YouTube videos, KB Travels or anyone similar, the streets were exactly like that both Friday and Saturday this weekend.

And if you like US hip-hop music, which I do, definitely check out Club Androgeno, which apparently is the old Delirium, moved into a new location. That place was packed with girls on Saturday night, just an absolutely wild scene. Took one girl home from there, an complete sweetheart. Paid way too much, but she stayed all night, and gave me complete girlfriend treatment, so I was ok with it.

Book it, you should not regret going. Great time.[/QUOTE]Damn, I love your recap of your 2 days / 2 nights there. I had a similar experience in Medellin, just meeting random dudes and all of us hanging out and checking out sites. What'd you think of Soy Local, was it easy enough to bring the girls back? I assume they check their ids, any joiner fees?

Reading your recap, I'm ready to take off tomorrow LOL. I'm heading down probably last week of Feb, if not the week before.

Inside the club, they actually had "Delirium" signage, shirts on the servers, and a few other places, even though the club itself is named Androgeno Latin Club, with the address as listed.

Why that is, I couldn't say, and I didn't really think to interrogate them as to why that was.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2978698]Huh? Is that like if every board is changed out on a ship, is it still the same ship? Club is in a different place with a different name, then how can it be the club that was somewhere else with a different name?[/QUOTE]

Upon check-in, the woman at the desk, after all the normal costs, signing the guest form, paying the bill upfront for the nights to be stayed, etc. Gives a rundown of the "guest policy", basically she said, in English no less, "If you meet someone and decide to bring them here, please know that we will take their physical identification and hold it while they're here. We will not give it back to them until you return to the front desk with them and instruct us that everything is ok and that we can return their identification to them."

At that, I was well satisfied that things would be ok.

Best part, I took 2 guests back and unlike in Medellin, there was zero guest charge. Just turn the ID over, the front desk person makes a note in a notebook and files the ID in an folder organizer, and off you go to the room. When you return, they ask the girl what her name is, check the notebook, retrieve it from the folder and off she goes.

For me in Medellin, most hotels wanted $100 k per guest, so between $20 and $25 USD at current exchange rates.

Given that the girls in Cartagena at least TRY to charge more, if you factor out the added guest charge that you'd pay in Medellin, the 2 become more comparable. Although Hotel Nutibara in Medellin centro did not charge me any guest fees either.

Bottom line, Soy Local Centro Historico was a decent enough place, with an ideal location near to all the action that if you wanted to bring multiple girls back over multiple days, the savings in terms of not paying guest fees could be pretty substantial.

NOTE: be aware that they use some sort of powerfully scented cleaning solution when mopping the floors throughout the building. If you're sensitive to strong smells, this might not be the place for you. Think Fabuloso type strong smell. If you like that, or are used to it because your family uses it, then you'll be fine. For me it hit me hard when I first was in the lobby checking in, but got used to it over the next 2 days. Just an FYI.

OTHER NOTE: The guys I met were staying at an OZ Hotel down in Bocagrande and they also said guests were allowed and did not mention guest fees being charged.

[QUOTE=HotSamosa;2978738]Damn, I love your recap of your 2 days / 2 nights there. I had a similar experience in Medellin, just meeting random dudes and all of us hanging out and checking out sites. What'd you think of Soy Local, was it easy enough to bring the girls back? I assume they check their ids, any joiner fees?

Reading your recap, I'm ready to take off tomorrow LOL. I'm heading down probably last week of Feb, if not the week before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2978845]Inside the club, they actually had "Delirium" signage, shirts on the servers, and a few other places, even though the club itself is named Androgeno Latin Club, with the address as listed.

Why that is, I couldn't say, and I didn't really think to interrogate them as to why that was.[/QUOTE]Some back story.

The person who owns Delirium also owns Androgeno.

When they shut down Delirium (some say the mayor shut it down others say the owner shut it down to remodel). The owner took all the signage and decor and move it to Androgeno because he knew a certain type of crowd will follow and sure enough like flies on shit they did follow. It then became too packed because it was too small so they expanded it but even so it still too damn small and the experience is still the same. I don't know about everyone else but I'm not a fan of having no 300 lb man rubbing his beer belly against me every time he has to go to the damn bathroom or be shoulder to shoulder with someone drenched in sweat with volume control issues repeating the same dumb ass phrases over and over (like I said; you know what it is; what I'm saying is; you know what I'm saying).

On a sidenote:

Another thing that people arent talking about is the big problem happening in Cartagena with those Ray-Ban camera glasses especially in Delirium / Androgeno and its going to lead to the same thing that happened in Brazil where some guys were using Osmo Pocket to record the girls while having sex with them and the girls didn't know. They are doing the same thing in Cartagena with the girls in Androgeno, the girls already picked up on it, took pictures of the guys wearing the glasses in the club and the glasses and they are talking about it.

Someone is going to get jammed up real good in Cartagena because of those glasses. Bookmark this post as the "I told you so".

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2977654]Yo thanks for that fam good lookin! I saw the info over at Chicacheck before it went offline. Her Facebook was listed on there and is wide open. Slid in the DMs but no reply. I kinda feel sorry for old dude putting a ring on a working girl but SIMPS going to be SIMPS, would never be me having a working girl parading me around like some ATM. Anyway I'm going for carnival and trying to get new info on girls and clubs. Looks like Dolce is back open and Delirium moved to where Pley Club at. Shits wild out there fam.[/QUOTE]One mans trash is another mans treasure.

Yea ChicaCheck now redirects to PattayaA so allot of information on these girls are now gone. As for the chica posting herself with gringo all over her social media, its something allot of gringos don't understand unless they experienced the poor mentality. It like someone spending $300 on Jordans to floss to strangers they have money but in reality, there's $0 in the bank account and they are living paycheck to paycheck. What the chica is doing is flossing the gringo to show what she got paying all the bills, the same thing happens in the Philippines where the girls takes the gringo back to her slum and shows him off and he ends up becoming the ATM for the whole family. Eventually once they drain his pockets and move on hes going to get his wake up call just like so many others.

Space / Omina got shut down again.

Caf del Mar just disappeared, everything is gone, and I'm surprised that no one had even mentioned that yet as it was a popular place for sunset pictures and drinks.

Dolce is open but I would not suggest that you limit yourself to the same 3 overpacked gringo clubs, a Clock Tower and a dirty ass Beach (Hollywood).

As for Carnival, you might want to start contacting girls now to see if they are available.

Chicas who are getting paid are not being bothered with staying in Cartagena, they are all trying to go to Europe, Mexico is now the poor mans travel spot to take chicas. Even the Trans are up on that game getting flown out to Spain. The ones who already did Mexico, Spain, Dubai are trying to get to Maimi and NYC but now it's a little more difficult since the border shut down. It's all over their social media, these chicas are just there to take photos to post on social media.

Theres allot I'm not saying but allot of people are going to get their wakeup call while out of the country in 2025 because people been watching and they been dropping photos in group chats of these people doing dumb shit while overseas.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2978657]

PASSPORT BROS SIDE NOTE: I know that many folks who post here are anti-passport bros, which almost invariably means black American men, and I do understand the agitation with some of their over the top behaviors. Hell I even saw a black American woman just twerking her ass off in the middle of a street, singing along with a hip-hop song emanating from one of the nearby bars (it was a great ass, so I was in favor of this behavior). However, I will say I had an absolutely spectacular time hanging out with these 3 black guys as a mid-50's white guy. Was one of them really over the top, yes, but he was just so damn happy and excited by all the girls in the street, and the quantity of WhatsApp numbers he was getting that when he just yelled out to no one in particular "GODDAMN I LOVE COLOMBIAAAAAA! I could only laugh and agree. It was hilarious. Just an expression of near pure joy that was fun to witness.
[/QUOTE]I'm going to guess that you found it amusing because its not something that is a constant in your life. To elaborate I'm guessing where you come from, you don't hang out with individuals who display that type of behavior on a daily basis so one night of loud mouths and a woman twerking in the middle of the street was fun to you to witness. By the 100th time you see it you will see it as an annoyance JAJAJ.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2978845]Inside the club, they actually had "Delirium" signage, shirts on the servers, and a few other places, even though the club itself is named Androgeno Latin Club, with the address as listed.

Why that is, I couldn't say, and I didn't really think to interrogate them as to why that was.[/QUOTE]Hell, to save some money. Nothing wrong with that!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2978972]someone drenched in sweat with volume control issues repeating the same dumb ass phrases over and over (like I said; you know what it is; what I'm saying is; you know what I'm saying).
[/QUOTE]LOL. I was watching a podcast the other day and a guy kept saying "you know what I'm saying? The host got on him about it. Then in place of that, he started saying "right? Why do people do that shit? It would take half the time to say what they have to say if they leave out the repetitive fillers.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2978978]the same thing happens in the Philippines where the girls takes the gringo back to her slum and shows him off and he ends up becoming the ATM for the whole family. Eventually once they drain his pockets and move on hes going to get his wake up call just like so many others.

[/QUOTE]No they won't. They will just go find another chick and repeat the same thing. Speak of the devil though, I have been standing in this immigration line in the Philippines for 45 minutes.

You are right on with this observation. I saw at least 2 guys who had them, and I noticed that a little light would come on by the right hinge on the lens side of the glasses when they were recording. I didn't say anything because the dude was 2 x my size, but yeah, it's fairly obvious when the light is on that there's something happening.

Won't be long before people get pissed and someone gets their head cracked.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2978972]Some back story.

The person who owns Delirium also owns Androgeno.

When they shut down Delirium (some say the mayor shut it down others say the owner shut it down to remodel). The owner took all the signage and decor and move it to Androgeno because he knew a certain type of crowd will follow and sure enough like flies on shit they did follow. It then became too packed because it was too small so they expanded it but even so it still too damn small and the experience is still the same. I don't know about everyone else but I'm not a fan of having no 300 lb man rubbing his beer belly against me every time he has to go to the damn bathroom or be shoulder to shoulder with someone drenched in sweat with volume control issues repeating the same dumb ass phrases over and over (like I said; you know what it is; what I'm saying is; you know what I'm saying).

On a sidenote:

Another thing that people arent talking about is the big problem happening in Cartagena with those Ray-Ban camera glasses especially in Delirium / Androgeno and its going to lead to the same thing that happened in Brazil where some guys were using Osmo Pocket to record the girls while having sex with them and the girls didn't know. They are doing the same thing in Cartagena with the girls in Androgeno, the girls already picked up on it, took pictures of the guys wearing the glasses in the club and the glasses and they are talking about it.

Someone is going to get jammed up real good in Cartagena because of those glasses. Bookmark this post as the "I told you so".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2978849]Upon check-in, the woman at the desk, after all the normal costs, signing the guest form, paying the bill upfront for the nights to be stayed, etc. Gives a rundown of the "guest policy", basically she said, in English no less, "If you meet someone and decide to bring them here, please know that we will take their physical identification and hold it while they're here. We will not give it back to them until you return to the front desk with them and instruct us that everything is ok and that we can return their identification to them."

At that, I was well satisfied that things would be ok.

Best part, I took 2 guests back and unlike in Medellin, there was zero guest charge. Just turn the ID over, the front desk person makes a note in a notebook and files the ID in an folder organizer, and off you go to the room. When you return, they ask the girl what her name is, check the notebook, retrieve it from the folder and off she goes.

For me in Medellin, most hotels wanted $100 k per guest, so between $20 and $25 USD at current exchange rates.

Given that the girls in Cartagena at least TRY to charge more, if you factor out the added guest charge that you'd pay in Medellin, the 2 become more comparable. Although Hotel Nutibara in Medellin centro did not charge me any guest fees either.

Bottom line, Soy Local Centro Historico was a decent enough place, with an ideal location near to all the action that if you wanted to bring multiple girls back over multiple days, the savings in terms of not paying guest fees could be pretty substantial.

NOTE: be aware that they use some sort of powerfully scented cleaning solution when mopping the floors throughout the building. If you're sensitive to strong smells, this might not be the place for you. Think Fabuloso type strong smell. If you like that, or are used to it because your family uses it, then you'll be fine. For me it hit me hard when I first was in the lobby checking in, but got used to it over the next 2 days. Just an FYI.

OTHER NOTE: The guys I met were staying at an OZ Hotel down in Bocagrande and they also said guests were allowed and did not mention guest fees being charged.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Soy Local / Oz Hotel and Oz Hotel Luxury are all full the days I'm there. There are plenty others, so I'll keep searching and contacting them on their joiner fees (most have them, the cheapest I found so far is 75,000; most are 100,000 like Medellin).

Hi guys, Going to Cartagena with my American girlfriend in April. We are going to be together almost the entire time. She has a 10 am hair appointment on a Sunday which will give me about a two hour window to fool around. Where can I find a girl and have her in that 2 hour window? TIA!

[QUOTE=RichardGastow;2982048]Hi guys, Going to Cartagena with my American girlfriend in April. We are going to be together almost the entire time. She has a 10 am hair appointment on a Sunday which will give me about a two hour window to fool around. Where can I find a girl and have her in that 2 hour window? TIA![/QUOTE]Because you are bringing "Sand to the Beach", you should stay with your girlfriend unless you can't stand to be with her and need to try to get away from her every chance you get, even while on vacation with her.

[QUOTE=RichardGastow;2982048]Hi guys, Going to Cartagena with my American girlfriend in April. We are going to be together almost the entire time. She has a 10 am hair appointment on a Sunday which will give me about a two hour window to fool around. Where can I find a girl and have her in that 2 hour window? TIA![/QUOTE]I can't say for sure yet since I'm not there but maybe use the sites, contact them via whatsapp and off you go? I can report when I'm back early March; but in the meantime, lookup.

Mileroticos, skokka, prepagos? I have no experience w / them but was looking at those sites.

[QUOTE=RichardGastow;2982048]Hi guys, Going to Cartagena with my American girlfriend in April. We are going to be together almost the entire time. She has a 10 am hair appointment on a Sunday which will give me about a two hour window to fool around. Where can I find a girl and have her in that 2 hour window? TIA![/QUOTE]Depends on the time but they are all over the "centro histórico " inside the walled city.

Hello guys, first time south America but have Mongered around in europe, Asia, America and Canada. I know south America is diffrent and I have read a lot around here but still have a few questions. I'll be in cartagana middle of March with a few guy friends all looking for girls. We have an airbnb with security. My first question is everyone says get hotels instead of bring them back but my friends don't feel safe being left alone in hotels and going there with girls so they prefer yo get girls to the airbnb. We're not bringing any belongings and 1 person will not drink or do anything to try to keep everyone safe with the security.

Question 1.

Is it better to pick up girls and walk back with them to the airbnb or get the WhatsApp and call them later.

Also a friend of a friend went to csrtagana pre dolce vita being closed and he said what they did is just go there pick up WhatsApp then call whoever they liked back and it was fine.

2nd would it be better if I tell my other friends to just pick a girl they really like and just pay her for the whole night / call her even night we are there and just don't deal with their scared news?

Also they don't speak Spanish but are bringing translating headphones and have esimcards. I speak Spanish but obv I want to have fun myself.

Thanks in advance.

Hello guys, first time south America but have Mongered around in europe, Asia, America and Canada. I know south America is diffrent and I have read a lot around here but still have a few questions. I'll be in cartagana middle of March with a few guy friends all looking for girls. We have an airbnb with security. My first question is everyone says get hotels instead of bring them back but my friends don't feel safe being left alone in hotels and going there with girls so they prefer yo get girls to the airbnb. We're not bringing any belongings and 1 person will not drink or do anything to try to keep everyone safe with the security.

Question 1.

Is it better to pick up girls and walk back with them to the airbnb or get the WhatsApp and call them later.

Also a friend of a friend went to csrtagana pre dolce vita being closed and he said what they did is just go there pick up WhatsApp then call whoever they liked back and it was fine.

2nd would it be better if I tell my other friends to just pick a girl they really like and just pay her for the whole night / call her even night we are there and just don't deal with their scared news?

Also they don't speak Spanish but are bringing translating headphones and have esimcards. I speak Spanish but obv I want to have fun myself.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=RichardGastow;2982048]Hi guys, Going to Cartagena with my American girlfriend in April. We are going to be together almost the entire time. She has a 10 am hair appointment on a Sunday which will give me about a two hour window to fool around. Where can I find a girl and have her in that 2 hour window? TIA![/QUOTE]If your window is only 2 hours at 10 am on a Sunday you have to consider a few things.

- Chicas are knocked out sleeping because they were in the clubs on Saturday all night.

- Chicas are on their way home because they were with a gringo the night before.

- Chicas are locked in an went with a gringo to an island for the day or a boat.

- You cannot take the girl back to your place, so you have to find a short time hotel.

With the above in mind, I would suggest scheduling something form a website where you go to where the girl is, most likely it will be in Bario Torices, it would be better is the are in Bocagrande.

Don't get caught, it would be so dumb to get caught but if you do, I would love to be the person sitting next to you two on the plane. Best flight ever jajaja.

[QUOTE=Clhunter2;2982435]Hello guys, first time south America but have Mongered around in europe, Asia, America and Canada. I know south America is diffrent and I have read a lot around here but still have a few questions. I'll be in cartagana middle of March with a few guy friends all looking for girls. We have an airbnb with security. My first question is everyone says get hotels instead of bring them back but my friends don't feel safe being left alone in hotels and going there with girls so they prefer yo get girls to the airbnb. We're not bringing any belongings and 1 person will not drink or do anything to try to keep everyone safe with the security.

Question 1.

Is it better to pick up girls and walk back with them to the airbnb or get the WhatsApp and call them later.

Also a friend of a friend went to csrtagana pre dolce vita being closed and he said what they did is just go there pick up WhatsApp then call whoever they liked back and it was fine.

2nd would it be better if I tell my other friends to just pick a girl they really like and just pay her for the whole night / call her even night we are there and just don't deal with their scared news?

Also they don't speak Spanish but are bringing translating headphones and have esimcards. I speak Spanish but obv I want to have fun myself.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Clhunter2]Is it better to pick up girls and walk back with them to the airbnb or get the WhatsApp and call them later.
Also a friend of a friend went to csrtagana pre dolce vita being closed and he said what they did is just go there pick up WhatsApp then call whoever they liked back and it was fine.[/QUOTE]As someone who have gotten numbers at night to call them later, it worked in the past but its not the same anymore. I've had friends join me and they used that method of getting numbers at night and calling the girl during the day and most of the time the results were a mixture of:

1. The chica is not responding because she's currently with another gringo.

2. They completely forgot what the chica looked like and they cannot see the chica profile picture because of her whatsapp settings and the chica never added him to her contacts.

3. Before the night ends they saw the girl leave the club with another gringo who looks sloppy AF and they decided if she's letting that sloppy dude smash then they don't want to be going after him.

4. The chica is in the airport flying back to Medellin or at the bus terminal getting ready to leave as she was only there for the weekend.

[QUOTE=Clhunter2]2nd would it be better if I tell my other friends to just pick a girl they really like and just pay her for the whole night / call her even night we are there and just don't deal with their scared news?[/QUOTE]No, I personally would not meet a new chica and pay her for the whole night as I don't know how good the sex will be or how she will behave. I've made the mistake of seeing a girl with a crazy good natural body, took her for the night and she was terrible at BJs where she scrapped up my entire shaft and her pussy was so banged out that I could put 2 fingers in there and not touch any walls. Straight up hotdog down a hallway. But it was already 3 am and nothing was left on the street, I was so pissed! Now, new chicas I try for an hour before I commit for the night. If it sucks I'm only losing 200 mil - 300 mil vs 400 mil - 600 mil.

[QUOTE=Clhunter2]Also they don't speak Spanish but are bringing translating headphones and have esimcards. I speak Spanish but obv I want to have fun myself. [/QUOTE]Speaking Spanish is not critically important in Cartagena, but it helps. You will see lots of people using google translate, but if I were your friends I would jump on Babel, Drops, or Duo Lingo and start learning some basic things to communicate. They should at least learn how to say things that pertain to their best interest and well-being. The back story to this comment is I previously travelled with a friend who has high blood pressure and diabetes. Before he left I told his dumb ass to learn how to say no salt and no sugar in Spanish so that when he orders food he won't have a problem. He said " ima tell no salt and no sugar and that's it". Long story short his ass never learned how to say "sin sal" or "sin azucar" and he had an episode. He didn't tell me anything and I had no idea until the next day when I went to the spot to get breakfast, and the waiter asked me if my friend was ok and told me what happened.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2972946]Man this is a well written post by an apparent genius guys like you need to post more often. You literally took what I was thinking to the next level.[/QUOTE]This popped into my feed over the weekend. I was a nice laugh watching it on the way to work this morning and the comments section is a gut buster but it's a good hustle. It reminded me of this post and the topic of Passport Bros.

Imagine paying someone $3000 to learn how to get women in a city that is heavily influenced on selling sex. Might as well fly to Thailand and charge consultation fees of how to find a wife in Pattaya. Oh wait. Too late for that since people are Zooming over there. Matter a fact a bunch of them Passport Bro YouTubers are there right now including the one that got stranded in Sosua when he ran out of money. He's another one who picture got dropped in the CTG chica network for girls to avoid.

[URL]https://youtu.be/S9UnGk_jshA[/URL]

First thing I thought was, "You're paying this obvious complete loser $3,000+++ to help you figure out how to get girls in a city where all you need to do is make eye contact, raise one eyebrow, see the response, then go chat them up?

Are these guys out of their freaking minds? Jesus, at this point I should setup a "consultation" service. Seriously, telling this guy to buy a leather jacket, like he needs that in Medellin.

What a fucking joke.

Anyway, rant over.

Can't wait to get to Medellin in April!! Woohoooo!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2983892]This popped into my feed over the weekend. I was a nice laugh watching it on the way to work this morning and the comments section is a gut buster but it's a good hustle. It reminded me of this post and the topic of Passport Bros.

Imagine paying someone $3000 to learn how to get women in a city that is heavily influenced on selling sex. Might as well fly to Thailand and charge consultation fees of how to find a wife in Pattaya. Oh wait. Too late for that since people are Zooming over there. Matter a fact a bunch of them Passport Bro YouTubers are there right now including the one that got stranded in Sosua when he ran out of money. He's another one who picture got dropped in the CTG chica network for girls to avoid.

[URL]https://youtu.be/S9UnGk_jshA[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Interstella;2938627]So, figured I would make report, though this was in Cartagena 7 months ago, so, oldish info. It was kind of funny, this was my first real mongering focused trip, and literally days after I booked everything non-refundable (cheapest), the Mayor of Cartagena issues a moratorium on prostitution in Old Town. Thought that was going to make finding women difficult, but showed up and the ladies were all out and about!

The first night went almost too well, as I found a serious cutie in less than 10 minutes. Set me back 400 K. The women out and about seemed innumerable at the time because I hadn't really taken the scene fully in yet. The next night brought things into better perspective, as I spent hours on the stroll in Old Town. There were maybe 75-100 women out in total throughout the night. Girls get scooped quick if they are a serious looker! All the good choices dried up on night 2 as it was getting very late, and so I took what was a 6/10 back to my room, and once her clothes came off that score dropped to a 5. Same thing with other nights, there are definitely 7's and 8's out there every night, but they are few and far between, so if you see something good, you've got to go for it instantly. As compared to Medellin's Parque Lleras which I would hit a few months later, CTG is definitely NOT as good as far as selection, but still not bad at all. Additionally, as opposed to CTG's Old Town, it was not uncommon in Lleras to see a very good looking woman sit there all night, even on different nights, without a single customer.

I really enjoyed Cartagena, and will be returning. I think it's a good mix of vacation and hobbying. Whereas, I found myself getting miserably bored during the day in Medellin, while breathing in sulfury air, allst while eating mostly mediocre food and not daring to leave Poblado on foot after dark. That being said, definitely going back to Medellin sometime too, haha.[/QUOTE]Interesting post. I go to Aruba a lot as a single dude. I use a decent service that drops the gals off at my hotel. Mainly Venezuelan and Columbiana's in Aruba. However, it's too much of a couple's paradise which has started to gnaw at me. LOL.

Thinking of going to Medellin but really need a beach and mongering combined. So Cartagena and Santa Marta come to mind.

Anyway, thanks for your post and that info.

What's interesting most of those guys in that video looked like dorks! Man I'm starting to see more YouTube guys charging consulting fees on travel but on dating advice dude like come on. That guy is on his way to becoming a millionaire. I strongly suggest these dudes look at some of Andrew Tate old videos for inspiration.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2983892]This popped into my feed over the weekend. I was a nice laugh watching it on the way to work this morning and the comments section is a gut buster but it's a good hustle. It reminded me of this post and the topic of Passport Bros.

Imagine paying someone $3000 to learn how to get women in a city that is heavily influenced on selling sex. Might as well fly to Thailand and charge consultation fees of how to find a wife in Pattaya. Oh wait. Too late for that since people are Zooming over there. Matter a fact a bunch of them Passport Bro YouTubers are there right now including the one that got stranded in Sosua when he ran out of money. He's another one who picture got dropped in the CTG chica network for girls to avoid.

[URL]https://youtu.be/S9UnGk_jshA[/URL][/QUOTE]

Is this place even worth visiting in 2025?

[QUOTE=XBeatle;2984201]Interesting post. I go to Aruba a lot as a single dude. I use a decent service that drops the gals off at my hotel. Mainly Venezuelan and Columbiana's in Aruba. However, it's too much of a couple's paradise which has started to gnaw at me. LOL.

Thinking of going to Medellin but really need a beach and mongering combined. So Cartagena and Santa Marta come to mind.

Anyway, thanks for your post and that info.[/QUOTE]Hey,

I was wondering if you could share more info about the drop off service of the gals to your hotel. I would like to do it next time I go.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2984684]Is this place even worth visiting in 2025?[/QUOTE]If you go solely for women, Medellin and Bogota are better. Cartagena has a lot more black women and if you like them, I would probably say go to Cali as it is so much cheaper than Cartagena.

With Cartagena, you know you are getting 90 degree highs during the days and 75 degree lows during the night. Most days will be filled with sun and really the only climate variations are wind and rain. The beaches are not the best but the water is warm. Bogota and Medellin are often cloudy, rainy, and grey, and although Medellin is warmer, I have had cold days and nights in both places. Also, although Medellin is at a lower altitude, there are altitude issues with both cities and Cartagena is at sea level.

The reason to go to Cartagena IMO is that it is a historic party town with good fun, food, and (for me) good weather. The beaches and women are secondary reasons.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2984684]Is this place even worth visiting in 2025?[/QUOTE]If you like Sosua, you will probably like it. Same crowd. Same Youtubers. Hip Hop type vibe in 2025. Nice rentals with an ocean view.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2984684]Is this place even worth visiting in 2025?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2984816]If you like Sosua, you will probably like it. Same crowd. Same Youtubers. Hip Hop type vibe in 2025. Nice rentals with an ocean view.[/QUOTE]To piggyback on the reply above its basically a bigger Sosua now including the overweight loud mouths who need multiple plastic beach chairs stacked together to support their weight. They used to be on Playa Sosua under the spot with all the green Presidente umbrellas now they are at Playa Hollywood by Kiosk #4.

Same annoying youtubers who are now live streaming and the same old played out Hip Hop playlist, honestly how many times can we listen to the same Pop Smoke song "Doir" that fades into "All I Do Is Win" then fades into "I'm All the Way Up". The songs are so predictable that it just like back in the 90 when the TV Show went on commercial break, we knew exactly which commercials were going to play next after seeing the first commercial.

I would only recommend Cartagena to those that have a good rotation of chicas there that are reliable. For newcomers or mongers who like to "try once then get a new one" its going to be tough.

I've said it many times, allot of my chicas left, they are in Europe country hopping from Spain to Paris, to Maccaro to Croatia, rinse and repeat while hauling in lots of money. They want Euros now.

A few of my ciccas also told me the new gringos who are coming into Androgeno are not spending money on girls, they are blowing the money on tables, bottles and hookah, having the girls join their table for drinking and smoking then trying to get free sex at the end of the night or pay them very little essentially wasting the chicas entire night of trying to earn money. So now some girls are behaving just like the Sosua girls where if the gringo isn't talking money up front they will just walk off and talk to the next gringo until the find one who is about the money.

I'm not effected much, I know where to avoid so I don't get mixed in when certain types of people and have enough chicas for a steady rotation while I try out new ones to add to the rotation as older chicas phase out due to getting fat, getting surgery for BBL, gringo go them pregnant, gringo flew them out the country, etc.

At Will Employment chicas.

Well to be honest I'm into black or mixed race women mainly. Being from Latin America I already know how shit goes simply put I do find it ridiculous to fly to thar country only to fuck just black women. Which is my preference but I noticed that it's cheaper to fly there from most major us cities than the DR! Most of the black women I saw in Cartagena looked Haitian ugly. I might get into having sex with indigenous women but most of them think they're the shit and etome of beauty!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2984728]If you go solely for women, Medellin and Bogota are better. Cartagena has a lot more black women and if you like them, I would probably say go to Cali as it is so much cheaper than Cartagena.

With Cartagena, you know you are getting 90 degree highs during the days and 75 degree lows during the night. Most days will be filled with sun and really the only climate variations are wind and rain. The beaches are not the best but the water is warm. Bogota and Medellin are often cloudy, rainy, and grey, and although Medellin is warmer, I have had cold days and nights in both places. Also, although Medellin is at a lower altitude, there are altitude issues with both cities and Cartagena is at sea level.

The reason to go to Cartagena IMO is that it is a historic party town with good fun, food, and (for me) good weather. The beaches and women are secondary reasons.[/QUOTE]

Thanks to all who responded I've traveled to that city before and yes it's high but unfortunately I couldn't partake in any activities. How much is the going rate? I can imagine negro / mulatoo= $50. And Meztico=$70. But I could be wrong they might actually want more or less than what I posted. For some reason White / Meztico women are what's in now and days black, Arab, Persian, North African, Indian and European guys are crazy about those women and they know it!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2984900]To piggyback on the reply above its basically a bigger Sosua now including the overweight loud mouths who need multiple plastic beach chairs stacked together to support their weight. They used to be on Playa Sosua under the spot with all the green Presidente umbrellas now they are at Playa Hollywood by Kiosk #4.

Same annoying youtubers who are now live streaming and the same old played out Hip Hop playlist, honestly how many times can we listen to the same Pop Smoke song "Doir" that fades into "All I Do Is Win" then fades into "I'm All the Way Up". The songs are so predictable that it just like back in the 90 when the TV Show went on commercial break, we knew exactly which commercials were going to play next after seeing the first commercial.

I would only recommend Cartagena to those that have a good rotation of chicas there that are reliable. For newcomers or mongers who like to "try once then get a new one" its going to be tough.

I've said it many times, allot of my chicas left, they are in Europe country hopping from Spain to Paris, to Maccaro to Croatia, rinse and repeat while hauling in lots of money. They want Euros now.

A few of my ciccas also told me the new gringos who are coming into Androgeno are not spending money on girls, they are blowing the money on tables, bottles and hookah, having the girls join their table for drinking and smoking then trying to get free sex at the end of the night or pay them very little essentially wasting the chicas entire night of trying to earn money. So now some girls are behaving just like the Sosua girls where if the gringo isn't talking money up front they will just walk off and talk to the next gringo until the find one who is about the money.

I'm not effected much, I know where to avoid so I don't get mixed in when certain types of people and have enough chicas for a steady rotation while I try out new ones to add to the rotation as older chicas phase out due to getting fat, getting surgery for BBL, gringo go them pregnant, gringo flew them out the country, etc.

At Will Employment chicas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2984900]To piggyback on the reply above its basically a bigger Sosua now including the overweight loud mouths who need multiple plastic beach chairs stacked together to support their weight. They used to be on Playa Sosua under the spot with all the green Presidente umbrellas now they are at Playa Hollywood by Kiosk #4.

Same annoying youtubers who are now live streaming and the same old played out Hip Hop playlist, honestly how many times can we listen to the same Pop Smoke song "Doir" that fades into "All I Do Is Win" then fades into "I'm All the Way Up". The songs are so predictable that it just like back in the 90 when the TV Show went on commercial break, we knew exactly which commercials were going to play next after seeing the first commercial.

[/QUOTE]Both are still great options for Pookies and rayrays. Also have Flip / Danger for newbies. Sosua probably a little easier for newbies. Also, Sosua probably safer. She might call the cops, but at least you won't get drugged and robbed.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2984968]Thanks to all who responded I've traveled to that city before and yes it's high but unfortunately I couldn't partake in any activities. How much is the going rate? I can imagine negro / mulatoo= $50. And Meztico=$70. But I could be wrong they might actually want more or less than what I posted. For some reason White / Meztico women are what's in now and days black, Arab, Persian, North African, Indian and European guys are crazy about those women and they know it![/QUOTE]There is no standard going rate for Cartagena as it all depends on the time of day and location when the gringo encounter the chica.

Meeting a chica in the daytime will not be the same as the night time.

Meeting the chica at Playa Hollywood will not be the same as meeting her in the club or Clock Tower or dating app.

Then comes if they are surgery up. Any chick with a BBL and fake tits will up charge like crazy because we already know who the gringos are that chase after fake tits and who the gringos are that chase after big asses. The chicas change their bodies to attract the type of clients they want.

It also depends on what the gringo is asking the chica to do. They will up charge on BBFS. Also the ugly fat ones will charge less but nobody out there proudly saying they are sport fucking bottom of the barrel but quick to say the low price they got. Jajaja.

My pricing is non standard because I do other things for my regular chicas that offset my ongoing pricing by allot and eventually I will get hit with the "big ask".

Going rate from new chicas is now 300 mil daytime and 600 mil nighttime. Or it can be 400 mil daytime 1 polvo or 800 mil night for 2 polvos. I don't talk on dollars but it comes around to $100 or $200.

I always suggest try them out in the day time at the cheaper rate before committing to an all nighter.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2985105]Both are still great options for Pookies and rayrays. Also have Flip / Danger for newbies. Sosua probably a little easier for newbies. Also, Sosua probably safer. She might call the cops, but at least you won't get drugged and robbed.[/QUOTE]The drawback for Flip / Danger is that they don't promote the local lifestyle and culture, they promote the degenerate lifestyle and culture. So I can't imagine a newbie flying 5 hours just to feel like they are in a club in Miami or Atlanta to be around the same type of people listening to the same type of music they will hear back home. Maybe it just me getting old since I'll be 40 in a few years but I just don't understand spending all that time in the air and money for accommodations to do something when it's currently across the street.

Oh, the drugging and robbing is also happening in DR, they just keeping it hush because they don't want to be embarrassed so they "charge it to the game" while puffing out their chest. But just watch, in a few years they will tell their story of how they got got. Jajaja.

That's literally in line with the Gringo Prices for North, Central and South America period! I'll pass on mongering there.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2985302]There is no standard going rate for Cartagena as it all depends on the time of day and location when the gringo encounter the chica.

Meeting a chica in the daytime will not be the same as the night time.

Meeting the chica at Playa Hollywood will not be the same as meeting her in the club or Clock Tower or dating app.

Then comes if they are surgery up. Any chick with a BBL and fake tits will up charge like crazy because we already know who the gringos are that chase after fake tits and who the gringos are that chase after big asses. The chicas change their bodies to attract the type of clients they want.

It also depends on what the gringo is asking the chica to do. They will up charge on BBFS. Also the ugly fat ones will charge less but nobody out there proudly saying they are sport fucking bottom of the barrel but quick to say the low price they got. Jajaja.

My pricing is non standard because I do other things for my regular chicas that offset my ongoing pricing by allot and eventually I will get hit with the "big ask".

Going rate from new chicas is now 300 mil daytime and 600 mil nighttime. Or it can be 400 mil daytime 1 polvo or 800 mil night for 2 polvos. I don't talk on dollars but it comes around to $100 or $200.

I always suggest try them out in the day time at the cheaper rate before committing to an all nighter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2985415]That's literally in line with the Gringo Prices for North, Central and South America period! I'll pass on mongering there.[/QUOTE]LOL. Definitely insane when you compare it to Colombian cities with no concentration of foreigners. They need some "I speak Spanish and I am smarter than that" pricing.

Reminds me of when I wanted to buy some kids toys from a guy off the street in Thailand. On the sign he had 3 for $10. After I cussed his ass out he started laughing and turned the sign around where it said 3 for $3. They will definitely get you if you let them.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2985353]The drawback for Flip / Danger is that they don't promote the local lifestyle and culture, they promote the degenerate lifestyle and culture. So I can't imagine a newbie flying 5 hours just to feel like they are in a club in Miami or Atlanta to be around the same type of people listening to the same type of music they will hear back home. Maybe it just me getting old since I'll be 40 in a few years but I just don't understand spending all that time in the air and money for accommodations to do something when it's currently across the street.
[/QUOTE]Dude, you're in your 30's. You're not getting old LOL. You're in the prime of your life.

As far as Flip / Danger, you'd be surprised at how many dudes want Sosua / CTG to be just like home with the added benefit of mongering. They want the same hip hop, IHOP, pants drop environment that they have back home and don 't care about the local culture, language, food or anything different. Just want to hang with their crew, post up in the club and bop around town flashing jewelry, iPhones and anything to remind the locals that they are superior financially.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2985415]That's literally in line with the Gringo Prices for North, Central and South America period! I'll pass on mongering there.[/QUOTE]I would not suggest going to Cartagena for mongering, go there for everything else and place mongering as a bonus. Go for the beaches on the islands, the food in Getsemani, the historical culture, the street art, some great sunsets sitting on the wall, if you're into Latin dancing Cafe Havana is right up your way, if seafood is your thing they have some of the freshest sea food on your plate. There is so much other things to do there than mongering.

You can certainly go and get girls at a lower price, but will you like them is the key. Check them out on the websites first to get a preview or the dating apps.

Try it once to get it out of the way before things become worse.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2985437]LOL. Definitely insane when you compare it to Colombian cities with no concentration of foreigners. They need some "I speak Spanish and I am smarter than that" pricing.

Reminds me of when I wanted to buy some kids toys from a guy off the street in Thailand. On the sign he had 3 for $10. After I cussed his ass out he started laughing and turned the sign around where it said 3 for $3. They will definitely get you if you let them.[/QUOTE]Where are they at for that price?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2985614]Where are they at for that price?[/QUOTE]Bogota, Medellin, Cali, any city. The casas and mileroticos and photoprepagos. As one person just reminded me in the Bogota thread, I posted about going to a place paying 50,000 entrance and being able to fuck every chick in the place (I think there were 4) for 20 minutes each. So that would be 12,500 per chick. Damn that was wild.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2985613]I would not suggest going to Cartagena for mongering, go there for everything else and place mongering as a bonus. [/QUOTE]When I went in January, I had one of my girls from Barranquilla meet me there. Less than 3 hours away and she had never been to Cartagena. The shit we take for granted. So from now on if I want to go to Cartagena then I will just have a chick from Barranquilla take the van for 35,000 to meet me there or either meet a chick online who is not a hooker.

Thank you and to everyone else that has contributed I've did most of the stuff you mentioned already except got laid there. The food is good in that country I might probably just stick to vacationing there with my wife and friends instead mongering there.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2985613]I would not suggest going to Cartagena for mongering, go there for everything else and place mongering as a bonus. Go for the beaches on the islands, the food in Getsemani, the historical culture, the street art, some great sunsets sitting on the wall, if you're into Latin dancing Cafe Havana is right up your way, if seafood is your thing they have some of the freshest sea food on your plate. There is so much other things to do there than mongering.

You can certainly go and get girls at a lower price, but will you like them is the key. Check them out on the websites first to get a preview or the dating apps.

Try it once to get it out of the way before things become worse.[/QUOTE]

That's funny.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2985437]LOL. Definitely insane when you compare it to Colombian cities with no concentration of foreigners. They need some "I speak Spanish and I am smarter than that" pricing.

Reminds me of when I wanted to buy some kids toys from a guy off the street in Thailand. On the sign he had 3 for $10. After I cussed his ass out he started laughing and turned the sign around where it said 3 for $3. They will definitely get you if you let them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2985740]When I went in January, I had one of my girls from Barranquilla meet me there. Less than 3 hours away and she had never been to Cartagena. The shit we take for granted. So from now on if I want to go to Cartagena then I will just have a chick from Barranquilla take the van for 35,000 to meet me there or either meet a chick online who is not a hooker.[/QUOTE]Santa Marta is another hidden gem as well, you'd find more "local" prices.

There are other cities that caters more towards locals, but Spanish is a is a plus for those less touristy places.

I noticed that the rates vary a lot depending on the place, time, and modality on where you meet the girls in Cartagena.

I had better luck at Santa Cattaleya, I am not a fan of Omnia although went there twice as well. The places above I also went to Androgeno aka Delirium, I am not a big fan of but I was hanging out with some guys that wanted to check out a hip-hop club.

I learned that the best deals you'd get on slow days and really late near closing time or past midnight. Buying drinks 1-2 drinks for a girl may help to get you a better deal if you speak Spanish.

I thought prices for just beers were exorbitant as they were charging anywhere between COP 20-25 k for a can of beer.

I had a couple of drinks with a 8 Blonde and her friend just to talk while my buddy was in the hunt talking to another girl at a table, I asked her about pricing and stuff related the business. She mentioned that the best deals you'd get really late on slow days (low season and Mondays-Wednesdays), and specially near end of the month as they need to pay rent and bills, most of these girls are from other cities and they need to pay for a room to stay in Cartagena.

I've been coming to Cartagena for the last 6 years. I've got to say it's now turned into the worst experience one could imagine. Absolutely the worst Beach I've ever encountered everything you would not want and getting worse and worse. It's overrun with low-level hustlers. The scene at Hollywood Beach has become so gross, It's hard to come back for words for. The Sosua crowd has attracted the most unfortunate and undesirable to the beach. They will be all over you for money every second. He will not have a minute literally without someone trying to get money from you either nicely or not so nicely. Before warrant.

It's too late. In the last year the scene has gone so far. Downhill that I wouldn't suggest this to anybody not for the beach or not for the clock tower, not for any of it It's a shame.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2985613]I would not suggest going to Cartagena for mongering, go there for everything else and place mongering as a bonus. Go for the beaches on the islands, the food in Getsemani, the historical culture, the street art, some great sunsets sitting on the wall, if you're into Latin dancing Cafe Havana is right up your way, if seafood is your thing they have some of the freshest sea food on your plate. There is so much other things to do there than mongering.

You can certainly go and get girls at a lower price, but will you like them is the key. Check them out on the websites first to get a preview or the dating apps.

Try it once to get it out of the way before things become worse.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2985613]I would not suggest going to Cartagena for mongering, go there for everything else and place mongering as a bonus. Go for the beaches on the islands, the food in Getsemani, the historical culture, the street art, some great sunsets sitting on the wall, if you're into Latin dancing Cafe Havana is right up your way, if seafood is your thing they have some of the freshest sea food on your plate. There is so much other things to do there than mongering.

You can certainly go and get girls at a lower price, but will you like them is the key. Check them out on the websites first to get a preview or the dating apps.

Try it once to get it out of the way before things become worse.[/QUOTE]I have since moved on from going to Cartagena. It used to be fun. If I want to hit beaches and a good local beach vibe I head to Santa Marta or San Andres. Baru is alright but too close to Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2988330]I've been coming to Cartagena for the last 6 years. I've got to say it's now turned into the worst experience one could imagine. Absolutely the worst Beach I've ever encountered everything you would not want and getting worse and worse. It's overrun with low-level hustlers. The scene at Hollywood Beach has become so gross, It's hard to come back for words for. The Sosua crowd has attracted the most unfortunate and undesirable to the beach. They will be all over you for money every second. He will not have a minute literally without someone trying to get money from you either nicely or not so nicely. Before warrant.[/QUOTE]Yeah, same shit, different toilet. Sosua / Cartagena. Both were great 20 years ago.

Just a quick update on my visit here. I've (had two visits since I got here for both quoting $100 both s with hygienic issues in the form of odors From now on. I'm going to tell him up front if they're not hygienically going home.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2988819]Just a quick update on my visit here. I've (had two visits since I got here for both quoting $100 both s with hygienic issues in the form of odors From now on. I'm going to tell him up front if they're not hygienically going home.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Centro was the least crowded I have ever seen it. I am not sure if it is the time of year, but things are really slow.

Looking to plan my first trip to Cartagena (or Santa Marta) this summer. I have been in Latin America before, but I am finding a hard time finding AirBNBs that are ok with 'visitors'.

When I was in other parts of Columbia, as well as in Mexico and other places, this was never an issue. But seems to be an issue, especially in Cartagena.

Does anyone know if Murano Central is OK with guests? It looks pretty nice, is a bit north of the walled city but not too far (I like to not be right in the middle of the action as I like to relax and have my space).

Curious if anyone can provide some info and possibly some advice.

Thanks.

OZ hotels, down by the beach, are guest friendly and no chica charge, per friends of mine who stayed there in January.

I stayed at Soy Local Centro Historico (right in the middle of all the action) and it was decent enough (smelled like Fabuloso cleaner, which can be overpowering), and they also were zero chica fees.

As for Airbnbs, there are some, I just don't have any links or personal knowledge of them.

Best of luck. I personally enjoyed CTG for a long weekend. Not sure I could handle more than 3 nights there without getting burned out, but 2-3 nights is near perfect.

[QUOTE=SnowNFlow;2990482]Looking to plan my first trip to Cartagena (or Santa Marta) this summer. I have been in Latin America before, but I am finding a hard time finding AirBNBs that are ok with 'visitors'.

When I was in other parts of Columbia, as well as in Mexico and other places, this was never an issue. But seems to be an issue, especially in Cartagena.

Does anyone know if Murano Central is OK with guests? It looks pretty nice, is a bit north of the walled city but not too far (I like to not be right in the middle of the action as I like to relax and have my space)..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SnowNFlow;2990482]Looking to plan my first trip to Cartagena (or Santa Marta) this summer. I have been in Latin America before, but I am finding a hard time finding AirBNBs that are ok with 'visitors'.

When I was in other parts of Columbia, as well as in Mexico and other places, this was never an issue. But seems to be an issue, especially in Cartagena.

Does anyone know if Murano Central is OK with guests? It looks pretty nice, is a bit north of the walled city but not too far (I like to not be right in the middle of the action as I like to relax and have my space).

Curious if anyone can provide some info and possibly some advice.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hotel Caribbean is friendly, need to pay 90 k pesos per guest, it is located in Boca Grande.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;2990871]Hotel Caribbean is friendly, need to pay 90 k pesos per guest, it is located in Boca Grande.[/QUOTE]Edificio Conquistador in El Laguito is guest friendly. No charge.

Normally when most countries scam you it tends to be by no hire than a $20 overcharge. My last visit there a tourist got charge $400 for a 3 girl massage with the other 2 joining in without his permission. A guy tired to sell me $45 for some basic sandals which I didn't buy.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2988330]I've been coming to Cartagena for the last 6 years. I've got to say it's now turned into the worst experience one could imagine. Absolutely the worst Beach I've ever encountered everything you would not want and getting worse and worse. It's overrun with low-level hustlers. The scene at Hollywood Beach has become so gross, It's hard to come back for words for. The Sosua crowd has attracted the most unfortunate and undesirable to the beach. They will be all over you for money every second. He will not have a minute literally without someone trying to get money from you either nicely or not so nicely. Before warrant.[/QUOTE]

I just got back and the amount of people I see in Centro and Getsemani who are not usually there is insane. I was going to post one big post of events that took place but how many times can people keep reading the same shit over and over. So once I go through my conversations with the chicas I will post up a few things.

I remember walking by Casa Pelenque and this girl came up to me talking English talking about they are having an event with ballons. I think it was Red if you're taken, Yellow if your open, and green if you're available and down for anything. Went in saw allot of wide backs and left. I think I saw these chicks in there too.

Watch this "story" how they almost got yanked while leaving Casa Pelenque in Getsemani.

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@yyanaj/video/7481381537284492590[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@yyanaj/video/7481394163980733738[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@yyanaj/video/7481415079708314926[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@yyanaj/video/7481431517495971115[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@yyanaj/video/7481645743086849323[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@yyanaj/video/7482081901977619754[/URL]

I'm just trying to figure out how the hell there were 3 girls all with phones so preoccupied on social media and none of them started recording anything when this shit went down or even get a picture of the taxi plate that big as fuck on the side of the door. Almost like they clout chasing.

A while back he almost got me with some fake money. I was about to change out some money and this guy told me he can give me 4200 when everywhere else was 3900. He started counting out the money but it looked funny, so I told him nah and walked off. 2 seconds later the cops rolled up, stopped him, and frisked him. I went to the exchange place and asked how come the guy on the street giving a better rate and she asked if it was "a black guy with a bookbag by Exito" and I said "yea". They said he gives fake money.

So I finally managed to get a picture of him while on this trip so those who leave their common sense in customs can know what to avoid.

The guy is basically Thug Maxing to attract a specific type of gringo.

I am in Cartagena, have read a lot about the present situation. I have one question: in clubs like Tentaciones, Chicas Lindas, Travesuras, Paraiso del Marino, etc. , can you use credit cards for all costs to the club? Of course not what you pay the girls. Or do the club skim the card?

[QUOTE=Explorer69;2992592]I am in Cartagena, have read a lot about the present situation. I have one question: in clubs like Tentaciones, Chicas Lindas, Travesuras, Paraiso del Marino, etc. , can you use credit cards for all costs to the club? Of course not what you pay the girls. Or do the club skim the card?[/QUOTE]They not only can skim your card, but you will see charges you didn't make. I always paid cash in clubs. I only use card in restaurants when the bill was more than $20. It is safe for the most part. Make sure you don't leave your card or open a tab, just pay and use tap to pay or use apple pay or google pay.

[QUOTE=Explorer69;2992592]I am in Cartagena, have read a lot about the present situation. I have one question: in clubs like Tentaciones, Chicas Lindas, Travesuras, Paraiso del Marino, etc. , can you use credit cards for all costs to the club? Of course not what you pay the girls. Or do the club skim the card?[/QUOTE]Looks like I missed you as I just returned last week.

Getting your card information stolen is a chance you take by using your physical card when you venture out to those areas. I recently had a similar discussion with my friend who popped in for a quick visit and was walking around with a wallet about 3" thick filled with cards.

I would suggest to load all your cards digitally into your smart phone such as Apple Pay or Google wallet as just about every location I went to accepted tap to pay except the beach. Use tap to pay as your main method and if it doesn't work then use the physical card.

Just remember if they steal or skim your card, that card is done until it's physically replaced. If they steal your phone you can immediately get a new digital card.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;2992651]They not only can skim your card, but you will see charges you didn't make. I always paid cash in clubs. I only use card in restaurants when the bill was more than $20. It is safe for the most part. Make sure you don't leave your card or open a tab, just pay and use tap to pay or use apple pay or google pay.[/QUOTE]Thank you, that's what I expected! So no cards!

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;2992651]They not only can skim your card, but you will see charges you didn't make. I always paid cash in clubs. I only use card in restaurants when the bill was more than $20. It is safe for the most part. Make sure you don't leave your card or open a tab, just pay and use tap to pay or use apple pay or google pay.[/QUOTE]Same happens in the USA. If you allow one person to use your credit card, the waitress will charge other people's tabs to your card or your "friend" will add the bills for her friends and family while you are gone or not looking.

If you dispute the charge, your bank will cancel your card because you do not keep good control over your cards and they don't want the problems and hassle you create.

What are the clock tower prices like now in Cartagena nighttime? Haven't been for 3 years and have got 2 nights there before I head to Bogota for a work trip, thanks.

Hey all.

I haven't see any recent updates to CTG so I'll add my two cents. Despite lots of negative attention, there is still fun to be had here. I still take Cartagena over Medellin and Bogota because of the sunshine and beaches. I can't / don't want to monger all day every day, so it's cool to have the beach vacation dynamic here plus the walled city and the history to enjoy while recharging.

I'm here right now. I have gone hunting in the walled city the last couple nights and been successful in getting numbers from the talent, but the police have made it harder than it used to be before the new mayor. There are groups of police stationed at all the streetcorners in the 3 block loop around where Dolce Vita and Delirium used to be. If too many WGs congregate anywhere at once the police blow their annoyingly loud whistles until everyone disperses. From what I can see, as long as everyone keeps moving the cops don't seem to care. It's obvious it's still happening, just more difficult. You have to get the number and move on, no loitering. Frankly I don't understand, because closing Dolce Vita and the others just forces what used to happen inside and out of sight onto the streets. So now you have a mix of WGs, mongers, and tourists all co-existing until around 11/12. There is a new club called Santa Cattaleya that is trying to be the new Dolce Vita but it's a few blocks away from that main loop so people might not know about it yet.

There are many guest-friendly AirBNBs available in CTG. I have always stayed there. They are nice and have very cooperative doormen who don't care about bringing in chicas, but who also look out for your security. There are also hotels who let in chicas free of charge (Oz hotels for example), but I hate going down to the reception to sign in the girls while families with kids watch it all go down. Obviously not an issue for late night fun but I like to have daytime action too.

Chica prices seem to be anywhere from 300 M-600 M COP per HR at night. Same prices for longer afternoon dates, around 4 hours of sex, drinking, and maybe going to the beach. (I mean 300-600 for the entire 4 hours).

Anyways, hope this helps and happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Prezrol3080;2993118]Hey all.

I haven't see any recent updates to CTG so I'll add my two cents. Despite lots of negative attention, there is still fun to be had here. I still take Cartagena over Medellin and Bogota because of the sunshine and beaches. I can't / don't want to monger all day every day, so it's cool to have the beach vacation dynamic here plus the walled city and the history to enjoy while recharging.

Anyways, hope this helps and happy hunting![/QUOTE]Thanks for the 2025 update, I'm heading down to Cartagena for the first time at the beginning of May, and even though I've done extensive research and watched dozens of Youtube videos including nighttime walking videos (the girls are everywhere still) I'm glad to know accurately from boots on the ground. I'm staying at the Oz Hotel myself with a friend. It's good to know the prices are between 300-600 k range, even though anything 500-600 k is too Gringo priced for my blood. I'm a stubborn monger so keeping the girls cheap is a priority -- baddie or no baddie. It's Colombia, not Vegas.

Anyway, I agree with not mongering every day all day. That's why I chose a hotel by the beach, enjoying the weather and relaxation after a wild night. Some days you just need to let the boys rest and recharge. I'll definitely have to check out the club you mentioned. If anyone is going to be down there 1st of May and wants to link up for drinks, strip club hopping, other bullshit, let me know. Going to be staying 9 nights.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2993034]What are the clock tower prices like now in Cartagena nighttime? Haven't been for 3 years and have got 2 nights there before I head to Bogota for a work trip, thanks.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Prezrol3080;2993118]Hey all.

I haven't see any recent updates to CTG so I'll add my two cents. Despite lots of negative attention, there is still fun to be had here. I still take Cartagena over Medellin and Bogota because of the sunshine and beaches. I can't / don't want to monger all day every day, so it's cool to have the beach vacation dynamic here plus the walled city and the history to enjoy while recharging.

I'm here right now. I have gone hunting in the walled city the last couple nights and been successful in getting numbers from the talent, but the police have made it harder than it used to be before the new mayor. There are groups of police stationed at all the streetcorners in the 3 block loop around where Dolce Vita and Delirium used to be. If too many WGs congregate anywhere at once the police blow their annoyingly loud whistles until everyone disperses. From what I can see, as long as everyone keeps moving the cops don't seem to care. It's obvious it's still happening, just more difficult. You have to get the number and move on, no loitering. Frankly I don't understand, because closing Dolce Vita and the others just forces what used to happen inside and out of sight onto the streets. So now you have a mix of WGs, mongers, and tourists all co-existing until around 11/12. [/QUOTE]Hate to use the proverbial "good old days" as it pertains to picking up chicas in Cartagena but it's so true. I recall what fun we had 10 years ago but things changed during the Covid then post covid the crackdowns in the walled city just have taken the fun factor away, so for the past 3 or 4 years I don't P4P in Cartagena rather save it for other places.

BTW I live in Medellin 10 years but visit Cartagena a few times each year, have already been 3 times to Cartagena this year (last visit 2 weeks ago) but not to play rather sail and explore and enjoy the cafes and food and great street vibe / energy but not the clubs or tower chicas anymore, just too much of a hassle.

TTM.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2993034]What are the clock tower prices like now in Cartagena nighttime? Haven't been for 3 years and have got 2 nights there before I head to Bogota for a work trip, thanks.[/QUOTE]Yo the clocktower girls are trash. I just did a weekend there and its the same exact girls every night wearing the same exact thing. I saw a few girls wearing the same 1 piece romper they had on the night before spinning the block.

Prices are from 300 mil to 700 mil. 300 mil being these old ass 40 year old women who should not be out there on the stroll and 700 mil be the ones trying to bullshit with excuse of black guys are bigger so I charge them more, complete bullshit. Even the girl with the eyepatch wanted 400 mil which is crazy cause she only got 1 eye.

Had the similar experience on Tinder too.

First one Nathaly matched on Tinder and would not budge lower than $150 for the hour and all she wanted to do was talk in dollars. Whenever I tried to go lower she would just say that's her price and she's not going lower. Later saw hen in Delirium and happy I decided not to because she looks like an overweight mother of 2 where the clothes is holding all the fat together and her tits are fake.

Second one Maria matched on tinder wanted $100 for the hour. She was funny but when she showed up she was twice the size of her pictures and her tits were hanging down to her belly button. She had up old pictures when she was fresh off the lipo BBL table but kept eating so all the weight in her face, arms and thighs looking like a cartoon character.

Third one Danna matched on Tinder lived all the way in some small ass town close to Barranquilla and wanted me to pay her passage down to Cartagena to see me and wanted $100 on top of that. Fuck that!

[QUOTE=Prezrol3080;2993118] Chica prices seem to be anywhere from 300 M-600 M COP per HR at night. [/QUOTE]That's not a good look for Cartagena, especially at 600 K per hour. Also seems like a hassle with the condition of hunting within Centro. It has definitely declined and chicas are moving on to Greener Pastures.

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2993253]Yo the clocktower girls are trash. I just did a weekend there and its the same exact girls every night wearing the same exact thing. I saw a few girls wearing the same 1 piece romper they had on the night before spinning the block.
[/QUOTE]Did you see the girl in the one-piece light gray dress? I left a cum stain on her dress and I say her there the next day, the stain was still there the next day. She never washed her dress!

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2993253]Yo the clocktower girls are trash. I just did a weekend there and its the same exact girls every night wearing the same exact thing. I saw a few girls wearing the same 1 piece romper they had on the night before spinning the block.

Prices are from 300 mil to 700 mil. 300 mil being these old ass 40 year old women who should not be out there on the stroll and 700 mil be the ones trying to bullshit with excuse of black guys are bigger so I charge them more, complete bullshit. Even the girl with the eyepatch wanted 400 mil which is crazy cause she only got 1 eye.

Had the similar experience on Tinder too.

First one Nathaly matched on Tinder and would not budge lower than $150 for the hour and all she wanted to do was talk in dollars. Whenever I tried to go lower she would just say that's her price and she's not going lower. Later saw hen in Delirium and happy I decided not to because she looks like an overweight mother of 2 where the clothes is holding all the fat together and her tits are fake.

Second one Maria matched on tinder wanted $100 for the hour. She was funny but when she showed up she was twice the size of her pictures and her tits were hanging down to her belly button. She had up old pictures when she was fresh off the lipo BBL table but kept eating so all the weight in her face, arms and thighs looking like a cartoon character.

Third one Danna matched on Tinder lived all the way in some small ass town close to Barranquilla and wanted me to pay her passage down to Cartagena to see me and wanted $100 on top of that.
Fuck that![/QUOTE]Except for that Dana chick the rest of them could not pay me enough. Its amazing someone will screw them but I guess some men are dogs. But I'm not even sure my dog would fuck that.

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2993253]Yo the clocktower girls are trash. I just did a weekend there and its the same exact girls every night wearing the same exact thing. I saw a few girls wearing the same 1 piece romper they had on the night before spinning the block.

Prices are from 300 mil to 700 mil. 300 mil being these old ass 40 year old women who should not be out there on the stroll and 700 mil be the ones trying to bullshit with excuse of black guys are bigger so I charge them more, complete bullshit. Even the girl with the eyepatch wanted 400 mil which is crazy cause she only got 1 eye.

Had the similar experience on Tinder too.

First one Nathaly matched on Tinder and would not budge lower than $150 for the hour and all she wanted to do was talk in dollars. Whenever I tried to go lower she would just say that's her price and she's not going lower. Later saw hen in Delirium and happy I decided not to because she looks like an overweight mother of 2 where the clothes is holding all the fat together and her tits are fake.

Second one Maria matched on tinder wanted $100 for the hour. She was funny but when she showed up she was twice the size of her pictures and her tits were hanging down to her belly button. She had up old pictures when she was fresh off the lipo BBL table but kept eating so all the weight in her face, arms and thighs looking like a cartoon character.

Third one Danna matched on Tinder lived all the way in some small ass town close to Barranquilla and wanted me to pay her passage down to Cartagena to see me and wanted $100 on top of that. Fuck that![/QUOTE]Thanks for coming back man, I was there 2023 and the clocktower ' elite ' Kim Kardashian types wanted 300,000 or 400,000. Even back then I got way better deals on Milerticos like 160,000 for one hour and a good service too. I guess I'll just see how the Friday night goes when I arrive and see what they are charging, worst case I will just go to delirium and have a few drinks then enjoy the street vibes and weather the next day. I hate that shit trying to charge you more because you're ' bigger' I had this in Pattaya Thailand, I'm in my late 20's and muscular and some girls tried to charge me more saying ' you young you strong you boom boom longer '.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2993270]Did you see the girl in the one-piece light gray dress? I left a cum stain on her dress and I say her there the next day, the stain was still there the next day. She never washed her dress![/QUOTE]Either she left her dress on when you did the Biz or like you said " she never washed her dress". Either way, it sounds like you mess with trash bi+ches!

I've been to this country several times before however, I never had the opportunity to participate in any activities. Dude those prices are pretty scary especially for a city where the minimum wage is $265 per month! Most Latino women who work online are always older and fat. Or skinny with a cartoon cosmetic surgery type body. I noticed that back in the states and now it's happening over here. To be honest Colombian women always been known for cosmetic surgery addictions since the early 2000's. For them to want $100+ that's scary man.

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2993253]Yo the clocktower girls are trash. I just did a weekend there and its the same exact girls every night wearing the same exact thing. I saw a few girls wearing the same 1 piece romper they had on the night before spinning the block.

Prices are from 300 mil to 700 mil. 300 mil being these old ass 40 year old women who should not be out there on the stroll and 700 mil be the ones trying to bullshit with excuse of black guys are bigger so I charge them more, complete bullshit. Even the girl with the eyepatch wanted 400 mil which is crazy cause she only got 1 eye.

Had the similar experience on Tinder too.

First one Nathaly matched on Tinder and would not budge lower than $150 for the hour and all she wanted to do was talk in dollars. Whenever I tried to go lower she would just say that's her price and she's not going lower. Later saw hen in Delirium and happy I decided not to because she looks like an overweight mother of 2 where the clothes is holding all the fat together and her tits are fake.

Second one Maria matched on tinder wanted $100 for the hour. She was funny but when she showed up she was twice the size of her pictures and her tits were hanging down to her belly button. She had up old pictures when she was fresh off the lipo BBL table but kept eating so all the weight in her face, arms and thighs looking like a cartoon character.

Third one Danna matched on Tinder lived all the way in some small ass town close to Barranquilla and wanted me to pay her passage down to Cartagena to see me and wanted $100 on top of that. Fuck that![/QUOTE]

I heard stories about that and I thought it was just that. Then again a lot of those women are not big dick friendly. It's like that in America and I found that out in Mexico also the women wouldn't even let me touch them at the strip clubs! I went to India 15 years ago those women will charge you more for sex if you have a big dick and unfortunately most of them can't take it neither!

[QUOTE=DidierD;2993301]Thanks for coming back man, I was there 2023 and the clocktower ' elite ' Kim Kardashian types wanted 300,000 or 400,000. Even back then I got way better deals on Milerticos like 160,000 for one hour and a good service too. I guess I'll just see how the Friday night goes when I arrive and see what they are charging, worst case I will just go to delirium and have a few drinks then enjoy the street vibes and weather the next day. I hate that shit trying to charge you more because you're ' bigger' I had this in Pattaya Thailand, I'm in my late 20's and muscular and some girls tried to charge me more saying ' you young you strong you boom boom longer '.[/QUOTE]

This is true, max they should be getting is 400 k for an hour at most. When you compare the average wage in the country etc, problem is you get Americans who just pay 7 or 800,000 k then they all expect it all the time.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2993807]I've been to this country several times before however, I never had the opportunity to participate in any activities. Dude those prices are pretty scary especially for a city where the minimum wage is $265 per month! Most Latino women who work online are always older and fat. Or skinny with a cartoon cosmetic surgery type body. I noticed that back in the states and now it's happening over here. To be honest Colombian women always been known for cosmetic surgery addictions since the early 2000's. For them to want $100+ that's scary man.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaptainJavito;2993253]Yo the clocktower girls are trash. I just did a weekend there and its the same exact girls every night wearing the same exact thing. I saw a few girls wearing the same 1 piece romper they had on the night before spinning the block.

Prices are from 300 mil to 700 mil. 300 mil being these old ass 40 year old women who should not be out there on the stroll and 700 mil be the ones trying to bullshit with excuse of black guys are bigger so I charge them more, complete bullshit. Even the girl with the eyepatch wanted 400 mil which is crazy cause she only got 1 eye.

Had the similar experience on Tinder too.
![/QUOTE]Looks many of us were there during the same time. It's funny because I kept bumping into this one guy almost every day, first over by Dolce, then Playa Hollywood, then the clock tower, then in Santa Cattleya. When at PlayaHollywood we spoke for a bit and he said he was 67 and just came from the gym, he was partying a bit with the girls next to us and going low with the knees and damn in 30 years when I hit 67 I want my knees to be as good as his jajaja. By the way, if he's a member and reading this, I took that little gymnastics chick and it was good until she took off her clothes and her tits and stomach looked like melted cheese so I declined. I should have known better when she said she had 2 kids and was only like 23. I hope Kobe had a good time too jaja.

As for your girls, I know the first 2 from a few years back.

Maria seriously have body dysmorphia. When I met her she was cute and put together real nice. Everything was good but then she started hanging around certain types of degenerates and changed herself to attract more of that type of clients. She started wearing extremely long fake hair, 2" long fingernails, went and got liposuction and BBL, started injecting her lips and using heavy makeup. I tried talking to her about her appearance a few times because it was embarrassing walking with her in public and she got mad at me so I only invited her to the apartment then overtime eventually stopped talking to her and got another girl who was more presentable in public. Now she looks like a BBL granny and she's only 24. First photo is how she was back in 2021 when I met her and the other 2 is how she is now.

Nataly is the other one. When I met her she was slim with a pretty face. Somewhere along the line she went and got fake tits and made her way across the southern border to the US. She was eating really good because the weight came on real fast. I feel sorry for the guy who spent all that money getting her to the US because she was posting shit being in DC, LA, Houston, and after all of that she decided to return to Cartagena to keep selling pussy, just a waste of the guys time and money. Can't turn a hoe into a housewife, even if she's young once they are accustomed to the streets that's all they will know. Photo is of her in 2021.

I did see the girl with the eyepatch, looking through my pictures she was walking around in white shorts, little chunky though.

As for the big dick tax, it could also be the new face tax. When they know you are a new face they will try and charge you double because they believe you don't know the price of things. I also got overcharged my first time there but now I know better.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2993811]I heard stories about that and I thought it was just that. Then again a lot of those women are not big dick friendly. It's like that in America and I found that out in Mexico also the women wouldn't even let me touch them at the strip clubs! I went to India 15 years ago those women will charge you more for sex if you have a big dick and unfortunately most of them can't take it neither![/QUOTE]These chicas want easy work. Lots of chicas I've known over the years and just chilled with beyond the bedroom tell me all the time they don't like young guys or big dick guys who fit that stereotype. They say young guys want to fuck all night and that leaves them sore the next day and big dick guys leave them bleeding cause they tear their inside. They say the easiest work are old white guys because usually they are smaller and most of the time they finish fast or don't even want sex at all just someone to talk to because they have kits their age.

I remember when I got blacklisted (not sure it the correct term to use here) in Thailand for a whole night. I was in a bar doing the whole last drink and a girl was sitting on my lap. Well I got a little too into it and got hard, the girl felt it growing under her and hopped off and the print was clearly visible through the pants (fucking skinny jeans). Well she brought it to all the girls attention and one girl took a picture of it. Next thing I know no girl from the bar would go with me for the night and every other bar I went into for that night in LK Metro all the girls looked like they recognized me and would not go with me. I had to go to 808 to get something and the girl told me they posted the picture in their little chat group so all the girls knew what I was wearing and to avoid me.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2993254]That's not a good look for Cartagena, especially at 600 K per hour. Also seems like a hassle with the condition of hunting within Centro. It has definitely declined and chicas are moving on to Greener Pastures.[/QUOTE]Many chicas crossed the border. We have to wait for Trump to do his thing to send them all back and give it a year for them to return to reality. Many crossed the border and now in major blue cities getting $500 - $800 for overnight stay. Once they are accustomed to that type of money it's hard to return to 200 mil to 400 mil a pop. Also while I was there, there were many American women there the size of furniture and the local chicas understand that the majority of the women in America are greatly overweight and unpleasant to look at, so they capitalize on their feminine appearance to make money. It's crazy to me that I see guys getting on planes leaving the country and the first they they do is go to a club to look for the same type of woman they left back in their country like they only traveled for a change of weather.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2994416]Do they rush there? And also is the hour guaranteed or you get only 15 minutes?[/QUOTE]Too many variables.

Depends on if the chica likes the gringo.

Depends on how much was offered to the chica.

Depends if the chica has another gringo lined up for later whose paying more.

Depends if the chica just about getting the money.

I've had three outcomes:

The papi leche where as soon as I cum even if it was 15 minutes, they jump up wipe off and ready to leave.

The ones who even after I cum they stay for the full hour and just bullshit the rest of the time mostly taking pictures of the view.

And the best ones are the ones who stay more than the hour, normally I end up just ordering food we hang out and I pay for their taxi back. I've had ones who was supposed to come for the hour we do our thing I pay her and when I told her I was going to Centro to hang out she wanted to come along. Food and drinks later and we're back in the apartment and she didn't leave for the following afternoon best 400 mil I ever spent.

This is why I always say to get these chicas before they get too exposed to the lifestyle or before they are 24. The older they get or the more experienced you hey get they will want to do less and ask for more.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2994416]Do they rush there? And also is the hour guaranteed or you get only 15 minutes?[/QUOTE]I've only ever had in calls on Milleroticos and always been great. Had one girl when I was last there 18 months ago think I paid 150 k for 40 minutes and she was unbelievable. Best looking and best service I've had in Cartagena. I will be back in 5 weeks and will try out a street walker from centro. I will pick out the best looking one for me and ask how much for one hour, I won't go over 500 k no matter how good she looks, tbh I doubt in the moment I'll ever go over 400 k.

Ok I see what you're saying from your experience which Nationality in Latin America offers the best service? By the way anyone can answer this question. I've been to the DR a lot matter of fact I'm here now. Most guys will try to offer to hook you up with Colombian, Venezuelan or Peruvian women especially at the casa's man all of those girls sucks too much checking the condom, making it seems like they need to go now and too much asking for tips. Massage sessions is even worse 10 minute massage and next they try to aggressively up sell as if you're their for something else. Not trying to trash talk all Latino women but I tired to give the white ones a shot but it doesn't workout. In the DR they are crazy about South American women but they seems to not be my thing. From my point of view Puerto Ricans are the best then comes Dominicans and the worst is Cubans. Speaking of Dominican women they act too playful at times. I have a regular who's playing game she keeps video calling me or asking me to call her and when I pick up she's twerking in a thong either by herself or with some friends! And when I ask about sex they pretend as if they don't understand or suddenly got to get off the phone and this shit been going on for 3 days straight!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2994489]Too many variables.

Depends on if the chica likes the gringo.

Depends on how much was offered to the chica.

Depends if the chica has another gringo lined up for later whose paying more.

Depends if the chica just about getting the money.

I've had three outcomes:

The papi leche where as soon as I cum even if it was 15 minutes, they jump up wipe off and ready to leave.

The ones who even after I cum they stay for the full hour and just bullshit the rest of the time mostly taking pictures of the view.

And the best ones are the ones who stay more than the hour, normally I end up just ordering food we hang out and I pay for their taxi back. I've had ones who was supposed to come for the hour we do our thing I pay her and when I told her I was going to Centro to hang out she wanted to come along. Food and drinks later and we're back in the apartment and she didn't leave for the following afternoon best 400 mil I ever spent.

This is why I always say to get these chicas before they get too exposed to the lifestyle or before they are 24. The older they get or the more experienced you hey get they will want to do less and ask for more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994531]I've only ever had in calls on Milleroticos and always been great. Had one girl when I was last there 18 months ago think I paid 150 k for 40 minutes and she was unbelievable. Best looking and best service I've had in Cartagena. I will be back in 5 weeks and will try out a street walker from centro. I will pick out the best looking one for me and ask how much for one hour, I won't go over 500 k no matter how good she looks, tbh I doubt in the moment I'll ever go over 400 k.[/QUOTE]LOL. Aren't street walkers generally considered to be cheap ass hoes with poor service? Yet you are willing to pay one 3 times as much as a hooker you got online and got excellent service from. Not only that, but you are willing to pay one half as much as most people make in 1 month. That is like me fucking a chick at a strip club for $40 then talking about going to find a chick on the street and paying her no more than $150.

I get how it works though. Mileroticos is for locals with local prices. The street walkers you are talking about are dealing with tourists at tourist prices. Seems that once someone has tapped into the local market, then they would avoid tourist traps.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994531]I will pick out the best looking one for me and ask how much for one hour, I won't go over 500 k no matter how good she looks, tbh I doubt in the moment I'll ever go over 400 k.[/QUOTE]Yes, everyone wants the best looking one. And if you ask how much they want, then they get the upper hand. Better for you to evaluate them and tell them what you will pay. I see you won't go over 500 k. Then doubt you'll ever go over 400 K. Better to have a firm figure and stick to it. Otherwise they will double the asking price to see if you are a dumb gringo. They have 2 prices, one for local men and one called their Gringo Price, which is for inexperienced suckers, where they try to get triple what they normally charge.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2994651]LOL. Aren't street walkers generally considered to be cheap ass hoes with poor service? Yet you are willing to pay one 3 times as much as a hooker you got online and got excellent service from. Not only that, but you are willing to pay one half as much as most people make in 1 month. That is like me fucking a chick at a strip club for $40 then talking about going to find a chick on the street and paying her no more than $150.

I get how it works though. Mileroticos is for locals with local prices. The street walkers you are talking about are dealing with tourists at tourist prices. Seems that once someone has tapped into the local market, then they would avoid tourist traps.[/QUOTE]Not always, it doesn't work like that. Can get a shit service from the street or an excellent service like I've had in Brazil. The problem is in Cartagena online can be very hit and miss. Besides if it ends up being a shit service big deal, it's only 500 k.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994531] I will be back in 5 weeks and will try out a street walker from centro. I will pick out the best looking one for me and ask how much for one hour, I won't go over 500 k no matter how good she looks.[/QUOTE]Wow! This is what's happening to the market in Cartagena and people are willing to do this to the market.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2994738]Wow! This is what's happening to the market in Cartagena and people are willing to do this to the market.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about? 500 k is the lowest price now in centro (so I'm told) I'm not evening paying market rate which I'm hearing at night time can hit 700 k short time.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994712]Not always, it doesn't work like that. Can get a shit service from the street or an excellent service like I've had in Brazil. The problem is in Cartagena online can be very hit and miss. Besides if it ends up being a shit service big deal, it's only 500 k.[/QUOTE]In what city do streetwalkers cost three times more than hookers obtained any other way? No city that I have ever been to except Cartagena or gringo gulch in Medellin. Streetwalkers are generally considered the lowest rung on the prostitute totem pole, thereby garnering the cheapest fee. But as I said, this is inverted when the streetwalkers are there for tourist customers with no local customers in site.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2994738]Wow! This is what's happening to the market in Cartagena and people are willing to do this to the market.[/QUOTE]LOL. 500 K for 1 hour for a Cartagena SW versus 100 K max for one in Bogota or Medellin. And he said, it is only 500 K. These gringos are something else. 500 K gets me 4 days in the deluxe king suite at the pretty much new hotel that I stay in in Bogota with free breakfast.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2994794]LOL. 500 K for 1 hour for a Cartagena SW versus 100 K max for one in Bogota or Medellin. And he said, it is only 500 K. These gringos are something else. 500 K gets me 4 days in the deluxe king suite at the pretty much new hotel that I stay in in Bogota with free breakfast.[/QUOTE]I would definitely take 4 days in the Deluxe King Suite for 500 K over any Street Walker for 500 K for an hour. He doesn't even care if he receives shitty service for that. Talk about Low Standards.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2994794]LOL. 500 K for 1 hour for a Cartagena SW versus 100 K max for one in Bogota or Medellin. And he said, it is only 500 K. These gringos are something else. 500 K gets me 4 days in the deluxe king suite at the pretty much new hotel that I stay in in Bogota with free breakfast.[/QUOTE]Mr E it's not my fault you're broke and worrying about what others are doing with money. You always get people like you on forums behind a screen, get your money up and stop being a wasteman spending your life on here stalking the forum.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994754]What are you talking about? 500 k is the lowest price now in centro (so I'm told) I'm not evening paying market rate which I'm hearing at night time can hit 700 k short time.[/QUOTE]500 K is not the lowest price in Centro. Maybe if they are going for the fake ass, fake tits, lipo stomach and injected lips type of girl that's been ran through by half the world then yea but for the average looking chica under 25, no surgery, no kids, 300 K is more than enough for 1 hour without additional for taxi.

Anyone who told you that 500 K is the minimum, ask them to show you a picture of who they paid 500 K to, and then ask what services they paid for. Then ask yourself if you would pay 500 K for that girl and those services. Or better yet ask them for the girls Instagram and you be the judge if that chica was worth 500 K.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994754]What are you talking about? 500 k is the lowest price now in centro (so I'm told) I'm not evening paying market rate which I'm hearing at night time can hit 700 k short time.[/QUOTE]Who in their deranged cracked out minds is telling you 500 k is the lowest price in Centro and it can go to 700 k? It should NEVER hit those prices for STREET prostitutes in Colombia. 700 k (roughly $165 USD) is more than you'd pay for a 10/10 Instagram model looking bar girl at Hong Kong Club in Tijuana. I'm not a super experienced monger, I've only explored Mexico and Vegas, and I would NEVER presume those were the going rates in Cartagena because I've done my research on here by using the search function, eyeballing Telegram and using common sense.

I travel to Cartagena on the first of May, haven't even been there yet and I'm absolutely shocked reading what you wrote. Have you looked at prices in other Colombian cities? Medellin? Bogota? You'd be paying HALF those prices for better women. Please, for the love of everything holy, NEVER pay these prices for street prostitutes. It's not about who is broke and isn't broke, it's about the principle of the matter. Why WOULD you want to pay more than you have to? It makes ZERO sense when you DO NOT have to. And furthermore, why wouldn't you want to uplift your broke monger brothers so they can enjoy women too on a budget? Are you trying to brag? Flaunt? Flex? They're working girls, dude. "Get your money up" tells me you just like wasting your cash and don't care about other mongers. These girls laugh at you secretly, by the way, because they'd take WAY less, but you just give them more. You're a sucker to them.

I have plenty of money to my name, but do I want to pay close to $200 for an hour with a prostitute in a shitty love motel? Absolutely fucking not. If I wanted to do that, I'd stay in the states. I've decided to come to Colombia from Tijuana because of the situation there, but people like you just giving these girls free money is going to slowly ruin it for EVERYONE, low income, mid income, etc. Unlike you, I'll be holding my ground when I arrive, firmly telling these girls what I will pay (under 400 k), and walking away if they quote me RIDICULOUS prices like 500 k-700 k. Why? I value my money and how far it CAN go.

Just to clarify, whoever is feeding you (so you're told) that information is completely dead wrong. You can have Colombian women do OVERNIGHT stays for 400 k or even less if you're not ugly as shit. Do me a favor, go on Google Maps and start exploring in STREET VIEW the areas outside of Centro, Getsemani, Manga, Bocagrande, etc. Just slowly start scouring the streets, neighborhoods, look around. Then and only then, will you realize even $50 USD to these girls is hilariously more than enough. What's next? You going to start tipping $20 USD to the Uber drivers because it only costs $3 USD to go from Bocagrande to Centro?

I know some people are lazy AF and don't like to do legwork so from my last trip I managed to put together a list of menus of places I went to that had the menu on QR code. So visitors can see what the prices are for food and drinks before flying out.

Pretexto. While we were walking up the steps to go to Bronx Afrohouse I was told they moved here and renamed. It's around the corner just look for the basketball hoop. There are no working girls in here and the ones that are there are the same ones that were probably on the plane with you.

[URL]https://pretexto.cluvi.co/pretexto/maincategories[/URL]

MonkeyBar. Small and cramped. Expect every table to have a hookah smoking and expect lots of large females trying to turn up. If that's your thing this is is your spot.

[URL]https://monkey.cluvi.co/newmenu/24358/on_table/basic/categories/54433[/URL]

Mondo. They did not let me in when I had a girl with me. On a separate night the allowed me in when I was solo. No women, just men and and I'm guessing this is for the rainbow crowd.

[URL]https://drive.google.com/file/d/14rfYT9pX8F8bruNMLhzsVLxzj0efD4KT/view[/URL]

Androgeno. It's delurium. This place does not need explaining. Bar in the front is more quiet and calm bar in the back is too packed and you won't be able to moved. There is a shuttle that takes you there from Centro located here (10.4242035, -75.5484620). Hopefully the site doesn't do anything weird with the coordinates when posting.

Be warned that once you are out there you are at the mercy of the taxi drivers and they will rip you off.

[URL]https://androgeno-latin-club.cluvi.co/androgeno-latin-club[/URL]

TownHouse. Cool spot, it gets real windy and chilly though so the girls might not like it. They removed the arcade machine from by the door in the lobby though. For the first time in many years this was the first time I saw the sitting pools open on the rooftop.

[URL]https://qrcgcustomers.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/account10256065/34039155_1.pdf?0.666466030746584[/URL]

Mar De Les Antillas. There are 2 locations, one in Getseman and one in Centro. I prefer the one in Getseman as it's less annoying people. The food is wonderful and I always stop here at least twice per trip.

[URL]https://linktr.ee/mardelasantillas[/URL]

Henry's Rooftop. Great food and wonderful view of the castle at night. The bowling alley in the location is good as well for a nighttime activity. It's outside the walls and can get sketchy at night but I never had any issues so I can only speak from my experience.

[URL]https://henrys.com.co/san-felipe/[/URL]

Riqusimo Beach. I go just for the empanadas and the open flame steak. It's close when I stay in El Laguito and not too expensive.

[URL]https://riquisimobeach.com/menu[/URL]

I would also suggest checking out the rooftop of MallPlaza. They remodeled it to a nice outdoor area with food and drinks.

I did visit Santa Cattleya and I have to give the heads up. That area over there by xito is completely abandoned at night time. Besides the 2 guys outside the door of Santa Cattleya you will seldom find anyone walking around there so be careful.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2994794]LOL. 500 K for 1 hour for a Cartagena SW versus 100 K max for one in Bogota or Medellin. And he said, it is only 500 K. These gringos are something else. 500 K gets me 4 days in the deluxe king suite at the pretty much new hotel that I stay in in Bogota with free breakfast.[/QUOTE]What hotel is this? Headed to Bogota next week and may want to check it out.

[QUOTE=TrippyMonger;2994996]Who in their deranged cracked out minds is telling you 500 k is the lowest price in Centro and it can go to 700 k? It should NEVER hit those prices for STREET prostitutes in Colombia. 700 k (roughly $165 USD) is more than you'd pay for a 10/10 Instagram model looking bar girl at Hong Kong Club in Tijuana. I'm not a super experienced monger, I've only explored Mexico and Vegas, and I would NEVER presume those were the going rates in Cartagena because I've done my research on here by using the search function, eyeballing Telegram and using common sense.

I travel to Cartagena on the first of May, haven't even been there yet and I'm absolutely shocked reading what you wrote. Have you looked at prices in other Colombian cities? Medellin? Bogota? You'd be paying HALF those prices for better women..[/QUOTE]Ok, by reading your post it appears that you have never been to Cartagena. 1 mistake new comers make is comparing Cartagena to another mongering destination. It is a huge mistake to compare Cartagena to Tijuana a place where most girls are probably controlled by a pimp and the prices are set across the board. Even comparing it to Bogotá or Medellin can be a mistake, while yes it's the same country you have to realize those locations are not as popular as a tourist destination as Cartagena therefore the chicas are not exposed to gringos throwing money as much as they do in Cartagena. You will barely find a gringo throwing money in the air in Medellin or Bogota but you will often find them in Cartagena. No matter how much research you do, nothing is going to prepare you for when you arrive and realize allot of people who are there are use to paying $500 and up for a girl who looks like that in the states over night so when they are told a price so low it becomes a bargain in their mind. They don't care about local monthly wages, they don't care about prices, they don't care about the next monger, all they know is that chica looks much better than what's offered at home and she charges half the price.

I look forward to you arriving and posting your experience. Also if you are up for it, post pictures of the girls and what their asking price or counter offer price was, I'm sure I'm not the only one looking forward to when your expectations meet reality on what Cartagena has become.

Also just a side note, if your in centro at night walking around Restaurante San Valentin and you see a little girl selling bracelets, help her out by buying one, that's Alondra, she's cool to talk to and bullshit with. Also she can give you info on what's what since she's always there at night. She speaks English.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2995133]Ok, by reading your post it appears that you have never been to Cartagena. 1 mistake new comers make is comparing Cartagena to another mongering destination. It is a huge mistake to compare Cartagena to Tijuana a place where most girls are probably controlled by a pimp and the prices are set across the board. Even comparing it to Bogot or Medellin can be a mistake, while yes it's the same country you have to realize those locations are not as popular as a tourist destination as Cartagena therefore the chicas are not exposed to gringos throwing money as much as they do in Cartagena.[/QUOTE]While all mongering destinations differ in their exact dynamics, it's all the same thing dude. Street girls, online escorts, bar girls, TLN, etc. They use Mileroticos all the same too. The process of mongering in Cartagena is not much different, if barely at all, than what I'm used to. Working girls in Tijuana are NOT all controlled by a pimp, there are thousands upon thousands of independent working girls, not to mention girls in the major clubs they all quote their own different prices, as do the majority of paraditas. The prices are not set across the board, that is COMPLETELY false. I encourage you to visit the Tijuana Red Light District subreddit for more information. But yeah, If I'm going by the very recent reports on this forum, reading on various Telegram groups about Colombia and seeing Youtube video reports, it is nearly EXACTLY the same that I've experienced there. Minus the police in Tijuana actually rob and beat you very frequently these days. Can't go wrong with a pair of hidden pocket mongering boxer briefs to hide your cash.

Comparing Cartagena to Bogota and Medellin in the fresh year of 2025 is completely valid, do you know how much media about Colombia exists on Youtube or otherwise via Passport Bros and Vloggers? People know about these cities more than ever, I hear more and more about Medellin daily on Telegram or from browsing about. Go down the rabbit hole and see, Cartagena may be MORE popular obviously because it's more convenient and "safer" but the other mongering locations are LOOONG outed all over the internet. It's sad to say, the chicas there absolutely are exposed to the same type of gringos, it just hasn't gone completely downhill yet because the complete fools haven't gotten the balls yet to visit. As far as my expectations facing reality, I don't know what you think I think, that it's a magical land of $20 working girls?

The entire point of my post is that a few years ago Cartagena girls USED to be very affordable, but people like who I quoted are driving the prices up, VERY MUCH like they're doing in Tijuana right now and why I seek greener pastures. I'm not new to walking away from girls quoting ridiculous prices. They do it everywhere, but for every girl that you walk away from, there are a hundred more. Besides, I don't go for BBLs, lip injections, or fake tits. I find it absolutely disgusting, and those chicas usually think they're worth so much more. It always narrows the game down for me. I'd also like to add, I'm 27 years old, active and in good shape, decently good looking so no ugly tax. That likely contributes as to why I don't ultimately have to pay stupid prices.

I'm very aware though that Cartagena is becoming worse and worse every year because of these cash flaunting fools. It's a shame, because I really do enjoy the beach vibes any time I travel. By the way, how are the casinos in Bocagrande, if anyone knows? My friend coming along is a gambler, and any time we're in Vegas they love partaking.

Anyway, I appreciate your knowledge. I look forward to very soon putting boots to the ground, unlocking my adventures in Colombia and testing out some chicas. I might even fly domestic to Medellin while I'm there, who knows? I did see some girls online that looked tempting. Get the reality of both places, aye? We'll see. Thank you for the earlier post, Henry's Rooftop is exactly what I was looking for as I was wondering if Al Pastor was prevalent and also I love bowling! I'll have to keep an eye out for Alondra, too. I'll buy a bracelet. Thank you.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994880]Mr E it's not my fault you're broke and worrying about what others are doing with money. You always get people like you on forums behind a screen, get your money up and stop being a wasteman spending your life on here stalking the forum.[/QUOTE]There is a thick line between being broke and being smart enough to not spend $120 for 1 hour with a street walker in Colombia. When I go to places that I know it costs a significant amount of money to do certain things, then I spend the money. When I go to a third world country to fuck street walkers, then I am smart enough to realize that should not cost $120.

I am not worrying about what you are doing with your money. Hell, I think you should pay them 1 million pesos for 1 hour. But for everyone else that.

At least finished elementary school, this is a dumb thing to do.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994880]Mr E it's not my fault you're broke and worrying about what others are doing with money. You always get people like you on forums behind a screen, get your money up and stop being a wasteman spending your life on here stalking the forum.[/QUOTE]Nobody is broke, but a lot of you guys are painfully ignorant. It amazes me that guys like yourself call people broke because they find it foolish to pay double for a product that is in abundance. The girls look at as a stupid gringo that thrive getting over on.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994880]Mr E it's not my fault you're broke and worrying about what others are doing with money. You always get people like you on forums behind a screen, get your money up and stop being a wasteman spending your life on here stalking the forum.[/QUOTE]The funny thing is that most Colombians don't even pay those rates for Street Walkers. They know better and they know what chicas are really worth. It's not about being broke, it's about being smart and paying chicas what they are worth and 99.9% of street walkers are not worth 500 K. Ijs.

I'm a frequent travel to Bogota, having been there about 7 times in the past 4 or 5 years. I've also done Medellin for a weekend. Earlier this year I booked a two week trip to Bogota and then realized it Earlier this week decided since I've never been to Cartagena that I should check it out on this trip. Today I hit up a Seeking that I've somehow managed to never pay but hang out with each time I'm in Bogota and invited her with me for this weekend. I didn't think she would accept given that it's Easter weekend but she was ecstatic so I just bought her plan tickets. We've had a couple of threesomes in Bogota with other Seeking girls. She's down for finding girls for us to play with. Any ideas on where I should be taking her? Any clubs that would have girls down for playing. I've done swinger clubs in Bogota and very familiar with that scene. Anything like that in Cartagena? Open to ideas.

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994880]Mr E it's not my fault you're broke and worrying about what others are doing with money. You always get people like you on forums behind a screen, get your money up and stop being a wasteman spending your life on here stalking the forum.[/QUOTE]This is exactly why cartagena got took off my list as soon youtubers blew it up. It's only a matter of time before prices get ridiculous anytime passport bros or Americans in general learn about a "new spot" it's such a silly American mentality. It's like going to a used car dealership knowing the car cost $5000 but you pay 10 because you got it like that and not broke LOL. I probably never go to sosua and cartagena again. Fellas my advice is to find you a spot off the beaten. Path that Americans don't go to and enjoy that spot and keep your mouth shut. I love going to places where idiots like this won't come and ruin it for me. You got guys in cartagena paying chick's hundreds of dollars to come hang out with them on a boat and if they want to smash that's another couple hundred LOL. But yall enjoy though cartagena and sosua will never see me again as long as dudes like this are there.

You are 100% right. I know Cartagena since about 20 years. What stupid Gringos made of it especially the last 3-4 years is ridiculous.

Before it was one ifv he best places to find fantastic girls, no it's only with ridiculous prices.

[QUOTE=CkNice11;2996325]This is exactly why cartagena got took off my list
as soon youtubers blew it up. It's only a matter of time before prices get ridiculous anytime passport bros or Americans in general learn about a "new spot" it's such a silly American mentality. It's like going to a used car dealership knowing the car cost $5000 but you pay 10 because you got it like that and not broke LOL. I probably never go to sosua and cartagena again. Fellas my advice is to find you a spot off the beaten. Path that Americans don't go to and enjoy that spot and keep your mouth shut. I love going to places where idiots like this won't come and ruin it for me. You got guys in cartagena paying chick's hundreds of dollars to come hang out with them on a boat and if they want to smash that's another couple hundred LOL. But yall enjoy though cartagena and sosua will never see me again as long as dudes like this are there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DidierD;2994880]Mr E it's not my fault you're broke and worrying about what others are doing with money. You always get people like you on forums behind a screen, get your money up and stop being a wasteman spending your life on here stalking the forum.[/QUOTE]The conversation is always the same.

Here, we have the classic "pocket watching" reply.

For context:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2971726&viewfull=1#post2971726[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2996908]The conversation is always the same.

Here, we have the classic "pocket watching" reply.

For context:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2971726&viewfull=1#post2971726[/URL][/QUOTE]Most convo threads seem to just be arguments about who wants to be spend what. Wish there were more boots on the ground posts since CTG scene is changing month by month. I miss Dolce Vita, Space where it was great for plug & play for hot cheap talent.

Have stuck to Medellin the last few trips so will give CTG a go for 2 nights. Sounds like Cattleya 'could' be the successor to Dolce. Street scene sounds like a mess, doesn't help when youtubers reposting old walk vids from 2 years ago. Last resorts will be a couple girl contacts & maybe passionprepagos.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2996908]The conversation is always the same.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2971726&viewfull=1#post2971726[/URL][/QUOTE]I fully agree. I wish Mr. President could put walls to control more "emigration" rather than "immigration".

It is a month ago, but I will report from 10 days in Cartagena. I stayed in an apartment in Laguito, no problems to bring in girls. I went to Cartagena because of several thing: beautiful weather, sun, beaches, good food, historic city with the fort and the Old Town, some sightseeing. I have been in Cartagena several times before.

But also to enjoy the hobby! I have read about all the major changes during the last year with closing of Dolce Vita, Space etc. I have read and followed the recent reports so I knew quite well what to anticipate.

I started with a girl from Seeking. We had dinner on my second evening and we felt good together, so I spent 3 evenings with her. She was rather spoilt, wanted USD 300 per meet, we ended with 500 for 3 nights, based on the excellent tone we found on the first evening.

One girl from the streets of Laguito (400 K pesos), one girl from the internet (500 K pesos, and one girl from the streets of Old Town (500 K pesos). I was also out a couple of evenings without seeing anything that I wanted but there were girls around. I was too lazy to make special efforts.

I did not visit any of the strip clubs or other clubs outside the Old Town that has been reported recently. Cartagena is far from how it used to be, but still absolutely possible to enjoy the Hobby with a minimum of work.

All in all I enjoyed my time in Cartagena. But it definitely is different from how it was a few years back.

[QUOTE=Explorer69;3001800] wanted USD 300 per meet, we ended with 500 for 3 nights [/QUOTE]$500 USD ($2,150,000 Pesos) for only 3 meet ups / nights.

It's over.

[URL]https://youtu.be/P6-WUNN-1EM?si=RKFnACEJbBgb0alk[/URL]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3002373]It's over.

[URL]https://youtu.be/P6-WUNN-1EM?si=RKFnACEJbBgb0alk[/URL][/QUOTE]Fuck that pace and "Leche Papi" Sosua!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3002373]It's over.

[URL]https://youtu.be/P6-WUNN-1EM?si=RKFnACEJbBgb0alk[/URL][/QUOTE]Anton Daniels should be the last person talking on this matter because he was one of the main ones out there saying any man who is travelling for women is lame then once his pandering to women stop gaining momentum and they started disrespecting him on his own platform, he switched sides now trying to "understand" passport bros by asking the most dumbest questions that have obvious answers like hes never been to a non English speaking country. As I said before, once black American women started showing up in Cartagena in mass it was done because what they do is aggressively try to compete with black American men trying to do masculine things. They see bros buying bottles, they want to buy bottles, they see bros smoking hookah, they want to smoke hookah. Homie was just mad because no mine in that line was going to try and get some bussy from him.

Just wait, Memorial Day weekend and Juneteenth Weekend are going to be crazy with the stories that are going to happen.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3002564]As I said before, once black American women started showing up in Cartagena in mass it was done .[/QUOTE]I pretty much felt the same way about Sosua and Medellin. American / Canadian women, in general, and especially single women. When I see them starting to populate what started off as a mongering destination, IMO, it's a wrap. If single women are coming that means everyone is coming.

I flew into Bogota the other day and I noticed the line was longer than usual. To their credit, Bogota generally moves faster than Medellin, as it seems like the staff actually gives a fck.

I never had a wait in Cartagena but I haven't been in awhile. This video is claiming that a lot more folks are lining up now. I guess I'll see later this year when I decide to visit.

Going through immigration the other day, I noticed signs about labor relations. From what I could gather, there are still some issues with contract negotiations, which might cause some kind of work action in the near future which means that getting through immigration might become a slower process, if things don't get resolved in a timely fashion.

It seems like the Sosua crowd has pretty much fully made the location change to Cartagena. As such, you should already know what to expect when you go there. If you went through this already with Sosua, nothing should be new or surprise you.

I am in southern FL, so CTG is a quick, cheap flight for me. I have been there three times, but right now I don't plan to go back for many of the reasons cited. Having read the last few pages here certainly hasn't changed my mind, but I wanted to offer a few comments.

There has been some discussion of street vs. "escort" prices. Normally street prices are lower than incall / outcall prices, but IMO it is different in cities that are known sex tourism destinations. The guys everyone on here complain about aren't experienced hobbyists who do their research on local pricing and know how to use mileroticos and skokka. They are going to go to Centro because they have heard that is how you find girls. Because they aren't knowledgeable or experienced the girls who go there are going to exploit them. Prices are going to be more volatile in Centro (just look at the conversation on here!) because the prices the guys who go there are willing to pay are more volatile. The quality of girls on the street is also probably higher than in other cities because better-looking girls are going where the money is. So are the scammers. For me Centro is a tourist attraction and it is fine to check out the chicas, but unless you happen to hit the jackpot it isn't the best way to get laid.

My own experience on Mileroticos has been very good. The site has its own verification tools which are helpful if you use them. If you click on "Comentarios" you can find the girls who have comments / reviews to see if they are favorable, and you can also click on the reviewer to make sure he has other reviews and is less likely to be a shill. If you don't speak Spanish just be sure you are comfortable with Google Translate, and if you go to her place just be aware you may be in a neighborhood that is off the tourist map. There is also a good chance you are dealing with an agency.

There is at least one Colombian review board (doncolombia dot com) that may be useful in verifying girls and getting info on prices, performance, and services. Since the subject of local vs. Gringo pricing has been frequently discussed, here are local prices from a few reviews.

Zarem - 130 K / HR; 60 K / qv Hotel Darling, which is apparently infamous to locals.

Sofia - 70 K / hh Hotel Arizona, also outside of tourist areas.

Giselle - 70 K / qv BBW, also Hotel Arizona.

Sara / Kamila - 150 K / HR with anal (hard and deep, per review) Area described as "not unsafe, but not a place you would leave your car for long).

Karola - 400 K / overnight Outcall.

All referenced mileroticos ads except for Karola, who was on Skokka. I'm not suggesting these are girls any of us would choose, but it gives you an idea of what the locals are getting and where they are going.

Happy hobbying, guys. For now I will be exploring greener pastures.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3002564] As I said before, once black American women started showing up in Cartagena in mass it was done because what they do is aggressively try to compete with black American men trying to do masculine things. They see bros buying bottles, they want to buy bottles, they see bros smoking hookah, they want to smoke hookah. Homie was just mad because no mine in that line was going to try and get some busy from him.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I do not get that at all. I thought the reason American black men are going to Cartagena is so they do not have to deal with American black women. Maybe the black American men tried to sell the black women on others things (the beaches, the history, the food) instead of their going for Colombian women and the American women wanted to see it.

I did see some American women in a hotel elevator talking about beauty procedures when in Cartagena, and I was like, if you think you are beautiful now, then you all need to get your money back.

Ironically, Medellin and Bogota are cheaper and better for the same beauty procedures, but I would guess most are comparing Cartagena to the USA.

Except for the rainy season, Cartagena is reliably hot and sunny and it is cheaper than other places on the Carribean, so I guess there is that. It would be one thing too if the Colombian men were interested in American women, but I have not seen any evidence of that.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3002633]I pretty much felt the same way about Sosua and Medellin. American / Canadian women, in general, and especially single women. When I see them starting to populate what started off as a mongering destination, IMO, it's a wrap. If single women are coming that means everyone is coming.

I flew into Bogota the other day and I noticed the line was longer than usual. To their credit, Bogota generally moves faster than Medellin, as it seems like the staff actually gives a fck.

I never had a wait in Cartagena but I haven't been in awhile. This video is claiming that a lot more folks are lining up now. I guess I'll see later this year when I decide to visit.

Going through immigration the other day, I noticed signs about labor relations. From what I could gather, there are still some issues with contract negotiations, which might cause some kind of work action in the near future which means that getting through immigration might become a slower process, if things don't get resolved in a timely fashion.

It seems like the Sosua crowd has pretty much fully made the location change to Cartagena. As such, you should already know what to expect when you go there. If you went through this already with Sosua, nothing should be new or surprise you.[/QUOTE]No one is talking about it, but they are doing the slow immigration lines are purpose. Operation Turtle:

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/alert-operacion-tortuga-possible-delays-at-immigration-entry-and-exit/[/URL]

I went in the middle of March and when I landed in CTG a Spirit and Latam plane landed infront of us. Then AA came behind. The line was out the door and onto the tarmac. I felt sorry for anyone who was outside in that heat.

Many people on here been saying the Sosua crown went to Cartagena and messed it up, but what they didn't notice is after they messed it up they started going to Peru and messing it up there as well and the wrong people noticed and TDA started robbing them that's why the crime rate spiked, and they had to lock down the city, but no one is talking about it.

[URL]https://pe.usembassy.gov/security-alert-state-of-emergency-declared-in-lima-and-callao-march-18-2025-u-s-embassy-lima-peru-march-20-2025/[/URL]

I'm watching people talk so much trash in these chat groups while ignoring what's right Infront of their face talking about "I know how to move" "aint going to be me caught slippin".

I use to go to CTG 3 - 4 times a year, but now I might just slow it down to 1- 2 times a year. Arrive on a Thursday, see my usual 3 chicas a day then leave on Sunday.

No more 2 - 3 week stays its just not worth it to me anymore since most of my good chicas left to the US or had babies and gained crazy weight.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3002886]but what they didn't notice is after they messed it up they started going to Peru and messing it up there as well and the wrong people noticed and TDA started robbing them that's why the crime rate spiked, and they had to lock down the city, but no one is talking about it.

[/QUOTE]That's odd. Nobody I know has said anything about going to Peru.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3003031]That's odd. Nobody I know has said anything about going to Peru.[/QUOTE]You're kllling me jajaja.

Who makes these things? Every time I see one pop up on Facebook or in the chat group it leaves me in tears of how accurate the figures are.

I'm waiting for one with the Yankee fitted, overgrown beard with Jordans.

It's funny how they put it out as if the black guys are mostly the victims of drugging and etc but it's mostly the white guys who get caught up. Same thing in Africa a lot of them got drugged, robbed, mugged and sometimes rapped but the media kind of hide it. It happens in Kenya a lot, now they never come to Nairobi nor Mombasa CBD, Bamburi nor Mombasa city period. They no longer visit parliament road in Kampala, nor Kampala CBD. There's a lot of places in South Africa they will not come neither I can go on and on.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3003031]That's odd. Nobody I know has said anything about going to Peru.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;3003070]Who makes these things? Every time I see one pop up on Facebook or in the chat group it leaves me in tears of how accurate the figures are.

I'm waiting for one with the Yankee fitted, overgrown beard with Jordans.[/QUOTE]Here you go:

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uofhiz05yg&pp=ygUeYWN0aW9uIGZpZ3VyZSB0dXRvcmlhbCBjaGF0Z3B00gcJCYYJAYcqIYzv[/URL]

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3001909]$500 USD ($2,150,000 Pesos) for only 3 meet ups / nights.[/QUOTE]Well, it was a whole evening and parts of the night. Much more than a one hour fuck. Quality + Quantity = Excellent!

Someone posted this on the Map.

The address is incomplete!

Casas de la Citas Alcibia.

Near Av. Pedro de Heredia, after the (Mercado del Bazurto). Chicas _ Prices: _k 30 min. , __k hour. Tel: _ Hours: _.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/DKDB2TcJDCX/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==[/URL]

This happened right behind La Serrezuela Mall, outside the walls is not for everyone even in broad daylight.

Don't get got.

I have been to Medellin 18 times. I want to make my first visit to Cartagena. Are there any Airbnb's that allow guests / visitors? It looks very strict up there.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3007137]I have been to Medellin 18 times. I want to make my first visit to Cartagena. Are there any Airbnb's that allow guests / visitors? It looks very strict up there.[/QUOTE]There are many but you have to do the legwork and read the rules. I had a list of good ones with security and without security and use to share it willingly but few bad apples ruin it for everyone and used my name to do it. So now I keep my mouth shut. I can tell you to target El Laguito and Getsemani. Centro will have the most restrictions.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/DKmsOJYg9TC/[/URL]

Small world. This same chick picked my pocket before in like 5 seconds while I was walking in Centro. I had just changed out $300 and my dumb ass was distracted texting another Chica on my phone just like this guy. Once I felt the tug and tapped my pocket all the money I just changed was gone. Took a picture of her and showed the cops and they immediately knew who she was. They grabbed her and we all went to the police station, and they kept searching her, but she had no money in her purse. I'm not going to say what happened in the police station, but they found the 1,260,000 mil after about 20 minutes with her in a back room.

The most embarrassing part that I was not prepared for was they asked me for my ID and I gave it to them. Then had me stand by some banner and they recorded a video of one of the cops returning the ID and the money to me.

Some dudes have no situational awareness. For any newbies, here's how he messed up:

-Wearing jewelry trying to flex. Likely wasnt even real as you'd feel more weight from an authentic chain.

-Being solo. An extra pair of eyes would spot that.

-Letting a stranger close enough to not just touch you, but grope you for long period of time. Stay out of arms reach and she can't be stealth.

-Not knowing some Spanish, you can pick up on the scammers easier when you understand the same lines.

-Having your phone oblivious to surrounding. I expected someone to snatch the phone & run.

-Couldnr be any more of a red flag puta. Heavy, non tasteful tattoos (to me there's a difference in chica with who gets quality art pieces vs those who get cheap plastered all over). Busted, older, confident enough to work solo. Not saying there aren't honey pots, but generally the prettier, more refined girls aren't having to jack PPBs. The club girls at Cattleya while don't let your guard down, sure may upsell the simps that pay anything but theyre not trying to piss off / kill potential business.

Its not like these hood dudes have no street smarts, you wouldn't.

Let any person touch you like this in Times Square. A reason I never liked going to Delirium because you'd get same type of dudes annoying the girls & antagonizing the panhandlers.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3008112]The most embarrassing part that I was not prepared for was they asked me for my ID and I gave it to them. Then had me stand by some banner and they recorded a video of one of the cops returning the ID and the money to me.[/QUOTE]A couple of years ago I had a problem with a chick in Thailand. (We were in the bed naked and I grabbed my phone to show her something and she thought I was taking pictures of her.) We went to the police station. She did not want to give in and I was not going to give in. So the police said we would have to go to court on the issue. I was leaving the next day though so finally gave in to give the chick $30 I had negotiated to fuck even though I never got a chance to fuck.

The police wanted to take a picture of me giving the chick the money. No sir. I have seen this program too many times. I give it to [B]you[/B] and [B]you[/B] give it to her. Not about to put me in the fucking paper or on the news.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3008109]There are many but you have to do the legwork and read the rules. I had a list of good ones with security and without security and use to share it willingly but few bad apples ruin it for everyone and used my name to do it. So now I keep my mouth shut. I can tell you to target El Laguito and Getsemani. Centro will have the most restrictions.[/QUOTE]I appreciate that and I can say I helped many on the MDE side with a few not properly returning the favor.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3008109]There are many but you have to do the legwork and read the rules. I had a list of good ones with security and without security and use to share it willingly but few bad apples ruin it for everyone and used my name to do it. So now I keep my mouth shut. I can tell you to target El Laguito and Getsemani. Centro will have the most restrictions.[/QUOTE]Better late than never, but at least you learned.

Anyone know if there's a place in ctg that has magnums?
Can’t take the chicken gettin choked any longer.
Or if you’re coming down next week, I’ll pay for em. Lol. Pm me if willing.
TIA!

[QUOTE=MocosGuey;3010091]Anyone know if there's a place in ctg that has magnums?
Cant take the chicken gettin choked any longer.
Or if youre coming down next week, Ill pay for em. Lol. Pm me if willing.
TIA![/QUOTE]Maybe try Amazon?

[QUOTE=MocosGuey;3010091]Anyone know if there's a place in ctg that has magnums?
Cant take the chicken gettin choked any longer.
Or if youre coming down next week, Ill pay for em. Lol. Pm me if willing.
TIA![/QUOTE]This has to be a troll post or OP has not stepped outside of their hotel.

Go to Centro and walk around where the working girl clubs use to be and they will be people walking around pushing Magnums in your face left and right saying "Magnums no babies!" Or, go to Delirium at the new location, there is a lady right outside with all the magnums you want.

Even the pharmacy has to have magnums.

Me personal I have no idea why people use those horrible magnums anyway. As soon and the condom gets hot it starts to smell like a dragster doing a burnout. I like my thin polyurethane and they come in XL as well.

I've been robbed before and to be honest I can spot a thief a mile away. Latin America is one of the shadiest places in the world. I would never let a working girl hug me like that period because either shell be patting me down for my wallet or cellphone. If not that using some type of tool to get my chain. I'm glad that in countries like Mexico, Colombia and etc the police will do their job. In case a country like the Dominican Republic the police will make it seem like you agitated the situation and that was the reason why the invidual stole from you and you have to pay a $400-700 fine to the police on the spot! Last time a chick stole from me in Latin America they got their asses whopped! I'm pretty sure these guys heard all types of bull shitting ass stories but figured this time things would be different.

Never leave your drink unattended, never invite a woman's back to your room for cocinar why limpiar. Never allow someone to feel on you let alone a group of people feel on you their only trying to pick your pockets. Never leave your shit in a hotel safe, I recommend leave your room extremely filthy and hiding your money separately and keeping some cards and cash on you and the other stuff hidden.

And finally don't get fucking sloppy drunk it'll mess you up in the long run.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3008112][URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/DKmsOJYg9TC/[/URL]

Small world. This same chick picked my pocket before in like 5 seconds while I was walking in Centro. I had just changed out $300 and my dumb ass was distracted texting another Chica on my phone just like this guy. Once I felt the tug and tapped my pocket all the money I just changed was gone. Took a picture of her and showed the cops and they immediately knew who she was. They grabbed her and we all went to the police station, and they kept searching her, but she had no money in her purse. I'm not going to say what happened in the police station, but they found the 1,260,000 mil after about 20 minutes with her in a back room.

The most embarrassing part that I was not prepared for was they asked me for my ID and I gave it to them. Then had me stand by some banner and they recorded a video of one of the cops returning the ID and the money to me.[/QUOTE]

Anyone got any info on this? Why he crash out like that?

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/DMOdtluxM5c/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/DMOuQzWRqeL/[/URL]

I was just there and the funniest shit I saw upon arrival was when I was in line, 5 Indians, they sound Guyanese were about 5 people ahead of me and they had about 30 people in front of them most of which looked to be a sport team of teenagers cause they were all wearing matching red whit and blue jackets. One of the Indian guys wanted to be slick and talk to a kid to let him skip the line directly to the front. The kid told him 400 mil or he wanted $20 a person. I see the guy hand him $100 and then him and his 4 boys go under the rope now they about second from being called to approach the officer booth. But I'm watching the other officer directing people to the booths and we locked eyes, she was a cute little thing, and she winked at me and smiled, I'm thinking she is flirting but it was something else. Next thing I know, she pulled all 5 of them off the line and had them stand to the side next to the pillar, then put them back in the line where the bathrooms were and I see the kid walking away who got paid the $100. I was cracking up. The line was moving fast so there was no need to skip but instead of waiting 10 minutes now they had about another hour waiting in the line. JAJAJA.

Many watch the hundreds of youtuber walk thrus. Do you recognize any women in them? I am guessing there is always big turnover in the business. What's your guess of % of women that are the same in CTG?

Been there couple times and met quite a few. Watching these ctg mdj walk videos has been one of my favorite things on YT over the years. Feels nostalgic.

For the first time I recognized someone in a recent video! Was kinda surprised! When we had met she had told me she never walks the streets.

[QUOTE=Masti39;3016336]Many watch the hundreds of youtuber walk thrus. Do you recognize any women in them? I am guessing there is always big turnover in the business. What's your guess of % of women that are the same in CTG?[/QUOTE]Ain't no turnover. They only go back and forth to Medellin.

[QUOTE=Masti39;3016336]For the first time I recognized someone in a recent video! Was kinda surprised! When we had met she had told me she never walks the streets.[/QUOTE]Are you that naive as to belive what a hooker tells you? If their mouth is moving then they are lying. You are paying to fuck, not for their honesty. Did she also tell you girls that walk the street cost less because they have diseases? Because that is also a hooker favorite.

[QUOTE=Masti39;3016336]
For the first time I recognized someone in a recent video! ... When we had met she had told me she never walks the streets.[/QUOTE]Did she also tell you she was not a sex worker and still a virgin? LOL.

[QUOTE=Masti39;3016336]Many watch the hundreds of youtuber walk thrus. Do you recognize any women in them? I am guessing there is always big turnover in the business. What's your guess of % of women that are the same in CTG?

Been there couple times and met quite a few. Watching these ctg mdj walk videos has been one of my favorite things on YT over the years. Feels nostalgic.

For the first time I recognized someone in a recent video! Was kinda surprised! When we had met she had told me she never walks the streets.[/QUOTE]There's no turnover, what happens is gringos fly them chicas out so they disappear for a while then they return, or some gringo monopolize their time for a while. Most of this is easy to know if you follow them on Instagram or Facebook as they constantly tell on themselves because they constantly want attention and likes. Or they got pregnant and disappear for a few months then they are back out on the street. Was just in MDE and saw a few faces from CTG, when I spoke to them, they say they make more money in Parque Lleras than in Cartagena. Besides Cartagena is making it difficult for them to make money, certain streets are blocked off and the girls are not allowed to walk there, they also cannot stand around and must keep moving. The majority are now forced out into El Bosque at Delirium and Space, but that environment has no security and easy to get robbed on the way back. I also find it funny chicas are saying $120 an hour and sticking to it. I had so many chicas tell me that in CTG and MDE a week ago and they were willing to stand their ground all night even though no one was giving in and this went on all the way till 4 in the morning when I left the Clock Tower or Parque Lleras they were still there.

I watch the videos from time to time and always recognize familiar faces and when I do I just save the video for later.

Recently I just met one and she told me it was her first time in Cartagena working and she's from Cali. She was a tight little thing, so tight that it was hurting me throughout the whole time. A week later I'm watching the youtube and there she is walking by Monkey Bar, clipped it and sent her the video, she said it was from a few months ago when she first came. These girls all say the same things. Also many of those videos are old. For instance, I see videos of Parque Lleras uploaded this week, but I know the videos are old because when I was there last week the street in front of Glow was ripped up then freshly paved, but the videos are showing the street nicely painted in a mosaic and the street looks old. In the videos they show barricades at the entrances when I was there no barricades. Saw a video uploaded about 2 days ago of a chica I know from CTG walking by The Clocktower area who I met in Parque Lleras last week, video shows her looking normal but when I saw her in person last week she clearly had lipo, tummy tuck and new tits. Showed her the video she said it was a month old. So just be aware people are uploading old videos.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3016352]Are you that naive as to belive what a hooker tells you? [/QUOTE]I didn't really care! I had casually asked do you go to centro, she told me she's strictly online dating apps, doesn't walk or post ads! The way she said it as if apps was a step above walking! So I thought hmm maybe they are separate buckets.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3016452]There's no turnover........[/QUOTE]Interesting! There has to be turnover in this business though, you visit after a year you will def see new faces. My guess was upwards of 50% yearly turnover.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3016452]... just be aware people are uploading old videos.[/QUOTE]I would say videos typically posted after couple weeks or months. I think I know now how to distinguish year+ old vs newer ones now LOL.

Exactly my experience and what I always wondered if they are there until 4 am and sticking to their prices, wouldn't it make more sense getting some business than none?

I never understood the economics behind. If they are from out of town, that is 1 extra day they have to spend to make money to offset that day they went home alone.

I had one girl trying to talk me out of going with her friend or going with both of them while her friend went to the restroom. The girl that I took told her friend in the morning that she got 40% more than what I had paid her. She said that her friend would be scolding her if she mentions what I paid LOL. Not the best experience as her friend came to pick her up downstairs and was the clock watcher.
The same was happening at La Isla as well, I was getting quoted like 1M+ for outcall for the next day when I asked the girls Vs. I was getting quoted 600k at La Isla. Crazy math or economics, perhaps I am missing something?
[QUOTE=Nypher;3016452]There's no turnover, what happens is gringos fly them chicas out so they disappear for a while then they return, or some gringo monopolize their time for a while. Most of this is easy to know if you follow them on Instagram or Facebook as they constantly tell on themselves because they constantly want attention and likes. Or they got pregnant and disappear for a few months then they are back out on the street. Was just in MDE and saw a few faces from CTG, when I spoke to them, they say they make more money in Parque Lleras than in Cartagena. Besides Cartagena is making it difficult for them to make money, certain streets are blocked off and the girls are not allowed to walk there, they also cannot stand around and must keep moving. The majority are now forced out into El Bosque at Delirium and Space, but that environment has no security and easy to get robbed on the way back. I also find it funny chicas are saying $120 an hour and sticking to it. I had so many chicas tell me that in CTG and MDE a week ago and they were willing to stand their ground all night even though no one was giving in and this went on all the way till 4 in the morning when I left the Clock Tower or Parque Lleras they were still there.

I watch the videos from time to time and always recognize familiar faces and when I do I just save the video for later.

Recently I just met one and she told me it was her first time in Cartagena working and she's from Cali. She was a tight little thing, so tight that it was hurting me throughout the whole time. A week later I'm watching the youtube and there she is walking by Monkey Bar, clipped it and sent her the video, she said it was from a few months ago when she first came. These girls all say the same things. Also many of those videos are old. For instance, I see videos of Parque Lleras uploaded this week, but I know the videos are old because when I was there last week the street in front of Glow was ripped up then freshly paved, but the videos are showing the street nicely painted in a mosaic and the street looks old. In the videos they show barricades at the entrances when I was there no barricades. Saw a video uploaded about 2 days ago of a chica I know from CTG walking by The Clocktower area who I met in Parque Lleras last week, video shows her looking normal but when I saw her in person last week she clearly had lipo, tummy tuck and new tits. Showed her the video she said it was a month old. So just be aware people are uploading old videos.[/QUOTE]

They already may have done an hour or two since they started last evening, or may be newbie already paid them good?

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3016598]Exactly my experience and what I always wondered if they are there until 4 am and sticking to their prices, wouldn't it make more sense getting some business than none?
[/QUOTE]

My gal sent this one, and I tried to tell her the guy was Colombian and had Colombian parents and reminded her of the Colombians at the Hard Rock Stadium in Miami, but I think I lost the argument.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6OiiiSfhAg[/URL]

For all those of you who are stuck in a long ass line in customs in Cartagena where it is hot as balls, this is not what you do.

[QUOTE=Degenerate24;3016598]The same was happening at La Isla as well, I was getting quoted like 1M+ for outcall for the next day when I asked the girls Vs. I was getting quoted 600k at La Isla. Crazy math or economics, perhaps I am missing something?[/QUOTE]What you may be missing is, do not go to clubs like Gustos, La Isla, Glow, etc to get chicas. When stepping inside a "Club environment" you're paying for the "club experience". Once you get out of that club mentality its easy to see the same girls inside the clubs are walking outside on Calle 10 or if in over Laures, leave Jenny Lao alone and walk down Calle 70.

Side note:

One thing I've observed from my recent trip is that the Indians have totally fucked shit up when it comes to prices. I got chicas I've know for years tell me that all they go with now are Indians because they are paying more. I tell them "Sex only last about 15 to 30 minutes so that's 200 mil tops, so what the fuck are they paying you?" they telling me the Indians are paying $150 an hour. They don't like to do it but they get one for the night and they can go home happy.

There is also an increase of Studs coming in trying to compete with men for the same women so they are in clubs smoking hookah and popping bottles trying ot get attention as well.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3016683]What you may be missing is, do not go to clubs like Gustos, La Isla, Glow, etc to get chicas. When stepping inside a "Club environment" you're paying for the "club experience". Once you get out of that club mentality its easy to see the same girls inside the clubs are walking outside on Calle 10 or if in over Laures, leave Jenny Lao alone and walk down Calle 70.

Side note:

One thing I've observed from my recent trip is that the Indians have totally fucked shit up when it comes to prices. I got chicas I've know for years tell me that all they go with now are Indians because they are paying more. I tell them "Sex only last about 15 to 30 minutes so that's 200 mil tops, so what the fuck are they paying you?" they telling me the Indians are paying $150 an hour. They don't like to do it but they get one for the night and they can go home happy.

There is also an increase of Studs coming in trying to compete with men for the same women so they are in clubs smoking hookah and popping bottles trying ot get attention as well.[/QUOTE]I agree with you I saw tons of Indians and asked a girl, they also said they were good tippers. They are there to check their bucket list of hot girls they have been with LOL.

I will be going to cartagena in August for 2 weeks. It is my first time in Colombia but I have traveled in many parts of the world including mexico, dominican republic and other places that are not very safe. To be honest, I am slightly worried about the scopolamine. I know about not sharing drinks, food or cigarettes or anything but I am worried about the spray since they can spray you in the face and if you inhale you can lose consciousness real quick.

I was a "bad boy" and I got a lot of tinder matches throughout which I have some 20 years old very beautiful girls. I know for sure they want money for service but I don't know if they are willing to risk to drug me. I was wondering how do you gentlemen, with much more knowledge than me, tackle this situation when in Colombia. Do you plan on meeting other people from this forum? I know that in 2 the chances of being drugged decrease dramatically. Do you stay away from tinder like apps and only go for the streets? How do you do this? The Indian guys aren't getting drugged and robbed?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3016991]I will be going to cartagena in August for 2 weeks. It is my first time in Colombia but I have traveled in many parts of the world including mexico, dominican republic and other places that are not very safe. To be honest, I am slightly worried about the scopolamine. I know about not sharing drinks, food or cigarettes or anything but I am worried about the spray since they can spray you in the face and if you inhale you can lose consciousness real quick.

I was a "bad boy" and I got a lot of tinder matches throughout which I have some 20 years old very beautiful girls. I know for sure they want money for service but I don't know if they are willing to risk to drug me. I was wondering how do you gentlemen, with much more knowledge than me, tackle this situation when in Colombia. Do you plan on meeting other people from this forum? I know that in 2 the chances of being drugged decrease dramatically. Do you stay away from tinder like apps and only go for the streets? How do you do this? The Indian guys aren't getting drugged and robbed?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you watch your drinks and don't hang out in sketchy places, you would be fine. I would say your hotel or AirBNB security could help, you want them to take their ID or passports. They are less likely to attempt to rob you. I noticed that most incidents occur at places where they are not screening / or requesting ID form the girl. Some places would keep their ID or passports until they leave as well.

I would avoid tinder or the dating apps, harder to screen the girls... If the price sounds too good to be true...

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3016991]To be honest, I am slightly worried about the scopolamine. I know about not sharing drinks, food or cigarettes or anything but I am worried about the spray since they can spray you in the face and if you inhale you can lose consciousness real quick.
.[/QUOTE]Ain't no spray. That is an old wives tale from the movie Serpent and the Rainbow. Scopolamine has become a generic term for being drugged. In none of these articles where the people got caught do they list them as having scopolamine. It is always some drug from the pharmacy. They get you by putting a date rape drug in your drink. If there was some spray then obviously it would affect them as much as it would affect you if they were not wearing a mask and gloves.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3016991]I will be going to cartagena in August for 2 weeks. It is my first time in Colombia but I have traveled in many parts of the world including mexico, dominican republic and other places that are not very safe. To be honest, I am slightly worried about the scopolamine. I know about not sharing drinks, food or cigarettes or anything but I am worried about the spray since they can spray you in the face and if you inhale you can lose consciousness real quick.

I was a "bad boy" and I got a lot of tinder matches throughout which I have some 20 years old very beautiful girls. I know for sure they want money for service but I don't know if they are willing to risk to drug me. I was wondering how do you gentlemen, with much more knowledge than me, tackle this situation when in Colombia. Do you plan on meeting other people from this forum? I know that in 2 the chances of being drugged decrease dramatically. Do you stay away from tinder like apps and only go for the streets? How do you do this? The Indian guys aren't getting drugged and robbed?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you are going there just to fuck chicas for money, then do just that.

There is no need to be taking out a working girl for dinks and food when all you are there for is sex.

There is no need to bring her back to your place and be dinking when all you are there for is sex.

The majority of these guys fuck up because they try to turn a working girl into girlfriend or they get too comfortable around a girl who is only there for the money.

The majority of these guys getting drugged are trying to party with a girl or girls that just wants to get money and go home.

No girl on Tinder is there for a relationship especially if you look at their photos and see that they are in hotels and AirBBs.

I did the norm. Tinder, Clubs, Clocktower, Playa Hollywood, the streets. My best fucks were Venezuelans from Tinder. Young and not too experienced with the bullshit gringo pricing. $100 a day and I get 4 leches.

High probability that the Indians guys are getting drugged and robbed or extorted but since they travel in large groups they probably keeping it hush hush so that their boys don't clown them for the next few months.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3017153]High probability that the Indians guys are getting drugged and robbed or extorted but since they travel in large groups they probably keeping it hush hush so that their boys don't clown them for the next few months.[/QUOTE]It seems you do not know them very well!

[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1363170-indian-tourist-robbed-by-two-transgender-women-in-pattaya-hotel-room/[/URL]

[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1367121-boob-dispute-indian-tourists-call-cops-on-pattaya-bar-girl/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nypher;3017153]If you are going there just to fuck chicas for money, then do just that.

There is no need to be taking out a working girl for dinks and food when all you are there for is sex.

There is no need to bring her back to your place and be dinking when all you are there for is sex.

The majority of these guys fuck up because they try to turn a working girl into girlfriend or they get too comfortable around a girl who is only there for the money.

The majority of these guys getting drugged are trying to party with a girl or girls that just wants to get money and go home.

No girl on Tinder is there for a relationship especially if you look at their photos and see that they are in hotels and AirBBs.

I did the norm. Tinder, Clubs, Clocktower, Playa Hollywood, the streets. My best fucks were Venezuelans from Tinder. Young and not too experienced with the bullshit gringo pricing. $100 a day and I get 4 leches.

High probability that the Indians guys are getting drugged and robbed or extorted but since they travel in large groups they probably keeping it hush hush so that their boys don't clown them for the next few months.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the replies. Like always very informative.

I usually don't go there to fuck chicas for money. My usual trips are just "normal" trips where it happens for me, somehow, to have sex with locals. If I can't do it "normally" I then go towards working girls. However, I am not afraid of the working girls since I prefer to clarify the deal upfront and I try to stick to the plan and not go out with them nor hanging out with them. However, when meeting "normal" local girls this becomes dangerous because they don't show signs or at least not signs that are visible to me. This is where my concern comes from.

So far, after 1 week heavy tindering I got 2 working girls that are clear they want money against their time and I got a normal girl which seems to be educated and with whom I ll try and old type "dating" like going out to eat one night and then maybe some other nights going out before inviting her to my place.

Hello Gentlemen,

I have been to Medellin once and enjoyed my 5 day trip a lot. People were very nice, climate was cool. I did the tourist things during the day and went enjoy the paisa girls in the night. I felt very safe and welcomed.

I am traveling to Cartagena for the first time in August. Please help me on:

1. Best places to hangout and pick chicks.

2. Best luxury hotels to stay.

3. Few tourist things that I should not miss.

4. Few top restaurants.

5. Any particular places to avoid. Some say beach is a no no.

If there is already a post / list then please share with me.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=JaySingh1010;3017941]Hello Gentlemen,

I have been to Medellin once and enjoyed my 5 day trip a lot. People were very nice, climate was cool. I did the tourist things during the day and went enjoy the paisa girls in the night. I felt very safe and welcomed.

I am traveling to Cartagena for the first time in August. Please help me on:

1. Best places to hangout and pick chicks.

2. Best luxury hotels to stay.

3. Few tourist things that I should not miss.

4. Few top restaurants.

5. Any particular places to avoid. Some say beach is a no no.

If there is already a post / list then please share with me.

Thank you![/QUOTE]I have covered this so many times. Please RTFF first. Many of us have covered this.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3017514]Thanks for all the replies. Like always very informative.

I usually don't go there to fuck chicas for money. My usual trips are just "normal" trips where it happens for me, somehow, to have sex with locals. If I can't do it "normally" I then go towards working girls. However, I am not afraid of the working girls since I prefer to clarify the deal upfront and I try to stick to the plan and not go out with them nor hanging out with them. However, when meeting "normal" local girls this becomes dangerous because they don't show signs or at least not signs that are visible to me. This is where my concern comes from.

So far, after 1 week heavy tindering I got 2 working girls that are clear they want money against their time and I got a normal girl which seems to be educated and with whom I ll try and old type "dating" like going out to eat one night and then maybe some other nights going out before inviting her to my place.[/QUOTE]If you want to spin the roulette wheel of getting a what is advertised as a normal girl from Tinder and paying her indirectly of "dating" going out to eat a few times and inviting her back to your place you will most likely be met with a shock. Do you know what my Colombian chicas do? They will entertain you, have you spend your money taking them to nice places, dinners, islands so they can get selfies, and then once you mention sex they will tell you that you have to pay them for it. Now you done lost all that money trying to impress her to get free sex and have to pay extra to actually get what you initially wanted.

Or another scenario you get normal tinder chica to come to the apartment, don't want to pay for sex and they will tell you to give them something for their time they spent with you even though no sex. You refuse, and they will threaten to call the cops unless you give them at least 200 mil which is about $50. You still refuse; cops get called now you have to pay the cops and the girl.

Then there are the other scenarios where they make you believe they are a normal girl to let your guard down and you wake up a day later with all your things missing. Or worst case scenario they set you up to get robbed by their boyfriend or gang members.

If you want to play the game and believe Colombia operates like the other places you have visited in the past then by all means go ahead, maybe you are part of that small percentage that will have free sex after paying indirectly but while you aim for the small percentage of a chance I'm giving you the heads up of what happens to the majority.

When it happens, don't pretend like you didn't know.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3017231]It seems you do not know them very well!

[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1363170-indian-tourist-robbed-by-two-transgender-women-in-pattaya-hotel-room/[/URL]

[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1367121-boob-dispute-indian-tourists-call-cops-on-pattaya-bar-girl/[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh Pattaya, or should we call it Little India LOL. They are the new targets especially because women now they are mostly engineers or developers.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3018051]If you want to spin the roulette wheel of getting a what is advertised as a normal girl from Tinder and paying her indirectly of "dating" going out to eat a few times and inviting her back to your place you will most likely be met with a shock. Do you know what my Colombian chicas do? They will entertain you, have you spend your money taking them to nice places, dinners, islands so they can get selfies, and then once you mention sex they will tell you that you have to pay them for it. Now you done lost all that money trying to impress her to get free sex and have to pay extra to actually get what you initially wanted.

Or another scenario you get normal tinder chica to come to the apartment, don't want to pay for sex and they will tell you to give them something for their time they spent with you even though no sex. You refuse, and they will threaten to call the cops unless you give them at least 200 mil which is about $50. You still refuse; cops get called now you have to pay the cops and the girl.

Then there are the other scenarios where they make you believe they are a normal girl to let your guard down and you wake up a day later with all your things missing. Or worst case scenario they set you up to get robbed by their boyfriend or gang members..[/QUOTE]This is what I like about this forum. One gets the brutal truth after asking for it.

This answer was exactly what I was looking for. Even though my intuition tells me otherwise which is that one can find someone that is interested in other stuff more than money (eg they want to leave Colombia or they want a husband or someone to raise their kid etc).

Now, if we were to use logic probably I will be better off just using the common sense that you at Nypher was so clear on, with your post. Thank you for this.

To continue this interesting discussion, I will have a clarifying discussion with the "chica" that I think is the "normal" one. We are messaging daily. After I get a clarification on this matter I will be back here with an update.

[QUOTE=Explorer69;3001800]It is a month ago, but I will report from 10 days in Cartagena. I stayed in an apartment in Laguito,.[/QUOTE]Did you see any street walkers in Laguito? I'm curious because a dozen years ago they used to walk the streets. There was actually an apartment in the Alantis building with a few prepagos who would watch The Marinare, La Playa and Torre Centauro buildings for single gringos.

But my first trip I stayed at Mirador Laguito and used to see street walkers. Most were dogs but there were a few cute ones coming on too. Then after a couple of trips they started dwindling to nothing but about three years ago I was staying at La Playa and a chica hollered over and I ended up taking her upstairs. She told me she lived over in the Manga neighborhood and came over to Laguito once in a while to make money.

I'm just wondering if with all the hassles in the old city of any are turning back up again around that cluster of chica friendly buildings (not to mention that some of the out of towners that come to be working girls also stay in Laguito).

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;3018535]Did you see any street walkers in Laguito? I'm curious because a dozen years ago they used to walk the streets. There was actually an apartment in the Alantis building with a few prepagos who would watch The Marinare, La Playa and Torre Centauro buildings for single gringos.

But my first trip I stayed at Mirador Laguito and used to see street walkers. Most were dogs but there were a few cute ones coming on too. Then after a couple of trips they started dwindling to nothing but about three years ago I was staying at La Playa and a chica hollered over and I ended up taking her upstairs. She told me she lived over in the Manga neighborhood and came over to Laguito once in a while to make money.

I'm just wondering if with all the hassles in the old city of any are turning back up again around that cluster of chica friendly buildings (not to mention that some of the out of towners that come to be working girls also stay in Laguito).[/QUOTE]This may be a little outdated. But I stayed in Laguito for 10 days in April. There were some streetwalkers on and off. Absolutely less than what I have seen earlier years. Most were not interesting, however, a few were definitely good. I didn't take any so I don't know there prices.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;3018535]Did you see any street walkers in Laguito? I'm curious because a dozen years ago they used to walk the streets. There was actually an apartment in the Alantis building with a few prepagos who would watch The Marinare, La Playa and Torre Centauro buildings for single gringos.

But my first trip I stayed at Mirador Laguito and used to see street walkers. Most were dogs but there were a few cute ones coming on too. Then after a couple of trips they started dwindling to nothing but about three years ago I was staying at La Playa and a chica hollered over and I ended up taking her upstairs. She told me she lived over in the Manga neighborhood and came over to Laguito once in a while to make money.

I'm just wondering if with all the hassles in the old city of any are turning back up again around that cluster of chica friendly buildings (not to mention that some of the out of towners that come to be working girls also stay in Laguito).[/QUOTE]To answer your question, yes and no.

No. There are no street walkers per se, but there are chicas leaving from being freshly banged out so you will see them in front of the hotels hanging out for a bit before returning to the clocktower or going home.

Yes. If you go to the entrance of Playa Hollywood by Kiosk #4 at 6 PM, it is the appetizer for the Clock Tower. Basically, the girls come around 5 pm, and when the beach closes at 6 pm mongers scoop them up and back to hotels before they go back out to the clocktower to make more money. Weekends this gets nuts!

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3018085]This is what I like about this forum. One gets the brutal truth after asking for it.

This answer was exactly what I was looking for. Even though my intuition tells me otherwise which is that one can find someone that is interested in other stuff more than money (eg they want to leave Colombia or they want a husband or someone to raise their kid etc).

Now, if we were to use logic probably I will be better off just using the common sense that you at Nypher was so clear on, with your post. Thank you for this.

To continue this interesting discussion, I will have a clarifying discussion with the "chica" that I think is the "normal" one. We are messaging daily. After I get a clarification on this matter I will be back here with an update.[/QUOTE]I talked to the "normal" girl I mentioned before. I asked her directly about something that's been on my mind — I told her that many girls here just ask for money and asked if she thought that was normal. She said that when someone provides a service (whether sex or anything else), it's normal to pay for it with money — common sense, in her view. However, when I asked if she offered such services, she said no, and I believed her. So she's probably a "normal" girl.

Even though things seem good so far, there are some potential downsides to keep in mind:

Compromise 1: She's older than the working girls (29) and has a 4-year-old son. Not a huge issue, but it does mean she needs to be home for him and has to work in the mornings.

Compromise 2: When I asked where she wanted to have dinner, she named three restaurants that are likely in the top five most expensive in all of Cartagena. I'the probably be looking at around 500 k COP (125) for two meals and two drinks — and honestly, I'm not sure there would be any sex afterward. More likely no than yes.

So, moving forward, I have two options:

1) Continue seeing her, pay for the restaurant, and just enjoy the evening, even if I probably won't get laid the first time. From the second date onward, I could tell her I'm on a budget and don't want to always go to expensive places. She might stop being interested sexually after that, but I'the still have the option of going to the working girls after spending around $200 in total.

2) Tell her right away that I'm on a budget and also feeling horny, then see how she reacts. Worst-case scenario, she decides not to meet — in which case I'the just go to the working girls.

I'll be back here with an update once I'm home at the end of August.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3019548]I talked to the "normal" girl I mentioned before. I asked her directly about something that's been on my mind I told her that many girls here just ask for money and asked if she thought that was normal. She said that when someone provides a service (whether sex or anything else), it's normal to pay for it with money common sense, in her view. However, when I asked if she offered such services, she said no, and I believed her. So she's probably a "normal" girl.

Even though things seem good so far, there are some potential downsides to keep in mind:

Compromise 1: She's older than the working girls (29) and has a 4-year-old son. Not a huge issue, but it does mean she needs to be home for him and has to work in the mornings.

Compromise 2: When I asked where she wanted to have dinner, she named three restaurants that are likely in the top five most expensive in all of Cartagena. I'the probably be looking at around 500 k COP (125) for two meals and two drinks and honestly, I'm not sure there would be any sex afterward. More likely no than yes.

So, moving forward, I have two options:

1) Continue seeing her, pay for the restaurant, and just enjoy the evening, even if I probably won't get laid the first time. From the second date onward, I could tell her I'm on a budget and don't want to always go to expensive places. She might stop being interested sexually after that, but I'the still have the option of going to the working girls after spending around $200 in total.

2) Tell her right away that I'm on a budget and also feeling horny, then see how she reacts. Worst-case scenario, she decides not to meet in which case I'the just go to the working girls.

I'll be back here with an update once I'm home at the end of August.[/QUOTE]So you are in Cartagena right now?

What restaurants did she recommend? San Valentin? Andres Cartagena? EL BALUARTE? Mars Antiles, San Sebastiand del Pastelillo, or the new Cafe Del Mar (I forgot the new name but Cafe Del Mar closed and reopened with a new name).

I'm telling you now if any of these were her choices then she's just going there for pictures to post on social media.

Before you go with your options, I would suggest you get post nut clarity. Find a nice attractive young girl from the street and get it out your system for 300 mil tops. Then take a good look at the option of the 29 year old with a 4 year old who you are waiting on to give it to you after spending 500 mil plus on entertaining her. Your time your money. The only way entertaining her doing the dating is if you are getting to hit it twice a day every time you take her out, otherwise you are just her free meal and free entertainment for the day.

Best of luck.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3019548]I talked to the "normal" girl I mentioned before. I asked her directly about something that's been on my mind I told her that many girls here just ask for money and asked if she thought that was normal. She said that when someone provides a service (whether sex or anything else), it's normal to pay for it with money common sense, in her view. However, when I asked if she offered such services, she said no, and I believed her. So she's probably a "normal" girl.

Even though things seem good so far, there are some potential downsides to keep in mind:

Compromise 1: She's older than the working girls (29) and has a 4-year-old son. Not a huge issue, but it does mean she needs to be home for him and has to work in the mornings.

Compromise 2: When I asked where she wanted to have dinner, she named three restaurants that are likely in the top five most expensive in all of Cartagena. I'the probably be looking at around 500 k COP (125) for two meals and two drinks and honestly, I'm not sure there would be any sex afterward. More likely no than yes.

So, moving forward, I have two options:

1) Continue seeing her, pay for the restaurant, and just enjoy the evening, even if I probably won't get laid the first time. From the second date onward, I could tell her I'm on a budget and don't want to always go to expensive places. She might stop being interested sexually after that, but I'the still have the option of going to the working girls after spending around $200 in total.

2) Tell her right away that I'm on a budget and also feeling horny, then see how she reacts. Worst-case scenario, she decides not to meet in which case I'the just go to the working girls.

I'll be back here with an update once I'm home at the end of August.[/QUOTE]Don't overestimate those girls thinking they're bright. This is coming from someone who's dated mostly nonpros in Col. They suggest expensive places by just looking online and in Gmap, and they pick them to impress you knowing you came from the US or a major country. So they just want to appear your equal in a way. Which is why I've learned from more mature mongers not to ask for a restaurant and pick one yourself. You can look at the menu pricings even in Gmap and go from there. Remember Latin A, Carribean, and many diff cultures respect the man to be in control and decision maker.

So they actually respect that even more when you pick and tell them. Also, sometimes I would ask where do you usually hang with your friend? If you had a local BF where would he take you. That way I got an idea and that works sometimes. Like take me where you would go on a Fri. Night with your friends, girlfriends, etc. And they would pick real local spots with cheap beers, etc. I always end up staying completely out of tourist and expensive areas. Or just tell them you don't need to be impressed or spend like your in the US, otherwise you wouldn't come, and you want to live and experience the city like a local. That's it. Don't ever, EVER, EVER discuss your money or budget with a fucking woman, GF, hos or not.

I used to date a lot on Seeking, and a girl suggested once a place in Bogota that was super pricey, and I declined. She then asked if it was too expensive? I replied I can afford it, can you? You must earn that shit first. I just want to grab coffee and regular priced cocktails with you first to get to know you. I'm not trying to impress you. Sometimes I would ask when was the last time you went there? They'd say never, or a year ago on a bday celebration, LOL. I have a sharp tongue and hate golddiggers and try my best not to be rude, but it comes out sometimes and would say shit like, well, I don't know you yet so let's keep it casual, I don't want to be used.

She respected; that, they always do. And I usually fuck them raw the same night. Shit they would themselves ask and ready to go fuck LOL. Women are attracted to dominance bro. Remember local dudes takes them to the cheapest spots and it's why they want foreigners. They know you got money even if you worked at McDonalds in the states your rich to them, in reality too batsed on money conversion. Put your foot down and take control.

These hos aint shit.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3019548]When I asked where she wanted to have dinner, she named three restaurants that are likely in the top five most expensive in all of Cartagena.
So, moving forward, I have two options:

1) Continue seeing her, pay for the restaurant, and just enjoy the evening, even if I probably won't get laid the first time. From the second date onward, I could tell her I'm on a budget and don't want to always go to expensive places.

2) Tell her right away that I'm on a budget and also feeling horny, [/QUOTE]How are you only seeing 2 options? All of the Colombians I know are ecstatic about me even taking them to Frisby or KFC to eat. You put the ball in the chick's court asking her where she wanted to go, then you have a problem with it? You could have just invited her for ice cream or anything. There is no need to tell her you are horny. Just tell her you looked at the menu online and that is too expensive for a first date. Maybe if you were getting married or on anniversary, but not just getting to know someone.

My biggest problem with dating normal chicks in Colombia is that they constantly bug me about when I am coming back. I am like bich I just left 2 hours ago. Then the next day same question. I literally have to tell them to stop asking. When I am on the way back you will be the first to know. Asking everyday is not going to make me come back any quicker.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3019722]So you are in Cartagena right now?

What restaurants did she recommend? San Valentin? Andres Cartagena? EL BALUARTE? Mars Antiles, San Sebastiand del Pastelillo, or the new Cafe Del Mar (I forgot the new name but Cafe Del Mar closed and reopened with a new name).

I'm telling you now if any of these were her choices then she's just going there for pictures to post on social media.

Before you go with your options, I would suggest you get post nut clarity. Find a nice attractive young girl from the street and get it out your system for 300 mil tops. Then take a good look at the option of the 29 year old with a 4 year old who you are waiting on to give it to you after spending 500 mil plus on entertaining her. Your time your money. The only way entertaining her doing the dating is if you are getting to hit it twice a day every time you take her out, otherwise you are just her free meal and free entertainment for the day.

Best of luck.[/QUOTE]She recommended three places: Cusco Peruvian Cuisine, Club de Pesca, and Mabare. She mentioned that she ate at Cusco two years ago. At all three places, a plato fuerte (main dish) costs around 100,000 COP. She also said she enjoys eating—especially seafood.

In the meantime, I thought it over (I'll be in Cartagena in a few days) and told her I don't think it's appropriate to spend a lot of money on just one meal. I explained that we could disfrutar (enjoy) more with the same amount of money if we went to a more affordable place for both food and drinks. She said "OK" (not that she had much of a choice). For now, I've ruled out the expensive options, and when I arrive, we'll go to a regular place for food and drinks.

I don't have much time to get the "clarity" you mentioned (the 300 k kind) since I'll only have 4–5 hours between landing and meeting her—but hopefully, I'll get plenty of it. I also have two very attractive Tinder matches with whom I haven't discussed money yet.

On the other hand, I genuinely enjoy having company for food, drinks, and strolling around the old town, so I don't see it as a waste. Of course, I'the love for the night to end with muchas leches, but I can still have a good time with just drinks and company. That said, you might be right—I could end up just being a "free meal" and entertainment for her. But it won't last if she doesn't give me what I want. I see this as the safe choice for now.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;3019785]Don't overestimate those girls thinking they're bright. This is coming from someone who's dated mostly nonpros in Col. They suggest expensive places by just looking online and in Gmap, and they pick them to impress you knowing you came from the US or a major country. So they just want to appear your equal in a way. Which is why I've learned from more mature mongers not to ask for a restaurant and pick one yourself. You can look at the menu pricings even in Gmap and go from there. Remember Latin A, Carribean, and many diff cultures respect the man to be in control and decision maker.

So they actually respect that even more when you pick and tell them. Also, sometimes I would ask where do you usually hang with your friend? If you had a local BF where would he take you. That way I got an idea and that works sometimes. Like take me where you would go on a Fri. Night with your friends, girlfriends, etc. And they would pick real local spots with cheap beers, etc. I always end up staying completely out of tourist and expensive areas. Or just tell them you don't need to be impressed or spend like your in the US, otherwise you wouldn't come, and you want to live and experience the city like a local. That's it. Don't ever, EVER, EVER discuss your money or budget with a fucking woman, GF, hos or not.

I used to date a lot on Seeking, and a girl suggested once a place in Bogota that was super pricey, and I declined. She then asked if it was too expensive? I replied I can afford it, can you? You must earn that shit first. I just want to grab coffee and regular priced cocktails with you first to get to know you. I'm not trying to impress you. Sometimes I would ask when was the last time you went there? They'd say never, or a year ago on a bday celebration, LOL. I have a sharp tongue and hate golddiggers and try my best not to be rude, but it comes out sometimes and would say shit like, well, I don't know you yet so let's keep it casual, I don't want to be used.

She respected; that, they always do. And I usually fuck them raw the same night. Shit they would themselves ask and ready to go fuck LOL. Women are attracted to dominance bro. Remember local dudes takes them to the cheapest spots and it's why they want foreigners. They know you got money even if you worked at McDonalds in the states your rich to them, in reality too batsed on money conversion. Put your foot down and take control.

These hos aint shit.[/QUOTE]Personally, I don't believe in dominance in the traditional sense. The only type I truly recognize is financial, and I think women often see this more clearly than men do. For men, there's also the idea of physical dominance, which can sometimes blur our perspective. But financial dominance fades if you don't spend. Since the money is in our hands, they have to respect our choices. Still, I don't like playing that gameI don't take satisfaction in "winning" because of money. I want to believe I can succeed without relying on it. Maybe that's nave, but it's how I feel. In the end, when lines are drawn, the one with greater resources usually prevails.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3019829]How are you only seeing 2 options? All of the Colombians I know are ecstatic about me even taking them to Frisby or KFC to eat. You put the ball in the chick's court asking her where she wanted to go, then you have a problem with it? You could have just invited her for ice cream or anything. There is no need to tell her you are horny. Just tell her you looked at the menu online and that is too expensive for a first date. Maybe if you were getting married or on anniversary, but not just getting to know someone.

My biggest problem with dating normal chicks in Colombia is that they constantly bug me about when I am coming back. I am like bich I just left 2 hours ago. Then the next day same question. I literally have to tell them to stop asking. When I am on the way back you will be the first to know. Asking everyday is not going to make me come back any quicker. [/QUOTE]I get the sense she's not a typical Colombian girl. She speaks in a way that suggests she's more educated than average. She has her own apartment, a regular office job, and drives her car to work and back. Because of these factors, I see her as being above the majority of girls who might live in a barrio and be content with any meal in any restaurant. We'll probably stay in touch after I leave, and she'll likely be the one pushing more for us to meet again.

Thank you all for the answers!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3019829]All of the Colombians I know are ecstatic about me even taking them to Frisby or KFC to eat.[/QUOTE]Thats because Frisby and KFC are quite expensive in Colombia. Almost as much as Churasco.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3019930] I see her as being above the majority of girls who might live in a barrio and be content with any meal in any restaurant. We'll probably stay in touch after I leave, and she'll likely be the one pushing more for us to meet again.

Thank you all for the answers![/QUOTE]Do your self a favor and take this chica to Crepes & Waffles. It is the Goldilocks of the Colombia restaurant scene. Not to expensive and not to cheap. Look at the menu online. There dinner and dessert crepes are delicious. It is a restaurant chain that is a Colombian treasure that has spread to Mexico, Peru, Brazil, and Spain, there are three in Cartagena, I have been to two, one in the old city one block north of Santuario de San Pedro Claver and the other is in Bocagrande on Carrera 2 and Calle 9. Across calle 9 from McDonalds. If this is a normal chica and not a prepago you can throw her the line that you like the ideal of Crepes & Waffles only hiring single mothers and you like to give them your support.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;3021005] you can throw her the line that you like the ideal of Crepes & Waffles only hiring single mothers and you like to give them your support.[/QUOTE]The bosses hire all these single mothers and slam them in the back rooms and get daily blow jobs. I have heard them brag! And often have a 3-some with these sluts. The get a little extra pay each week for fucking the boss. Women cannot sue for sexual harassment in Colombia.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3021995]The bosses hire all these single mothers and slam them in the back rooms and get daily blow jobs. I have heard them brag! And often have a 3-some with these sluts. The get a little extra pay each week for fucking the boss. Women cannot sue for sexual harassment in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Once again y8 ou lost your fking mind HH!

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3019928]She recommended three places: Cusco Peruvian Cuisine, Club de Pesca, and Mabare. She mentioned that she ate at Cusco two years ago. At all three places, a plato fuerte (main dish) costs around 100,000 COP. She also said she enjoys eatingespecially seafood.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I met one like that. You are just a meal ticket to her. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3019928]I also have two very attractive Tinder matches with whom I haven't discussed money yet.

On the other hand, I genuinely enjoy having company for food, drinks, and strolling around the old town, so I don't see it as a waste. Of course, I'the love for the night to end with muchas leches, but I can still have a good time with just drinks and company. That said, you might be rightI could end up just being a "free meal" and entertainment for her. But it won't last if she doesn't give me what I want. I see this as the safe choice for now.[/QUOTE]Yeah, well, try not to discuss money with the other two. You want to spend time with someone who enjoys your company not your wallet. If a girl is into you, you can take her anywhere, and she will be happy.

Hello all,

First time visiting Colombia! I have been to many other South America countries but I'm finally decided to make this trip.

I'm looking for the locations to find the best street girls. I have been on a few apps and set up some private dates already but the thrill of street girls will always be my vice.

Looking for the best locations to find them and also hotels recommendations that allow visitors.

All information for a first time visitor would be great. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;3022134]Hello all,

First time visiting Colombia! I have been to many other South America countries but I'm finally decided to make this trip.

I'm looking for the locations to find the best street girls. I have been on a few apps and set up some private dates already but the thrill of street girls will always be my vice.

Looking for the best locations to find them and also hotels recommendations that allow visitors.

All information for a first time visitor would be great. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]All the information you need right here.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=3018038&viewfull=1#post3018038[/URL]

[QUOTE=CkNice11;2996325]This is exactly why cartagena got took off my list as soon youtubers blew it up. It's only a matter of time before prices get ridiculous anytime passport bros or Americans in general learn about a "new spot" it's such a silly American mentality. It's like going to a used car dealership knowing the car cost $5000 but you pay 10 because you got it like that and not broke LOL. I probably never go to sosua and cartagena again. Fellas my advice is to find you a spot off the beaten. Path that Americans don't go to and enjoy that spot and keep your mouth shut. I love going to places where idiots like this won't come and ruin it for me. You got guys in cartagena paying chick's hundreds of dollars to come hang out with them on a boat and if they want to smash that's another couple hundred LOL. But yall enjoy though cartagena and sosua will never see me again as long as dudes like this are there.[/QUOTE]It's okay to admit you're old and broke mate. It's not my fault you can't afford it even in a 3rd world country.

[QUOTE=DidierD;3023260]It's okay to admit you're old and broke mate. It's not my fault you can't afford it even in a 3rd world country.[/QUOTE]Dude, you've kinda made his point. There ain't nothing upscale about Cartegena to justify high pricing. Most of it is a shitty, run-down, trash-strown city that stinks of sewage and is full of dodgy characters. If peeps think that's exotic and worth the buck then more power to the girls, I guess, but I'll stick to Bogotá when I'm in Colombia.

Tinder Experience with the good girl.

I met one girl through Tinder. We only went out once for a dinner ( 200 k COP for both). After that, she became distant, saying she was busy. Basically, Tinder didn't work well for me — the effort on WhatsApp wasn't worth the single dinner.

In general, I believe Tinder is not a good tool in Cartagena. Many women ask for money for transportation, nails, or hair before even meeting, and profile authenticity is questionable.

Street Scene & Prices.

Cartagena's streets, especially at night, are filled with women offering sex — I'the estimate around 50–70 each night.

Prices I encountered:

Lowest: 200 k COP.

Highest: 400 k COP (usually women with implants charging more to recover surgery costs).

Because I'm tall and Caucasian, many assumed I had more money, so negotiation was always important — either for a lower price or more time / rounds for the same price.

Most street girls were Venezuelan, though some Colombians were around (I personally found them less attractive).

Safety.

The historic center and Getsemaní felt safe and enjoyable.

However, outside tourist areas can be risky. For example:

I walked from the center towards "el covento de la popa" and from Avenida Pedro de Heredia I took a mototaxi up to "El Convento de la Popa. ".

On the hill, the driver tried to set me up for a robbery (told me to get off, his friend was coming).

Luckily, two other motos appeared, I stopped them, explained, and they escorted me back to the main road (Avenida Pedro de Heredia).

Advice: Don't explore barrios alone, even during the day, if you clearly look foreign.

Other Encounters.

Through locals: I met some guys in the historic center. After a couple of days, one brought me a 19-year-old from Blas de Lezo. Cost was 150 k (probably split 100 k for her, 50 k for him). I also paid 50 k transport and gave him a 50 k "gift. " This felt like a much better "value" — more like a regular Colombian girl, not the typical street worker.

Boat Tour: On a night-lights bay tour, I met a group of 9 women from Bogotá. Great vibes — we danced, "perreó," and had fun at the club, but they left early, so nothing further happened.

Ecuadorians: I met two ladies from Ecuador (one very attractive), but they were leaving on a flight just three hours later, so we couldn't continue.

"Normal" girl attempt: I tried asking out a waitress, but she wasn't interested in dating strangers. I asked twice on different days — both times she said no.

Accommodation.

Best place I stayed: Soy Local Centro Histórico.

Pros: safebox in the room, staff always check IDs at reception, and you must escort the girl back to collect her ID (adds security).

No extra "guest fee. ".

Location is perfect — right in the middle of the action, so easy to meet someone and be back in 2 minutes.

Overall.

Total: I met 8 girls during my stay.

Highlight: a beautiful Venezuelan I spent more time with, including 2 nights together.

Tinder: not worth it.

Streets / direct contact: best chance to meet women.

Safety: stick to central / tourist zones, avoid exploring alone in barrios.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;3023437]Dude, you've kinda made his point. There ain't nothing upscale about Cartegena to justify high pricing. Most of it is a shitty, run-down, trash-strown city that stinks of sewage and is full of dodgy characters. If peeps think that's exotic and worth the buck then more power to the girls, I guess, but I'll stick to Bogot when I'm in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Not only that, it's hotter than hell unless you are there in January, the AC normally does not work in half the air bnbs, and the girls think their pussy is gold $$$ when they see a gringo! And the men working reception desk tell you "it's not your country" and are jealous when you try to check in cedulas of their neighborhood Colombianas. And vendors line up on the sidewalk bothering you. If you talk to one, 5 others will line up to sell you something you do not want and tell you, "It's my job!

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3023690]Tinder Experience with the good girl.

I met one girl through Tinder. We only went out once for a dinner ( 200 k COP for both). After that, she became distant, saying she was busy. Basically, Tinder didn't work well for me the effort on WhatsApp wasn't worth the single dinner.[/QUOTE]Was that the 29 year old with the 4 year old? Weren't you warned by several people?

We all know never go to the barrios unless you really know that person. It took me 2 years of knowing a person to go to her barrio outside of Cartagena. Dirt roads, wooden houses, no street lights, etc.

Be careful about local bringing you young girls because they can set you up, that girl could be a minor with a fake ID.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3023850]Was that the 29 year old with the 4 year old? Weren't you warned by several people?

We all know never go to the barrios unless you really know that person. It took me 2 years of knowing a person to go to her barrio outside of Cartagena. Dirt roads, wooden houses, no street lights, etc.

Be careful about local bringing you young girls because they can set you up, that girl could be a minor with a fake ID.[/QUOTE]Exactly. She was the 29 years old with the 4 years old boy. I was expecting this to happen. I said I was going to give it a try and indeed it lead to what people here have said. In the end we only saw each other once and that was it. I paid for the dinner 200 k. She sometimes still messages me.

About the fake ID's, I believe this can happen even with the girls from the street in the center. Anytime this can happen. Nobody is at shelter from this type of scam.

I believe there are plenty of opportunities with "normal" chicas but one has to stay longer than several days.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3023850]We all know never go to the barrios unless you really know that person. It took me 2 years of knowing a person to go to her barrio outside of Cartagena. Dirt roads, wooden houses, no street lights, etc.[/QUOTE]I have said before that seeing how those chicks live will open your eyes. Before: you are the most beautiful woman in the world; sure here is $200 to fuck. After: no way I am giving your hood rat ass $200 to fuck. You better take this $20 that I am offering or get the fuck on. I doubt if anyone would pay a chick that they knew were living in those conditions back home an exorbitant amount to fuck.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3023868]Exactly. She was the 29 years old with the 4 years old boy. I was expecting this to happen. I said I was going to give it a try and indeed it lead to what people here have said. In the end we only saw each other once and that was it. I paid for the dinner 200 k. She sometimes still messages me.

About the fake ID's, I believe this can happen even with the girls from the street in the center. Anytime this can happen. Nobody is at shelter from this type of scam.

I believe there are plenty of opportunities with "normal" chicas but one has to stay longer than several days.[/QUOTE]JAJAJA we tried to warn you, free food and entertainment. What she's now doing is trying to keep you in orbit to keep you interested because the holidays are coming up. Just wait for it, soon she will send you a message either asking for help because of some out of this world emergency, or she will start dry begging where she will start telling you her problems and expect you as a man to want to step up and resolve the problems for her. Trust me on this. When this happen, just give her the same energy she gave you, tell her your busy, or you also have an emergency.

The fake IDs with chicas on the street are less of a chance at night, but during the day it can happen. During the day the police are at the beach and will grab a gringo they see talking to a minor and at night they are walking around randomly checking IDs to keep the minors off the street.

Yes, you can have a "normal" girl if you stay longer but most of us don't stay that long and have more money than time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3023879]I have said before that seeing how those chicks live will open your eyes. Before: you are the most beautiful woman in the world; sure here is $200 to fuck. After: no way I am giving your hood rat ass $200 to fuck. You better take this $20 that I am offering or get the fuck on. I doubt if anyone would pay a chick that they knew were living in those conditions back home an exorbitant amount to fuck.[/QUOTE]Yea it gets crazy with the wood houses and outdoor showers. It makes me think that this girl walking around with iPhone Pro Max, fake tits and fake ass but lives in a wood house made out of pallet wood. They asking for the most but living in the worst conditions.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3023868]I believe there are plenty of opportunities with "normal" chicas but one has to stay longer than several days.[/QUOTE]Not at all. Really all I deal with are normal chicks in Colombia for the past 20 years and never stay more than a few days. From my perspective I will say one only has to speak Spanish and have a personality. And even when I first started going and did not speak Spanish, I had no problem. The first time I went to Colombia was to meet a lawyer chick. She rode the bus 14 hours from Cucuta to Bogota. She did not speak English and I did not speak Spanish. But I did speak Portuguese.

I do not do any wining and dining and will even at times cuss a broad out. And when I am in the mood to wine and dine, the chicks I meet have no idea where to go anyway. That is why they are always happy for Frisby or KFC. Their daily diet is rice, beans, and, eggs from home. So a little fast food and attention will put you in there every time. You would be surprised at the amount of folks that have never even eaten at the simplest hamburger joint.

You also have to remember that they have shit to do. So all staying longer than several days is going to get you is a bunch of waiting around. They have jobs, school, and kids to attend to. What will you be doing at those times? Besides, a chick already knows if she wants to fuck you when she meets you. You staying longer is doing nothing. Chicks always tell me to tell them ahead of time of they can make arrangements for whatever, but if I do that then they will hog all of my time and I will not have any to see other chicks while I am there. My system works like a well-oiled machine.

They got it that good?

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;3021995]The bosses hire all these single mothers and slam them in the back rooms and get daily blow jobs. I have heard them brag! And often have a 3-some with these sluts. The get a little extra pay each week for fucking the boss. Women cannot sue for sexual harassment in Colombia.[/QUOTE]

Finally managed to visit Cartagena and would like to share my experiences to hopefully help other newbies with some of the logistics. Yes the customs line at arrivals was extremely long, 2-1/2 hours to be exact and it seemed to get worse for the flights that landed after mine. They only had 3 officers working the non Colombian citizen line. After that Uber was pretty fast and I was on my way into town within 5 minutes of clearing customs. I stayed at the Oz in Bocagrande and I can confirm it is chica friendly, they make a copy of the girl's ID and have you sign the copy before she comes in. When she leaves they call your room to make sure everything is cool before they let her out. Its clean and has very basic lodging, I got a standard room and its small and had no windows but the 6th floor terrace is available 24 hours and you can bring your drinks and hang out up there. Across the street is a 24 hour cafe if you need late night beers or food.

It's about a 8-10 minute walk to Hollywood Beach and be prepared for the onslaught of vendors, after you say no enough times they start to kind of leave you alone. There is a kiosk called Caliwood and as long as you're buying drinks or food from them you can use the chairs under the blue umbrellas for free. If you want to be closer to the water then you can rent from one of the many people offering them. The bathrooms cost 2000 Colombian pesos to use which is around 51 cents. Friday and Saturday the girls showed up around 4, got changed into swimwear and started to walk around. Unlike Mabs in Rio or the Cocal in Jaco I found most of the girls in Cartagena to be very unaggressive, even if you made eye contact they would keep walking unless you waved them over and asked them to stop and talk to you. The beach closes at 6 so you collect the numbers within that 2 hour window and you will see a lot of the same girls later in the evening in the walled city. For cash I always used a Bancolombia ATM and I used the one near the hotel twice and the one in the walled city once and had no issues.

The walled city has chicas walking around, I never got there before midnight so I don't know what time they start but things were always in full swing when I arrived. The 2 clubs that I know to have chicas were Pretexto and Santa Cattleya, maybe there are others but these were the 2 I visited. I didn't go to Androgeno because it's kind of far. Santa Cattleya to me had the better selection and you can also get a beer and just chill in the plaza or walk around and you are going to see them. A few tried to hit me with a high price but after politely declining and telling them it was too high for me the price would decrease if she got no takers. I paid on average 350000 ($90) and I did one overnight for 700000 ($178) with a girl from Santa Cattleya. I might have overpaid because the girls on mileroticos were cheaper but one guy I met at the hotel told me he got a bait and switch and being that I only had 3 nights I preferred to take someone I had seen and interviewed in person. Tinder got a lot of hits but I didn't get a chance to link up because I always found what I was looking for in the walled city and next time that's probably where ill stay because I like being in the middle of the action.

When in the old city looking to score your girl, do you guys prefer to stroll along certain streets or do you prefer to just stay in one spot to watch and wait for the right one to walk by?

[QUOTE=MemdeSa;3025767]Finally managed to visit Cartagena and would like to share my experiences to hopefully help other newbies with some of the logistics. Yes the customs line at arrivals was extremely long, 2-1/2 hours to be exact and it seemed to get worse for the flights that landed after mine. They only had 3 officers working the non Colombian citizen line. After that Uber was pretty fast and I was on my way into town within 5 minutes of clearing customs. I stayed at the Oz in Bocagrande and I can confirm it is chica friendly, they make a copy of the girl's ID and have you sign the copy before she comes in. When she leaves they call your room to make sure everything is cool before they let her out. Its clean and has very basic lodging, I got a standard room and its small and had no windows but the 6th floor terrace is available 24 hours and you can bring your drinks and hang out up there. Across the street is a 24 hour cafe if you need late night beers or food.

It's about a 8-10 minute walk to Hollywood Beach and be prepared for the onslaught of vendors, after you say no enough times they start to kind of leave you alone. There is a kiosk called Caliwood and as long as you're buying drinks or food from them you can use the chairs under the blue umbrellas for free. If you want to be closer to the water then you can rent from one of the many people offering them. The bathrooms cost 2000 Colombian pesos to use which is around 51 cents. Friday and Saturday the girls showed up around 4, got changed into swimwear and started to walk around. Unlike Mabs in Rio or the Cocal in Jaco I found most of the girls in Cartagena to be very unaggressive, even if you made eye contact they would keep walking unless you waved them over and asked them to stop and talk to you. The beach closes at 6 so you collect the numbers within that 2 hour window and you will see a lot of the same girls later in the evening in the walled city. For cash I always used a Bancolombia ATM and I used the one near the hotel twice and the one in the walled city once and had no issues..[/QUOTE]First I cannot but help but laugh that you stayed in a closet JAJAJA. How much did that cost you per night? And you never said if they charge you per chica or limit you on how many you can bring in per day.

Pretexto is the same as Space but that place is too damn small for all them big belly's trying to move around.

Santa Cattleya is the new Dolce but it is all the way over there on an abandoned street and yes you overpaid.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3025771]When in the old city looking to score your girl, do you guys prefer to stroll along certain streets or do you prefer to just stay in one spot to watch and wait for the right one to walk by?[/QUOTE]Why does this matter? What are you trying to achieve?

I can tell you now that standing in 1 spot will only show you the same girls and walking around will make it obvious what you are doing.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3025814]Why does this matter? What are you trying to achieve?

I can tell you now that standing in 1 spot will only show you the same girls and walking around will make it obvious what you are doing.[/QUOTE]I just want to see the best selection that's all. 80% of them are too large for me so I want to see the best choices for me. Unlike Parque Lleras in MDE where everything is pretty well in one central spot, the old city seems more spread out.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3025812]First I cannot but help but laugh that you stayed in a closet JAJAJA. How much did that cost you per night? And you never said if they charge you per chica or limit you on how many you can bring in per day.

Pretexto is the same as Space but that place is too damn small for all them big belly's trying to move around.

Santa Cattleya is the new Dolce but it is all the way over there on an abandoned street and yes you overpaid.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure if you wanted to know how much I paid for the hotel you can look it up on Orbitz. I'm just sharing MY experience and if I overpaid that's on me. I don't come on here to criticize I come here to share.

[QUOTE=MemdeSa;3025927]I'm pretty sure if you wanted to know how much I paid for the hotel you can look it up on Orbitz. I'm just sharing MY experience and if I overpaid that's on me. I don't come on here to criticize I come here to share.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure it would have taken you less time to type "I paid X per night and yes / no they did not charge per guest or yes / no there was a daily limit".

If you want to take it as negative criticism, then by all means do so but don't call it "sharing" if someone asks you about certain things about what you posted and instead of giving a straightforward answer your response is to "you can look it up on Orbitz" like Orbitz is going to tell us if Oz charged you a fee per guest or was there a limit on guests per day as the hotel rules change all the time and what wasn't policy last week can be changed the next week. For example, the place I usually stay at in El Laguito was always free visitors, then in March they changed to 10 mil per wrist band for visitors if they entered before 8 pm, then 2 months later months they changed it to 60 mill per guest no matter what time they enter. So, a little up to date information on Oz policy would be helpful and considered sharing.

And about you overpaying, that's directly from your own post so don't get offended when someone confirms your own statement "I might have overpaid because the girls on mileroticos were cheaper".

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3025919]I just want to see the best selection that's all. 80% of them are too large for me so I want to see the best choices for me. Unlike Parque Lleras in MDE where everything is pretty well in one central spot, the old city seems more spread out.[/QUOTE]OK, the closest suggestion I can give to something like Parque Lleras post up and watch will be Playa Hollywood at 5 pm or Clocktower after 10 pm. The problem is that at night the cops will make you keep moving, you cannot stand around. Another place you can stand, and watch is by the restaurant San Valintine, but that will not show you everything so you will end up walking in a circle just like the chicas. The best way is to walk in the opposite direction they are walking so you see them faster.

As for your non large preference then that's going to take time as many of the good ones are on the apps and don't walk the street, thee ones that walk the street are the ones who cannot get a good repeat customer base on the apps.

Avoid Halloween and Christmas for mongering as the crime is starting to uptick.

[QUOTE=Nypher;3026016]The problem is that at night the cops will make you keep moving, you cannot stand around. [/QUOTE]The cops make even us tourists move -- tourists are not allowed to stand and just take in the surroundings? Wow!

Hi, I will be visiting Cartagena for the first time next month but have visit Medellin many times so not new.

Forgive me as I'm sure this have been ask many times but I could not find it going through many pages.

Are they casa in Cartagena like in Medellin. (New life, Sexy amigas, etc.)

Or anything similar to it? If so can you share it? DMs is good too.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3026945]The cops make even us tourists move -- tourists are not allowed to stand and just take in the surroundings? Wow![/QUOTE]Yes, the ones wearing green will start blowing the whistle and tell you to keep moving, no standing around. But they only do this where the clubs use to be which is by the KFC and Delirium. Even though the clubs are gone people still gather there because old habits are hard to get rid of. Last night I walking by the bakery and saw it was closed, asked a few of my chicas and they told me it was closed for a while. They are really trying to push the girls out of the center. The girls are now in Pretexto which is like Space, to wide of a mixture between old, fat, young, plastic, etc.

I've visited Colombia several times (Mexico as well), but will be visiting Cartagena for the first time soon. Where can I get the cheapest prices for working girls, and how much should I expect to pay? Any specific streets or areas would be helpful, even if it's a more dodgy area. I can blend in well enough / handle myself and speak a decent amount of spanish.

[QUOTE=JamesDoe;3031358]I've visited Colombia several times (Mexico as well), but will be visiting Cartagena for the first time soon. Where can I get the cheapest prices for working girls, and how much should I expect to pay? Any specific streets or areas would be helpful, even if it's a more dodgy area. I can blend in well enough / handle myself and speak a decent amount of spanish.[/QUOTE]You picked the most expensive place in all of Colombia to monger.

You see this is the way reviews should be left. Concise, relevant details, comparisons to other places many of us mongers have been, conversion to $'s, suggestions / recommendations.

Wish others would follow this template.

You did it all my man.

Kudos!

[QUOTE=MemdeSa;3025767]Finally managed to visit Cartagena and would like to share my experiences to hopefully help other newbies with some of the logistics. Yes the customs line at arrivals was extremely long, 2-1/2 hours to be exact and it seemed to get worse for the flights that landed after mine. They only had 3 officers working the non Colombian citizen line. After that Uber was pretty fast and I was on my way into town within 5 minutes of clearing customs. I stayed at the Oz in Bocagrande and I can confirm it is chica friendly, they make a copy of the girl's ID and have you sign the copy before she comes in. When she leaves they call your room to make sure everything is cool before they let her out. Its clean and has very basic lodging, I got a standard room and its small and had no windows but the 6th floor terrace is available 24 hours and you can bring your drinks and hang out up there. Across the street is a 24 hour cafe if you need late night beers or food..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JamesDoe;3031358]I've visited Colombia several times (Mexico as well), but will be visiting Cartagena for the first time soon. Where can I get the cheapest prices for working girls, and how much should I expect to pay? Any specific streets or areas would be helpful, even if it's a more dodgy area. I can blend in well enough / handle myself and speak a decent amount of spanish.[/QUOTE]Bomba El Amparo area has local prices. You should account for transportation costs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3023879]I have said before that seeing how those chicks live will open your eyes. Before: you are the most beautiful woman in the world; sure here is $200 to fuck. After: no way I am giving your hood rat ass $200 to fuck. You better take this $20 that I am offering or get the fuck on. I doubt if anyone would pay a chick that they knew were living in those conditions back home an exorbitant amount to fuck.[/QUOTE]This shit had me choking on my whiskey, I spat that shit all over my keyboard laughing my ass off. Bottom line is all them chicas are conditioned to milk you dry financially, puta or so called normal girl. The normal girls will cost you more and the entire family will be coaching her on what to get you to pay for. If you are in town for a week or so, you don't have time for normal girls, just pay the puta for her services and send her on her way.

[QUOTE=TrippyMonger;2993226]Thanks for the 2025 update, I'm heading down to Cartagena for the first time at the beginning of May, and even though I've done extensive research and watched dozens of Youtube videos including nighttime walking videos (the girls are everywhere still) I'm glad to know accurately from boots on the ground. I'm staying at the Oz Hotel myself with a friend. It's good to know the prices are between 300-600 k range, even though anything 500-600 k is too Gringo priced for my blood. I'm a stubborn monger so keeping the girls cheap is a priority -- baddie or no baddie. It's Colombia, not Vegas.

Anyway, I agree with not mongering every day all day. That's why I chose a hotel by the beach, enjoying the weather and relaxation after a wild night. Some days you just need to let the boys rest and recharge. I'll definitely have to check out the club you mentioned. If anyone is going to be down there 1st of May and wants to link up for drinks, strip club hopping, other bullshit, let me know. Going to be staying 9 nights.[/QUOTE]I am also considering a visit to Cartagena for 8-9 days in early Dec. It would be my first, but I am no stranger to the scene having had 2-4 visits per year in Medellin since 2009, San Jose (5-6 years), Thailand (5-6 years) and The Philippines (another 5-6 years). My research also suggests the Oz, but am considering staying in the walled city instead. How did you like the Oz? I am currently asking questions of the hotels in the walled city about visitors as I will likely work from Mieroticos or Photoprepagos. This is just not a mongering trip for me either as I plan to take in the historical sites and some beach time while letting the boys rest in-between, as you so eloquently described. What were your thoughts about staying out in Bocagrande vs The Old City? Sounds like walking around the old city at night for dinner and drinks is a fun thing to do. My nites are generally free as daytime dates are far better for me! LOL.

I am going to travel with a colombian girl I met in seeking to Cartagena soon and her fantasy is to have sex in the beach. Is there any hotel you would recommend where this is feasible? Or have any of you done it before? (I know fucking in the sand is uncomfortable but it would be a first for her so I am up for it).

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;3032963]I am going to travel with a colombian girl I met in seeking to Cartagena soon and her fantasy is to have sex in the beach. Is there any hotel you would recommend where this is feasible? Or have any of you done it before? (I know fucking in the sand is uncomfortable but it would be a first for her so I am up for it).[/QUOTE]Well you most certainly will not be doing it in Colombia. The beaches close at 6 pm.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3032971]Well you most certainly will not be doing it in Colombia. The beaches close at 6 pm.[/QUOTE]You can get sex at beach at a bar!

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;3032963]I am going to travel with a colombian girl I met in seeking to Cartagena soon and her fantasy is to have sex in the beach. Is there any hotel you would recommend where this is feasible? Or have any of you done it before? (I know fucking in the sand is uncomfortable but it would be a first for her so I am up for it).[/QUOTE]While in Cartagena you can buy a package to Rosario Islands to a hotel of your choice (then explore options at beach club, canopy or rent a boat etc. Some hotels have private beaches, so it's possible.

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[QUOTE=Aureliano16;3032963]I am going to travel with a colombian girl I met in seeking to Cartagena soon and her fantasy is to have sex in the beach. Is there any hotel you would recommend where this is feasible? Or have any of you done it before? (I know fucking in the sand is uncomfortable but it would be a first for her so I am up for it).[/QUOTE]Isla Palma. Get a room, stay the night.

Your welcome.

I'm in Cartagena and keeping a low profile. I'm having a great time, with the exception that I'm not dancing as much as I hoped. Anyway, just wanted to relay Monday night / Tuesday morning. It was 3:30 AM and I was hanging out at the Pegasus statue waiting for an Uber and a younger chica walks over to where and she was complaining about Tinder and Hinge and how she met a guy and they hung out all evening and then he left her "drunk with no money". She said I was going home alone, so obviously I wasn't looking for a chica, but would I consider taking her home with me, so she can get money for food and not waste her evening. I started looking around for cameras and shit, because this simply doesn't happen. Drunk, cute (she was 100% my type, beautiful face about 5'4",130 lbs), small boobs (but I'm an ass guy) and a perfect little ass in that dress. I asked her how much and she wanted 300. I again had to look around to see if someone was filming this because it's all too good to be true. So, I quickly agreed. She immediately hugged me, kissed me and stuck her tongue down my throat. So, we went to my place and she got inside and immediately to a shower. Came out looking fantastic and we laid on the bed just making out, I did some oral on her and she stopped me because she wasn't "comfortable" with it. Anyway, she stopped me and said "fuck me", so I get ready to stick it in and she says, "fuck me with a condom". So, I pull out the condom and we have crazy, sweaty, drunken sex.

When we were done she started getting dressed and then stopped, laid back on the bed and said, "do that again". So, I get ready to go at her again and she said, "no, with your mouth". So, I did my job (on both holes, I've found Latinas REALLY like their ass done, if they are clean I have no problem with it) and she completely got into it. Then she grabbed my head out of her lap and said "fuck me". So, we went at it again raw dog. She was seriously having a great time. I finished and called an Uber for her (yes, I tipped her), but it was a great time. It's so rare in Cartagena that I get a real fuck. Everyone I meet here is quality and they make the effort and the right sounds, but I can tell they just want to get it over so they find someone else or go home (or I'm just gross, but I don't think I am). She ended up leaving something at my place, so I contacted her later that morning to try and give it back to her and she couldn't get away because she was in school. In the evening, I called her again to see if I can give it to her and she was working at her job and didn't want me going by there. So, information I learned after the fact even makes it better, she was a college student that has a job meeting guys on Tinder. I want seconds.

I probably won't write much. I've been to Cartagena numerous times now and though many place have closed, the girls just migrated to other locations. Everything else is completely the same. I've been out until 4 AM every night here and there has always been someone to choose from when I leave. Get numbers during the night and call or just grab someone when you leaving. Most I've paid is $100 US, probably can do cheaper but realistically, I probably couldn't get anyone under $80, so I go with the first number they give me at $100 or less.

I should mention in my 35+ years of doing this, I've never actually in my lifetime had one of the women with the gigantic asses that I see here. I like petite with a bubble but or petite with an ass. I finally decided to try one. Overall disappointing, probably because I'm sure she's scooped up immediately when she goes out, so I was probably number 15 or 20 this week and she knew all she needed to do was put her ass out there and hold still. I'm not a fan of doggy, but it was truly an incredible experience watching that ass move while I was hitting it. It probably would have been better if she had some tone or muscle, but I guess if you do what's needed to have tone and muscle, your ass ain't going to get that big.