East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2550237]Several shops have been advised of incoming raids with no protection.

Many many shops in Huangpu, Minhang, Jing'an and some in Changning have closed for at least a week and until further notice.

Be safe![/QUOTE]Now it all makes sense. On my WeChat, I noticed that several of my contacts, that are MP girls, suddenly are back home. I asked each of them when they are coming back, and the answers ranged from one week to not until June.

[QUOTE=DopeyMopey;2547336]So I have finally decided to contact 'Cathy', she can be found on massage republic website and she's got her own website too. 1800 for an hour but in reality was much longer as her service is much more personal. We chatted and kissed, and finally got down to business, anal included, GFE, great time, very athletic and petite body with very low body fat and tiny waist, she likes working out. Excellent service and great personality, she is worth the price you pay for, I echo the reviews about her.

In the evening I had my first Manhattan takeout, I went last time but left empty handed as the best gals were taken early on Sat night (by 11 the best ones were gone). Friday night I went at midnight and it was packed with hotties, I went in and out in 5 minutes, chose a petite viet gal I saw last time. Tried to order a cab but 20 mins wait, she suggested the lout across the road. Here's a tip, opposite Manhattan are parked cars, they're all 'cabs', I paid 100 rmb back to my hotel instead of the 30 rmb in Didi. When I arrived they tried to sell condoms for 50 rmb, no way I said. In the room the gal had condoms anyway, so another tip, don't buy the condom, say you got some. Like Beijing, the girls are not interested till you pay them. She was reluctant to shower, I insisted. They went from cold to horny right away and want you to come, and she lost her patience after 20 minutes and pulled the condom off to HJ. I timed it all, it was 31 mins instead of the hour. But it's alright, I was tired and she was pretty hot and I got to pound a bit. I expected it to be shorter than an hour anyway.

So, any takeout, expect it to be shorter and they trying to hurry you.[/QUOTE]I see why the Chinese leave.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2550237]Several shops have been advised of incoming raids with no protection.

Many many shops in Huangpu, Minhang, Jing'an and some in Changning have closed for at least a week and until further notice.

Be safe![/QUOTE]Yes I did wonder if something was going on. Saw a few places closed over the weekend. In a way it can be useful for the future as it's an indication of which shops provide certain services and which ones don't.

[QUOTE=DopeyMopey;2547336]So I have finally decided to contact 'Cathy', she can be found on massage republic website and she's got her own website too. 1800 for an hour but in reality was much longer as her service is much more personal. We chatted and kissed, and finally got down to business, anal included, GFE, great time, very athletic and petite body with very low body fat and tiny waist, she likes working out. Excellent service and great personality, she is worth the price you pay for, I echo the reviews about her.

In the evening I had my first Manhattan takeout, I went last time but left empty handed as the best gals were taken early on Sat night (by 11 the best ones were gone). Friday night I went at midnight and it was packed with hotties, I went in and out in 5 minutes, chose a petite viet gal I saw last time. Tried to order a cab but 20 mins wait, she suggested the lout across the road. Here's a tip, opposite Manhattan are parked cars, they're all 'cabs', I paid 100 rmb back to my hotel instead of the 30 rmb in Didi. When I arrived they tried to sell condoms for 50 rmb, no way I said. In the room the gal had condoms anyway, so another tip, don't buy the condom, say you got some. Like Beijing, the girls are not interested till you pay them. She was reluctant to shower, I insisted. They went from cold to horny right away and want you to come, and she lost her patience after 20 minutes and pulled the condom off to HJ. I timed it all, it was 31 mins instead of the hour. But it's alright, I was tired and she was pretty hot and I got to pound a bit. I expected it to be shorter than an hour anyway.

So, any takeout, expect it to be shorter and they trying to hurry you.[/QUOTE]Was this recently? Manhattan Shanghai is one of my fave world wide destinations. I thought it was closed. How many girls were there at midnight? Just open for business as usual? Is Judy's open also? (I find Manhattan girls a bit prettier).

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2550380]Was this recently? Manhattan Shanghai is one of my fave world wide destinations. I thought it was closed. How many girls were there at midnight? Just open for business as usual? Is Judy's open also? (I find Manhattan girls a bit prettier).[/QUOTE]Maybe two weeks ago, maybe 3. Yeh M had better hotties, twice I went to Judy's nearby and it was empty. We are talking around and before midnight. M definitely had more hotties, I went on a Friday and Saturday night, on Saturday by 11 all the best ones were taken and on Friday at midnight there were a lot of hotties. Like nobody had taken them or they are there for second stint. There were noticeably busy on both nights, you cannot get a seat even at 10. If you know what you want, just get in and come back out.

[QUOTE=DopeyMopey;2550510]Maybe two weeks ago, maybe 3. Yeh M had better hotties, twice I went to Judy's nearby and it was empty. We are talking around and before midnight. M definitely had more hotties, I went on a Friday and Saturday night, on Saturday by 11 all the best ones were taken and on Friday at midnight there were a lot of hotties. Like nobody had taken them or they are there for second stint. There were noticeably busy on both nights, you cannot get a seat even at 10. If you know what you want, just get in and come back out.[/QUOTE]That is awesome news. I always commit to hold out and spend a half hour enjoying the girl buffet before making a choice. Invariably I fail and get seduced in the first ten minutes. Not that I mind. LOL.

As regards the girls and trying to get a quick conclusion in the room. That was not my experience pre-Covid. I only had one girl feel like a real pro trying to turn me over for next client. Most have been super sweet. Tho I recognize this could change post Covid with more seasoned girls there.

[QUOTE=TConor;2550370]I see why the Chinese leave.[/QUOTE]Your comments are exactly why I like the KTV's in 2nd or 3rd tier cities. Never have to pay up front and by the time you are ready to head to the hotel you should know what you are getting.

[QUOTE=HalterEgo;2461262]Long time follower, first time poster. I saw your message and I thought it was about time to give back to the community. Hope you find some useful information on my post.

Here are a few of the places I can recommend in ChangNing. First one is on Suicheng Lu not far from Carrefour. It used to be part of the Sp**g Massage chain.

One block south of Carrefour you can see a BeerPlus. Take the north-west entrance of the building (entrance is on the right when looking at BeerPlus from the small square with the clock) and take elevator to second floor. The menu is similar to what it used to be when is was part of Sp**g chain. The 398 option includes happy ending. Last time I went there I had massage with #16. She asked for 200 tip for roaming (she unbutton her shirt and took out her bra) and CBJ. She promised me when I left she would do it next time for 100 tip.

There is another place I would recommend next to line 10. On Yili Road station, take the Anshun Road on the East of the HongQiao Park.[/QUOTE]Hi.

MP in Fahiazhen road is closed.

MP in Anshun road is closed.

So I tried the one at 2 f of beerplus building. But there are two Massage shop in 2 f. One with "Chinese massage" sign, the other branded as spa. I tried the last one offering 390. Pure veggie. Can you confirm that the right one is the Chinese massage?

Hi,

Thanks for your post. MPs in Fahuazhen & Anshun road are indeed closed (to my despair).

I can confirm however the one in Suicheng road above Beer Plus is still running as I went there last week.

You should take the entrance on the north-west corner of the building (not the one on the street side).

When reaching 2nd floor there should be only one MP.

They apparently raised a bit the prices.

Last week I had massage with #88, very cute girl with short hair and long legs.

Massage was quoted at 498. She had a zipped top that she soon unzipped. After a short back massage she started B2 be massage.

I think there is a 698 package that can give you BJ finish but did not get a chance to try it yet.

I hope you find it useful. Have fun.

[QUOTE=ChinaGm;2550840]Hi.

MP in Fahiazhen road is closed.

MP in Anshun road is closed.

So I tried the one at 2 f of beerplus building. But there are two Massage shop in 2 f. One with "Chinese massage" sign, the other branded as spa. I tried the last one offering 390. Pure veggie. Can you confirm that the right one is the Chinese massage?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HalterEgo;2550975]Hi,

Thanks for your post. MPs in Fahuazhen & Anshun road are indeed closed (to my despair).

I can confirm however the one in Suicheng road above Beer Plus is still running as I went there last week.

You should take the entrance on the north-west corner of the building (not the one on the street side).

When reaching 2nd floor there should be only one MP.

They apparently raised a bit the prices.

Last week I had massage with #88, very cute girl with short hair and long legs.

Massage was quoted at 498. She had a zipped top that she soon unzipped. After a short back massage she started B2 be massage.

I think there is a 698 package that can give you BJ finish but did not get a chance to try it yet.

I hope you find it useful. Have fun.[/QUOTE]I will try by asking for and. 88 or 16. If they do not know, I will be in the wrong place again.

Just to complete.

Going back to my place, I passed by 1010 Guyang Road. The girl at counter pointed to the 458 option saying it is special massage. Do you have info about that? Looks interesting and promising.

Close to my place there is also wanping road. I read that in the north part before xietu there is a good place. But I found in the same block at least three MP. So I do not know which is the correct one. Any advise to recognize it?

I haven't tested the 1010 Guyang Lu myself but I think MidWestern posted on this one in July last year.

You can find his post when searching for "Guyang".

[QUOTE=ChinaGm;2551029]I will try by asking for and. 88 or 16. If they do not know, I will be in the wrong place again.

Just to complete.

Going back to my place, I passed by 1010 Guyang Road. The girl at counter pointed to the 458 option saying it is special massage. Do you have info about that? Looks interesting and promising.

Close to my place there is also wanping road. I read that in the north part before xietu there is a good place. But I found in the same block at least three MP. So I do not know which is the correct one. Any advise to recognize it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HalterEgo;2551136]I haven't tested the 1010 Guyang Lu myself but I think MidWestern posted on this one in July last year.

You can find his post when searching for "Guyang".[/QUOTE]Whoa, good memory. Yeah, I went there the first week that it opened. I did not mention it back then, but I will mention it now, I got FS. And then I got the girl's WeChat, but when I tried to make another appointment with her, she said that we could not do FS ever again. And so I never returned. But some of those girls were transfers from two other shops that were HJ places that closed (this is how I found out about this place to begin with), and so I would assume that HJs are on offer at this location. But it's just an assumption. Like I said, I only went there once, and I got lucky, and that was almost a year ago.

Hi all,

I've been reading this forum for some while, really good stuff! Thank you for that. Decided I should make my own contribution and I just learned today that all places are now closed due to government layoffs. Apparently the places are protected by somehow government employees and they don't want to take any unnecessary chances. I also heard that this will continue until 20th of April.

I do have a few regular places, some offering FS, but really discreetly and only few specific girls. One place on yuyao road. They were across the street before, but now they have moved. I don't speak Chinese so didn't ask why.

[QUOTE=ChinaGm;2551029]
Going back to my place, I passed by 1010 Guyang Road. The girl at counter pointed to the 458 option saying it is special massage. Do you have info about that? Looks interesting and promising.

[/QUOTE]I walked by there today and it is shut down, at least for now. I guess that answers the question of whether they were still offering extras.

I know about two places on Wanping road that are not bad.

The one you might be talking about is right south from the crossroad with Xietu, on the west side of the road, probably 50 m from the crossroad if I remember well. It should be easy to figure out because it's on a second floor so you'll see a wide staircase leading upwards. I suggest you start checking that west side of Wanping road from the crossroad with Xietu going south and you won't miss it. I had a nice session with number 11 there. I think somebody previously mentioned number 98 (not sure now) but when I asked for that number they said there isn't one with that number now.

Another good one on Wanping road is north from Xietu road, and south from the crossroad with Xingeng road, like 20-30 m to it. On the west side of the road. This one is a Spring massage. I have had great experiences there since years, but recently they are fucking it up. The reason is a general decay in many small details not uncommon to other places: prices went up, girls quality went down, girls annoying asking for tips to even touch their breast, general bad attitude. All in all there is still one, number 97, who is smoking hot and would give FS for extra charge. She is a bit of a piece of work, and her prices also have been going up within the last three years. But she is pretty hot and young and I guess that if's within your budget, keeping her happy will improve the service.

[QUOTE=ChinaGm;2551029]I will try by asking for and. 88 or 16. If they do not know, I will be in the wrong place again.

Just to complete.

Going back to my place, I passed by 1010 Guyang Road. The girl at counter pointed to the 458 option saying it is special massage. Do you have info about that? Looks interesting and promising.

Close to my place there is also wanping road. I read that in the north part before xietu there is a good place. But I found in the same block at least three MP. So I do not know which is the correct one. Any advise to recognize it?[/QUOTE]

I went to Wanping Lu this weekend.

First, I tried the massage place near Zhujiabang Road and Xietu Road. But the security guy informed that no "full body oil massage" was on offer.

So then I went to Spring Massage. I was offered a $698 massage. Number 88 showed up. Died hair, a little old for the standards. She started to massage me and asked for 300 tip for the HJ. She also let me touch till the point I thought she was going to skirt in my hands.

Recently I am hearing about this word which translates to Maid where girls seems wear Japanese cartoon characters kind of dress. Did anyone of you guys went there and what's exactly goes on there? I have been told it's Room fees + maid fee which been charged / hour basis. In xuhui, they told its 120/ hour for girls fee.

Do they just accompany and play games with us? Or any other things on offer? If anyone knows she'd some light on this please.

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2554194]I went to Wanping Lu this weekend.

First, I tried the massage place near Zhujiabang Road and Xietu Road. But the security guy informed that no "full body oil massage" was on offer.

So then I went to Spring Massage. I was offered a $698 massage. Number 88 showed up. Died hair, a little old for the standards. She started to massage me and asked for 300 tip for the HJ. She also let me touch till the point I thought she was going to skirt in my hands.[/QUOTE]Do you mean the Spring on Wanping Rd? If so, yes, a long time favorite of mine. But as you said annoyingly decaying. I just don't see the point of crashing a grand on a mediocre and not young enough girl's HJ. Just some years ago it was cheaper, girls were hotter, younger, more of them and HJ would be included. But of course, it is what it is and we know why. I.

Does anybody see any light at the end of the tunnel?

Two things:

First, I've seen all these African girls on MR and added three. Pics they sent me look good, but they all seem to have the same or similar profiles and pricing. Anyone have any experience? I've not been with a black girl in ages. And actually never paid. But I'd line to have some fun. However I'm worried it's bullshit or some sort of scam involving African immigrants who might pull some shady shit.

Anyone have any positive or negative experiences?

Second thing: the Vietnamese girls. Candy, Jin Hee, Sansan. All vanished without a trace. Candy was literally the BEST mongering experience I've ever had. I had an appointment with Jin Hee on my last trip (Candy's roommate) and she never replied. All these girls have gone silent so I assume they were raided back in February. Be wary of non-Chinese incall.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2555101]Recently I am hearing about this word which translates to Maid where girls seems wear Japanese cartoon characters kind of dress. Did anyone of you guys went there and what's exactly goes on there? I have been told it's Room fees + maid fee which been charged / hour basis. In xuhui, they told its 120/ hour for girls fee.

Do they just accompany and play games with us? Or any other things on offer? If anyone knows she'd some light on this please.[/QUOTE]As far as I am aware, no sexual services are available at Chinese maid cafes. Maid cafes are an import from Japan, with a minor difference; while the ones in Japan are basically restaurants with the servers cosplaying as maids, the ones in China are more focused on playing board games and tabletop games with customers.

[QUOTE=MrClark203;2555980] All these girls have gone silent so I assume they were raided back in February. Be wary of non-Chinese incall.[/QUOTE]I did incall with a Viet a couple of times. And she told me that the police came to her place at least twice before, and took her to the police station for questioning. After a few hours, they let her go. She joked that maybe the police will come while I was there. She said it was no big deal. Just wasted some of her time. But because of her, I decided that incalls with non-Chinese was not worth it.

[QUOTE=MrClark203;2555980]Two things:

First, I've seen all these African girls on MR and added three. Pics they sent me look good, but they all seem to have the same or similar profiles and pricing. Anyone have any experience? I've not been with a black girl in ages. And actually never paid. But I'd line to have some fun. However I'm worried it's bullshit or some sort of scam involving African immigrants who might pull some shady shit.

Anyone have any positive or negative experiences?

Second thing: the Vietnamese girls. Candy, Jin Hee, Sansan. All vanished without a trace. Candy was literally the BEST mongering experience I've ever had. I had an appointment with Jin Hee on my last trip (Candy's roommate) and she never replied. All these girls have gone silent so I assume they were raided back in February. Be wary of non-Chinese incall.[/QUOTE]Yup. Not sure if they were raided back, but they are gone for sure. Candy said she'd be coming back though.

I've visited the Wanping Lu between Xietu Lu vs Zhaojiabang Lu. Champs Billows Spa. It was a busy time, but both girls and rooms were available. As I showered, #150 shows off. Very pretty face, mid 30's, incredible big boobs. She gives a massage and finishes in a BJ. Total damage: 499 $.

I went there today, and the most expensive menu item was 388. I said that I wanted the 698 or 498 option, and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I said that my friends have gotten it before. But they insisted that they had no off menu option. And so I left.

I definitely took the entrance that you described. The other poster, ChinaGM, apparently went up from the street side and indeed there are two MPs there like he said. He said that he tried the SPA one, and got a veggie massage. Well, the other MP is definitely also a veggie MP because it is a Yili shop, and all Yili shops are veggie.

So, what am I doing wrong? I'm a foreigner, and so they obviously know that I am not an undercover cop and they also know that I am looking for some naughty action, and yet they said they have no off menu option. Is it because I went there in the early afternoon, maybe? Sometimes the off menu gals only work the late shift. TIA.

[QUOTE=HalterEgo;2550975]Hi,

I can confirm however the one in Suicheng road above Beer Plus is still running as I went there last week.

You should take the entrance on the north-west corner of the building (not the one on the street side).

When reaching 2nd floor there should be only one MP.

They apparently raised a bit the prices.

Last week I had massage with #88, very cute girl with short hair and long legs.

Massage was quoted at 498. She had a zipped top that she soon unzipped. After a short back massage she started B2 be massage.

I think there is a 698 package that can give you BJ finish but did not get a chance to try it yet.

I hope you find it useful. Have fun.[/QUOTE]

Hi Midwestern,

Thanks for your report. I am sorry you could not get what you came for.

Based on your description I am pretty sure you went to the right place.

Not sure why service was not available that day. Could be the early timing indeed.

I will maybe try my chance next weekend.

I will report afterwards and let you know if I got luckier than you.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2558171]I went there today, and the most expensive menu item was 388. I said that I wanted the 698 or 498 option, and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I said that my friends have gotten it before. But they insisted that they had no off menu option. And so I left.

I definitely took the entrance that you described. The other poster, ChinaGM, apparently went up from the street side and indeed there are two MPs there like he said. He said that he tried the SPA one, and got a veggie massage. Well, the other MP is definitely also a veggie MP because it is a Yili shop, and all Yili shops are veggie.

So, what am I doing wrong? I'm a foreigner, and so they obviously know that I am not an undercover cop and they also know that I am looking for some naughty action, and yet they said they have no off menu option. Is it because I went there in the early afternoon, maybe? Sometimes the off menu gals only work the late shift. TIA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2558021]I've visited the Wanping Lu between Xietu Lu vs Zhaojiabang Lu. Champs Billows Spa. It was a busy time, but both girls and rooms were available. As I showered, #150 shows off. Very pretty face, mid 30's, incredible big boobs. She gives a massage and finishes in a BJ. Total damage: 499 $.[/QUOTE]At Ovocru, when did you make these visits to Wangping Lu? I went there today, and there is no Champs Billows Spa on Wanping between Xietu and Zhaojiabang. Every spa on this street looks like a beauty SPA for women, including the one on the corner of Wanping and Xietu. Even the Spring MP on Wanping that you reported on is shut down, and from the looks of it, it looks ilke it was shut down a while ago.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2558469]At Ovocru, when did you make these visits to Wangping Lu? I went there today, and there is no Champs Billows Spa on Wanping between Xietu and Zhaojiabang. Every spa on this street looks like a beauty SPA for women, including the one on the corner of Wanping and Xietu. Even the Spring MP on Wanping that you reported on is shut down, and from the looks of it, it looks ilke it was shut down a while ago.[/QUOTE]They we advertising still on [URL]smartshanghai.com[/URL] :

2/ F, No. 1, Lane 99 Wanping Nan Lu.

Near Xingeng Lu.

Xuhui District.

Note the reference to no.1 lane

Teltel.

[QUOTE=MrClark203;2555980]Two things:

First, I've seen all these African girls on MR and added three. Pics they sent me look good, but they all seem to have the same or similar profiles and pricing. Anyone have any experience? I've not been with a black girl in ages. And actually never paid. But I'd line to have some fun. However I'm worried it's bullshit or some sort of scam involving African immigrants who might pull some shady shit.

Anyone have any positive or negative experiences?

Second thing: the Vietnamese girls. Candy, Jin Hee, Sansan. All vanished without a trace. Candy was literally the BEST mongering experience I've ever had. I had an appointment with Jin Hee on my last trip (Candy's roommate) and she never replied. All these girls have gone silent so I assume they were raided back in February. Be wary of non-Chinese incall.[/QUOTE]I tried one of the African girls who advertised on escortnews and it wasn't a pleasant experience. Fake pic, fake height and fake service. Spent 1200 and got a good lesson.

Few years back, you can easily find a stunning African girl in the sky bar in Hyatt Pudong, and I rmb to see a few talents in Judy's. Maybe you can try out there, at least wt you wt pay for.

Agreed on Candy, really really really good service and tight enhanced body. Rimming skill is excellent. Seems she will come back soon.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2556115]As far as I am aware, no sexual services are available at Chinese maid cafes. Maid cafes are an import from Japan, with a minor difference; while the ones in Japan are basically restaurants with the servers cosplaying as maids, the ones in China are more focused on playing board games and tabletop games with customers.[/QUOTE]Oh understand. No fun then.

[QUOTE=Teltel;2558708]They we advertising still on [URL]smartshanghai.com[/URL] :

2/ F, No. 1, Lane 99 Wanping Nan Lu.

Near Xingeng Lu.

Xuhui District.

Note the reference to no.1 lane

Teltel.[/QUOTE]Thanks, TT.

I went there today. Man, it was not what I expected. It is a huge, huge operation. There were guys going up and down the stairs, to the spa, nonstop. And this was 2 pm in the afternoon on a Wednesday. I wanted to enter discreetly. So, I waited a few minutes for the foot traffic to die down, but it never did. So, I just went up the stairs, with people going past me up and down.

The reception room is big, full of people, and was very active. Several guys in headsets and several girls at the front desk are helping customers. A guy in a headset comes over to me and kind of loudly asks me what I wanted, and he is obviously in a hurry. He is a little loud because the place was noisy. I hesitated, and mumbled something, and the guy gives me a weird look, and suddenly I feel a dozen eyes looking at me (but this is probably my paranoia). One of the front desk girls starts to say something to us. I finally took a breath and told the guy that I wanted a massage (in Chinese, of course). He hesitates, and then he starts yelling into his headset and he takes me to a room.

As we are walking, I am in awe at how big this place is, and how busy it is. We walked past over a dozen girls, yes, literally over dozen, probably more. And there are a lot of guys in headsets running around, and janitors are everywhere, and half naked guys walking to and from the shower rooms.

Once in my room, I tried to talk to the headset guy, but he rushed off and told me to wait. A half minute later, a tall, kind of hot gal, walks in. She is disinterested. I tried to chat her up, but she just tells me to put on shower shoes and we walk out to the shower rooms. Again, we walk by a lot of people on our way to the shower room. And then it was not easy to find an empty shower. We went from one shower room, to another, all full, but finally found an empty shower stall.

Anyway, back in the room, service was very mechanical. Will not bore you guys with the details. But yeah, there was some BJ. But at one point, no lie, she looks at her cell phone during our session. However, I am sure that YMMV with regard to gal and service. Like I said, there were a lot of gals at this place, with varying degrees of hotness and body type, though every gal looked 30 something.

It is quite possible that I saw almost a hundred people while I was there. Probably not, but it sure felt that way.

Anyway, if you are a foreigner, or if you cannot speak Chinese, then visiting this place may be very awkward.

Yeah, my service was mechanical, but she was pretty hot, and there were so many girls at this place, that I may go back.

BTW, I was wrong when I said the Spring location on this street was closed. However, it looks like it has new owners or it was rebranded. I used to go there for FS several years ago, but I have no idea if it still has FS.

[QUOTE=HalterEgo;2558195]Hi Midwestern,

Thanks for your report. I am sorry you could not get what you came for.

Based on your description I am pretty sure you went to the right place.

Not sure why service was not available that day. Could be the early timing indeed.

I will maybe try my chance next weekend.

I will report afterwards and let you know if I got luckier than you.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot buddy for advising this place. It's still alive and kicking. As to details- it's exactly same as you mentioned and they even lined up girls for me. Out of 9, I would say around 6 are good looking (not sure their zipped up uniform makes to look them sexy or not &#128514 but all in all it's a good place at 498. I didn't even looked the menu and behaved like I m a regular there. But when asked for BJ, she tried to upsell with one more massage session which I denied, so not sure 698 option is available or not.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2558827]Thanks, TT.

I went there today. Man, it was not what I expected. It is a huge, huge operation. There were guys going up and down the stairs, to the spa, nonstop. And this was 2 pm in the afternoon on a Wednesday. I wanted to enter discreetly. So, I waited a few minutes for the foot traffic to die down, but it never did. So, I just went up the stairs, with people going past me up and down.

The reception room is big, full of people, and was very active. Several guys in headsets and several girls at the front desk are helping customers. A guy in a headset comes over to me and kind of loudly asks me what I wanted, and he is obviously in a hurry. He is a little loud because the place was noisy. I hesitated, and mumbled something, and the guy gives me a weird look, and suddenly I feel a dozen eyes looking at me (but this is probably my paranoia). One of the front desk girls starts to say something to us. I finally took a breath and told the guy that I wanted a massage (in Chinese, of course). He hesitates, and then he starts yelling into his headset and he takes me to a room.

As we are walking, I am in awe at how big this place is, and how busy it is. We walked past over a dozen girls, yes, literally over dozen, probably more. And there are a lot of guys in headsets running around, and janitors are everywhere, and half naked guys walking to and from the shower rooms.

Once in my room, I tried to talk to the headset guy, but he rushed off and told me to wait. A half minute later, a tall, kind of hot gal, walks in. She is disinterested. I tried to chat her up, but she just tells me to put on shower shoes and we walk out to the shower rooms. Again, we walk by a lot of people on our way to the shower room. And then it was not easy to find an empty shower. We went from one shower room, to another, all full, but finally found an empty shower stall.[/QUOTE]Wow, I thought this kind of places are closed in Shanghai as 6-7 years back there lots and lots of this kind of places with many floors. Usually 2nd floor for reception and lay down with a small tv at sofa, 3rd floor for leg massages, 4th floor for massages with kinky things. Yes, if you are first you might be surprised but this is how the big spa's earlier functioned.

I also tried the spa on Wanping Lu. Went there yesterday around 2 pm. Place was relatively quiet.

I came across 1 or 2 clients but there was no queue for bathroom.

When I entered I was greeted by a guy with hearphone.

I asked to get a massage with #150 as I was intrigued (and a bit aroused) by previous report.

Guy said she was busy but would be done in 10 min. So I accepted to wait and he led me to a room.

Place was clean and relatively modern with a big bed on the center. He entered start time and input masseuse number on a digital screen next to the entrance and let me choose drinks from a list on the screen.

10 min later, #150 knocked on the door. She had cute smile, friendly attitude and a big chest as mentioned in one of the previous report. She was wearing short skirt with black stockings and high heels.

She asked me to change into disposable boxer and led me to the shower room.

Massage started. After 10 min she pulled my boxer down and started B2B while reaching my jewels from behind.

She was very GFE with a lot of moaning and she got me quite aroused.

After turning around I could have a better look on her body. She had very big breasts with small tips. When I reached to her bottom she quickly pulled down her panty. After cleaning my sex, she started to lick back and forth along my shaft for a good 5 min. After she moved upward and let me play with her breast while finishing me with oily HJ.

After cleaning and getting to shower she offered to give me some further massage as there were some time left.

I decline but I enjoyed my time with her as she had a very good attitude.

I might try nevertheless another masseuse next time as I saw several sexier girls on my way out.

All in all a good experience for 499. I might return.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2559051]Wow, I thought this kind of places are closed in Shanghai as 6-7 years back there lots and lots of this kind of places with many floors. Usually 2nd floor for reception and lay down with a small tv at sofa, 3rd floor for leg massages, 4th floor for massages with kinky things. Yes, if you are first you might be surprised but this is how the big spa's earlier functioned.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HalterEgo;2560090]I also tried the spa on Wanping Lu. Went there yesterday around 2 pm. Place was relatively quiet.

I came across 1 or 2 clients but there was no queue for bathroom.

When I entered I was greeted by a guy with hearphone.

I asked to get a massage with #150 as I was intrigued (and a bit aroused) by previous report.

Guy said she was busy but would be done in 10 min. So I accepted to wait and he led me to a room.

Place was clean and relatively modern with a big bed on the center. He entered start time and input masseuse number on a digital screen next to the entrance and let me choose drinks from a list on the screen.

10 min later, #150 knocked on the door. She had cute smile, friendly attitude and a big chest as mentioned in one of the previous report. She was wearing short skirt with black stockings and high heels.

She asked me to change into disposable boxer and led me to the shower room.

Massage started. After 10 min she pulled my boxer down and started B2B while reaching my jewels from behind.

She was very GFE with a lot of moaning and she got me quite aroused..[/QUOTE]This place is much closer to me than Shuicheng. Will check it out and post the report. Do you speak Chinese? And if we say 499 massage option then the guy with headphone understand what we mean right? Or do we need to mention that we look special massage.

Hi BonMonger,

Unfortunately I cannot speak Chinese. When I entered I just showed '499' on the calculator of my cell phone.

The guy at the lobby understood right away. I would say this place seems fairly easy even for foreigners.

I hope you enjoy your session there. Have fun.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2560332]This place is much closer to me than Shuicheng. Will check it out and post the report. Do you speak Chinese? And if we say 499 massage option then the guy with headphone understand what we mean right? Or do we need to mention that we look special massage.[/QUOTE]

This is just a friendly note of caution. This place is so obviously offering happy endings, especially with way the the girls are dressed AND also especially given the all male clientele, and they are doing it out in the open. As more foreigners go there, the Shanghai government will view it as an embarrassment for Shanghai. To me, it just seems like an obvious target for an easy raid, where the police could arrest over a hundred people in one fell swoop. The key is knowing how well connected the spa owners are. And I do not know the answer to that question.

Some of you guys will remember the 76 Changshou Road spa. That spa was above a kindergarten. That place was so well known among foreigners, that there were many times when I saw more foriegners there than locals. Eventually, that place was forced to shut down, but it may have gotten raided.

For places like the Yu or Spring shops, those gals are dressed in conservative uniforms, and a significant clientele are women, and the naughty stuff is not even on the menu. To me, these places are safer.

Anyway, I do not mean to scare anyone. Just be careful.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2560674]This is just a friendly note of caution. This place is so obviously offering happy endings, especially with way the the girls are dressed AND also especially given the all male clientele, and they are doing it out in the open. As more foreigners go there, the Shanghai government will view it as an embarrassment for Shanghai. To me, it just seems like an obvious target for an easy raid, where the police could arrest over a hundred people in one fell swoop. The key is knowing how well connected the spa owners are. And I do not know the answer to that question.

Some of you guys will remember the 76 Changshou Road spa. That spa was above a kindergarten. That place was so well known among foreigners, that there were many times when I saw more foriegners there than locals. Eventually, that place was forced to shut down, but it may have gotten raided.

For places like the Yu or Spring shops, those gals are dressed in conservative uniforms, and a significant clientele are women, and the naughty stuff is not even on the menu. To me, these places are safer.

Anyway, I do not mean to scare anyone. Just be careful.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the call.

Which one in Wanping Spa tho? There is a Spring on Wanping. There is another place on Wanping, close to the Spring, which also offers HJ, but funnily enough one of the girls at Spring Wanping told me once to meet here there, not at Spring, and I could even pay with my card from Spring.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2560674]This is just a friendly note of caution. This place is so obviously offering happy endings, especially with way the the girls are dressed AND also especially given the all male clientele, and they are doing it out in the open. As more foreigners go there, the Shanghai government will view it as an embarrassment for Shanghai. To me, it just seems like an obvious target for an easy raid, where the police could arrest over a hundred people in one fell swoop. The key is knowing how well connected the spa owners are. And I do not know the answer to that question.

Some of you guys will remember the 76 Changshou Road spa. That spa was above a kindergarten. That place was so well known among foreigners, that there were many times when I saw more foriegners there than locals. Eventually, that place was forced to shut down, but it may have gotten raided.

For places like the Yu or Spring shops, those gals are dressed in conservative uniforms, and a significant clientele are women, and the naughty stuff is not even on the menu. To me, these places are safer.

Anyway, I do not mean to scare anyone. Just be careful.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the caution MW. I understand. By the way you mentioned in your earlier report about Spring on same road being rebranded- can you elaborate more about it? It's in which location, the new shop and will try to go there and report here if find any good options.

This used to be a Spring, and it offered FS for 500 tip, as recently has a couple of years ago. However, the service was either rushed and mechanical, or the gal was not that attractive. So, I stopped going a long time ago.

A couple of weeks ago, I went by there, and it looked shut down. There was no one inside, and it was dark. However, last week, I noticed a new sign over the door, and the door was open with lights on. But I did not go in.

On here, I have seen people say that is is closed and others say that it is open but it is just a HJ place now. My guess is that this place is going through some ownership changes and rebranding. But the place definitely needs fresh intel, it anyone is interested in TOFTT.

[QUOTE=MattLuo;2558748]I tried one of the African girls who advertised on escortnews and it wasn't a pleasant experience. Fake pic, fake height and fake service. Spent 1200 and got a good lesson.

Few years back, you can easily find a stunning African girl in the sky bar in Hyatt Pudong, and I rmb to see a few talents in Judy's. Maybe you can try out there, at least wt you wt pay for.

Agreed on Candy, really really really good service and tight enhanced body. Rimming skill is excellent. Seems she will come back soon.[/QUOTE]I had a feeling that this wasn't worth my time. Friend and I went to Judy's and Manhattan that weekend. Manhattan was 95% amazing Chinese girls who wouldn't talk to us (probably worried about hurting their rep) and ok Vietnamese girls. No African girls showed up. We hit up Judy's early. Not the place next to Manhattan. And it seemed better but it was early. Hitting Shanghai Sunday night so I may check Judy's again.

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2558021]I've visited the Wanping Lu between Xietu Lu vs Zhaojiabang Lu. Champs Billows Spa. It was a busy time, but both girls and rooms were available. As I showered, #150 shows off. Very pretty face, mid 30's, incredible big boobs. She gives a massage and finishes in a BJ. Total damage: 499 $.[/QUOTE]After looking at some of the reports on here, I decided to check this place out. It is indeed on Wanping between Xietu and Zhaojibang, on the other side of the road from Xingeng lu. There is a big sign at street level, and you take a very short walk off the street and then left into the building. As I walked up the stairs I saw the sign 'Champs Billows' so I knew I was in the right place.

I went on Saturday lunchtime at 12.30 pm, and it was very quiet. Unlike other reports there was no one sitting in the reception area and no guys running around with radios, just two female receptionists in normal smart receptionist clothing at the desk. I asked for the 499 option and was asked to pay upfront (was that the same for you guys?) One of them then walked me through to a dimly lit room not too far from reception. It was a nice size and had its own shower and sink, so luckily for me there was no showering in a busy communal area.

After a receiving some fruit and water from a male assistant, a tall, slim, pretty, leggy girl from Hainan in her early / mid 20's walks in wearing a black top, tight black skirt, stockings and heels. However she looks disinterested and avoids eye contact. After I finished showering she comes back in, covers up the door window, and locks the door, and I get down naked on the bed without putting on any blue shorts.

After performing a weak and rather useless neck and back massage for 5-10 minutes, she gets on the bed and gently massages my ass, prostate and balls with lots of fake moaning. She takes her top off and kisses and rubs herself all over my back and ass, with some moaning and heavy breathing around the ears. This goes on for around 20-30 minutes, and she keeps the fake moaning going the whole time. After the flip, she pulls down her stockings and rubs and licks me all over, and I was free to roam where I wanted. She finishes by lying down next to me with a slow oily HJ. Showered, spoke to her briefly in my broken Chinese, and left. You get given a key chain which you hand back to reception to prove you've already paid.

So after an unpromising start, it was a pretty nice experience in the end. Will probably repeat at some point. So thanks for the heads-up! To return the favor I will post some info v soon about another place I've been to recently. But as always, stay safe out there!

As I mentioned in my previous report on the place on Wanping, here's some info on another place I've been to four times recently.

It's a legit looking place on Zunyi lu, just off Changning lu near Zhongshan Park. Ask for the 398 option, which gets you a proper massage (almost veggie quality) by a not bad looking early 30-something wearing a white blouse and trousers, with HJ at the end, and maybe some titty fondling depending on the girl. As always, YMMV. Shower is just outside the room, very quiet each time I've been there.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2562045]After looking at some of the reports on here, I decided to check this place out. It is indeed on Wanping between Xietu and Zhaojibang, on the other side of the road from Xingeng lu. There is a big sign at street level, and you take a very short walk off the street and then left into the building. As I walked up the stairs I saw the sign 'Champs Billows' so I knew I was in the right place.

I went on Saturday lunchtime at 12.30 pm, and it was very quiet. Unlike other reports there was no one sitting in the reception area and no guys running around with radios, just two female receptionists in normal smart receptionist clothing at the desk. I asked for the 499 option and was asked to pay upfront (was that the same for you guys?) One of them then walked me through to a dimly lit room not too far from reception. It was a nice size and had its own shower and sink, so luckily for me there was no showering in a busy communal area.

After a receiving some fruit and water from a male assistant, a tall, slim, pretty, leggy girl from Hainan in her early / mid 20's walks in wearing a black top, tight black skirt, stockings and heels. However she looks disinterested and avoids eye contact. After I finished showering she comes back in, covers up the door window, and locks the door, and I get down naked on the bed without putting on any blue shorts.

After performing a weak and rather useless neck and back massage for 5-10 minutes, she gets on the bed and gently massages my ass, prostate and balls with lots of fake moaning. She takes her top off and kisses and rubs herself all over my back and ass, with some moaning and heavy breathing around the ears. This goes on for around 20-30 minutes, and she keeps the fake moaning going the whole time. After the flip, she pulls down her stockings and rubs and licks me all over, and I was free to roam where I wanted. She finishes by lying down next to me with a slow oily HJ.[/QUOTE]Do you know her #? As per other reports it was BJ whereas you mention HJ?

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2562046]As I mentioned in my previous report on the place on Wanping, here's some info on another place I've been to four times recently.

It's a legit looking place on Zunyi lu, just off Changning lu near Zhongshan Park. Ask for the 398 option, which gets you a proper massage (almost veggie quality) by a not bad looking early 30-something wearing a white blouse and trousers, with HJ at the end, and maybe some titty fondling depending on the girl. As always, YMMV. Shower is just outside the room, very quiet each time I've been there.[/QUOTE]Can you give me your landmark or next to which one? Or some road # as don't want to end up in wrong place as other mongers mentioned clear for a sign to know that you are in correct place whereas you didn't mention any signs.

They asked you pay upfront?! That's crazy! I wonder why they did that?

The place was quiet and there was a shower in the room? I guess Saturday lunchtime is not a typical time for gents to visit this place.

As for the disinterested look, yeah, that's what I got too. But the service was identical to what you described.

For me, even though the service was mechanical, at least the gals are decent looking and there is NO tipping.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2562045]

I went on Saturday lunchtime at 12.30 pm, and it was very quiet. Unlike other reports there was no one sitting in the reception area and no guys running around with radios, just two female receptionists in normal smart receptionist clothing at the desk. I asked for the 499 option and was asked to pay upfront (was that the same for you guys?) One of them then walked me through to a dimly lit room not too far from reception. It was a nice size and had its own shower and sink, so luckily for me there was no showering in a busy communal area.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2562419]They asked you pay upfront?! That's crazy! I wonder why they did that?
[/QUOTE]I don't know man, never happened to me before. Maybe as it's often busy in there, people have snuck out without paying, who knows.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2562405]Can you give me your landmark or next to which one? Or some road # as don't want to end up in wrong place as other mongers mentioned clear for a sign to know that you are in correct place whereas you didn't mention any signs.[/QUOTE]Very easy to find. Just enter Zunyi lu from Changning, and it's on the right side of the road, 2 F. Big sign with yellow and white lettering. At night they even have one of those blue spotlight things projecting on the ground. You can't miss it.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2562404]Do you know her #? As per other reports it was BJ whereas you mention HJ?[/QUOTE]Forgot to get the #. Was a HJ. Maybe it would have been a BJ but she was quite hot and I didn't quite make it to the end.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2562404]Do you know her #? As per other reports it was BJ whereas you mention HJ?[/QUOTE]You definitely don't need to request a specific # at this place. They are pretty busy, so it's likely you'll have to wait if you request a specific #.

In addition, the service and girl hotness are kind of similar. It's not like anyone will give you really crappy service, nor amazing service. It'll always be a pretty okay service. And it's not like you'll get anyone that looks like Shrek at this place.

Normally, requesting a specific # only pays off for the gal if there's a long wait to serve a customer, and so getting requested allows her to jump the queue. For the gent, only reason to request a specific # is if you have some kind of long term objective with the gal.

Just my 2 cents and POV.

And yes, I did get a few minutes of BBBJ when I went there. But I wouldn't call it a KB shop, not even close.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2562659]Very easy to find. Just enter Zunyi lu from Changning, and it's on the right side of the road, 2 F. Big sign with yellow and white lettering. At night they even have one of those blue spotlight things projecting on the ground. You can't miss it.[/QUOTE]Yo, Rodneey, thanks for this intel. I checked it out a few days ago. The 398 option is not on the menu. As I was looking at the menu, the receptionist gives me a naughtly smile and asks if I want the 398 option. I said yes. My provider was an okay looking 30-something. But she was a big feisty. We even got into a small fight in the beginning, about my crappy Chinese language skills, which was weird. She then massaged me in total silence. But on the flip, I got a good happy ending. While she was doing that, she asked me if this was my first time at the place. I told her the truth that it was, but I told her that my friend recommended the place, to let her know that I know the drill. About a couple of minutes before the release, she asked if my friend tipped. I pretended like I did not understand her. So, overall, not bad. 398 for decent massage and a happy ending without tipping. However, I will probably not return. It is too far away from me.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2564038]Yo, Rodneey, thanks for this intel. I checked it out a few days ago.[/QUOTE]Nice to see a report on this place from another fellow monger. As I mentioned, I've been there 4 times as it's on the way home from work so it's pretty convenient for me, but I understand why you wouldn't go again if it's a long way away. And indeed no need for tip. I haven't tipped once at this place.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2564038]Yo, Rodneey, thanks for this intel. I checked it out a few days ago. The 398 option is not on the menu. As I was looking at the menu, the receptionist gives me a naughtly smile and asks if I want the 398 option. I said yes. My provider was an okay looking 30-something. But she was a big feisty. We even got into a small fight in the beginning, about my crappy Chinese language skills, which was weird. She then massaged me in total silence. But on the flip, I got a good happy ending. While she was doing that, she asked me if this was my first time at the place. I told her the truth that it was, but I told her that my friend recommended the place, to let her know that I know the drill. About a couple of minutes before the release, she asked if my friend tipped. I pretended like I did not understand her. So, overall, not bad. 398 for decent massage and a happy ending without tipping. However, I will probably not return. It is too far away from me.[/QUOTE]I checked this place out last week and it was pretty much what was advertised. Nice and clean place. The lady was around 30, massage with oil wasn't bad at all. When going downstairs, that's when the bargaining happened. The lady asked me whether this was my first time and I told her yes, this was recommended by a friend. She asked me whether your friend told me about tips. I pointblank told her that no tips were involved. Then she insisted on getting 300 tips for touching. So finally she didn't even lower her pants. And no BJ. I think they have been getting a lot of foreigners lately and think that foreigners might be gullable enough to pay. I have been in many situations (blue balls) and just paying for anything.

But all in all, not superbad place. A bit too far from my home, but I could try again if I would have better luck next time.

Thanks for recommendation!

Went to M's last weekend. Place was packed with Chinese dudes and quite decent number of girls. One lady approached me, first time I hear that a Malaysian worked there. She asked $2 k so I passed. I met my favorite viet, she has a Yakuza-style tattoo in her back and very petit body with turbo in her tits. Agreed on $1.2 K. At the fight, this time she didn't BBJ w / o condom, finished in a usual missionary 1 round only.

I arrived in China in 2005, I left in 2017 to go to work in Bali but international airport of Bali is closed from March 2021 so I'm back in Shanghai, already 6 months. I'm so sad, I can't find any girl I like, average age of therapist is so high and price high to, and quality very low, bad value. Anyway I'm here to give you few tips maybe you don't know. On the cross of Maoming lu with weihai lu, next to the fruits shop, second floor there is a massage place. I know this place already more than 10 years, always the same. Hal genuine, half he. I use to meet there girls and have a nice service with 300 for the room and 200 tips. Now the age is up 30's anf you have to pay 500 for the room and 500 tips. No BJ. There are a couple of small shop where you can get HJ for 200, but they are very basic, old style. 1 of them is on the cross of wuyi lu with Kaixuan lu, next to a fruits shop, opposite to sinopek gas station, yellow entrance, sign covered 380 for HJ in private room. 2 of them are in Anxi lu, one of them really old style, with blue lights and the ladies sitting, black dressed, 200 for HJ no private room, large space separated by curtains. Other small shops are in yuyao lu, have ride by bicycle and you'll find out. Another one is in Anyuan lu, this street before used to be full of PM but now there are maybe 1 or 2 , again with low quality. After had enjoyed beautiful girls in Bali now I feel really frustrate. I found a superb beautiful and Viet girl but she ask for 2000/ hour so I go there once a month, not more. Unfortunately after all the beautiful and convenient spa have been close now all the Chinese go to Manhattan and the girls increased the price plus some of them doesn't want go at all with white people. That's all for the moment, I'm keep looking for good value. Keep in touch.

Guys,

Just wanted to upload a recent experience for you all to stay safe out there. I was at M a few weeks back, didn't take any girl back home but I spent some time talking to a pleasant Viet there. Before I left I asked for her WeChat and in the following weeks we shot a few messages back and forth.

Some days ago I stayed at a hotel in Shanghai, I live out of town but travel frequently to Shanghai for business. I asked the Viet if she wanted to spend the night, which she agreed to. Around midnight she had a few phone calls from a friend, and in the early morning there were some frantic messaging with her friends. It turned out that the Police had raided her apartment as well as other apartments of Viets either cohabiting or living nearby. My Viet was lucky as she was staying in the hotel with me. She explained they had all come to China in October and had overstayed their visa's, hence they are here on illegal grounds. She was very scared, called a Chinese dude which probably was her pimp or so, asking for a new sim card and a new place to stay. She didn't dare to go back home because she was suspecting the apartment was under surveillance.

For all you guys who f*ck girls from M be aware that they can bring you trouble. Personally I wouldn't be too worried bringing a girl to my hotel, but I'd have concerns visiting their home. Anyway, that's all up to your choice. Law enforcement is reading this site daily so whatever we know they will know as well.

After 2 years I have a chance to back to ShangHai for a while, and found Maria from NLO. Any one know her? Searched this site also, she looks a mature girl?

[QUOTE=Ducaconte;2567791]I arrived in China in 2005, I left in 2017 to go to work in Bali but international airport of Bali is closed from March 2021 so I'm back in Shanghai, already 6 months. I'm so sad, I can't find any girl I like, average age of therapist is so high and price high to, and quality very low, bad value. Anyway I'm here to give you few tips maybe you don't know. On the cross of Maoming lu with weihai lu, next to the fruits shop, second floor there is a massage place. I know this place already more than 10 years, always the same. Hal genuine, half he. I use to meet there girls and have a nice service with 300 for the room and 200 tips. Now the age is up 30's anf you have to pay 500 for the room and 500 tips. No BJ. There are a couple of small shop where you can get HJ for 200, but they are very basic, old style. 1 of them is on the cross of wuyi lu with Kaixuan lu, next to a fruits shop, opposite to sinopek gas station, yellow entrance, sign covered 380 for HJ in private room. 2 of them are in Anxi lu, one of them really old style, with blue lights and the ladies sitting, black dressed, 200 for HJ no private room, large space separated by curtains. Other small shops are in yuyao lu, have ride by bicycle and you'll find out. Another one is in Anyuan lu, this street before used to be full of PM but now there are maybe 1 or 2 , again with low quality. After had enjoyed beautiful girls in Bali now I feel really frustrate. I found a superb beautiful and Viet girl but she ask for 2000/ hour so I go there once a month, not more. Unfortunately after all the beautiful and convenient spa have been close now all the Chinese go to Manhattan and the girls increased the price plus some of them doesn't want go at all with white people. That's all for the moment, I'm keep looking for good value. Keep in touch.[/QUOTE]Want back to 4 years ago ShangHai, Hotel WuGong in FuZhou road was my favorite.

[QUOTE=LargeM;2568101]After 2 years I have a chance to back to ShangHai for a while, and found Maria from NLO. Any one know her? Searched this site also, she looks a mature girl?[/QUOTE]What seasoned monger in Shanghai doesn't know about Maria? She is a Shanghai classic. Her reviews on NLO are pretty accurate. She's been reviewed a lot on that other site that cannot be named. She's probably around 40. I met her around a half dozen times. Super nice and great service. If you like them a tad bigger and a bit mature, she's the one for you. Her English is not bad.

Can anyone please explain how to navigate aish website- as for ad based mongering they mention qq / Wechat where as for inside many writeup's there are no info on how to contact them. If it's paid membership, can we able to get those info and if so hoe to get it? I mean do we need to write and ask?

Please advice.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2570226]Can anyone please explain how to navigate aish website- as for ad based mongering they mention qq / Wechat where as for inside many writeup's there are no info on how to contact them. If it's paid membership, can we able to get those info and if so hoe to get it? I mean do we need to write and ask?[/QUOTE]There is an advertising section where new providers post a selection of photos and usually a QQ contact for free. To unlock the contact info included with the member reports, you need "coins" or "vouchers."

In theory you earn both for free but it takes a lot of time. If you don't want to wait you can also spend $$$ - the process is explained on the website.

My favorite gal at Wanping Lu informed that she switched parlour and now works at Ningxia Lu 348 (near Longde Road Station). I went there to explore and was impressed with facilities. The place looks anew and fresh. Girl asked if I wanted oil massage or lick massage. I said both are ok kkkk we finish with a HJ and paid $499 total.

[QUOTE=LennyLein;2570872]There is an advertising section where new providers post a selection of photos and usually a QQ contact for free. To unlock the contact info included with the member reports, you need "coins" or "vouchers."

In theory you earn both for free but it takes a lot of time. If you don't want to wait you can also spend $$$ - the process is explained on the website.[/QUOTE]Thanks and I am trying for payment option. My doubt is if we go for paid option, is there any procedure to ask for qq and other contact details or it will be visible automatically for all threads. Just trying to understand how it functions in payment options. Did you made payment?

As to advert- understand that it has all contact details but it's pricey hence trying to dig out more from blogs written. Thanks again for your reply.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2571489]Thanks and I am trying for payment option. My doubt is if we go for paid option, is there any procedure to ask for qq and other contact details or it will be visible automatically for all threads. Just trying to understand how it functions in payment options. Did you made payment?

As to advert- understand that it has all contact details but it's pricey hence trying to dig out more from blogs written. Thanks again for your reply.[/QUOTE]Everything is explained on the website and a simple google translate will alow you to read it if you don't speak chinese.

Basically each time someone posts something he can hide some infos (including address or contact infos) from the public view and set a price in credits to reveal this info.

If you want to gain credits without paying you do just that and then spend the credits people pay you on other people's contributions. Otherwise you need to purchase credits as explained by a previous poster.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2571942]Everything is explained on the website and a simple google translate will alow you to read it if you don't speak chinese.

Basically each time someone posts something he can hide some infos (including address or contact infos) from the public view and set a price in credits to reveal this info.

If you want to gain credits without paying you do just that and then spend the credits people pay you on other people's contributions. Otherwise you need to purchase credits as explained by a previous poster.[/QUOTE]Kind of clear now. Thanks.

This visit goes back to May, but a friend and I visited 3 locations and I'm quite curious about what happened.

First location was a place called "Judy's" opposite the Kerry Center. This isn't the location I expected as everything I saw on the Internet said that Judy's and Manhattan are on the same road, but this place bills itself as Judy's.

Friend and I went in around 8:30 pm on a Tuesday. It was quiet, but with several girls in attendance. There was a table of foreign guys with about three very cute girls hanging around. Eventually that group left. There were also other attractive girls. Clearly Chinese. With a table of Chinese guys. My friend and I were approached by two Viet girls who were not my cup of tea. Offering short time for 1500. Other than them we didn't get approached by other girls. There were two women alone. Both very made-up who seemed totally preoccupied with phones. Wouldn't make eye contact.

We next went to Manhattan. Got in around 10:00 pm. Packed with Chinese guys and dozens of very attractive Chinese women all clearly working. Got hit up by a middle aged Mongolian girl, and a cute but desperate Viet girl but couldn't get ANY of these Chinese girls to pay us any mind. Another foreign guy seems to have had the same experience. 100% Chinese pick up bar from my perspective. Three drinks and we walked to another bar at the end of the road calling itself Judy's 2? On the second floor.

Place was very dead with girls walking around. After trying to get a cute Chinese girl's attention, I finally asked her in Chinese, "you don't like foreign guys?" She apologized and said she assumed we couldn't speak Chinese and she'd be happy to come over if we bought a bottle.

So this joint, the girls seemed to be working for the bar.

I only come to Shanghai once and awhile on business and was finally curious enough to check these spots out, but they were far from what's been described here even recently. What gives?

Reminder to evryone, expect major turbulences with the big boss coming to Shanghai for the 100 years of the CP begining July.

Even some veggie places are being affected by this and besides our hobby being affected the whole city will be under serious scrutiny.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2572952]Reminder to evryone, expect major turbulences with the big boss coming to Shanghai for the 100 years of the CP begining July.

Even some veggie places are being affected by this and besides our hobby being affected the whole city will be under serious scrutiny.[/QUOTE]Yep, noticed some places already closed, specially in central areas. How long do you think it will be until back to some kind of normal?

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2573624]Yep, noticed some places already closed, specially in central areas. How long do you think it will be until back to some kind of normal?[/QUOTE]Its expected things will go back to normal state around July 6th.

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2571117]My favorite gal at Wanping Lu informed that she switched parlour and now works at Ningxia Lu 348 (near Longde Road Station). I went there to explore and was impressed with facilities. The place looks anew and fresh. Girl asked if I wanted oil massage or lick massage. I said both are ok kkkk we finish with a HJ and paid $499 total.[/QUOTE]Is this gal #150 technician at the Champs Billow Spa? The other was not available.

Thank you very much for this.

Hi all,

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[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2574134]Its expected things will go back to normal state around July 6th.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up. Be careful y'all shit is hot. I was in a hostess bar that got raided. Scary. Do you have a reliable source or is that date just an estimate?

[QUOTE=Jslice1234;2575878]Thanks for the heads up. Be careful y'all shit is hot. I was in a hostess bar that got raided. Scary. Do you have a reliable source or is that date just an estimate?[/QUOTE]The whole city was preping for a visit from the big guy but he ended up staying in Beijing. So unless he postponed his trip to come for the 23rd of July things should go back to normal state.

As a matter of fact a couple shops which were meant to be closed 2 weeks until the 6th reopened earlier.

That being said, this hobby is still illegal and the ongoing fight against pornography and so on is still live all around the country. Just no more special treatment for shanghai because of CCPC 100th.

[QUOTE=Jslice1234;2575878]Thanks for the heads up. Be careful y'all shit is hot. I was in a hostess bar that got raided. Scary. Do you have a reliable source or is that date just an estimate?[/QUOTE]Which hostess bar you have been? I went on Thursday& Friday to J and M and it's been functioning normally. But the G' were less and 99% of them were not-MCOT though. I miss old days in this bars.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2576316]Which hostess bar you have been? I went on Thursday& Friday to J and M and it's been functioning normally. But the G' were less and 99% of them were not-MCOT though. I miss old days in this bars.[/QUOTE]I was up in Blues bar right there next to Manhattans. I usually pop in there for some friskies and pop out. Kind of my MO. What does non-MCOT mean?

Yea man I know the girls at these bars so the go the extra mile. If you know what I mean. Cops busted in caught me off guard. Never happened before. I thought those places would be safe cause they generally are left alone because they maintain at least plausible deniability for police. And nobody sees shit they're not supposed to.

[QUOTE=Jslice1234;2576546]I was up in Blues bar right there next to Manhattans. I usually pop in there for some friskies and pop out. Kind of my MO. What does non-MCOT mean?

Yea man I know the girls at these bars so the go the extra mile. If you know what I mean. Cops busted in caught me off guard. Never happened before. I thought those places would be safe cause they generally are left alone because they maintain at least plausible deniability for police. And nobody sees shit they're not supposed to.[/QUOTE]Wow, it's a surprise as honestly I thought the same too as you thought, it's safe and sound. The girls were not my cup of tea (MCOT). It's sad but interesting as first time I hearing a fellow monger got in a raid. So what they did to you. Just a warning and let you go? It will be interesting if you mention in details. Not to rub the salt in your wounds, just it will make us aware on how to move in this situations.

Now I realize why last Friday it was closed as only 1 WG girl was standing outside.

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2567500]I met my favorite viet, she has a Yakuza-style tattoo in her back and very petit body with turbo in her tits. Agreed on $1.2 K. At the fight, this time she didn't BBJ w / o condom, finished in a usual missionary 1 round only.[/QUOTE]Hey Ovocru, that sounds like exactly MCOT to me!

Tried to PM you but your mailbox isn't open.

Would be very grateful (If you would be willing to take the trouble and PM me her WeChat? I will be good to her and she will be grateful I suppose.

P.

Anybody got a beat on spots in Pudong? I'm really losing it here after this crackdown.

I went to M this weekend. It was around 23 h and the place was packed. Quite a few beauties walking around. I was approached by the girl. A Viet (low 20's), slim body and turbo tits. She starts asking 2 k until we agree on 1.5 k. She does not have a place, so we have to go to mama san's hotel (north of JingAn), which is another 200. Total damage: 1.7 k.

At the room I had my mixed feelings. She rushed every second, from the beginning until the end. But I had the feeling that she is so young and new to this profession, so she allowed me to do some extra things: BJ w / o condom and French kissing. To not finish early, I varied positions: missionary, dog style and wild horse riding.

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2581483]I went to M this weekend. It was around 23 h and the place was packed. Quite a few beauties walking around. I was approached by the girl. A Viet (low 20's), slim body and turbo tits. She starts asking 2 k until we agree on 1.5 k. She does not have a place, so we have to go to mama san's hotel (north of JingAn), which is another 200. Total damage: 1.7 k.

At the room I had my mixed feelings. She rushed every second, from the beginning until the end. But I had the feeling that she is so young and new to this profession, so she allowed me to do some extra things: BJ w / o condom and French kissing. To not finish early, I varied positions: missionary, dog style and wild horse riding.[/QUOTE]Can you tell us more details about the mama san hotel? Did you have to register? Or was it just a place that the mama san has access to, and so you guys could just freely walk into the room?

I have read probably at least a hundred reports on M and J, and this is the first that I am hearing about a mama san hotel. Can others elaborate on it?

TIA.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2562404]Do you know her #? As per other reports it was BJ whereas you mention HJ?[/QUOTE]Hi guys,

Just checked out the place but it seems to have shut down recently. All under renovation it seems. So for bros trying to look for champ billows spa.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2562659]Very easy to find. Just enter Zunyi lu from Changning, and it's on the right side of the road, 2 F. Big sign with yellow and white lettering. At night they even have one of those blue spotlight things projecting on the ground. You can't miss it.[/QUOTE]Thanks to bro Rodneey, found the place quite easily.

Giving my FR to share here on the experience as my first report.

Name: Ma.

Time / Date: July 2021.

Age:23.

GFE: 4/5.

Look: 4/5.

Body: 4/5 (slight baby fat and C).

Repeat: maybe.

On a hunt today, went to the location as recommended by bro Rodney.

I went in the afternoon and it was pretty quiet. Apparently it becomes busier in the evenings.

I walked up and was ushered into a room directly bypassing the counter. Was probably taken for a local here.

Asked the guy attendant for someone younger and pretty.

Lady entered the room as I was showering and she was quite good looking.

SYT, 160 cm, well proportioned.

From yunnan province and we started tentatively where she did the usual massage. Not the piano type but not great either.

Started from the back and you know something could be up when she starts brushing her legs against your hands. .

Moved to the legs and applied oil massage and slowly started teasing the brother below.

Now a little awake, she had me turn over while moaning as she kisses the body.

The GQ was popped and she asked my favourite position. I told her a couple but she could not do FS as there is a no activity policy there in the shop. Could only do COB or HJ with additional charge.

Negotiated quite a bit and ended up with BBBJ for more cash then I would like to spare.

Now fully engaged, had her semi-naked with her "mountains" sticking out and fingering her very wet.

Both excited, deep moans and etc. I managed to blow my load in her mouth which she did not complain but commented that it is quite a mouthful.

She asked me to bring an "umbrella" the next time I go and perhaps we can do something more.

Got her WeChat to book her the next time I return to shanghai.

Sextified- left the place and paid the counter the 398 after confirming that I do not want to be a member.

Not sure how much to share but hope it gives a feel of the place.

Go experience on your own to know.

[QUOTE=SprayMe;2583926]
Negotiated quite a bit and ended up with BBBJ for more cash then I would like to spare.
Sextified- left the place and paid the counter the 398 after confirming that I do not want to be a member.[/QUOTE]Thanks, good report but not very clear on the price you paid in total.

[QUOTE=SprayMe;2583926]Could only do COB or HJ with additional charge.

.[/QUOTE]HJ comes with the 398 massage at this place. No tip required.

[QUOTE=SprayMe;2583926]Negotiated quite a bit and ended up with BBBJ for more cash then I would like to spare.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. How much did you tip?

[QUOTE=SprayMe;2583926]Thanks to bro Rodneey, found the place quite easily.

Giving my FR to share here on the experience as my first report.

Name: Ma.

Time / Date: July 2021.

Age:23.

GFE: 4/5.

Look: 4/5..[/QUOTE]I'd definitely recommend going. Ma has a beautiful body. Good GF experience. I came on her face. I go weekly. There's also a 28 year old stunner. She gave me full service the 3rd time I visited.

[QUOTE=TheM;2586008]I'd definitely recommend going. Ma has a beautiful body. Good GF experience. I came on her face. I go weekly. There's also a 28 year old stunner. She gave me full service the 3rd time I visited.[/QUOTE]How much is the extra cost you pay to attain this kind of services?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2584265]HJ comes with the 398 massage at this place. No tip required.[/QUOTE]Thanks Midwestern.

I went to the same place for the first time earlier this week, and also got the 398 service. I can confirm that it comes with HJ, without tip. The receptionist asked me on the way out whether I wanted a VIP card, and I simply declined.

In fact, this visit was slightly odd, in that no additional services were offered or pushed. I was in a mellow mood, and it was quite pleasant to have a session with HJ without any negotiations of any kind.

The girl was number 22, nice looking, good attitude, friendly, a decent effort on the actual massage, an hour well spent, and I may well repeat.

Now, everybody has different tastes, and I have to admit that I like the little spinners. From what I have seen, this place is not for that. Unusually for me, I actually asked to replace the first girl that arrived, because she was just too hefty for my liking. Two girls then appeared, one quite heavy-set, and number 22, who was fine, but definitely not skinny.

I am still sad about the closure of places like the one close to Jiashan Lu metro station, which was stacked with young skinny little numbers. Any thoughts where I could find girls in my preferred weight class these days?

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2587869]How much is the extra cost you pay to attain this kind of services?[/QUOTE]I paid 300 tip for FS from the 28 year old. I forgot what her number is. I think 16, but I haven't been in a while. Paid 500 for Ma to give me BJ. Ma is number 55.

[QUOTE=Fisherman2;2588817]Thanks Midwestern.

I went to the same place for the first time earlier this week, and also got the 398 service. I can confirm that it comes with HJ, without tip. The receptionist asked me on the way out whether I wanted a VIP card, and I simply declined.

In fact, this visit was slightly odd, in that no additional services were offered or pushed. I was in a mellow mood, and it was quite pleasant to have a session with HJ without any negotiations of any kind.[/QUOTE]Same for me. I've not been to this place for a couple of months but each time it has been a full hour session with a fairly decent massage + HJ for 398. I can't be bothered with negotiations either. It's just nice to chill, and 500 for a quick BJ just doesn't seem worth it to me. A couple of the gals have undone their bras for a kiss and fondle without asking for tips (one was #50 but not sure if she's there anymore), maybe not enough action for some of you, but works for me.

Anyway weather doesn't seem too bad at the moment, despite new covid cases in nearby regions and extra checks going into offices etc. Though I guess that could change at any moment, so as always, stay safe.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2589160]Same for me. I've not been to this place for a couple of months but each time it has been a full hour session with a fairly decent massage + HJ for 398. I can't be bothered with negotiations either. It's just nice to chill, and 500 for a quick BJ just doesn't seem worth it to me. A couple of the gals have undone their bras for a kiss and fondle without asking for tips (one was #50 but not sure if she's there anymore), maybe not enough action for some of you, but works for me.

Anyway weather doesn't seem too bad at the moment, despite new covid cases in nearby regions and extra checks going into offices etc. Though I guess that could change at any moment, so as always, stay safe.[/QUOTE]Agree with you on tip part as 500 for a BJ is way toooooooo much and please mongers don't spoil the scenes by hefty tipping. 99% of the time around 600-800 you can get a very nice G for FS for 1-2 hours. Let's spend money wisely will be my advice. I know it's hard to say No when the touching goes on middle leg but restraint.

I went to the Wangpin Lu. Champs Billows spa this weekend. Operations are working as usual. Safety protocols are in place to show green QR codes. The girl this time was #28, with natural boobs and meaty body. She looked around up 20's-low 30's, and was very friendly as we talked during the massage. After a few minutes, she grab my jr for a HJ. She does not give me BJ this time, but lick my balls instead. Total damage 499.

What's up in a Jingan. My favorite shop is closed again.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2594161]What's up in a Jingan. My favorite shop is closed again.[/QUOTE]Putuo and Jingan are under the scope for the past few days from what I heard.

Been out of the loop for a few years since I left. Might be back next year if any of the restrictions loosen up.

How's the weather been? Stormy or has it gotten better over the last 3 years?

A few weekends ago I went to M. I arrived at around 12.30 am, which I think its no longer a good time: all the stunners were gone (or are disappearing from Shanghai (Literally, the place had a ratio of 10 dudes for 1 girl, so it was not good to look for. Good thing is that now the girls dancing in the poles are now Chinese, instead of old Russian, so that was boost to get into the Asian vibes. I just met my favorite Viet girl there, with a tattoo on her back, we agreed on the usual 1.2 k / 1 pimp. We went to her place in north of jingan, first time I saw her emotional, because Vietnam is going into lock down. I used that in my favor to comfort her and have more like boyfriend-girlfriend experience. Since we know each other for a long date now, we had it without pressure on time and very calm and sweet. With her horse-hiding me.

I see so many places with the sign "SPA" around looking quite suspicious but prices on the menus are high. I wonder if these places offer only veg services or there is a code word or services not on the menu.

The aish123 website seems to be suspended. Anyone know the new website address?

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2601301]I see so many places with the sign "SPA" around looking quite suspicious but prices on the menus are high. I wonder if these places offer only veg services or there is a code word or services not on the menu.[/QUOTE]A lot of places will have two menus, a spa menu and a massage menu. If you order the most expensive item from the spa menu, then it likely includes a happy ending and some roaming. YMMV of course.

Some of these SPA places just have one menu. Again, if you order the most expensive item, then it likely comes with happy ending and some roaming. If you are a foreigner, then they might try to hit you up for a tip.

From the last 10 or so spas that I have visited, I think only one did not have a happy ending. The prices were around 699. Yep, prices have skyrocketed.

But again, the tell is the price. If a spa has a menu item for something like 228, that is not going to get you a happy ending. For some places, the most expensive item might be around 499, but I often get hit up for a tip in those places.

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2601301]I see so many places with the sign "SPA" around looking quite suspicious but prices on the menus are high. I wonder if these places offer only veg services or there is a code word or services not on the menu.[/QUOTE]Yes many MPs have opened or reopened lately. The ones which were lights off or closed in June are most definatly offering naughty services.

As Midwestern points out there are 2 types:

- Those with a door fee + tip fee.
- Those with a higher door fee but no tips allowed.

More and more places have gone semi veggie as in only HJ and fully clothed lady are delivered.

Often they provide normal massage service too (different providers) including to female guests. It makes raids more complicated as you can bust a naughty service or a fully legit one.
Some places offer BJ for extra price.
Some will offer nude massage and some kind of B2 B for extra price.
Very few will offer FS.

As for prices aside from some cheap place with 398 fee and no tips, most are in the 698 category. Some high end are 998 for normal girls and 1298 for prettier girls.

As for tip places its usually 398 to 590 for house fee and HJ its usually 200 to 300 to take their clothes off with full roaming, 400-700 for BJ or BJ+CIM, 700-1200 for FS.
Again it depends on the place, the age of the girls, their beauty and your "reputation in the shop" if you overpay once you are expected to overpay the following times. If you pay lower fee but are a frequent repeater they won't argue too much on price with you.

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2601301]I see so many places with the sign "SPA" around looking quite suspicious but prices on the menus are high. I wonder if these places offer only veg services or there is a code word or services not on the menu.[/QUOTE]Seasoned mongers Midwestern and Sinofaguo have summed it up very well. The only thing I'll add is that there are a few places at 398 and 498 with no need for tip, that will get you a mid-20's decent looking gal in short skirt stockings heels etc. Who'll get more or less naked with full roaming + HJ (but no BJ or FS), but the initial massage will be terrible or almost non-existent, the service will be a bit rushed, and you might be in and out in under 30 minutes. Fine though if you just want a pretty gal to get you off quickly. However these places are a bit more low key and might be harder to find for the uninitiated. Some of these places don't even have a menu at all either. You just walk in and the guy at the desk will know what you're after and will just walk you through.

I actually prefer the 60-70 min sessions at the more legit looking places where the gal may be a little older and more conservatively dressed, but you'll get a long decent satisfying massage and an expertly performed HJ to finish for the same price as above, but we all have different preferences I guess.

Several places are closed today due to potential raids. Stay safe.

I tried to go to the massage place at Wanping Lu this weekend, but the guy in the front desk said that full body massage was not on offer. I couldn't understand the reasons, because of my limited Chinese, all I could understand was that end of September may be back.

So, I went to store at Nignxia Lu in Longde Metro Station. I'm quickly taken to the room with showers inside. Massage girl shows up, beautiful lady in her upper 20's. She started to touch the jr. And I get excited. But this time she insisted in a fee to continue with a BJ. She asks 500. I could not leave that place without discharging my cum, so I said 300 maximum. She agreed. Gave me a BJ till I explode, but she took her mouth off when the moment came. Total damage was 499 for the place plus 300 for the girl. Unbelievable how inflation is hitting these places too.

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2604209]

So, I went to store at Nignxia Lu in Longde Metro Station. I'm quickly taken to the room with showers inside. Massage girl shows up, beautiful lady in her upper 20's. She started to touch the jr. And I get excited. But this time she insisted in a fee to continue with a BJ. She asks 500. I could not leave that place without discharging my cum, so I said 300 maximum. She agreed. Gave me a BJ till I explode, but she took her mouth off when the moment came. Total damage was 499 for the place plus 300 for the girl. Unbelievable how inflation is hitting these places too.[/QUOTE]It is now really hard to find any MP where BJ is part of the service. But a lot of the gals will offer BJ for a tip, and in my experience, it ranges from 300 to 500, and so 300 is a good deal IMHO, especially if it lasts until you pop.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2604775]It is now really hard to find any MP where BJ is part of the service. But a lot of the gals will offer BJ for a tip, and in my experience, it ranges from 300 to 500, and so 300 is a good deal IMHO, especially if it lasts until you pop.[/QUOTE]Indeed. I have made just over 20 visits to MPs since the beginning of the year, and out of all those, I've had just one CBJ without having to tip. I didn't ask for it either, she just got on with it though I'm not actually a fan of CBJ. So from my experience, this is the exception to the norm, and at nearly all places an additional fee will be required. Had BBBJ a couple of times in 2020 without tipping but not this year.

[QUOTE=ChitownBlues;2601646]The aish123 website seems to be suspended. Anyone know the new website address?[/QUOTE]Try [URL]http://www.aish123.in/[/URL].

Hopefully saving a couple of fellow hobbyists a trip: I can unfortunately confirm that both sides of Wanping Lu are completely veggie today. No 498 option, etc. Didn't fancy the foot massage that I was offered in both places ('do you also take care of the middle foot? And walked away to meatier places.

At least the weather is great today.

First off, thank you to all the posts that have guided me towards scratching the itch. I wanted to give back, so here are some my own experiences. Due to work and home life, I only do incalls and often have to be strategic with when and where I go. I know MR is very hit or miss, but in my opinion more reliable than MPs, so I wanted to post some gems.

Doris.

A very hot Viet with a place nearby J&M, service was good and better than her pictures. Price was as listed, scheduling was easy, although English was very low. Will repeat.

Pati.

Busty Latina located in northern Jing'an and towards Suzhou creek. Good service but very adamant about one pop. She was an absolute stunner, but for the price and distance, might not repeat unless its a special occasion. 3000 is a lot, but I'm a sucker for a giant rack and they were fantastic.

Cecilia.

Far out but very hot and passionate. Doable price, great service, and will let you use the hour as you please. The only downside is she's so far, but have repeated several times. One small issue was one time, she forgot the booking and asked me to wait 30 minutes. She seems to be heavily booked. Some reports have mentioned a see-section scar, and there is one, but not terrible.

Bella Supreme.

Definitely a tranny. There was something off, with low lighting and her voice. Located in the FFC is that's your cup of tea.

Mistress Shanghai and her other ads about women of P.

Amazing service and rack, multiple times in an hour, but beat face. Far out in Pudong, and pricier than most at 2600, I don't think I'll repeat.

This is a very helpful report. Please continue to post MR reports.

[QUOTE=WulumuqiLurker;2607939]First off, thank you to all the posts that have guided me towards scratching the itch. I wanted to give back, so here are some my own experiences. Due to work and home life, I only do incalls and often have to be strategic with when and where I go. I know MR is very hit or miss, but in my opinion more reliable than MPs, so I wanted to post some gems.

Doris.

A very hot Viet with a place nearby J&M, service was good and better than her pictures. Price was as listed, scheduling was easy, although English was very low. Will repeat.

Pati.

Busty Latina located in northern Jing'an and towards Suzhou creek. Good service but very adamant about one pop. She was an absolute stunner, but for the price and distance, might not repeat unless its a special occasion. 3000 is a lot, but I'm a sucker for a giant rack and they were fantastic.

Cecilia.

Far out but very hot and passionate. Doable price, great service, and will let you use the hour as you please. The only downside is she's so far, but have repeated several times. One small issue was one time, she forgot the booking and asked me to wait 30 minutes. She seems to be heavily booked. Some reports have mentioned a see-section scar, and there is one, but not terrible.

Bella Supreme.

Definitely a tranny. There was something off, with low lighting and her voice. Located in the FFC is that's your cup of tea.

Mistress Shanghai and her other ads about women of P.

Amazing service and rack, multiple times in an hour, but beat face. Far out in Pudong, and pricier than most at 2600, I don't think I'll repeat.[/QUOTE].

Stay safe. Cross district raids today.

The former spring which now has a y... Spa chain is a big target lately. Their Xietu road shop is now going to be perma veggie after over a month of being veggie.

The one in Madang which was commented on many times on this board was just raided this afternoon.
I counted 5 plain cloths who raided each room runing and 2 or 3 uniforms whom came later but I was told there were 10 in total. Some spoke Shanghainese so it was local police for sure, not a task force from BJ. If local police offers no warnings even to such a connected place it means things are really going to be dangerous the next few days. The whole place acted as if nothing wrong was happening. The pretty providers just deserted the place, and the place turned only veggie witout anyone find anything to say about it. I went with the flow myself rather than leaving to show I had nothing to fear and was doing nothing wrong :)

I later checked with providers of other locations of this famous chain, most locations will be veggie for the next few days and possibly until after the national holidays for some.

[QUOTE=WulumuqiLurker;2607939]First off, thank you to all the posts that have guided me towards scratching the itch. I wanted to give back, so here are some my own experiences. Due to work and home life, I only do incalls and often have to be strategic with when and where I go. I know MR is very hit or miss, but in my opinion more reliable than MPs, so I wanted to post some gems.

Doris.

A very hot Viet with a place nearby J&M, service was good and better than her pictures. Price was as listed, scheduling was easy, although English was very low. Will repeat.

Pati.

Busty Latina located in northern Jing'an and towards Suzhou creek. Good service but very adamant about one pop. She was an absolute stunner, but for the price and distance, might not repeat unless its a special occasion. 3000 is a lot, but I'm a sucker for a giant rack and they were fantastic..[/QUOTE]Hi,

With MR do you mean MassageRepublic?

Any way, I saw there some black but they seems scam. Any other options in SH market?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=WulumuqiLurker;2607939]First off, thank you to all the posts that have guided me towards scratching the itch. I wanted to give back, so here are some my own experiences. Due to work and home life, I only do incalls and often have to be strategic with when and where I go. I know MR is very hit or miss, but in my opinion more reliable than MPs, so I wanted to post some gems.

Doris.

A very hot Viet with a place nearby J&M, service was good and better than her pictures. Price was as listed, scheduling was easy, although English was very low. Will repeat.

Pati.

Busty Latina located in northern Jing'an and towards Suzhou creek. Good service but very adamant about one pop. She was an absolute stunner, but for the price and distance, might not repeat unless its a special occasion. 3000 is a lot, but I'm a sucker for a giant rack and they were fantastic..[/QUOTE]Hi,

With MR do you mean MassageRepublic?

Anyway, I saw some black there but they seem scam. Any other options in the market?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Emzchi;2609281]Hi,

With MR do you mean MassageRepublic?

Anyway, I saw some black there but they seem scam. Any other options in the market?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yeah massage republic. 90% of the MR African women seem to be wire scams because of the selling photos offers and registered phone numbers (some random country code is a major red flag). I usually google wechat IDs to see where else they've posted, compare the posts / photos, and see if they're listed on multiple cities / countries. I wouldn't worry about name changes, ladies rebrand from time to time (although sometimes it's to get a fresh profile and avoid a negative ad).

I have met with African ladies back in the Craigslist days, and honestly, the ads had been dodgy even when good service providers showed up (I could do outcalls back then). The way they operate reminds me a lot of Russians, with a WeChat linked to a group or "agency" more than any one girl, and a revolving door of models / students who are "on brand" and in the game that evening. I still see ads with the same handle (simple something) from 5-6 years ago that I met someone off of, but very different photos / women now.

I rarely go to J or M due to work and the possibility of being recognized, but I've been told J's might be the place, or Patio 1/2. From speaking to foreign working girls like Pati, they also have their own wechat groups where they do what we're doing here, and for abuse from Johns. Ask around.

I know two gals that work at the Madang location. After I read your post, I sent them a message, telling them that I heard the police visited the shop and asking them if they were okay. They were both shocked that I knew about the police raid, and asked me how I knew about it.

Anyway, with National Holiday, I suppose it is a very good idea to lay low this week and next week.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2608605]Stay safe. Cross district raids today.

The former spring which now has a y... Spa chain is a big target lately. Their Xietu road shop is now going to be perma veggie after over a month of being veggie.

The one in Madang which was commented on many times on this board was just raided this afternoon.
I counted 5 plain cloths who raided each room runing and 2 or 3 uniforms whom came later but I was told there were 10 in total. Some spoke Shanghainese so it was local police for sure, not a task force from BJ. If local police offers no warnings even to such a connected place it means things are really going to be dangerous the next few days. The whole place acted as if nothing wrong was happening. The pretty providers just deserted the place, and the place turned only veggie witout anyone find anything to say about it. I went with the flow myself rather than leaving to show I had nothing to fear and was doing nothing wrong :)

I later checked with providers of other locations of this famous chain, most locations will be veggie for the next few days and possibly until after the national holidays for some.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Emzchi;2609281]Hi,

With MR do you mean MassageRepublic?

Anyway, I saw some black there but they seem scam. Any other options in the market?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, he is referring to M Rep. That site is useful, but also has lots of scammers, and so his report was very helpful in IMHO. The other more famous site, ER, is just stale for Shanghai info.

[QUOTE=Emzchi;2609281]Hi,

With MR do you mean MassageRepublic?

Anyway, I saw some black there but they seem scam. Any other options in the market?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes I do. 90% of the MR African women seem to be wire scams because of the offers to sell photos / videos and their registered phone numbers not being +86 (a random country code is a major red flag to me, although it could also be how somebody set up a 2nd account for anonymity). I usually google wechat IDs to see where else they've posted, compare the posts / photos, and see if they're listed on multiple cities / countries. I wouldn't worry too much about name changes, ladies rebrand from time to time (although sometimes it's to get a fresh profile and avoid a negative ad).

I have met with African ladies back in the Craigslist days, and honestly, the ads had been dodgy even when good service providers showed up (I could do outcalls back then). The way they operate reminds me a lot of Russians, with a WeChat linked to a group or "agency" more than any one girl, and a revolving door of models / students who are "on brand" and in the game that evening. I still see ads with the same wechat ID ("simple" something) from 5-6 years ago that I met someone off of, but with very different photos / women now.

I rarely go to J or M due to work and the possibility of being recognized, but I've been told J's might be the place, and while at Patio 1/2 I've seen some possible freelancers. Also, from speaking to foreign working girls like Pati, the girls have their own whatsapp groups where they do what we're doing here, and to protect each other from abusive Johns. Ask around, most have a friend.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2610008]
Anyway, with National Holiday, I suppose it is a very good idea to lay low this week and next week.[/QUOTE]Yeah most places I know have decided to stay closed or go full veggie until after the holidays.

But even then I'm not sure they'll be able to service very long when the holidays are finished since soon after we will have the CIIE in Shanghai (Nov. 1st).

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2610009]Yes, he is referring to M Rep. That site is useful, but also has lots of scammers, and so his report was very helpful in IMHO. The other more famous site, ER, is just stale for Shanghai info.[/QUOTE]Thanks! What do you mean with ER?

Can anyone recommend a happy ending massage place for a newbie to Shanghai's scene? Also anyone know any places / contacts with a Chinese girl with very big breasts? Thanks guys.

Past by at Manhatten on Monday after midnight. A handful men inside, no ladies at all and some police men patrolling in and out. Didn't check out Judys, but guess the situation there is not better.

Somehow sad to see the old good times are gone.

[QUOTE=GuyxUK;2611938]Can anyone recommend a happy ending massage place for a newbie to Shanghai's scene? Also anyone know any places / contacts with a Chinese girl with very big breasts? Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]If your first post is not going to be a contribution but a request, you should at least bother reading the board (both your questions can be easilly answered reading past reports on this board which contributors have made).

[QUOTE=GuyxUK;2611938]Can anyone recommend a happy ending massage place for a newbie to Shanghai's scene? Also anyone know any places / contacts with a Chinese girl with very big breasts? Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]The Shanghai forum on ISG is one of the best for intel. If you read the past 100 posts, which will take only one hour, you will get up to speed. Everyone wrote those posts for the seasoned, for the newbies, and also for you.

I tried to go to M during the long holiday. Arriving at the street, cops (one car with 360 camera above pulled over in front of the bar and one patrol scooter pulled in the corner. No action, just collecting intel of people going in and out.

Tried out the site 91 Meimei yesterday, and figured I'd share some insights. My mandarin is okay which is good because chrome's translate function didn't seem to work. First off, you have to register to select a city. There's no authentication so you can put in any email. The site works a lot like how others had described that mshequ site. You need to buy and use their "coins" to unlock contact information. From other reports, people said you can post your reviews with hidden contact info to get coins (I'll explain how this affects users in a moment).

I chose to pay the 58 for 300 coins. After paying via QR, you need to input the last 8 digits of the transaction and your wechat name, then wait 5 minutes. I'm not sure if it's the ID or your name as it appears to others, so I tried both and can't say which did it. Bit uneasy having put that info in, but figured if there's a list, I'd would already be on it from the last 15 years.

I used coins 5 times (10-15 per), and results were very hit or miss. 3 were just QQ numbers which I don't have yet, one was a defunct wechat ID, and one was a wechat ID of somebody totally different from the photo posted. In their bio section, there were other phone numbers listed, and all those led to different people. I didn't add anybody as I wasn't ready to meet, and based on how little they resembled the original post, led me to wonder. What I'm guessing is somebody wanted coins and posted a photo that would get a lot of action.

Will report more when the time comes, but this site seems to be a lot of work and could lead to a lot of wasted time and catfishing. Anybody have insights?

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2604209]So, I went to store at Nignxia Lu in Longde Metro Station. I'm quickly taken to the room with showers inside. Massage girl shows up, beautiful lady in her upper 20's. She started to touch the jr. And I get excited. But this time she insisted in a fee to continue with a BJ. She asks 500. I could not leave that place without discharging my cum, so I said 300 maximum. She agreed. Gave me a BJ till I explode, but she took her mouth off when the moment came. Total damage was 499 for the place plus 300 for the girl. Unbelievable how inflation is hitting these places too.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info Ovocru, I went to this place for the second time last night. More or less same service as you describe. Clean modern place with pretty ladies.

Has anyone checked out the MP across the street from there (white sign with very dark tinted windows)? Is it our kind of place or is it veggie only?

Quite days since before the big holidays. Information from one of the guys working at the recently popular place on wanping lu tells me we could expect their business resuming after the CIIE, so around November 1st. I have been going there regularly for the last year, and it became my recent favorite for the fair pricing and the absolute lack of bullshit. It's clear what you get and for what you get it, no tipping no bargaining, and even tho the level of the girls is not super high, there are a couple of quite sexy and young ones. So, until after November 1st they are open but keeping this veggie. This mentioned staff who informed me also asked me a couple of times to go to an alternative location close to Suzhou creek where he says service is super nice and girls are top. Prices are 700,900 and 1200, depending on the level of the girl, for what I think is a classic massage + HJ, but I could be wrong. I asked him to show me the girls, and I wasn't appealed at all. Pictures were of the classic very retouched type and girls seemed to look or to want to look the type that locals most like which is not my cup of tea, so I will keep on waiting for my favorite three girls to be back to business in wanping lu.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2615963]Thanks for the info Ovocru, I went to this place for the second time last night. More or less same service as you describe. Clean modern place with pretty ladies.

Has anyone checked out the MP across the street from there (white sign with very dark tinted windows)? Is it our kind of place or is it veggie only?[/QUOTE]Is any landmark nearby to find out easily when you come out from metro?

Same here, was trying twice to find the place at Wanping road. Unfortunately I didn't make it both times.

Would really appreciate if you guys could share some detail explanation where the place is exactly.

[QUOTE=BootyBay;2617867]Same here, was trying twice to find the place at Wanping road. Unfortunately I didn't make it both times.

Would really appreciate if you guys could share some detail explanation where the place is exactly..[/QUOTE]Yes, it was very clearly explained in the group before. It's in a short lane that goes east from Wanping Nan Lu in front of where Xingeng Lu starts. After just less than 50 m on the right you will find a big entrance to an empty lobby with a large staircase that leads directly to the place on the second floor.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2617636]Is any landmark nearby to find out easily when you come out from metro?[/QUOTE]It's actually quite far from the metro. About 10-15 min walk. The full address has already been posted on this board, that's how I found the place.

This forum has been the penultimate source of amazing intel and I have always found myself guilty of not sharing enough. So here I go with a meager contribution of field reports to begin with:

Cecilia (from MR).

She looked stunning in pictures and the reviews seemed good enough. Easy to coordinate on WC / WA and her English is quite good. Called her a day earlier and she arrived on time. Brown (since she is an Indo) but Pretty and petite. Easy going friendly, quite passionate in bed and gives a good GFE except hesitant with DFK. A bit pricey if you want multiple shots.

Baobao (from NLO).

Cute and very friendly local though can not speak English. Decent face and figure, decent service (I felt she was rushing a bit). Not that good with DFK but is amazing at BBJ. She does that hot and cold water thing and if you are the one who can take it for long than you are in for a treat. Multiple shots OK. Slightly cheaper than others.

Maria (from NLO).

Looks much older than the pics. Though she strives to give good service, I won't repeat.

Cathy (from MR + her own website).

So far the best find I can say. Not the typical Chinese face but looks good. Though she will blow your brains out with her service. Went to her place multiple times already, nice apartment, speaks very good English. Not a time watcher, will sit and talk for a good 15-20 minutes and takes it slow. Loves DFK (actually for once I got tired but she wanted it). Loves to play with her toys and seems to love what she is doing. To top it all, anal is included.

Will get back if I missed anything or explore someone new. Till then, Happy Mongering .

This weekend before I go to Wangping Lu, I decided to text one of the providers which I happened to have her contacts and follow her dancing and exhibiting her slim body on DouYin (the Chinese TikTok), which kind of let met excited to see her again. She says that she is at home these days, and asked me to visit her. I was reluctant, but had no alternative besides go there. We agreed on 800 for service fee. I go to her place in the suburbs of Shanghai. She opens the door still on her pajamas. Let me shower and the service starts. Until that point I didn't know what to expect. But to my surprise, she gave me the same BJ w / o condom in the massage place. Later, she shows me condom and let me finish in a missionnaire. I felt quite happy, given that the service was more than I was hoping for (HJ) and probably the cheapest full service I had in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2619146]This weekend before I go to Wangping Lu, I decided to text one of the providers which I happened to have her contacts and follow her dancing and exhibiting her slim body on DouYin (the Chinese TikTok), which kind of let met excited to see her again. She says that she is at home these days, and asked me to visit her. I was reluctant, but had no alternative besides go there. We agreed on 800 for service fee. I go to her place in the suburbs of Shanghai. She opens the door still on her pajamas. Let me shower and the service starts. Until that point I didn't know what to expect. But to my surprise, she gave me the same BJ w / o condom in the massage place. Later, she shows me condom and let me finish in a missionnaire. I felt quite happy, given that the service was more than I was hoping for (HJ) and probably the cheapest full service I had in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Great insights, Ovocru, thanks.

Would you share her masseur number so I can check her out next time that Wanping Nan Lu gets back to the good old service?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2619146]This weekend before I go to Wangping Lu, I decided to text one of the providers which I happened to have her contacts and follow her dancing and exhibiting her slim body on DouYin (the Chinese TikTok), which kind of let met excited to see her again. She says that she is at home these days, and asked me to visit her. I was reluctant, but had no alternative besides go there. We agreed on 800 for service fee. I go to her place in the suburbs of Shanghai. She opens the door still on her pajamas. Let me shower and the service starts. Until that point I didn't know what to expect. But to my surprise, she gave me the same BJ w / o condom in the massage place. Later, she shows me condom and let me finish in a missionnaire. I felt quite happy, given that the service was more than I was hoping for (HJ) and probably the cheapest full service I had in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]I would estimate that about a quarter of them are willing to do outcall, but after their shift is over, and that can be very late. But very very few of them can do incalls because most of them live in the dorm that is provided by the MP. When they do live in an apartment, they oftentimes have a roommate. And so if you can find an MP gal that has her own place, and is willing to see you at her place, then that is totally a keeper. However, even then, there's the problem of noisy neighbors. If they see guys coming and going into a girl's apartment, they might call the police. So try not to stick out. This might be hard to do if you are white.

I've been reading this forum (China threads) silently for the past several years and it has been a great guide. Decided it is time to make my first contribution, and as it is the first, I ask my comrades to please not judge me too harshly.

I don't particularly like MP settings, neither do I trust agencies, so my scene is normally freelancers picked from various websites / classified ads. So, below are some choices that I can vouch for from among the girls currently advertising themselves on MR, EEG and NLO websites:

Cathy – MR.

What many members before me wrote about her is all true: she is a marvel when comes to PSE, all kinds of extreme play. So if you value this kind of pastime over anything else, she is definitely your choice. As to her looks: very toned body (at least it was a couple of years ago), butt muscles and all, but I wouldn't rank her face above 5. Not typical Chinese looks either, if that's your thing, and her age should be somewhere a bit 40 now.

Personality-wise she is very friendly and speaks great English, so connecting with anyone will not be a problem I imagine.

Cherry – MR & NLO.

Very nice body figure and pretty face, initiative and eager to please. Pretty cool personality, a bit shy in the beginning, but it was my one and only experience with her, and I had quite a few drinks before our meeting, so her shyness could be attributed to that.

Not your regular Chinese starfish, so if you appreciate a good GFE and are into pretty Chinese girls – she is the one for you.

Hu Jing – MR, NLO & EEG.

Never tried full service with her, but her massage and BBBJ are of higher tier level. Quite pretty and tall, with amazing hair, and very youthful face and body (not sure of her real age, but I'd assume she is below 30). I met her a few times, and well Hu Jing is very easy going, talkative and bubbly lady. I think anyone would feel relaxed and comfortable with her.

Alice. MR.

Real deal, anal and everything else she advertises, although I would not recommend her. Perhaps it is a matter of taste, but she is on a chubbier side, not particularly hygienic or pretty and on top of that rather passive. More of a starfishy type of experience.

Sunrise – MR (WOP).

The mamasan of this group of ladies who is a courtesan herself. Nice personality, and good service that doesn't feel like a service. But the looks are so-so. Like most of her ladies she is not the youngest of the bunch, so face and body rated 5.

Vanessa / Venus – MR & EEG.

A little bit on an artificial side of pretty, does only outcalls to 5-star hotels. Overall experience was good, and she gives good anal. But can't say it was anything special, probably wouldn't repeat. The bonus is that she is not Chinese, or not 100% Chinese (Malaysian) – so like some of the girls above she is way above the regular starfish level.

BellaSupreme – MR & EEG.

Must agree with WulumuqiLurker, she has the looks, voice and behavior of a tranny. And quite erratic at that: if you contact her and not book or cancel she'll go nuts, block you and probably post some dirty stuff about you wherever the girls do that. If trans is your thing, I suppose go for it, though, as her figure (that ass!) is stunning and she'll do practically anything you will ask for.

Carla / Jessica – MR & EEG.

One of the very few real-deal ebony girls in Shanghai!! She really does A-level, very active in bed, pretty, young and slim. A great find for any anal connoissier who is into black girls. She does know how to please a man in quite a few ways and also likes to be pleased: proactively proposes DATY /69 and so forth.

Joan – MR (WOP).

Again a member of WOP, unlike most of them not so old, but wouldn't call her pretty either. Whatever is said about her on the website is absolutely true (also true for the rest of WOP – they don't lie) – she is the ultimate PSE. I had a session with her once, and she literally put my whole foot up her butt, as a demonstration of her unique abilities. No English though, so don't expect a quick connection.

Sunflower. WOP.

Not sure why she is not advertised anywhere (including WOP own website), but if you ask Sunrise for A-Level, she will be on the menu. An absolutely Wow service, on a submissive side, takes (and loves!) very rough play. Great body figure, slim and agile, with a rather pretty face to be her age (I suppose also around 40).

Cindy – WOP.

If you like big women she is your choice: she is not short and quite muscular. Doesn't boast a pretty face though, and like the rest of WOP is on the older side. Not my thing at all, and the session I had with her was not a memorable experience at all, so can't share more than that.

Ads to avoid:

Lee Gemma (MR & EEG) – an agency that will send you an ugly fat dirty and old Chinese woman from some village.

Cyndy (MR & EEG) – seams to be real ebony, but pics are so much retouch you can barely recognize her when you meet in person. Needless to say not worth a try, unless you are into ebony BBW.

Most other black girls ads on both websites with wechat IDs like "blackispure", "linkatme" and their variations. Those are also agencies, operated from abroad I think. Will pair you with a random ugly black girl with terrible service and inflated price.

[QUOTE=Kilkelly4u;2627646]I've been reading this forum (China threads) silently for the past several years and it has been a great guide. Decided it is time to make my first contribution, and as it is the first, I ask my comrades to please not judge me too harshly.[/QUOTE]Wow, Kilkelly4u, what a fantastic first post! Thank you very much for all the detailed information, and welcome to the club!

Great first report Kilkelly4 u.

[QUOTE=Kilkelly4u;2627646]I've been reading this forum (China threads) silently for the past several years and it has been a great guide. Decided it is time to make my first contribution, and as it is the first, I ask my comrades to please not judge me too harshly.
Alice. MR.

Real deal, anal and everything else she advertises, although I would not recommend her. Perhaps it is a matter of taste, but she is on a chubbier side, not particularly hygienic or pretty and on top of that rather passive. More of a starfishy type of experience.[/QUOTE]I remember looking at Alice on MR but passed when I noticed she / he was advertising on other websites as a post op TS.

[URL]https://ts4rent.eu/fanyuxuan[/URL]

Is it the person from the photos?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2628252]Great first report Kilkelly4 u.

I remember looking at Alice on MR but passed when I noticed she / he was advertising on other websites as a post op TS.

[URL]https://ts4rent.eu/fanyuxuan[/URL]

Is it the person from the photos?[/QUOTE]I don't think so. Although some photos do look similar, her real self is a far cry from these pics. She is way heavier than that, and you know, the fat accumulates differently on men (even hormone treated and post-op) and women. Plus the voice, definitely a girl's one.

[QUOTE=Kilkelly4u;2627646]I've been reading this forum (China threads) silently for the past several years and it has been a great guide. Decided it is time to make my first contribution, and as it is the first, I ask my comrades to please not judge me too harshly.

I don't particularly like MP settings, neither do I trust agencies, so my scene is normally freelancers picked from various websites / classified ads. So, below are some choices that I can vouch for from among the girls currently advertising themselves on MR, EEG and NLO websites:
.[/QUOTE]Agree with what others have said. Great report. The negative reviews are particularly helpful.

[QUOTE=Kilkelly4u;2627646]I've been reading this forum (China threads) silently for the past several years and it has been a great guide. Decided it is time to make my first contribution, and as it is the first, I ask my comrades to please not judge me too harshly.

I don't particularly like MP settings, neither do I trust agencies, so my scene is normally freelancers picked from various websites / classified ads. So, below are some choices that I can vouch for from among the girls currently advertising themselves on MR, EEG and NLO websites: [/QUOTE]Truly a well written and informative report! This was appreciated.

Has anyone tried ubergirls (dot) me? I assume it's largely agents supplying girls by fake pictures, but possibly there's some real ads as well? At least some of the foreign girls mentioned seemed to be a bit more legit.

Found this girl though when browsing the Manilla pages, for those who are acive on MR you've seen here there for years.

[URL]https://www.ubergirls.me/e/292409[/URL]

JB.

[QUOTE=JayBird;2629198]Truly a well written and informative report! This was appreciated.

Has anyone tried ubergirls (dot) me? I assume it's largely agents supplying girls by fake pictures, but possibly there's some real ads as well? At least some of the foreign girls mentioned seemed to be a bit more legit.

Found this girl though when browsing the Manilla pages, for those who are acive on MR you've seen here there for years.

[URL]https://www.ubergirls.me/e/292409[/URL]

JB.[/QUOTE]Never saw this site before. But that said, I gave up on these kinds of sites a long time ago. The person that arrives is not the one in the picture. And there's upselling followed by rushed service. However, I noticed that Wenli advertises on there, and she's legit. I saw her about a half dozen times a few years ago.

Is it safe to visit MPs now, given that the international expo is over? Today, I met an MP gal for lunch. She is going back to her hometown later tonight. She told me that in the past month, the police came to her shop a dozen times (I am sure this is an exaggeration, but it is still telling). Therefore, she just decided to quit the profession. However, she only arrived to Shanghai a little over a month ago, and so I am thinkng that she is just the victim of bad timing, coming to Shanghai during the expo.

[QUOTE=JayBird;2629198]Truly a well written and informative report! This was appreciated.

Has anyone tried ubergirls (dot) me? I assume it's largely agents supplying girls by fake pictures, but possibly there's some real ads as well? At least some of the foreign girls mentioned seemed to be a bit more legit.

Found this girl though when browsing the Manilla pages, for those who are acive on MR you've seen here there for years.

[URL]https://www.ubergirls.me/e/292409[/URL]

JB.[/QUOTE]That's definitely one of the Viets who shared an apartment with Candy that had a revolving door of visitors.

Besides a higher proportion of scan ads, I looked through and noticed quite a few well-known foreign servicers on this website who have since left (some before the pandemic time even), and also noticed the absence of several who are active now on MR. My guess is they don't ever take down an ad for inactivity. You can always count on seeing Wenli no matter the platform haha.

Some of the foreign / legit ads who are on this site but not on MR could be worth trying. MR requires payment and advertising is always a risk so once girls have a rotation they tend to take a step back from websites. This is especially true for true independents who are up to other things here. Might find a hidden gem.

Been stuck in my city for a while, there's a gal I used in shanghai and she got in touch last week. She's looking for clients, she's petite and cute, that's my taste anyway. If you want to know, send me a pm. She sent a buncha pics to me, can share if you feel itchy. Not sure if she can do incall. As for price and service, you can ask her, would I recommend? Yeh I had a good time.

[QUOTE=JayBird;2629198]Truly a well written and informative report! This was appreciated.

Has anyone tried ubergirls (dot) me? I assume it's largely agents supplying girls by fake pictures, but possibly there's some real ads as well? At least some of the foreign girls mentioned seemed to be a bit more legit.

Found this girl though when browsing the Manilla pages, for those who are acive on MR you've seen here there for years..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the praise JB and all the rest of y'all. Glad to be of help.

The girl by your link is Sansan, also goes by Rosie or Yue Yue. She is legit and quite nice, but anal was not provided albeit advertised (she said I was to big, though last I checked I fall well within the average).

As to the rest of the website. There are a number of girls that are legit, and some that I can highly recommend (like Sindee. OMG she is gorgeous! Sadly though, Sindee left Shanghai having promised to come back but never did due to covid to the best of my knowledge. Same goes for Sansan I think.

Otherwise, this site is an aggregator, most of the ads are fake / clickbait etc. You can refer to my previous report, some ads do coincide.

That said, if any of you mates have contacts of girls advertising online and want to check if they are for real, please ask. I'll try to help. My previous post doesn't cover all online freelancers I have experience with. Just those that are running ads right now on MR and EEG, but there may be some who took their ads down and remained in Shanghai flying under the radar.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2629261]Is it safe to visit MPs now, given that the international expo is over? Today, I met an MP gal for lunch. She is going back to her hometown later tonight. She told me that in the past month, the police came to her shop a dozen times (I am sure this is an exaggeration, but it is still telling). Therefore, she just decided to quit the profession. However, she only arrived to Shanghai a little over a month ago, and so I am thinkng that she is just the victim of bad timing, coming to Shanghai during the expo.[/QUOTE]Lets say its much better than it was from end September to 11th of November. Still, there has been police changes in Shanghai in the past months and as a result shops have to pay more and some either don't want to or have had bad business already and can't do it. Since they don't pay the police will harass them until they do or get unlucky with a raid and raise the performance stats of the raiders.

Several girls have retired due to the October raids, several had already retired the past year.

Our hobby is under great pressure sadly and with the olympics and the big meeting for election of the chairman October 2022, we are going to enter yet another complicated year (summer to November 2017 wasn't too great if you remember).

[QUOTE=Kilkelly4u;2628364]I don't think so. Although some photos do look similar, her real self is a far cry from these pics. She is way heavier than that, and you know, the fat accumulates differently on men (even hormone treated and post-op) and women. Plus the voice, definitely a girl's one.[/QUOTE]Ok good to know thanks.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2629261]Is it safe to visit MPs now, given that the international expo is over? Today, I met an MP gal for lunch. She is going back to her hometown later tonight. She told me that in the past month, the police came to her shop a dozen times (I am sure this is an exaggeration, but it is still telling). Therefore, she just decided to quit the profession. However, she only arrived to Shanghai a little over a month ago, and so I am thinking that she is just the victim of bad timing, coming to Shanghai during the expo.[/QUOTE]Hi MW,

To me things seem quite relaxed at this moment. All places with curtains pulled during the expo are open, and since the 10th, I have been to 3 different MPs, each one in a different part of the city, and haven't felt in any danger. I've even noticed some new places out west. I'm trying to get several visits in before the weather undoubtedly turns bad in the run up to CNY. So although things don't seem so bad right now, discretion is still very much the order of the day.

Anyone been to the. Wanping xietu massage parlour recently and had any luck? I went 3 weeks ago and asked for. The 499 but they told me no have. I wonder if it. Has. Gone completely veggie.

[QUOTE=GuyxUK;2630404]Anyone been to the. Wanping xietu massage parlour recently and had any luck? I went 3 weeks ago and asked for. The 499 but they told me no have. I wonder if it. Has. Gone completely veggie.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Not the news you wanted, but I went earlier this week (Tuesday or Wednesday), and still no 499 option.

[QUOTE=Fisherman2;2630705]Hi,

Not the news you wanted, but I went earlier this week (Tuesday or Wednesday), and still no 499 option.[/QUOTE]This place was SO out in the open about their naughty services. I could not believe all the scantily clad women at this place. I stopped going, fearing a raid. That said, I started to notice that some SPA places are advertising something called a soft massage. LOL. I tried it at a few places and YMMV, but the providers were definitely nothing special.

[QUOTE=GuyxUK;2630404]Anyone been to the. Wanping xietu massage parlour recently and had any luck? I went 3 weeks ago and asked for. The 499 but they told me no have. I wonder if it. Has. Gone completely veggie.[/QUOTE]I have intel from a guy working there, and yes it is still veggie with no signs of when coming back to business if ever in the foreseeable future, although we all know this could change anytime. If it does, I will be ready to let you guys know here.

Your question comes at the perfect timing though since I was about to inform of an alternative place on Jumen Rd 293. They guy from the Wanping Rd place recommended me to, and so did one of the girls who used to work at Wanping Rd, who just moved there. It is not clear but it sounds like the new jumen is related to wanping, although I don't know at which level now. But at least we can say some of the girls moved from one place to another. This plus the fact that the guy working at wanping ended up suggesting me to go there after asking him for the state of things on wanping several times, tells that probably things on wanping won't go back to what it used to be for a while, or at least there's no plan for it so far.

The place is easy to find, although there are several business sharing that number. Just go upstairs on the only spa in that location and enjoy the same service that you used to on wanping Road for the same 499.

Hope this helps, I found myself missing that wanping road quite a bit and it's been very nice to know about the new place.

I went to Ningxia Lu and businesss as usual. $499 for quick massage and small fee for the girl for the extra.

[QUOTE=WulumuqiLurker;2607939]First off, thank you to all the posts that have guided me towards scratching the itch. I wanted to give back, so here are some my own experiences. Due to work and home life, I only do incalls and often have to be strategic with when and where I go. I know MR is very hit or miss, but in my opinion more reliable than MPs, so I wanted to post some gems.

Doris.

A very hot Viet with a place nearby J&M, service was good and better than her pictures. Price was as listed, scheduling was easy, although English was very low. Will repeat.

[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot WulumuqiLurker for this review. Following your review I hooked up with Doris22 two weeks ago, her (tiny) place is walking distance from M&J. She's very hot. Face and body. And provided excellent service. DATY, cowgirl and a GFE generally. Better Mandarin than English. Worth going back even though I paid 2 k.

Afterwards (11 pm) I went to check out M and at a later stage J both of which seemed to back to business as usual. M was mostly Viet and Chinese, with the Chinese girls seemingly more willing to engage with foreign clients. Have Chinese clients become more careful because of the recent developments? There were quite a few locals in groups just having fun and leaving together, without girls.

Only saw some police around the dodgy bar opposite J (once had a rip-off HJ in the back there on a very drunk night. OMG), but no visible police presence around M / J. Anyone else been down there more recently?

Went to J&M the other day. M seemed a touch more lively, with a couple of hot Viets lurking around (solid 9 or even 10 both face and body). They wanted 2 k for ST though with no special services on the menu. Long gone are the days of glory I fear (deep sigh).

BTW, anyone knows if there are Indian / Pakistani providers in Shanghai? Been here 5 years and haven't seen a single one even pre-covid.

Hi guys,

Dress warmly and watch out for stormy weather.

This afternoon, I made my way to the Jumen Lu place that was mentioned here recently, and was confronted with the sight of an imposing-looking policeman standing in the entrance, and then walking up and down the lobby. It is of course possible that he was just waiting for his buddy who was still finishing up, but I figured I should switch to plan b.

Arriving at a very low-key place near my office, I was informed they can't use the upstairs rooms at the moment, so no shower, etc.

Starting to see a pattern, I just went back to the office.

Stay safe everybody!

I went to M&J over the holidays. Arriving at 22 h, place was not packed at all, with quite a few spots to sit here and there. I'd say around 15-20 viet girls walking around. Some new faces too. Majority of them were asking 2. 0 k for short time. Petit girl with big tatoo in her back approaches me and we agree on 1. 2 k to go to her place in north of JingAn (near Changshou Lu). Service was good for the night. BJ and dog style to finalize on her.

[QUOTE=DopeyMopey;2536197]Two photos.[/QUOTE]You found "Valerie" she is Chinese whatever stories she told you.

She is also a mytho. Inventing stories as she can.

She speaks fluent English and French beside Chinese of course.

She has a lack of confidence in herself and also has some mental disorders. I knew her in 2018 from her bfriend at that time. The picture of her crawling on the ground is from 03-2017. I have more from her.

She came for a interview in my office and I fucked her on the low table while sending pics to her BF.

I fucked her also in shanghai with a US mate in 3 some, involving belt whiping.

Use condoms. And don't involve in a relation with her, she invents stories and put everyone in troubles.

[QUOTE=Ovocru;2645743]I went to M&J over the holidays. Arriving at 22 h, place was not packed at all, with quite a few spots to sit here and there. I'd say around 15-20 viet girls walking around. Some new faces too. Majority of them were asking 2. 0 k for short time. Petit girl with big tatoo in her back approaches me and we agree on 1. 2 k to go to her place in north of JingAn (near Changshou Lu). Service was good for the night. BJ and dog style to finalize on her.[/QUOTE]Yep, I popped into Ms last night just for a look around, and the scene was the same as you describe. Arrived just before 11 pm, not very busy, easy to find a seat, but plenty of young hot Viets in there at least a dozen wandering around. I just sat quietly with a beer and got approached by 3 or 4, who were quoting ST between 1.5 k and 2 k. The barman also mentioned to me that Ms will be moving location very soon to another place very close by he didn't say exactly where though.

As for HJ MPs, seems to be plenty of choice right now, especially in the usual areas.

[QUOTE=BabCom;2647159]You found "Valerie" she is Chinese whatever stories she told you.

She is also a mytho. Inventing stories as she can.

She speaks fluent English and French beside Chinese of course.

She has a lack of confidence in herself and also has some mental disorders. I knew her in 2018 from her bfriend at that time. The picture of her crawling on the ground is from 03-2017. I have more from her.

She came for a interview in my office and I fucked her on the low table while sending pics to her BF.

I fucked her also in shanghai with a US mate in 3 some, involving belt whiping.

Use condoms. And don't involve in a relation with her, she invents stories and put everyone in troubles.[/QUOTE]This looks more like a revenge porn post than a fair field report.

Our hobby is about having pleasure. Treating girls like shit and trying to dis them over the internet is unecessary to the least.

Went to M yday around 11, many Viets and new faces but most of them looks like genetically modified Thai ladyboy type. Some good looking and asking rate is 2 k for ST and 4 K for LT. Watched a big friging drama between a Chinese girl and guy (who was in a group) and fighting things.

Just had few beers and played with their dancing girl and on my way out it was around 1:30 am. While waiting for a taxi- a big woman approached and said ML. I said No but she was like only 200 and come to my home and will do whatever you want. Usually I don't but due to drunk- agreed as I was long waiting for good rimming and some PSE types. Walked until a red light and went inside a building- 6 or 7th floor by elevator and then one extra floor by stairs. 2 beds in a room, typical village type. Is she ugly, Yes. Is she old- Yes. I told her clearly I m not looking for sex even though she is ok to anal too- but all I taken was BJ, Rimming, face sitting and kinky stuffs. Unloaded and she swallowed and paid by cash 300- she was happy for that. While coming back saw 2-3 woman roaming around and all asking rates were 200.

So if anyone needs a quick unload and pse types. Walk the M street at 2 Am and sure you will find it. She really eats your ass.

We had a couple of local infections in Shanghai recently, and as a result thousands of people are now in lockdown. Many people have been locked down NOT because they were in close contact with a sick person, but they were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. So, think twice before going to an MP, going to an incall, or going to any other "naughty" place. Hopefully this blows over in a couple of weeks.

Hi Guys-.

Curious if anyone keeps up with Stephen. For many years, he contributed greatly to the forum and to the scene. I understood he got arrested after transitioning his business from a informational website to an escort service. He was a good guy, just got overconfident about his ability to navigate the China scene.

Steven is still in jail in Shanghai, currently doing his 5th year of his 12 year sentence. I will generally check in from time to time, how he is doing. Although since the COVID virus started, personal visits are no longer allowed in Qingpu prison. So only from hearsay right now, he is still okay (as far as you can say for someone locked up in a Chinese prison).

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2654850]Hi Guys-.

Curious if anyone keeps up with Stephen. For many years, he contributed greatly to the forum and to the scene. I understood he got arrested after transitioning his business from a informational website to an escort service. He was a good guy, just got overconfident about his ability to navigate the China scene.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NightLife17;2656138]Steven is still in jail in Shanghai, currently doing his 5th year of his 12 year sentence. I will generally check in from time to time, how he is doing. Although since the COVID virus started, personal visits are no longer allowed in Qingpu prison. So only from hearsay right now, he is still okay (as far as you can say for someone locked up in a Chinese prison).[/QUOTE]Thanks for thee update. 12 years is a long time in the hole.

It seems there's Steve's all over the ISG country threads, guys who start out as regular mongers trading insights, then leverage their knowledge into some form of pimping. The Peruvian and Costa Rican "Steve's" are also now doing hard time in prison. Dangerous way to make a living, but these guys develop a false sense of confidence and cockiness the longer they don't get caught. Steve's a great guy who felt he was providing a service that helped both mongers and WG's.

Steve's sad tale is also a great reminder to never reveal real name, phone, email, FB, etc to a WG, site like ISG or dating agency. Fake emails, burner SIMs, etc.

I haven't been to Shanghai in a long time and I noticed the forum doesn't have any good information about MPs lately. Is there any place working normally?

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2663912]I haven't been to Shanghai in a long time and I noticed the forum doesn't have any good information about MPs lately. Is there any place working normally?[/QUOTE]The answer to you is:

NO! : There are no longer any working place!

YES!: I am saying you should not go to China.

YES!: China do not welcome Foreigners going there for fun anymore!

No!: I am Not kidding!

Yes!: Go some where else.

Yes!: This is the real AG who went missing years ago!

No!: I am not trying to scare you.

Enjoy!

AG.

[QUOTE=AceGallant;2663932]The answer to you is:

NO! : There are no longer any working place!

YES!: I am saying you should not go to China.

YES!: China do not welcome Foreigners going there for fun anymore!

No!: I am Not kidding!

Yes!: Go some where else.

Yes!: This is the real AG who went missing years ago!

No!: I am not trying to scare you.

Enjoy!

AG.[/QUOTE]I am in Shanghai currently, just wanted to have an update on things.

Actually I just came from a reconnaissance tour around some old places that I knew and to my surprise many are still there (at least 3 or 4) and I can garantee they didn't turn veggie.

[QUOTE=AceGallant;2663932]The answer to you is:

NO! : There are no longer any working place!

YES!: I am saying you should not go to China.

YES!: China do not welcome Foreigners going there for fun anymore!

No!: I am Not kidding!

Yes!: Go some where else.

Yes!: This is the real AG who went missing years ago!

No!: I am not trying to scare you.[/QUOTE]I have to say your answers do not match with my personal experience as a white foreigner in SH over the last two or three months. The non-veggie MP scene is alive and well in SH (for the time being at least), and I have not been poorly treated in any of the places I've visited.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2664233]I have to say your answers do not match with my personal experience as a white foreigner in SH over the last two or three months. The non-veggie MP scene is alive and well in SH (for the time being at least), and I have not been poorly treated in any of the places I've visited.[/QUOTE]That's good to know. Could you share some of your places?

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2656343]Thanks for thee update. 12 years is a long time in the hole.

It seems there's Steve's all over the ISG country threads, guys who start out as regular mongers trading insights, then leverage their knowledge into some form of pimping. The Peruvian and Costa Rican "Steve's" are also now doing hard time in prison. Dangerous way to make a living, but these guys develop a false sense of confidence and cockiness the longer they don't get caught. Steve's a great guy who felt he was providing a service that helped both mongers and WG's.

Steve's sad tale is also a great reminder to never reveal real name, phone, email, FB, etc to a WG, site like ISG or dating agency. Fake emails, burner SIMs, etc.[/QUOTE]Is Steven is the guy who ran Shanghai nightlife kinda website? If I am right he is German I guess who put July's and other KTV things and charged a few for some other nightlife scenes?

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2664367]That's good to know. Could you share some of your places?[/QUOTE]Look further upthread and you'll see that I and others have already shared some places, maybe you could try some of those.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2664233]I have to say your answers do not match with my personal experience as a white foreigner in SH over the last two or three months. The non-veggie MP scene is alive and well in SH (for the time being at least), and I have not been poorly treated in any of the places I've visited.[/QUOTE]Fine then, Do anything you want but don't get caught, stay safe and take care!

Enjoy!

AG.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2664374]Is Steven is the guy who ran Shanghai nightlife kinda website? If I am right he is German I guess who put July's and other KTV things and charged a few for some other nightlife scenes?[/QUOTE]Some liked him and his services, but some were annoyed by him because he may have single handedly raised the market prices. In addition, he did not allow negative reviews. I actually liked him, especially when I was a noob to the Shanghai scene. He and his assistant both got busted. I feel bad for the guy. If he got a one or two year sentence, then I might say that he should have known this was possible, but a 12 year sentence is crazy.

Not long afterwards, Rain and some of her gals got busted too, but jail sentence was much shorter for them.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2665470]Some liked him and his services, but some were annoyed by him because he may have single handedly raised the market prices. In addition, he did not allow negative reviews. I actually liked him, especially when I was a noob to the Shanghai scene. He and his assistant both got busted. I feel bad for the guy. If he got a one or two year sentence, then I might say that he should have known this was possible, but a 12 year sentence is crazy.

Not long afterwards, Rain and some of her gals got busted too, but jail sentence was much shorter for them.[/QUOTE]

Hello all. Just stopping by to lurk. I haven't been to SH for quite a while. Interesting that the scene seems to still have some life in it.

I liked Steven. I met him for beers one night. We spoke often via text and message. The one time we met he seemed quite confident and concerned me enough to not see him face to face. I asked him if he felt safe. He believed he was lining the right pockets.

It's interesting that I did most of my China visits from 2009 to 2019. I still see the same names from back then. Baobab Cathy Maria. They have to be ancient! How's Beverly jones these days. ? Has she finally retired?

Good to see all the familiar screen names still active. Monger on for me!

Sam (wishes). He can in China.

Samcan.

Sam.

"Those were the days, my friend, we thought they'the never end" Check your PM box.

BJ.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2665470]Some liked him and his services, but some were annoyed by him because he may have single handedly raised the market prices. In addition, he did not allow negative reviews. I actually liked him, especially when I was a noob to the Shanghai scene. He and his assistant both got busted. I feel bad for the guy. If he got a one or two year sentence, then I might say that he should have known this was possible, but a 12 year sentence is crazy.

Not long afterwards, Rain and some of her gals got busted too, but jail sentence was much shorter for them.[/QUOTE]I didn't like the fact he was making money on our back for info we were posting for free here, on the singapore forum and another forum.

I didn't like either some girls who were charging 700 and had been reported for free on boards suddenly charged 1 k then 1. 2 k on his website (the girls had to pay a commission so I don't blame them but I blame the pimp).

I didn't like the fact either he was deleting negative comments even when not exagerated because as he said "it was making the girls loose business".

That being said his service did help people whom were just passing by and didn't wan't to do their homework.

While I believe he was silly for posting his private info and such and for thinking being a pimp was ok in China, I never wished him to get caught and spend 12 years in jail. He has my full compassion for that regardless of the rest.

Sam! Good to see you on here, man.

The scene in SH is not the same. I cannot speak for J and M, but everything else is scarce, pricy, or it sucks. That said, I still feel lucky to be able to monger a little bit. The trickiest bit are incalls. As you can imagine, things are strict here in the era of Covid. Authorities know and care about our whereabouts way more than ever.

You able to monger at all where you are at?

[QUOTE=SamCan;2665884]Hello all. Just stopping by to lurk. I haven't been to SH for quite a while. Interesting that the scene seems to still have some life in it.

I liked Steven. I met him for beers one night. We spoke often via text and message. The one time we met he seemed quite confident and concerned me enough to not see him face to face. I asked him if he felt safe. He believed he was lining the right pockets.

It's interesting that I did most of my China visits from 2009 to 2019. I still see the same names from back then. Baobab Cathy Maria. They have to be ancient! How's Beverly jones these days. ? Has she finally retired?

Good to see all the familiar screen names still active. Monger on for me!

Sam (wishes). He can in China.

Samcan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2666554]Sam! Good to see you on here, man.

The scene in SH is not the same. I cannot speak for J and M, but everything else is scarce, pricy, or it sucks. That said, I still feel lucky to be able to monger a little bit. The trickiest bit are incalls. As you can imagine, things are strict here in the era of Covid. Authorities know and care about our whereabouts way more than ever.

You able to monger at all where you are at?[/QUOTE]Just what I can get away domestically. I don't imagine it's going to change much. If projects open up for me overseas, I. On my way!

[QUOTE=SamCan;2666568]Just what I can get away domestically. I don't imagine it's going to change much. If projects open up for me overseas, I. On my way![/QUOTE]Hey man. As MW says — long time. Yeah the ShAnghai scene seems totally busted. Thank god I don't depend on that. Can't recall where you live but most of us stateside guys are doing Seekibg Arrangements. Fuck ton of work and expensive because it's US pricing but totally worth it. See the thread here in ISG if you want to catch up on SA. I see MW in there often.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2666739]Hey man. As MW says long time. Yeah the ShAnghai scene seems totally busted. Thank god I don't depend on that. Can't recall where you live but most of us stateside guys are doing Seekibg Arrangements. Fuck ton of work and expensive because it's US pricing but totally worth it. See the thread here in ISG if you want to catch up on SA. I see MW in there often.[/QUOTE]Has anybody had success with SA here in Shanghai?

[QUOTE=SamCan;2666568]Just what I can get away domestically. I don't imagine it's going to change much. If projects open up for me overseas, I. On my way![/QUOTE]I got back to states Sept. 2019-still stuck here after 26 years of traveling China-still have at least 75% of my "friends" we keep in touch. Looking forward to coming back, I think 1st qtr of 2023-I got to figure out which one first ha ha.

[QUOTE=Marty47;2667382]I got back to states Sept. 2019-still stuck here after 26 years of traveling China-still have at least 75% of my "friends" we keep in touch. Looking forward to coming back, I think 1st qtr of 2023-I got to figure out which one first ha ha.[/QUOTE]Hope your right. 2019 was my last trip to China to. Like you I have friends I keep in touch with who I would love to see again.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2667805]Hope your right. 2019 was my last trip to China to. Like you I have friends I keep in touch with who I would love to see again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marty47;2667382]I got back to states Sept. 2019-still stuck here after 26 years of traveling China-still have at least 75% of my "friends" we keep in touch. Looking forward to coming back, I think 1st qtr of 2023-I got to figure out which one first ha ha.[/QUOTE]Hey guys, good to see some familiar names and reliable posters from the past! If you guys can share your friends' contacts with me (via PM), then I can return the favor when you guys are finally able to return to Shanghai!

[QUOTE=WulumuqiLurker;2667101]Has anybody had success with SA here in Shanghai?[/QUOTE]I looked at SA in Shanghai a bunch of times. Was not tempting. But at one point I did try to sign up for an account and I got blocked.

If you are looking for an arrangement, then why not try to hook up with migrant workers, these are the gals that come from the rural parts of China to work in Shanghai. These are the waitresses, housekeepers, nannies, subway security guards, shopkeepers, cashiers, convenience store employees, etc. Many years ago, there was a guy in the Beijing thread that used to brag about his many, many hookups with these migrant workers, and I ignored him. However, in the past few years, I have discovered that he was right all along. These gals are lonely, they are poor, and they are extremely flattered when foreigners are interested in them. If you want pointers, then let me know.

A pretty easy target are masseuses, especially if they work at a jack shack. Many of them have BFs that pay for their rent (about 4,000 RMB per month) and provide a monthly stipend (from 6,000 to 10,000 RMB per month). I have had several of these kinds of arrangements, but I do not do them anymore, because getting out of these arrangements can be tricky.

I've transferred to SH. Can't believe the prices for Viet girls. Anyways, that's the market.

I have no idea where to go and what to look for. Health monitor is tracking me everywhere. Would really prefer to get a sugar baby migrant on the regular instead of hit and miss AMPS.

I bet the quality here has gone down like everywhere in the world but prices prolly going up too.

I need some attention though.

Any recommendations is appreciated. I'm in Pudong New.

Hi guys,

Hope you are all good and managing to find some fun in these adverse days.

Yesterday I received a call, and a local girl with a sweet voice told me about "men club services". My Chinese is alright, but I suggested to go on via wechat to better understand. She basically advertised two locations for what might be FS although she never mentioned it openly, and instead used the usual euphemisms. She shared pictures of girls, some of them looking quite nice, others still fine but too much on the side of what locals like; very retouched faces with augmented eye size and sharpened faces. But still a couple of them look quite young, natural, and with not obvious signs of image retouching. But yeah, who knows what could be found in place instead.

I'm curious to know if anyone has ever been approached via phone call. It was my first time. And I'm not sure if this is sign of an eventual trap or instead is business as usual.

Besides, on other topics, I'm still going regularly to my favorite MP (which many of you know, and I have talked about previously) and things seem fine as if nothing. 499 rmb for the usual massage HJ and no questions made, no tips necessary.

Hope you guys are doing good, stay safe!

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2668368]I've transferred to SH. Can't believe the prices for Viet girls. Anyways, that's the market.

I have no idea where to go and what to look for. Health monitor is tracking me everywhere. Would really prefer to get a sugar baby migrant on the regular instead of hit and miss AMPS.

I bet the quality here has gone down like everywhere in the world but prices prolly going up too.

I need some attention though.

Any recommendations is appreciated. I'm in Pudong New.[/QUOTE]Some punters have good luck with [URL]SEEKING.COM[/URL].

Let us know how you get on.

P13.

Shanghai is one of the last places on the planet I would use seeking tbh. In other major cities you could at least do a calculated guess on the number of millionaire competitors you'll have, in Shanghai you multiply that number by at least 50. So unless you don't mind dropping a few thousand dollars on a girl, Shanghai would be a serious no go for most guys on here.

I'll give you two examples from my anecdotal experience. First is a girl I spoke to on there, 19, about to go to one of the foreign unis in China, wanted a $200 meet up without any actual sugar! Subsequent meet-ups with sugar would be for 2 hrs max for $700 because she had to "study". LOL no.

Second anecdote, a p4 p Eastern European girl I picked up from tinder, was happy with 3 k CNY overnight as she was doing this part time. As soon as she got on seeking she started receiving offers of 10 k overnight minimum. It's been ridiculous to the point of guys flying her around the country offering her x0,000 rmb for entire weekends (sometimes entire weeks), always housed in 5 star hotels paid for by them. Last time I was in touch with her in the summer, she was up well over 500 k rmb in the space of 3 months.

That was my cue to respectfully bow out of seeking in this part of the world. When I'm outside China I'll be sure to return to the app.

Thanks for sharing this. I looked at seeking in Shanghai a few times during the past few years, and it did not look encouraging, and your experience further confirms my hunch.

In Shanghai, a young pretty gal can make a lot of money if she knows how to tap the markets of foreigners and rich Chinese men. Even MP gals are now asking for outrageous fees to meet outside, and if you say no then they have no problem moving on from you.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2670492]Shanghai is one of the last places on the planet I would use seeking tbh. In other major cities you could at least do a calculated guess on the number of millionaire competitors you'll have, in Shanghai you multiply that number by at least 50. So unless you don't mind dropping a few thousand dollars on a girl, Shanghai would be a serious no go for most guys on here.

I'll give you two examples from my anecdotal experience. First is a girl I spoke to on there, 19, about to go to one of the foreign unis in China, wanted a $200 meet up without any actual sugar! Subsequent meet-ups with sugar would be for 2 hrs max for $700 because she had to "study". LOL no.

Second anecdote, a p4 p Eastern European girl I picked up from tinder, was happy with 3 k CNY overnight as she was doing this part time. As soon as she got on seeking she started receiving offers of 10 k overnight minimum. It's been ridiculous to the point of guys flying her around the country offering her x0,000 rmb for entire weekends (sometimes entire weeks), always housed in 5 star hotels paid for by them. Last time I was in touch with her in the summer, she was up well over 500 k rmb in the space of 3 months.

That was my cue to respectfully bow out of seeking in this part of the world. When I'm outside China I'll be sure to return to the app.[/QUOTE]

Spa on Wanhangdu Road has closed temporarily due to Covid risk. Maybe the government meeting had a role as well. Any others closing?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2673205]Spa on Wanhangdu Road has closed temporarily due to Covid risk. Maybe the government meeting had a role as well. Any others closing?[/QUOTE]MPs that I know of, both veggie and naughty, are still open, kind of to my surprise! But things like any kind of class (e. G. , cooking, yoga, painting, etc.), gyms, schools, etc. Are all closed. I guess anything that entails a gathering are closed, but MPs are okay? I also walked around Shanghai all day today (the weather was great) and I noticed MPs and SPAs are open everywhere, including in Minhang, Changning, Hokou, and JingAn.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2673422]MPs that I know of, both veggie and naughty, are still open, kind of to my surprise! But things like any kind of class (e. G. , cooking, yoga, painting, etc.), gyms, schools, etc. Are all closed. I guess anything that entails a gathering are closed, but MPs are okay? I also walked around Shanghai all day today (the weather was great) and I noticed MPs and SPAs are open everywhere, including in Minhang, Changning, Hokou, and JingAn.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was surprised about that as well yesterday, when I wandered around in the sunshine.

Somewhat counterintuitively, the situation with MPs being open, but yoga classes closed, may make sense from a statistical perspective. Omicron is so contagious that doing yoga next to somebody may be (almost) as risky as a massage. If that is the case, at least the 1-1 massage is not a super-spreading event, while a yoga class can infect dozens.

Sort of related, I have seen a new, somewhat mysterious phrase in the official case announcements the past few days: "xx tested positive when they were screened as high-risk groups". Does anybody know if massage service providers are being especially screened these days?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2673422]MPs that I know of, both veggie and naughty, are still open, kind of to my surprise! But things like any kind of class (e. G. , cooking, yoga, painting, etc.), gyms, schools, etc. Are all closed. I guess anything that entails a gathering are closed, but MPs are okay? I also walked around Shanghai all day today (the weather was great) and I noticed MPs and SPAs are open everywhere, including in Minhang, Changning, Hokou, and JingAn.[/QUOTE]I was wrong. I went around Shanghai today, this time in different districts from where I was before, and there are many pockets of Shanghai that are shut down, including MPs and SPAs. On some streets, everything is closed, including MPs, SPAs, businesses, stores, etc (except for convenience stores, like Family Mart).

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2674255]I was wrong. I went around Shanghai today, this time in different districts from where I was before, and there are many pockets of Shanghai that are shut down, including MPs and SPAs. On some streets, everything is closed, including MPs, SPAs, businesses, stores, etc (except for convenience stores, like Family Mart).[/QUOTE]Well not everything is closed. I passed a Thai Spa (which is for sure veggie) and it was open. I haven't been there before, but maybe I will give it a try soon.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2666739]Hey man. As MW says long time. Yeah the ShAnghai scene seems totally busted. Thank god I don't depend on that. Can't recall where you live but most of us stateside guys are doing Seekibg Arrangements. Fuck ton of work and expensive because it's US pricing but totally worth it. See the thread here in ISG if you want to catch up on SA. I see MW in there often.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I was travelling domestically.

Sounds good steve, I miss the old days swapping stories and contacts!!!

"M" is closed until March'30th for now and later might be extended. As you guys might seen, epidemic control is going on- everyone stay put and stay safe.

Well, we have been locked down for over 40 days now. Anyone have any outside the box ideas for mongering? While I was walking around the compound, I noticed several women that seem single. Should I try to tap that, or too close to home? I was thinking about using WeChat's search nearby function too, to see if I can find something in my compound, but I have not used that function in a long time. There's actually someone in the building next to mine that gives off this vibe that she's a WG, but probably my wishful thinking, LOL.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2695753]Well, we have been locked down for over 40 days now. Anyone have any outside the box ideas for mongering? While I was walking around the compound, I noticed several women that seem single. Should I try to tap that, or too close to home? I was thinking about using WeChat's search nearby function too, to see if I can find something in my compound, but I have not used that function in a long time. There's actually someone in the building next to mine that gives off this vibe that she's a WG, but probably my wishful thinking, LOL.[/QUOTE]Hi MW.

Follow the old adage of 'do not shit in your own nest'.

I lived in China for several years followed that adage. There are some points against someone in your own compound these being that it would be difficult to chase someone else, difficult to bring an outsider in later on, a cooperative neighbour may become possessive, an angry husband or boyfriend may come on the scene, gossip will happen and the tale change and become exaggerated (walls have ears and eyes), I don't know about your neighbourhood but mine still had denunciation boxes on the walls, your employer or the local Party people may be contracted and lastly involvement of the law.

Just my thoughts, best to play away from home. Do you still get to go to the supermarket? Maybe some opportunity there especially if they have a more lax or non existent security where they live.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2695753]Well, we have been locked down for over 40 days now. Anyone have any outside the box ideas for mongering? While I was walking around the compound, I noticed several women that seem single. Should I try to tap that, or too close to home? I was thinking about using WeChat's search nearby function too, to see if I can find something in my compound, but I have not used that function in a long time. There's actually someone in the building next to mine that gives off this vibe that she's a WG, but probably my wishful thinking, LOL.[/QUOTE]In my last city, I had an encounter with a gal (maybe a quasi FL) that lived next door to me. The apartment building had several units on each floor and shortly after she moved in, I would notice guys hanging around the elevator or close to her apartment. I had seen her a few times but it was just in passing. Then one day I saw her in the hallway and she asked for my Wechat. Then after the add, she asked if I would like to spend some time with her. I asked how much and she said 5 k to help pay for her rent. LOL! I said absolutely not and she said, okay how about 300. So I accepted, showered, went to her place and had a good time. It ended up being a one time thing because she moved a few weeks after the encounter. Looking back, that was a crazy move but I was lucky to not have any problems from it! Probably wouldn't take that risk again but shit, 40 days of lockdown could make me change my mind.

[QUOTE=Teltel;2695774]Hi MW.

Follow the old adage of 'do not shit in your own nest'.

Teltel.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you're right of course. Will tough it out.

[QUOTE=TitanX;2696714]In my last city, I had an encounter with a gal (maybe a quasi FL) that lived next door to me. The apartment building had several units on each floor and shortly after she moved in, I would notice guys hanging around the elevator or close to her apartment. I had seen her a few times but it was just in passing. Then one day I saw her in the hallway and she asked for my Wechat. Then after the add, she asked if I would like to spend some time with her. I asked how much and she said 5 k to help pay for her rent. LOL! I said absolutely not and she said, okay how about 300. So I accepted, showered, went to her place and had a good time. It ended up being a one time thing because she moved a few weeks after the encounter. Looking back, that was a crazy move but I was lucky to not have any problems from it! Probably wouldn't take that risk again but shit, 40 days of lockdown could make me change my mind.[/QUOTE]That's a great story. I would have visited her every day, haha. About twenty years ago, a couple of hot escorts lived in my building. I sometimes kick myself for not taking advantage of that. They would look at me sometimes, and I would walk away scared, hahaha. But maybe I avoided a disaster, haha. BTW, it sounds like she just rented that room on your hallway, using the Chinese equivalent of AirBNB or some such. There are FL gals and indie gals that come to Shanghai for a couple of weeks, and they stay in rented rooms. They return to their hometowns afterwards, to return next month or whenever they want to make some fast cash.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2696834]That's a great story. I would have visited her every day, haha. About twenty years ago, a couple of hot escorts lived in my building. I sometimes kick myself for not taking advantage of that. They would look at me sometimes, and I would walk away scared, hahaha. But maybe I avoided a disaster, haha. BTW, it sounds like she just rented that room on your hallway, using the Chinese equivalent of AirBNB or some such. There are FL gals and indie gals that come to Shanghai for a couple of weeks, and they stay in rented rooms. They return to their hometowns afterwards, to return next month or whenever they want to make some fast cash.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, that's funny because a buddy of mine said he would have seen her about 3 times within that span. LOL! But I took my time mainly because she was next door and I seeing other FL's from a mamasan I met on people nearby. LOL! I didn't even realized she was gone until I messaged her a few weeks later. When I messaged her, I do remember she said that she was from Weihai and that she was in Qingdao. So you're right on about the moving!

An unbelievable coincidence! While I was walking around my compound yesterday, I saw this chick walking around too. She was by herself. Very skinny, wearing tight black pants, and a shirt that revealed her stomach. She was wearing makeup and high heels too! She walked around the compound for a long time, while taking selfies of herself. I am pretty sure she knew that I was staring at her. I was sorely tempted to ask for her wechat, but I decided to pass. But she must be a FL, is what I am thinking.

Anyway, when is this lockdown going to be over?

I guess even when the lockdown is over, it is not like we will be able to resume our hobby right away. Sigh.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2697183]An unbelievable coincidence! While I was walking around my compound yesterday, I saw this chick walking around too. She was by herself. Very skinny, wearing tight black pants, and a shirt that revealed her stomach. She was wearing makeup and high heels too! She walked around the compound for a long time, while taking selfies of herself. I am pretty sure she knew that I was staring at her. I was sorely tempted to ask for her wechat, but I decided to pass. But she must be a FL, is what I am thinking.

Anyway, when is this lockdown going to be over?

I guess even when the lockdown is over, it is not like we will be able to resume our hobby right away. Sigh.[/QUOTE]Dang! I would have pulled the trigger on that one. A long lockdown with no hobbying would make me so desperate!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2697183]An unbelievable coincidence! While I was walking around my compound yesterday, I saw this chick walking around too. She was by herself. Very skinny, wearing tight black pants, and a shirt that revealed her stomach. She was wearing makeup and high heels too! She walked around the compound for a long time, while taking selfies of herself. I am pretty sure she knew that I was staring at her. I was sorely tempted to ask for her wechat, but I decided to pass. But she must be a FL, is what I am thinking.

Anyway, when is this lockdown going to be over?

I guess even when the lockdown is over, it is not like we will be able to resume our hobby right away. Sigh.[/QUOTE]Sigh, indeed.

I know exactly what you mean. When we do testing, I have to make a conscious effort not to stare at any reasonable-looking youngish mom in my compound. They seem sexier with each passing day.

[QUOTE=TitanX;2697329]Dang! I would have pulled the trigger on that one. A long lockdown with no hobbying would make me so desperate![/QUOTE]I would also be well up for something close by (although not that close by). Not sure how quickly I'll resume though even with the news of opening up. On top of everything about the lockdown, having everybody at home makes it hard to go missing for an hour.

Speaking of everybody being around, a Viet regular called me multiple times one night and thankfully it wasn't noticed. Her message said something about playing online which is off the table even if I didn't have pornhub. I can only imagine how desperate she might be, but blocked her out of principle as that's reckless behavior in my book calling mid-evening during peak family hours. Glad I stopped calls from routing through my iPad and MacBook or else I'd be fucked. This happen to anybody else?

[QUOTE=WulumuqiLurker;2697636]Speaking of everybody being around, a Viet regular called me multiple times one night and thankfully it wasn't noticed. Her message said something about playing online which is off the table even if I didn't have pornhub. I can only imagine how desperate she might be, but blocked her out of principle as that's reckless behavior in my book calling mid-evening during peak family hours. Glad I stopped calls from routing through my iPad and MacBook or else I'd be fucked. This happen to anybody else?[/QUOTE]I've never had any Chinese FL's call me like that. They usually wait for me to contact them. But in my last city, a mamasan would periodically send pictures of her new gals which I liked because I was single and always horny. LOL! A buddy of mine told her don't message him unless he messaged first because he had a family at home.

I did however, have a Viet FL from Taiwan call me constantly on Line. I deleted her because it was like 15 times a day, for no damn reason at all!

What are our mongering options once we reopen from our lockdown? I know our whereabouts and every movement have always been tracked, but it will be even more so after we reopen. For example, we will have to show our health codes and even have it scanned (digital sentry or by boa-an) to enter most places. Would like to hear people's thoughts, and even speculations, about this.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2701172]What are our mongering options once we reopen from our lockdown? I know our whereabouts and every movement have always been tracked, but it will be even more so after we reopen. For example, we will have to show our health codes and even have it scanned (digital sentry or by boa-an) to enter most places. Would like to hear people's thoughts, and even speculations, about this.[/QUOTE]I've also been wondering this. Currently our compound is requiring us to scan our green codes to reenter (the digital sentry you noticed), which means you'll definitely be on a close contacts list should something ever come up (the nightmare scenario, alongside being locked down with a "friend" Figure break it down by the options:

Incall: Depends on the compound, but I figure the girl you're seeing will account for this. Might be popping in through the car park. Some bao'an's could be extra eager about visitors and we stick out (on a side note I'm hopeful the huge amount of cases will somewhat reduce the amount of bao'ans who think every foreigner has covid). This will surely limit the freewheeling SWs on Yanping who take you into a nearby housing complex to a deserted stairwell.

Outcall: Same issue and not an option for some of us.

Venue-based: Spas / MPs, gritty bars like T nearby M / J where you can get serviced in the weird upstairs area. These places will have plenty to deal with with just the increased oversight, which alone can limit services.

Venue based is probably the safest option actually, from a covid rules point of view. Anything residential is going to be hit or miss, changing day by day, and with a variety of risks that a business won't carry.

Also, so so so many locals have returned to their hometowns so I figure that'll have an effect on availability. I can only imagine how the Viets faired during this time too. Poor hairdressers, anybody know how they are doing? I think each of our black books is going to be much much slimmer should hobbies resume.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2701172]What are our mongering options once we reopen from our lockdown? I know our whereabouts and every movement have always been tracked, but it will be even more so after we reopen. For example, we will have to show our health codes and even have it scanned (digital sentry or by boa-an) to enter most places. Would like to hear people's thoughts, and even speculations, about this.[/QUOTE]Out in HZ, we have to get tested every 48 hours. So to go into a public place, we have to scan a code that will show a green code and that we have taken the covid test within the last 48 hours. The few regulars that I have made in HZ asked if I could pay in cash so their exact location won't be compromised by the wechat / alipay app. I guess, it's for in case I have visited an area that pops up with a covid case.

I did visit a spot a few months back that didn't do any scanning but took payment by cash or wechat / alipay. But HZ hasn't been locked down like SH so they might be a little bit more on edge coming out of that.

Good luck!

All I can say to these lockdowns is WOW.

I feel for all of you.

Good luck and stay safe!

Time to go hit a local AMP in the US for a HJ and maybe FS if I am lucky.

SAM.

[QUOTE=WulumuqiLurker;2701341]I've also been wondering this. Currently our compound is requiring us to scan our green codes to reenter (the digital sentry you noticed), which means you'll definitely be on a close contacts list should something ever come up (the nightmare scenario, alongside being locked down with a "friend" Figure break it down by the options:

Incall: Depends on the compound, but I figure the girl you're seeing will account for this. Might be popping in through the car park. Some bao'an's could be extra eager about visitors and we stick out (on a side note I'm hopeful the huge amount of cases will somewhat reduce the amount of bao'ans who think every foreigner has covid). This will surely limit the freewheeling SWs on Yanping who take you into a nearby housing complex to a deserted stairwell.

Outcall: Same issue and not an option for some of us.

Venue-based: Spas / MPs, gritty bars like T nearby M / J where you can get serviced in the weird upstairs area. These places will have plenty to deal with with just the increased oversight, which alone can limit services.

Venue based is probably the safest option actually, from a covid rules point of view. Anything residential is going to be hit or miss, changing day by day, and with a variety of risks that a business won't carry..[/QUOTE]Nice summary of the issues with the various options.

I am rather tempted by trying to arrange office outcalls, in the evenings. I think in our set-up, there wouldn't be a huge problem getting the service provider in, particularly after hours. I am getting rather excited at the idea of sex in my office. Yes, there is a lack of amenities, but there is also so much scope for role-playing, with the right kind of provider.

Hi Guys,

I am looking for something that was operational pre-covid. I don't think this is operational now, given the tough times you are having over there.

This is located in Qixing Road, Plaza South near Gudai Road.

Has anyone heard about Jiang Li Sauna which offer nuru massage and may be FS. Has anyone been to this place and had any experience?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2701172]What are our mongering options once we reopen from our lockdown? I know our whereabouts and every movement have always been tracked, but it will be even more so after we reopen. For example, we will have to show our health codes and even have it scanned (digital sentry or by boa-an) to enter most places. Would like to hear people's thoughts, and even speculations, about this.[/QUOTE]Every weekend testing whole shanghai and with 48-72 hours scanning health code code everywhere literally. Until July end. It's better be safe than sorry! Each and every move is monitored, so better skip all activities until July end.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2709313]What are our mongering options once we reopen from our lockdown? I know our whereabouts and every movement have always been tracked, but it will be even more so after we reopen. For example, we will have to show our health codes and even have it scanned (digital sentry or by boa-an) to enter most places. Would like to hear people's thoughts, and even speculations, about this.Every weekend testing whole shanghai and with 48-72 hours scanning health code code everywhere literally. Until July end. It's better be safe than sorry! Each and every move is monitored, so better skip all activities until July end.[/QUOTE]There are a few places open again, and I know a couple of guys who have already been to naughty MPs since the end of the big lockdown on 1st June. One guy I know says he never scans the MP QR code he gets round it by taking a screenshot of his valid code just before going in, and then simply showing it to the guy at the desk, putting his phone on airplane mode while he's in there, and then paying in cash. But for me, the whole 'papers please' environment we find ourselves in, and total loss of discretion has completely put me off mongering right now, so I too will also be lying low for the time being.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2709570]There are a few places open again, and I know a couple of guys who have already been to naughty MPs since the end of the big lockdown on 1st June. One guy I know says he never scans the MP QR code he gets round it by taking a screenshot of his valid code just before going in, and then simply showing it to the guy at the desk, putting his phone on airplane mode while he's in there, and then paying in cash. But for me, the whole 'papers please' environment we find ourselves in, and total loss of discretion has completely put me off mongering right now, so I too will also be lying low for the time being.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information, but what is the point of not scanning and putting the phone on airplane mode? If the place has a positive for covid, then authorities will be able to track him down easily, even if he did not scan or if his phone was off or on airplane mode.

At this point, I think that we should all just assume that no matter what, our whereabouts can always be tracked down. And so, if you do any mongering, then have plausible dieniability. For example, do not go to sleezy MPs, do not check into a hotel, and do not do incalls (how can you explain why you were in a run-down compound, which is where many incalls reside? If you are able to do outcalls, that might be your best bet, although I usually do not like it when these gals know where I live, and so any time I did outcalls I always told them the place belongs to my friend.

As for me, I was flirting with my veggie masseuse pre-lockdown, and when I returned, I continued my flirting. We actually made out the last time I was there and she stroked little bro while we were making out. And then I tipped her when I left. Sure, these veggie providers are not the hottest gals on earth, and many look like Shrek, but if one if halfway decent, then maybe lower the standards for now and try your luck. They are all desperate for money right now.

This lockdown killed my libido though. Right now, I am still just happy being able to have a beer and pizza. But lately, as the weather has been hot, I am noticing more gals in short skirts. Man, that will certainly bring the libido back in full force, and hopefully Shanghai is normal by then. Which means that our whereabouts will still be known, but hopefully zero covid.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2710219]Thanks for the information, but what is the point of not scanning and putting the phone on airplane mode? If the place has a positive for covid, then authorities will be able to track him down easily, even if he did not scan or if his phone was off or on airplane mode.[/QUOTE]If this is the case, then it puts me in no mood to monger at all. Could they still track me down if walked in wearing a baseball cap and face mask, paid in cash, left my phone at the office and found a place that doesn't check codes? If yes then that's some serious surveillance going on there, and it's a big reason why more and more laowai are quitting China for good.

However as I mentioned, there are places open now, and we're down to practically zero cases across the whole city, so the chances of a positive case in a recently visited MP must be close to zero. So if you are going to go for it, a legit MP providing veggie options as well as extras is probably your safest bet.

Alley way MP will open in about one week on WHD road near the Y where Wuning Road heads north. Walk to the left at the Y . Alley just on the left. Hopefully dining at the Y is available. Always a happy ending.

Had an afternoon free today, considered how to best use it. 91 mm is gone and down, so I don't have much appetite for learning / buying a member ship with the alternate site that starts with x. Some MR numbers don't even ring. Options are stale. No energy or drive to spend too much time in the car going outside of downtown, so one or two in my rotation are off the menu if they were even here. Checked telegram nearby and its basically about blockchains. Even the fake model photo accounts link out to something about blockchains LOL, which is telling. Is M and J even operating in some capacity? Passed by but unable to partake, saw some probable customers hanging for a beer and one get led south towards Kerry Center by what looked like a tout. While the search is half the fun, it feels pointless now. Anybody else feeling the same?

Tried to send you a PM, but it seems like your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2733922]Tried to send you a PM, but it seems like your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]140's out of 200 max so not full on my side, but I remember sending you a pm a few months back and it told me your's is.

If your box is full you cannot send either.

After a decade here, I'm on the way out soon. I'll miss the golden era of this city, but I do believe things will become interesting again in the future.

For my last few rounds I've been visiting the Jiangning Road. Chain in Jing'an you probably know about. 598 CNY gets you one hour with he. Pricey, but if you're looking for a safe and discreet option, this would be it. There is a lot more available if you tip the girls, obviously. Like. Everything goes. .

Play safe, and I'll see you around!

Bye Shanghai. Thanks for the good days.

As recently as about 8 years ago, there were saunas everywhere, there were several reliable outcall and incall agencies (e. G. , Rain), BBSs, many, many FS MPs, many KB shops, the active Shanghai Nightlife site, and Judy's and Manhattan going strong.

And now, what is there?

My MO lately is to chat up low-self-esteem gals in the HJ MPs and see if I can meet them at their home when they have the day off.

[QUOTE=XikangLu;2736918]After a decade here, I'm on the way out soon. I'll miss the golden era of this city, but I do believe things will become interesting again in the future.

For my last few rounds I've been visiting the Jiangning Road. Chain in Jing'an you probably know about. 598 CNY gets you one hour with he. Pricey, but if you're looking for a safe and discreet option, this would be it. There is a lot more available if you tip the girls, obviously. Like. Everything goes. .

Play safe, and I'll see you around!

Bye Shanghai. Thanks for the good days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XikangLu;2736918]After a decade here, I'm on the way out soon. I'll miss the golden era of this city, but I do believe things will become interesting again in the future.

Bye Shanghai. Thanks for the good days.[/QUOTE]I hope China recovers some day. But right now no one I know in China is happy. I had some great times in Shanghai, Beijing, and Hong Kong and hope all these great cities can return to their former glory.

A girl I know started working in a new MP. It's in that mall across the street from ITC One on Huasheng Road. If you enter from Starbucks, go up the escalator, there's two MPs. Go to the one on the right. They have 598,798, and 998 options. All the gals were wearing skanky outfits. I wish I could try out the other gals, but then my gal will be pissed. I asked her what was available with the 998 option, but she wouldn't tell me, because she and I have our old usual routine. If you guys go there, please report.

Many MPs look like they're shut for good, but ones still open the gals seem open to almost anything, including BBBJ. I think they're desperate for money. They consistently tell me that there are days when they have zero clients.

It's been already since at least early July that a MP, with address on Jumen Rd and which has been described here before, is operating normally. They had their showers hacked, what it seemed to be a kind of control measurement from authorities, for a certain while, but now it's operating exactly as it used to. 499 gets you a massage with he, with a fake tongue rubbing, naked body tits rubbing and to a certain extent open play. Of course YMMV. I personally see the same girl for already a couple of years and it's more than satisfying. Although hesitant the first couple of times, she now lets me finger her and play everywhere, and every now and then, with a tip, BBBJTC.

I know of friends who have been visiting their usual in other parts of the city. So yeah, at least at a survival level, it has picked up.

Be cautious and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2739123]A girl I know started working in a new MP. It's in that mall across the street from ITC One on Huasheng Road. If you enter from Starbucks, go up the escalator, there's two MPs. Go to the one on the right. They have 598,798, and 998 options. All the gals were wearing skanky outfits. I wish I could try out the other gals, but then my gal will be pissed. I asked her what was available with the 998 option, but she wouldn't tell me, because she and I have our old usual routine. If you guys go there, please report.

Many MPs look like they're shut for good, but ones still open the gals seem open to almost anything, including BBBJ. I think they're desperate for money. They consistently tell me that there are days when they have zero clients.[/QUOTE]Hi there.

First time posting here but wanted to share my experience at the MP mentioned by Midwestern. Firstly, let me say, I'm an infrequent monger but having been around China / Asia for the past 20+ years I've learned that sometimes we have great experiences, and sometimes not so great, but have to accept both as being part of the mongering scene, and not get too upset when things don't turn out as well as expected / hoped. I'm therefore posting my experience at the new MP mainly to help anyone thinking of going there, and what to expect.

Firstly the guy at reception managed to translate the three prices as: 598 = Massage with Lady. 798 = Cosplay massage. 998 = Sexy Dance massage. (All are 60 minutes).

I opted for the 998 Sexy Dance Massage & was led to a very smart room & brought little bowls of tomatoes etc (which I always find quite odd). After 5 minutes a girl (I would give her about a 7) came in wearing a slinky satin long dress which seemed to be a good sign. She gave me a locker key & led me to a shower room & left me to shower & put on a pair of pyjamas. Back to the room & she asked if I wanted her to change into a Japanese schoolgirl outfit (every room seemed to have one, which I assume it their Cosplay attire). What she was wearing was fairly sexy so I was good with that.

I lay with my head in her lap and she gave me a head / shoulder / face massage. And then she started asking me a load of questions. My Chinese is sketchy at best & her English was none existant, so after 5 to 10 minutes she sent me back to the locker / shower area to get my phone to use the translation app. !! (no idea where her phone was) To cut a really long story short, for the next 30 minutes we were standing, exchanging messages on my phone and I eventually worked out that to get a HJ I need to book a second hour at rmb 998. Making the total of nearly 2 k for a simple HJ fully clothes and no touching! When I pointed out how ridiculous the cost was, she then tried to up sell a VIP package (I think about 3 k), which would mean the 2 hours needed would "only" cost rmb1400.

By now its 50 minutes into my one hour and I've had enough! So I just walked out and went to the locker area and dressed. This really freaked the girl out who possibly thought there would be problems with me paying. Back to reception where I made my feelings know, but paid up (who needs the problems associated with refusing to pay? As I was leaving a guy came out who spoke good English who asked what the problem was. I went through it with him and explained that rmb 1 k for what turned out to be a ten minute head massage was not acceptable and I'd never be back. He seemed genuinely apologetic and offered a foot massage as compensation!! No thanks. I'd had enough and just want to get out of there.

So guys. That was my experience.

Sorry my first post couldn't be more positive, but I guess them's the breaks sometimes!

Cheers.

Sorry that you had a bad experience, but thanks sincerely for this report! Okay, so let's strike this place off of our list. While YMMV, I think this negative report is telling.

BTW, I had a similar experience recently at another MP. This one is on the corner of Yaohong Lu and Guyang Lu. This place is brand new. Was quoted 1280, but after about 15 minutes into the massage, she starts asking me a ton of questions. (BTW, she was old and fat.) I have no idea what she's asking. Then she leaves and a manager walks in and starts quoting me membership prices. I actually got suckered and paid a little extra, hoping that this would get me a new and improved provider and experience, but then it was the same provider and it was a crappy attempt at a t.j. to loud rock music. I left very unhappy, and expressed my unhappiness to the manager, but she did not care. I don't mind learning lessons every once in a while but this one was a bit expensive. Oh well.

[QUOTE=DownBoy;2746659]Hi there.

First time posting here but wanted to share my experience at the MP mentioned by Midwestern. Firstly, let me say, I'm an infrequent monger but having been around China / Asia for the past 20+ years I've learned that sometimes we have great experiences, and sometimes not so great, but have to accept both as being part of the mongering scene, and not get too upset when things don't turn out as well as expected / hoped. I'm therefore posting my experience at the new MP mainly to help anyone thinking of going there, and what to expect.

Firstly the guy at reception managed to translate the three prices as: 598 = Massage with Lady. 798 = Cosplay massage. 998 = Sexy Dance massage. (All are 60 minutes).

I opted for the 998 Sexy Dance Massage & was led to a very smart room & brought little bowls of tomatoes etc (which I always find quite odd). After 5 minutes a girl (I would give her about a 7) came in wearing a slinky satin long dress which seemed to be a good sign. She gave me a locker key & led me to a shower room & left me to shower & put on a pair of pyjamas. Back to the room & she asked if I wanted her to change into a Japanese schoolgirl outfit (every room seemed to have one, which I assume it their Cosplay attire). What she was wearing was fairly sexy so I was good with that.

I lay with my head in her lap and she gave me a head / shoulder / face massage. And then she started asking me a load of questions. My Chinese is sketchy at best & her English was none existant, so after 5 to 10 minutes she sent me back to the locker / shower area to get my phone to use the translation app. !! (no idea where her phone was) To cut a really long story short, for the next 30 minutes we were standing, exchanging messages on my phone and I eventually worked out that to get a HJ I need to book a second hour at rmb 998. Making the total of nearly 2 k for a simple HJ fully clothes and no touching! When I pointed out how ridiculous the cost was, she then tried to up sell a VIP package (I think about 3 k), which would mean the 2 hours needed would "only" cost rmb1400.

By now its 50 minutes into my one hour and I've had enough! So I just walked out and went to the locker area and dressed. This really freaked the girl out who possibly thought there would be problems with me paying. Back to reception where I made my feelings know, but paid up (who needs the problems associated with refusing to pay? As I was leaving a guy came out who spoke good English who asked what the problem was. I went through it with him and explained that rmb 1 k for what turned out to be a ten minute head massage was not acceptable and I'd never be back. He seemed genuinely apologetic and offered a foot massage as compensation!! No thanks. I'd had enough and just want to get out of there.

So guys. That was my experience.

Sorry my first post couldn't be more positive, but I guess them's the breaks sometimes!

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Any experience with Iris specifically? I've noticed quite a few MR ads for black girls, and my scam radar says the ones with 1 $ or video sext options are not worth trying. Same for ones without Chinese numbers since it's at best an agent.

Based on profile info though, Iris has all the markers of a real ad. Curious if anybody has any personal experience with her or any of the others.

Janna: Thick, giant tits, BBW. Very eager and enjoys it, wanting it multiple times and very into it. Nice and chill but low English. Offers incalls in XH but you have to pass by old neighbors (the sort that notice). She's been around for years and doesn't advertise but can be found at M / J. Damage is lower, 1.8 for a meet-up with multiple shots. I have better options now, and the neighbor situation feels risky.

Doris: On MR, and much better looking than her photos. Great see-cup, enhanced but well done. Tattoos and a stripper body. PSE but there is a rushed feeling to it. Maybe she's just horny, but it comes off as too eager, like she just wants to bang the cum out of you and be done. That being said, it's still very good and I've repeated. So hot. Something that was weird was she didn't use lube and tried to put it in dry. Again, like she's rushing it. Poor English, use mandarin. 2.2 or 3 k for 2 pops. Location is a block away from M / J.

Ali: Not on MR, but referred through Doris when she was out of town. Curvy, amazing enhanced D's, and a mattress monster. She and Doris are the hottest Viets, although different types. Like Doris, she has that PSE / rushed quality, but more. I told her to slow down during head but she sped up. Same for riding. She will bang you out, but it's a good time given how great she looks. Poor English, speaks Mandarin, same flat as Doris, and same damage.

Vian: On MR, and photos are accurate, chubby with curves and a decent chest. One thing is she has plastic surgery scars. They're offputtingly noticeable with large keloids, and not just her chest. Her incall is in XH and littered with beer cans and days-old waimai. Kinda gnarly overall, and definitely one of those downer visits. She likes to be choked and can take it though, although the scars threw me off. She seemed kind of erratic and desperate, which was also apparent with the messages afterwards asking to meet again. She even called one evening, and thankfully it didn't cause any issues, but it could have. That's how you get blocked. 1. 8 k, probably won't repeat.

Advice for Viets: Bring your own bags, they use the absolute cheapest stranglers on the market.

[QUOTE=WulumuqiLurker;2761937]Janna: Thick, giant tits, BBW. Very eager and enjoys it, wanting it multiple times and very into it. Nice and chill but low English. Offers incalls in XH but you have to pass by old neighbors (the sort that notice). She's been around for years and doesn't advertise but can be found at M / J. Damage is lower, 1.8 for a meet-up with multiple shots. I have better options now, and the neighbor situation feels risky.

Doris: On MR, and much better looking than her photos. Great see-cup, enhanced but well done. Tattoos and a stripper body. PSE but there is a rushed feeling to it. Maybe she's just horny, but it comes off as too eager, like she just wants to bang the cum out of you and be done. That being said, it's still very good and I've repeated. So hot. Something that was weird was she didn't use lube and tried to put it in dry. Again, like she's rushing it. Poor English, use mandarin. 2.2 or 3 k for 2 pops. Location is a block away from M / J.

Ali: Not on MR, but referred through Doris when she was out of town. Curvy, amazing enhanced D's, and a mattress monster. She and Doris are the hottest Viets, although different types. Like Doris, she has that PSE / rushed quality, but more. I told her to slow down during head but she sped up. Same for riding. She will bang you out, but it's a good time given how great she looks. Poor English, speaks Mandarin, same flat as Doris, and same damage.

Vian: On MR, and photos are accurate, chubby with curves and a decent chest. One thing is she has plastic surgery scars. They're offputtingly noticeable with large keloids, and not just her chest. Her incall is in XH and littered with beer cans and days-old waimai. Kinda gnarly overall, and definitely one of those downer visits. She likes to be choked and can take it though, although the scars threw me off. She seemed kind of erratic and desperate, which was also apparent with the messages afterwards asking to meet again. She even called one evening, and thankfully it didn't cause any issues, but it could have. That's how you get blocked. 1. 8 k, probably won't repeat.

Advice for Viets: Bring your own bags, they use the absolute cheapest stranglers on the market.[/QUOTE]Agree with you regarding Doris. She is beautiful and provide PSE. She does feel somewhat rushed at time but you can slow her down. I've also repeated many times. Will have to try her friend as well.

Guys,

Where do you buy Viagra here? I used to buy from Taobao but it seems to all have disappeared from their offerings. I suppose limitations has been imposed. Is it available over the counter without prescription?

[QUOTE=JayBird;2767240]Guys,

Where do you buy Viagra here? I used to buy from Taobao but it seems to all have disappeared from their offerings. I suppose limitations has been imposed. Is it available over the counter without prescription?[/QUOTE]I go to a Lei Yun Shang Pharmacy near Thumb Square (Pudong - 1177 Dingxiang Road) where I buy my vitamins. They do not require a prescription. Just walk in, point (or talk Chinese, if you manage), pay and go out.

I have tried a few other Lei Yun Shang Pharmacies, in Puxi and Pudong, and never really had an issue with them; but that just might have been luck. Other Pharmacies though always have blocked me, asked for prescription and / or ID.

So if I were you, I would locate the nearest Lei Yun Shang Pharmacy and just try my luck. If they don't have it, too bad. If they ask ID, just tell you forgot it and walk out; just a bit embarassing. But otherwise, you have a good permanent convenient place to buy it.

[QUOTE=JayBird;2767240]Guys,

Where do you buy Viagra here? I used to buy from Taobao but it seems to all have disappeared from their offerings. I suppose limitations has been imposed. Is it available over the counter without prescription?[/QUOTE]It's available at any pharmacy without a prescription. If you walk around any street with lots of shops and restaurants, you will also run into a pharmacy, which is designated by a green plus sign.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2767317]It's available at any pharmacy without a prescription. If you walk around any street with lots of shops and restaurants, you will also run into a pharmacy, which is designated by a green plus sign.[/QUOTE]I keep empty packets of necessary pharmacy items so that if I run into language difficulties I can show the empty packet for the item I want.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=Teltel;2767481]I keep empty packets of necessary pharmacy items so that if I run into language difficulties I can show the empty packet for the item I want.

Teltel.[/QUOTE]I used to do the exact same thing. But I then discovered that Google translate works. Just type in Viagra and it provides the correct Chinese translation of it.

But yeah, in general keeping empty packets of necessary pharmacy items is a good idea. I recently needed some medicine and it was difficult to explain what I needed. When they suggested some medicines, I had no idea if this was what I was looking for.

Guys,

Thank you for all the inputs. I discovered I had used the international, not the local version of Taobao. After switching back I immediately found what I was looking for.

Hi all,

Seems a lot of the restrictions are loosening up in Shanghai. What effect do you think this will have on the mongering scene? Will you guys be practicing your hobby more often now?

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2768588]Hi all,

Seems a lot of the restrictions are loosening up in Shanghai. What effect do you think this will have on the mongering scene? Will you guys be practicing your hobby more often now?[/QUOTE]The gals that service ten guys per day, and do DATY, BBBJ, DFK, etc. , are all going to get infected within weeks. But sooner or later, almost everyone in China is going to get infected. Our vaccines do not compare to the Pfizer and J&J ones. And so, why exercise any caution?

I bet China gets almost 10 milllion cases before CNY, and then BAM, with CNY travels, it's going to easily be over 100 million. Some people are hiding in their homes, but let's get this tidal wave of infections over with.

We have a miserable several months ahead of us, gents.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2769315]The gals that service ten guys per day, and do DATY, BBBJ, DFK, etc. , are all going to get infected within weeks. But sooner or later, almost everyone in China is going to get infected. Our vaccines do not compare to the Pfizer and J&J ones. And so, why exercise any caution?

I bet China gets almost 10 milllion cases before CNY, and then BAM, with CNY travels, it's going to easily be over 100 million. Some people are hiding in their homes, but let's get this tidal wave of infections over with.

We have a miserable several months ahead of us, gents.[/QUOTE]Not in China now. Got messages from some lady friends this week. Most understand that it will get bad before it gets better and agree with you that it will be a bad few months. Several want to leave China but I doubt travel will be allowed any time soon.

The good news is that Manhattan has re-opened on Dec 15 albeit at a new location at 56 Maoming Lu. Now as I cannot yet get to China I have no idea of this exact location but so interesting that it has now relocated back to Maoming Lu where it once was over 20 years ago. Amazing.

Hopefully we can get back on those planes and head to China with ZERO quarantine on arrival in 1st qtr 2023 - time will tell.

Hi All,

I'm on testosterone replacement therapy and will soon be moving to Shanghai. Does anyone know if testosterone is sold over the counter there? In Hanoi it is, so I am hoping for the same in Shanghai. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2772192]Hopefully we can get back on those planes and head to China with ZERO quarantine on arrival in 1st qtr 2023 - time will tell.[/QUOTE]As of January 8, actually! Just announced today. But no word on if or when China will reactivate visas for inbound travellers. I expect this won't happen until Feb, after CNY, I reckon this is more about opening up China-HKG for CNY and letting the Chinese head overseas, of course some people who don't need a visa would be okay.

[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2774280]As of January 8, actually! Just announced today. But no word on if or when China will reactivate visas for inbound travellers. I expect this won't happen until Feb, after CNY, I reckon this is more about opening up China-HKG for CNY and letting the Chinese head overseas, of course some people who don't need a visa would be okay.[/QUOTE]Had a few Chinese ladies contact me wanting to know if I will come see them in January. The answer is no. Like you said, not sure yet if my business visa is valid again. Even if it was I think I will wait awhile before traveling to China. Hopefully the Chinese will be allowed to travel outside the country again and I can just meet the lovely ladies in Hong Kong or Thailand. Don't trust the Chinese government to not change course again.

Is any information available about the possible reinstatement of 10 year visas? Also, anybody on the ground In Shanghai or elsewhere willing to discuss the Covid situation?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2778423]Is any information available about the possible reinstatement of 10 year visas? Also, anybody on the ground In Shanghai or elsewhere willing to discuss the Covid situation?[/QUOTE]So far I have not been able to find any information on if existing 10 year visas are now valid again. I suspect they are because the embassies of China have started accepting applications for new visas. But cannot find anything in writing.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2778423]Is any information available about the possible reinstatement of 10 year visas? Also, anybody on the ground In Shanghai or elsewhere willing to discuss the Covid situation?[/QUOTE]Found this under Visa applications on the Chinese Embassy website. So it appears that our 10 year visas are still not valid.

As of January 8, 2023, the Chinese Embassy and Consulates-General in the US will adopt the following new requirements for Chinese visa application.

(Please note: At the current stage, multi-year multiple-entry visas issued before March 26,2020 are still suspended of use. If such visa holders need to go to China at this stage, they can apply for a new visa according to the requirements of this notice. Visa applications for tourism and medical treatment in China are temporarily not accepted.).

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2778423]Is any information available about the possible reinstatement of 10 year visas? Also, anybody on the ground In Shanghai or elsewhere willing to discuss the Covid situation?[/QUOTE]Hey BJ4987, it's great to see your post! I'm still in Shanghai. What do you want to discuss regarding the Covid situation? I think most of us already got sick, including me. These days, I just hear most people coughing, including me. Whatcha been up to? PM me if you want to have a private chat.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2778423]Is any information available about the possible reinstatement of 10 year visas? Also, anybody on the ground In Shanghai or elsewhere willing to discuss the Covid situation?[/QUOTE]No reinstatement of 10 year tourist visas. There is no COVID situation here in Shanghai. It's only when you leave China that other countries don't want us.

What's MR? Is it a popular escort site or something?

Is there a good one for Shanghai? Is there also one where I can also hire a GF for no service GFE like in Japan?

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2781135]What's MR? Is it a popular escort site or something?

Is there a good one for Shanghai? Is there also one where I can also hire a GF for no service GFE like in Japan?[/QUOTE]MR = Massage Republic. I have never used them.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2772192]The good news is that Manhattan has re-opened on Dec 15 albeit at a new location at 56 Maoming Lu. Now as I cannot yet get to China I have no idea of this exact location but so interesting that it has now relocated back to Maoming Lu where it once was over 20 years ago. Amazing.

Hopefully, we can get back on those planes and head to China with ZERO quarantine on arrival in 1st qtr 2023 - time will tell.[/QUOTE]This is awesome news as I am relocating to Shanghai for work in September! I hope the Covid situation will have settled down by then.

Has anyone visited since its reopening? Is it still the same P4 P place it was before? Are they letting the Viet FLs back into China now? Any info you may have would be greatly appreciated.

It has been ages. Over 8 years! - since I have been back to China. I remember some really stunning VN girls were there back in the day. Though the price was a bit high. I would make it an occasional treat for myself (once every few weeks) after I relocate. I hope this is not just a pipe dream.

Stay horny my friends!

Unc. -V.

Never been to China and a lurker. Curious as to what happened with those supposed crackdowns a couple of years back. Did it really affect mongering or no? I just watched a serpentza video on the one where he talks about prostitution and he says its everywhere but he is also a bluepilled cuck so I don't trust alot of what he says. I always wanted to monger here but its kind of sad they brought everything down.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2783493]Never been to China and a lurker. Curious as to what happened with those supposed crackdowns a couple of years back. Did it really affect mongering or no? I just watched a serpentza video on the one where he talks about prostitution and he says its everywhere but he is also a bluepilled cuck so I don't trust alot of what he says. I always wanted to monger here but its kind of sad they brought everything down.[/QUOTE]Have a look at Youtube: China Street. The vlogger has recently done a series on Chongqing (a huge city, located within Sichuan Province). Many alleyways reveal providers. I am guessing but the going rate might be 100 RMB, or for some providers, 150 RMB. Determined by supply and demand, of course.

His footage is a delightful reminder of my days in China. Every district, almost, in the second and third tier city had their delightful alleyways, and neglected corners where it was easy to indulge the hobby. Of course, a knowledge of the language was helpful!

These alleyways are usually immune from regular policing.

Enjoy and report.

P13.

Spoiler alert: I won't be able to share any contact details about this so please don't ask.

Here is a short story about long term commitments! I no longer live in Shanghai although I just visited on business for a couple of weeks and I obviously had fun around. I visited an old establishment were I used to go 10 years ago. It's a reputable massage / spa chain that doesn't really offer any additional services. For many years I visited the same girls, to the point of getting to know them well and get their personal numbers, book appointments directly with them, etc. Over the years we fooled around many times in the establishment and I regularly got all the extras I could (except FS) at the place itself.

A couple of weeks ago while I was on biz I messaged one of them and asked them to meet me at the hotel I was staying in Huangpu. She hesitated at first but because she hasn't seen me in a long time she agreed and came over. She knew what was going to happen hehehe. We ended up having sex two times in what I can only describe as a proper girlfriend experience. Candid and sweet and sweaty and loud. Big tip ensured. Two days later we met again, and then again another time and then again. After 5 encounters on different days she brought her friend, I asked her for more and she brought a cute friend who used to work at that place forever ago. I'm not a fan of threesomes because I don't think I do a decent job with two women at once TBH. We ended up giving it a go. It was a bit clumsy but fun. My main girl watched most of the time!

I had to leave Shanghai after my biz trip and I sincerely regret not spending more time with both of them. I am trying to get on another biz trip soon so I can hang with these two, hopefully without spending too much on tips and stuff. The two girls are beautiful and each in their mid 30's and already married with a kid somewhere in another province.

If you come across someone you can nurture and keep in touch with, it's worth the time and patience. It pays off. I think I am now emotionally attached to the main girl now. Which is a lot more complicated than it sounds.

Out of curiosity, have any of you built this type of relationship with someone in your mongering adventures?

*Bonus report.

In Jing'an district near Hangzhong road station you can fire up Dianping and look up for anmo places, check on the map view, and very quickly you will find very interesting options within walking distance. Had FS for 800 with a very talented one. I did not save numbers or addresses because I still have my old local number and I don't want to taint it.

My two top spa gals had a falling out long ago, so no hope of 3 some. #18 is still in the game. Business visa renewals are only good for 60-90 days with the same paperwork as the previous 10 year multi entry visa. I'll wait.

[QUOTE=XikangLu;2785729]Spoiler alert: I won't be able to share any contact details about this so please don't ask.

Here is a short story about long term commitments! I no longer live in Shanghai although I just visited on business for a couple of weeks and I obviously had fun around. I visited an old establishment were I used to go 10 years ago. It's a reputable massage / spa chain that doesn't really offer any additional services. For many years I visited the same girls, to the point of getting to know them well and get their personal numbers, book appointments directly with them, etc. Over the years we fooled around many times in the establishment and I regularly got all the extras I could (except FS) at the place itself..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XikangLu;2785729]

If you come across someone you can nurture and keep in touch with, it's worth the time and patience. It pays off.

Out of curiosity, have any of you built this type of relationship with someone in your mongering adventurei.[/QUOTE]Sure. I kept in touch with many WGs after they retired. Many of them will still meet me after all these years, even though they are no longer in the biz. Some of them are even married now. There's two that will even travel a long distance to meet me, as long as I cover their travel and accomodations.

[QUOTE=XikangLu;2785729]Spoiler alert: I won't be able to share any contact details about this so please don't ask.


If you come across someone you can nurture and keep in touch with, it's worth the time and patience. It pays off. I think I am now emotionally attached to the main girl now. Which is a lot more complicated than it sounds.

Out of curiosity, have any of you built this type of relationship with someone in your mongering adventures?

.[/QUOTE]I have a friend in Beijing I met in 2011 and used her services regularly. She is no longer is in the business but meets me every time I travel through Beijing. Another girl worked for me as an interpreter and we eventually ended up in bed together. We keep in touch and get together whenever I am in China. Finally there is my friend in Dalian. I used the services of a friend of hers in Shanghai. Her friend left the business but introduced me to my friend in Dalian. The Dalian lady was not in the business but just a good looking divorced woman. The problem is that after three years of lockdown they are all wanting to meet me somewhere in Asia. Meanwhile, I have a Thai lady in Hua HIn who is also begging for my return. Problems, problems, problems.

One of my MP providers told me that there have been police inspectations lately. Be careful.

I checked out a place on 1886 Qixin recently. I think it's part of a chain. Man, did I get ripped off. Mechanical service, and the insistence on getting a VIP card was non-stop from the moment I entered to the time I left.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2790602]One of my MP providers told me that there have been police inspectations lately. Be careful. [/QUOTE]Yes it's been 'windy' for at a least couple of weeks now. A lot of places still closed, especially Minhang. There has even been talk of freelancers being arrested in their apartments.

The general word is that things won't calm down until after the big "two sessions" in early March. Right now there are a few shops operating discretely but for me it's not worth the risk. Probably best to abstain for a couple more weeks and see how things are then.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2790602]Man, did I get ripped off. Mechanical service, and the insistence on getting a VIP card was non-stop from the moment I entered to the time I left.[/QUOTE]How much was it?

It continues to amuse me (well, actually makes me cringe) when people here refer to weather in Shanghai as being "stormy" or "windy" or "a sustained low pressure system.

Moving slowly across the lower Yangtze Valley. " They haven't learned that there is no such thing. There is only one condition: stable instability. Guys who think it's going to be stable after the next "political meeting", "trade conference" or "international visit" are just deluded. There's always a risk. And it's pretty low.

[QUOTE=GaoXing;2791980]It continues to amuse me (well, actually makes me cringe) when people here refer to weather in Shanghai as being "stormy" or "windy" or "a sustained low pressure system.[/QUOTE]Yes a bit cringy, but I think people only tend to use those terms as they're translations from the Chinese, and it's how the locals describe it.

[QUOTE=GaoXing;2791980]Moving slowly across the lower Yangtze Valley. " They haven't learned that there is no such thing. There is only one condition: stable instability. Guys who think it's going to be stable after the next "political meeting", "trade conference" or "international visit" are just deluded. There's always a risk. And it's pretty low.[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone who's been here a while thinks things are ever completely stable or 100% safe, even at the best of times. But it's a fact that when high profile events are going on, the risk is simply higher and raids are more frequent. If this wasn't the case, places wouldn't have their curtains drawn during certain periods, and have them wide open at other times.

Anybody remember the "Luxury Hair Wash" business at the corner of Wanhangdu & Beijing West roads about 15 years ago? I stuck my bald head into the doorway and asked how much for service. "300. Rmb" We all had lots of fun at the massage spa (upstairs) next to it, now taken over by the Muslim restaurant. Only one spa left in that chain of three.

Tried a couple new massage parlor. 1) yongjia between south shaanxi and Jiashan. Window shop. Wouldn't bother to report as it's the usual HJ type window shop with ugly older women. But on occasion they have a girl mid 30's who has massive boobs so worth checking out if you are a boob man. She only seems to be in once a week so not worth checking in less you live in the area. Cost 500 for average HJ but lots of boobs in face play. 2) Nextr corner of Ruijin / Taikang. Advertised as Spa. Went in and there were quite a lot of women. Mostly 6's. She gives me a massage for 400 but then asks for a tip for extras. Very bad handjob. Not worth it. Anyone know of any places like the ones on Wanping and Jumen. The 499 full body and tongue bath. Big fan of the Jumen place but they are closed since last week and the boss doesn't know when they will be open again.

Has anyone received a 10 year business visa recently?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2796434]Has anyone received a 10 year business visa recently?[/QUOTE]I got mine in 2017 & now its live again.

Oh yeah, Oh yeah.

Just got my work visa approved and I will be moving to China for a year or so. I will be living in Wuxi but will travel back and forth between there and Shanghai.

This will be my first time mongering in China. I have lived in Thailand and Japan and to find girls and fun is very easy. So I'm looking for.

Help in both WUXI & SHANGHAI!

Looking for sites to contact escorts. I am a fan of massage parlors also so if you have any favorites in that area please let me know. Also not sure if they have brothel style places like in South America but I would also like to know about that.

I will begin my research and if anyone find themselves in that part of China soon let me know. First round on me!

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2798736]Just got my work visa approved and I will be moving to China for a year or so. I will be living in Wuxi but will travel back and forth between there and Shanghai.

This will be my first time mongering in China. I have lived in Thailand and Japan and to find girls and fun is very easy. So I'm looking for.

Help in both WUXI & SHANGHAI!

Looking for sites to contact escorts. I am a fan of massage parlors also so if you have any favorites in that area please let me know. Also not sure if they have brothel style places like in South America but I would also like to know about that.

I will begin my research and if anyone find themselves in that part of China soon let me know. First round on me![/QUOTE]Massage Republic, Shanghai Nightlife Online are two that came to mind.

Had a look in the new M's on Maoming lu last night. Hardly any ladies in there, just Chinese guys drinking at tables with a Chinese guitarist playing live on stage. The Viets were nowhere to be seen, I guess they're not able to come back yet.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2783493]Never been to China and a lurker. Curious as to what happened with those supposed crackdowns a couple of years back. Did it really affect mongering or no? I just watched a serpentza video on the one where he talks about prostitution and he says its everywhere but he is also a bluepilled cuck so I don't trust alot of what he says. I always wanted to monger here but its kind of sad they brought everything down.[/QUOTE]Yes. It's dead, Jim.

The crackdown was deadly effective.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2800855]Had a look in the new M's on Maoming lu last night. Hardly any ladies in there, just Chinese guys drinking at tables with a Chinese guitarist playing live on stage. The Viets were nowhere to be seen, I guess they're not able to come back yet.[/QUOTE]Long time lurker here.

Yes M is dead, but J still has some but the ratio is horrible. Went there the other night around 11 pm and there was maybe 5 girls and 20 guys and when I left after 5 min more guys kept coming by truckloads (taxis).

But M had only 2 girls with like 30 guys but they do have a liveband.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2802457]Yes. It's dead, Jim.

The crackdown was deadly effective.[/QUOTE]On storefronts, it moved now all into buildings and compounds with QQ contacts etc, which is still quite alive.

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2802677]On storefronts, it moved now all into buildings and compounds with QQ contacts etc, which is still quite alive.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but the problems with QQ girls are that.

(1) they are not easy to find and navigate if you cannot read Chinese.

(2) they often don't want to meet foreigners (no, no, it's not because foreigners have bigger wee wees, it's because they don't want their neighbors to see foreigners going in an out of their apartments.

(3) we foreigners stand out like sore thumbs, walking around those low-end compounds, looking for the right addresses, and so the guards may call us out, or nosy neighbors may call the cops.

True, but also depends. Iam ABC, so disclaimer that I don't stick out as you said, however:

If you try to hit elevator apartment compounds in city center, there's some that's very popular like the fake mountain compound in Jing'an and Brilliance city, it's not so much of an issue because 1) foreigners live there themselves 2) lots of people come and go there. Ofc if you hit some outskirt places or some very old buildings ones where they also sometimes operate it is very easy to stand out. But also older nongtang in city center have many foreigners living there so it's also somewhat okay.

The issue mostly however is that she serves alot of customers they probably going to notice people coming and going which is slightly less noticeable in an elevator building like I said earlier. Also girls do suggest to 1) not knock 2) leave one floor earlier or later and walk the stairs etc.

Also some operate out of smaller services apartments that's like hotels that also ok. Esp in xuhui area there are some that are in small-mid serviced apartments that have a lot of coming and goings that make it easy to mask your coming and going.

Ofc all what you said still holds true, it's just that if you are able and can identify good addresses the scene is ok. Also telegram has alot of outcall options (but all telegram are agents and the girls coming are not the same at all) but there's like 20 groups where agent advertise actively for girls to come to you. Just be prepared for random girls or similar looking girls rather than the exact one you saw on photos. QQ Ana telegram in calls are usually the sms girl on photo with 70-80% accuracy due to filter and photoshop and possibly older photos when they were younger, but they usually the same.

Another thing with QQ girls is they mostly offer service style what chinese call A be side. Which is less common with other types nowadays available.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2802812]Yeah, but the problems with QQ girls are that.

(1) they are not easy to find and navigate if you cannot read Chinese.

(2) they often don't want to meet foreigners (no, no, it's not because foreigners have bigger wee wees, it's because they don't want their neighbors to see foreigners going in an out of their apartments.

(3) we foreigners stand out like sore thumbs, walking around those low-end compounds, looking for the right addresses, and so the guards may call us out, or nosy neighbors may call the cops.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2802812]Yeah, but the problems with QQ girls are that.

(1) they are not easy to find and navigate if you cannot read Chinese.

(2) they often don't want to meet foreigners (no, no, it's not because foreigners have bigger wee wees, it's because they don't want their neighbors to see foreigners going in an out of their apartments.

(3) we foreigners stand out like sore thumbs, walking around those low-end compounds, looking for the right addresses, and so the guards may call us out, or nosy neighbors may call the cops.[/QUOTE]And then if the building doors or elevators need a key to get in. That's very annoying also. Had a few of those issues last year too!

Yeah, the heavy foot traffic at their apartment is another problem. I forgot about that. I actually got lucky one time, where a friend told me about an apartment gal. I met her at her apartment. Then, she told me about some of her friends who are also apartment gals. I met them too. OMG, a couple of them were super hot and the price was super low. But they can get over a dozen guys visiting them per day! Especially if they are hot and young. Eventually, I stopped seeing them because I was just worried that neighbors might call the cops.

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2803020]True, but also depends. Iam ABC, so disclaimer that I don't stick out as you said, however:

If you try to hit elevator apartment compounds in city center, there's some that's very popular like the fake mountain compound in Jing'an and Brilliance city, it's not so much of an issue because 1) foreigners live there themselves 2) lots of people come and go there. Ofc if you hit some outskirt places or some very old buildings ones where they also sometimes operate it is very easy to stand out. But also older nongtang in city center have many foreigners living there so it's also somewhat okay.

The issue mostly however is that she serves alot of customers they probably going to notice people coming and going which is slightly less noticeable in an elevator building like I said earlier. Also girls do suggest to 1) not knock 2) leave one floor earlier or later and walk the stairs etc.

Also some operate out of smaller services apartments that's like hotels that also ok. Esp in xuhui area there are some that are in small-mid serviced apartments that have a lot of coming and goings that make it easy to mask your coming and going.

Ofc all what you said still holds true, it's just that if you are able and can identify good addresses the scene is ok. Also telegram has alot of outcall options (but all telegram are agents and the girls coming are not the same at all) but there's like 20 groups where agent advertise actively for girls to come to you. Just be prepared for random girls or similar looking girls rather than the exact one you saw on photos. QQ Ana telegram in calls are usually the sms girl on photo with 70-80% accuracy due to filter and photoshop and possibly older photos when they were younger, but they usually the same.

Another thing with QQ girls is they mostly offer service style what chinese call A be side. Which is less common with other types nowadays available.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2802457]Yes. It's dead, Jim.

The crackdown was deadly effective.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the glory days of past are long gone. They didn't disappear suddenly. It just happened gradually. First, the saunas disappeared. Then the FS MPs slowly started to disappear. Then agencies started to disappear (like RAIN, and of course there was SNG, and others). Then J and M became lame. These days, a visit to a HJ MP might cost what a visit to a sauna used to cost. Easily.

My M. O. For a while now has been to go to a HJ MP, or even a regular MP, and any time I get a cutie to service me, I get her WeChat. And then I chat them up later and try to meet them on their days off or before their shift. Many of them are desperate nowadays, because they have not been able to make a decent living during the past few years due to the zero-Covid policy.

Can you advise how to search (what key words need to be typed) for telegram? And if you don't mind xuhui buildings names as I live in xuhui too. TIA.

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2803020]True, but also depends. Iam ABC, so disclaimer that I don't stick out as you said, however:

If you try to hit elevator apartment compounds in city center, there's some that's very popular like the fake mountain compound in Jing'an and Brilliance city, it's not so much of an issue because 1) foreigners live there themselves 2) lots of people come and go there. Ofc if you hit some outskirt places or some very old buildings ones where they also sometimes operate it is very easy to stand out. But also older nongtang in city center have many foreigners living there so it's also somewhat okay.

The issue mostly however is that she serves alot of customers they probably going to notice people coming and going which is slightly less noticeable in an elevator building like I said earlier. Also girls do suggest to 1) not knock 2) leave one floor earlier or later and walk the stairs etc.

Also some operate out of smaller services apartments that's like hotels that also ok. Esp in xuhui area there are some that are in small-mid serviced apartments that have a lot of coming and goings that make it easy to mask your coming and going..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2804430]Can you advise how to search (what key words need to be typed) for telegram? And if you don't mind xuhui buildings names as I live in xuhui too. TIA.[/QUOTE]Not sure buildings going to help you much lest you want to stay in lobby and hunt down obvious looking girls? LOL.

But for example the Jinao neqta hotel / serviced place has 3-4 I know of operating in who are definitely in the 7-9 looker category for 1200/1600 one shot yes shanghai is expensive esp for "stunners" which in my books is young slim 160-175 ish. Phoenix building near xujiahui swimming center from Dong a road and thereabouts has many of the cheaper 600-800 per shot but they are more like 5-6 in looks. You just need to find them online.

TG is very Fake as I Said, it's mostly agents for outcall with fake photos, they got a group where they got available girls and outsource your request to them, to who's available. I use it mostly to filter the ones who do "incall only" as these are generally "real" with 20-30 % photoshop and possible 1-2 year old photos. But it's usually that girl cause too many turning away would be bad reviews on them. Not sure if I can post a TG link here, once you get one account access however you can see what groups they in and thus branch out to the many groups online.

Thanks for the heads up and yes shanghai became crazy expensive now a days. But for 7-.

8-9 lookers / 1.2/1.6 k is OK as "M" Vietnamese chicks are asking for 2 k. As to TG, no need to mention the link just give some ideas on search works like " shanghai out call" or flbb for ID etc. I can manage a bit Chinese writing / speaking / reading hence can navigate from there. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2804458]Not sure buildings going to help you much lest you want to stay in lobby and hunt down obvious looking girls? LOL.

But for example the Jinao neqta hotel / serviced place has 3-4 I know of operating in who are definitely in the 7-9 looker category for 1200/1600 one shot yes shanghai is expensive esp for "stunners" which in my books is young slim 160-175 ish. Phoenix building near xujiahui swimming center from Dong a road and thereabouts has many of the cheaper 600-800 per shot but they are more like 5-6 in looks. You just need to find them online.

TG is very Fake as I Said, it's mostly agents for outcall with fake photos, they got a group where they got available girls and outsource your request to them, to who's available. I use it mostly to filter the ones who do "incall only" as these are generally "real" with 20-30 % photoshop and possible 1-2 year old photos. But it's usually that girl cause too many turning away would be bad reviews on them. Not sure if I can post a TG link here, once you get one account access however you can see what groups they in and thus branch out to the many groups online.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2804797]Thanks for the heads up and yes shanghai became crazy expensive now a days. But for 7-.

8-9 lookers / 1.2/1.6 k is OK as "M" Vietnamese chicks are asking for 2 k. As to TG, no need to mention the link just give some ideas on search works like " shanghai out call" or flbb for ID etc. I can manage a bit Chinese writing / speaking / reading hence can navigate from there. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]When was last time you found good number or anything in M with Viets? I went twice in last month, albeit on Wednesday and Thursday because I wanted to avoid weekend crowds at 23:00 and absolutely didn't find anyone like maybe 2-4 girls each time and each occupied by 5-6 locals playing games Like normal drinking girls.

This is a TG link channel that gives you access to multiple channels from shanghai to all of China groups. Again beware outcall mostly fake agents (50-100 to get to you taxi fare and you can reject them then) or just try to find incalls 10-30% photoshop, photos may be 1-3 years old. [URL]https://t.me/aiweier3829[/URL].

Thanks mate for the TG. As to "M" I do agree with you that in recent times the quality of the girls went down whereas the prices were skyrocketed. Hence said your prices in TG seems ok if they are tall / thin types. On Fridays / Sat in general the crowd will be more but in recent times (after covid and all) it's worthless to visit.

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2804949]When was last time you found good number or anything in M with Viets? I went twice in last month, albeit on Wednesday and Thursday because I wanted to avoid weekend crowds at 23:00 and absolutely didn't find anyone like maybe 2-4 girls each time and each occupied by 5-6 locals playing games Like normal drinking girls.

This is a TG link channel that gives you access to multiple channels from shanghai to all of China groups. Again beware outcall mostly fake agents (50-100 to get to you taxi fare and you can reject them then) or just try to find incalls 10-30% photoshop, photos may be 1-3 years old. [URL]https://t.me/aiweier3829[/URL].[/QUOTE]

OK so new Manhattan now at 56 Maoming Nan Lu and is open and operating in a very limited format. It is brand new fit out inside. Very loud music. Lots of flashing lights.

I was there 3 nts May 26,27 and 28. First nt there was about 10 or so Viets there with about 30+ guys. I cut a little stunner from the herd for 23 K ST. 2nd not about 4 or 5 Viets only - 1 older Mongolian who I took who gave fabulous service. 3rd nt Mgmt had visit from Police early and were told no Viets so ZERO Viets 3rd nt. Just 50 Chinese guys sitting around playing with their dicks and phones. I was only foireigner in the bar on any of these 3 nts.

I msg the Viet from 1st nt and she was hiding about 100 mtrs away so repeated. Pcs attached.

Judys rumoured to be open Wed to Sun nt but I think it has closed again. Vue at Hyatt on the Bund closed. Very verey few options nowadays. Hopefully will imnprove when foreigners return in numbers.

I'm finally able to visit family again in China. Haven't been back since pre-2017 crackdown and now a lot of things changed. Don't really see any noticeable places as much. I am currently in Minhang District behind the Korea town. Any recommendations for a sauna or massage place? There is a Korea sauna here but it seems pretty legit.

[QUOTE=Vindylst;2806658]I'm finally able to visit family again in China. Haven't been back since pre-2017 crackdown and now a lot of things changed. Don't really see any noticeable places as much. I am currently in Minhang District behind the Korea town. Any recommendations for a sauna or massage place? There is a Korea sauna here but it seems pretty legit.[/QUOTE]Saunas disappeared a long time ago. I think there's still a small number of HJ massage shops in the longming Road / Caobao Road area, not far from where you are. The shops down there were closed for a while but I think there are a few places open again. Can't guarantee you'll find anything as I've not tried down there for a while, but maybe head for low-key shops with small, basic storefronts, marked simply 'Spa' with a couple of Chinese characters. And let us know on here if you find anything.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2806910]Saunas disappeared a long time ago. I think there's still a small number of HJ massage shops in the longming Road / Caobao Road area, not far from where you are. The shops down there were closed for a while but I think there are a few places open again. Can't guarantee you'll find anything as I've not tried down there for a while, but maybe head for low-key shops with small, basic storefronts, marked simply 'Spa' with a couple of Chinese characters. And let us know on here if you find anything.[/QUOTE]Before I start the review I do want to add that all the conversation wete in chinese. I did run into a massage place that offered HJ and BJ. It was in that plaza by the intersection of hongquan Road and hongxin Road. There is actually 3 there. Two actually had the neon lights LOL. The three makes a triangle and I think all three are on the second floor. If your facing hongquan Road the one I went to is the middle one. There is another was to left that had only white lights. Seemed legit so didn't check it out. On the right is another neon light one but its a different building.

I was greeted by a guy manager asking me what I wanted. I just said foot massage cause I honestly didn't know what to expect and I did really need one. Was led to the room and the manager said a masseuse will be with you shortly. I could hear multiple foot steps and all in heels. Which seemed like a good sign so far. Shortly I was greeted by a number. She seemed upper 30's and decent looking. No ass and had an ok figure. She wore a uniform with a pretty low cut top so here cleavage was showing, but she didn't wear a skirt. I had a pretty good feeling at this point this is at least an HJ joint. She soaked my foot and asked if I wanted a leg massage or shoulder. I took it as some code speech and said leg then moved the pillow off my crotch. She then massaged me for less than 30's before asking me if I wanted 油21387;12290;I said yes and we proceeded to switch tables and I got naked and out in those one time use shorts. She started with oil massage which felt good especially since I was sore. After maybe 15 minutes she started to fo this tickle thing with her fingers. She worked down my body while making moaning sounds. Then she proceeded with playing with junior. I flipped and she asked me if I wanted BJ for extra. I agreed and she proceeded with cleaning me up then wrapping me with a plastic bag of sort then proceeded with the BJ. I played with her tits and ass and proceeded to ask her what's the highest level of service yall offer. She said this is the highest for today. Thats when I felt her wearing some padded panties. I finally nutted in her mouth with the plastic on. She wiped me down with warm towel.

Good experience overall. If I had know I would of throw the manager a 100 and asked for someone hotter. Also I am sure the one in the building next also offer the same type.

Also as a side question where do we find hot girls now? KTV and escort? Whats a reliable site?

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2806134]OK so new Manhattan now at 56 Maoming Nan Lu and is open and operating in a very limited format. It is brand new fit out inside. Very loud music. Lots of flashing lights.

I was there 3 nts May 26,27 and 28. First nt there was about 10 or so Viets there with about 30+ guys. I cut a little stunner from the herd for 23 K ST. 2nd not about 4 or 5 Viets only - 1 older Mongolian who I took who gave fabulous service. 3rd nt Mgmt had visit from Police early and were told no Viets so ZERO Viets 3rd nt. Just 50 Chinese guys sitting around playing with their dicks and phones. I was only foireigner in the bar on any of these 3 nts.

I msg the Viet from 1st nt and she was hiding about 100 mtrs away so repeated. Pcs attached.

Judys rumoured to be open Wed to Sun nt but I think it has closed again. Vue at Hyatt on the Bund closed. Very verey few options nowadays. Hopefully will imnprove when foreigners return in numbers.[/QUOTE]Nice tits! Are they real?

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2804949]When was last time you found good number or anything in M with Viets? I went twice in last month, albeit on Wednesday and Thursday because I wanted to avoid weekend crowds at 23:00 and absolutely didn't find anyone like maybe 2-4 girls each time and each occupied by 5-6 locals playing games Like normal drinking girls.

This is a TG link channel that gives you access to multiple channels from shanghai to all of China groups. Again beware outcall mostly fake agents (50-100 to get to you taxi fare and you can reject them then) or just try to find incalls 10-30% photoshop, photos may be 1-3 years old. [URL]https://t.me/aiweier3829[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thank you for link. Any other sources you use? I am also ABC and I can speak fluently. However my reading skills is basically elementary level. I have another week solo in Shanghai and I've checked out the TG link but none seems reliable and I'm lazy to try to translate all of them. Mainly looking for a place with 8-9 on looks and price doesn't matter too much as long as the pics are reliable. Don't think ill have freedom like this for a long time.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2806910]Saunas disappeared a long time ago. I think there's still a small number of HJ massage shops in the longming Road / Caobao Road area, not far from where you are. The shops down there were closed for a while but I think there are a few places open again. Can't guarantee you'll find anything as I've not tried down there for a while, but maybe head for low-key shops with small, basic storefronts, marked simply 'Spa' with a couple of Chinese characters. And let us know on here if you find anything.[/QUOTE]Shanghai these days reminds me of Seoul in the 2010's, it's fast cleaning up. Good MPs closed for weeks and those that are open are risky and down market. Seems a lot have moved out to Minhang and further. Westerners are not as interesting, attractive or appealing as a source of income any more. I'd recommend taking up coffee tasting if you want a hobby that will get you out and about around Shanghai these days, it's a lot safer and more rewarding.

[QUOTE=Vindylst;2807726]Before I start the review I do want to add that all the conversation wete in chinese. I did run into a massage place that offered HJ and BJ. It was in that plaza by the intersection of hongquan Road and hongxin Road. There is actually 3 there. Two actually had the neon lights LOL. The three makes a triangle and I think all three are on the second floor. If your facing hongquan Road the one I went to is the middle one. There is another was to left that had only white lights. Seemed legit so didn't check it out. On the right is another neon light one but its a different building.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, appreciate it. How much did you pay in total?

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2808162]Thanks for the report, appreciate it. How much did you pay in total?[/QUOTE]Damage was ¥599. Isn't too bad IMO seeing as in the states its more plus tip.

I have noticed that more and more gals are open to bareback these days, including WGs. While I am barebacking them, I ask them if they are okay with this, how can we do this, and what if I CIP? Their response is almost always, "yao chi. " They are taking medicine. But what medicine are they taking? Are they on birth control, or are they taking some kind of morning after pill, or are they taking something else altogther?

And yeah, I am sure more gals have become open to barebacking because they are desperate for money, which they did not make much of during the past several years.

Sorry for posting this in both the Beijing and Shanghai threads. I monger in both places and know fellow senior members in both forums.

I know of one that I don't think anyone on here knows about. Tip is very reasonable. Senior members can PM me for the address and details. I do not want to post the info on the open forum, because if a ton of foreigners start showing up at that place then it will get shut down, which is what happened to the famous 76 Changshou.

Please advise or DM location or address.

I will share my experience post visit.

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Been a while that I've visited Shanghai. Over 4 years. Gather from the last few posts that a lot has changed. My friend tells me about Judy's that is an option to meet some working girls! Is that a thing? Anyone with any recent experience? I really want to meet someone who I can hangout with for a few drinks and take back to the hotel for some more. Any pointers to any bars / establishments or any direct contacts of working girls would be really appreciated.

I'm based in Singapore and travel to Thailand quite a bit. Look me up when you are in the region and we can exchange notes or even hangout for a few drinks!

Cheers.

Simba.

Judy's Spot now open and operating again. Girls start arriving from about 9:30 pm on. All Viets and only a dozen or so over last week. I am sure more will be arriving.

But things have changed dramatically. RMB2,000 to RMB2,500ST will be what you are quoted if indeed any of the firls are interested in you if you are a foreigner as they swarm for the local Chinese guys.

Oh and the music is horrifically loud and the flashing lights can blind you.

Same same Manhattan at it's new location on Maoming Lu. Small number of Viets swarming around the local Chinese guys but in both locations there are a limited number of girls who will go with foreigners.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2815884]Judy's Spot now open and operating again. Girls start arriving from about 9:30 pm on. All Viets and only a dozen or so over last week. I am sure more will be arriving.

But things have changed dramatically. RMB2,000 to RMB2,500ST will be what you are quoted if indeed any of the firls are interested in you if you are a foreigner as they swarm for the local Chinese guys.

Oh and the music is horrifically loud and the flashing lights can blind you.

Same same Manhattan at it's new location on Maoming Lu. Small number of Viets swarming around the local Chinese guys but in both locations there are a limited number of girls who will go with foreigners.[/QUOTE]Yeah my experience is pretty much same. Plus many chinese also give them 600-800 for 1-2 hour of accompanied drinking then 2-2500 for a quickie, the viet could finish all this by midnight and try to catch a second for the night. All this makes it a poor rushed experience.

Been in Shanghai for a month or so and only have experienced MP in other cities near by. I have t had the need to do much mongering because I find myself at found 158 and being a foreigner there is very easy to pick up local girls and also foreign girls. I just downloaded telegram and if any memebers have any good contacts with MP or independent girls please send them to my PM. As I monger throughout Shanghai more I will be sure to update what I find.

Most of my experience is in South America and Europe so if you need any help while traveling don't hesitate to contact me. I will be in China for the next year so hopefully I can bring you guys a lot of great gems.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2815884]Same same Manhattan at its new location on Maoming Lu. Small number of Viets swarming around the local Chinese guys but in both locations there are a limited number of girls who will go with foreigners.[/QUOTE]Yes, I've heard the supply of Viet girls is very limited so prices will stay high. The girls say that more are coming, and that they are just now able to get visas to come back, but time will tell. For now it's a sellers market.

[QUOTE=Vindylst;2807726]I did run into a massage place that offered HJ and BJ. It was in that plaza by the intersection of hongquan Road and hongxin Road. There is actually 3 there. Two actually had the neon lights LOL. The three makes a triangle and I think all three are on the second floor. If your facing hongquan Road the one I went to is the middle one. There is another was to left that had only white lights. Seemed legit so didn't check it out. On the right is another neon light one but its a different building.[/QUOTE]The inability of most users of this forum to post a coherent address, especially by those claiming to speak Chinese, continues to baffle me.

I was in Shanghai for one night and decided to find some action. Decided to head to Manhatten that was my favorite in old days. It was easy to find and they operate in a small venue and ut was full when I arrived there around 2330. I could not get in and stopped at the bar and ordered a beer. Suddnedly I was surrounded by couple if viets and ended up talking to a very petite girl named Ha. She said she was 23 and wround 45 kg. She asked for 2000 and agreed and left to hotel. Nice girl not a pro. Agreed 3500 overnight at hotel. Paid by Alipay. She stayed until morning and had 3 rounds with her. Maybe the rates are higher as with everything today but all in all enjoyable. What surprised me most was that we could walk straight to the room, no questions asked.

I think thru the years there is little mention of Cherry here, she has been for many years and she is super cool not to mention her very nice oral skills, humor, clean place as well as good proportioned butt and melons.

[QUOTE=SuperNice2;2821302]I think thru the years there is little mention of Cherry here, she has been for many years and she is super cool not to mention her very nice oral skills, humor, clean place as well as good proportioned butt and melons.[/QUOTE]Very little mention of her probably because most of us already know her and have enjoyed her. Beautiful and nice gal, with great DFK. She was an ATF for many of us, including me. She may now have surpassed Beverly Jones as the most well known and most liked WG in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Jes007;2819599]I was in Shanghai for one night and decided to find some action. Decided to head to Manhatten that was my favorite in old days. It was easy to find and they operate in a small venue and ut was full when I arrived there around 2330. I could not get in and stopped at the bar and ordered a beer. Suddnedly I was surrounded by couple if viets and ended up talking to a very petite girl named Ha. She said she was 23 and wround 45 kg. She asked for 2000 and agreed and left to hotel. Nice girl not a pro. Agreed 3500 overnight at hotel. Paid by Alipay. She stayed until morning and had 3 rounds with her. Maybe the rates are higher as with everything today but all in all enjoyable. What surprised me most was that we could walk straight to the room, no questions asked.[/QUOTE]Good to hear. Is it true that the girls only pay attention to Chinese guys and ignore Caucasians?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2822114]Good to hear. Is it true that the girls only pay attention to Chinese guys and ignore Caucasians?[/QUOTE]I was there for a short while, max 30 min and I did not feel that way at all as there were several girls made eye contact. By the way, I am not white. I am European with Sri Lankan origin.

[QUOTE=SuperNice2;2821302]I think thru the years there is little mention of Cherry here, she has been for many years and she is super cool not to mention her very nice oral skills, humor, clean place as well as good proportioned butt and melons.[/QUOTE]I met her 3 times last year. Agreed that her body is amazing but I didn't get the GFE that some reviewers talked about. She didn't talk much and my hands weren't able to explore her body freely. Also couldn't have a shower with her. I was excited when I saw her advertisement and beauty matched in real life but just felt disappointed after each visit.

Hi All!

Where is a better choice now. Judi's or Manhattan?

I read the Shanghai and Beijing pages and realize that the China I knew doesn't exist anymore. It seems like the Chinese guys and the ABCs (plus Bad Billy) know how to find pussy. But for the rest of us it would be very difficult to find a girl for full service sex.

I am a white guy who does not know more than a few words of Chinese. Manhattan might be open one night (and the vietnamese girls may be hungry enough for business to pay me attention) and closed the next.

Am I being too pessimistic? I was just invited to Nanjing, but I am leaning towards turning down the offer. I would prefer BKK, Manila and even Tokyo from what I read.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2824699]I read the Shanghai and Beijing pages and realize that the China I knew doesn't exist anymore. It seems like the Chinese guys and the ABCs (plus Bad Billy) know how to find pussy. But for the rest of us it would be very difficult to find a girl for full service sex.

I am a white guy who does not know more than a few words of Chinese. Manhattan might be open one night (and the vietnamese girls may be hungry enough for business to pay me attention) and closed the next.

Am I being too pessimistic? I was just invited to Nanjing, but I am leaning towards turning down the offer. I would prefer BKK, Manila and even Tokyo from what I read.[/QUOTE]No reason. If you know nothing only you got left is Judy and Manhattan and it's pretty much Viets. Even locals are hard now need some game need some looks need lots of time.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2824699]I read the Shanghai and Beijing pages and realize that the China I knew doesn't exist anymore. It seems like the Chinese guys and the ABCs (plus Bad Billy) know how to find pussy. But for the rest of us it would be very difficult to find a girl for full service sex.

I am a white guy who does not know more than a few words of Chinese. Manhattan might be open one night (and the vietnamese girls may be hungry enough for business to pay me attention) and closed the next.

Am I being too pessimistic? I was just invited to Nanjing, but I am leaning towards turning down the offer. I would prefer BKK, Manila and even Tokyo from what I read.[/QUOTE]Shanghai is pretty much back to precovid status. Most MPs from back then are open, new ones have reopened to compensate those closing.

It isn't an open sex desrination though. You have to do your homework, be descreet and speak some chinese.
For the lazy ones there is still sng / mr and a couple bars.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2825195]Shanghai is pretty much back to precovid status. Most MPs from back then are open, new ones have reopened to compensate those closing.

It isn't an open sex desrination though. You have to do your homework, be descreet and speak some chinese.
For the lazy ones there is still sng / mr and a couple bars.[/QUOTE]Pretty much spot on accurate.

Sinofaguo, are you in Shanghai these days? If so, then send me a PM and we can compare notes.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2825352]If so, then send me a PM and we can compare notes.[/QUOTE]Sent you a pm with a few places I've been to lately and others I haven't had time to try :)

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2827790]Sent you a pm with a few places I've been to lately and others I haven't had time to try :)[/QUOTE]Didn't receive it.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2827790]Sent you a pm with a few places I've been to lately and others I haven't had time to try :)[/QUOTE]Got it and replied, but I think your inbox is full and cannot get messages.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2827790]Sent you a pm with a few places I've been to lately and others I haven't had time to try..[/QUOTE]Hello, I would appreciate if you could also forward me the places.

Thanks!

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[QUOTE=Questions;2832174]Hello, I would appreciate if you could also forward me the places.

[/QUOTE]Contribute activly to the community and I will.

[QUOTE=GuyxUK;2796285]Tried a couple new massage parlor. 1) yongjia between south shaanxi and Jiashan. Window shop. Wouldn't bother to report as it's the usual HJ type window shop with ugly older women. But on occasion they have a girl mid 30's who has massive boobs so worth checking out if you are a boob man. She only seems to be in once a week so not worth checking in less you live in the area. Cost 500 for average HJ but lots of boobs in face play. 2) Nextr corner of Ruijin / Taikang. Advertised as Spa. Went in and there were quite a lot of women. Mostly 6's. She gives me a massage for 400 but then asks for a tip for extras. Very bad handjob. Not worth it. Anyone know of any places like the ones on Wanping and Jumen. The 499 full body and tongue bath. Big fan of the Jumen place but they are closed since last week and the boss doesn't know when they will be open again.[/QUOTE]Hi, I'm a long time lurker and was active many years ago (when saunas were still present, I was a regular at the one underneath the hotel inside Shanghai Stadium in Xuhui).

I read all the posts and I'd like to contribute first before asking, but unfortunately my sources are all outdated.

Could you please elaborate on MP 1, is it on the corner between yongjia and shaanxi? And is the massive boob girl skinny / regular fit or fat (would you estimate above 60 kg?) please help a fellow boob man LOL!

Thanks in advance, I'll try to post a few experiences once I get some action.

If you are new to Shanghai and are looking to monger, then my best advice is to book a gal on Nightlife Online (see China classified forum). This is the easiest way to do it. Some of them can host, some cannot. The pictures are largely accurate. The reviews of the gals are pretty accurate too.

I am absolutely not a shill for that service. But I am friends with most of the gals on there, some I have known for many years, and so I am trying to help them by bringing business to them.

Regarding other venues: the pickup bar scene now sucks (read the forum) and there is no sauna scene. But if you are Chinese and can speak Chinese, then there's much more avaliable to you, but I am not Chinese nor can I speak Chinese, and so I do not know their scene.

For MPs, unless it is a famous chain, most offer extras, but mostly just a happy ending. Choose the SPA option on the menu. But it will be quite expensive.

The to my knowledge current P4P situation in Shanghai is:

NLO: nightlife online (in classifieds) free registered membership is required, about 8-10 girls sometimes rotating. If you don't want to register or wait for approval then see below. Slightly cheaper overall depending on girl for foreigners orientated market.

MR: Massage Republic. Some of the girls in NLO are also on MR, but there's also some that aren't like a couple of viets, couple latinas, couple Africans. Not sure about the Russians there Iam pretty sure it's all agency, but the others should be mostly individuals. Prices usually like 2000 + taxi on average for 1 h there though.

Judy and Manhattans: both moved depending on when the last time you were in Shanghai / there. But now have anywhere from 5-15 viet girls in most days. Most of them speak chinese now due to Covid starving out foreigners last 3 years. Most of them do also now drinking with you for a fee just like how the chinese like it. That's 800 for 1-2 hours drinking and 2000-2500 for ST after.

Massage places: mostly down, they couldn't survive the 3 year China strict Covid pandemic, no one in this industry who were selling flesh could due to the GPS, lockdown, policing back then in terms of contact etc which felt a bit george orwelly at some point. However if you walk around in the old places such as Jia Shan / shanxi / yuyuan / haifang road in the city center areas or the hongqiao / gubei areas and try to look into massage places that are more rundown and shady you will get be able to get a handy for a fee. Quality pretty low though. Prices really vary from the package you select to girl. 300-2000.

SA: seeking arrangements, not really working here since you need a veep and most locals don't know, but you bet that most working girls / agents do actually know what is a veep as they use it for telegram, see below. SA doesn't work like it does in other Asian cities or Europe, but occasionally 1-2 travelers or others can be found. If you have a sub for whatever reason it can't hurt to have a look for a lottery hit.

Telegram: there's actually a lot of users on telegram, which requires a veep to use use. But most of them, up to 80-90% are agents who have access to girls for almost any time of the day like 10 am-2 am. Just be prepared that the girl won't be the same as you see on picture 90% of the time. They just advertise once they catch a fish (I. E. You, they outsource the girl and give you whoever first says they available / whoever they have a good past working relationship before). Generally speaking the girls aren't "bad looking", just may not be what you desired, so if you keep expectations low you may be surprised. There's like 30 channels with dozen of girls and agents posting, once you have one you can see other channels they in and expand from there. If no one gives you a link then try to telegram feature: "find people nearby. " This will usually give you a contact and then you can work your way into group channels as they usually have links somewhere. Just again don't expect the pics to be true. 800-3000.

Aish123/ QQ: this used to be a website (it got shut down recently) that showed working girls (unlike telegram this used to be 70% really then and not agents, or at least agents that posted true pics), similar how fiwigirls in thai or viet girls in Dubai work). These qq girls are usually the real deal, and live in small apartments all around and you have to go to them. They don't do outcalls like ever. So some issue for white boys because you may stand out. This is very local, expect to translate just like you would in Thailand using this method. Usually if you find a couple qq girls they have "sister" they post their QR codes. 800 to 2500 for "models".

GSX: gongzuosi not sure why it's a X or smth. Essentially it's the viet way in Dubai where several girls working together rent out same places in a hotel or building so apartment 1 a has one 1 b has one 1 c has one etc and they often managed. Usually far from city center and usually advertise via qq / WeChat agent. Not sure how you can find them now, apart from the above methods listed or knowing agent contacts, which I won't share here because.

Clubs etc: since Bar rogue and m1 nt closed there's not really any clubs anymore where you could have for sure targeted WG nowadays. Back then you could say BR, even further back after party places like fabric, amber etc even more major chinese EDM places close to manhattan Judy like myst could find after 2-3 am but there's none concentrated now. I would say if you like the clubbing style you first need to have game, be younger side, then prolly hit the new INS project in fuxing park, found158, system, revolucion, la suite etc and the usual after suspects. If you know you know.

Saunas: tbh I see and her advertisements for sauna but Iam not sure they truly exist and due to the LE nature Iam not trusting to test it. Prices from 800-1200 is often advertised and I don't believe that is a valid pricing in the current market for saunas so I don't want to try. But there's enough ads for it that, if you follow some of my above posts you can also find it.

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2833805]The to my knowledge current P4P situation in Shanghai is:[/QUOTE]Very good overview. The only think I would add is that massage parlors are extremely easy to find. That sector of the market is alive and well.

First of all, I am a VERY old member (over 15 years) but back in a new incarnation due to marital security reasons. Anyhow, as many of you know, the great MP on Wanping Nan Lu is gone (discovered after a too-long Didi ride). Wondering what there might be why'all could suggest in the Bund / Nanjing Rd. Area, though other locations are feasible too. I hope to get my Senior Member status back at some point, so PM not viable right now. Thanks!!

[QUOTE=GaoXing;2833921]Very good overview. The only think I would add is that massage parlors are extremely easy to find. That sector of the market is alive and well.[/QUOTE]Hi all.

As Gao Xing just mentioned, the MP scene is very much alive and well it just works a bit differently compared with a few years ago.

I started writing a few notes about the current MP scene in Shanghai, and it turned into a full blown essay.

I've posted some screen shots for senior members, and maybe I'll post normally at a later time if more mongers start contributing on this forum again.

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2833805]
Massage places: mostly down, they couldn't survive the 3 year China strict Covid pandemic, no one in this industry who were selling flesh could due to the GPS, lockdown, policing back then in terms of contact etc which felt a bit george orwelly at some point. However if you walk around in the old places such as Jia Shan / shanxi / yuyuan / haifang road in the city center areas or the hongqiao / gubei areas and try to look into massage places that are more rundown and shady you will get be able to get a handy for a fee. Quality pretty low though. Prices really vary from the package you select to girl. 300-2000.
[/QUOTE]Gubei didn't get dry because of covid but because of local police changes and a girl being killed before covid which caused 2/3 of the gubei scene to close down the other third using tricks to survive such as going semi legit. There are still a few places on HML and near LSGL with former girls from gubei working there.

Shanghai did ok covid wise untill March 22 and several mps are still around new opened which compensate those missing.

Most TG places from before / during covid are still around and many opened in the CSL area.

Some zones in SH are more affected than others MH and XH had most of the MPs and still have some but get much more frequent raids.

As pointed out by Rodneey there is a lot on TG both MP wise but p4 p too. While some are be&S, real models can be found too. Haven't been scammed yet but some seem very shady so I passed.

Yeah Iam not much of a person to go to shops because of raid. So I bow down to all your superior knowledge on those fronts. But as I said TG is very much alive which is in my other paragraph. It's prolly the highest amount to find anywhere, and Iam pretty sure Iam one of the first person here to mention TG, no one did before unless Iam severely mistaken, pretty much everyone's keeping their cards to themselves until I did LOL.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2834479]Gubei didn't get dry because of covid but because of local police changes and a girl being killed before covid which caused 2/3 of the gubei scene to close down the other third using tricks to survive such as going semi legit. There are still a few places on HML and near LSGL with former girls from gubei working there.

Shanghai did ok covid wise untill March 22 and several mps are still around new opened which compensate those missing.

Most TG places from before / during covid are still around and many opened in the CSL area.

Some zones in SH are more affected than others MH and XH had most of the MPs and still have some but get much more frequent raids.

As pointed out by Rodneey there is a lot on TG both MP wise but p4 p too. While some are be&S, real models can be found too. Haven't been scammed yet but some seem very shady so I passed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2834479]As pointed out by Rodneey there is a lot on TG both MP wise but p4 p too. While some are be&S, real models can be found too. Haven't been scammed yet but some seem very shady so I passed.[/QUOTE]Tried p4 p on TG just once last October. I guess I got lucky as the gal was the same as the pics in her profile. Completely independent freelancer with her own place, no middleman, cute, 26 yo, contacted her on TG directly. So they do exist, you just have to search them out. AR, CBJ, FS 800 rmb 1 pop, 45 minutes. However contacting / finding the gals, checking their compound, checking that they accept foreigners, etc takes time and hassle, so I haven't done any more since. Although there's less harder stuff available in MPs, they are way more convenient.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2834655]Tried p4 p on TG just once last October. I guess I got lucky as the gal was the same as the pics in her profile. Completely independent freelancer with her own place, no middleman, cute, 26 yo, contacted her on TG directly. So they do exist, you just have to search them out. AR, CBJ, FS 800 rmb 1 pop, 45 minutes. However contacting / finding the gals, checking their compound, checking that they accept foreigners, etc takes time and hassle, so I haven't done any more since. Although there's less harder stuff available in MPs, they are way more convenient.[/QUOTE]Gave a MILF a try begining 2022 she was average but ok service.

Had a model type too 22 year old very nice personality and very curious about foreigners.

Most shady agents didn't want to serve foreigner anyway and I never accept to pay enveloppes in advance.

As for MPs some place looked a bit scary but the outcome was always good, rather cheap and worse I can say is some beeing too mechanical.

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2834650]Yeah Iam not much of a person to go to shops because of raid. So I bow down to all your superior knowledge on those fronts. But as I said TG is very much alive which is in my other paragraph. It's prolly the highest amount to find anywhere, and Iam pretty sure Iam one of the first person here to mention TG, no one did before unless Iam severely mistaken, pretty much everyone's keeping their cards to themselves until I did LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah I MPed Midwestern about MPs I found on TG in Feb. Of lastyear but didn't post publicly here.

What's the sequence for TG? There are literally 100 nearby. I know it's like a cyber dispatch, right? How do I proceed? Some groups have hundreds of members, but I'm scared to join because of spam.

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2835739]What's the sequence for TG? There are literally 100 nearby. I know it's like a cyber dispatch, right? How do I proceed? Some groups have hundreds of members, but I'm scared to join because of spam.[/QUOTE]Never tried TG. Are there good p4 p's on TG?

[QUOTE=BrooklynCyclone;2835761]Never tried TG. Are there good p4 p's on TG?[/QUOTE]I literally described it in post #14316 below.

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2835739]What's the sequence for TG? There are literally 100 nearby. I know it's like a cyber dispatch, right? How do I proceed? Some groups have hundreds of members, but I'm scared to join because of spam.[/QUOTE]Find someone from nearby. They have channels and profiles. Profile you can chat to, channels is where they advertise. Often you can find channels with groups as you said and find more other advertises and providers and expand from there.

Talk to profile girl, which is more than likely to be an agent. If its outcall my experience its bait and switch as I reported in post #14316. For outcall you usually have to give them your address and phone, then they dispatch someone and when they in taxi they usually call you to confirm. On arrival you can leave or take her. If you don't take her be prepared to pay taxi fee. I usually give them an address nearby so if I don't take them they don't make a scene, esp if I don't give taxi fee. I often say nowadays that they need to provide real photo or I don't pay taxi.

If its incall usually its the same girl. If incall just make an appointment, head to the address, usually they tell you not the exact place and ask guide you in the last step either through call or msg. They leave door open so you can go in without knocking / ringing bell, which they will tell you also. Pay and do deed.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2834227]Hi all.

As Gao Xing just mentioned, the MP scene is very much alive and well it just works a bit differently compared with a few years ago.

I started writing a few notes about the current MP scene in Shanghai, and it turned into a full blown essay.

I've posted some screen shots for senior members, and maybe I'll post normally at a later time if more mongers start contributing on this forum again.[/QUOTE]How do you find the ads on T?

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2835803] Pay and do deed.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your advice. How do you pay? Are you really using WC or AP?

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2835911]Thank you for your advice. How do you pay? Are you really using WC or AP?[/QUOTE]Cash or apps doesn't matter much they accept usually all. Cash is obv safer. Just don't do the advance cash before meet.

[QUOTE=ChinoMelon;2832845]Hi, I'm a long time lurker and was active many years ago (when saunas were still present, I was a regular at the one underneath the hotel inside Shanghai Stadium in Xuhui).

I read all the posts and I'd like to contribute first before asking, but unfortunately my sources are all outdated.

Could you please elaborate on MP 1, is it on the corner between yongjia and shaanxi? And is the massive boob girl skinny / regular fit or fat (would you estimate above 60 kg?) please help a fellow boob man LOL!

Thanks in advance, I'll try to post a few experiences once I get some action.[/QUOTE]Update on MP 1 given buy GuyxUK: I walked a few laps around yongjia btwn jiashan and shanxi but I couldn't find any MP, looked for storefronts or window shops. There were various shut doors with no signs outside so maybe it got closed down or there was a mistake in GuyxUK's directions.

Anyways don't waste your time.

Hi Shanghai friends.

Planning a layover at Shanghai soon.

Just curious to know if a general area like for MP and Beauty parlours exist still in Shanghai?

Victor.

Just a quick update on Shanghai. I was there 3 nights Jul 23 to 26 - I did have a couple of contacts from previous visits so daytime action was taken care of. I did not visit Manhattan as girls were telling me a lot girls had shifted from MH to Judys as better business there. Judys did have a few absolutely stunning Viets. I took 3 diff Viets over the 3 nts at 2 K ea. Just perfect bodies and perfect experienced performers. Ther girl on 3rd nt usually sits and talks tio Chinese guys at RMB800 for 2-3 hrs. I did grab her just as she left 1 guy. I was staying 500 mtrs away in Shangri-La so walked there each nt and RMB20 scooter ride back to hotel with conquest each night just a perfect set up.

One of my daytime girls suggested I should go to La Suite where plenty Africans, Russians, Ukrainians etc are working. I did visit but it was closed on Monday nt so check opening before you head there.

Judys is still clearly best bet in town. Have fun.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2840277]

Judys is still clearly best bet in town. Have fun.[/QUOTE]Great update. I'm heading back to Shanghai next month for the first time since 2019. Reading online and here I can see a lot of things have changed / closed down.

Where is the New Judy's location? I often used to have a drink and food in the Blind Pig then head along to Judys later.

Are there other non monger bars to visit still. Eg. Is Laowai Jie or Xintiandi still open?

I miss the days of Zapatas and Sasha's where it was a non mongering option but could still get some action if you wanted.

Keep safe and thanks for anyone who can answer my questions here.

[QUOTE=RebelLeader;2840371]Where is the New Judy's location? I often used to have a drink and food in the Blind Pig then head along to Judys later.

Are there other non monger bars to visit still. Eg. Is Laowai Jie or Xintiandi still open?[/QUOTE]YES same spot. Blind Pig way gone but Pistolera which was above Blind Pig has a big new outlet in Portman Ritz complex. Great tex mex and still walking distance Judys. Chilli's is over the road but is crap compared to Pistolera.

YERS Xin Tian Di still there but with so few foreigners in town now the numbers of working girls also way down. Found 158 is worth a look later in week / weekend but depends how much time you have to waste. Judys is a monty so is def best bet in town.

Hello, do you have the location for La Suite. I will be in town this weekend and can give a better revives after I visit.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2840277]Just a quick update on Shanghai. I was there 3 nights Jul 23 to 26 - I did have a couple of contacts from previous visits so daytime action was taken care of. I did not visit Manhattan as girls were telling me a lot girls had shifted from MH to Judys as better business there. Judys did have a few absolutely stunning Viets. I took 3 diff Viets over the 3 nts at 2 K ea. Just perfect bodies and perfect experienced performers. Ther girl on 3rd nt usually sits and talks tio Chinese guys at RMB800 for 2-3 hrs. I did grab her just as she left 1 guy. I was staying 500 mtrs away in Shangri-La so walked there each nt and RMB20 scooter ride back to hotel with conquest each night just a perfect set up.

One of my daytime girls suggested I should go to La Suite where plenty Africans, Russians, Ukrainians etc are working. I did visit but it was closed on Monday nt so check opoening before you head there.

Judys is still clearly best bet in town. Have fun.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2842575]Hello, do you have the location for La Suite. I will be in town this weekend and can give a better revives after I visit.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure I mentioned La Suite as one of the first in this topic in my report below on all of Shanghai. La Suite is not a hooker bar like Judy and Manhattan at all. Your going to get slapped and maybe even kicked out if you approach people with the mind of 'how much for ST and LT' most of time.

La Suite is a club, with I would say 50% 'models' therefore alot of russians uzbek brazilians, and whilst some of them may be doing some sex work on the side, they rarely display it in the clubs like you might be used to in UAE / Dubai etc. 50% rest are normal party goers students, locals etc.

Your not going to find something like Red Square, Czar, Premier with Russians, uzbeks in Dubai or what used to be Mango, Maggies in Beijing (now closed also) etc. The closest to that in Shanghai is Judy and Manhattans but its filled with Viets 890% and maybe 20% local / thai / africans.

But if after all that you still want to go to La Suite and try your luck or more or less try your game, because again, don't try the pay for play approach, you need to flirt, buy drinks approach here is the link with address and description.

[URL]https://www.smartshanghai.com/venue/24106/la_suite[/URL]

I recently matched with a few girls on tinder and had two specific experiences that I thought I would share.

After matching with the girl, she will typically ask you to meet her close to her "place". Both girls asked me to meet in the proximity of 湖21271;36335;31119;24030;36335; 七20998;29980;38376;21475;35265; which makes me think the scam is operating predominantly put pf this area. They seem to target foreigners and have no issue using English to communicate (but I used mandarin).

After meeting with the girl she will walk with you and then ask if you want a drink.

With the first girl I was brought to a bar. The menu had incredibly inflated drink and food prices. And she proceeded to order a large amount of food and drinks. For two people we had 32 shots of tequila, a large plate of desserts, and two or three cocktails with the total coming to 2800 rmb.

I had been drinking earlier that night with some friends so didn't think much of it until after the bill came and I realized this was likely a scam. And as soon as the bill was piad the girl was in a hurry to get me in a taxi to leave.

The day after I met up with another tinder date who asked me or meet in the same area. The first red flag was she didn't look like her photos, but I decided to run with it to see how this would unfold, with the full intention of only paying for any drinks I purchased for myself and nothing for the girl. We then proceeded to walk and talk with her bringing up the idea of stopping again to have a drink. I told her I was very full from lunch and that I didn't drink alcohol, but she proceeded to pick a bar. After sitting in the bar I decided to change the venue to see how she would react. I had a snarling suspicion that the bar (and the one form the previous night) were all set up together as their menus were almost identical (items, layout, price). To give some perspective, a glass of sprite was 75 rmb. I asked to leave and told her I would prefer a coffee shop. We then walked for a bit longer before she chose another shop in the alley. This coffee shop was small and only had two small rooms that closed off. The server brought me a menus that was IDENTICAL to the ones from the previous two stores. I ordered only a single lemon water (20 rmb) and once again, the girl proceeded to begin ordering alcohol, and a large plate of desserts and fruit that made no sense for two people. After about 10 minutes I told her I needed to leave to meet some friends and she then said that was no problem I just needed to pay for the bill first. I then told her, the north American was that we each paid for what we ordered. She then begin flustered and said that in China the custom is for guys to pay on the first meeting.

I told her because it was the first meeting I wasn't going to lay for a bunch of food that I didn't order for someone I just met. She then tried to get me to at least pay for the drinks saying she would pay for all the desserts by herself.

In the end, I only paid my 20 rmb for my lemon water and then she asked me to leave. It was quite satisfying leaving and watching her pouting over having all the food and drinks left on the table unpaid for.

All these bars seem to be a front to scam customers so I would avoid spots that don't have proper reviews or have no online presence.

Long story short, if you encounter a girl who is pushy and adamant in similar circumstances, you should probably be wary. Stick by your guns and don't get ripped off! I've had some good experiences using dating apps here but still need to be wary as scammers are everywhere.

Happy punting! Don't get baited like me.

I'm trying to catch up with the situation in SH. I've been reading the last few pages and from what I understand you can still get a massage with extras if you find the shady places, but nothing special, or too expensive, did I get it right?

Any specific MP place or girl worth of note?

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2834227]Hi all.

As Gao Xing just mentioned, the MP scene is very much alive and well it just works a bit differently compared with a few years ago.

I started writing a few notes about the current MP scene in Shanghai, and it turned into a full blown essay.

I've posted some screen shots for senior members, and maybe I'll post normally at a later time if more mongers start contributing on this forum again.[/QUOTE]Great Report!

Where can I find the groups to join in the T app?

Also, any MP in particular you would like to share? Specially with a better lineup.

Thanks!

Will be in Shanghai for a few weeks next week. I think there are a lot of guys looking to return after Covid, so looking forward to any tips about some good MP or bars. From what I read, Judy's is still going strong.

[QUOTE=HannyaBoy;2849321]I recently matched with a few girls on tinder and had two specific experiences that I thought I would share.

After matching with the girl, she will typically ask you to meet her close to her "place". Both girls asked me to meet in the proximity of 湖21271;36335;31119;24030;36335; 七20998;29980;38376;21475;35265; which makes me think the scam is operating predominantly put pf this area. They seem to target foreigners and have no issue using English to communicate (but I used mandarin).

After meeting with the girl she will walk with you and then ask if you want a drink.

With the first girl I was brought to a bar. The menu had incredibly inflated drink and food prices. And she proceeded to order a large amount of food and drinks. For two people we had 32 shots of tequila, a large plate of desserts, and two or three cocktails with the total coming to 2800 rmb.

I had been drinking earlier that night with some friends so didn't think much of it until after the bill came and I realized this was likely a scam. And as soon as the bill was piad the girl was in a hurry to get me in a taxi to leave.

The day after I met up with another tinder date who asked me or meet in the same area. The first red flag was she didn't look like her photos, but I decided to run with it to see how this would unfold, with the full intention of only paying for any drinks I purchased for myself and nothing for the girl. We then proceeded to walk and talk with her bringing up the idea of stopping again to have a drink. I told her I was very full from lunch and that I didn't drink alcohol, but she proceeded to pick a bar. After sitting in the bar I decided to change the venue to see how she would react. I had a snarling suspicion that the bar (and the one form the previous night) were all set up together as their menus were almost identical (items, layout, price). To give some perspective, a glass of sprite was 75 rmb. I asked to leave and told her I would prefer a coffee shop. We then walked for a bit longer before she chose another shop in the alley. This coffee shop was small and only had two small rooms that closed off. The server brought me a menus that was IDENTICAL to the ones from the previous two stores. I ordered only a single lemon water (20 rmb) and once again, the girl proceeded to begin ordering alcohol, and a large plate of desserts and fruit that made no sense for two people. After about 10 minutes I told her I needed to leave to meet some friends and she then said that was no problem I just needed to pay for the bill first. I then told her, the north American was that we each paid for what we ordered. She then begin flustered and said that in China the custom is for guys to pay on the first meeting.

I told her because it was the first meeting I wasn't going to lay for a bunch of food that I didn't order for someone I just met. She then tried to get me to at least pay for the drinks saying she would pay for all the desserts by herself.

In the end, I only paid my 20 rmb for my lemon water and then she asked me to leave. It was quite satisfying leaving and watching her pouting over having all the food and drinks left on the table unpaid for.

All these bars seem to be a front to scam customers so I would avoid spots that don't have proper reviews or have no online presence.

Long story short, if you encounter a girl who is pushy and adamant in similar circumstances, you should probably be wary. Stick by your guns and don't get ripped off! I've had some good experiences using dating apps here but still need to be wary as scammers are everywhere.

Happy punting! Don't get baited like me.[/QUOTE]This has been going on for decades. I first encountered it around 2004/2005 even before dating apps etc. Just walking on the Bund attractive girls would come talk to you and ask to go for coffee. My friend fell for it and I followed him. Same story like yours. Lost a couple hundred dollars and learned a lesson.

What is the range of pricing for a typical one hour massage and knob polishing?

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2849602]This has been going on for decades. I first encountered it around 2004/2005 even before dating apps etc. Just walking on the Bund attractive girls would come talk to you and ask to go for coffee. My friend fell for it and I followed him. Same story like yours. Lost a couple hundred dollars and learned a lesson.[/QUOTE]Same in Beijing the tea room scam, the art student scam, the practice english scam, the pretty girls for sex scam, there was even one woman who had a child grab foreigner's legs and demand money to set one free.

And, do not forget the fake pedestrian hit by car scam wherein someone runs and jumps on a car, lays on the road prostrate and then demands compensation.

A lot of this is going on in many countries in one form or another.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=HannyaBoy;2849321]I recently matched with a few girls on tinder and had two specific experiences that I thought I would share.

All these bars seem to be a front to scam customers so I would avoid spots that don't have proper reviews or have no online presence.

Long story short, if you encounter a girl who is pushy and adamant in similar circumstances, you should probably be wary. Stick by your guns and don't get ripped off! I've had some good experiences using dating apps here but still need to be wary as scammers are everywhere.

Happy punting! Don't get baited like me.[/QUOTE]I encountered this too from a Tantan gal on a 2016 SH trip. I went to the station she mentioned and she asked if we could get a drink. I said I could buy some drinks from a local store but she suggested a bar. I said okay but just one drink. We get to the bar and she orders a 80-90 rmb glass of wine while I got a 50-60 rmb beer. Then she says she's hungry so she orders a pizza. Then she ordered another glass of wine and after she finished that, she was about to order a third glass but I stopped her. I told her that was it, no more orders as it was time to leave. So the bill comes and it's about 400-450 rmb. I didn't argue, just paid and left. Needless to say, I didn't score that night! Hahaha! But lesson learned and haven't been scammed since!

[QUOTE=TitanX;2851327]I encountered this too from a Tantan gal on a 2016 SH trip. I went to the station she mentioned and she asked if we could get a drink. I said I could buy some drinks from a local store but she suggested a bar. I said okay but just one drink. We get to the bar and she orders a 80-90 rmb glass of wine while I got a 50-60 rmb beer. Then she says she's hungry so she orders a pizza. Then she ordered another glass of wine and after she finished that, she was about to order a third glass but I stopped her. I told her that was it, no more orders as it was time to leave. So the bill comes and it's about 400-450 rmb. I didn't argue, just paid and left. Needless to say, I didn't score that night! Hahaha! But lesson learned and haven't been scammed since![/QUOTE]If she ate and drank everything that she ordered, then this was not a shakedown for money, and not the typical scam that we are talking about. The bar scams, tearoom scams, practice english scams, etc that we are talking about goes something like this: she takes you somewhere, she orders, and then she goes to the bathroom and never comes back, and the bill arrives and it is thousands of RMB. All you did was buy someone who was very hungry some food.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2851535]If she ate and drank everything that she ordered, then this was not a shakedown for money, and not the typical scam that we are talking about. The bar scams, tearoom scams, practice english scams, etc that we are talking about goes something like this: she takes you somewhere, she orders, and then she goes to the bathroom and never comes back, and the bill arrives and it is thousands of RMB. All you did was buy someone who was very hungry some food.[/QUOTE]Yes it's good to be careful of scams, but some guys just get wayy too paranoid when all the girl wanted was have drinks, eat and get to know you. Unless one's got the looks of an actor, being stingy and paranoid on your first date is the sure-fire way to not get laid.

(I'm not referencing anyone here BTW, just observations of guys I have personally seen).

[QUOTE=HannyaBoy;2849321]I recently matched with a few girls on tinder and had two specific experiences that I thought I would share.

After matching with the girl, she will typically ask you to meet her close to her "place". Both girls asked me to meet in the proximity of 湖21271;36335;31119;24030;36335; 七20998;29980;38376;21475;35265; which makes me think the scam is operating predominantly put pf this area. They seem to target foreigners and have no issue using English to communicate (but I used mandarin).

After meeting with the girl she will walk with you and then ask if you want a drink.

With the first girl I was brought to a bar. The menu had incredibly inflated drink and food prices. And she proceeded to order a large amount of food and drinks. For two people we had 32 shots of tequila, a large plate of desserts, and two or three cocktails with the total coming to 2800 rmb.

[/QUOTE]I got hit by a similar scam from tinder girl. First meet she suggest a hot pot place a few minutes after we meet and I agreed. Proceeds to order all sorts of expensive stuff and alcohol. This was not a high class looking spot so I didn't really pay attention to prices. I thought it would be 1-2 k at most. When the bill came it was over 10k. I negotiated it down to half but still got ripped off badly.

If you find yourself in this position just call the cops. That’s what I regret not doing. It was my first date in China and I was caught unaware and didn’t know how to respond. I will just meet girls for coffee dates first meeting and if they insist on drinking I know it’s probably a scam.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2851535]If she ate and drank everything that she ordered, then this was not a shakedown for money, and not the typical scam that we are talking about. The bar scams, tearoom scams, practice english scams, etc that we are talking about goes something like this: she takes you somewhere, she orders, and then she goes to the bathroom and never comes back, and the bill arrives and it is thousands of RMB. All you did was buy someone who was very hungry some food.[/QUOTE]Back then I wasn't sure if it was a scam or not. Just seemed a little fishy to me at the time. But I guess the fact that I didn't score would confirm your point. LOL! Glad to say I haven't been scammed out of RMB like you guys mentioned.

While we're on the subject of scams, I thought I would try P4 P on TG again yesterday, but I wasn't so lucky this time. I found a profile that seemed legit, exchanged a few messages and arranged to go to her place in one hour. While I was on the way she asked me to transfer 200 RMB up front on WeChat, to confirm I was coming. I said that I only pay in cash and that there are too many scams involving WeChat payment. I posted a photo showing that I was only a couple of metro stops away. She replied and said that if I couldn't make the WeChat transfer, another monger was waiting and could make the upfront payment. I insisted that I only pay cash (by this point I was just round the corner from her place). She then said the other guy just paid the deposit and that she'll take him instead, so that was it.

Most likely a scam I would say, as I have heard of fake providers taking 200 rmb deposits and then disappearing. Remember that 200 rmb is still a fair amount of money to some in China in these less desirable economic times, and so to them it's worth the hustle.

Anyway no big deal, the only thing I lost out of this was about an hour of my time. There are still options on TG, but when you factor in the time and hassle it takes to find anything half decent, you wonder whether it's all worth it.

I never transfer money to any WG. That is indisputable proof of payment. When that famous pianist in China got busted for prostitution a while back, the cops checked his WeChat account and saw the payment to the WG and used that as part of their evidence.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2856234]While we're on the subject of scams, I thought I would try P4 P on TG again yesterday, but I wasn't so lucky this time. I found a profile that seemed legit, exchanged a few messages and arranged to go to her place in one hour. While I was on the way she asked me to transfer 200 RMB up front on WeChat, to confirm I was coming. I said that I only pay in cash and that there are too many scams involving WeChat payment. I posted a photo showing that I was only a couple of metro stops away. She replied and said that if I couldn't make the WeChat transfer, another monger was waiting and could make the upfront payment. I insisted that I only pay cash (by this point I was just round the corner from her place). She then said the other guy just paid the deposit and that she'll take him instead, so that was it.

Most likely a scam I would say, as I have heard of fake providers taking 200 rmb deposits and then disappearing. Remember that 200 rmb is still a fair amount of money to some in China in these less desirable economic times, and so to them it's worth the hustle.

Anyway no big deal, the only thing I lost out of this was about an hour of my time. There are still options on TG, but when you factor in the time and hassle it takes to find anything half decent, you wonder whether it's all worth it.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2857110]I never transfer money to any WG. That is indisputable proof of payment. When that famous pianist in China got busted for prostitution a while back, the cops checked his WeChat account and saw the payment to the WG and used that as part of their evidence.

.[/QUOTE]Indeed. For me it's one of the golden rules. Cash only, and that applies to MPs as well.

Despite the fact that I'd spent time exchanging messages, arranging the visit, traveling there etc. There was no way I was transferring any money on WeChat. Case closed.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2856234]While we're on the subject of scams, I thought I would try P4 P on TG again yesterday, but I wasn't so lucky this time. I found a profile that seemed legit, exchanged a few

Most likely a scam I would say, as I have heard of fake providers taking 200 rmb deposits and then disappearing. Remember that 200 rmb is still a fair amount of money to some in China in these less desirable economic times, and so to them it's worth the hustle.

it.[/QUOTE]It is not just your 200 it is 200 multiplied by number of victims per day or week. Even one victim per day equals 6000 per month.

Teltel.

Hi Guys. I have a stop over in Shanghai coming up. Any advice on how to spend 8 hours in Shanghai? (Ideally advice that involves my cock being pleasured of course.

[QUOTE=BobbyAngel;2858188]Hi Guys. I have a stop over in Shanghai coming up. Any advice on how to spend 8 hours in Shanghai? (Ideally advice that involves my cock being pleasured of course.[/QUOTE]Sure. Read the many contributions posted here and you should have a great time like those who posted them and took the time to share them here.

[QUOTE=BobbyAngel;2858188]Hi Guys. I have a stop over in Shanghai coming up. Any advice on how to spend 8 hours in Shanghai? (Ideally advice that involves my cock being pleasured of course.[/QUOTE]If the layover is at Pudong airport you don't have time. Pudong is just to far outside of Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2858250]Sure. Read the many contributions posted here and you should have a great time like those who posted them and took the time to share them here.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I have read through recent posts but it looks a lot more challenging in Shanghai these days and given my time constraint I need to set a target location and go for it. So I was really just asking what might be logistically the best option. I do of course note the other reply to my original question that my layover isn't long enough. In the past I would have headed to one of the spas in the airport hotels for a rub and tug but I'm not sure if this is still an option.

[QUOTE=BobbyAngel;2858188]Hi Guys. I have a stop over in Shanghai coming up. Any advice on how to spend 8 hours in Shanghai? (Ideally advice that involves my cock being pleasured of course.[/QUOTE]As others have mentioned, given your time constraints, your options are a bit limited. There are a couple of shops on Lancun Road opposite the Hilton Pudong, but they're not so near PVG, about 20-30 min by taxi. I was doing some jobs in that area a couple of years ago, and at that time I think it was around 400-500 for an hour oil massage which included a standard HJ by a late 30's average looking provider in normal unsexy uniform. However, as it's been a couple of years since I was last in that area, I don't know if the shops or services are still the same.

I am just ending a 3 week trip here to see my Shanghai girlfriend for the first time since the epidemic. Besides the obvious good time it seems a little barren now. The streets are cleaned up. Not that I miss the beggars and touts. I tried the expat bars. I have to recommend the double burger at The Shed. Not just big but really good tasting. I was skeptical about the new Judy's but I went last night. The band was really good as you expect from Filipino bands. Nice to see Jimmy, the guitarist from Malone's. Tense looking girls began to arrive during the second set. The barracuda enters the reef. I met a stunning Mongolian.

A good time can still be had.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;2858622]I met a stunning Mongolian.[/QUOTE]Julie with all the tatts? She is the only Mongolian working Judys and she flits bw SH / HK / SH regularly.

Hey guys,

Will be in Shanghai for a long weekend in November and looking for some advice. I'm in my 30's, above average looking and ready to pay, because I will have no time for extensive dating action. My focus is on Asian girls in the age of 20-30, who offer outcall ST or LT. My Chinese is very basic.

So what are the best options for a Friday / Saturday night for a guy like me? I would like to avoid overpriced escorts, so clubs and bars would be my preference for pickup. According to last reports here Judy's seems to be a good option for foreigners. Manhattan and La Suite Club are mentioned as well.

I would be glad, if you can share your experiences with me. Of course I will share mine with you after my return. If anyone would like to meet in Shanghai, let me know as well.

[QUOTE=MikeTraveller;2860025]Hey guys,

Will be in Shanghai for a long weekend in November and looking for some advice. I'm in my 30's, above average looking and ready to pay, because I will have no time for extensive dating action. My focus is on Asian girls in the age of 20-30, who offer outcall ST or LT. My Chinese is very basic.

So what are the best options for a Friday / Saturday night for a guy like me? I would like to avoid overpriced escorts, so clubs and bars would be my preference for pickup. According to last reports here Judy's seems to be a good option for foreigners. Manhattan and La Suite Club are mentioned as well.

I would be glad, if you can share your experiences with me. Of course I will share mine with you after my return. If anyone would like to meet in Shanghai, let me know as well.[/QUOTE]Given the length of your stay and what you're looking for, J and M are probably your only viable P4 P options, and those places are not what they once were, both in terms of choice and value for money. If you're a young good looking guy like you say you are, you could try picking up a normal girl at la suite as you mentioned, or Revolucion 2 minutes walk from there, or one of the bars / clubs down at Found 158, but long gone are the days of young pretty Chinese ladies falling over themselves to go home with a foreigner a couple of hours after meeting them. Still, if you're out in those places, why not give it a go.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2860376]Given the length of your stay and what you're looking for, J and M are probably your only viable P4 P options, and those places are not what they once were, both in terms of choice and value for money. If you're a young good looking guy like you say you are, you could try picking up a normal girl at la suite as you mentioned, or Revolucion 2 minutes walk from there, or one of the bars / clubs down at Found 158, but long gone are the days of young pretty Chinese ladies falling over themselves to go home with a foreigner a couple of hours after meeting them. Still, if you're out in those places, why not give it a go.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Rodneey! I will have 3 evenings and stay at Jing'an area, so I will probably checkout all of them (with low expectations). Regarding Judy's, it's hard find the current address. Anyone knows, which one is the right ATM?

[QUOTE=Tefnx;2833805]The to my knowledge current P4P situation in Shanghai is:

Massage places: mostly down, they couldn't survive the 3 year China strict Covid pandemic, no one in this industry who were selling flesh could due to the GPS, lockdown, policing back then in terms of contact etc which felt a bit george orwelly at some point. However if you walk around in the old places such as Jia Shan / shanxi / yuyuan / haifang road in the city center areas or the hongqiao / gubei areas and try to look into massage places that are more rundown and shady you will get be able to get a handy for a fee. Quality pretty low though. Prices really vary from the package you select to girl. 300-2000. hit.

Saunas: tbh I see and her advertisements for sauna but Iam not sure they truly exist and due to the LE nature Iam not trusting to test it. Prices from 800-1200 is often advertised and I don't believe that is a valid pricing in the current market for saunas so I don't want to try. But there's enough ads for it that, if you follow some of my above posts you can also find it.[/QUOTE]Hi, I have been to Shanghai before covid last time, so I'm thinking that the situation has changed a lot. I will be for two days of business in November, does anyone suggest me a good P4 P sauna or spa place? Better in Pudong Area o Nanpu. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Vindylst;2806658]I'm finally able to visit family again in China. Haven't been back since pre-2017 crackdown and now a lot of things changed. Don't really see any noticeable places as much. I am currently in Minhang District behind the Korea town. Any recommendations for a sauna or massage place? There is a Korea sauna here but it seems pretty legit.[/QUOTE]Hi, I am looking for a P4 P sauna too, possibly close Nanpu or in Pudong. I will be in Shanghai for a business trip in November. Thanks!

[QUOTE=WetRabbit;2860910]Hi, I am looking for a P4 P sauna too, possibly close Nanpu or in Pudong. I will be in Shanghai for a business trip in November. Thanks![/QUOTE]Although saunas were shut down years ago, I have seen a couple advertised on TG. Seems shady and quite expensive compared with the old saunas, so I won't be trying anytime soon. And though I don't have any precise addresses, there are massage places in the Pudong / Nanpu areas offering HJ if you pick the right one.

[QUOTE=MikeTraveller;2860708] Regarding Judy's, it's hard find the current address. Anyone knows, which one is the right ATM?[/QUOTE]As requested.

Hello, does anyone had some experience with this massage center?

[QUOTE=WetRabbit;2861362]Hello, does anyone had some experience with this massage center?[/QUOTE]No, not heard of it. Out of curiosity I just checked her web site, and those prices are pretty high. Smart move for her to target foreigners doing quick searches on Google, and to set up a nice professional web site all in English. I don't think locals would accept those prices.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2861819]No, not heard of it. Out of curiosity I just checked her web site, and those prices are pretty high. Smart move for her to target foreigners doing quick searches on Google, and to set up a nice professional web site all in English. I don't think locals would accept those prices.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reply. In fact the price looks high, especially from where I currently live in China.

Anyway, does someone have some news / suggestions about the red street in Hongqiao Rd? Are there some safe and right nice place to enjoy P4P?

[QUOTE=WetRabbit;2861362]Hello, does anyone had some experience with this massage center?[/QUOTE]I tried her out recently, and while the price is high can say that she gave me my first real full prostate orgasm, and it was really amazing. She has an apartment and studio, but prefers the apartment. She's also friends with Susan Massage that has similar service and pricing. Despite the cost, recommended.

Visited Shanghai a few weeks ago. Judys, in the new location is ok, but misses the old vibe. Lots of Chinese guys sitting / smoking / drinking at tables. Mostly VN girls who will join them and will get a few 100 RMB just for sitting and being nice. Asking about it: most girls don't speak Chinese and the guys don't speak English. I met a nice VN girl, in her 30's, which is fine for me, with some decent English. 2000 RMB for 2 hours. We met the next day in my hotel, I try to avoid the walk of shame at mid night. She was a not a repeat girl: looks were ok, lot of tattoos, hard Botox lips and the push-up bra really did a nice job. In bed she was too fast, trying to get me off a. S. a. P. And too agressive for nice & tender love making. So Jenny from Judys might have a click with other guys, not with me.

The last time I saw my VN favourite was before the outbreak of Covid. We did keep in touch over the last (3 !) years and when I travelled again to China she was really excited. She did find out that J and M were not the same as before and the number of girls from VN was small compared to pre-corona. So little incentive for her to go again. But now it was different. She arrived a day before me and stayed with some friends (probably the be&be she had stayed at before. When I arrived I contacted her and she came right away, she checked in my hotel with 2 suitcases. Her plan was to stay with me for 5 days, as I travelled on, she would try Judys again.

When we met again it was the usual fireworks, and it took her 1 hour to take me over the rainbow. The following days, I would work in day time, she would stay at my hotel room, do some shopping and work-out. We would have dinner in the evening and some culture over the weekend. Making love every night, yes. She was really insatiable, after I came, she always wanted more and more. Some good variations, I love to do the DATY on her, she likes to swallow my load. We took a trip to Greek islands a few times and, since we have known each other for so long, it was all barebacking.

The deal was: I paid her return ticket and visa, and the usual amount for an all-nighter that we agreed on before (plus inflation). Frankly, she did not bring any extra payments up during her stay. We like each others company and she has some kind of vacation away from home. After I left, she tried Judys but it was not the same anymore, she did not like the customers and she is certainly not the youngest in the crowd. Maybe a repeat the coming year, expensive but worth the effort.

Back to Shanghai again after 5 years.

Found a completely different city. Not what it used to be.

MP in Hongqiao area, not far away from Bellagio restaurant. 2 MP in the same building, tried one.

Looked absolutely serious, nothing promising beyond a regular massage. Expensive compared to pre-covid, but still a very good massage.

And. Traraaa! - like in the old times, not long until she started working on Big John. Usual negotiating, settled for a fair price and received a great HJ with her being topless.

Came back the next day, same great relief.

But still, Shanghai is not what it was famous for anymore.

Please enlighten me regarding the abbreviations "VN. Girls" and "advertised on TG". Thanks.

Hope my report on MP in Hongqiao area will be released soon.

More to come after my 2 days stay in Shanghai. .

[QUOTE=XAlexX;2868637]Please enlighten me regarding the abbreviations "VN. Girls" and "advertised on TG". Thanks.

Hope my report on MP in Hongqiao area will be released soon.

More to come after my 2 days stay in Shanghai. .[/QUOTE]VN girls would be Vietnamese, not sure what TG is.

[QUOTE=XAlexX;2868637]Please enlighten me regarding the abbreviations "VN. Girls" and "advertised on TG". Thanks.

Hope my report on MP in Hongqiao area will be released soon.

More to come after my 2 days stay in Shanghai. .[/QUOTE]Look forward to your full report. Make sure you mention total price and service time in the places you visited.

VN is Vietnamese, and TG is the Telegram app, which, despite needing a VPN, the Chinese have been using it for mongering (or 'driving' as they call it, lol) for at least a couple of years now. It's useful for finding naughty MPs and freelancers, but you have to put the work in (everything is in Chinese) and know how to detect the fake stuff, scams, etc. It's probably a bit too much to navigate for someone who's only here for a couple of nights.

You're right that Shanghai has changed a lot in the last few years, but there's still plenty of fun to be had, things just work more discretely these days.

Thanks for the explanation.

VN. Vietnames - is what I found yesterday evening at JUDY's.

Tried it out at the new location. Pretty well visited, not too crowded, good DJ, good Beer.

Lot's of chinese guys, just a few westerners. Lot's of girls, most probably most of the VN. .

Every 5 minutes one of them approaches you, you have a few friendly words with her, waiter will ask you if you would like to spend her a dring. Accepts a friendly „No, not at this time" immediately.

Just stay friendly and if the girl is not what you are looking for, just tell her that you will have another beer alone and she will leave.

Met a heartedly smiling VN girl named „Lyn". Chatted with her for a few minutes, spend her a beer, asked for the cheque. She „offered" 3 K for the whole night, I told her 2 K and it was agreed. Called a cab with Didi, back to the hotel.

Hot tub, red wine, wonderful massage, DATY, BBJ, then she asked for the condom. Great sex, althouhg with her and my size (191 vs 150 cm) and being well equipped, it must have been pretty „deep" for her.)) But I always try to be a gentleman.

GFE all night, at 3 am she woke me up by rubbing Big John, we went for round 3, laughing about waking up the rest of the hotel-floor.

In the morning called her a taxi, exchanged number and WeChat-name.

All in all - 2 K for a wonderful night.

After my nice experience at Judy's thought I added another nice massage.

Kungbao Massage near Bellagios in Hongqiao area.

Went for full body oil when a guy showed up. Asked for a lady, preferably #26. I was lucky, just like 4 weeks ago, my favourite masseuse.

Absolutely great and professional massage, plus her great way of making you so horny before flipping over. Like last time - 300 RMB additional for topless HJ.
After relieving Big John another 15min of massage. Wonderful.

She has beautiful tits BTW.

Hey guys, old member here.

Read through several pages of recent posts, seems like reviews and field reports are a thing of the past. Are there any independents that you guys are seeing and willing to share? I know there's the Shanghai Nightlife website, but I'm interested in real indy's rather than go through an agency. Please share or PM me if you have any regulars to share.

Despite no action and almost getting scammed out of 200 RMB the last time (see post #14351), I thought I would try P4 P on TG again. After a hell of a lot of browsing and dead ends, I found a profile that seemed a little bit too good to be true, but I thought I'd try it anyway. The pics were pretty hot, and she was advertising at just 600 RMB for 1 pop. So I thought, for that price, what the hell, why not go and check it out.

Found the place fairly easily with her instructions. Small studio on 4th floor in a big building on a main road, so fortunately no walking through some crappy compound with old people staring at me. As I walked in she was a bit shocked to see a foreigner. I had already checked to she if she accepted laowai and she said yes, which was when I realized that I had probably been chatting to an agent beforehand and not the gal herself (typical Telegram move). Plus, although she was quite pretty and young (early 20's), it wasn't the same gal in the TG profile (another typical TG move). Anyway she agreed to go once, and I gave her the cash first. I didn't take a full shower, she just quickly washed my cock with some shampoo, dried me, then onto the bed. I got on face down but she said no, lie on your back, so there was no warm up play, massage etc. I was of course still soft at this point but nevertheless she starts a BBBJ and I slowly start to wake up down there. Once hard, she grabs the condom straight away and puts it on, but it's a small Chinese one and it's too tight and painful. I told her I had a bigger one in my bag, so we used that one instead. So she got on top and proceeded to ride me as fast as she could so she could get it over with. I kept asking her to slow down but she wouldn't. It was the first time she's ever been with a laowai, saying she wasn't used to the large size, so I guess she wasn't totally relaxed. She wasn't slowing down, so I was done after a few short minutes, took another shower and got changed.

So all in all, service was far too short and not very satisfying despite the BBBJ and FS. But I guess for just 600 RMB, you get what you pay for. Won't repeat, but will probably jump on TG again and try my luck with another soon.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2870300]Hey guys, old member here.

Read through several pages of recent posts, seems like reviews and field reports are a thing of the past. Are there any independents that you guys are seeing and willing to share? I know there's the Shanghai Nightlife website, but I'm interested in real indy's rather than go through an agency. Please share or PM me if you have any regulars to share.[/QUOTE]Maybe the regular posters got tired of giving out addresses and resources that they had spent a lot of time, risk, and effort to find, to anonymous dudes on the internet who contribute nothing and make no effort, just a thought.

[QUOTE=Rodneey;2870709]Despite no action and almost getting scammed out of 200 RMB the last time (see post #14351), I thought I would try P4 P on TG again. After a hell of a lot of browsing and dead ends, I found a profile that seemed a little bit too good to be true, but I thought I'd try it anyway. The pics were pretty hot, and she was advertising at just 600 RMB for 1 pop. So I thought, for that price, what the hell, why not go and check it out.

Found the place fairly easily with her instructions. Small studio on 4th floor in a big building on a main road, so fortunately no walking through some crappy compound with old people staring at me. As I walked in she was a bit shocked to see a foreigner. I had already checked to she if she accepted laowai and she said yes, which was when I realized that I had probably been chatting to an agent beforehand and not the gal herself (typical Telegram move). Plus, although she was quite pretty and young (early 20's), it wasn't the same gal in the TG profile (another typical TG move). Anyway she agreed to go once, and I gave her the cash first. I didn't take a full shower, she just quickly washed my cock with some shampoo, dried me, then onto the bed. I got on face down but she said no, lie on your back, so there was no warm up play, massage etc. I was of course still soft at this point but nevertheless she starts a BBBJ and I slowly start to wake up down there. Once hard, she grabs the condom straight away and puts it on, but it's a small Chinese one and it's too tight and painful. I told her I had a bigger one in my bag, so we used that one instead. So she got on top and proceeded to ride me as fast as she could so she could get it over with. I kept asking her to slow down but she wouldn't. It was the first time she's ever been with a laowai, saying she wasn't used to the large size, so I guess she wasn't totally relaxed. She wasn't slowing down, so I was done after a few short minutes, took another shower and got changed.

So all in all, service was far too short and not very satisfying despite the BBBJ and FS. But I guess for just 600 RMB, you get what you pay for. Won't repeat, but will probably jump on TG again and try my luck with another soon.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing the experience. I read your previous post as well. From my experience, anything involves prepay is a scam, period! I too have painful experience, although not too much money lost.

I haven't tried TG myself. I have poked around. Girls look too good to be true so I will take it they are all fake pictures. TG is not available without vpn, 99.99% of the WGs don't even know what vpn is so chances are you are talking to an agent. At least you got a real girl, although experience didn't sound too good.

Curious if anyone actually had a good experience from TG.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2870300]Hey guys, old member here.

Read through several pages of recent posts, seems like reviews and field reports are a thing of the past. Are there any independents that you guys are seeing and willing to share? I know there's the Shanghai Nightlife website, but I'm interested in real indy's rather than go through an agency. Please share or PM me if you have any regulars to share.[/QUOTE]Not easy to find real indies. Even when you think you found one, it'll turn out that she still has a pimp. But many MP gals are willing to meet before or after their shift, especially if you are close by. I'm pretty sure these gals are indies. I met many of them outside of their shops. I even got super lucky one time with an MP gal that had her own place, so we could meet there. And she shared me with her friends. That was truly remarkable.

I visited Shanghai after 4 years. As there are no Sauna available, I searched on google (using a vpn).

I got a few sites but main was Massage Republic. Almost all are SP and could not find any Indie.

Almost all photos are fake or heavily modified.

I chatted and call 3 different girls from 3 different contacts. The 1st was was horrible. 2nd was better. They agree for 2 hours and then rush to leave within 45 min. Nobody joins for a shower even though it is discussed.

But the last one was the best. The last digits of the SP were 553. (sexy lingerie, Striptease, Lap dance, BJ, sex, massage. Body to body massage. Shower. Everything*is*OK.) The cost was 1000 RMB inclusive of travelling. Ofcourse the photo was modified but the girl was good looking and the service was quite good. She was not a time watcher. She did a nice strip tease and lap dance. She gave an amazing blow job. She tried to leave. I told her that I had bargained for 1 shot alos. She immediately obliged. We had a nice time. Then I told her that my legs were paining and she massaged me for almost 20 minutes and stopped when I told her. A good GFE. Afterwards I asked her if I can contact her directly. She gave her cell number and offered a rate of 800. I sure could have bargained her to a lower rate. But I was leaving the next day.

But getting a good hit in 1 our of 3 is not great.

SIM card accounts will be blocked if not used every 90 days, and one must go to the mobile store to show ID again to restore it, regardless of money remaining on the account. Anybody have ideas how to get around this? My plan is to have a friend use it while I'm gone. This is most inconvenient in the first 24 hours upon returning. Hotels ask for a cell number and sometimes when buying a train ticket. Free internet sites require a cell number to get a code.

Thanks for sharing this information.

[QUOTE=Jackie6543;2871462]I visited Shanghai after 4 years. As there are no Sauna available, I searched on google (using a vpn).

I got a few sites but main was Massage Republic. Almost all are SP and could not find any Indie.

Almost all photos are fake or heavily modified.

I chatted and call 3 different girls from 3 different contacts. The 1st was was horrible. 2nd was better. They agree for 2 hours and then rush to leave within 45 min. Nobody joins for a shower even though it is discussed.

But the last one was the best. The last digits of the SP were 553. (sexy lingerie, Striptease, Lap dance, BJ, sex, massage. Body to body massage. Shower. Everything*is*OK.) The cost was 1000 RMB inclusive of travelling. Ofcourse the photo was modified but the girl was good looking and the service was quite good. She was not a time watcher. She did a nice strip tease and lap dance. She gave an amazing blow job. She tried to leave. I told her that I had bargained for 1 shot alos. She immediately obliged. We had a nice time. Then I told her that my legs were paining and she massaged me for almost 20 minutes and stopped when I told her. A good GFE. Afterwards I asked her if I can contact her directly. She gave her cell number and offered a rate of 800. I sure could have bargained her to a lower rate. But I was leaving the next day.

But getting a good hit in 1 our of 3 is not great.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=BrooklynCyclone;2871032]Thanks for sharing the experience. I read your previous post as well. From my experience, anything involves prepay is a scam, period! I too have painful experience, although not too much money lost.

I haven't tried TG myself. I have poked around. Girls look too good to be true so I will take it they are all fake pictures. TG is not available without vpn, 99.99% of the WGs don't even know what vpn is so chances are you are talking to an agent. At least you got a real girl, although experience didn't sound too good.

Curious if anyone actually had a good experience from TG.[/QUOTE]My only other TG experience last year was better (see post #14322). No agent involved and the gal had Telegram and a vpn herself, but yeah I don't think that's common. Most WG have still probably never heard of TG or a vpn, so most of the time the contact will be with an agent, but there are some exceptions if you have the time and patience to dig them out.

Hello All, I am an American travelling to Shanghai for business in Mid Jan. What are my options for having good time? My Mandarin skills are non existent. Any contacts shared will be highly appreciated.

[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2878224]Hello All, I am an American travelling to Shanghai for business in Mid Jan. What are my options for having good time? My Mandarin skills are non existent. Any contacts shared will be highly appreciated.[/QUOTE]With non-existent Mandarin skills, then by far the easiest way is Nightlife. See the classified ads. The gals on there a all a bit past their prime, but still good. Rates are kind of high by local standards, but low by USA standards. I am not a shill for them. You can read the forum for other ideas, but you will soon see that other options are not as simple.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2878446]With non-existent Mandarin skills, then by far the easiest way is Nightlife. See the classified ads. The gals on there a all a bit past their prime, but still good. Rates are kind of high by local standards, but low by USA standards. I am not a shill for them. You can read the forum for other ideas, but you will soon see that other options are not as simple.[/QUOTE]Isn't Judy's really the easiest option? See the Viets in person? Their madarin isn't great either. LOL.

Is Manhattan just shuttered? Judys only in person option?

[QUOTE=Jackie6543;2871462]I visited Shanghai after 4 years. As there are no Sauna available, I searched on google (using a vpn).

I got a few sites but main was Massage Republic. Almost all are SP and could not find any Indie.

Almost all photos are fake or heavily modified.

I chatted and call 3 different girls from 3 different contacts. The 1st was was horrible. 2nd was better. They agree for 2 hours and then rush to leave within 45 min. Nobody joins for a shower even though it is discussed.

But the last one was the best. The last digits of the SP were 553. (sexy lingerie, Striptease, Lap dance, BJ, sex, massage. Body to body massage. Shower. Everything*is*OK.) The cost was 1000 RMB inclusive of travelling. Ofcourse the photo was modified but the girl was good looking and the service was quite good. She was not a time watcher. She did a nice strip tease and lap dance. She gave an amazing blow job. She tried to leave. I told her that I had bargained for 1 shot alos. She immediately obliged. We had a nice time. Then I told her that my legs were paining and she massaged me for almost 20 minutes and stopped when I told her. A good GFE. Afterwards I asked her if I can contact her directly. She gave her cell number and offered a rate of 800. I sure could have bargained her to a lower rate. But I was leaving the next day.

But getting a good hit in 1 our of 3 is not great.[/QUOTE]1000 is not a bad rate these days. How did you find these contacts? Care to share third one's mobile?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2878733]Isn't Judy's really the easiest option? See the Viets in person? Their madarin isn't great either. LOL.

Is Manhattan just shuttered? Judys only in person option?[/QUOTE]Thank you sir. Are only viets available at Judys? Or I can get me some mongolians as well.

[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2879379]Thank you sir. Are only viets available at Judys? Or I can get me some mongolians as well.[/QUOTE]It's freelance so in theory you could get anything. But in practice it's Viets. Haven't been since the pandemic and apparently not as much selection but there are some posts on it below. I understand it's the only club game in town. I think Manhattan is closed but that would have to be verified by boots on the ground.

Manhattan very much alive but basically 100% Viets. There was 1 older Mongol working there 2nd 1/2 last year but since moved on. Also occasionally older ugly Chinese but nothing worth a punt.

Same same Judys also basically 100% Viets. Some older Chinese there but not worth a punt. There was 1 Mongol working there regularly but covered in tatts if that's your thing. There is a sprinkling of African girls sometimes. There was 1 stunner who used to arrive very late but I could never catch her. Neither are a patch on what they were pre Covid.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2882637]Manhattan very much alive but basically 100% Viets. There was 1 older Mongol working there 2nd 1/2 last year but since moved on. Also occasionally older ugly Chinese but nothing worth a punt.

Same same Judys also basically 100% Viets. Some older Chinese there but not worth a punt. There was 1 Mongol working there regularly but covered in tatts if that's your thing. There is a sprinkling of African girls sometimes. There was 1 stunner who used to arrive very late but I could never catch her. Neither are a patch on what they were pre Covid.[/QUOTE]That is great news! Absolutely love Manhattan. And for my taste Viets are the prettiest girls in the world. Such a beautiful in between. Can't wait to see Manhattan again!

[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2878224]Hello All, I am an American travelling to Shanghai for business in Mid Jan. What are my options for having good time? My Mandarin skills are non existent. Any contacts shared will be highly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Nightlife. Online is your best bet as a tourist. You'll need wechat but the girls on there are used to dealing with foreigners. Manhattan also seems possible.

[QUOTE=MrClark203;2883382]Nightlife. Online is your best bet as a tourist. You'll need wechat but the girls on there are used to dealing with foreigners. Manhattan also seems possible.[/QUOTE]What is nightlife?

[QUOTE=MrClark203;2883382]Nightlife. Online is your best bet as a tourist. You'll need wechat but the girls on there are used to dealing with foreigners. Manhattan also seems possible.[/QUOTE]I am getting Wechat but is massage republic the best place?

I am contacting following profiles.

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-shanghai/lili-8a05660a-e546-4ae2-b285-a4b985e6af33[/URL]

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-shanghai/amy-02b05999-f2e2-4f6f-ac44-8dcecb0d00ca[/URL]

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-shanghai/women-of-pleasures-sha-bj-gz-sz-tj[/URL]

Any one known to be genuine?

[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2883969]I am contacting following profiles.

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-shanghai/lili-8a05660a-e546-4ae2-b285-a4b985e6af33[/URL]

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-shanghai/amy-02b05999-f2e2-4f6f-ac44-8dcecb0d00ca[/URL]

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-shanghai/women-of-pleasures-sha-bj-gz-sz-tj[/URL]

Any one known to be genuine?[/QUOTE]The third one is genuine, they have been around for many years and you get what you choose but imo they are pricey so I've never tried them.

I'm not sure about the first and second, but I've analyzed some profiles on MR before and most of those with really pretty pictures and cost 1200 rmb are 99% SPs so it's a gamble on who your getting but for sure is not the lady on the profile picture.

Hi all, do hotels in Shanghai check IDs when guests come to visit? I'm staying at a nice 4/5 star hotel. Wondering if they will ask my female guests to provide ID. And if so, is that a problem?

[QUOTE=Optional;2884414]Hi all, do hotels in Shanghai check IDs when guests come to visit? I'm staying at a nice 4/5 star hotel. Wondering if they will ask my female guests to provide ID. And if so, is that a problem?[/QUOTE]I've never had that happen in Shanghai. In fact one time my buddy and I came back with two hotties at midnight and the elevators were not working. We hung out with our clearly paid for girls along with 5-6 hotel staff for about twenty minutes while they fixed it. No questions. No weird looks. Perfectly comfortable.

[QUOTE=ChinoMelon;2884395]The third one is genuine, they have been around for many years and you get what you choose but imo they are pricey so I've never tried them.

I'm not sure about the first and second, but I've analyzed some profiles on MR before and most of those with really pretty pictures and cost 1200 rmb are 99% SPs so it's a gamble on who your getting but for sure is not the lady on the profile picture.[/QUOTE]Dear Chino,

Thank you. Any other website you recommend?

[URL]https://shanghai.nightlife.online/[/URL] ?

Genuine?

I've noticed most of you (and most providers) have migrated over to Telegram. I have some old providers that I still communicate with via WeChat. We discuss many of the transactional details on there. Is this safe, or have you ever heard of anyone getting in trouble from govt surveillance of WeChat?

[QUOTE=Optional;2885355]I've noticed most of you (and most providers) have migrated over to Telegram. I have some old providers that I still communicate with via WeChat. We discuss many of the transactional details on there. Is this safe, or have you ever heard of anyone getting in trouble from govt surveillance of WeChat?[/QUOTE]I do nearly all my communication with MPs and WGs on Telegram these days. If I do use WeChat, I never discuss transactional details just to be on the safe side. I'll only use WeChat to check how busy an MP is or to see if a regular gal I like is working that day. You can only access Telegram in China via a vpn, plus the messages are end-to-end encrypted, so should be safe from any govt surveillance. I am also in a couple of Telegram chat groups where Chinese mongers have intel on how safe / unsafe it is to play during certain periods, info on raids, etc. So that's also useful.

In general I'm more of a MP man than P4 P. These days I also only visit naughty MPs that I have found on Telegram, as you will be guaranteed at least a topless HJ (and often more), from a decent looking provider (well at least a 6 anyway) without adding a tip or signing up for a vip card, etc. There are a couple of reports on here of mongers visiting an MP and getting trapped into paying a fortune, and leaving without getting the service they went in for. With Telegram, you avoid such experiences. It's not perfect and can be a bit of a minefield, but for mongers who live in SH, it's a must these days IMO. For visitors only here for a few days, it might be too much of a hassle to navigate. Plus all the groups and channels are all in Chinese, so be prepared to be very busy with your translation app.

For P4 P found via Telegram, I've still done very little (see my reports on here). Would be interesting to hear the experiences of other mongers that have been using Telegram for P4 P.

[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2885009][URL]https://shanghai.nightlife.online/[/URL] ?

Genuine?[/QUOTE]This one's genuine, the girls are few but speak english and have lots of good ratings. The only downside imo is their lack of diversity.

If you don't feel like risking, this could be your best bet.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2882637]Manhattan very much alive but basically 100% Viets. There was 1 older Mongol working there 2nd 1/2 last year but since moved on. Also occasionally older ugly Chinese but nothing worth a punt.

Same same Judys also basically 100% Viets. Some older Chinese there but not worth a punt. There was 1 Mongol working there regularly but covered in tatts if that's your thing. There is a sprinkling of African girls sometimes. There was 1 stunner who used to arrive very late but I could never catch her. Neither are a patch on what they were pre Covid.[/QUOTE]What's the asking rates now a days? I have been quoted 1. 5 to 2 k for ST and 3. 5 to 4 K for LT. Is it what quoted for you all punters?

[QUOTE=ChinoMelon;2885456]This one's genuine, the girls are few but speak english and have lots of good ratings. The only downside imo is their lack of diversity.

If you don't feel like risking, this could be your best bet.[/QUOTE]Thanks to various bros, had a good adventure in China. Below are my experiences.

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-shanghai/amy-02b05999-f2e2-4f6f-ac44-8dcecb0d00ca[/URL]

The one above is an agency. The girl did not match the photo but was good for a decent fuck.

This was my second best experience.

[URL]https://shanghai.nightlife.online/Girls[/URL]

Saw her right before she left for her hometown for spring festival. Natural pussy great fuck. Did her for two hours. Not disappointed. Definitely will repeat.

This was my best experience.

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-shanghai/women-of-pleasures-sha-bj-gz-sz-tj[/URL]

More pricy but the girl was completely shaved and had edible pussy which I enjoyed. Great experience.

Thanks all.

[QUOTE=BonMonger;2885737]What's the asking rates now a days? I have been quoted 1. 5 to 2 k for ST and 3. 5 to 4 K for LT. Is it what quoted for you all punters?[/QUOTE]Popped into Ms last night around 9. 30 pm just for a quick look. Fairly busy, but seats available. Around 20 or so Viets, some at tables with Chinese punters, others wandering around. Sat quietly at the bar with a beer, was the only white guy in there. Got approached by 3 or 4 hotties, each one quoting 2 k ST and 4 k LT.

Please suggest good 4 or 5 star hotels near Judy's or Manhattan, visited long back and I guess it was Shangri-La or Ritz carton near Manhattan with back door entry. Is it still there.

I am coming to Shanghai next month. Is it possible to find some sex? It could be massage with he or full servise. I stay near the Bund. Please, give me your best advice.

Thanks,

Clinte.

I arrived in Shanghai in Saturday evening and wanted to find some action. After reading the forum I decided to go to Judy's. Finding things isn't straightforward, I went to where I thought Judy's was and it wasn't there so walked heading towards M and found Judy's in the way. It was busy and had a band playing Metallica songs. I browsed and had a cigar while I observed the scene. I tagged up with a hottie from Vietnam and was quoted 2 k ST and 4 k LT. A little negotiations for 3 k LT and we headed back to my hotel. I had a good time and it was easy. I like pickup bars like this, have done this in other countries. But I am still a little shocked at the prices. But I don't know my way around and this was easy and fun so what the hell I went for it. I'm going back Friday night then leaving China.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2897700]I arrived in Shanghai in Saturday evening and wanted to find some action. After reading the forum I decided to go to Judy's. Finding things isn't straightforward, I went to where I thought Judy's was and it wasn't there so walked heading towards M and found Judy's in the way. It was busy and had a band playing Metallica songs. I browsed and had a cigar while I observed the scene. I tagged up with a hottie from Vietnam and was quoted 2 k ST and 4 k LT. A little negotiations for 3 k LT and we headed back to my hotel. I had a good time and it was easy. I like pickup bars like this, have done this in other countries. But I am still a little shocked at the prices. But I don't know my way around and this was easy and fun so what the hell I went for it. I'm going back Friday night then leaving China.[/QUOTE]So I assume Judy's and M's address has changed since pre pandemic.

Would anyone be so kind to put on here the new address please.

Thanks in Advance.

Red.

Anyone know what time Judy's closes?

I won't get in to PVG till midnight. Will I have time to poke around and get a takeout?

Thank in advance.

Red.

Hi All,

Have my first ever trip to China next week and curious about recommendations. I don't speak the language or know the culture but would love to spend time with a beautiful Asian girl. Ideally, 18-20, athletic, shaved armpits LOL for US massage scene, and open to COF or COB. What are my best, easiest and safest options? Sorry to bother but it's overwhelming compared to Europe or Latin America.

The Shanghai scene was fine before COVID, but is now sparse except for MPs with HJs. Anyone who can give me a link to a safe and reliable incall provider? I would be most grateful. P.S.: I have been on ISG for over 20 years, but had to give up my previous status due to security concerns (wife). I have used ISG in over 20 countries for happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Joet120;2905297]Hi All,

Have my first ever trip to China next week and curious about recommendations. I don't speak the language or know the culture but would love to spend time with a beautiful Asian girl. Ideally, 18-20, athletic, shaved armpits LOL for US massage scene, and open to COF or COB. What are my best, easiest and safest options? Sorry to bother but it's overwhelming compared to Europe or Latin America.[/QUOTE]I guess that your expectation is a bit unrealistic, and lamentably you give no information where you are heading to. IMHO there are no "beautiful Asian girls" who would spend some limited time with a foreigner unless you are willing to pay a WG for LT. Most young girls have a regular job and will due to family expectations be looking for a husband, they won't accompany you just because they are crazy for foreign dick. And they usually don't speak English. Your only option (other than sex-starved MILFs which you may meet if you're there on business) would be an agency who provides you with a girl who speaks English. But that won't be cheap.

Been four years since returning to SH. After 6 trips per year for over 25 years. Will be there around 20th April. All my old GF are still there, nothing changed. They do say you can negotiate anything down, as no expats so business is slow. I always took care of my friends now they take care of me! Looking forward.

But remember if you order a girl do a we chat video to make sure same girl and don't be afraid to look through door eye and if not, same girl tell her to go away you got the FLU. Don't.

Follow anyone.

[QUOTE=GermanMan;2907118]I guess that your expectation is a bit unrealistic, and lamentably you give no information where you are heading to. IMHO there are no "beautiful Asian girls" who would spend some limited time with a foreigner unless you are willing to pay a WG for LT. Most young girls have a regular job and will due to family expectations be looking for a husband, they won't accompany you just because they are crazy for foreign dick. And they usually don't speak English. Your only option (other than sex-starved MILFs which you may meet if you're there on business) would be an agency who provides you with a girl who speaks English. But that won't be cheap.[/QUOTE]Body for english with two nice girls ir tiuts for a massage withfavors. Stay safe.

I was in Judy's end of March and I was amazed how busy it was and the selection of girls were amazing. I would say there were around 50 or ladies and some real lookers too.

There were a bunch of Chinese guys however there were other races too.

Mainly Vietnamese ladies, some African and some Mongolia.

I had a crazy night in there.

I ended up with a very beautiful Mongolian who was bags of fun.

The girls will ask you for 3 k upwards however you can negotiate 2 K for a couple of hours.

I will be back in Shanghai 2nd week in May so looking forward to more fun.

Per the title, I would like recommendation on a tier 1 spa / sauna place similar to No 9 setup in Guangzhou but in Shanghai. One of those where people take their girlfriends and even family to with super comfy chair and high quality buffer. For women, they offer proper good massage. For mongers if you ordered certain package massage, a good HJ will be included.

In the last, I took normal Chinese girls I met there for a date and they all love the experience. I'll be with my sugar baby, and I want to take her there. So the HJ for me is more like prepping me for the action later when we returned to the hotel)).

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Could someone please post current and correct address of the two venues. Looking forward to my return to PVG since the pandemic put a kabash on everything. The venue's location would determine my hotel choice. I gather you can no longer walk to either from Swissotel anymore?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2916759]Could someone please post current and correct address of the two venues. Looking forward to my return to PVG since the pandemic put a kabash on everything. The venue's location would determine my hotel choice. I gather you can no longer walk to either from Swissotel anymore?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Up to date info on these and many other eats and drinks places are on ' that's shanghai' an online expat mag. Best to Google and explore it has a wealth of info.

Teltel.

Hi everyone!

I have a short layover in Shanghai next week in the middle of the day. Any recommendations on a legit and safe full service MP close to PVG before a long flight? I'm also open to getting a hotel room at the airport but the logistics seem more complicated. And you can tell me if I'm being too ambitious. Won't hurt my feelings. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2916759]Could someone please post current and correct address of the two venues. Looking forward to my return to PVG since the pandemic put a kabash on everything. The venue's location would determine my hotel choice. I gather you can no longer walk to either from Swissotel anymore?

Thanks![/QUOTE]To what I have seen the adress is: 331 Tongren Lu, by Beijing Xi Lu, 铜20161;36335;331号, 近21271;20140;35199;36335;.

This FR is going to be a long one. Read on if you have time and patience.

With a tentative plan to visit Shaghai 2 weeks back and with no info on the hotel and my itinerary, I started to gather info of places to visit.

Mate Rodneey was kind enough to reply to my DM on the current addresses of Judy's and Manhattan. Booked a hotel close to both, assuming that I will have ample time to score in any one of them. Thanks for your reply mate.

Once I landed and started with my day schedule, little did I know that work will keep me busy until late nights each day.

Nights passed with no luck to venture out.

During one of the nights while I was returning to my hotel room which had lot of left's and right turning in the walkway, I passed a room in the dimly lit hotel passage with lot of moans and slapping sounds clearly heard outside the room. I crossed the room with now my sensitive pricked ears and a semi-hardon of a voyeur and retraced my path to that room. I could hear heavy body slapping and pleasure moans emanating from within the four walls and door....and some Chinese talk.

Immediately I made up my mind, it's now or never. Went to my room. It was 12 am in the night already. Scrolled some escort pages using my VPN, and finally decided to settle down on massage republic. Found an attractive young Chinese girl profile, connected on WhatsApp and finalised the deal for 2 shots for 1200+taxi fare. She came promptly within 30 mins. Went down to get her to my room using the access card. Lo and behold! A totally different girl. Younger side of mid-age but not bad. Maybe a 6 in scorecard. But then I felt cheated. Asked her showing the pic sent in WhatsApp this is not you. She tried to convince me saying it's her only. Disappointed I gave her 100 and packed her back.

Went back to room, same process repeated, spoke to another profile, image sent for reconfirmation, this time arrived in 15 minutes, she was smart and avoided the lift, used staircase and came directly to hotel room. More shock! She was also not as per pic shared, what more she was between 4-5 score. Time was around 1 am, I was tired haggled her to send back with taxi fare. But she said try her for 2 shots for a 1000 + taxi fare. My dick took the decision instead of my brain, as she was good with her talks. We both stripped, I enquired if she does some basic massage, she answered positive. The next 10 mins was a good time, she scored well in the massage. I was almost asleep by the end of 10 minutes. So was johnny. She asked me to turn face up, saw me flaccid. She challenged me that she would get me up in less than a minute. She was right. Her mouth and fingers did magic.

Later she was on top, she rode me well. She did some dirty talk in above average English. And after a few minutes I was done. We both disengaged and went to wash, by the time I returned she was already dressing up. I asked about the 2nd round. She asked what 2nd round, you got a good long massage and a shot. That's it!

Didnt want to haggle, it was already 2 am. Gave her the money and off she went.

Went down the hotel, had a smoke. Felt half empty.

Came back quickly, searched MR website, this time for Afros. Got one profile called Mimi. She sent few pics and a video. Looked genuine. Called her to my hotel. She came in another 20 mins. Went down to bring her up in the lift. She looked the same, a true black beauty. Maybe a 7. Same deal 1200 for 2 shots.

Like typical Afro, big booty and ample tits. Thick suckable lips.

Came to room, she stripped. Wow! Amazing body. She mentioned she is coming straight from La Suite club, where lot of other nationality girls are there. She hasn't heard of Judy's or Manhattan. Strange!

Went straight away to work. Long DFK. Fingering. She kept pushing my lips on her nipples, while she was playing with her pussy labia. And soon, I found she was extremely wet. I gave her a quizzical look, she said she came. I fingered her, she said roll her her left inner labia with my finger and suck her nipples, a few minutes later she squirted.

I was amazed I asked her to do that again and let me see her squirt on my face as I brought my face very close to her pussy. Soon she squirted again, and then again. Holy crap!

She put a rubber on me and rode me like a champ on top, she must be near the plateau as she instructed me to keep sucking her nipples while she quickly put me for an anal ride. Soon she squeezed her sphincter and released more fluid on my belly. And I timed my orgasm with her tight grip. That was good! I felt good.

We both washed, chatted sometime idly. My hands roaming on her booty. Squeezing and slapping. She checked can she go now. I asked what about round 2?

She said ok let's do it quickly. Got me up with a great BBJ. This time I opted for Doggy. Slammed her for a while. Then disengaged after my back started hurting. Next missionary, for few more minutes, And I felt I won't be able to cum soon. Some more DFK, tit sucking, more bang. And then I stopped told her she can leave, as I won't cum soon.

Gave her the money, had another smoke and was ready to retire. It was 3:30 am in the morning.

Overall spend: 2500 including taxi fare for all the 3 ladies of the night.

My last visit to China was around 14 years back. Visited Tianjin and stayed in one of the globally renowned hotel. I wasa alone for 2 weeks and seriously going crazy as there was none to talk and socialize with so wanted to try foot massage to feel the human touch. Opted for room Service. A middle aged woman as assigned who was very prompt.

During the session she was smart enough to understand my pain and managed to communicate that there were girls who could provide full service.

I paid for her service and made a deal for full service. She left with a smile and new girl knocked the door after in 40 minutes. She was young, pretty and encouraging. Her politeness helped both of us to over come the language barrier. It turned into one of my memorable moments. .

I might visit China next month and wanted to know if I can repeat the cycle. I might stay in any premium hotel, is it worth trying?

Request other mongers to share if they had tried this and worked.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=RacingHorse;2918255]I might visit China next month and wanted to know if I can repeat the cycle. I might stay in any premium hotel, is it worth trying?[/QUOTE]Yes you can try. They will most certainly offer extras, but will be very, very expensive.

[QUOTE=TonyyyLee3640;2917559]Any recommendations on a legit and safe full service MP close to PVG before a long flight?[/QUOTE]What you are asking for does not exist.

It seems the massage spas are experiencing a crackdown that is expanding to more shops. Anyone on the ground hearing this from providers?

Hi all experienced Shanghai fans.

My first trip there (here?) and made some preparation in case I got some free time.

I was surprised about the damage (cost) for having ST and LT.

ST. CNY 1200 - 1500, LT. CNY 4000.

Thats close to western levels.

Has it always ben like this?

For me, who prefers LT, its nearly better to fly to Thailand if I get 3-4 nights free.

Appreciate any comments.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Loopy6;2924330]Hi all experienced Shanghai fans.

My first trip there (here?) and made some preparation in case I got some free time.

I was surprised about the damage (cost) for having ST and LT.

ST. CNY 1200 - 1500, LT. CNY 4000.

Thats close to western levels.

Has it always ben like this?

For me, who prefers LT, its nearly better to fly to Thailand if I get 3-4 nights free.

Appreciate any comments.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]In 2013 I picked up a girl from Manhattan Club who charged 1200ST and 2000LT. She was a 7 in looks but very good in bed. So yes, even 10 years ago Shanghai and Beijing was expensive.

[QUOTE=Canyon11;2917981]To what I have seen the adress is: 331 Tongren Lu, by Beijing Xi Lu, 铜20161;36335;331号, 近21271;20140;35199;36335;.[/QUOTE]Can someone please confirm the address of Judy and the new Manhattan?

(FYI none of the google searches give results that have been updated post covid and Manhattan for sure has moved to a new location).

Thanks!

Dear sr. Members,

After long covid time I got opportunities to visit China for 8-12 days I am looking this time to explore.

I am going to stay one of good hotel in pudong jinqiao. Looking good fun after my work in night time.

Please DM me its open even I am ok to connect on telegram. Your help will make my trip memorable.

I will help when anyone visit to India.

Br.

Atool.

Hello senior members,

I am looking to seeking your help on my upcoming China visit. It my luck after long 4 years I got opprutiy to visit shanghai, will going to stay in Pudong area hotel. Looking some full night fun or short time actions. Request you please guide me some place name, also any good MR profile. I am going to stay for 8-12 day. You can connet me here or DM. Even I am happy to connect on telegram. I will help you for India information anytime.

Br.

Atool.

Hi is it only down to Judy and manhattan for MP? And they only have other nationality girls? Would prefer to have Chinese girls since I am in China. Why would people go with other girls from another nationality?

I was in China a couple of times before covid and there use to be so many nice MP with mainly chinese girls. Is it all gone now?

[QUOTE=GetsZa;2928466]Hi is it only down to Judy and manhattan for MP? And they only have other nationality girls? Would prefer to have Chinese girls since I am in China. Why would people go with other girls from another nationality?

I was in China a couple of times before covid and there use to be so many nice MP with mainly chinese girls. Is it all gone now?[/QUOTE]The shops are likely updating their clients via Wechat.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2923709]It seems the massage spas are experiencing a crackdown that is expanding to more shops. Anyone on the ground hearing this from providers?[/QUOTE]A few months ago, I saw that a lot of naughty shops were getting shut down. I personally saw one shop get raided. Then starting a few weeks, suddenly many veggie shops started offering extras! They even advertised it on Dianping! Even Yili, a long standing high end veggie MP and tea house is now offering naughty services (to me, this was the real shock). I wonder what caused the change.

I came back to Shanghai after over four years missing. Been to Manh. and have to say did not have a good experience. May be it was the wrong day and wrong time. Girls were not at al as beautiful as I remember, mostly overweight and aged compare to before. I counted two or three beautiful ones but they were already busy with customers (or friends?) I want to check in other days/hours to see if it improves. Another day went to Judy's but was too early.
I tried a yu MP (the old spring brand) and had a great massage with a "basic" relieve but they asked a huge amount compared to before 890 Y! Plus I tip the girl. I have to say the massage was great! At least that! By the way, I am sure the right girls and services are there. Just have to find them. Will keep looking.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2888506]Thanks to various bros, had a good adventure in China. Below are my experiences.

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-shanghai/amy-02b05999-f2e2-4f6f-ac44-8dcecb0d00ca[/URL]

The one above is an agency. The girl did not match the photo but was good for a decent fuck.

This was my second best experience.

[URL]https://shanghai.nightlife.online/Girls[/URL]

Saw her right before she left for her hometown for spring festival. Natural pussy great fuck. Did her for two hours. Not disappointed. Definitely will repeat..[/QUOTE]Great fuck.

[URL]https://shanghai.nightlife.online/girls/Milena[/URL]

Amazing fuck.

[URL]http://womenofpleasures.com/rainbow/[/URL]

Likes to suck balls like nobodies business.

[URL]http://womenofpleasures.com/joyce/[/URL]

I love China.

Any suggestions for a happy ending massage for under 400 rmb, before tip & what level of tip would be acceptable with getting a sour look from the provider of the tug?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2923709]It seems the massage spas are experiencing a crackdown that is expanding to more shops. Anyone on the ground hearing this from providers?[/QUOTE]My Shanghai girlfriend says there are plainclothes police arresting girls who go with Chinese clients to hotel rooms. They get 3-4 days in custody with no phone. But for some reason they don't bother foreigners.

5 Aces. Check your PM.

BJ.

I have been in Shanghai 6 times so far in 2024 with length of stay 4 to 7 days. I have stayed at Jing'An Shangri-La which is 300-400 mtrs down Tongren Lu from Judys which is absolutely Monger HQ nowadays. Typically a fair contingent of Viets who can range from stunning to pretty average although the line up definitely lacks the quality that was available pre Covid.

The Viet girls are all DESPERATE to sit and drink with the Chinese dudes who sit in groups and invariably get drunk and annoying. But the girls get CNY800 or so just to drink with them and CNY2,000 if they do take them out for their 3 minute 3 stroke short time phuck so you can understand why majority they tend to prefer Chinese over whiteys.

But some of the top tier experienced Viets will not go with Chinese unless desperate but they still all want CNY2,000ST. That is standard rate across the board. It is still possible to get the new younger Viets at 2 K for ST if they are not welded onto a table of Chinese.

Still the one sole Mongolian girl there every night and occasionally another older Mongolian also.

A fair smattering of Africans and there is 1 young absolute STAR their whom I take almost every day (afternoon / early evening / night) because she is just so young, beautiful, great body and great performer. You will usually find 5 to 6 to 8 other Africans therew also ranging from doable to ah no thanks and ALL will ask 2 K ST.

Manhattan these days a bit out of the way and purely Viets chasing Chinese. It's not as easy to prise them out of Manhattan if you are Caucasian but still achievable. Just watch out for Ladyboys in both Judys and Manhattan. They will not tell you and you sure as hell cannot always pick them but if you know any of the girls in either bar they will tell you.

Other locations worth a look are definitely Bar Kev which is where Bar Rouge was and also try The Nest which both will have girls sitting in pairs around the bar or alone but if they are at the bar you can pretty well bet a chat buy them a drink and you should be able to negotiate a deal but nothing in your face like Judys or Manhattan.

Found 158 has a few bars in it and allegedly plenty working girls there if you seek them out. I have just never had any luck here as it tends to start a little later or different bars are better different night. But I just usually go to Judys as I am time poor.

LA Suite after 1 or 2 am is where the girls who haven't picked up tend to head till they need sleep so if your are happy to wait till 2 or 3 or 4 to secure 1 or you need seconds then head there. They will come from all over so a good variety depending on night. Later in week is always better.

Good luck dudes and happy punting.

Hello everybody, I booked last time a girl by a WhatsApp agent (kind. Nice. Safe. Outcall), and the service was terrible. The girl was obviously totally different from the photo, although still pretty, with a smaller body and less pronounced breasts. In any case, I accepted the service which, in my opinion, was very approximate (previously I had established with the agent the requests under a fee decided together, about 1600 + taxi fee for 90 minutes including rimming, body to body massage, BBBJ under shower): after taking off her clothes, she showered together and refused BBBJ, telling me that she preferred to go to bed. In bed, he made me lie down and started a CBJ for a few minutes, nothing special, and then immediately wanted to get to the point and get on me. After a change of a couple of positions, and after I CUH, she cleaned herself and as she was about to get dressed I reminded her that we still had time, so reluctantly she agreed to do a simple massage. Received the massage in a very approximate way, always in advance of the time agreed with the agent, she left. I contacted the agent via WhatsApp to point out that the agreements had not been respected, but I never received a reply again from him.

I would like use the service from a more reliable website and indipendent or agent now, I will be in SH next weekend and I currently found those service:

[URL]http://www.shanghaioutcall.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://womenofpleasures.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.escortforshanghai.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.lilishanghaiescort.com/[/URL]

Does anyone already use them service? Does anyone has a reliable contact for a incall / outcall massage / escort service?

Thanks to everybody!

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I came up with this:

99 Xi Kang Lu, Jing An Qu, Shang Hai Shi, China, 200041. Girls: _ Prices: 200-400--RMB. Hours: 9:30 to _.

[QUOTE=Canyon11;2917981]To what I have seen the adress is: 331 Tongren Lu, by Beijing Xi Lu.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2959577]
99 Xi Kang Lu, Jing An Qu, Shang Hai Shi, China, 200041. Girls: _ Prices: 200-400--RMB. Hours: 9:30 to _.[/QUOTE]Did you find this in a guidebook from 2002? First, the address is incorrect. The proper address for Judy's Spot is No. 329 Tongren Road. Second, try multiplying those prices by 10 to get current girls pricing.

A lot has changed since I made up my List in 2019.

[QUOTE=GaoXing;2960646]Did you find this in a guidebook from 2002? First, the address is incorrect.
The proper address for Judy's Spot is No. 329 Tongren Road.
Second, try multiplying those prices by 10 to get current girls pricing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2941613]Great fuck.

[URL]https://shanghai.nightlife.online/girls/Milena[/URL]

Amazing fuck.

[URL]http://womenofpleasures.com/rainbow/[/URL]

Likes to suck balls like nobodies business.

[URL]http://womenofpleasures.com/joyce/[/URL]

I love China.[/QUOTE]Hello sir,

Please clear your inbox so that we can exchange things.

Hello Fellow experts from Shanghai.

I am curious to know if it's common in China to have a threesome (MFF) or is it like a taboo?

Me & my Chinese GF would like to have a threesome & looking for a 3rd female partner (no escorts or paid stuff).

Please help us out here on how to do it.

Thanks!!

[QUOTE=Paana;2974025]Hello Fellow experts from Shanghai.

I am curious to know if it's common in China to have a threesome (MFF) or is it like a taboo?

Me & my Chinese GF would like to have a threesome & looking for a 3rd female partner (no escorts or paid stuff).

Please help us out here on how to do it.

Thanks!![/QUOTE]So you are seeking AFFers to supply you contacts of a freebie. Seriously? If you have a Chinese GF go hit some civilian bars and cut one from the herd there - don't expect to be spoon fed.

Anyways back to business. I was in SH Nov and Dec and will be back in SH again Sunday nt Jan 12 to Sat Jan 18 - Judys is still the only sure bet in town.

More and more Africans now working Judys with a couple stunning young slims ones to boot. But at CNY2 K ST they arer4 n't cheap. Standard rate with the Viets also and in Dec quality of Viets was off a bit. The Viets are still predominately chasing Chinese guys especially Fri and Sat nts when the place is so full. Other nts the Viets are more inclined to accommodate Westerners.

I did not visit Manhattan in Dec but will drop in next week ands report be ack. I think Vue bar is also open again at Hyatt on the Bund so will visit there. I will also check out Kev Bar (old Bar Rouge) which also I did not visit in Dec because of the wet weather. I will drop a report back in after the 20th.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2974132]So you are seeking AFFers to supply you contacts of a freebie. Seriously? If you have a Chinese GF go hit some civilian bars and cut one from the herd there - don't expect to be spoon fed.

Anyways back to business. I was in SH Nov and Dec and will be back in SH again Sunday nt Jan 12 to Sat Jan 18 - Judys is still the only sure bet in town.

More and more Africans now working Judys with a couple stunning young slims ones to boot. But at CNY2 K ST they arer4 n't cheap. Standard rate with the Viets also and in Dec quality of Viets was off a bit. The Viets are still predominately chasing Chinese guys especially Fri and Sat nts when the place is so full. Other nts the Viets are more inclined to accommodate Westerners.

I did not visit Manhattan in Dec but will drop in next week ands report be ack. I think Vue bar is also open again at Hyatt on the Bund so will visit there. I will also check out Kev Bar (old Bar Rouge) which also I did not visit in Dec because of the wet weather. I will drop a report back in after the 20th.[/QUOTE]Thank you for replying but please my message carefully, I do not need the contacts of the hookers rather I want to know if there is a way of getting it via genuine ways.

Returning to SH after a long absence (5 years) and wondering what happened with all the bars that used to be on Huashan Lu. New York New York, Shanghai Nights, Route 66 etc etc. I used to enjoy a few late nights in those bars playing pool and chatting with the girls. I usually have customers with me who are not interested in P4 P, just want to chat with a pretty girl and have a few drinks. Any info would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=ChuckleOne;2976934]Returning to SH after a long absence (5 years) and wondering what happened with all the bars that used to be on Huashan Lu. New York New York, Shanghai Nights, Route 66 etc etc. I used to enjoy a few late nights in those bars playing pool and chatting with the girls. I usually have customers with me who are not interested in P4 P, just want to chat with a pretty girl and have a few drinks. Any info would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Those places are long gone. Several other girl bars have popped up around town. There are two around the corner from the Shed. Don't bring a credit card and only spend the cash you have.

[QUOTE=GaoXing;2978501]Don't bring a credit card and only spend the cash you have.[/QUOTE]LOL thank you. Very familiar with that scenario. Much appreciated.

Hi Shanghai experts!

I will arrive in Shanghai as part of a long flight connection and I will have 14 hours to kill from 11 am To 2 am And no hotel room. I would appreciate some advice about how to find a girl for an incall.

According to WSG, there are 7 red light districts in Shanghai, and they recommended a brothel called Lily's - [URL]http://www.lilishanghaiescort.com/.[/URL] Is it any good?

Are there any good advertising websites, agency links, or any other useful information to find someone quickly?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Estoni;2981668]Hi Shanghai experts!

I will arrive in Shanghai as part of a long flight connection and I will have 14 hours to kill from 11 am To 2 am And no hotel room. I would appreciate some advice about how to find a girl for an incall..[/QUOTE]A tight timeline. Try NLO [URL]https://nightlife.online/[/URL].

Pricey (though Shanghai itself is too pricey by now) but reliable. Most of the girls offer incall. Have tried most of the ones listed and wasn't disappointed.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=GaoXing;2978501]Those places are long gone. Several other girl bars have popped up around town. There are two around the corner from the Shed. Don't bring a credit card and only spend the cash you have.[/QUOTE]Looks like many people are gatekeeping their contacts. I understand why people are reluctant from sharing their contacts, but I'm not sure why they would be on this site mentioning the same contacts. Anyway, I made friends with some locals and found a very good contact. This contact is by far the best I've used. I've tried a few of the classified ads and other agents, but they all do the bait and switch. They would provide a highly edited picture or a completely fake one and then send you a grandma with a lot of makeup as if you wouldn't notice or something. It makes no sense to me why they do that. From a business perspective, I'd assume these companies want to satisfy their clients in order to build a longterm relationship with them. Instead, I've mostly experienced agents pulling a bait and switch on the first disappointing experience with them.

Anyway, my new contact has absolutely raised the bar. Not only are the girls identical to the unedited pictures, but these girls are actually young and not grandma's trying to disguise themselves as young adults. So far I've tried 2 different girls and they were both of model material. The rates are a little more expensive than I'm used to in Beijing, but if you can afford it like me, it's worth it. DM me if interested.

Been lurking on this forum for 10+ years, decided to post because there's not much info these days on Shanghai aside from Judy's / Manhattan. I've been in Shanghai since the end of the CNY holiday, so I'll share my experience thus far.

I'm Chinese and speak fluent Mandarin, but even for me I've found the safest and most reliable incall option is Nightlife Online (just Google for the site link, it's the first result that comes up). It's not cheap (FS is approx. 1500-1800/ hour) but what you see is basically what you get. Since the CNY holiday, I've booked 4 different girls from the site and chatted with each of them at length. Here are some things I've found:

- The pictures are real. However, by the girls' own admission, their listed ages are lowball figures. I get the feeling that the girls' ages were probably accurate when they first got listed on the site, but then it never gets updated. Same with their weight. (So check how long a girl has been listed on the site. One way is to find the oldest review of the girl.).

- If you prefer slender / fit girls, then just to be safe, mentally tack on roughly 4-5 kg to the girl's listed weight and estimate if that's still acceptable for you. This is especially true at this time of the year. Every single girl told me they gained more than a few pounds over the CNY holiday.

- It's not express food delivery, so don't expect to be able to add a girl's WeChat and get the green light to head over right away. Be proactive with proposing a date and time in your very first message with them, as this is much more likely to elicit a prompt response and a confirmed meetup within just 2-3 messages.

- Every girl I met said they have a full time job, and do this part-time for extra cash. They all have a secondary phone that they use for this part-time gig, and they check it far less often than their main phone. Plan accordingly. To give you an idea, one girl I met said she works 7 days a week at a nails / makeup salon, she's often too busy to check her phone more than a few times a day when at work, and she usually has to take time off when she needs to meet with a customer.

- Some girls have their incall at a newer modern apartment while others live in far older accommodations, though every place I've been to was clean. If you want to avoid older / sketchier apartments, ask the girl for their location first and then check Baidu street view to get an idea before you commit to booking.

Experience / service-wise, the girls all met my expectations though I definitely clicked with some more than others. YMMV as always.

Business took me back through Shanghai, where I revisited a recurring dream of time with Baby, last dreamed about pre-Covid Area.

For those that don't know, Baby is slim, very petite Asian, now a MILF, who has been on the Shanghai Scene since the mid 2010's. Going back to the Shanghai Nightlife days, then on the Shanghai NLO. (where she is no longer profiled.)

She does provide incall at her apartment, and now has relocated back to Minhang, after several years being based in Pudong, making seeing her a bit more convenient for those in Central Shanghai. No longer aligned with Shanghai NLO, she can be contacted on Wechat and she gave me the ok to share where she can provide photos and session options. Feel free to PM.

In my dream of meeting her again, she greeted me at her door in a school girl midriff (bra-less), short plaid skirt, and knee high stockings. A fun filled hour ensued, with all services dreamed of receiving from a full service provider. Photos of Baby in her School Girl CosPlay and photo from her WeChat Moments.

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[QUOTE=Kylian;2985666]Been lurking on this forum for 10+ years, decided to post because there's not much info these days on Shanghai aside from Judy's / Manhattan. I've been in Shanghai since the end of the CNY holiday, so I'll share my experience thus far.

I'm Chinese and speak fluent Mandarin, but even for me I've found the safest and most reliable incall option is Nightlife Online (just Google for the site link, it's the first result that comes up). It's not cheap (FS is approx. 1500-1800/ hour) but what you see is basically what you get. Since the CNY holiday, I've booked 4 different girls from the site and chatted with each of them at length. Here are some things I've found:

- The pictures are real. However, by the girls' own admission, their listed ages are lowball figures. I get the feeling that the girls' ages were probably accurate when they first got listed on the site, but then it never gets updated. Same with their weight. (So check how long a girl has been listed on the site. One way is to find the oldest review of the girl.)..[/QUOTE]So I used Nightlife Online to arrange a booking with a Felicity for the following evening. When she arrives I learnt that she does not kiss, not even closed mouth, which is different to her no profile, which explicitly states that she Kisses, "French Kissing. Yes" , "No restrictions" - As a GFE experience, kissing is rather integral I think. I showed her the profile on NO and the references to kissing, but she said it was "Not true". Otherwise, she's rather nice. Wish I could tell you more, but as I found this rather misleading and it made me wonder what other things have been mis-represented. I didn't want to find out half way through the service that there were other boundaries to my GFE experience, so I gave her some taxi money and sent her home.

I didn't realize that when they describe it as a GFE experience that hey mean this literally- Man that's why I monger, to get away from the Dramas of having a GFE!

I arrived in Shanghai today and thought I would go by Judy's. I walked over to judy's and there were police cars outside and something going on, so I kept walking. A girl pulled up next to me on a scooter and said there was another bar down the street, so I walked down there. It was a small bar with three or four girls in it. It's on Xikang Road. Not far from Judy's, I asked the name and I think it was Jimi's. They offered for me to go in the back room and I went to the back room with three girls. They promised bbj, kiss, DATY but no FS which actually sounded fun with three girls. But they kept asking for drinks, tips, etc after I had paid for the room, it was obnoxious. I did get BBBJCIM but the constant asking for more ruined the fun for me, would not repeat. And of course they way overcharge for drinks.

When I passed back by Judy's the police were gone and things looked normal. Moral of the story is just go to Judy's or use NLO.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2991871]I arrived in Shanghai today and thought I would go by Judy's. I walked over to judy's and there were police cars outside and something going on, so I kept walking. A girl pulled up next to me on a scooter and said there was another bar down the street, so I walked down there. It was a small bar with three or four girls in it. It's on Xikang Road. Not far from Judy's, I asked the name and I think it was Jimi's. They offered for me to go in the back room and I went to the back room with three girls. They promised bbj, kiss, DATY but no FS which actually sounded fun with three girls. But they kept asking for drinks, tips, etc after I had paid for the room, it was obnoxious. I did get BBBJCIM but the constant asking for more ruined the fun for me, would not repeat. And of course they way overcharge for drinks.

When I passed back by Judy's the police were gone and things looked normal. Moral of the story is just go to Judy's or use NLO.[/QUOTE]Are there any FS saunas in Shanghai?

[QUOTE=EnterTheV;2991971]Are there any FS saunas in Shanghai?[/QUOTE]This is only my second trip ever to Shanghai. If there are more options here I would love to know. Plus I end up in Jiangyin and don't think there's anything up here.

Any good trust worthy sites for a nuru massage in Shanghai? Thank you!

[QUOTE=Kylian;2985666]Been lurking on this forum for 10+ years, decided to post because there's not much info these days on Shanghai aside from Judy's / Manhattan. I've been in Shanghai since the end of the CNY holiday, so I'll share my experience thus far.

Experience / service-wise, the girls all met my expectations though I definitely clicked with some more than others. YMMV as always.[/QUOTE]Thank you for insightful report sir! Would you mind to share names of girls that you truly recommend to try? Thank you in advance!

Do these girls get regular health checks like other escort companies? Thanks for any info.

Has anyone used massage republic site for outcalls?

[QUOTE=Skyline25;2994118]Has anyone used massage republic site for outcalls?[/QUOTE]Yes! Bait and Switch is the name of the game. Don't trust them!

[QUOTE=RedRider;2994224]Yes! Bait and Switch is the name of the game. Don't trust them![/QUOTE]Got it. Thanks for the heads up!

[QUOTE=Skyline25;2994261]Got it. Thanks for the heads up![/QUOTE]The listings in Massage Republic are to be independents. That isn't to say there are agents that list a variety of girls, and send out whoever is available, or list just one ad, and send out anyone from that listing. But there are legitimate girls on MR. Those with reviews are generally safe, many can be cross referenced on other sites such as ***, and you might be safer with listing that does both incall and outcall. Also, choose providers that have wechat and use wechat to contact them. You can post any phone number into wechat search, and see if there is a contact and profile. If contact is by just phone or WhatsApp or telegram, more likely will lead to a bait and switch experience.

[QUOTE=OldAussieGuy;2994325]The listings in Massage Republic are to be independents. That isn't to say there are agents that list a variety of girls, and send out whoever is available, or list just one ad, and send out anyone from that listing. But there are legitimate girls on MR. Those with reviews are generally safe, many can be cross referenced on other sites such as ***, and you might be safer with listing that does both incall and outcall. Also, choose providers that have wechat and use wechat to contact them. You can post any phone number into wechat search, and see if there is a contact and profile. If contact is by just phone or WhatsApp or telegram, more likely will lead to a bait and switch experience.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the indepth info. I will use this information to decide. Thank you!

[QUOTE=Fbi5555;2993000]Thank you for insightful report sir! Would you mind to share names of girls that you truly recommend to try? Thank you in advance![/QUOTE]Depending on your preferences on looks, Rosalie and Cassie probably won't disappoint. Their incalls are in a newer apartment (they're in the same apartment complex, actually) and their service is great. Rosalie is older (mid-30's) but I'd say she's more "professional" than Cassie so you're less likely to have a bad experience.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2994224]Yes! Bait and Switch is the name of the game. Don't trust them![/QUOTE]A tip I like to share; most agents are operating in multiple cities in China.

If you add one of those girls from MR (or any other website) and one of the first questions they ask is "Where are you?" . It's almost certain you're talking to an agent; because no matter if you answer "Shanghai" or "Shenzhen" or "Beijing", they are available in that city! You can try it out; add a girl you found in Shanghai and if they ask you "Where are you?" Answer a different big city, and they are able to meet you, right there in that city!

It's magic!

I. E. Avoid 'girls' who ask you where you are.

So true!

The girl that shows up may or may not be the one you think is coming. She may have no idea what the listing says she will do for you. And may refuse you even though it is listed.

I had one who told me that the time started from when she stepped out of the taxi!

I have been back to Shanghai in December 2024, Janyary 2025 and 2 times March 2025 and still not much more to report about Shanghai other than Judys and Manhattan are still the #1 pickup bars.

Some absolutely stunning young Viet girls in both places but come armed with CNY2 K to both places if you want take-out.

Firstly you need to battle the nightly problem of the girls just wanting to sit at tables and drink with the Chinese dudes where they can easily get 800 to 2 K. Whatever the Chinese dudes want to pay them.

However there is a certain percentage who prefer white guys too but these are not always the stunners.

There is a sprinkling of Africans - 2 stunners in particular in Judys. Africans in Manhattan wre very ho hum.

When leaving Judys the girls now ask you walk 50 mtrs away from entrance so you are not 'sighted' as leaving Judys with a girl. Kinda weird but it is what it is.

There is still a dude sitting on Nanyang Lu every night directly opposite where old Manhattan was who will hand you a card so you can take taxi / DiDi to new Manhattan which has now been moved for 5 years. Go Figure.

I am back again May 4 to 9 and will update if I get any new intel.

During a recent multi-country trip, I had the opportunity to spend a few nights at the start of the trip in Shanghai. I met up with Kim, and she set the tone for the remainder of the trip. It was a hard performance to match! I booked two hours outcall to my hotel. Everything was easy through WeChat. She responds promptly and arrived on time dressed as requested. She is absolutely amazing. Fit, petite, and there to please you. She is genuine and fun. I will definitely repeat.

[URL]https://nightlife.online/Girls/Kim[/URL]

Just spent another 8 nts in Shanghai and nothing has changed. Judys and Manhattan still same same. Extremely loud music with annoying flashing disco lighting and full of Viets desperate to get to spend time sitting at a table playing titty grab with Chinese guys for minimum tip CNY800 and up.

Some seriously beautiful young girls who will not give 'round eyes' a look until they get their tips and then start to look at non-Chinese but mostly that can be too late.

Buty there are a limited number of Viets who prefer whit guys and they will stand up front at bar. Limited African girls there as most have been rounded up and deported if papers were not in order.

There is one stunningly beautiful Kenyan girl in Judys who has just the perfect body. I have had her a couple times and her performance is acceptable but not stunning. Couple of the better Viets around bar offer exceptional service but be quick as 1 or 2 of them are heading to Singapore shortly.

Manhattan is really hard. Probable overall younger and more beautiful young viets here but no interest in whiteys. There is 1 tall gorgeous stunner there I have had twice but she now has the shits with me and deleted my WeChat. But I will get her back next visit as they just love money. There is 1 or 2 girls up around bar who are looking for white guys but you wouldn't want them.

Both places price is minimum CNY2,000ST so it's not cheap. Have fun guys.

What is the address for Judy's?

I went to Manhattan at my last visit. If you just have some patience you can grab a really nice girl. I think many of the Chinese guys brought their girl home.

Judy's Lounge (05-12-2025).

331 Tongren Rd or 99 Xikang Rd, Jingan Qu. Prices: CNY2,000ST, 200-400 RMB.

Hours: Friday 11:00 am to Late, Saturday 07:00 PM to Late. Tel: (86 21) 6289 3715.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Judys/170259763042985[/URL]

[QUOTE=TuffeUffe69;3006801]What is the address for Judy's?

I went to Manhattan at my last visit. If you just have some patience you can grab a really nice girl. I think many of the Chinese guys brought their girl home.[/QUOTE]

Guys, hope you all are doing well!

I am travelling to SH shortly. Could someone share some reliable contacts that I can bank on.

I would prefer an incall but ok with an outcall in the hotel also if that's the only option left.

Can you please share share some contacts? Would be great help.

Somehow its too much effort to go to J and M, hunt for the right ones, wait for the viets to come with you over the CN guys etc! Its annoying especially when you have abundantly experienced the FKKs in Europe.

Looking forward!! In the meantime, stay safe!!

Best,

Contigo!

Hi guys, I am considering travelling to Shanghai soon, and I wonder if anyone has tried Seeking there?

If you look at the Seeking profiles, the amount of stunning girls in Shanghai is by far the highest I've ever seen in any other city in Asia or otherwise.

I am talking a large number of model quality stunning young girls. No other city even comes close (maybe Beijing).

However seeing how terrible mongering scene in Shanghai is in general, I wonder if these are fake profiles?

Has anyone tried Seeking in Shanghai? And what was your experience?

Beijing's Seeking also has quite a few stunners, but not as many as Shanghai. Maybe someone tried Seeking in Beijing as well?

Would love to hear your Seeking experiences.

[QUOTE=Astral100;3008691]Hi guys, I am considering travelling to Shanghai soon, and I wonder if anyone has tried Seeking there?

If you look at the Seeking profiles, the amount of stunning girls in Shanghai is by far the highest I've ever seen in any other city in Asia or otherwise.

I am talking a large number of model quality stunning young girls. No other city even comes close (maybe Beijing).

However seeing how terrible mongering scene in Shanghai is in general, I wonder if these are fake profiles?

Has anyone tried Seeking in Shanghai? And what was your experience?

Beijing's Seeking also has quite a few stunners, but not as many as Shanghai. Maybe someone tried Seeking in Beijing as well?.[/QUOTE]Since you mentioned you were planning on traveling to Shanghai, please share your experience if you do use seeking. I'm wondering the exact same thing.

[QUOTE=Astral100;3008691]Hi guys, I am considering travelling to Shanghai soon, and I wonder if anyone has tried Seeking there?

If you look at the Seeking profiles, the amount of stunning girls in Shanghai is by far the highest I've ever seen in any other city in Asia or otherwise.

I am talking a large number of model quality stunning young girls. No other city even comes close (maybe Beijing).

However seeing how terrible mongering scene in Shanghai is in general, I wonder if these are fake profiles?

Has anyone tried Seeking in Shanghai? And what was your experience?

Beijing's Seeking also has quite a few stunners, but not as many as Shanghai. Maybe someone tried Seeking in Beijing as well?

Would love to hear your Seeking experiences.[/QUOTE]Care to provide your TR as I will be spending two nights in shanghai before heading to yangon (myanmar).

I am sure I will get better bang for the buck over there but curious to try one in shanghai if its worth it or not.

Will attempt tinder as to see if anything works out otherwise will hit some massage parlours and work the way out.

Any recommended massage places in near SHA airport with happy ending?

Visiting Shanghai in Pudong. Walked past a spa / massage place last night that seemed to have a steady stream of business. Also a number of attractive women leaving, presumably after a shift. So I went in to ask about pricing. I was told either foot massage (hour) or oil massage (30 minutes). The pricing was pretty good at 2 XX for the foot massage and 3 XX for the oil.

Is that supposed to include HJ? Is there typically a BJ or more option possible?

Also would this be a better bet than a hair salon, which I've read has similar options. I did book someone from massage republic but it was a bait and switch scam. I suspect almost everything on there is a scam.

TIA for any comments.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;3003314]Just spent another 8 nts in Shanghai and nothing has changed. Judys and Manhattan still same same. Extremely loud music with annoying flashing disco lighting and full of Viets desperate to get to spend time sitting at a table playing titty grab with Chinese guys for minimum tip CNY800 and up.

Some seriously beautiful young girls who will not give 'round eyes' a look until they get their tips and then start to look at non-Chinese but mostly that can be too late.

Buty there are a limited number of Viets who prefer whit guys and they will stand up front at bar. Limited African girls there as most have been rounded up and deported if papers were not in order.

There is one stunningly beautiful Kenyan girl in Judys who has just the perfect body. I have had her a couple times and her performance is acceptable but not stunning. Couple of the better Viets around bar offer exceptional service but be quick as 1 or 2 of them are heading to Singapore shortly.

Manhattan is really hard. Probable overall younger and more beautiful young viets here but no interest in whiteys. There is 1 tall gorgeous stunner there I have had twice but she now has the shits with me and deleted my WeChat. But I will get her back next visit as they just love money. There is 1 or 2 girls up around bar who are looking for white guys but you wouldn't want them.

Both places price is minimum CNY2,000ST so it's not cheap. Have fun guys.[/QUOTE]I went to the two bars every time I visited Shanghai, but felt disappointed and left shortly most time. For the prices you mentioned, I strongly recommend to go to Macau if you want to have a memorable experience.

This is my first time in Shanghai. I have read all of the Reports of Distinction and most of the posts in the group for the past two years. There isn't a lot of information. Can anyone give me advice? Thanks.

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;3037995]This is my first time in Shanghai. I have read all of the Reports of Distinction and most of the posts in the group for the past two years. There isn't a lot of information. Can anyone give me advice? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Try nightlife online, they are pretty reliable.

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[QUOTE=Encule;3042652]If you're looking for more options and noticeably lower prices than most agencies, I'd definitely recommend [URL]https://shanghaisexguide.com/independents[/URL]

It's got a large selection of independent girls with tons of variety to choose from. You browse the listings on the site, pick the one you like, click the button, and it takes you to their Telegram bot where you can purchase her Telegram ID. From there, you message the girl directly to chat about availability, services, and arrange a meet-up. Great way to access a lot more choices directly.[/QUOTE]What an amusing novelty to buy contact numbers. Should be a good candidate in 2025 category of how to dupe mongers of their hard saved shekels.