Jakarta

Anyone know if illegal still in business?

They had the gym room I always wanted to try.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2299742]Anyone know if illegal still in business?

They had the gym room I always wanted to try.[/QUOTE]It is, but has been renamed "108 The new atmosphere".

Visited Hotel Travel last night and noticed they increased the price to 390 k, was told this was since January.

Had the absolute worst experience ever in all of my visits to travel and classic as well, hope that isn't a permanent thing.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2298260]A very interesting report Hihi Ster. I, being a solo customer, just took my girl(s) to a private room, no pool action. The price for that was 1400 rp plus the 200 rp drink minimum. Indonesian girl quality at 1001 is very good and plentiful. (I found their imports to be overpriced and unattractive however.) But sadly, my stats at 1001 were only 50:50 e.g. 2 of my 4 girls refused to give a BBBJ and management refused my request for a substitute on the 2nd CBJ girl telling me CBJ's were a mandatory rule of the house. The dumb bastard manager even wanted to know the names of my "good" girls, the ones that gave me BBBJ's. So, although I am less than thrilled with the service I recieved, I have not yet written 1001 off completely. My 2 negative experiences might have been due to plain old bad luck. I am still in touch with my 2 "good" 1001 girls and plan to see them on the side. I also plan to give the joint itself another try next trip because they do have a most delectable assortment of young Indo girls. Ha Ha.

By comparison, I always received everything I wanted and sometimes a lot more at 1001's sister shop, the Emporium and of course over at the competition, Malio & Malioboro. But I am glad you and your friends had a great time at 1001. I hope my 50:50 experience was an anomaly.

Rock on![/QUOTE]From what I saw nobody was using condoms for the BJ's, but this is my first experience with the spa at 1001. Have had various karaoke girls which was all BBBJ and some BBFS as well. Guess it depends on your luck and the girl.

In saying that I do agree with your assessment of Emporivm, the girls are exceptionally well trained and service oriented. I have yet to encounter a bad experience there (knock on wood), and all girls there so far jumped right on, with the condom laying all prepared next to us..

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2299782]It is, but has been renamed "108 The new atmosphere".[/QUOTE]Great, any word on prices or the current talent?

Worth visiting these days?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2294259]I will say that the one place in kota indah that does have nice rooms is New Sari Ayu. Still not as nice or big as Hotel Classic, but better than the other places in KI.[/QUOTE]Sari ayu and some of the rooms in Royal are the best KI rooms. A couple of the rooms in LA on the top floor I think are OK but very hot. Starmoon rooms small. MTR is a closet.

For Classic get mamasan to put you in a VIP room as part of the agreement to go to a room. I've posted photos of the VIP rooms before. Very large. Very nice.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2300502]For Classic get mamasan to put you in a VIP room as part of the agreement to go to a room. I've posted photos of the VIP rooms before. Very large. Very nice.[/QUOTE]Even the normal rooms at Hotel Classic are quite nice. The VIP rooms are excellent.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2300627]Even the normal rooms at Hotel Classic are quite nice. The VIP rooms are excellent.[/QUOTE]How much is the VIP rooms at Classic?

And is it for the classic place on second floor or the top floor?

I found they both had same type rooms.

Does anyone know if any of the Classic type places let you book to take a girl out to your hotel and how much it be?

I rather take girl couple hours my hotel than use their rooms, more comfortable as I stay in nice hotels and a waste not having a girl to take their.

I had been to Classics once several years ago but mainly to accompany someone there. I visited Classics again last Thursday with a friend after our visit both to CJ and BATS that same night. He had read about both CJ and BATS and wanted to check out the ladies there. He found most of them too mature for his taste, and there we were ending up in Classics on the fifth floor.

There was a minimal cover charge to enter, and upon entering, there were like five girls in see through lingerie dancing lamely on stage. The place was not crowded and we picked a spot to sit. The mamasan would soon trot along her girls and made them sit next to us. We always like to observe first from a distance and do not like this kind of pressure tactic. Anyway, the mommy assured us there is no obligation, and we can turn down the girls if we don't feel right with them. My friend was not interested in the girl assigned to him at first and was asking if there were other girls. Another girl was brought to him while the first one continued to thrust herself onto him. Anyway, an offer was made from the Mamasan for these two girls for 500 K and he took it.

In the meantime, the girl assigned to me sat at an arms lenght next to me and was very shy. We chatted briefly and I asked her where she is from (Palembang) and how long has she had worked at Classics (two weeks). I had no intention of sessioning with any girls there, but I liked that girl and off we go. Even though she is quiet and reserved, but once in the room (which was surprisingly nice) , she was very GFE, responding and enjoying every bit of our physical encounter. We exchanged our WhatsApp after that, tipped her and she wanted me to come see her again soon.

Two days passed and I received WA messages from her asking if I would like to see her again. I later learned that she had been out sick for the last two days after she saw me. She was hoping that she can make up for the lost two days.

As promised, I visited her that night. I needed that release since I was still trying to get rid of the hangover from all the heavy drinking and partying at Coloseum the previous night with a group of friends. (By the way, I learned that you can have the security act as your pimp with the right tip. My local friend gave him 100 k to help us find a FL from the dance floor for my friend who came along to the party without an escort while I had two, a sister pair, already lined up for me.) Anyway, that was for another part of the report.

After my session with the Classic girl, it is what came next or more on what I learned that really disturbed me. She was tricked into working at Classic by her friend who advertised the work as Lady Companion for KTV. When coming here then she learned otherwise. By then, it is too late and she is already in debt. This mafia gang has a system that makes them go continously into debt and is forced to stay confined in their residence hall pretty much like prisoners. Essentially they are sex slaves. She can't leave and she is forced to continue working until all her debts are paid off.

After hearing all these, I kind of estimate how much she owed and towards the end, gave her that amount plus a bit more. I told her that hopefully it can give her a headstart and helped her out of this spiraling debt. I told her that should she continues this line of work, it is because she wants to and not because she is forced into it. She was so surprised that I did that and even second guessed my intention and asked if I am serious even after I had handed her the cash. I assured her there is no strings attached.

It did not make me feel good one way or another and I am pretty much done with Classics or any other places like these in the future.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301655]He had read about both CJ and BATS and wanted to check out the ladies there. He found most of them too mature for his taste,[/QUOTE]I agree that the young 20 year olds at CJs are more mature than they are at places like Hotel Classic. They have to be in order to survive. However, there are some very immature girls at CJs that are over 30 years old.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301655]
After my session with the Classic girl, it is what came next or more on what I learned that really disturbed me. She was tricked into working at Classic by her friend who advertised the work as Lady Companion for KTV. When coming here then she learned otherwise. By then, it is too late and she is already in debt. This mafia gang has a system that makes them go continously into debt and is forced to stay confined in their residence hall pretty much like prisoners. Essentially they are sex slaves. She can't leave and she is forced to continue working until all her debts are paid off.

After hearing all these, I kind of estimate how much she owed and towards the end, gave her that amount plus a bit more. I told her that hopefully it can give her a headstart and helped her out of this spiraling debt. I told her that should she continues this line of work, it is because she wants to and not because she is forced into it. She was so surprised that I did that and even second guessed my intention and asked if I am serious even after I had handed her the cash. I assured her there is no strings attached.

It did not make me feel good one way or another and I am pretty much done with Classics or any other places like these in the future.[/QUOTE]Hey Ggekko, I am not sure what the girl told you is 100% reliable, but you did what you thought was the right thing to do, so I can't fault you there, just I would not make a habit of saving young working girls if I were you. 555. BTW if you don't mind my asking, how much did you give her?

Point #2: I fully understand that whatever you gave, you gave with no strings atttached, BUT, IMHO, you would be loco not to see her again, away from Classic, if & when she texts you. She is a big girl now. If she wants to show you her gratitude why not let her? I would if I liked her and thought she was sexy.

Point #3: I also do not understand why you say your act of kindness did not make you feel good. I would think that your act of charity in helping a poor waif out of her misfortune would make you feel real good unless of course you think she might have duped you or that the money will not do any lasting good ie she will continue on in her profession and since her story worked once with you, she will try the con again and again on future customers. That's why I only tip for good service or when I like a girl. I never buy into a story especially from a girl I just met and send her money. My best girls never ask for money. They are the ones I have known for the longest time and the ones I am the most generous with.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2301584]Does anyone know if any of the Classic type places let you book to take a girl out to your hotel and how much it be?

I rather take girl couple hours my hotel than use their rooms, more comfortable as I stay in nice hotels and a waste not having a girl to take their.[/QUOTE]I have done this for roughly 1 mil IDR. The girl was pretty.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2301765]Hey Ggekko, I am not sure what the girl told you is 100% reliable, but you did what you thought was the right thing to do, so I can't fault you there, just I would not make a habit of saving young working girls if I were you. 555. BTW if you don't mind my asking, how much did you give her?
[/QUOTE]The amount was ridiculously small to me at least, though not an insignificant amount, but still small in light of things. Her debt at this stage was 3 million, and it is a sorry state to see her being forced into this situation for such an amount. I used the leftover cash that I had from the previous night that I had set aside for a threesome that did not actually materialize.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2301765]
Point #2: I fully understand that whatever you gave, you gave with no strings atttached, BUT, IMHO, you would be loco not to see her again, away from Classic, if & when she texts you. She is a big girl now. If she wants to show you her gratitude why not let her? I would if I liked her and thought she was sexy.
[/QUOTE]I believe she is grateful for what I did. If she wants to see me again on her own free will, I would definitely take it. I have her contact and I would definitely look her up again should I stop over in Jakarta in the future.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2301765]
Point #3: I also do not understand why you say your act of kindness did not make you feel good. I would think that your act of charity in helping a poor waif out of her misfortune would make you feel real good unless of course you think she might have duped you or that the money will not do any lasting good ie she will continue on in her profession and since her story worked once with you, she will try the con again and again on future customers. That's why I only tip for good service or when I like a girl. I never buy into a story especially from a girl I just met and send her money. My best girls never ask for money. They are the ones I have known for the longest time and the ones I am the most generous with.[/QUOTE]This to me is more philosophical. I always feel and have argued that prostitution should be legal and the government should stay away from our lives since these are transactions done between two consenting adults, maybe at times more than two for me, LOL. That is why I appreciate the wisdom of countries where such practices are legal, countries like Germany, Colombia and heck even Singapore. However, the keyword is consenting. Such practices in places like Classic to me feel like coercion, and it gives hobbyist like me a bad name. By the way, she never asked from me any money at any point in time at all. We were just chatting and I get to learn about her story.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301859]The amount was ridiculously small to me at least, though not an insignificant amount, but still small in light of things. Her debt at this stage was 3 million, and it is a sorry state to see her being forced into this situation for such an amount. I used the leftover cash that I had from the previous night that I had set aside for a threesome that did not actually materialize.

I believe she is grateful for what I did. If she wants to see me again on her own free will, I would definitely take it. I have her contact and I would definitely look her up again should I stop over in Jakarta in the future.

This to me is more philosophical. I always feel and have argued that prostitution should be legal and the government should stay away from our lives since these are transactions done between two consenting adults, maybe at times more than two for me, LOL. That is why I appreciate the wisdom of countries where such practices are legal, countries like Germany, Colombia and heck even Singapore. However, the keyword is consenting. Such practices in places like Classic to me feel like coercion, and it gives hobbyist like me a bad name. By the way, she never asked from me any money at any point in time at all. We were just chatting and I get to learn about her story.[/QUOTE]Mate,

I don't think the comments were a criticism, nor are mine as on the odd occasion I have been known to offer some help beyond what is expected as well.

When I read it my initial thought was as I hear this sort of story repeatedly and that you were almost certainly sucked in, I know if I listened to every sob story I heard and dipped in to my pocket to assist I would have no funds left to play the game.

We all learn and again if you felt satisfied assisting her, all's good, but my best guess is she will still be there in a few months time telling the same story to the next punter.

Pedro.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301655]

After my session with the Classic girl, it is what came next or more on what I learned that really disturbed me. She was tricked into working at Classic by her friend who advertised the work as Lady Companion for KTV. When coming here then she learned otherwise. By then, it is too late and she is already in debt. This mafia gang has a system that makes them go continously into debt and is forced to stay confined in their residence hall pretty much like prisoners. Essentially they are sex slaves. She can't leave and she is forced to continue working until all her debts are paid off.

After hearing all these, I kind of estimate how much she owed and towards the end, gave her that amount plus a bit more. I told her that hopefully it can give her a headstart and helped her out of this spiraling debt. I told her that should she continues this line of work, it is because she wants to and not because she is forced into it. She was so surprised that I did that and even second guessed my intention and asked if I am serious even after I had handed her the cash. I assured her there is no strings attached.

It did not make me feel good one way or another and I am pretty much done with Classics or any other places like these in the future.[/QUOTE]Nice work Mr Gekko.

Your girl's story has quite a good chance of being correct. OS often asks the girls as to the circumstances of why they are there and the story your girl told you is very common. They are given loans for family emergencies, medical care, to build a house for parents, brothers schooling etc etc and then they are brought to Jakarta and offered around Classic, the Kota Indah bars, Medika and the bars where the locals go by brokers. They go under the care of minders who get them to and from work which are the guys you see on motorbikes taking the girls away at closing time back to the mess. The minders are generally OK and treat the girls well. They are not permitted to have relationships with the girls but they are also representing the debt holders interests so collect salaries etc. Your tip money is what she will use for day to day food and living.

OS has also given a girl he took out for the night from Kota Indah the cash to settle out her debt. 3 million is quite a small debt, some of them will have 6,8 even up to 15 M debt. OS handed over 10 M in pounds and euros with specific instructions of how to change at the money changer and what rates to expect. She cried!.

It took her another 4 weeks to get out and last time OS heard from her she was staying with her sister in Tangerang. She really wanted to catch up again but OS was cautious about her getting too attached so never got to Tangerang. She was just a really sweet girl straight from the kampung who was a little bit in shock as to how she came to be where she was and it was only after a while lying there post coitus in bed playing with her very generous boobies that OS managed to tease the story out of her. But no regrets. Morally though, like you say, each to their own as to how comfortable they are with that knowledge.

So full points to you Mr Gekko for caring. Jakarta is awash with scams, OS has had taxi drivers crying in the taxi while relaying the story of sick baby / dead wife / motorbike accident and his steely heart does not flinch but sometimes these stories from these girls are true and from what OS knows from his illustrious career socialising with them Is that the story you were told is not uncommon. Sometimes you need to trust your heart.

Hope that helps.

OS.

I bet she's working at Classic tonight.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2301942] OS has had taxi drivers crying in the taxi while relaying the story of sick baby / dead wife / motorbike accident and his steely heart does not flinch but sometimes these stories from these girls are true and from what OS knows from his illustrious career socialising with them Is that the story you were told is not uncommon. Sometimes you need to trust your heart.[/QUOTE]I've only had 2 taxi drivers do that, but like you, my heart did not flinch and I gave them nothing. I have given many girls "extra" money over the years though. I never donate to any proper charities, but I do consider myself to be quite the philanthropist. I will be going to Heaven without a doubt as I have done my part in helping these young girls.

Not saying each and every one of them is a scamming cry wolf but 90% are. I use Grab and never had any issues. Friend of mine who lives in Bandung now, used to live In Jakarta and drive Grab in Jakarta before, told me all the stories he heard from Taxi drivers of scamming people, specially expats / tourist.

Apparently it's their snack time entertainment stories, so don't let them take advantage of your good will.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2302169]I've only had 2 taxi drivers do that, but like you, my heart did not flinch and I gave them nothing. I have given many girls "extra" money over the years though. I never donate to any proper charities, but I do consider myself to be quite the philanthropist. I will be going to Heaven without a doubt as I have done my part in helping these young girls.[/QUOTE]

No such thing call bar fine and don't even acknowledge if they try to say something like that. Pretend that, that's the stupidest thing you have ever heard and made it sound like funny.

You would have to try that by late night 1 pm to 2 pm and talk to Mama. My suggestion, take the girl for a round first and see how things goes between 2 of you. Also, ask the girl for her number and tell her you would like to take her to your hotel room. If she buzzes on your offer, she will do the talking and convincing with Mama. Alternatively, you can negotiate with mama as well. I had good luck dealing with mama once as she knew me from previous visit and girl was ready as well.

Second opinion would be, arrange a meet with the girl later on in your room but don't pay her anything more than 1 mill for couple of shot. Chances are she will visit you before starting her shift in the evening. Fresh catch of the day.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2301584]Does anyone know if any of the Classic type places let you book to take a girl out to your hotel and how much it be?

I rather take girl couple hours my hotel than use their rooms, more comfortable as I stay in nice hotels and a waste not having a girl to take their.[/QUOTE]

All the hotel rooms are on Second and Third floor of the hotel side. I've stayed the 2 x in a standard room with breakfast and it's decent for the price. Hot water, TV, In room safe pretty much everything standard amenities wise. Come is book smoking and. On smoking rooms as they advertise but I'm sure all of them are smoking allowed.

Business Standard rooms are bit larger in size compared to a standard and comes with a couch. Price wise. Almost 2 x the price of the standard room unless you have good negotiation skills and get lucky. I think they only have 4 of this type room.

VIP rooms are the largest type of room and much more space. Living room area is 2 steps higher than bedroom area. Even though it's the same room. Comes with larger sofa and I believe one room has balcony. Price wise higher than business standard type room. I believe I was quoted. 875 mill but can't recall my memory well as that was 2 years ago.

Best thing I like about staying in Classic hotel is, you are steps away from the entertainment complex and can order in room massage from the hotel reception for 100 thousand IDR and hour which was decent. You Can always negotiate extra.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2301583]How much is the VIP rooms at Classic?

And is it for the classic place on second floor or the top floor?

I found they both had same type rooms.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301655]After hearing all these, I kind of estimate how much she owed and towards the end, gave her that amount plus a bit more. I told her that hopefully it can give her a headstart and helped her out of this spiraling debt. I told her that should she continues this line of work, it is because she wants to and not because she is forced into it. She was so surprised that I did that and even second guessed my intention and asked if I am serious even after I had handed her the cash. I assured her there is no strings attached.

It did not make me feel good one way or another and I am pretty much done with Classics or any other places like these in the future.[/QUOTE]It's a good deed and you should feel good about it. Even if someone may say that you may have been taken for a ride, it is the thought of doing something good that should be counted.

There was this girl at Fashion whom I helped like this but in her case, she had to go for another debt for her father's medical conditions for which she had to continue for a few more months though her previous debt was cleared.

But the wrong part was that somehow she told others about me and then other girls used to think that I have fallen for her and would not go with me but advise me to take her only. And she too somehow waited for me even sometime feigning illness for other customers.

I also helped a girl in another city by enrolling her son in a missionary school. Whenever I visit the city she will meet me or at least try to meet me even if she is married to another person.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2302219]No such thing call bar fine and don't even acknowledge if they try to say something like that. Pretend that, that's the stupidest thing you have ever heard and made it sound like funny.

You would have to try that by late night 1 pm to 2 pm and talk to Mama. My suggestion, take the girl for a round first and see how things goes between 2 of you. Also, ask the girl for her number and tell her you would like to take her to your hotel room. If she buzzes on your offer, she will do the talking and convincing with Mama. Alternatively, you can negotiate with mama as well. I had good luck dealing with mama once as she knew me from previous visit and girl was ready as well.

Second opinion would be, arrange a meet with the girl later on in your room but don't pay her anything more than 1 mill for couple of shot. Chances are she will visit you before starting her shift in the evening. Fresh catch of the day.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say, but it seems you don't know what you are talking about. Read Offshore Swell's recent post. That is how it works.

When you are "talking to Mama", that is a negotiation to, for all intensive purposes, pay her bar fine. If you are pulling the girl near closing time (1 or 2 am), it is cheaper than earlier in the day / night. But you still have to pay around 1. 6 million rupiah even talking to the mama that late at night if you want the girl to stay with you in your room until morning. The mama has to clear it with the manager as well, it's not just her you are negotiating with. Places like Hotel Classic basically own these girls. (again, read Offshore swell's post).

The chance of the girl stopping by your room right before work for a "fresh catch of the day" sexual romp is slim and none due to the reasons mentioned in Offshore Swell's post. They control those girls completely, no way are they going to allow that.

[QUOTE=Gautam000;2302327]It's a good deed and you should feel good about it. Even if someone may say that you may have been taken for a ride, it is the thought of doing something good that should be counted.

There was this girl at Fashion whom I helped like this but in her case, she had to go for another debt for her father's medical conditions for which she had to continue for a few more months though her previous debt was cleared.

But the wrong part was that somehow she told others about me and then other girls used to think that I have fallen for her and would not go with me but advise me to take her only. And she too somehow waited for me even sometime feigning illness for other customers.

I also helped a girl in another city by enrolling her son in a missionary school. Whenever I visit the city she will meet me or at least try to meet me even if she is married to another person.[/QUOTE]The Classic girl whom I had helped actually fled the next morning. She used the money to pay what she owed for boarding, bought the bus fare to Palembang. Good for her that I can help.

Unfortunately her minder knows where she lives and threatened her to pay back the remainder of what she owed. She was radio silent for two days until she had no choice but to contact me to ask for help. She needed the remaining 1 million to get this mafia from pursuing her anymore. Unfortunately, I have already left Indonesia but I was able to ask my local friend for a favor to wire her the money.

I know there is no 100% certainty if this is in fact the case, but it is not a lot of money anyway. If it is true, then I have just helped her get on with a new live. Knowing that, I genuinely feel great now.

I don't meant to confuse you or anyone with my experience and no disrespect to anyone's reviews and information either.

I stayed at Classic hotel on the first week of February and wasn't my first visit and won't be last. Because of my frequent visits I'm friends with hotel staff and Terminal 2 staff. I walk in without paying any entry fee and not being search by security guard. I step out to hangout with the staff and to have a smoke in middle of night even without settling the bills. I know some of the mamas and they knows my taste. I don't get harassed by any mama either to take a girl as I walk in. Even some tor the waitress knows what beer I like and when to get a refill. I respect them and treat them well and tip them well and that goes a long way.

I had seen 2 girls in my hotel room and had a threesome before they started their shift for a very decent price. I had taken girls to my room at 2 am and kept her till the morning for again a very decent price. I don't haggle and bargain with them and tip them well. Classic is not a prison and girls are not prisoners. Yes, they are controlled heavily but not against their will.

It all depends on ones approach, attitude and intellectual on how to gain privilege. To sum it up. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not here to pick-on or point fingers. I'm here to share my experience and to assist fellow mongers to the right direction if they need.

Happy safe mongering bro.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2302401]Sorry to say, but it seems you don't know what you are talking about. Read Offshore Swell's recent post. That is how it works.

When you are "talking to Mama", that is a negotiation to, for all intensive purposes, pay her bar fine. If you are pulling the girl near closing time (1 or 2 am), it is cheaper than earlier in the day / night. But you still have to pay around 1. 6 million rupiah even talking to the mama that late at night if you want the girl to stay with you in your room until morning. The mama has to clear it with the manager as well, it's not just her you are negotiating with. Places like Hotel Classic basically own these girls. (again, read Offshore swell's post).

The chance of the girl stopping by your room right before work for a "fresh catch of the day" sexual romp is slim and none due to the reasons mentioned in Offshore Swell's post. They control those girls completely, no way are they going to allow that.[/QUOTE]

The wilder side of this trip.

On the first night after we reached Jakarta, I brought my friend to CJ since he had never visited the place. I was surprised to bump into this girl (let's call her Girl-1 for the benefits of everyone's anonymity) and her younger sister (Girl-2). I have known Girl-1 on my last trip and it was surprising to have her texted me out of the blue just a few days prior to arrival about my whereabout. I told her then that I was still out of the country. Apparently, I found out later that my information had been passed around by this CJ girl (Girl-3) whom I had tried to arrange to be my escort for the weekend. (So a word of warning, these girls talk among each other, they know how much you pay, your dick size, your demand etc etc, and every little gossip they can find). Girl-3 was my favorite girl from the last trip, but this time I was pissed at her as she stood me up after promising that she would be available.

Anyway, I have always wanted certainty and that Girl-3 fickleness threw a wrench into my plan. We are meeting up with my local friends and their wives at Colosseum and now I am without an escort. So I fall back on Girl-1 and asked for her to arrange for another girl who needs to be in her early 20's with tight body. She presented me with a few options but most of them need to be picked up as a package. The selections were pretty limited since she mentioned that I only asked for it on the same day and on a Saturday night. I landed with one (Girl-4) who who can double up with her as my double escorts. Anyway, another wrench was thrown when Girl-4 has to bail out a few hours prior to our meet, because her boyfriend had suddenly asked her out that night and she did not want to raise any suspicion. Crap. Finally, I requested Girl-1 to bring along her younger sister (Girl-2) and needed assurance that there should not be any awkwardness, and she mentioned that it should be the least of my worries. Nice.

Anyway, we all met up at Colosseum and Girl-1 showed up in high heels. She thought that Colosseum had the same kind of crappy dress code as that of Dragonfly, and I told her to better get changed, since there is no way she can keep up with us on the dance floor in those high heels. She ordered up GoJek to deliver her attire from her apartment to us in Colo. All these conveniences these days. My buddy has tagged along without an escort. I told him that there is always an option to pick one from the LC group. My local friend also tipped the security and asked him if he could direct any freelancers to us. They know who the freelancers are. Anyway, a few did show up to our tables, but I think by then my friend was already having so much fun with Girl-2 the younger sister, that it fell through. I offered up Girl-2 to my buddy and told her to treat him real well. We had huge fun that night and were very intoxicated from all those liqueur shots.

My friend and I ended the night by bringing each girl to our hotel room. Girl-1 never realized that her period has not completely ended and only realized it after we were halfway through our deeds. She said that she would like to finish me with a BJ CIM, but she needed to return to her apartment first to get her feminine products, since her apartment was just a five minutes walking distance from the hotel. She asked for money first and assured me that she would be back by leaving behind her purse and more importantly her ID (KTP). I obliged. However, at that point, she forgot to bring along the hotel key card and did not remember where our room was. Frontdesk was adamant about keeping guests privacy when she tried to find out where I was as she mentioned that I did not respond to her WhatApp text. I know that's a complete BS since she actually fell asleep and did not wake up in her bed until noon.

Anyway, now I am pissed at her, and that day upon checking out of the hotel, I left her purse by the front desk, but kept her KTP. The next day she asked me where I left her stuff, and later realized that I still had her KTP. I ignored her and decided to let her sweat a bit longer.

Come Monday evening and I was bored. I texted back at Girl-1 if she is interested in hanging out with me and she immediately agreed. I told her that she still owe me the time and a good BJ. In fact, I half joked with her that she can finish her BJ with me anywhere while we are hanging out. I picked her up at Hotel Mulia that night but insisted of not spending my time at CJ. CJ is a great place to find freelancers but not really an ideal place to chill out. We headed out to Cloud Lounge located on the top floor of Plaza Indonesia. Google Maps said that it was open but we found out later after arriving that it has been closed for renovation.

At that point I was out of ideas. Since it's Monday night, it is usually quiet everywhere. I ask Girl-1 to bring me to places where she would enjoy going and to just treat me as her BF for that night and I wanted to experience the authentic local hangout places. First, she brought me to an open bar located on the second floor building next to the lokasari building. The drink was cheap but the music played by the DJ was horrible. I can't really remember the name of the place but it was pretty crowded at that time.

Next, she brought me to what I would consider an underground dance club called Siera which is a walking distance from Lokasari. This spot was really something. If you go in without a pounding headache, I can guarantee you that you would walk out with one. This place was crowded, dark and grungy and loud, with the DJ playing just one form of music which is one constant beat, no build up, no crescendo, nothing, nada, just one constant beat. However, for whatever reason, the local patrons just love it. It is also interesting how the club requires all girls to check in their purse and handphones on the front desk, and the guys and girls would take their gender assigned lanes to enter where the security would slide their hands slowly along your pants to see if you bringing in any contrabands. Interesting.

After just two rounds of drink, Girl-1 wanted to go to Crown, since Siera does not have any ecstasy. At first I was hesitant given the last bad experience that I had, and told her that if we are to go, she needs to be my "Wing Lady", LOL.

Prior to entering Crown, Girl-1 told me that instead of paying for entrance fee, why don't I use the money to tip the usher and she can bring me to a front table in the lounge which I did. We ordered the first round of drink, and just go with the flow of the music. However, this place is no Colosseum, the music was better than Siera but it still sucked. I had my hands all over her and would make out like some teenagers. At some point, I asked her if she was interested to get high and her eyes just lighted up. I handed her the money and she procured the stimulant for herself. Things started to go up a notch.

As always, Crown would always be Crown. Even with Girl-1 next to me, there are many girls hitting on me like sharks smelling blood. I would be very flattered if I do not know any better what their real intentions were. As such, I would return the greeting, accepted their introduction and move on. Then her friends saw her and moved in. One of her friend I knew, since we had threesome before, and the other one was Girl-4, the one that supposedly bailed out last minute due to her boyfriend. Anyway, courtesy prompted me to buy them drinks. They prodded Girl-1 to see if I am interested in opening a bottle, and I refused. By the way, Girl-4 looked great with real tight body in her early 20's. If she had come along to our Colosseum gathering that night, it would be hard to pass her up to my buddy, LOL.

Unfortunately, my intent was different that night. Anyway, as we partied along, the girls would drag me up the floor and I found out that they wanted me to open a room. Ah, that infamous room where anything can happen literally in Crown. Anyway, I am starting to get pissed, and told Girl-1 straight up that she is supposed to be the wingman, and demanded that she took care of all these nonsense immediately and she did.

After Crown, we took a taxi and went back to Siera again, and there she said without irony, it's actually much safer at Siera. No one in there bothers you and you can do anything you want. 5 AM and that place was still packed with people. WTF.

I stayed for another 15 minutes before I told her that I was hungry and needed a good romp. She brought me out to eat at one of the pecel lele warung. The fried chickens were actually very good. We then checked into one of the newly opened hotel (Illumnior) next door.

By the way, our night did not just stop there. After our hump, she said her stimulant was still in the system and asked for permission to return to Siera, and I said ok. Her KTP is still with me anyway. I did ask her to bring back a girl for a threesome if she happens to find a good one. Too bad there would not be any threesome since most of the girls were not willing to stay with us until late noon. But she did return to the hotel after 7 am and immediately fell asleep next to me. I guess this is what the local girls get to do to have a good time. Crazy but I like it.

Ggekko's "wild night" post seems to have stalled the forum.

Quite the interesting night. Would enjoy a similar adventure later this year.

Attached is Lia from CJ's.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2304508]Ggekko's "wild night" post seems to have stalled the forum.

Quite the interesting night. Would enjoy a similar adventure later this year.

Attached is Lia from CJ's.[/QUOTE]Nice. I have a fetish for girls with braces.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2304508]Ggekko's "wild night" post seems to have stalled the forum.

Quite the interesting night. Would enjoy a similar adventure later this year.

Attached is Lia from CJ's.[/QUOTE]Beautiful girl man very nice looking good job.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301655]I had been to Classics once several years ago but mainly to accompany someone there. I visited Classics again last Thursday with a friend after our visit both to CJ and BATS that same night. He had read about both CJ and BATS and wanted to check out the ladies there. He found most of them too mature for his taste, and there we were ending up in Classics on the fifth floor.

There was a minimal cover charge to enter, and upon entering, there were like five girls in see through lingerie dancing lamely on stage. The place was not crowded and we picked a spot to sit. The mamasan would soon trot along her girls and made them sit next to us. We always like to observe first from a distance and do not like this kind of pressure tactic. Anyway, the mommy assured us there is no obligation, and we can turn down the girls if we don't feel right with them. My friend was not interested in the girl assigned to him at first and was asking if there were other girls. Another girl was brought to him while the first one continued to thrust herself onto him. Anyway, an offer was made from the Mamasan for these two girls for 500 K and he took it.

In the meantime, the girl assigned to me sat at an arms lenght next to me and was very shy. We chatted briefly and I asked her where she is from (Palembang) and how long has she had worked at Classics (two weeks). I had no intention of sessioning with any girls there, but I liked that girl and off we go. Even though she is quiet and reserved, but once in the room (which was surprisingly nice) , she was very GFE, responding and enjoying every bit of our physical encounter. We exchanged our WhatsApp after that, tipped her and she wanted me to come see her again soon.

Two days passed and I received WA messages from her asking if I would like to see her again. I later learned that she had been out sick for the last two days after she saw me. She was hoping that she can make up for the lost two days.

As promised, I visited her that night. I needed that release since I was still trying to get rid of the hangover from all the heavy drinking and partying at Coloseum the previous night with a group of friends. (By the way, I learned that you can have the security act as your pimp with the right tip. My local friend gave him 100 k to help us find a FL from the dance floor for my friend who came along to the party without an escort while I had two, a sister pair, already lined up for me.) Anyway, that was for another part of the report.

After my session with the Classic girl, it is what came next or more on what I learned that really disturbed me. She was tricked into working at Classic by her friend who advertised the work as Lady Companion for KTV. When coming here then she learned otherwise. By then, it is too late and she is already in debt. This mafia gang has a system that makes them go continously into debt and is forced to stay confined in their residence hall pretty much like prisoners. Essentially they are sex slaves. She can't leave and she is forced to continue working until all her debts are paid off.

After hearing all these, I kind of estimate how much she owed and towards the end, gave her that amount plus a bit more. I told her that hopefully it can give her a headstart and helped her out of this spiraling debt. I told her that should she continues this line of work, it is because she wants to and not because she is forced into it. She was so surprised that I did that and even second guessed my intention and asked if I am serious even after I had handed her the cash. I assured her there is no strings attached.

It did not make me feel good one way or another and I am pretty much done with Classics or any other places like these in the future.[/QUOTE]This world needs more people like you.

You have done a great job. Please don't worry about the rest.

Thank you.

Hi all,

First ever post, so please treat me gently.

Quick question. I read that Mercure Jakarta Kota is girl friendly but what are the practicalties? Can she walk right through the lobby and into an elevator without being challenged?

It's a Seeking lady and I strongly suspect she is "respectable" (I. E. not a pro) hence doesn't necessarily want her ID details at the front desk.

Any intel would be much appreciated, thanks.

James F.

Retired Engineer.

Now spending my pension & children's inheritance on whoring my way around the world.

[QUOTE=JamesXFisher;2306754]Hi all,

First ever post, so please treat me gently.

Quick question. I read that Mercure Jakarta Kota is girl friendly but what are the practicalties? Can she walk right through the lobby and into an elevator without being challenged?

It's a Seeking lady and I strongly suspect she is "respectable" (I. E. not a pro) hence doesn't necessarily want her ID details at the front desk.

Any intel would be much appreciated, thanks.

James F.

Retired Engineer.

Now spending my pension & children's inheritance on whoring my way around the world.[/QUOTE]Most of the hotels, and perhaps all that I know, in Jakarta are girl friendly, as in they don't really care how many girls or who you want to bring back. The only problem with your lady friend going to your room has got to do more with the elevator security setup. In many hotels, you need to have your key card to go to the upper floor where your rooms are located. If your lady friend has that key card, then she can just get on the elevator and go straight to your room. Otherwise, just meet her at the lobby and bring her up. No one from the hotel would care about who you meet and bring to your room. Have fun during your stay.

[QUOTE=JamesXFisher;2306754]Hi all,

First ever post, so please treat me gently.

Quick question. I read that Mercure Jakarta Kota is girl friendly but what are the practicalties? Can she walk right through the lobby and into an elevator without being challenged?

It's a Seeking lady and I strongly suspect she is "respectable" (I. E. not a pro) hence doesn't necessarily want her ID details at the front desk.

Any intel would be much appreciated, thanks.

James F.

Retired Engineer.

Now spending my pension & children's inheritance on whoring my way around the world.[/QUOTE]Proper way to spend your bank, IMHO.

I stayed their four years go for about three nights. No registration of guests was required. FYI, a solid hotel, but the rooms needed a refurbishing badly. If you are seeking non-working girls, and want something a bit nicer for about $15 more a night, the Novotel Gejah Mada is much better.

[QUOTE=JamesXFisher;2306754]
Quick question. I read that Mercure Jakarta Kota is girl friendly but what are the practicalties? Can she walk right through the lobby and into an elevator without being challenged?[/QUOTE]I don't know of any hotel in Jakarta that is not girl friendly. I have not stayed at the Mercure Jakarta Kota because I don't like to stay in that dirty area of town (Novotel Gajah Mada just mentioned below is also in that same area). There are much nicer areas in Jakarta than Kota. That area is pretty much only a good option if you plan to go to the nearby brothels. However, I have never had any hotel anywhere in Jakarta "challenge" me taking a girl to my room. They never say a word to you if you accompany them. If you do not accompany the girl and want her to come to your room on her own, they may take her ID before escorting her up to you. I doubt she will be able to just walk up to your room, she will likely have to stop at the desk if you do not accompany her. Personally, I normally have the girl call me when she arrives and I come down and get her to avoid her having to interact with the hotel staff.

There is lots of information on hotel etiquette in the hotel thread.

[QUOTE=Psychman;2306896]Proper way to spend your bank, IMHO.
[/QUOTE]I can't think of a better way to spend it.

[QUOTE=JamesXFisher;2306754]
It's a Seeking lady and I strongly suspect she is "respectable" (I. E. not a pro) hence doesn't necessarily want her ID details at the front desk.[/QUOTE]One thing that I can say about all these girls regardless if they are "pros" or not, they can be a regular people with regular day job, but they are all in it for the money to usually supplement their income to either support their lifestyle or extended family. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2306935]I don't know of any hotel in Jakarta that is not girl friendly. I have not stayed at the Mercure Jakarta Kota because I don't like to stay in that dirty area of town (Novotel Gajah Mada just mentioned below is also in that same area). There are much nicer areas in Jakarta than Kota. That area is pretty much only a good option if you plan to go to the nearby brothels. However, I have never had any hotel anywhere in Jakarta "challenge" me taking a girl to my room. They never say a word to you if you accompany them. If you do not accompany the girl and want her to come to your room on her own, they may take her ID before escorting her up to you. I doubt she will be able to just walk up to your room, she will likely have to stop at the desk if you do not accompany her. Personally, I normally have the girl call me when she arrives and I come down and get her to avoid her having to interact with the hotel staff.

There is lots of information on hotel etiquette in the hotel thread.[/QUOTE]I have to say I struggle with this at times also, especially given I might bring 4- 5 different girls over that number of days, as I always sense those on reception glaring at me.

Stopped at a hotel in Tangerang where you walked straight towards reception coming in the entrance, sure it was a little intimidating for the girl also.

Never have they been asked for ID. More that is more likely to happen in Bali from my experiences.

Pedro.

One of the things about Indonesia is that there is this parallel universe that exists behind closed doors and hotels are the proxy.

That means if threesomes are your thing you can march through the lobby with two ladies of your choice and apart from a sly shit eating grin from the maintenance guy they will not say a word. Indonesians all use hotels as a respite from the rules that they go by the rest of the time and you are welcome to do so as well.

The best way to handle this is to hold your head high like the lothario that you are and look them straight in the eye. OS has taken girls up to his room in all states, from clubbed out vomit in the lift type girls to kampung girls in pyjamas to the sluttiest looking outfits you could think of and then dropped them back to the lobby in the morning. Once you are behind those doors in a hotel in Indonesia you are safe. Except of course for the political party head that they caught with a pile of shabu and a girl which would have been a set up by his enemies. They even dismantled the toilet to get the evidence.

But fear not. As a meek, mild mannered engineer. You are just doing exactly what they all do so just pick up that confident stride and do it. It is only ever the walk of shame if that's what you feel. The difference is the dynamics of power and money in this country mean there's no shame involved.

Hope that helps.

OS.

Longtime lurker who is trying to contribute a few reports, even if outdated.

Went to Delta Massage in Jakarta several years ago. Very nice location with low lighting that sets the mood. Requested a VIP with hot stone massage. Did not request a specific girl, but given one with great little body and pretty face.

First off, a very high quality massage, legit quality. This place offers real massage with perks. She started off wearing a silk robe, but it at some point came off as the steam / heat built. Slow sensual buildup on the thighs and balls. Standing to attention, with her on her knees between my spread eagle legs. Fantastic slow HJ to a massive explosion.

Very limited English, which did take away from some of the experience, but hard to expect more. Professional about it, not going to be fooled that there is some magical connection. And I believe the walls did not extend fully up, even though it was a fairly large room that otherwise felt pretty private. Still recommend as a good option for excellent massage and relief.

Hi!

I've been to Jakarta twice first in last June and than again in last month so I figured I'd share my experiences after all this time lurking around. Let me start with the bad stuff, two very similar experiences the first in Hotel Travel last year where a girl wiped me with Listerine and then went on licking me at the same places which I obviously found more weird than anything else, this time same thing happened in Hotel Classic, Listerine wipes refusing BBBJ etc the whole thing was ridiculous. A couple days ago I read OS report about these girls circumstances so that put things into perspective. However I'd like to know if others receive similarly bad services at this venues. Is this the standard? I went to other places at this price range like New Saryu in Kota Indah (4 times) not mind blowing but good service each time, no issue with BBBJ, I think the price was 380 k. However my favourite is the small room in Malio just wish I could remember how they call it lounge or resto whatever where the girls cost around 400 k opposed to the 900 k and upwards in the bigger room. I know beauty in the eye of the beholder but I found them just as attractive if not more. I took 6-8 of them over my visits and all of them were great with the couple of them being exceptional. And I was exactly the same guy there as far as attitude and personal hygiene go so I can't really get my head around the need of wiping my nipples with Listerine. I also visited Emporium twice on Pecenongan street that's a bit more expensive. They got girls for 1065000 and 1265000 if I remember correctly, good selection of girls, nice rooms. Recommended place too.

[QUOTE=Janna81;2307296]Hi!

I've been to Jakarta twice first in last June and than again in last month so I figured I'd share my experiences after all this time lurking around. Let me start with the bad stuff, two very similar experiences the first in Hotel Travel last year where a girl wiped me with Listerine and then went on licking me at the same places which I obviously found more weird than anything else, this time same thing happened in Hotel Classic, Listerine wipes refusing BBBJ etc the whole thing was ridiculous. A couple days ago I read OS report about these girls circumstances so that put things into perspective. However I'd like to know if others receive similarly bad services at this venues. Is this the standard? I went to other places at this price range like New Saryu in Kota Indah (4 times) not mind blowing but good service each time, no issue with BBBJ, I think the price was 380 k. However my favourite is the small room in Malio just wish I could remember how they call it lounge or resto whatever where the girls cost around 400 k opposed to the 900 k and upwards in the bigger room. I know beauty in the eye of the beholder but I found them just as attractive if not more. I took 6-8 of them over my visits and all of them were great with the couple of them being exceptional. And I was exactly the same guy there as far as attitude and personal hygiene go so I can't really get my head around the need of wiping my nipples with Listerine. I also visited Emporium twice on Pecenongan street that's a bit more expensive. They got girls for 1065000 and 1265000 if I remember correctly, good selection of girls, nice rooms. Recommended place too.[/QUOTE]How do you find this Malio small room?

Last I remember, on top floor of one building is the main room with girls of all countries and dancers 3 at a time on a stage on the right when you get in.

In next building on ground floor I think is the club with sofas surrounding dance stage.

I wasn't sure where else to go to find girls?

Was there a massage area I missed, is that the "small" room?

I have a 6 hours late night airport layover (midnight to 6:00). Checked with Orchardz Bandara that their last massage order is 22:30. Any other fun and budget friendly places nearby which are open during those hours?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2307175]One of the things about Indonesia is that there is this parallel universe that exists behind closed doors and hotels are the proxy.

That means if threesomes are your thing you can march through the lobby with two ladies of your choice and apart from a sly shit eating grin from the maintenance guy they will not say a word. Indonesians all use hotels as a respite from the rules that they go by the rest of the time and you are welcome to do so as well.

The best way to handle this is to hold your head high like the lothario that you are and look them straight in the eye. OS has taken girls up to his room in all states, from clubbed out vomit in the lift type girls to kampung girls in pyjamas to the sluttiest looking outfits you could think of and then dropped them back to the lobby in the morning. Once you are behind those doors in a hotel in Indonesia you are safe. Except of course for the political party head that they caught with a pile of shabu and a girl which would have been a set up by his enemies. They even dismantled the toilet to get the evidence.

But fear not. As a meek, mild mannered engineer. You are just doing exactly what they all do so just pick up that confident stride and do it. It is only ever the walk of shame if that's what you feel. The difference is the dynamics of power and money in this country mean there's no shame involved.

Hope that helps.

OS.[/QUOTE]It reminded me of the one night when a girl that I was with was so drunk that when we reached the hotel and coming out of the taxi, I had to ask the front doorman to carry her to our room. It took two of them to literary carry her and they were more than pleased to help since I tipped them pretty generously.

And also another time, the bellboy delivered room service and two of the girls that I brought back to my room were pretty much already half undressed, and the guy never batted an eye. As always, they know what is going on and usually remain discrete about this kind of stuff.

Although there are absolutely girls that are bound by high debts, I do want to put some things in perspective and say that it does not mean ALL girls are like that, even in the afore mentioned places.

For example: I have 2 Malio dancers who I regularly bang on their day off. One girl is completely debt free and never had one to begin with. She worked as an SPG in some mall at one point before she was introduced to the scene by a female friend, did a trial evening, decided she liked the easy money and stuck around, she's 20. The other one has been at Malio for 6 years, still has a rocking body at 25, and was debt free for 4 years. She then decided she wanted to buy a Pajero and took a 200 jt cash loan from the company to substitute her savings, obviously binding her. This loan bears 1% interest per month, although not a great deal its far away from loanshark / maffia practices.

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2307386]Although there are absolutely girls that are bound by high debts, I do want to put some things in perspective and say that it does not mean ALL girls are like that, even in the afore mentioned places.

For example: I have 2 Malio dancers who I regularly bang on their day off. One girl is completely debt free and never had one to begin with. She worked as an SPG in some mall at one point before she was introduced to the scene by a female friend, did a trial evening, decided she liked the easy money and stuck around, she's 20. The other one has been at Malio for 6 years, still has a rocking body at 25, and was debt free for 4 years. She then decided she wanted to buy a Pajero and took a 200 jt cash loan from the company to substitute her savings, obviously binding her. This loan bears 1% interest per month, although not a great deal its far away from loanshark / maffia practices.[/QUOTE]I agree that the dancers are not sex slaves. However, the other girls are sex slaves.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2307175]<SNIP>
But fear not. As a meek, mild mannered engineer. You are just doing exactly what they all do so just pick up that confident stride and do it. It is only ever the walk of shame if that's what you feel. The difference is the dynamics of power and money in this country mean there's no shame involved.

Hope that helps.

OS.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. The walk of shame exists only between your ears.

Regards.

Was in Jakarta and was flooded with 'Incall' massage offers. Engaged with them all and uniformly told them I cannot share room number and asked them to give me a call from the lobby. Standard reply from every one of those who sent me the offer was a big 'No'. The pictures they send you are of beautiful 20 something girls and all messages come from one 'handler' who will send older flabbier women to unsuspecting clients to their hotel rooms. Its easier for us to walk away from the girl waiting in the lobby once we realize its the wrong girl. Its probably not that easy to turn away a girl from your room. This whole thing is a scam suggest you don't fall for such offers on we chat.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2307390]I agree that the dancers are not sex slaves. However, the other girls are sex slaves.[/QUOTE]I think you will struggle to find a girl who has been on the game for a while who is not bonded in some form. Even those that are not bound by a cash debt become addicted to the easy money and flashy toys. Add in family and peers who become use to looking the other way as nice gifts roll in and it's a habit that is hard to break.

[QUOTE=CoolBilly09;2308072]Was in Jakarta and was flooded with 'Incall' massage offers. Engaged with them all and uniformly told them I cannot share room number and asked them to give me a call from the lobby. Standard reply from every one of those who sent me the offer was a big 'No'. The pictures they send you are of beautiful 20 something girls and all messages come from one 'handler' who will send older flabbier women to unsuspecting clients to their hotel rooms. Its easier for us to walk away from the girl waiting in the lobby once we realize its the wrong girl. Its probably not that easy to turn away a girl from your room. This whole thing is a scam suggest you don't fall for such offers on we chat.[/QUOTE]You could always try and give them a room number down the hall, so when they turn up (not at your door) you can suss them out when they go past your door. Just try make sure its an empty room you send them to otherwise have some unhappy wife down the hall having go at husband for ordering a WG to the room!

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2308008]Completely agree. The walk of shame exists only between your ears.[/QUOTE]I don't know about that. I was kicked out of an upscale apartment I was staying at because the upper class older Indonesian women complained about me bringing a different girl into their building every night. Admittedly, that was a rare circumstance and I've never had that problem in a hotel in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2308239]I think you will struggle to find a girl who has been on the game for a while who is not bonded in some form. Even those that are not bound by a cash debt become addicted to the easy money and flashy toys. Add in family and peers who become use to looking the other way as nice gifts roll in and it's a habit that is hard to break.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of Indonesian girls interested in western men who have never been "bonded". You can find them walking around the malls, in offices, etc.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2308269]There are plenty of Indonesian girls interested in western men who have never been "bonded". You can find them walking around the malls, in offices, etc.[/QUOTE]I was continuing the discussion about working girls and used a very wide definition of "bonded" to include the addiction to money, lifestyle etc.

I guess in many ways the same could be said about girls who continuously and repeatedly court whities. For most it's their only access to nice apartments, drivers and impressive IG travel selfies. These could become equally addicting if the girl's family situation was not able to independently provide them.

It's not unusual to see a girl break up with one bule and immediately move on to another. If this happens enough times she will be given the label SKB by local guys: suka kontol bule.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2308239]I think you will struggle to find a girl who has been on the game for a while who is not bonded in some form. Even those that are not bound by a cash debt become addicted to the easy money and flashy toys. Add in family and peers who become use to looking the other way as nice gifts roll in and it's a habit that is hard to break.[/QUOTE]That's their own damn fault.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2308508]That's their own damn fault.[/QUOTE]Exactly. That's why you should only go with the girls who are free lancers at places like BATS and CJs. They control their own destiny and it's their own damn fault. The girls who are sex slaves in places like Hotel Classic are helpless victims.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2308874]The girls who are sex slaves in places like Hotel Classic are helpless victims.[/QUOTE]True. It's also shocking how many of the girls were sold off by people they should have been able to trust: boyfriends, uncles etc. Many times a father's drinking or gambling debts are paid off with a pretty daughter.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2308882]True. It's also shocking how many of the girls were sold off by people they should have been able to trust: boyfriends, uncles etc. Many times a father's drinking or gambling debts are paid off with a pretty daughter.[/QUOTE]Yup, something like that. Find below link. One of the better pieces of journalism on the supply line, how girls end up in Jakarta brothels:

[URL]https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/girls-for-sale-indramayus-prostitution-production-line-20150223-13m8o9.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=HihiSter;2307386]Although there are absolutely girls that are bound by high debts, I do want to put some things in perspective and say that it does not mean ALL girls are like that, even in the afore mentioned places.

For example: I have 2 Malio dancers who I regularly bang on their day off. One girl is completely debt free and never had one to begin with. She worked as an SPG in some mall at one point before she was introduced to the scene by a female friend, did a trial evening, decided she liked the easy money and stuck around, she's 20. The other one has been at Malio for 6 years, still has a rocking body at 25, and was debt free for 4 years. She then decided she wanted to buy a Pajero and took a 200 jt cash loan from the company to substitute her savings, obviously binding her. This loan bears 1% interest per month, although not a great deal its far away from loanshark / maffia practices.[/QUOTE]The dancer with the Pajero. Her name isn't Cha Cha by any chance is it?

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[QUOTE=Kodja;2309343]The dancer with the Pajero. Her name isn't Cha Cha by any chance is it?[/QUOTE]Don't most of the dancers call themselves Cha Cha at some point? LOL.

These girls often change their working names. I truly believe that every dancer I have taken home has used the name Cha Cha at some point. The last dancer I saw was called Jessica when I first met her. She then changed to Jasmine, then to Cha Cha, then to Putry, then to Alexa, then back to Jessica. The girl who currently lives with me told me her name was Cha Cha when I first met her. But the second time I met her, she told me her real name. For some reason, Cha Cha is a very popular fake name.

I know a dancer named Icha who drives a pajero. She used to call herself Cha Cha.

With election on and various public holidays, are most places going to be open, like Travel, Ckassic, KingX, Emporium?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2309558]Don't most of the dancers call themselves Cha Cha at some point? LOL.

These girls often change their working names. I truly believe that every dancer I have taken home has used the name Cha Cha at some point. The last dancer I saw was called Jessica when I first met her. She then changed to Jasmine, then to Cha Cha, then to Putry, then to Alexa, then back to Jessica. The girl who currently lives with me told me her name was Cha Cha when I first met her. But the second time I met her, she told me her real name. For some reason, Cha Cha is a very popular fake name.

I know a dancer named Icha who drives a pajero. She used to call herself Cha Cha.[/QUOTE]This is Ca Ca.

Was at classic (will put up review soon), asked for VIP room but handler lady said all rooms same type all standard no VIP rooms.

This was Level 5 classic.

Are VIP roomscat level 2?

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2309810]Are VIP roomscat level 2?[/QUOTE]Yes you enter the VIP rooms from Level 2.

[QUOTE=Kodja;2309772]This is Ca Ca.[/QUOTE]I don't know her. Nice tits, but those huge eyes make her look like an alien. Kind of scary. That photo may be photoshopped.

Going to be in Jakarta during Ramadan. What is the scene like. Are Bars, clubs, MP's open during night time or completely shut??

Thanks in advance.

What is the night scene during Ramadan. Are Bars / Clubs / MP's open or completely shut.

TIA.

[QUOTE=Rickym5;2310921]What is the night scene during Ramadan. Are Bars / Clubs / MP's open or completely shut.

TIA.[/QUOTE]Given that Ramadan comes around every year, you could try going back 12 months on the forum and you would see that about 50 people ask the same question every Ramadan. Saves us all a bit of time, preserves quality over quantity here and only takes a tiny bit of effort on your part.

[QUOTE=Rickym5;2310921]What is the night scene during Ramadan. Are Bars / Clubs / MP's open or completely shut.

TIA.[/QUOTE]Do a search of my previous posts and you'll find all you need on this topic, it'll help you learn how to use the search function As Smoothy says, would be good if you did a search and didn't just ask as there are plenty of reports from alot of people on the exact topic. All you need to do is seach for one word!

Gents,

Chatting to a lady I met on Tagged website who tells me she does a service at Hotel Lah.

Is this a place where a workout is available can anybody tell me, as I got the impression that's what she was trying to tell me with her limited English.

Pedro.

[QUOTE=PedrosNeeds;2311354]Gents,

Chatting to a lady I met on Tagged website who tells me she does a service at Hotel Lah.

Is this a place where a workout is available can anybody tell me, as I got the impression that's what she was trying to tell me with her limited English.

Pedro.[/QUOTE]I think that is located between Hotel Kan and Hotel Dong.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2311128]Given that Ramadan comes around every year, you could try going back 12 months on the forum and you would see that about 50 people ask the same question every Ramadan. Saves us all a bit of time, preserves quality over quantity here and only takes a tiny bit of effort on your part.[/QUOTE]Also very important to know that after Idul Fitri that is Wednesday 5 June 2019 this year until Wednesday 19 June all places like hotel classic, travel and yes even 1001 will be closed, all the Kampung girls go to their Kampung for 2 weeks its like Christmas for them.

[QUOTE=PedrosNeeds;2311354]Gents,

Chatting to a lady I met on Tagged website who tells me she does a service at Hotel Lah.

Is this a place where a workout is available can anybody tell me, as I got the impression that's what she was trying to tell me with her limited English.

Pedro.[/QUOTE]I think she means in a hotel and not a specific one. Did she say that in a chat? Singaporeans and Malaysians have a tendency to add "lah" towards the end of sentence to add emphasis, obviousness or not let the sentence ends abruptly, and this habit may just be easily picked up by Indonesians too if they try to speak English, kind of like "dong" or "kan" that you will hear a lot at the end of spoken Indonesian sentences.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2311543]I think that is located between Hotel Kan and Hotel Dong.[/QUOTE]Hotel Kan is the preferred establishment as it indicates a question ie "when are we going to meet at your hotel?" 😁.

I've been a lazy boy – my visit dates to Jakarta were Feb 24 to Mar 4. This was an annual visit timed with the Java Jazz Festival. First night, Sunday, reached hotel Jayakarta after midnight. Quick shower and after a drink headed down to Club 36. Many of the ladies were actually leaving in clusters. Settled at a pod close to the stage which had some dancers. The place seemed dead. The only one making eye contact was a grizzly bouncer – friendly chap. He came up to strike a conversation but I don't speak Bahasa. I'm sure he could have organized something but I decided to call it a night.

Day 2. Shifted to Hotel Harris Vertu for the week. I needed a hotel close enough to the usual action places and also with stable WiFi to catch up on office mails. I have a regular girl in Jakarta whom I'the met some 5 years back thru an app called BeeTalk. She's 24, speaks a little English and works at an opticians. Freelances occasionally to supplement income. So Clara was happy to meet me late afternoon and we showered, shared some desert and she blew my brains out. Ordered some more food for her and I took a nap while she watched TV. Evening we headed to a rooftop bar in Artotel Thamrin. Clara who only had fruit juice when we first met, had some wine and I stuck to JD – man, booze in Jakarta is expensive and henceforth I decided to carry my hip-flask loaded with my duty free (I'the smuggled in an extra bottle). We headed back to my hotel for a session before a hug, kiss and goodbye. My standard payment to her has been 500 K irrespective of time spent or anything else. I know she charges more but sugar daddy here provides her a lot of other things – like she's heading to Bangkok for a holiday with a friend soon and I'm sponsoring 3 nights hotel in Khaosan for the two. Anyway, I told her I have a lot of office work next day and I'the meet her again later in the week. You don't go to Jakarta and get stuck to one girl. However good she is, there's always hope and excitement in explorations.

So Day 3 started around noon with a visit to the Orchardz Hotel spa. Relaxed in the hot pool, took a shower and selected a girl for the room with jacuzzi. Fantastic figure and very friendly local girl. Of course, we had some language issues but this one knew how to please. A great BBJ / DATY and covered action. I have a school friend of mine living in Jakarta and I met him at his office in CBD. We headed to his place for drinks and dinner and he told his missus he'the take me out for a drink. I asked him if we could go to CJs. We entered around 10:30 pm and the place was pretty dead. It did get crowded later and there were a few stunners but the ones that approached me were grandmas. He met a girl he knew but had to go back home. This girl introduced me to a very fair girl with platinum blonde hair who asked to 3 juta – I bought her a drink but declined politely, did not bother to negotiate. We left the place after midnight – he headed home and I took a cab for Classic. Things were pretty much alive there and I met a mamasan who knew me from previous visits. She got me the youngest little thing I've ever bed to bed with. Took a couple of pictures for my collection and future visits – as I was sure to forget her name. Classic has rarely disappointed me.

Day 4 morning I messaged Clara and she spontaneously said she'the be happy to take the day off if I was free. Fantastic! As I love company for lunch. So off to my favourite place in Jakarta – Bandar Djakarta. Back to hotel and the usual. Then I suggested we go shopping as I've always bought her a dress or a pair of jeans on every visit. She's been careful enough to keep things within limits. It was raining and took us almost 2 hours to reach a complex of malls somewhere in West Jakarta. She then acted coy and said she didn't need clothes but asked if I could sponsor her hotel in Bangkok instead. I told her she could have both. I could hear 10 CC in the background play "I'm not in love". I got myself some great threads from Batik Keris. By then my throat was parched but hey, I had my hip flask. After the traffic we'the experienced earlier we decided not to hit town as planned but head back to hotel. She suggested a small place right next to Harris Vertu for dinner. No alcohol served but the most amazing food ever! Back to my room and she pulled out a gift I'the given her some 3 years back, a thumb-sized vibrator! We laughed and made out in the shower.

By Day 5, Thursday, I'the accumulated enough mails and work to keep me busy all day. Evening my buddy from the city drove over and we went to King Cross. Lost our way as Google maps took us all over the place and we landed up I front of Sumo. I know that's next to or close to KC but since neither of us had been there before, decided to check it out. They lined up some 8 or 9 "massage" girls and I took fancy to one young and petite just the way I like it. The deciding factor was the open stare and smile she gave while being lined-up. Her name is Vidi and after another great session including rimming and CIM she shared her number. Wanted to be taken out. So I said fine, let's go but she said I'the have to wait. That's the way I understood it. Anyway, my friend and I left and she's been in touch till I blocked her after reaching home – I have family to be careful of.

Day 6/7/8 Fri to Sun not much of mongering as I was at Java Jazz from 5:00 pm to midnight. Did catch up with Clara on both Saturday and Sunday afternoon for an hour. Went to Classic on Saturday night and Malio on Sunday night – decided to blow all the juta I had left! Great party with a couple of friends from JJF at Malio.

You never have enough days to do everything in Jakarta. I missed experiencing Tanjung Priok – perhaps because I was scared of not getting a taxi back. I'm also on the other side of 60 and take things easy, mix it up with all the things I appreciate. Can't wait till my next visit.

Have 1 day in Jakarta, Kindly guide Spas worth visiting during day / evening near Pullman Central Hotel.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Rickym5;2313010]Have 1 day in Jakarta, Kindly guide Spas worth visiting during day / evening near Pullman Central Hotel.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Spend a day before landing there to RTFF, you might learn something for the 1 day visit and for the future trips.

[QUOTE=KingCrimson69;2312433]I've been a lazy boy my visit dates to Jakarta were Feb 24 to Mar 4. This was an annual visit timed with the Java Jazz Festival. First night, Sunday, reached hotel Jayakarta after midnight. Quick shower and after a drink headed down to Club 36. Many of the ladies were actually leaving in clusters. Settled at a pod close to the stage which had some dancers. The place seemed dead. The only one making eye contact was a grizzly bouncer friendly chap. He came up to strike a conversation but I don't speak Bahasa. I'm sure he could have organized something but I decided to call it a night...[/QUOTE]Excellent report thank you very much.

Date of review: 26th April 2019.

Weather was nice, mood was shitty, wallet was full and dick was hard.

So decided to venture out to Malio (overpriced yet I am attracted to it like a moth to the flame). After an hour long excruciating drive, I land at the hotel. Post the customary greetings (guards, ushers and front desk), collected my wrist-tag and pressed the elevator button to take me to floor 2 (aka heaven). As the elevator stopped at lantai 2 (floor 2) and even before I could step out, a beautiful tall Chinese maiden with big bazookas entered the lift, behind her was probably a 70-year old, white haired, Batik wearing Indonesian man. If that man is reading this forum. Respect Sir. Keep going hard (all puns intended).

Now circling back to my story, entered the dimly lit club and greeted Mami-san. After a few minutes of regular chit-chat she pointed me to a girl that looked super cute and absolutely awesome. From Uzbek. Nelly. Stunningly tall girl, small boobs, lovely erect nips and a super cute face. Oh did I mention. Really tall. I think she is around 178 cms if I am not wrong. The best part about her was the french kiss. Oh so passionate and oh so amazing. Mild put off. Smell of nicotine. I think I was fairly good at my foreplay because while we were in the session, her legs willingly spread as if to invite me to go in BB, in the heat of the moment as I was about to go in. Better senses prevailed and in my panting breath I told her better to use protection. She nodded (a little hesitatingly) So I put the Durex performax (this is not their advertising) on and got on with it. WOT, MOT, Missionary, Doggy. And finally came like I always do. Slow, thunderous and inside her (of course was still wearing my protection).

She is going back on the 28th May. Got her whatsapp number but she requested not to make it public. So I am not sharing it here. And as I am finishing writing this review. Weather is still good, mood is shitty, wallet is still full (well a bit) and dick is beginning to get hard.

Cest la vie brothers. Cest la vie.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2313306]

So decided to venture out to Malio After a few minutes of regular chit-chat she pointed me to a girl that looked super cute and absolutely awesome. From Uzbek. [/QUOTE]What's the price at Malio for imports like her these days?

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2313306]Date of review: 26th April 2019.

Weather was nice, mood was shitty, wallet was full and dick was hard.

So decided to venture out to Malio (overpriced yet I am attracted to it like a moth to the flame). [/QUOTE]Good report. What was the costs associated with your Malio visit?

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2313306]Date of review: 26th April 2019.

Weather was nice, mood was shitty, wallet was full and dick was hard.

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Cest la vie brothers. Cest la vie.[/QUOTE]Si LE portefeuille est toujours plein, see'est la belle vie!

Bravo.

If the wallet is still full, its a beautiful life!

Hi all,

How is the action on the kalibata scene and the apartments I follow the forum for long haven't seen much. I am interested in more MILF action this trip may be getting old.

OS.

[QUOTE=Rickym5;2313010]Have 1 day in Jakarta, Kindly guide Spas worth visiting during day / evening near Pullman Central Hotel.

[/QUOTE]Why limit yourself to the Pullman area? Bluebird taxis and GRAB car are extremely cheap in Jakarta. Read some of the old posts from Smoothy, he has listed well over 100 places you can visit OR just do what most others do, go to Hotel Travel or Hotel Classic.

[QUOTE=KingCrimson69;2312433]That's the way I understood it. Anyway, my friend and I left and she's been in touch till I blocked her after reaching home I have family to be careful of.[/QUOTE]Awesome report! Jakarta always amazes!

On a side note, I wonder if you can help: I always block my contacts as well yet I just realized that in your whatsapp, if you go to privacy, you can see all the blocked contacts! I am now super concerned in case the wifey figures this out (she likes mingling with my phone. I guess she has some doubts).

Will appreciate any tips.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=KingCrimson69;2312433] Anyway, my friend and I left and she's been in touch till I blocked her after reaching home I have family to be careful of.[/QUOTE]Awesome report! Jakarta always amazes!

On a side note, I block my contacts as well and just realized that on Whatsapp, you can go to privacy and all your blocked contacts are listed!! I am now concerned as the wifey has a tendency of checking the phone and I'm doomed if she figures this one out.

Will appreciate any tips.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=AugustChrist;2313722]Awesome report! Jakarta always amazes!

On a side note, I block my contacts as well and just realized that on Whatsapp, you can go to privacy and all your blocked contacts are listed!! I am now concerned as the wifey has a tendency of checking the phone and I'm doomed if she figures this one out.

Will appreciate any tips.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Buy a second phone just for travelling. Have messenger and social accounts registered only to that number. Leave it rattling around in the drawer at work until its needed.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=AugustChrist;2313722]
On a side note, I block my contacts as well and just realized that on Whatsapp, you can go to privacy and all your blocked contacts are listed!! I am now concerned as the wifey has a tendency of checking the phone and I'm doomed if she figures this one out.
Will appreciate any tips.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]When my Samsung phone is set to LONG battery life, it disables all those unnecessary apps like WhatsApp, but phone, email, camera, maps & text are all still active. That's how I keep my wife's prying eyes at bay.

A cheap phone costs less than $100. Is it worth $100 or less to you to keep your activities private? How much would a divorce cost you? Buy a burner phone, use it, and if necessary throw it out. I know so many guys that have been caught by their wives cause they did not do this. Cost them a hell of a lot more than $100 per trip away.

Most apps has a blocking and hiding features such as.

1. WhatsApp. Block under privacy and also archive the message conversation.

2. FB messenger. Mute and hide the conversation. Also, you can add second account on the same messenger and keep all the girls contact there. When needed, just switch the account.

3. Viber. Viber tends to be best as you can password protect conversations and it will not pop-up until you type in the password in search window.

Any girl that I like to intend to visit them in future. I usually ask them to use Viber. Once in a while I would Open the conversation just to keep in touch. Also, viber notifies you if the girl has changed her number.

For iPhone options of keeping a secret folder is limited but for Android, you can even get a hidden folder where you keep all the apps that you don't want anyone to see. Hope these helps. Happy Safe Mongering.

[QUOTE=AugustChrist;2313721]Awesome report! Jakarta always amazes!

On a side note, I wonder if you can help: I always block my contacts as well yet I just realized that in your whatsapp, if you go to privacy, you can see all the blocked contacts! I am now super concerned in case the wifey figures this out (she likes mingling with my phone. I guess she has some doubts).

Will appreciate any tips.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ceegee;2314233]A cheap phone costs less than $100. Is it worth $100 or less to you to keep your activities private? How much would a divorce cost you? Buy a burner phone, use it, and if necessary throw it out. I know so many guys that have been caught by their wives cause they did not do this. Cost them a hell of a lot more than $100 per trip away.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Also girls are real smart. I was with regular girls in Jakarta while having a GF from states. Once I went on a cruise in FL and the girl I was dating found out about me because one of her indo friends was working on that specific boat (What are the frigging odds.) and told her.

Another time I was walking in BKK on a first date and some girl comes up to me (didn't even remember her) and screamed my name and said: hey remember me from Angeles city. This was a gogo girl who even was with a guy walking around on Sukhumvit. I denied knowing her and told my date I had no clue who she was and got away with it in the end but jeez.

Another time I I was visiting a theme park and told a girl I hanged out with a few times in Jakarta and turned out she was checking the hashtag from that park and my then GF posted a pic of us and through that hashtag she found that pic. Hahaha. I have been really naive sometimes in the past making these mistakes. Also found one girl taking pics of my passport when I left it in the room. Obv. Kicked her out straight away and now lock most things in the safe.

You really need to be careful if you want to hide things these days with social media's etc. If they add your normal number in their phone your insta account and other social media's might also show up to them if you have them linked to the same number. Aka: get a separate phone with a separate number.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2313424]What's the price at Malio for imports like her these days?[/QUOTE]My setback was around IDR 2.5 mio (approx). But there are different rates. Chinese are 2.2,m Viets are 2. Thai are also 2 I think. Locals are cheap (and horrible).

Whatsapp is the most popular these days, but the security options are sub-par. I use Viber now, it has a secret chat function that allows messages to automatically disappear. It can be password protected for certain contacts. That doesn't stop someone from calling you however. I do register that number to an overseas SIM card so that anyone who connects with me doesn't have my home number.

[QUOTE=AugustChrist;2313722]Awesome report! Jakarta always amazes!

On a side note, I block my contacts as well and just realized that on Whatsapp, you can go to privacy and all your blocked contacts are listed!! I am now concerned as the wifey has a tendency of checking the phone and I'm doomed if she figures this one out.

Will appreciate any tips.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

I'm back to Jakarta after many years of absence and tried to visit Delta spa today but was closed due to Ramadan. Same with Fortune hotel and spa. Is anything open and available during this period?

[QUOTE=Lifeingr;2317132]I'm back to Jakarta after many years of absence and tried to visit Delta spa today but was closed due to Ramadan. Same with Fortune hotel and spa. Is anything open and available during this period?[/QUOTE]I was there last year. Big mistake. CJs and Bats were open but sparse. I only had luck with a few regulars I knew and a couple I met on Tinder, but even that was relatively dead as well. A friend (and Jakarta expert) has well intentionally opined that I'd clean up on Tinder as there would be few guys in Jakarta and girls would be desperate. Not my experience.

I was there even a week after Ramadan was over after Eid for a few days and it was still dead, though I'm not a brothel guy so I didn't visit them....

Try blocking the contact on your phone! That should stop your viber hidden contact from calling you. You will still get the call if viber app is open and will show you missed call on chat history.

My most favorite is messenger now as you can have second or third profile set and switch between within a sec.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2317131] I use Viber now, it has a secret chat function that allows messages to automatically disappear. It can be password protected for certain contacts. That doesn't stop someone from calling you however. I do register that number to an overseas SIM card so that anyone who connects with me doesn't have my home number.[/QUOTE]

Malio closed tonight on the first night of Ramadan (Sunday), but guard says they will be open as usual on Tuesday.

[QUOTE=Lifeingr;2317132]I'm back to Jakarta after many years of absence and tried to visit Delta spa today but was closed due to Ramadan. Same with Fortune hotel and spa. Is anything open and available during this period?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2313306]Date of review: 26th April 2019.
From Uzbek. Nelly. Stunningly tall girl, small boobs, lovely erect nips and a super cute face. Oh did I mention. Really tall. I think she is around 178 cms if I am not wrong.

Cest la vie brothers. Cest la vie.[/QUOTE]Entertaining post like always. Was wondering were the girls topless?

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2317404]Entertaining post like always. Was wondering were the girls topless?[/QUOTE]No girls were topless. They were bored for sure. But not topless.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2317404]Entertaining post like always. Was wondering were the girls topless?[/QUOTE]Girls werent topless. They were bored. But not topless.

I know the festive month of Ramadan is under way, so anyone reading the pun in the subject line please do note its unintentional. Or is it?

Anyway, this is a report of SAGI hotel & Spa (named after one of the sun-signs). Went there yesterday, at around 3 pm. I find it to be a sweet spot as there isn't a lot of traffic (on the road, as well as in the hotel). And the thirsts are still unquenched (ours as well as the girls). Its like being the first customer in a hotel room, things are clean, shiny and sparkling. But as the day progresses, room get messy, sheets get crumpled. You get the drift.

But We digress. So coming back on track, met this young cewek. Name is Caca. She is one of the 'super-agents' (another fancy name for their freelancers). Gosh, oh gosh. Slim, gorgeous, not big chested but firm and handful, amazingly firm butts (a rarity in Jakarta), beautiful smile and succulent lips. As I write, can still taste and feel them.

What I have realized, especially with the FLs is that the act needs to be a narrative. Or a theatre. If you will. So I typically would play a nice song on my phone, chit-chat a bit, and just slowly start caressing and fondling (hair) as we speak. Wait for the perfect moment. Before landing the kiss on the lips (no tongue so far). And then the river takes its own course! I will not bore you with the details, but I had an absolutely fantastic session with her.

She was wet, she was horny and she dug her nails in my back, ouch!

So brothers (and sisters, I don't judge) go have her. She is not a meal, but is a delicate dessert.

Cheers,

BL.

Guys,

The thoughts of a 60 something monger, housebound in Melbourne post-knee replacement, drift back to Jakarta.

The scene is the Cemara Hotel in Menteng, strolling home from a Menteng watering hole late in the evening. The carpark security would often offer up a ruby-lipped working girl who, for a nominal sum would cock gobble you as you stood between two cars, with the security guy on lookout or more likely, looking on. One time paid the girl to suck off the guard and he was forever grateful, sending girls my way over a memorable week's stay. Girls of every shape, size, type and age. They shared one certainty, Jakarta sluts down to their toe-nails, and often a tad foul-mouthed to boot. Oh, doesn't that type excite a hard-on from us all?

Just round the corner is The Treva Hotel, the Tits and Trivial, as we called it. At night you could dial up a girl from their posse of masseuses, and for a (cheap by Oz standards) fee the chubby darling would ride you cowgirl around the 13th floor rooftop pool. After you had unloaded, she would nonchalantly toss the condom off the roof, to land who knows where, and wash out her fanny by the pool edge. Can't say I ever went for a swim there.  With a bit of bargaining, 30 minutes later she would send up her spinner mate, and there followed a good doggie with lady gripping the glass edged fence railing and yours truly ploughing her bouncy brown buttocks as we both looked 13 floors down to the slums below. Over a couple of years the boys gave those masseuses a huge workout and poured loads of cum and cash into their hot slots.

Truly, Jkta is an amazing place, where, if you are working and get to know the local scene and lingo just a little, you will have fanny thrown in your face on a daily basis. Soon as the knee is right, I am hopping a Garuda from Tullamarine to Bali, and when I have finished with the hostie, aim to fuck myself through Java, from Bali to Banten and back again. See you there.

Hi,

I've been to Jakarta for the 1st time for 6 days, just before Ramadan started. Came from Pattaya as a visa run and to check out the Indonesian capital.

Stayed at Citi M Hotel, in Central Jakarta, 5 minutes walking distance from Mona's monument, 15 mins to Hotel Classic. Can recommend this hotel for a budget stay (paid 400 k / night, good breakfast, fast internet, located in the quiet street).

Went to brothels only, spent around 650 $ for girls (13 in total), drinks, food and taxi.

First night went to Classic 5th floor, many girls to choose from. Asked mamasan for young, slim girl with no baby (the best way as for me, someone here wrote that mamas are too pushy, which is true, and you better order beer and spend time to search girl yourself. But the problem is girls don't give a fuck about you while seat on couches: no eye contant, no smiles, just sit in their phones / you can't see figure also when they sit. So better call mamas.) Got 18 years old nice girl, looked really young, 365 k, went to good clean room and had regular sex with nothing extraordinary. In the end she asked for selfie with me, LOL, usually it's the other way around. I ask for photos. Tipped her 100 k (question: Is it expected to tip 100 k every time no matter the service in places like that or only if the service was good? Once I didn't tip at all because girl was bad, 2 times gave 50 k for also not very good service.).

After we returned to the main hall I suggested to sit together and drink few beers but girl refused. Like most of the others, seems they aim for short times only. But I saw locals drinks with them for long time. What's wrong?

Next day I went to Travel, had 3 girls there /370 k each + tips, also many young girls there but again only short time and run to search another customer. One girl said she gets only 100 k from what I pay to mama. Is that true? Wtf they are so willing to get back in line? Stay with me for 30 minutes, drink some beer and I will give you same 100 k tip.

Then next day I decided to go to Starmoon by foot. Only 3. 5-4 km, so no big deal I thought. After 500 m pedestrian walkway dissapeared and you basically walk on the side of road, then after few turns the big road finished and I was walking in narrow road in some kind of slums, got dark and I already regret about my choice, mobile internet also disappeared so I couldn't grab a taxi. Then I remember as someone here said this is the real Jakarta, away from the main streets. Fortunately I didn't get robbed and actualy people were friendly there. Waving hands, smiling, saying Hello,. Also local cats are gangster, they slowly walked in the middle of that narrow road not giving a fuck about motorbikes. In Indonesian Jakarta motorbikes are afraid to get run over by a cat.

I came to Starmoon around 7 pm it was Thursday, the place was almost emty. As I walked in mama told me the price was 370 k, I hoped for lower, but anyway checked fishbowl with girls, picked young one, ask about babies. The answer was no, so we went to pay at cashier. I gave them 400 k and recieved change 80 k, so the actual price is 320 and mama tried to fool me. Rooms here worse than in classic or travel but still ok "soi 6 style". Girl was lazy, didn't want to go on top, BJ was weak and short, and she was complaining all the time about my big size (which is not big) and how she "sick". I managed to cum eventually and at first didn't want to give her tip but as they gave me lower price than I was told first, girl recieved 50 k and was pretty happy about it.

After that I visited next door bar New Sariayu. It was empty too. I order a beer and looked around. About 20 girls were seating on the long tables facing each other. None of them showed any sign of interest in me, looked in phones or talked to each other. I asked mama to find me a young slim girl, after few minutes she brough one girl, which I didn't like and then next 18 yo tall busty girl with great ass, who was the most beautiful in this trip. Paid 380 k (again maybe overpriced tourist price). Room was nicer than in starmoon. Great performance in bed.

The next day I wanted to repeat her and came about 9-10 pm to the bar and it was Friday. Sooo the place was jam-packed with local customers, no free space to sit and literally every one except waitresses was smoking and it was like fog no ventilation at all. My eyes started crying and head aching. I couldn't find my dream girl and called taxi to Classic.

I liked 2nd floor Classic more. Seemed to have more girls, more tables. One accident happened there though. Same as always I asked for a girl with no babies, mama brought me one she had nice face, 22, was smiling, so we went to the room where I found out that she has a baby, her belly was soft and saggy tits. Fuck. It's hard to tell when you see them with tight clothes covering the belly, push-up bras and lying mamasan. I quickly got back to change the girl, the time on room was ticking, luckily mama found a good change, nice 19 yo with good ass. Liked the session with that girl so in the end I was not angry with all the situation.

" In general Jakarta's girls have better body than Thais, more curvy; almost no tattoos; whiter skin; more girls in one place; cheaper than soi 6.

First 2 days I was under good impression. Even wanted to spend 2-3 month here next winter. But then cooled down and now think it is better for short visits 5-6 days.

" Terrible road traffic, one time at 3 pm I spent 20 mins in taxi to simply pass one intersection, traffic lights were working fine but people don't care about rules there. Girls almost don't speak English, at least young ones. City is not suitable for walking, and I like to walk. I saw once in the main road they have zebra, crosswalk sign, traffic light and still it was not safe enough for pedestrians so they have to put policeman to regulate it. 70% BJ are covered in brothels. The use Listerine to do weird shit like after the shower girl pour Listerine on tissue and wipe your nipples, belly, balls, dick. One time saw girl wash her pussy with Listerine after sex, wft! The attitude, Thai girls are head above in this aspect.

DimKO, thanks so much for the review. Thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Thanks also for your information on the Almaty thread.

I thought the girls made 1/3 of the money, split evenly between bar, mamasan / pimp, and girl. I guess that varies from bar to bar. Is a tip necessary, absolutely not. However, unless the girl is horrible I always give a tip only because I feel bad they make so little. If they are good and allow photos I would max out my tip at 200 k.

Unlike Thailand, girls do not make money for ordering lady drinks. I think this is a positive. Girls will sit with you for a while before you room but unless you are a regular more than likely she isn't going to sit with you long after a session. I always assumed girls who sit with those Indo guys all night long are because the guys are paying the girls and mamasan.

I've never seen New Sari Ayu with only 20 girls. Place is usually packed with girls. Abnormal to see Starmoon with few girls as well. Looks like Starmoon service standards has gone down the shitter. My friends and I have had terrible sessions there of late. I find the girls at Grand LA and Royal to be more service oriented than the other bars in Kota Indah.

Re. Walking Classic, Travel, Starmoon are in the slums of Jakarta. If you want to walk go walk in the Neo Soho area, up in Ancol, or even around Grand Indonesia Mall.

One thing I am not sure you figured out in the bars like Classic / Travel is that if you use a mamasan to get girls for you she will ONLY bring you HER girls. She does not make money if you go with another mamasan's girl. Best to walk around and if you see a girl you like to ask her grab her mamasan.

Question for the experienced Classic guys. What is the best time to go to the 5th floor of Classic? Whenever I go up there it is seemingly dead.

[QUOTE=DimKO;2320089]The use Listerine to do weird shit like after the shower girl pour Listerine on tissue and wipe your nipples, belly, balls, dick. One time saw girl wash her pussy with Listerine after sex, wft! [/QUOTE]Great report. Thanks a lot.

Before Listerine became a world famous brand for mouth wash, its original use was for the treatment of gonorrhea.

[URL]https://www.jwatch.org/na43217/2017/01/10/listerine-gonorrhea[/URL]

[QUOTE=DimKO;2320089]Then next day I decided to go to Starmoon by foot. Only 3. 5-4 km, so no big deal I thought. [/QUOTE]A 4 km walk in that area of town is a nightmare. You are basically walking in filth the entire time. A taxi would have cost close to nothing. Even if you enjoy walking, that's not the area to do it.

[QUOTE=DimKO;2320089]As I walked in mama told me the price was 370 k, I hoped for lower, but anyway checked fishbowl with girls, picked young one, ask about babies. The answer was no, so we went to pay at cashier. I gave them 400 k and recieved change 80 k, so the actual price is 320 and mama tried to fool me. [/QUOTE]What possible benefit would the mamasan get from "trying to fool you" then walking you over to the cashier? You have to walk to the cashier with her to pay at that place and they NEVER rip anyone off as far as I know. Starmoon is more desperate for business than the other places in that area so they give a discount prior to 8 pm. So the price there depends on whether you take a girl before 8 pm or not. You likely took the girl just before 8 pm and got the discount. Maybe the mamasan was playing it safe and quoting the normal rate without discount in case you waited until after 8pm to take a girl, but no matter what, you are going to get the fair rate in the end. Also, they have girls they call "free lance" and those girls are 50 k more than the normal girls. The free lance girls have numbers like FL9 instead of just 9 on the button they wear with their number. Maybe she gave you a free lance price but you then took a lower priced non free lance girl, who knows. Suffice it to say, the mamasan was not trying to fool you at that place. I don't particularly like that place because the rooms suck and I don't think it has many nice girls, but I have never heard of them trying to fool anyone or rip anyone off.

[QUOTE=DimKO;2320089]After that I visited next door bar New Sariayu. Paid 380 k (again maybe overpriced tourist price).

The next day I wanted to repeat her and came about 9-10 pm to the bar and it was Friday. Sooo the place was jam-packed with local customers, no free space to sit and literally every one except waitresses was smoking and it was like fog no ventilation at all. My eyes started crying and head aching. I couldn't find my dream girl and called taxi to Classic.[/QUOTE]That was not the overpriced tourist price. 380 k is the price there for locals and for anyone else. I agree that every bar in that area is a smoke infested misery hole on busy nights. I would only ever even consider going to that area in the daytime before the locals arrive and ruin the ambience with their smoking.

I do see how you could think those places are trying to rip you off when they are charging the same price as a much nicer place like Hotel Classic charges. You would think they would charge half the price of Hotel Classic given the difference in quality of the surroundings and rooms, but nope.

In my 20 years or so in Jakarta, I can't think of one time ever when any brothel anywhere in town tried charging me more than a local would pay. Then again, when I do go to places like that, I normally go there with local Indonesian guys. But even when I go alone, I've never had any of those places charge me more than the normal rate. Taxis are also honest for the most part. More so than any other country I have visited.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2318326]I know the festive month of Ramadan is under way, so anyone reading the pun in the subject line please do note its unintentional. Or is it?

Anyway, this is a report of SAGI hotel & Spa (named after one of the sun-signs). Went there yesterday, at around 3 pm. I find it to be a sweet spot as there isn't a lot of traffic (on the road, as well as in the hotel). And the thirsts are still unquenched (ours as well as the girls). Its like being the first customer in a hotel room, things are clean, shiny and sparkling. But as the day progresses, room get messy, sheets get crumpled. You get the drift.

But We digress. So coming back on track, met this young cewek. Name is Caca. She is one of the 'super-agents' (another fancy name for their freelancers). Gosh, oh gosh. Slim, gorgeous, not big chested but firm and handful, amazingly firm butts (a rarity in Jakarta), beautiful smile and succulent lips. As I write, can still taste and feel them..[/QUOTE]Any chance you can share the digits / contact by PM?

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2311636]Also very important to know that after Idul Fitri that is Wednesday 5 June 2019 this year until Wednesday 19 June all places like hotel classic, travel and yes even 1001 will be closed, all the Kampung girls go to their Kampung for 2 weeks its like Christmas for them.[/QUOTE]Can someone confirm this. I have a layover here. Was planning to stay for 3 days. Now I might go straight to my destination.

Was in Jakarta last month and head to illegal now called 108.

Price for a girl plus entry is 920,000 non VIP or 1,250,000 for VIP.

Then its 814,751 per non VIP girl or 1,144,751 for VIP.

Pretty pricey but they still have the theme rooms of gym, hospital bed, and office if you keen plus nice pool to use.

You can also stay there for 600,000 a night and can take a girl for the day but costs minimum of 5 hours (above rates x 5).

Girls looked ok but nothing fancier than say classic. But there is one young girl not bad speaks good english by name Astin.

They also have section for massage but can't choose girl. Price is 350,000 and then you need to negotiate with your girl for sex in the final 30 minutes of your 90 minute session. I had good massage girl, strong fingers great massage, think her number was 122.

However negotiate for price was annoying, she wanted 800,000 but what the point if have to pay 350,000 on top for massage, might as well gone for 920,000 girl.

However got her down to 700,000 and considering you have to tip 920,000 girl guess it all breaks even. Was good massage and good sex.

Wouldn't go back though, or maybe just once to smash up Astin one more time as she s little hottie, place is too pricey, Malio better option. Per my next review coming.

[QUOTE=DimKO;2320089]Hi,

I've been to Jakarta for the 1st time for 6 days, just before Ramadan started. Came from Pattaya as a visa run and to check out the Indonesian capital.

Stayed at Citi M Hotel, in Central Jakarta, 5 minutes walking distance from Mona's monument, 15 mins to Hotel Classic. Can recommend this hotel for a budget stay (paid 400 k / night, good breakfast, fast internet, located in the quiet street).

Went to brothels only, spent around 650 $ for girls (13 in total), drinks, food and taxi.

First night went to Classic 5th floor, many girls to choose from. Asked mamasan for young, slim girl with no baby (the best way as for me, someone here wrote that mamas are too pushy, which is true, and you better order beer and spend time to search girl yourself. But the problem is girls don't give a fuck about you while seat on couches: no eye contant, no smiles, just sit in their phones / you can't see figure also when they sit. So better call mamas.) Got 18 years old nice girl, looked really young, 365 k, went to good clean room and had regular sex with nothing extraordinary. In the end she asked for selfie with me, LOL, usually it's the other way around. I ask for photos. Tipped her 100 k (question: Is it expected to tip 100 k every time no matter the service in places like that or only if the service was good? Once I didn't tip at all because girl was bad, 2 times gave 50 k for also not very good service.)..[/QUOTE]The word sick and hurt are same. Great report on Kota Indah, I love those bars. All are closed during Ramadan. From may 6 to June 5. Gate in front at the main Street is pulled shut, all lights are out.

Between Kota Indah and Hotel travel is only 30 k to 40 k. I don't bother walking.

Travel Hotel closed at 1 AM.

All KTV and discotechs are closed for Ramadan.

I ended up being offered by hotel bell boy to call a massage service for me, wink wink. All inclusive for 600 k ST, 1. 5 M for LT. Two girls show up and I pick the younger and prettier one. ST and it was excellent.

Stayed at some hotel off Jl. Tengseng about five minute walk to Kota indah. 380 k total.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2323599]Stayed at some hotel off Jl. Tengseng about five minute walk to Kota indah.

Kota Indah, I love those bars. All are closed during Ramadan. From may 6 to June 5. Gate in front at the main Street is pulled shut, all lights are out.[/QUOTE]Considering it's been posted on this site basically every year for about the last 20 years or so stating that Kota Indah is one of the few brothel areas that is completely and utterly closed during Ramadan, that's an odd choice for a hotel location during Ramadan. They won't pay the bribes to stay open. I think that's why they are raided so often during non-Ramadan times of the year as well.

Malioboro, Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel are open though.

I'm thinking of trying an short Trip to Jakarta.

But I'm interested in the online Freelancer Scene only.

I find here info only about hotel Classic and so on.

Can anybody tell me the average Prices for ST / LT for online FL?

Is bareback available with FL?

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2322767]Was in Jakarta last month and head to illegal now called 108.

Price for a girl plus entry is 920,000 non VIP or 1,250,000 for VIP.

Then its 814,751 per non VIP girl or 1,144,751 for VIP.

Pretty pricey but they still have the theme rooms of gym, hospital bed, and office if you keen plus nice pool to use.

You can also stay there for 600,000 a night and can take a girl for the day but costs minimum of 5 hours (above rates x 5).

Girls looked ok but nothing fancier than say classic. But there is one young girl not bad speaks good english by name Astin.

They also have section for massage but can't choose girl. Price is 350,000 and then you need to negotiate with your girl for sex in the final 30 minutes of your 90 minute session. I had good massage girl, strong fingers great massage, think her number was 122..[/QUOTE]To Vrsabien.

It been a few yr since I been there they have some Thai and E European girl last time I was there price start at 1.5 mil and up some are very hot model, the massage girl are just average looking I agree massage is very good.

Fast Eddie 48.

Visited Orchard in Jl. Industri a week ago. Haven't been back there for well a year, but glad to see most things were the same. Maybe a bit less clients, but maybe it was because of Ramadan.

One thing was changed and that is that they don't have the different spa packages (butterfly, hot&cold), or at least they don't offer them. I got offered massage or "full massage", and went.

For the latter of-course. Wasn't disappointed, as it included full service. The girl I got was the best I've had at Orchard. Very friendly, funny and insisted of giving a rim job. Was really.

Active during intercourse too. I think I paid 750 K for the massage, excluded a tip. All in all great!

Bernard.

Online scene is limited. & Very hit and miss. Most have fake profiles. Maybe try massagerepublic com, I heard at least few of those profiles are real.

Bernard.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2324230]I'm thinking of trying an short Trip to Jakarta.

But I'm interested in the online Freelancer Scene only.

I find here info only about hotel Classic and so on.

Can anybody tell me the average Prices for ST / LT for online FL?

Is bareback available with FL?[/QUOTE]

Where to find freelancers in Jakarta, where there are girls willing to go LT? I'm keen to find some new spots to go hunting, anyone have some recommendations, except the places mentioned below:

CJs in hotel Mulia (good).

Bats in Shangrila (very good).

Tavern in Aryaduta (not good / few girls).

Bar in LE Meredien (used to be good, no girls these days?

Colosseum club (not so good, girls with bad attitude).

Loewy bar (good vibe, but too few girls).

Basque bar (good, but few girls).

DsPlace (OK, but old girls).

Mybar (OK, but old girls).

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2324272]To Vrsabien.

It been a few yr since I been there they have some Thai and E European girl last time I was there price start at 1.5 mil and up some are very hot model, the massage girl are just average looking I agree massage is very good.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Def no Thai or east eu now.

Hardly any spoke English except for Astin.

[QUOTE=BernardIndo;2324588]Where to find freelancers in Jakarta, where there are girls willing to go LT? I'm keen to find some new spots to go hunting, anyone have some recommendations, except the places mentioned below:

CJs in hotel Mulia (good).

Bats in Shangrila (very good).

Tavern in Aryaduta (not good / few girls).

Bar in LE Meredien (used to be good, no girls these days?

Colosseum club (not so good, girls with bad attitude).

Loewy bar (good vibe, but too few girls).

Basque bar (good, but few girls).

DsPlace (OK, but old girls).

Mybar (OK, but old girls).[/QUOTE]I know some people like to bad mouth the place on this forum (mainly people who have only been there one time), but Eastern Promise in Kemang was great last Friday night. It's only an option on Friday or Saturday nights and it's hit or miss, but there can be some free lance gems there.

[QUOTE=BernardIndo;2324588]Where to find freelancers in Jakarta, where there are girls willing to go LT? I'm keen to find some new spots to go hunting, anyone have some recommendations, except the places mentioned below:

CJs in hotel Mulia (good).

Bats in Shangrila (very good).

Tavern in Aryaduta (not good / few girls).

Bar in LE Meredien (used to be good, no girls these days?

Colosseum club (not so good, girls with bad attitude).

Loewy bar (good vibe, but too few girls).

Basque bar (good, but few girls).

DsPlace (OK, but old girls).

Mybar (OK, but old girls).[/QUOTE]Bar in LE Meridien is Tiga Puluh. So many more places. Jenja, Dragonfly, X2. Countless other places to pick up girls. That is the beauty of Jakarta, the girls are so open-minded.

I am wondering why you dock Colosseum? That is a great place.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2325450]Bar in LE Meridien is Tiga Puluh. So many more places. Jenja, Dragonfly, X2. Countless other places to pick up girls. That is the beauty of Jakarta, the girls are so open-minded.

I am wondering why you dock Colosseum? That is a great place.[/QUOTE]It may be quite difficult to spot freelancers in Colosseum, as most girls may just be regular civilians or party goers. One thing you can do if you need help, you can típ the security guard inside the club (you will know who they are since they are the ones eyeing you to make sure there are no troubles, LOL) and ask him to point or introduce these FLs to you.

That way you know it's a sure thing and not end up offending the wrong person.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2325512]It may be quite difficult to spot freelancers in Colosseum, as most girls may just be regular civilians or party goers. One thing you can do if you need help, you can tp the security guard inside the club (you will know who they are since they are the ones eyeing you to make sure there are no troubles, LOL) and ask him to point or introduce these FLs to you.

That way you know it's a sure thing and not end up offending the wrong person.[/QUOTE]But that is EXACTLY my point. Even the regular civilians and party goes are fair game. Unless a girl is distinctly part of a group (comprising of men and women), I would not hold back from approaching. And there are plenty of girls-only groups partying at these places on most nights. You will be surprised with the results.

Thank you. Forgot to mention EP, however not my favorite place too look for girls. Half my business partners go there in the weekends.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2325345]I know some people like to bad mouth the place on this forum (mainly people who have only been there one time), but Eastern Promise in Kemang was great last Friday night. It's only an option on Friday or Saturday nights and it's hit or miss, but there can be some free lance gems there.[/QUOTE]

I find that the girls in the North, in places like Colloseum, club illegals and Milles, are mostly there with guys or are there to get high. Crown is maybe my favorite in that area in Jakarta, but don't go there often either. Its been a while since I have been to Colloseum, maybe I will visit to see if my impression still are valid.

Miss D old Top Gun, in its heyday! Wish there were more places like it today, and like Mybar, where you come in and know you could bring anyone back for the night!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2325450]Bar in LE Meridien is Tiga Puluh. So many more places. Jenja, Dragonfly, X2. Countless other places to pick up girls. That is the beauty of Jakarta, the girls are so open-minded.

I am wondering why you dock Colosseum? That is a great place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BernardIndo;2325603]Miss D old Top Gun, in its heyday! Wish there were more places like it today, and like Mybar, where you come in and know you could bring anyone back for the night![/QUOTE]I was never a fan of My Bar. Not even in it's heyday. But I do miss Top Gun, Lintas Melawai, Oscars, and Sportsmans. The sad thing is that Top Gun was still a good option even just before it closed down, but it had very few customers there near the end. Makes me question guy's tastes when they were preferring places like Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel, Kota Indah, Malioboro and other such places over Top Gun when it was still open. I can see going to those places up north on rare occasions, but Top Gun was a place I would go almost every night and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2325345]I know some people like to bad mouth the place on this forum (mainly people who have only been there one time), but Eastern Promise in Kemang was great last Friday night. It's only an option on Friday or Saturday nights and it's hit or miss, but there can be some free lance gems there.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Jakarta I went to EP a couple of times. I quite like the place because it's well run.

The front bar is mostly a regular bar where you can get sloshed as much as you like. The beer garden in the back gets quite busy with FL's in the weekend and it's easy to pick one up. Shortly after Top Gun went bust many of the girls moved to EP; I saw quite a few familiar faces. During the week the beer garden is usually closed. During championships the beer garden and sports bar are communicating vessels; girls move back and fro, on the prowl.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2325706]I was never a fan of My Bar. Not even in it's heyday. But I do miss Top Gun, Lintas Melawai, Oscars, and Sportsmans. The sad thing is that Top Gun was still a good option even just before it closed down, but it had very few customers there near the end. Makes me question guy's tastes when they were preferring places like Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel, Kota Indah, Malioboro and other such places over Top Gun when it was still open. I can see going to those places up north on rare occasions, but Top Gun was a place I would go almost every night and enjoy.[/QUOTE]While the individual bars were good, it was the vibe of the whole area that attracted me. If you didn't like where you were, you could just finish your beer and walk next door or across the road and see if that held anything you liked. It was easy to spend the whole night bar hopping and catching up with male and female acquaintances. The close proximity of everything was a huge plus esp with Jakarta's traffic.

Cheers. G.

P.S. You missed out the relaxed sophistication of the Bali Hai. 😉.

How do dark skinned Indian men from the US fair in Jakarta? Will they get rejected by some girls at places like Classic, Travel, Kota Indah, Malio, CJs, BATS?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2326042]How do dark skinned Indian men from the US fair in Jakarta? Will they get rejected by some girls at places like Classic, Travel, Kota Indah, Malio, CJs, BATS?[/QUOTE]Possibly in places like CJs & BATS and other clubs where FLs ply their trade. Less likely in places like Classic, Travel, Kota Indah, etc. Where the girls are largely modern era sex slaves. Malio might be a hit and miss.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2325751]You missed out the relaxed sophistication of the Bali Hai. 😉.[/QUOTE]Yes, the club. Unless you were looking for a blowjob with your beer, it was never safe to sit at the side of the bar next to the wall. Haha. I didn't go there often simply because the other bars had better looking girls at the time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2326042]How do dark skinned Indian men from the US fair in Jakarta? Will they get rejected by some girls at places like Classic, Travel, Kota Indah, Malio, CJs, BATS?[/QUOTE]Dark skinned Indian men don't even fare well in India relative to the light skinned men. Even there they prefer light skin. Watch Indian TV or the Bollywood movies, they all have light skin. Doesn't mean they can't get laid in a ***** house though.

Soon I will be returning to Jakarta, three years after my last visit. From this board I hear there are some changes. When did Top Gun close down, are the other bars at Blok M open still? What are the alternatives to Top Gun now? I mean sort of similar setup. I hear about Eastern Promise, but where is it?

Yes, I know there are the other options in West and Central, like hotel bars, hotel Classic and so on. I plan to go there again as well.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2326441] I hear about Eastern Promise, but where is it?
[/QUOTE]There is something called Google Maps. If you haven't tried it you should. Then you can see the BIG picture location of all your stops.

I stopped in there a year ago. Had a nice romp with Melinda.

SEA Traveler.

So I was in Jakarta for a couple of days decided to go to malio one evening. I was expecting it to be a bit dry but it turned out to be the one of the best times I have had at malio.

Firstly the prices have increased since the last time I was there, in the lounge for a local it was 600 k + 200 k minimum tip, across the hall dancers were asking 1.5 m IDR for one hour /1 shot, the dancers in the club 3.3 m IDR for the same.

Got to the hotel around 10 pm, was ushered to the back entrance where the club is. Once done with the formalities sat myself down at one of the tables. The dancers were bored and not as beautiful as I had seen before but I didn't care as I was soon surrounded by 5-6 attractive girls. I guess 2 of them were playing the long game as they got really friendly (if you know what I mean) without asking for drinks. One of them was really petite just what I was interested in. Did spend some time there before moving upstairs to check out the talent. But couldn't get the petite lady out of my head so went back to the club and found her. Soon we were on the floor above with the price of just 5 lady drinks (65 k IDR each) and this is where the fun started. Was having a great time with her boobs in my face and her gyrating on me until I got interrupted by other girls looking for a lady drink. One of them shoved my hand down her shirt forcing me to grope her which I thought was worth one drink anyway. Bought them each a lady drink so I could get back to my petite lady faster. Ended up getting the number of my girl and agreed to meet her at my hotel. Total expenditure at malio was about $100 for a great time. Can't wait to be back in Jakarta.

Looks like the shit has hit the fan down there politically, with protesters angry about the results of the last elections and political violence in the streets leaving at least 8 people dead.

I am booked for 3 weeks in Jakarta in July.

Calling out to the old Indonesian hands: Should I be worried? How likely is this to impacts the p4 p scene? Am I walking into a "Year of Living Dangerously" situation? LOL.

Hi gents,

I've read pages, 35 and counting, of this thread and would like to gather some more info, if anyone is kind enough to provide. Thanks in advance.

It seems Hotel Classic is the go to for cheap P4P I'll make this a stop or multiple stops based on luck.

1. Is the entrance to the P4P scene in the the back left of the hotel (not the main entrance to hotel)?

2. How dim is the light setting, viewing youtube, I can barely see anything outside of the WG's lounging sofas? In a couple of videos, are the girls sectioned off by premium (most sit in front of the bar, but there's an area to the immediate left of the entrance where some girls will sit).

3. I can't recall the page #, there's a 40,000 IDR minimum to enter a floor. If I don't locate someone on floor 2, I want to leave for floor 5, and I don't buy 40,000 worth of drinks. Do I pay the different upon leaving? And does moving from floor to floor incur new minimum?

4. Say you complete your first session, you go back to a floor, how long can you stay there without grabbing another WG or drink?

5. Is there only 2 floors to Classic, I see 2nd and 5th, but not 3rd or 4th, or Nth other floors.

Hotel Travel is permanently closed? This is what Google is saying when I search for it, but other reports states they went to Travel. Granted some of the reviews are back in March 2019.

Where is Hotel Kota Indah located? I searched but I don't believe I'm searching correctly, my Google-fu isn't good on this one.

I'm not sure if I'll hit the bar scene. CJ and Bats. As I'm looking to stay up North. Are Jakarta taxi drivers horrendous with night charges. I know Bangkok taxi drivers are.

"John Traveller: Soon I will be returning to Jakarta, three years after my last visit. From this board I hear there are some changes. When did Top Gun close down, are the other bars at Blok M open still? What are the alternatives to Top Gun now? I mean sort of similar setup. I hear about Eastern Promise, but where is it?

Top Gun closed about Nov. 2017. MyBar and the'Place still operating in about Oct. 2018, and no reports of closure since. A couple of other Block M bars also still operating, but with little of interest. EP is in Kemang, about 2 km from Block M. Apparently best at weekends.

Good luck, and locking forward to some reports.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2326690]Looks like the shit has hit the fan down there politically, with protesters angry about the results of the last elections and political violence in the streets leaving at least 8 people dead.

I am booked for 3 weeks in Jakarta in July.

Calling out to the old Indonesian hands: Should I be worried? How likely is this to impacts the p4 p scene? Am I walking into a "Year of Living Dangerously" situation? LOL.[/QUOTE]The political situation currently has nothing to do with the hobby we all enjoy. As we speak the month of Ramadan is still in play so things will be a bit quiet but July should be fine.

On the other hand one should be glad that the incumbent has been reelected. His challenger was a more hard-line sort of guy and thst could have impacted the mongering scene.

In the long run I believe Indonesia will get more and more radicalised and our hobby will meet its maker there.

You are wrong you don't know India.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2326126]Dark skinned Indian men don't even fare well in India relative to the light skinned men. Even there they prefer light skin. Watch Indian TV or the Bollywood movies, they all have light skin. Doesn't mean they can't get laid in a ***** house though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2326793]The political situation currently has nothing to do with the hobby we all enjoy. As we speak the month of Ramadan is still in play so things will be a bit quiet but July should be fine.

On the other hand one should be glad that the incumbent has been reelected. His challenger was a more hard-line sort of guy and thst could have impacted the mongering scene.

In the long run I believe Indonesia will get more and more radicalised and our hobby will meet its maker there.[/QUOTE]Sadly this is the direction of travel all over the Muslim world. Malaysia is on the same path. Looks like we will all be going to Vietnam in 10 years time!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2326793]The political situation currently has nothing to do with the hobby we all enjoy. As we speak the month of Ramadan is still in play so things will be a bit quiet but July should be fine. [/QUOTE]Glad to hear this. I have a week booked in July as well, its my maiden trip to Jakarta. Thank you.

[QUOTE=GCNovice;2326712]Hi gents,

I've read pages, 35 and counting, of this thread and would like to gather some more info, if anyone is kind enough to provide. Thanks in advance.

It seems Hotel Classic is the go to for cheap P4P I'll make this a stop or multiple stops based on luck.

1. Is the entrance to the P4P scene in the the back left of the hotel (not the main entrance to hotel)?

2. How dim is the light setting, viewing youtube, I can barely see anything outside of the WG's lounging sofas? In a couple of videos, are the girls sectioned off by premium (most sit in front of the bar, but there's an area to the immediate left of the entrance where some girls will sit).

3. I can't recall the page #, there's a 40,000 IDR minimum to enter a floor. If I don't locate someone on floor 2, I want to leave for floor 5, and I don't buy 40,000 worth of drinks. Do I pay the different upon leaving? And does moving from floor to floor incur new minimum?.[/QUOTE]1. Hotel Classic has a large lobby / common area central. You enter and see the registration desk, but off to the side appears to be a multistory atrium. Around this atrium as you go up are various businesses including the ones you're looking for. Escalators and elevators get you there.

2. Near pitch black. You need to bring MMS or the girl to some lighting to discuss.

3. Don't know how the minimum charge works. But it's very cheap! My advice is to not worry about the small stuff.

4. I never had a problem. It's usually boredom that drives me out.

5. There are at least 5 floors to Classic. You may not see any posts about 3 or 4 simply because the businesses there have cycled or there may be no businesses there at all. I can't remember, but maybe Smoothy can advise what is on 3 and 4. Also, Indonesia has a superstitious thing about using L4 as a floor. It usually goes G, 1, 2, 3, 3 A, 5. Can't remember how Classic does it.

6. Hotel Travel is open. The entrance of the club is separate from the hotel lobby. It's about 10 meters to the left. You don't need an address. Any taxicab driver in North Jakarta knows Hotel Travel. The shadier ones will want to give you a fixed rate to drive you there knowing you're horny and looking to bang. Their fixed rate is usually 150% of whatever Bluebird charges you, but late at night, you don't usually find Bluebird in those neighborhoods.

7. Kota Indah is not a well known term to both Google Maps and to taxi drivers. If you're looking for this place and want to get there quickly in a taxicab, look for Starmoon Bar, favorite that, and show the address to the driver. The area is just one block south of Kota Tua (Old City). Kotah Indah is really two shit-covered alleyways with about 5 clubs / bars completely filled with young lovely girls. My favorite place to punt really. But as I indicated before and as Smoothy reminded me I'm redundant in stating because it's stated this time of year for the past 2 decades, do not go during Ramadan and likely during Idul Fitri celebration because all of the establishments are likely closed, doors locked, lights out. So much so that even the alley heavy security gate is completely slid shut. I believe Idul Fitri celebrations can last as long as June 16 this year, though officially, businesses like to reopen by June 12. (Kota Indah are not official businesses).

8. If you're already running a TIGHT budget, CJs and BATS will get you no where. We're talking a 500 k punting experience versus a 2000 k punting experience (taxi, entry, drink, ST girl). So you have to really be honest about your budget here. If you want to go just to look around, sure thing. Taxi's are VERY reasonable and the entry is about 250 k which gets you a first drink. I don't know exact details but have been at these locations previously.

CJs is just a huge dance club with a live band. The girls there are all working. 80% of them look plain and are in their 30's. 20% of them are in their 20%. You'll find a couple of stunners in the entire crowd. Various night by night of course. The friendliness varies too. You'll see Indo girls outright making out with middle eastern guys at the bar, DFK, etc. You'll see girls hiding in the crowd hoping you approach them. You'll get girls who come up to you and introduce themselves. It's a huge dance party where nobody's dancing, just standing around and trying to hook up. Everyone pays 250 k to enter, so the girls are trying to get business or they lose out the evening.

BATS is a huge dark bar with a more subtle live band. The action starts at around 10:30 PM because before that it's an empty restaurant. At 10:30, girls and westerners start to trickle in until the bar is completely full. It's a beautiful environment but the women are older also. 30's. I've been approached by several and they're all nice and business like, but in the end far too expensive. 1. 5 M for ST typical, if not more. You might be able to identify a girl who's not as attractive and knows this so she'll go as low as 1. 2 M ST. But I wasn't looking for company when I went. Ended up going to Classic and was very pleased.

9. The taxi company you can trust is Bluebird who also handles Pusaka. So remember the taxi companies named Bluebird and Pusaka. Everyone else is a trickster who'd rather operate without the meter and rip you a little. You should download My Bluebird App and see if you can hail a Bluebird. If all else fails and it looks like you're walking a few miles, then dig out those wrinkly bills and pay whatever fee the other taxis are looking for. If you can jive in a little bit of Bahasa Indonesia, try to say "I will only pay XX to go to HERE" and insert about 130% to 150% of the cab fee into XX. Otherwise, you might be screwed for even more. If you're cruising around Classic, Travel, and Kota Indah, there are these little 3 wheeled enclosed motorbikes. They're small and blue. These are safe and are usually cheaper than a taxi but you don't get air conditioning and you inhale a lot of bad exhaust fumes when the bike is stopped.

[QUOTE=GCNovice;2326712]
3. I can't recall the page #, there's a 40,000 IDR minimum to enter a floor. If I don't locate someone on floor 2, I want to leave for floor 5, and I don't buy 40,000 worth of drinks. Do I pay the different upon leaving? And does moving from floor to floor incur new minimum?[/QUOTE]40,000 is less than $3 USD. You will not find any drink for less than that. You can sit in there the entire night and never buy a drink if you want. If you don't buy a drink at all, you have to pay 40,000 to exit. They only have that entry fee to keep the locals out who can't afford 40 k. As tiny as the entry fee is, it's a good thing. That's the problem with places like kota indah, they don't charge any cover at all, so the lowest of the low locals go there and hang out all night stinking the place up with their smoking and taking up space.

The ground floor of Classic is called Bunker, it has a 50 k cover, but they do not charge white westerners that cover. The 2nd floor charges everyone the cover.

[QUOTE=GCNovice;2326712]Where is Hotel Kota Indah located? I searched but I don't believe I'm searching correctly, my Google-fu isn't good on this one.

Are Jakarta taxi drivers horrendous with night charges. I know Bangkok taxi drivers are.[/QUOTE]Kota Indah is an area in North Jakarta. It is not a hotel. There are several bars in that area. Look for names like Starmoon, Grand LA, etc. You will easily find it on Google Maps.

As for transport, use only Bluebird taxis. Or use a ride sharing app called GRAB. Look for it in the Play store / App store.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2327021]Kota Indah is an area in North Jakarta.

As for transport, use only Bluebird taxis.[/QUOTE]Kota Indah is one of the few areas of Jakarta where you WILL be overcharged by the taxis waiting there. You will be fine at Hotel Classic because it's easy to find a bluebird there. It is not easy to get a bluebird at kota indah so you will likely end up with one of the mafia taxis where you have to overpay. Most of the people who go to kota indah are down market locals who drive there on their scooter. That's why there are hundreds of scooters all over the place in front of those little bars.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2326986]
9. The taxi company you can trust is Bluebird who also handles Pusaka. So remember the taxi companies named Bluebird and Pusaka. Everyone else is a trickster who'd rather operate without the meter and rip you a little. [/QUOTE]In my opinion, that's not really the case. The "tricksters" are rare. You find them as the old broken beaten up taxis in north Jakarta near the brothels, or on the dirty streets of Blok M or other dicey mafia ridden areas. You won't likely find any taxi that doesn't use a meter at a place in Jakarta that doesn't have some nefarious activity going on. I actually prefer Express taxi over Bluebird because the Express taxis not only use the meter every time, but their price is cheaper and the drivers are smarter. If you want to get to a place that is not so popular, the chance a bluebird taxi knows it are almost zero, but an express taxi driver will very likely know. Gamya is also a good taxi, but Express is the best. Bluebird does have the nicest taxis, but many times their driver is a young kid who just started driving and doesn't know a thing about Jakarta.

Benderover.

Thanks for the depth of info, much appreciated.

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To get to Terminal in Classic, it's through the main front door? Are the prices at these hotels all inclusive or do you pay extra for the room and extra services like extra shots and CIM? The #4, per Chinese culture, is bad luck - #1 and #9 are the lucky numbers. I'm not on a tight budget, just trying to figure out charges and so on. Prices at BATS, CJ, and others are fairly comparable to the punting scene in Bangkok (cheaper) and Seoul (expensive). Also, do you know how regularly girls get tested at Malio, Classic, Travel, etc. ? Girls allowing BB with CIP is something I don't partake in and I hope they understand the risks involved.

Smoothy.

I'm not white, so no freebies for me or women lusting over me.

I keep seeing different info about coverage charges, meh, I'll just eat it as part of the P2P scene.

Thanks all for the info on Kota Indah, I might pass that area up.

I attached a work in progress image of what I usually do to determine where I stay and play.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2327029]In my opinion, that's not really the case. The "tricksters" are rare. You find them as the old broken beaten up taxis in north Jakarta near the brothels, or on the dirty streets of Blok M or other dicey mafia ridden areas. You won't likely find any taxi that doesn't use a meter at a place in Jakarta that doesn't have some nefarious activity going on. I actually prefer Express taxi over Bluebird because the Express taxis not only use the meter every time, but their price is cheaper and the drivers are smarter. If you want to get to a place that is not so popular, the chance a bluebird taxi knows it are almost zero, but an express taxi driver will very likely know. Gamya is also a good taxi, but Express is the best. Bluebird does have the nicest taxis, but many times their driver is a young kid who just started driving and doesn't know a thing about Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying that Smoothy. When I was typing, I was thinking this, but when I read what I had typed previously, I didn't clarify who the tricksters were. There's always 3 or 4 cabs sitting in front of the Kota Indah alleyway and those guys. Boy. They're running the "last shift or else you walk" routine and usually, I just pay. Example. On my way to Kotah Indah in a blue bird it's about 80 k and that will include a tip. On the way BACK from kota Indah, I'm usually out 120 k. I look at it where the extra 50 k is $4. 30 and there's no way I'm going to sweat my balls off for 45 minutes for that. Also, I've tried hailing a Bluebird on My Bluebird App and these guys can never find their way to the right place! I see the little car symbol do you-turn after you-turn trying to get to where I'm at and it's ridiculous.

If you're looking for a cheap place and not a dump to stay, I've hit the d'prima ITC on Jl. Tiangseng before. Clean room, basic bed, shitty TV, bathroom is clean and the tiled shower was nice. I give it a 2. 5 to 3 star but after a long flight and not wanting to waste money on the room, the 380 k is cheap compared to the good quality of the room.

It was a total of 380 k for one night and I think I stayed there 5 hours just as a relay point to shower after a long flight, shave, and head out to Kota Indah five minute walk away. But I wasn't aware that the places were outright closed (I thought they were just really really slow). The bellman was a young kid who knew what went wrong and was quick to offer me his "friend" who was young and cute and did massages. She showed up and didn't disappoint. 600 k all in for ST plus a tip on the way out. I tipped the kid 100 k cause he really scored for me.

If anyone can chime in on the Horizon Arcadia, and share how the place was, it'd be helpful.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2327021]Kota Indah is an area in North Jakarta. It is not a hotel. There are several bars in that area. Look for names like Starmoon, Grand LA, etc. You will easily find it on Google Maps..[/QUOTE]Kota Indah is not without it's risks, Like Smoothy says it is where every broken arsed punk and wannabe gangster in Jakarta ends up late at night. The security guys there put up with a lot. They are constantly being challenged by some punk or another. OS was there early in May and they wouldn't let this guy in to Grand LA who was getting really agitated. The stand off lasted about 15 minutes before he got in. OS was sitting right there with the security guys watching trying to work out what the issue was. It was a plainclothes policeman having a night out who still had his gun in his pocket and he wanted in. Security didn't want to let him in with a gun and they held that line as best they could.

Once you reach a certain level of wealth in tough guy Indonesia you can get a police permit for a pistol that you can carry anywhere in Indonesia except on a plane. Those dudes are known to enjoy a night out at Kota Indah.

I wondered and Inquired about that as well on my last visit and found out those rooms where we go to do our deed located on 3, 4. If you pay attention while walking with the girls from Terminal 2, there are one sided mirrors along the corridor where you see empty floors and that Gian Escalator. FYI occasionally these rooms are shared between T2 and T5. On my last visit, my duo girls took me to 5 as none of the rooms were available in 3, 4.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2326986]5. There are at least 5 floors to Classic. You may not see any posts about 3 or 4 simply because the businesses there have cycled or there may be no businesses there at all. I can't remember, but maybe Smoothy can advise what is on 3 and 4. Also, Indonesia has a superstitious thing about using L4 as a floor.[/QUOTE]

I have been using Grab mostly and no issues so far. Book using app and door to door service. On a rare occasion took Gojek as well but grab founds to be more reliable and nicer cars. Also, I can setup auto payments and Grab charges my MC end of the tip. Overall I find Grab to be more reliable, cheaper, cleaner and better vehicles compared Bluebirds.

Grab has a booth at the Airport on arrival and counter attendant can assist in booking the trip for you.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2327021]Kota Indah is an area in North Jakarta. It is not a hotel. There are several bars in that area. Look for names like Starmoon, Grand LA, etc. You will easily find it on Google Maps.

As for transport, use only Bluebird taxis. Or use a ride sharing app called GRAB. Look for it in the Play store / App store.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2327282]still had his gun in his pocket and he wanted in. Security didn't want to let him in with a gun and they held that line as best they could.

Once you reach a certain level of wealth in tough guy Indonesia you can get a police permit for a pistol that you can carry anywhere in Indonesia except on a plane.[/QUOTE]There was a guy who had given the waiter his credit card to pay the bill. For some reason, the card was declined. When the waiter came back and told the guy it was declined, the guy felt like he lost face in front of his friends and the girls so he pulled out a gun and shot the waiter dead. The sad thing is the guy who killed the waiter got off without doing any time in jail. Supposedly guns aren't allowed in Indonesia, but the rules aren't the same for everyone it seems.

[QUOTE=GCNovice;2327165]Benderover.

Thanks for the depth of info, much appreciated.

1- 5.

To get to Terminal in Classic, it's through the main front door? Are the prices at these hotels all inclusive or do you pay extra for the room and extra services like extra shots and CIM? The #4, per Chinese culture, is bad luck - #1 and #9 are the lucky numbers. I'm not on a tight budget, just trying to figure out charges and so on. Prices at BATS, CJ, and others are fairly comparable to the punting scene in Bangkok (cheaper) and Seoul (expensive). Also, do you know how regularly girls get tested at Malio, Classic, Travel, etc. ? Girls allowing BB with CIP is something I don't partake in and I hope they understand the risks involved.

Thanks all for the info on Kota Indah, I might pass that area up.[/QUOTE]To have fun at Classic anything, have a taxi drop you off at the hotel first. He's going to have to enter the driveway, get vehicle searched (standard procedure), drive into the parking building, loop around inside, and head back towards the exit. As he leaves the parking garage, there's the hotel lobby. Enter the hotel lobby and look to your right until you enter the atrium. It'll be five stories tall looking straight up. All around the inside of that atrium is like a mall. Pick your interest at all the different levels and go in to check it out!

When you finally select a girl, MMS will tell you a total amount. Pay her that amount and she'll bring you back change. It's fully inclusive for everything except a tip. Everyone will have a different opinion for what a tip is or should be, but 100 k for good service appears to be a going rate on this forum for Classic, Travel, and Kota Indah places. If you're super curious, the girl gets 100 k of your fee and keeps whatever tip you give her on top of that. However, she ends up spending 100 k per night overall being in the "system" due to bullshit expenses MMS puts on her account such as hair, makeup, transportation, interest, service fees, etc.

Girls getting tested? Probably never. They go in to get testing when they wonder why their periods been gone for a few months or why there's green pus down below or why their genitals feel like they sat on a beehive.

In regards to CJ's, I've taken a girl back to my hotel before for 1.5 M for LT and when the lights turned on, she was way older and fatter than I thought when I picked her up at the bar. I couldn't get it hard for the second round and she ended up leaving early anyways. So that was a bust. Then the second time, I eyeballed this gorgeous tall light skinned college beauty. Oh my god she was perfect. But she told her friend I looked mean and she was afraid of going home with me alone so she wanted her friend with her. Total 3 M. Sorry, that's a bit much and I don't need an audience. Her friend was actually very cool and was trying to help me out, but she just wasn't that attractive or young. Looking back, I'm 50-50 on paying the 3 M just to have tasted this girl. And for the record, I don't look mean or ugly. She was either sincerely a newbie and had her doubts about me or she was trying to upsell me. Both times in CJ's, I spent easily 1 M on entry and buying drinks for girls. Very expensive at this place.

Don't skip out on Kota Indah if it's open when you're there. LA Grand is easily the best hunting grounds I've been to. Second is Classic. Third is the masseuse girl that came to my hotel. Fourth is Travel. Based on this forum's recommendations, I've got to try out New Sari and the other joints in Kota Indah instead of just sticking it out at LA Grand.

Can anyone compare how easy, cheap, plentiful, beautiful (face and body), and service is for the hobby in Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Cambodia, Vietnam etc?

China's pretty bad right now. No action at all and when it's even hinted at being available it's 2000 RMB or up for low quality looks and service.

Will Classic be open during Lebaran / eid al fitr? Essentially after Ramadan is over. 6th of June.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2327175]There's always 3 or 4 cabs sitting in front of the Kota Indah alleyway and those guys. Boy. They're running the "last shift or else you walk" routine and usually, I just pay. Example. On my way to Kotah Indah in a blue bird it's about 80 k and that will include a tip. On the way BACK from kota Indah, I'm usually out 120 k. [/QUOTE]And those taxis are in such ill repair, it's amazing they can ever make the trip. 80 k in a bluebird? You must be coming all the way from South Jakarta. That's an hour trip one way. Painful. Have you tried D'Heaven at Grand Wijaya center?

[QUOTE=Benderover;2327456]Can anyone compare how easy, cheap, plentiful, beautiful (face and body), and service is for the hobby in Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Cambodia, Vietnam etc?[/QUOTE]This depends a lot on what price range you want to pay for a ST or LT girl. What is the top price you want to spend for a 1 hour session?

[QUOTE=Benderover;2327456]Can anyone compare how easy, cheap, plentiful, beautiful (face and body), and service is for the hobby in Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Cambodia, Vietnam etc?.[/QUOTE]To be able to give any meaningful advice or information you need to say what your definitions are. Your question is far too general to be able to answer properly.

All of the locations you mentioned have $10 girls and $1000 girls, some guys are swimming in girls they find gorgeous and there have been reports of guys being unable to get laid in Pattaya and Angeles City, who I find beautiful you might find hideous and the same for service skills.

Lots of info here and many can help. You just need to specify what you want.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2327482]And those taxis are in such ill repair, it's amazing they can ever make the trip. 80 k in a bluebird? You must be coming all the way from South Jakarta. That's an hour trip one way. Painful. Have you tried D'Heaven at Grand Wijaya center?[/QUOTE]I've been reading the forum as well as other helpful sites and I'm looking forward to checking out the heaven, My place spa, and fortune but the sites typically rate them as plus or plus-plus. What looks intriguing is be fashion spa over by anggrek which appears to maybe be pricier but is a Plus-plus-plus location. I'm willing to adventure it out.

The last time I headed east from s. Jakarta, the taxi guy took a major major street all the way North to Pacific place before heading southwest again. Why do they don't his instead of taking one of the major streets straight to blok m or in this next case to Grand Wijaya?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2327550]This depends a lot on what price range you want to pay for a ST or LT girl. What is the top price you want to spend for a 1 hour session?[/QUOTE]Well, in comparison to things I can say that Indo hotties run about 600 k to 1.7 M for ST and maybe up to 2.5 M for LT. These are all in excluding taxi, hotel, and airfare. If you had the option of spending a week smashing Kota indah and classic versus going to Bangkok, KL, Manilla, etc, where would you go for either hotter girls and same budget or similar hotness and lower cost? I'm assuming the action is similar in terms of sensual service, but if it's not and severely different, it'd be great to know!

I get a few days to piggyback a trip to any other location and the LB is looking to explore.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2327302]There was a guy who had given the waiter his credit card to pay the bill. For some reason, the card was declined. When the waiter came back and told the guy it was declined, the guy felt like he lost face in front of his friends and the girls so he pulled out a gun and shot the waiter dead. The sad thing is the guy who killed the waiter got off without doing any time in jail. Supposedly guns aren't allowed in Indonesia, but the rules aren't the same for everyone it seems.[/QUOTE]The father od the killer was Ibnu Sutowo, the first head of Pertamina, and arguable the only owner of a Rolls Royce in a time when it was not allowed to have a car that was not made in Indonesia.

The killer was not sentenced because the father of the victim supposedly has said that he doesn't want another father to loose a son.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2327456]China's pretty bad right now. No action at all and when it's even hinted at being available it's 2000 RMB or up for low quality looks and service.[/QUOTE]Even Shezhen and Guanzhou? I would be surprised if those places don't still rock. They were awesome when I was there last.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2327693]The father od the killer was Ibnu Sutowo, the first head of Pertamina, and arguable the only owner of a Rolls Royce in a time when it was not allowed to have a car that was not made in Indonesia.

The killer was not sentenced because the father of the victim supposedly has said that he doesn't want another father to loose a son.[/QUOTE]I thought he got 7 years after the father of the victim wrote to the judge pleading for a lenient sentence. Possible that he did not serve. Happened in Fluid, right?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2327763]I thought he got 7 years after the father of the victim wrote to the judge pleading for a lenient sentence. Possible that he did not serve. Happened in Fluid, right?[/QUOTE]Here's the link reported back in 2005.

[URL]https://www.smh.com.au/world/super-rich-murderer-jailed-for-seven-years-20050617-gdlj29.html[/URL]

Found [URL]https://cityxguide.com/c/jakarta[/URL] while researching for my upcoming trip. Looks similar to backpage from old days. Any feedback?

No listing has pricing mentioned. First impression is that this could be as bad as loconto but would like to hear from others if anyone tried.

Thanks for sharing the link as I will be in Jakarta after Ramadan. This will be of much help.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2327841] Found [URL]https://cityxguide.com/c/jakarta[/URL] while researching for my upcoming trip. Looks similar to backpage from old days. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2327841]Found [URL]https://cityxguide.com/c/jakarta[/URL] while researching for my upcoming trip. Looks similar to backpage from old days. Any feedback?

No listing has pricing mentioned. First impression is that this could be as bad as loconto but would like to hear from others if anyone tried.[/QUOTE]Tried to contact some seems most ads posted by pimps and also observed there are same ads posted in different location even different countries they post same ads with diff numbers. Need to be cautious.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2327841]Found [URL]https://cityxguide.com/c/jakarta[/URL] while researching for my upcoming trip. Looks similar to backpage from old days. Any feedback?

No listing has pricing mentioned. First impression is that this could be as bad as loconto but would like to hear from others if anyone tried.[/QUOTE]One of those girls used to live down the hall from me, so I know she's real and on the game.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2327579]I've been reading the forum as well as other helpful sites and I'm looking forward to checking out D'heaven, My place spa, and fortune but the sites typically rate them as plus or plus-plus. What looks intriguing is be fashion spa over by anggrek which appears to maybe be pricier but is a Plus-plus-plus location. I'm willing to adventure it out.
[/QUOTE]B Fashion is indeed a good place. Medika is in that same area and if you like kota indah, you will very likely like Medika.

As Goferring stated, it based on how much you are willing to pay. Speaking for Bangkok, it so damn easy and everything is close together with a few subway stops away or walking. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and you will find them more if you're into overpriced drinks and loud music. Nana Plaza & Soi Cowboy (barfine + ST / LT). You can try the big massage parlors in the Huay Kwang area or smaller massage parlors around Soi 22, 24, 26, 31, 33. Going around the smaller massage parlors can be exhausting trying to find a girl. The smaller parlors run from 1700 - 2600 baht for 1 hour. Big parlors can run you from 2500 - 6000+ baht for 1 hour. I would skip KTV, I haven't had good experiences in KTV and you pay everyone for doing minor things.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2327574]To be able to give any meaningful advice or information you need to say what your definitions are. Your question is far too general to be able to answer properly.

All of the locations you mentioned have $10 girls and $1000 girls, some guys are swimming in girls they find gorgeous and there have been reports of guys being unable to get laid in Pattaya and Angeles City, who I find beautiful you might find hideous and the same for service skills.

Lots of info here and many can help. You just need to specify what you want.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2327909] Medika is in that same area and if you like kota indah, you will very likely like Medika.[/QUOTE]Imo service level not nearly as good at new medika compared to kota Indah.

Never been to B Fashion but always meant to. Girls are hot there?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2327938]Imo service level not nearly as good at new medika[/QUOTE]As always, it depends on the girl. And maybe even if you speak Indonesian. I did have one so bad I walked out on her, but I have had some really excellent sessions there as well. I got the phone number of a couple of sexy dancers at Medika and they come to my place on occasion. One of them gives a 10/10 blow job, she's awesome. She's fine with 700 k when she visits. In my opinion, Medika is worthy of being included in the rotation. So is B Fashion, and you will likely prefer B Fashion, but I prefer Medika over B Fashion simply because it's a little more of the wild west mentality.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2327693]The father od the killer was Ibnu Sutowo, the first head of Pertamina, and arguable the only owner of a Rolls Royce in a time when it was not allowed to have a car that was not made in Indonesia.

The killer was not sentenced because the father of the victim supposedly has said that he doesn't want another father to loose a son.[/QUOTE]What the father meant was that he didn't want his father to lose a son. Get my drift?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2327737]Even Shezhen and Guanzhou? I would be surprised if those places don't still rock. They were awesome when I was there last.[/QUOTE]Dropped by Shanghai a few weeks ago and it was dead because the anniversary of the communist party is coming up and the Po-Po are shutting everything down until it's over. I frequented some awesome fishbowls a few years back that are all quiet for now.

Guangzhou is great but I don't know if the water spas are taking a break for the same anniversary celebration. Even when they were going full steam, it was not easy to find action and it was usually plus-plus only. Sure plus-plus-plus was available, but you couldn't even buy it on the menu except for one or places. A majority of the spas (like 8 out of 10) were only plus and it's pricey! I also went to SZ once by train because my dick for some reason thought it was a pussy divining rod. Boy did it let me down that trip. 2.5 hours on a train each way and ended up getting CFS from a gal that's 10 years older, 15 pounds heavier, and Jack Nicholson uglier than she should be. Oh yeah, the place was a total dump too.

Don't get me wrong, China may rock again later but for the time being it's slow due to the political attention of the celebration.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2327583]Well, in comparison to things I can say that Indo hotties run about 600 k to 1.7 M for ST and maybe up to 2.5 M for LT. These are all in excluding taxi, hotel, and airfare. If you had the option of spending a week smashing Kota indah and classic versus going to Bangkok, KL, Manilla, etc, where would you go for either hotter girls and same budget or similar hotness and lower cost? I'm assuming the action is similar in terms of sensual service, but if it's not and severely different, it'd be great to know!

I get a few days to piggyback a trip to any other location and the LB is looking to explore.[/QUOTE]Girls are ultimately cheaper in Jakarta than the cities you mentioned (assuming you stick to places like Classic), but there's more variety and alternative entertainment options in those other cities especially Bangkok. Plus if Bangkok is not working out jump on a $4 bus to Pattaya.

Plus it's not particularly enjoyable hanging out at a Kota Indah bar.

I can only assume some arrangement was made. Maybe he was looking forward to driving a new Rolls.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2327693]The father od the killer was Ibnu Sutowo, the first head of Pertamina, and arguable the only owner of a Rolls Royce in a time when it was not allowed to have a car that was not made in Indonesia.

The killer was not sentenced because the father of the victim supposedly has said that he doesn't want another father to loose a son.[/QUOTE]Nowadays, cash is king. If you are able to take enough out of your account in cash. There was a time when Amex was the card. I never had an Amex declined but had with other cards and banks. Buffet got questioned when he was taking out his regular 8 k or so for his wife's pocket change. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2327906]One of those girls used to live down the hall from me, so I know she's real and on the game.[/QUOTE]Good to know. Thanks. I will try during my July trip and will post my review.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2328019]Don't get me wrong, China may rock again later but for the time being it's slow due to the political attention of the celebration.[/QUOTE]China still rocks, but only for the privileged or the well-connected. The average monger has no hope in hell there for times to come.

Hello friends,

Will be visiting Jakarta on 2nd week of June.

Its a short trip so I won't be able to take more than 1 WG.

My preferences are young, beautiful, good asset, good service.

I won't be able to arrange place.

And I will be taking her for maximum 2 shots.

All kinds are welcome be it Indonesian or Vietnamese.

Haven't taken Vietnamese before though.

Would love to try something out in Vietnamese.

Kindly provide some leads.

I would love to be of assistance in return.

I have very less space in my inbox so please bear with me if it gets full.

I'll try to make space for everyone.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=JbbFourU;2328446]I have very less space in my inbox so please bear with me if it gets full.[/QUOTE]Your inbox is full? Come on. With a first post on this forum like that, you have got to be kidding. Who is going to send you a PM? My guess is very few. There's lots of information here on the forum already. I suggest you either read the forum for information or maybe try making a connection on facebook [URL]https://www.facebook.com/JakartaIndian/[/URL].

Hey fellas,

Well, here it is, the trip report for my visit to Jakarta in mid-April 2019. Apologies for the tardiness of this report, but I've been swamped with tasks and duties since I got back from Indonesia and only recently have had time to sit down and compose this report.

Apologies to anyone who thinks that my report is tedious. But as anyone can see from my many other reports on ISG (Medellin, Sint Maarten, Budapest, Guadalajara, San Salvador, Saint Petersburg, Merida, Trinidad, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Tokyo, Vancouver, Quito, Belize City), I tend to be hyper-specific with information. But for this report, if you just want the details of my (attempted) mongering, skip down to number five below.

1) Airline. I hopped across the Pacific on EVA Air:

[URL]www.evaair.com/en-us/index.html#[/URL]

Traveling to 34 different countries since 2008, this is the first airline to ever hassle me about the weight of my carry-on bag, and I've been on everything, from a 787 Dreamliner out of Tokyo to a Cessna 208 Caravan into Guatemala. But they redeemed themselves when it was time to hop back across the Pacific. Forced to wait for documents, we left Jakarta an hour and a half late and landed in Taipei ten minutes after my connecting flight was supposed to depart. Luckily, they held the connecting flight for me and about a dozen other passengers connecting in Taipei from other flights. All in all, I was pretty satisfied with EVA Air and will likely use them for a future trip to Taipei.

2) Guidebook. I used Lonely Planet Pocket Jakarta:

[URL]shop.lonelyplanet.com/search?q=Jakarta[/URL]

In all of my travels, I've almost always used Lonely Planet guidebooks and have always used their full-size country or city guidebooks, so I was pretty skeptical about a pocket-size version. But Lonely Planet Pocket Jakarta was packed with information about what to see, where to eat, where to shop, and where to party. The only information that it didn't have was where to sleep, but most tourists probably already have a hotel reservation before they land at the airport anyway. A new edition of the Lonely Planet Pocket Jakarta guidebook is scheduled to be released this July.

3) Passport. There was some recent discussion in this forum about carrying your passport on your person and running the risk of losing it or having it stolen by a pickpocket versus not carrying it and running the risk of being shaken-down by corrupt law enforcement who request to see your passport and immigration stamp at a police or military checkpoint. Well, for over a week, I walked all over Jakarta and took many taxis, and not once did anyone ask to see my passport or immigration stamp. The exception to that was at Dua Sisi Money Changer in Plaza Senayan, where I needed to provide my passport each time I made a currency exchange. Otherwise, I kept my passport in the security safe of my hotel room with no issues.

4) Hotel. Speaking of hotel, I was lodged for over a week at Fairmont Jakarta:

[URL]www.fairmont.com/jakarta/[/URL]

Now, Natty Bumpo said:

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2260292]Now to my Fairmont review: Wow! This IS a true 5-star hotel. It is also very large, about 5 times as large as the Fairmont Makati. The 1-bedroom suite was the size of two deluxe rooms with a living room / dining room, the bedroom and 1. 5 bathrooms. Everything was modern, new and top quality.[/QUOTE]And he was exactly right. Clean and modern with a friendly and helpful staff and an amazing breakfast buffet, Fairmont Jakarta was perfect for my time in the city. The hotel is connected to Plaza Senayan via underground and above-ground passages, with Senayan City a short, outdoor walk away. At both Plaza Senayan and Senayan City, there's extensive shopping, currency exchange, and restaurants. If you'd like to have a good sampling of food from Indonesia but don't want to go too far from Fairmont Jakarta, go to Remboelan, which has a location in both Plaza Senayan and Senayan City. Personally, I found the Remboelan in Senayan City to be more hip with better service than at the Remboelan in Plaza Senayan.

5) Attempted Session. I visited CJ's Bar on the Saturday immediately before Easter Sunday. CJ's is located on the second floor of Hotel Mulia and is an easy, 15-minute walk from Fairmont Jakarta. When you walk through the main entrance of Hotel Mulia, take the staircase on the right, which will bring you to the receptionist desk and entrance doors of the bar.

I arrived at the ridiculously early time of 945 pm. At the desk, the receptionist told me that there was an Easter party that night and that the cover charge was two hundred sixty thousand rupiah. I paid the cover charge and got both a receipt for a Heineken draft as my welcome drink and an Easter cookie from the receptionist.

I entered the bar, got a quick "hand wand" security check, then exchanged my receipt for a small Heineken draft at the bar. The place was dead, but I made eye contact with a couple of WGs who were already on the prowl and took a seat at a section of one of the raised tables that didn't have a reserved sign on it. I made conversation with one of the waiters, who said that a sofa in the VIP section was four million three hundred thousand rupiah with one million three hundred thousand rupiah in food and drinks included, while couches in the other room (the one with the painting of the Rolling Stones on the wall) was two million rupiah with one million rupiah in food and drinks included.

I quickly finished my Heineken and ordered a bottled Bintang beer from a waiter for one hundred twenty thousand rupiah. From the time I sat down and until the band started playing at 11 pm, I was approached by two WGs. The first was unappealingly pear-shaped and promised a great massage and sex until I was tired. The second said she was 33 years old but honestly looked 45. Both WGs started with the usual questions (What is your name? Where are you staying? How long will you be in Jakarta?) and immediately quoted prices in dollars but switched to rupiah when asked. Their opening offers were somewhere in the neighborhood of two million to two million five hundred thousand rupiah, but they quickly dropped to one million five hundred thousand rupiah when I genuinely acted not interested. Once the band started playing at 11 pm, most WGs in the place retreated to the bar near the entrance door so they could eye-fuck potential clients around the room. And at 1 am, with most WGs eagerly puffing away on cigarettes and rolling clouds of smoke filling the room, I decided to tap out and head back to the hotel. Even though I didn't monger, I'm happy I had the experience, as the band was great and the crowd was lively and fun.

So that's it. Apologies for this not being the hottest, nastiest, ball-slappingest report that's ever been written for ISG, but if even one monger finds my contribution useful, then I'll be satisfied. Just for the hell of it, I've attached a picture of the receipts for my Bintang beers, my Fairmont Jakarta room key card, and the Easter cookie that CJ's was giving out on the night of my visit. Comments, questions, and insults are welcome from other ISG mongers.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2328773]Your inbox is full? Come on.[/QUOTE]Same thought! But how come you concluded that he is Indian?

[QUOTE=JbbFourU;2328446]Hello friends,

Will be visiting Jakarta on 2nd week of June.

Its a short trip so I won't be able to take more than 1 WG.

My preferences are young, beautiful, good asset, good service.

I won't be able to arrange place.

And I will be taking her for maximum 2 shots.

All kinds are welcome be it Indonesian or Vietnamese.

Haven't taken Vietnamese before though.

Would love to try something out in Vietnamese.

Kindly provide some leads.

I would love to be of assistance in return.

I have very less space in my inbox so please bear with me if it gets full.

I'll try to make space for everyone.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Yeah looks like it's not your lucky day Mr JBB. I sent you a PM with the phone numbers of 5 of my 18 old "special friends" in Jakarta. All of who also love to do anal and who get really turned on by men with a sense of privilege like you sound to be. But your inbox was full, how sad!. Too bad I am going mountain climbing in Antarctica for the next 3 months and won't be able to help you anymore. Would have loved to share my contacts with you. Not!

[QUOTE=Menteng;2328998]Same thought! But how come you concluded that he is Indian?[/QUOTE]Smoothy concluded because his past posts are in Indian threads.

I haven't been to Jakarta for 8 years and can only remember the name of one place I visited which was Hotel Travel, I visited 2 other clubs a short distance by taxi from Hotel Travel, I will be returning soon, can anyone recommend any good clubs / massage parlours to visit which is near to Hotel Travel.

Not just Indian but Jbb pretty much declared himself Senior member of Mumbai and seeking contacts! He made similar post in Mumbai but luckily he was looking for Afro instead of Indonesian or Vietnamese! I don't know what kind of herbs he is on but it's definitely not working on his favor LMAO. His Hyderabad post is quite interesting too.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2329007]Smoothy concluded because his past posts are in Indian threads.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JbbFourU;2328446]Hello friends,
Will be visiting Jakarta on 2nd week of June.
<snip>

I won't be able to arrange place.

<snip>

All kinds are welcome be it Indonesian or Vietnamese.
Haven't taken Vietnamese before though.
Would love to try something out in Vietnamese.

[/QUOTE]1) If you like Vietnamese girls, you are visiting the wrong country.

2) "I won't be able to arrange place".
This is a strange comment. OK let me guess. Your plane ticket was expensive and you are short on Cash now.

This message is a prime example of how to annoy, irritate and destroy goodwill.

~BKKguru

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2329007]Smoothy concluded because his past posts are in Indian threads.[/QUOTE]Not really. I didn't need to look at any old posts. It seems that almost every Indian visiting Jakarta for the first time has either sent me a PM or posted the same format of text. It's easily identifiable.

And I do agree with BKKGuru's comment that "This message is a prime example of how to annoy, irritate and destroy goodwill." Unfortunately, it seems to be pretty much every time any Indian posts on this Jakarta forum for the first time. Must be a cultural thing.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;2328892]

So that's it. Apologies for this not being the hottest, nastiest, ball-slappingest report that's ever been written for ISG, but if even one monger finds my contribution useful, then I'll be satisfied. Just for the hell of it, I've attached a picture of the receipts for my Bintang beers, my Fairmont Jakarta room key card, and the Easter cookie that CJ's was giving out on the night of my visit. Comments, questions, and insults are welcome from other ISG mongers.[/QUOTE]We certainly appreciate your contribution to this forum with your report. It provides readers with well rounded information to the Jakarta scenes.

A close friend's wife who is a cool California MILF (smokes weed and is not judgmental and still looks good for her age. Not that I would try anything we are practically family) goes to Jakarta all the time for business and stays at the Mullia.

Shew will pop down to CJs for a drink when she is there and people watch so we compared notes.

She is convinced the place is run by mamsans and says she has met them before and watched them control their "bitches". I never encountered any such thing in my 10+ visits there and have only talked to FL girls (most who were there alone or with a friend or two).

At first I though she was talking about Classic or Malioboro the way she was describing the place. LOL But she was describing her time at CJs.

In any case, have any of you more experienced mongers encountered mamsans there? I think my milfy friend was just high or overexagerating (in the typical Western female fashion when it comes to our hobbie).

Come to think of it we were both pretty high when we had this conversation so that could also explain things. LOL.

Stay horny my friends!

Uncle V.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2329081]Must be a cultural thing.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is a cultural thing. Not trying to be defensive of irritating requests for help, desperate pleas for sharing the contacts. Here are my 2 cents, hoping to improve the understanding of my fellow country men in this forum.

Culturally, India is not "individualistic" unlike West and this is similar to Asian culture. Applying this to men, they are used to be part of a group where all the requests for help or providing help to others are very informal. Its perfectly normal for a Indian man to help a friend in a life altering way and not even expecting a return of "thank you". And this friend would have done the same thing to him, is the basis of this, it is not lacking gratitude. While this sounds normal, mix this concept with inexperienced men, exposed to global citizens. All these requests sound very much like "entitlement". While typing the request, he would have felt that the request is legitimate, but that is not the case in a global forum like this. Sometimes, I also read messages which kind of said in the similar lines of "I don't have time to read the forum, someone summarize it for me". I tried to explain how these ideas are coming from.

Change to "individualistic" culture is happening across India and is happening faster than ever with growing economy, nuclear families with high percentage of disposable income. Future might judge next generation more kindly. But I am part of this transitional generation and it is personally frustrating for me to take the slaps that were reserved for my fellow country man who deserved them.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2329104]A close friend's wife who is a cool California MILF (smokes weed and is not judgmental and still looks good for her age. Not that I would try anything we are practically family) goes to Jakarta all the time for business and stays at the Mullia.

Shew will pop down to CJs for a drink when she is there and people watch so we compared notes.

She is convinced the place is run by mamsans and says she has met them before and watched them control their "bitches". I never encountered any such thing in my 10+ visits there and have only talked to FL girls (most who were there alone or with a friend or two).

At first I though she was talking about Classic or Malioboro the way she was describing the place. LOL But she was describing her time at CJs.

In any case, have any of you more experienced mongers encountered mamsans there? I think my milfy friend was just high or overexagerating (in the typical Western female fashion when it comes to our hobbie).

Come to think of it we were both pretty high when we had this conversation so that could also explain things. LOL.

Stay horny my friends!

Uncle V.[/QUOTE]I have never heard from the CJ girls ever mentioning about mamasans there. I would know since these CJ freelancers that I pick up usually share a lot of gossips with me. Even though I don't go to Jakarta often, these girls would occasionally check in with me to ask about my next visit to CJ, or if they are bored or feeling down, would just chat with me over everything via WhatsApp.

Nonetheless, the freelancers do know each other relativity well and they do share info among one another.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2329104]A close friend's wife who is a cool California MILF (smokes weed and is not judgmental and still looks good for her age.

have any of you more experienced mongers encountered mamsans there?[/QUOTE]I took my sister to CJs not too long ago. She's a blonde haired blue eyed western chick who also still looks good. She is spoiled by the night clubs in the USA where almost every guy drools over her, so she thought CJs sucked. She did however really like Sky Garden in Bali. I have never seen a mamasan in CJs, but a lot of the girls who go there are old enough to be mamasans.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2329281]I took my sister to CJs not too long ago. She's a blonde haired blue eyed western chick who also still looks good. She is spoiled by the night clubs in the USA where almost every guy drools over her, so she thought CJs sucked. She did however really like Sky Garden in Bali.[/QUOTE]Do disrespect to your sister but that happens all the time. Teachers are notorious for going from being fawned over on a night out in the west to unable to score a free drink in Indonesia.

Its understandable that they don't see Indo as the Paradise that we guys do.

Enjoy. G.

PS. Of course, that's until they find the local guys' penchant for white meat. Lol

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2329024]I haven't been to Jakarta for 8 years and can only remember the name of one place I visited which was Hotel Travel, I visited 2 other clubs a short distance by taxi from Hotel Travel, I will be returning soon, can anyone recommend any good clubs / massage parlours to visit which is near to Hotel Travel.[/QUOTE]New Kimochi on Jl. Mangga Besar II. Travel Hotel is Jl Mangga Besar VIII so it's about 6 blocks westerly and just south of Jl Raya Mangga Besar.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2329287]Teachers are notorious for going from being fawned over on a night out in the west to unable to score a free drink in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]With the exception of Bali.

I do still try to flirt with western teachers in Jakarta when they are cute. I don't do it in the bars, but in grocery stores, etc. The problem is I am 30 years older than them and they have no interest in me these days (and I have no interest in one my age). When I very first came to Jakarta and I was still young, I would go to Chammps in Kemang and meet western girls there. Back then, they were receptive. But if I go a working girl bar like CJs, I would not even consider talking to a western woman.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2329281]I took my sister to CJs not too long ago. She's a blonde haired blue eyed western chick who also still looks good. She is spoiled by the night clubs in the USA where almost every guy drools over her, so she thought CJs sucked. She did however really like Sky Garden in Bali. I have never seen a mamasan in CJs, but a lot of the girls who go there are old enough to be mamasans.[/QUOTE]I like vag and I wasn't impressed by CJs.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2329328]I like vag and I wasn't impressed by CJs.[/QUOTE]Yes, you've already mentioned about 5 times here that you went there once and didn't find anything you liked that night.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2329711]Yes, you've already mentioned about 5 times here that you went there once and didn't find anything you liked that night.[/QUOTE]And you've mentioned probably hundreds of times that you enjoy CJs.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2329812]And you've mentioned probably hundreds of times that you enjoy CJs.[/QUOTE]The difference is that I have been there a lot more than once. There are nights I go there when there is no talent and I leave. But there are other nights I go there that are great. If you read through old posts, you will see plenty of times where I will say something like "it was a sausage fest at CJs (or BATS) tonight, so I left immediately" or "there was little to no talent at CJs (or BATS) tonight, so I left after one drink". That doesn't mean the place sucks, it just means that night sucked.

Your insults against CJs after going there only once are ridiculous. If you want consistency, stick with your mafia controlled brothels where the girls don't have a choice to not show up. Any free lance venue in Jakarta does not consistently have good talent because the girls who go there are "free lancers" and do not always go to same venue and sometimes don't go out at all. But when it's a good night, the place is great.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2329291]New Kimochi on Jl. Mangga Besar II. Travel Hotel is Jl Mangga Besar VIII so it's about 6 blocks westerly and just south of Jl Raya Mangga Besar.[/QUOTE]Benderover thanks for the info. Is New Kimochi the same type of set up as Travel Hotel?

I spent a few days in Jakarta earlier last month.

Arranged to meet a few that I met mainly through Tagged, they were willing to make contact when I was in town.

Hits and Miss which is to be expected, I cancelled 2 when they text me on Whatsapp to tell me they were leaving knowing it would take them an hour to come just at the time we arranged to meet at the hotel. I am never late be it in Jakarta where traffic is the common excuse, nor do I accept real lateness, 10 minutes passes by I start to ask questions.

I stop close to Sarinah shopping center so revisited Enzo Spa having done so with OK results on a previous visit.

Was introduced to a 8/10 her name escapes me, as all do she has little English.

I translated on my mobile in English to Indo, I am wanting extra service this time. With that she made a circle with one hand putting the finger from the other through it, so it was pretty clear we were on the same page, as I nodded yes.

She was demanding 1 Mill we compromised at 800 which made it the 1 Mill with what I paid on entry, but for me was money well spent.

I will return, some great lookers there, not sure FS will be on offer each time, on my previous visit a cutey gave me a HJ not asking for extra, I tipped her 150 regardless which of course pleased.

I will be heading there again on my next visit, the pleasing service aside, it is so much easier rolling up knowing its there on offer not needing to be negotiated and drawn out as it can be on many occasions with privates or freelancers.

Pedro.

I am working out a plan of action for my next trip to Jakarta. I will only be in Jakarta for 3 days so have no time to waste. I am going to stay in a Hotel near Hotel Travel, I remember the traffic being a total nightmare and don't want to waste a lot of time sitting in traffic, how long will it roughly take in the evening to travel by taxi from hotel travel to kota indah area, and also interested in checking out Maliboro, is this far from hotel travel.

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2331230]I am working out a plan of action for my next trip to Jakarta. I will only be in Jakarta for 3 days so have no time to waste. I am going to stay in a Hotel near Hotel Travel, I remember the traffic being a total nightmare and don't want to waste a lot of time sitting in traffic, how long will it roughly take in the evening to travel by taxi from hotel travel to kota indah area, and also interested in checking out Maliboro, is this far from hotel travel.[/QUOTE]That's the shittiest area of town, but it is where all the brothels are located. All brothels are within 15 minutes from each other, so going from one brothel to another is a non issue in that area. (other than Kelapa Gading, which rocks, but you don't seem to know about anyway).

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2331230]I am working out a plan of action for my next trip to Jakarta. I will only be in Jakarta for 3 days so have no time to waste. I am going to stay in a Hotel near Hotel Travel, I remember the traffic being a total nightmare and don't want to waste a lot of time sitting in traffic, how long will it roughly take in the evening to travel by taxi from hotel travel to kota indah area, and also interested in checking out Maliboro, is this far from hotel travel.[/QUOTE]My suggestion would be stay at any of the hotels on Gajah Madah / Hayam Waruk. From there you can easily access Classic and Travel. Also easily go to Malio. Also easily go to Kota Indah. If you are thinking about a slightly better spa like experience, then there is 1001 and Delta, both easily accessible. All places are a short 10 min ride on a GoJek (ride share app for bikes).

Alternately if you want zero down time, stay at Hotel Classic, their rooms are not bad. The brothel operates from 3 pm to 3 am every day and there are more chicks than you can possibly shag in 3 days. You are only limited by your own stamina and appetite.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2331490]Alternately if you want zero down time, stay at Hotel Classic, their rooms are not bad. The brothel operates from 3 pm to 3 am every day and there are more chicks than you can possibly shag in 3 days. You are only limited by your own stamina and appetite.[/QUOTE]This is good advice. I never understand why someone who is in town 3 days wants to visit every venue under the sun. It's 3 friggin days. Even sticking with Hotel Classic or Hotel Travel every single day, you will not have sex with every girl in there that you found to be attractive. It's not as if there are big differences between these places. Freelance places are a different story and I can understand why it's prudent to visit multiple venues, but the brothels are pretty much offering the same thing and there is no shortage of girls to last for 3 days in any of them.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331475]That's the shittiest area of town, but it is where all the brothels are located. All brothels are within 15 minutes from each other, so going from one brothel to another is a non issue in that area. (other than Kelapa Gading, which rocks, but you don't seem to know about anyway).[/QUOTE]Can you recommend any places worth visiting in the Kelapa Gading area? I m now thinking about spending a further 2 nights in Jakarta on the return leg of my trip so could possibly check out this area then.

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2331230]I am working out a plan of action for my next trip to Jakarta. I will only be in Jakarta for 3 days so have no time to waste. I am going to stay in a Hotel near Hotel Travel, I remember the traffic being a total nightmare and don't want to waste a lot of time sitting in traffic, how long will it roughly take in the evening to travel by taxi from hotel travel to kota indah area, and also interested in checking out Maliboro, is this far from hotel travel.[/QUOTE]Traffic is not a huge issue if you are staying in that part of Jakarta and wanting to visit the major brothels. Travel Hotel to Classic is a 5 minute ojek ride even with traffic. Travel to Kota Indah is at most 10 minutes on an ojek. Later in the evening (even early evening) traffic is non issue in that part of the city.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2331490]My suggestion would be stay at any of the hotels on Gajah Madah / Hayam Waruk. From there you can easily access Classic and Travel. Also easily go to Malio. Also easily go to Kota Indah. If you are thinking about a slightly better spa like experience, then there is 1001 and Delta, both easily accessible. All places are a short 10 min ride on a GoJek (ride share app for bikes).

Alternately if you want zero down time, stay at Hotel Classic, their rooms are not bad. The brothel operates from 3 pm to 3 am every day and there are more chicks than you can possibly shag in 3 days. You are only limited by your own stamina and appetite.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Can you recommend any hotels in Gajah Madah / Hayam Waruk.

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2331669]Can you recommend any places worth visiting in the Kelapa Gading area? I m now thinking about spending a further 2 nights in Jakarta on the return leg of my trip so could possibly check out this area then.[/QUOTE]King's Cross, MTR2, and D'Heaven. Sumo is also good. They are all right next to each other. You can walk from one to the other in a minute.

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2331802]Thanks for the info. Can you recommend any hotels in Gajah Madah / Hayam Waruk.[/QUOTE]I must have woken up on the right side of bed today. Why else would I reply to such a question from a BM who has 5 posts, all questions!

The answer to this question really depends on your budget. A simple search on Agoda reveals 106 different options. However, I am not feeling that good that I would list out all these 106 hotels along with price and a short description of the hotel and a note whether its girl-friendly or not (yes, I see that question coming next!

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2330385]Benderover thanks for the info. Is New Kimochi the same type of set up as Travel Hotel?[/QUOTE]Travel Hotel is like Classic. Big huge disco with nobody dancing. Loud music. Alcohol service. All the guys smoking cigarettes. Girls sitting on couches up against the wall. You walk in and MMS stalks right up to you pointing her laser pointer at any girl she thinks you might have a fancy for. You have the pick of anywhere from 50 to 150 fuckable girls, but you'll probably have your eye set on your few favorite.

New Kimochi is not a disco place. It's a massage parlor. You enter, it's quiet in the lobby with a counter. They have a couple of dozen photos of girls in uniform up on the board. You pick one you like (and hopefully she's not already in a session) and they ask you if you want plus, plus plus, or plus plus plus. You pay accordingly and go up for your massage.

When you're done, you can leave. The last time I tried to tip the girl 100 k, she tried to give it back to me telling me that I paid in full downstairs already. I smiled at her, closed her hand around the bill, and told her I knew and it was hers to keep. She beamed a big smile at me like tips are very unusual and I was a prince. Who knows. When in doubt, leave a tip, don't be an asshole.

Check out Best Western Mangga Dua, huge high-rise building with decent rooms and pretty good breakfast. KI / Classic / Travel nearby.

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2331802]Thanks for the info. Can you recommend any hotels in Gajah Madah / Hayam Waruk.[/QUOTE]

Does any brother has any recent experience of Kimochi 2? As much as I enjoy Classic night life, need to get out for that building for some day game!

[QUOTE=Marky1;2331689]Traffic is not a huge issue if you are staying in that part of Jakarta and wanting to visit the major brothels. Travel Hotel to Classic is a 5 minute ojek ride even with traffic. Travel to Kota Indah is at most 10 minutes on an ojek. Later in the evening (even early evening) traffic is non issue in that part of the city.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331823]King's Cross, MTR2, and D'Heaven. Sumo is also good. They are all right next to each other. You can walk from one to the other in a minute.[/QUOTE]Thanks I will check these out on the return leg of my trip. I will post a report when I get back home.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2331976]Travel Hotel is like Classic. Big huge disco with nobody dancing. Loud music. Alcohol service. All the guys smoking cigarettes. Girls sitting on couches up against the wall. You walk in and MMS stalks right up to you pointing her laser pointer at any girl she thinks you might have a fancy for. You have the pick of anywhere from 50 to 150 fuckable girls, but you'll probably have your eye set on your few favorite.

New Kimochi is not a disco place. It's a massage parlor. You enter, it's quiet in the lobby with a counter. They have a couple of dozen photos of girls in uniform up on the board. You pick one you like (and hopefully she's not already in a session) and they ask you if you want plus, plus plus, or plus plus plus. You pay accordingly and go up for your massage.

When you're done, you can leave. The last time I tried to tip the girl 100 k, she tried to give it back to me telling me that I paid in full downstairs already. I smiled at her, closed her hand around the bill, and told her I knew and it was hers to keep. She beamed a big smile at me like tips are very unusual and I was a prince. Who knows. When in doubt, leave a tip, don't be an asshole.[/QUOTE]Great info Top Man.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2331994]Check out Best Western Mangga Dua, huge high-rise building with decent rooms and pretty good breakfast. KI / Classic / Travel nearby.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I know you can search online for hotels but you can't beat a recommendation, a good breakfast is a must after a big night out.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2331976]All the guys smoking cigarettes.[/QUOTE]So true. It's amazing how almost every local smokes in those places.

I guess I was blind to read your report. Question though, what are the differences between plus, plus plus and plus plus plus. LOL. Reminds me of the movie "Dictator" where there was several meanings of same word Aladdin, LMAO.

[QUOTE=Benderover;2331976]Travel Hotel is like Classic. Big huge disco with nobody dancing. Loud music. Alcohol service. All the guys smoking cigarettes. Girls sitting on couches up against the wall. You walk in and MMS stalks right up to you pointing her laser pointer at any girl she thinks you might have a fancy for. You have the pick of anywhere from 50 to 150 fuckable girls, but you'll probably have your eye set on your few favorite.

New Kimochi is not a disco place. It's a massage parlor. You enter, it's quiet in the lobby with a counter. They have a couple of dozen photos of girls in uniform up on the board. You pick one you like (and hopefully she's not already in a session) and they ask you if you want plus, plus plus, or plus plus plus. You pay accordingly and go up for your massage..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2331669]Can you recommend any places worth visiting in the Kelapa Gading area? I m now thinking about spending a further 2 nights in Jakarta on the return leg of my trip so could possibly check out this area then.[/QUOTE]As Smoothy said, Kings Cross Sumo and MTR2. Then you are 10 minutes by Ojek from the Tanjung Priok bars, Rawa Malang if your budget is low and plenty of massage with ++ available at the block named Ruko Gading Bukit Indah which is 400 meters from Santika hotel My Place and some others and then a golf driving range around 200 meters further down from the Kings Cross, Sumo area.

Kelapa Gading is not a bad destination for our craft. It is also the food epicentre of Jakarta with hundreds of restaurants. Sarang Oci is very good for fish and Manado cuisine.

If I was on a 3 day stay in Jakarta and could choose any place to stay, I would stay right next to the Kelapa Gading area and hit those places. Kelapa Gading Mall is very close to them as well. It's a one stop shopping center perfectly designed for mongers.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2332483]If I was on a 3 day stay in Jakarta and could choose any place to stay, I would stay right next to the Kelapa Gading area and hit those places. Kelapa Gading Mall is very close to them as well. It's a one stop shopping center perfectly designed for mongers.[/QUOTE]

I have thought about this several times, however I always end up staying in Central Jakarta, because I like the club scene in the night. Would girls from the popular night spots in Central / South Jakarta be open to going with an admirer all the way to Kelapa Gading? I think it might be a challenge, no?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2332545]I have thought about this several times, however I always end up staying in Central Jakarta, because I like the club scene in the night. Would girls from the popular night spots in Central / South Jakarta be open to going with an admirer all the way to Kelapa Gading? I think it might be a challenge, no?[/QUOTE]Sort of depends what you promise her when she gets to Kelapa Gading, If You tell her you caught a lizard it may not work. If it's shopping at Mall Kelapa Gading then you might get your girl.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2332545]I have thought about this several times, however I always end up staying in Central Jakarta, because I like the club scene in the night. Would girls from the popular night spots in Central / South Jakarta be open to going with an admirer all the way to Kelapa Gading? I think it might be a challenge, no?[/QUOTE]If I recall, you mentioned you paid a BATS girl 2.5 million. If you are paying them that much, they will follow you pretty much anywhere.

When I have free lancers come to a place that far away and only pay them 1 million or less for their services, I normally give them an extra 100k for taxi. If they are getting 1.5 million or more, they already have their taxi money.

I have read on the forum that CJ'S and Bats is a good place to find Freelancers. I am going to Bali for a few days after I leave Jakarta. I am thinking of maybe taking a freelancer with me rather than hunting about in Bali. What's the daily rate for a freelancer if I pay all expenses like flights, hotels, food, drink and all entertainment costs.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2332930]If I recall, you mentioned you paid a BATS girl 2.5 million. If you are paying them that much, they will follow you pretty much anywhere.

When I have free lancers come to a place that far away and only pay them 1 million or less for their services, I normally give them an extra 100k for taxi. If they are getting 1.5 million or more, they already have their taxi money.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Perhaps I will stay at Kelapa Gading after all, because I don't mind paying 2. 5 mn for the right girl. And I couldn't care less what others pay.

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2332945]I have read on the forum that CJ'S and Bats is a good place to find Freelancers. I am going to Bali for a few days after I leave Jakarta. I am thinking of maybe taking a freelancer with me rather than hunting about in Bali. What's the daily rate for a freelancer if I pay all expenses like flights, hotels, food, drink and all entertainment costs.[/QUOTE]Aren't you only in Jakarta 3 days? You won't likely have time to find a girl to go to Bali with you in that short time frame. It's a big gamble taking a girl to Bali that you just met.

If you do find one you like enough to take to Bali, it depends how much the girl likes you. Most girls will go to Bali for free (other than you paying all expenses) if they really like you. You may need to pay up to 1 million for "oleh oleh" (gifts) for their family and friends, but won't have to pay them a salary. If they don't really like you, then 2 million rupiah per day for a BATS or CJs girl. I have never given any girl that much, but that is worst case scenario.

[QUOTE=OnTheScene;2332945]I have read on the forum that CJ'S and Bats is a good place to find Freelancers. I am going to Bali for a few days after I leave Jakarta. I am thinking of maybe taking a freelancer with me rather than hunting about in Bali. What's the daily rate for a freelancer if I pay all expenses like flights, hotels, food, drink and all entertainment costs.[/QUOTE]How much time have you got before you get to Jakarta? You coud always use Tinder as an initail means of finding girls and doing some culling before you hit Jakarta. Pay for a months memebership, set yourself up as in Jakarta and away you go. Find a couple of possible candidates, have a couple of "interview" sessions and take the one you like. Sounds rather crude and direct, but the girls on Tinder tend to be only after one thing as well. If your time is short be direct in your intro on Tinder, saying what you are after. You will still get hits. On the other hand you could set yourself up as being in Bali and use t to find girls there.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2333363]How much time have you got before you get to Jakarta? You coud always use Tinder as an initail means of finding girls and doing some culling before you hit Jakarta. Pay for a months memebership, set yourself up as in Jakarta and away you go. Find a couple of possible candidates, have a couple of "interview" sessions and take the one you like. Sounds rather crude and direct, but the girls on Tinder tend to be only after one thing as well. If your time is short be direct in your intro on Tinder, saying what you are after. You will still get hits. On the other hand you could set yourself up as being in Bali and use t to find girls there.[/QUOTE]I have always used Tinder or other similar dating apps only when I am in the city. From what I have heard, most of the girls who area clearly into it for the money, do not like waste time chit chatting with potential customers who may or may never show up. They don't like to be auditioned.

OTOH I believe websites like Indonesian Cupid might hold more promise for this MO.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2333466]I have always used Tinder or other similar dating apps only when I am in the city. From what I have heard, most of the girls who area clearly into it for the money, do not like waste time chit chatting with potential customers who may or may never show up. They don't like to be auditioned.

OTOH I believe websites like Indonesian Cupid might hold more promise for this MO.[/QUOTE]It's horses for courses. Yes there are girls in there that are purely in it for money and they are very easy to spot. There are also plenty of ladies who are just in it for a good time and something different from the normal hum drum life. Haven't been disappointed on what I have organised thru Tinder before arriving. Have stayed clear of the very obvious Bule only, $$ profiles. No talk of money but I do tend to give them a little on top of taxi money, that's me keeping it in the P4 P world in my brain. Have one regular who I will ship to KL if I visit there as the scene in KL has gone to the dogs in my opinion. Have also flown her down to Bali. Return tickets, food and a nice little dress and she's as happy as can be. She just fills here instagram page with pictures of herself sitting by swimming pools in far off places and her friends think she lives the life of a queen!

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2333492]She just fills here instagram page with pictures of herself sitting by swimming pools in far off places and her friends think she lives the life of a queen![/QUOTE]No pictures with you?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333166]Aren't you only in Jakarta 3 days? You won't likely have time to find a girl to go to Bali with you in that short time frame. It's a big gamble taking a girl to Bali that you just met. [/QUOTE]Good point. I will go with Irish Mongrel suggestion and get on Tinder before the trip and do some homework.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2333363]How much time have you got before you get to Jakarta? You coud always use Tinder as an initail means of finding girls and doing some culling before you hit Jakarta. [/QUOTE]Great idea. I have got a few weeks before I leave.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333494]No pictures with you?[/QUOTE]No, she's smart enough not to do that. Don't even think she knows I look at the Instagram Photos page. But at least she's consistent, about 5 years pictures and not a photo of a foreign guy, although has certainly been taken to various expensive places over the years, going by some of the pictures.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2333803]No, she's smart enough not to do that. Don't even think she knows I look at the Instagram Photos page. But at least she's consistent, about 5 years pictures and not a photo of a foreign guy, although has certainly been taken to various expensive places over the years, going by some of the pictures.[/QUOTE]Ya, my girls never post any photos of me on their instagram either. I think it's just an oversight on their part though. They wouldn't exclude the photos of me on purpose.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334013]Ya, my girls never post any photos of me on their instagram either. I think it's just an oversight on their part though. They wouldn't exclude the photos of me on purpose.[/QUOTE]While I'm not opposed to girls sending me selfies in various states of undress, I've never been in to this. I'm struggling to think what positives can come from photos of me, surrouded by hookers and / or in a Asian girlie bar, circulating to everyone with a FB or Insta account. Some guys seem to love it though.

Another case of different guys liking different things.

Enjoy. G.

Same here. I always tell the girls no pictures of me at all, none of us together, and I retain the right to review pics on her phone before she goes. If she points the phone in my general direction and tries to take a snap she is gone.

Most are fine, as mentioned they usually only want pics of themselves in nice hotel rooms, pools. Places nicer than their kampung. When I see profiles of girls with lots photos of them in various hotel rooms / pools I know they are in the game and available for money.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2334634]While I'm not opposed to girls sending me selfies in various states of undress, I've never been in to this. I'm struggling to think what positives can come from photos of me, surrouded by hookers and / or in a Asian girlie bar, circulating to everyone with a FB or Insta account. Some guys seem to love it though.

Another case of different guys liking different things.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

Some girls are initially reluctant to taking photos. They may first suggest selfies of the two of us together. When I agree to this request, using my phone, it always turns into a photo shoot of her solo.

Later after I have returned home, a girl may ask me to send a picture of myself. I usually do not respond and the request is dropped or forgotten. But if I know the girl a long time (years) then I have no problem with her having a my picture usually with her in a public place like a restaurant, shopping mall, or something.

A local Indo guy told me that the dancers at Malioboro are nude again, but that was obviously false. I went there last night and they were not even wearing bikinis, they were wearing body suits. None of them even showed their stomachs. The place had very few customers for a Friday night, and deservedly so.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2333492]It's horses for courses. Yes there are girls in there that are purely in it for money and they are very easy to spot. There are also plenty of ladies who are just in it for a good time and something different from the normal hum drum life. Haven't been disappointed on what I have organised thru Tinder before arriving. Have stayed clear of the very obvious Bule only, $$ profiles. No talk of money but I do tend to give them a little on top of taxi money, that's me keeping it in the P4 P world in my brain. Have one regular who I will ship to KL if I visit there as the scene in KL has gone to the dogs in my opinion. Have also flown her down to Bali. Return tickets, food and a nice little dress and she's as happy as can be. She just fills here instagram page with pictures of herself sitting by swimming pools in far off places and her friends think she lives the life of a queen![/QUOTE]Well think of it this way, Bali is an absolute paradise compared to Jakarta. The only area in Jakarta in my opinion that has nice parks and grassed areas in Jakarta, is the area that Dufan fantasi is located in (I forget the name of the district) and on top of that, it's a gated community and you need to pay to get in! Bali has a lot more going on, and even the Indos of Jakarta think it's radically better to spend time than Jakarta. I don't think many Jakartans take many holidays either.

Hi! Never been in Jakarta but will go in some weeks. What is the price of a girl at l=places like Hotel Clasic, Travel or Alexis? How about BBBJ with these girls? Thanks for helping!

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2336352]Hi! Never been in Jakarta but will go in some weeks. What is the price of a girl at l=places like Hotel Clasic, Travel or Alexis? How about BBBJ with these girls? Thanks for helping![/QUOTE]Good question! I don't think I can recall the prices at Classic and Travel ever being asked and answered here. I'm looking forward to the answer.

I do know that Alexis closed over a year ago.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2336358]Good question! I don't think I can recall the prices at Classic and Travel ever being asked and answered here. I'm looking forward to the answer.

I do know that Alexis closed over a year ago.[/QUOTE]Classic and Travel prices are within the same range. At Classic, expect to pay around 450,000 IDR (this is not the exact amount, but fairly close).
If you are paying with a Credit card, a fee of 2 or 3% is added to the total amount.

There is no "official" policy regarding BBBJ. It depends on the girl. Some girls will refuse upfront. Others will negotiate the "Tip" with you.
You should ask the girl directly before you make your final selection. Sometimes, the Mamasan can help overcome the language barrier.

BKKguru

I know it is the norm to want to bang the young and the beautiful. I kind of like variety sometimes and like to bang a older beautiful woman.

I hear eastern promise is the place to find such girls. I would be grateful if anyone could confirm this with personal experience and if there are other places. Would be grateful for any inputs.

Thanks in advance.

Had a little break last night and headed over to be Fashion Hotel at 9:30 PM for a little massage and hanky panky. Arrived and found a small lobby nicely done. Elevators to the 9th floor where the spa is. Noticed that there's a club on the 3rd floor and lots of sexily dressed girls around. Didn't get a chance to investigate if they were available or just there with their guy.

At the 9th floor, I was asked if I wanted a massage or freelance. For some dumb reason I thought she meant freelance massage wilhich I had never heard of before. So I said freelance. I get ushered into a large lounge much like travel hotel except theres only 20 girls there and nobody else. Wow, talk about being put on the spot.

Since my back and shoulders were really aching, I walked out and asked for the massage instead. I understood what freelance meant immediately and though the girls looked gorgeous, I decided to reserve that for another time. At the massage, I was asked to choose from who is available and wow none of the girls really did it for me. So massage Mama who was different from Lounge Mama recommended one who was just ending her shift. I agreed sight unseen and asked to go shower in the locker room. When I returned, I saw my girl and she looked great.

Now comes selecting the packages. Upfront ask on if I wanted make love or blowjob. Both I said. Make love is 420 k and blowjob is 330 k. Both is 750 k. Plus 320 k for massage. Total is 1,070,000. It's a little pricier than I anticipated but I'm there to check it out. OK.

Decent massage 45 minutes, flip, and the nipple kissing and LFK begins. She brought out the condom and I asked her to wait that until after my BBBJ. She said she never does a BBBJ. Ok. She puts on the cover and gives me a CBJ. I switch around in five minutes and start doing a very erotic DATY on her. She's loving it. Tasty DATY too. I'm going down all tongue everywhere and she's simply pure cream now. So hot. I put her into a 69 and had taken off the condom. She knows this. I've been just sending her to paradise for 15 minutes now and she's had enough. Grabs ahold of my bare dick and gobbles it down in the sweetest BBBJ. We please each other like this for another 5 minutes until she squeezes her legs together from her splayed open position and screams with my dick deep in her mouth.

I switch around and rub my cock bare on her pussy and she says condom while squirming away. We put the cover on and it's hanging for 25 minutes straight multiple positions. Seeing her pretty face and her sexy body in those erotic positions and moves was so perfect.

The phone rings and she's now telling me time is up. I pound hard for another 5 to 10 minutes until I unload. Shower, dress, and out. I hand her 200 k which she's happy with. I give Mama 50 k and I'm hoping I'm golden for next time.

All in all, this was an expensive fuck with massage. Maybe overpaid by 300 k but I got lucky that the provider was pretty, young, and had a fantastic body. Would love to try the freelance girls but all I was able to understand was 850 k. I don't know if that's all in or what and for how long. I also couldn't see all the beauties in the lounge but I remember many long slender bodies and big smiles.

A notch above Kota Indah in some ways. A notch below in some.

Anyone know if the club is like CJ's and the girls are available to go? Also, any stories worth telling about this joint from other hobbyists?

Bender.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2336352]Hi! Never been in Jakarta but will go in some weeks. What is the price of a girl at l=places like Hotel Clasic, Travel or Alexis? How about BBBJ with these girls? Thanks for helping![/QUOTE]On another forum, a member was there last week and paid 350,000 idr for ST from the 5th floor. BBBJ was included, no mentioned of it being extra service. IDK, I'm reading different premium from all over the place. Travel being slightly less than Classic, especially for 2 ladies. I'll be there in 3 weeks, so we'll see.

I never really keep track of all the prices but I am certain that Classic and Travel as well as New Medika and every place in Kota Indah are all under 400k. I believe the highest is 380k but like I said the amount is so little I really don't keep track. If your budget is tighter there are areas like Ruko Robinson and the bars near the old Illigals like Berlian where pricing is 300k IIRC.

These prices apply to the regular bar girls, not the girls who are in the spa or freelancers. For instance, Classic spa girls are 800k IIRC and freelancers at Royal in Kota Indah are up to 1 million I believe. Most at the 600k to 800k range.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2336779]Now comes selecting the packages. Upfront ask on if I wanted make love or blowjob. Both I said. Make love is 420 k and blowjob is 330 k. Both is 750 k. Plus 320 k for massage. Total is 1,070,000. It's a little pricier than I anticipated but I'm there to check it out. OK.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the review of B Fashion, 330k for a BJ seems a lot as an add on especially when the girl initially tries giving you BBBJ.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2336908]I never really keep track of all the prices but I am certain that Classic and Travel as well as New Medika and every place in Kota Indah are all under 400k. I believe the highest is 380k but like I said the amount is so little I really don't keep track. [/QUOTE]I don't know about that. I saw your Nanda chick at Starmoon the other day. She has lost her luster and looks tired now. Still has good tits for such a tiny body. Maybe it was just that day, but she looks 10 years older now. She has changed her number from 88 to "FL 59", so she is now a free lancer. That means she is no longer 380 K, she is 430 K after 8pm. I don't think there's much talent in Starmoon, so I didn't partake at all. I did see some good talent in Royal and Sariayu though. I loved the VIP room at Royal, damn nice. It's over 400 K for that room for sure, but I forget how much over 400. I hate the shitty cheaper rooms. If they don't have VIP in those Kota Indah bars, I don't even want to go upstairs. The rooms at MTR and LA are pathetic and Starmoon isn't much better. Royal and Sariayu rooms are nice.

Of course rooms at Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel are nicer and the same price as KI. I had a great chick at Classic the other day. I may marry her.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2336970] She has changed her number from 88 to "FL 59", so she is now a free lancer. That means she is no longer 380 K, she is 430 K after 8pm. [/QUOTE]Yep that $3 sure is a deal breaker. . . . LOL.

Reminds me of the time I stayed in Sengiggi, Lombok and the dive shop wanted to make sure I was good for the extra 15 k per day to take me to Gili vs the local dive sites.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2336982]Yep that $3 sure is a deal breaker. . . . LOL.[/QUOTE]It's closer to $3.50

Then another 100k for tip! So total is now a whopping 530K!

I was in Jakarta for work last week and managed to get in a few days for the hobby. The trip reminds me why I love this city so much. In all over a 4 day period, I had 3 girls I met on Tinder visit me. 2 were free, while 1 was P4 P. I paid her 600 k for a 3 hour session with 2 pops. The free ones were remarkably better in every department. I went to Classic once and had an excellent session. My bill came to 485 K all inclusive for the girl, my beer and a drink for the girl. I gave the mami 20 k. I tipped the girl 50 k. I also went once to Sumo in Kelapa Gading, where after a very relaxing time at the spa I picked a massage girl in the 490 k category (there are 4 categories). Very tiny rooms, but great massage and decent sex. 50 k tip. I went to CJ's on 2 nights. Day 1 I picked a girl named Anita for 1. 6 mio. Day 2 I picked a girl named Lina for 1. 8 mio. I gave 200 k tip to both girls, since both of them did not rush and stayed well beyond noon the following day. Both had cracking bodies, loved sex, gave good BBBJs, had great friendly attitudes and never once haggled about money.

I was staying at Rasuna Said, which made travel to Classic and Kelapa Gading a bit of a chore, but for everything else it was perfect.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2337032] I went to Classic once and had an excellent session. I gave the mami 20 k. I tipped the girl 50 k. [/QUOTE]I never give the mamasan any tip in Hotel Classic. The mamasans there are crap. The mamasans already get a good cut of the girl's money for doing nothing. Since you say it was an excellent session, the normal tip for those girls is 100 K. Even the locals give that much.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2337032]I went to CJ's on 2 nights. Day 1 I picked a girl named Anita for 1.6 mio. Day 2 I picked a girl named Lina for 1.8 mio. [/QUOTE]You had better luck than me. I went to CJs the other night and it was absolutely packed. Lots of attractive girls, but way too many guys there that night. I found the best looking girl in the place and was chatting with her. Her English was amazingly good. When it came time to go home, I asked her if she wanted to go home with me and she asked how much I was going to pay her. As we negotiated back and forth, she would not go below 2 million. There was no way I was going to pay 2 million rupiah because I have never paid that much, so I let her go. 30 seconds after I left her, another guy approached her and they left together 10 minutes later. Obviously someone is willing to pay 2 million. Sadly. So I went on the search again and found a less attractive girl (they were all less attractive than the first girl), but she was still pretty hot. She had a great attitude and was willing to go home with me for 1.3 million. However, when we got to my place she said she was too tired for sex since she had too much to drink. She claimed she had gone there with friends for a party and had a lot to drink before she met me. She wanted to sleep first and have sex in the morning. Screw that. I threw her out. I like to have sex, then sleep alone. I am not a sleep first together with a stranger then have sex in the morning type of guy. I've never been into morning sex. Their makeup has worn off and it's just not as hot.

I'm still glad I didn't give that hot girl 2 million. Point of principle. That's too much money to be giving these girls. Hell, that's $150 usd. And I did have fun that night even though I didn't have sex.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337069]You had better luck than me. I went to CJs the other night and it was absolutely packed. Lots of attractive girls, but way too many guys there that night. I found the best looking girl in the place and was chatting with her. Her English was amazingly good. When it came time to go home, I asked her if she wanted to go home with me and she asked how much I was going to pay her. As we negotiated back and forth, she would not go below 2 million. There was no way I was going to pay 2 million rupiah because I have never paid that much, so I let her go. 30 seconds after I left her, another guy approached her and they left together 10 minutes later. Obviously someone is willing to pay 2 million. Sadly. So I went on the search again and found a less attractive girl (they were all less attractive than the first girl), but she was still pretty hot. She had a great attitude and was willing to go home with me for 1.3 million. However, when we got to my place she said she was too tired for sex since she had too much to drink. She claimed she had gone there with friends for a party and had a lot to drink before she met me. She wanted to sleep first and have sex in the morning. Screw that. I threw her out. I like to have sex, then sleep alone. I am not a sleep first together with a stranger then have sex in the morning type of guy. I've never been into morning sex. Their makeup has worn off and it's just not as hot.

I'm still glad I didn't give that hot girl 2 million. Point of principle. That's too much money to be giving these girls. Hell, that's $150 usd. And I did have fun that night even though I didn't have sex.[/QUOTE]I rather walk away any day, its not like you've never fucked a cute hooker before and won't ever again, I know you know that.

I believe in holding my head up high, I could have a large amount of cash on me which I sometimes do, at least at the beginning of a mongering trip (it could be $5000-$10000).

And I'm still not paying $1 usd over what I think is my maximum price in whatever given venue I'm in, self respect will allow me to sleep better, overpaying for a 3rd world hooker will make me feel like a fucking chump!!

Where's the fun in that.

So $150 in Jakarta? LOL that sounds crazy? To even ask those prices I hope she was a 10 and was offering PSE include anal.

I thought Jakarta was a bargain? I wouldn't pay $150 in bkk for the hottest girl in any bar or thermae, unless she wants to stay in my room for a couple days to earn that LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2336970] I saw your Nanda chick at Starmoon the other day. She has lost her luster and looks tired now. Still has good tits for such a tiny body. Maybe it was just that day, but she looks 10 years older now. She has changed her number from 88 to "FL 59", so she is now a free lancer. That means she is no longer 380 K, she is 430 K after 8pm. I don't think there's much talent in Starmoon, so I didn't partake at all. I did see some good talent in Royal and Sariayu though. I loved the VIP room at Royal, damn nice. It's over 400 K for that room for sure, but I forget how much over 400. I hate the shitty cheaper rooms. If they don't have VIP in those Kota Indah bars, I don't even want to go upstairs. The rooms at MTR and LA are pathetic and Starmoon isn't much better. Royal and Sariayu rooms are nice.
[/QUOTE]I dumped Nanda last Fall. Well actually she dumped me after seeing me go with another girl. She got extremely jealous. Good for her to now be a 430 k FL. Hope she gets at least 10 k more in her cut for that. Service wise she deserves the higher rate. Given the lack of talent at Starmoon lately she is still arguably the best girl there combining looks and service.

I have been in the Royal VIP room. My FL costed 600 k.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337306]I dumped Nanda last Fall. Well actually she dumped me after seeing me go with another girl. She got extremely jealous. Good for her to now be a 430 k FL. Hope she gets at least 10 k more in her cut for that. Service wise she deserves the higher rate. Given the lack of talent at Starmoon lately she is still arguably the best girl there combining looks and service.[/QUOTE]She's a decent actress. She has the fake moans mastered. I only went with her once, but I thought she was good. I wouldn't repeat with her because she's too damn skinny and the skin on her butt is so dark it's a bit of a turn off during doggy.

She's definitely not as good looking as before.

I've had plenty of girls refuse to go with me anymore after I took another girl when they thought I was only interested in them. It's disappointing at first, but works out better in the long run.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337063]I never give the mamasan any tip in Hotel Classic. The mamasans there are crap. The mamasans already get a good cut of the girl's money for doing nothing. Since you say it was an excellent session, the normal tip for those girls is 100 K. Even the locals give that much.[/QUOTE]Maybe the mami get a cut, but this one was nice to me. No rush, showed me at least 6 different girls before I made a pick, No pushing for a drink for herself, no pushing to go to the room. I felt she earned her tip, and its a princely sum of 20 k. LOL.

As for girl tips, well. I ain't local. What matters is the girl was happy with what I gave her and asked me if I would see her again. I would if I had the time. We exchanged numbers and she has been texting, so I guess she is truly satisfied with that tip. But point taken. Another 50 k would not make a huge dent in my budget.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2337078]I rather walk away any day, its not like you've never fucked a cute hooker before and won't ever again, I know you know that. I believe in holding my head up high, I could have a large amount of cash on me which I sometimes do, at least at the beginning of a mongering trip (it could be $5000-$10000). And I'm still not paying $1 usd over what I think is my maximum price in whatever given venue I'm in, self respect will allow me to sleep better, overpaying for a 3rd world hooker will make me feel like a fucking chump!!

Where's the fun in that. So $150 in Jakarta? LOL that sounds crazy? To even ask those prices I hope she was a 10 and was offering PSE include anal. I thought Jakarta was a bargain? I wouldn't pay $150 in bkk for the hottest girl in any bar or thermae, unless she wants to stay in my room for a couple days to earn that LOL.[/QUOTE]This post cracks me up. Some wise man said ". And in the end when your whole life flashes in front of your eyes, you will only regret the things you did not do. ".

And all the money in the world will not buy you one extra minute.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337069]You had better luck than me. I went to CJs the other night and it was absolutely packed. Lots of attractive girls, but way too many guys there that night.

Screw that. I threw her out. I like to have sex, then sleep alone. I am not a sleep first together with a stranger then have sex in the morning type of guy. I've never been into morning sex. Their makeup has worn off and it's just not as hot.

I'm still glad I didn't give that hot girl 2 million. Point of principle. That's too much money to be giving these girls. Hell, that's $150 usd. And I did have fun that night even though I didn't have sex.[/QUOTE]Which day was it? Friday night was great, and so was Saturday night, when they were handing out some silly chocolate on a stick for Father's Day. Imagine a monger's horror at that.

I love morning sex. But you did the right thing, I would have probably done the same.

I am still at a loss to understand how is $150 too much money? Maybe it is a local vs visitor thing. You would not get a sniff of a girl's panties from Brix for that price in Singapore. It is all relative I guess.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2337394]Some wise man said ". And in the end when your whole life flashes in front of your eyes, you will only regret the things you did not do. ". And all the money in the world will not buy you one extra minute.[/QUOTE]A brilliant perspective! I could not agree more except that I don't have to wait for the end of my life for regrets to set in. They usually hit me at the end of a trip in the form of "the girl that got away. " But maybe I am learning a thing or two from past mistakes because I had no such regrets from my last trip, although I still recall couple of "girls that got away" from previous trips.

Like a sexy, tight little bodied, bombshell Ethiopian spinner that I met one night in Spasso back in Oct 2018. Man was she hot! Not a typical African girl in any way. She kind of reminded me of some Brazilian bikini string beach girls I knew back in the day. But the night I met her; I had already had a session a little bit earlier so I foolishly told Miss Addis Ababa I would see her the next night even though she said she might not come back to the bar tomorrow night. For some reason her words did not resonate, "not come back" on Saturday night, to see me; no way! LOL. And of course, I never saw her again / never got another chance to do her. Hence the regret. She was my 2018 girl I let get away.

Then there was another notable girl / girls that got away situation that occurred in Rio Sauna in Macau the 1st time I saw their new classification of girls the sauna called "Super Models" as opposed to just "regular models" which in the past had always been of the highest quality. Anyway, the sauna had 4 "Super Models" in the lineup off to the side that night comprised of 2 Korean girls and 2 Chinese girls and they were gorgeous and nearly flawless. The only reason I passed on them was my sticker shock from their outrageous price of 3,600 mop each which blew me away, so I choose a Chinese regular model girl instead who was pretty and nice, but not spectacular. LOL. Man, I still remember those "Super Model" girls. They were that hot! and I can barely recall what the girl I took looked like. She is a fading memory. The final coup de gras is that the 1000 mop price difference between the regular Chinese model I took and the "super models" I passed on means nothing to me now. Not a thing!

So needless to say that when I returned to Macau a couple of years later in November of 2018, I did not let a little thing like money stand in the way of my picking the sexiest girl (s) in the lineup which turned out to be 2 very attractive, thin, very tall, natural c cup, Chinese girls. In fact, I took the 1st super model, Xiao Yu on two different nights and 2nd super model, Chin Chin once, I spent a small fortune on those two yet I have absolutely no regrets about it, just a great memory of getting rimmed, 69'ing, and shagging a couple of super-hot Chinese girls. Incidentally, Xiao Yu and I still text each other. I am thinking we may hook up again in Macau or somewhere else like Singapore or Hong Kong one day. Who knows?

So, George Best said it well, "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. ".

But honors go to WC Fields who said it very well at least 40 years earlier, "I spent half my money on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The other half I wasted. ".

I can only add: never spend more than you can truly afford, but within that unspecified amount, spend freely, or as much as you want, and have a great time, no regrets. You only go around once. Live it!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2337394]This post cracks me up. Some wise man said ". And in the end when your whole life flashes in front of your eyes, you will only regret the things you did not do. ".

And all the money in the world will not buy you one extra minute.[/QUOTE]My philosophy exactly. I work fucking hard through the year for the once a year opportunity I have to play. I am fucked if I am going to nickle and dime anything whilst I am on a holiday break. It's my money and I will spend as I see fit.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2337469]My philosophy exactly. I work fucking hard through the year for the once a year opportunity I have to play. I am fucked if I am going to nickle and dime anything whilst I am on a holiday break. It's my money and I will spend as I see fit.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't call refusing to overpay a girl by 50 USD "nickel-and-diming". Maybe call it "50 and 100 US dollar-ing".

Considering I am in Jakarta much of the time these days, and these girls do talk to each other discussing how much we give them, I would be a fool to give any girl that much. It would just drive up the price for any other girl I meet in the future at the place or even in other places around town.

I do not regret in the least not giving that girl 2 million rupiah. She may have been good looking and nice to talk with, but when the topic of money came up she was too controlling. My guess is that would have translated into the bed as well and she would have been a crap shag. The other girl that night may have been less attractive, but she still was quite sexy and a lot more fun. Then again, she wanted to sleep rather than shag when we got home. LOL. These things happen.

I had a 20 year old girl over yesterday who is a model in Jakarta and Bali and one of the hottest indo girls I've ever met. She only wanted 1 million and is far more attractive than the 2 million chick in CJs. I did end up giving her 1. 3 million rather than 1 million before she left because she was with me 6 hours and was very entertaining and good in bed.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2337429]So, George Best said it well, "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."[/QUOTE]That's my motto as well. I still won't overpay a girl in Jakarta though. Too much pussy around to be doing that.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337507]I wouldn't call refusing to overpay a girl by 50 USD "nickel-and-diming". Maybe call it "50 and 100 US dollar-ing".

Considering I am in Jakarta much of the time these days, and these girls do talk to each other discussing how much we give them, I would be a fool to give any girl that much. It would just drive up the price for any other girl I meet in the future at the place or even in other places around town.

I do not regret in the least not giving that girl 2 million rupiah. She may have been good looking and nice to talk with, but when the topic of money came up she was too controlling. My guess is that would have translated into the bed as well and she would have been a crap shag. The other girl that night may have been less attractive, but she still was quite sexy and a lot more fun. Then again, she wanted to sleep rather than shag when we got home. LOL. These things happen..[/QUOTE]The hooker that wants to be overpaid, is also always going to want to provide as little as possible.

I have to steal something Mr tooms said recently.

Well DR was saying back in May 2019 he likes to fuck hot women, and was somehow equating the experience to driving a Porsche.

And mr tooms made the point, he rather be the Porsche than the driver.

I agree, I think guys with healthy self respect want the hooker to impress us.

We prefer to be "worshiped" rather than be worshiping some 3rd world hooker.

Go into a club like mr Smoothy said the hooker wanted 2 million in the other night.

Well he said no, she found some sucker to give her that 2 million.

I'm willing to bet every penny I have and everything I own.

His self esteem is way lower than yours, there seems to be a perverse dynamic in brothels (social inversion).

I think many times hookers are repelled by guys with high self esteem.

And guys with the lowest self esteem in a brothel are probably the most likely to.

Session with the "most expensive hookers" lowest yield in the brothel (she knows how to find an easy mark).

I have never seen this in such a dramatic fashion as did in Sharks in Darmstadt!

This is not a hunch LOL.

I have seen it everywhere I go!

Tijuana is horrible LosAngeles is horrible! Et al!

Somebody was saying the other day its her job to read you and what you want.

She read you, you wanted to pay less than sucker price and get a great session for a fair price.

She's looking for a chump to pay sucker price (and accept any bullshit session she feels like "providing".

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337069]You had better luck than me. I went to CJs the other night and it was absolutely packed. Lots of attractive girls, but way too many guys there that night. I found the best looking girl in the place and was chatting with her. Her English was amazingly good. When it came time to go home, I asked her if she wanted to go home with me and she asked how much I was going to pay her. As we negotiated back and forth, she would not go below 2 million. There was no way I was going to pay 2 million rupiah because I have never paid that much, so I let her go. 30 seconds after I left her, another guy approached her and they left together 10 minutes later. Obviously someone is willing to pay 2 million. Sadly. So I went on the search again and found a less attractive girl (they were all less attractive than the first girl), but she was still pretty hot. She had a great attitude and was willing to go home with me for 1.3 million. However, when we got to my place she said she was too tired for sex since she had too much to drink. She claimed she had gone there with friends for a party and had a lot to drink before she met me. She wanted to sleep first and have sex in the morning. Screw that. I threw her out. I like to have sex, then sleep alone..[/QUOTE]Not a ringing endorsement for CJs.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337509]That's my motto as well. I still won't overpay a girl in Jakarta though. Too much pussy around to be doing that.[/QUOTE]I don't like to overpay either. I think it is a tell that maybe the girl in question might not be so good later on in bed. That's why I stay aware of the current price range in all the various venues that I intend to take in. I won't overpay, but I will pay the top end of the price range if I want/like the girl. Jakarta can be very inexpensive or it can be expensive. It depends where you go and who you choose.

But I am a little surprised that the CJ's girl in your report did not offer you an expat rate or at least come down a little from her 2 mill initial offer. Just curious; but when the subject comes up in conversion as it usually does, " do you work here in Jakarta?" If your honest response is not worth something tangible to the girl and result in a good rate to you a majority of the time. I would think smart, working FL's would value Expats and Foreign Employee customers over short stay tourists any night in the week. Potential repeat business.

I had a chance to visit Jakarta last week, went to see the scene in Kota Indah.

Day one. Late afternoon, Starmoon Bar and Grand MTR.

Starmoon: traditional fishbowl setup, about 20 girls, at least 10 eminently doable. Picked Fita, 20 YO, little English, quite friendly and enterprising, but not a lot of experience. 350 K + 100 K tip.

Grand MTR: bar style, with about 30 girls packed at one end. Very good selection. After a couple of beers I went to Mariyang, 27 YO, a bit soft around the middle. Speaks good English, good service, has definitely been around the block a few times. 120 K in beers, 390 K +100 K tip for the rest.

Day two: LA bar and Sariya just on front of LA.

LA: small, friendly atmosphere, about 20 girls at one end of the place. Went for Anisa, 19 YO, stunning body, no English and a bit of a starfish. But a very, very good looking starfish. Prices as above.

Sariya: a bit larger, about 30 girls. Selected Fitri, 23 YO, small and slim and cute, but, in retrospective, a bad choice. She's in the wrong business, not enjoying herself at all. Again about 600 K in total, with a beer or two.

Getting there and back: just call a bluebird via their app, no issues. They picked me up in front of the bar. Bad traffic though, the taxi round-trip (from mega kuningan) costs as much as the "entertainment".

Overall impression. Good prices, good selection, but as always the youngest / prettiest are seldom the most fun to be with.

All the best.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2337655]I don't like to overpay either. I think it is a tell that maybe the girl in question might not be so good later on in bed. That's why I stay aware of the current price range in all the various venues that I intend to take in. I won't overpay, but I will pay the top end of the price range if I want/like the girl. Jakarta can be very inexpensive or it can be expensive. It depends where you go and who you choose.

But I am a little surprised that the CJ's girl in your report did not offer you an expat rate or at least come down a little from her 2 mill initial offer. Just curious; but when the subject comes up in conversion as it usually does, " do you work here in Jakarta?" If your honest response is not worth something tangible to the girl and result in a good rate to you a majority of the time. I would think smart, working FL's would value Expats and Foreign Employee customers over short stay tourists any night in the week. Potential repeat business.[/QUOTE]I think the top girls are fairly spoiled at CJs. They only care about getting their 2 million for their services. Obviously that girl had no problem picking up another guy very quickly, so I doubt she needs the local expats. The mediocre girls are a different story, they would love to have an expat regular. But who wants them?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337808]I think the top girls are fairly spoiled at CJs. They only care about getting their 2 million for their services. Obviously that girl had no problem picking up another guy very quickly, so I doubt she needs the local expats. The mediocre girls are a different story, they would love to have an expat regular. But who wants them?[/QUOTE]I don't mean to poke you in the eye here, but if I put this post against the backdrop of your recent account at CJs I would be inclined to assume you did go home that night with a mediocre girl. And had an even poorer experience.

Later you justify all that happened by saying that the girl who stuck to her 2 mi price might have anyways been a dud in the sack. Maybe, maybe not. You will never know. And in the end it was probably $40 - $50 that got in the way. Which will mean nothing on the day of reckoning.

We can all be macho and say we regret absolutely nothing, and you might actually believe it yourself if you repeat it often enough. But the wise men know better.

Now, don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy
Dust in the wind
All we are is dust in the wind

Very well portrait! Bottom line is, we pay either way. Whether with money or with regrets and I would rather pay with money rather than having a savings account of regret that will accumulate interest in a very higher rate as my flight gains higher altitudes.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2337429]A brilliant perspective! I could not agree more except that I don't have to wait for the end of my life for regrets to set in. They usually hit me at the end of a trip in the form of "the girl that got away. " But maybe I am learning a thing or two from past mistakes because I had no such regrets from my last trip, although I still recall couple of "girls that got away" from previous trips.

Like a sexy, tight little bodied, bombshell Ethiopian spinner that I met one night in Spasso back in Oct 2018. Man was she hot! Not a typical African girl in any way. She kind of reminded me of some Brazilian bikini string beach girls I knew back in the day. But the night I met her; I had already had a session a little bit earlier so I foolishly told Miss Addis Ababa I would see her the next night even though she said she might not come back to the bar tomorrow night. For some reason her words did not resonate, "not come back" on Saturday night, to see me; no way! LOL. And of course, I never saw her again / never got another chance to do her. Hence the regret. She was my 2018 girl I let get away..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2337855]Later you justify all that happened by saying that the girl who stuck to her 2 mi price might have anyways been a dud in the sack. Maybe, maybe not. You will never know. And in the end it was probably $40 - $50 that got in the way. [/QUOTE]Multiply that by about 100 and you would be accurate about the money that got in the way. Had I taken that girl, I would have set the standard for all other girls I took home at 2 million rupiah for the night from that point on. Negotiating below that would have been difficult going forward for me. These girls all gossip and know when guys overpay. Also, I just couldn't live with myself knowing I gave any girl here that much money for a short time. It's insane money for Jakarta. I would say the hot girl was a 7 and the girl I took was a 6, the hot one just happened to be the hottest in the place that night. I don't think much was lost, if anything. I was willing to go 1.5 that night simply because we were in CJs and prices are escalated there. If that same hot girl from that night were to call me today and offer to come to my place for 1.5 million, I would turn that down. But if she wanted to come for 1 million, I would be ok with it. I have a much hotter one coming over in an hour for 1 million.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337960]Multiply that by about 100 and you would be accurate about the money that got in the way. Had I taken that girl, I would have set the standard for all other girls I took home at 2 million rupiah for the night from that point on. Negotiating below that would have been difficult going forward for me. These girls all gossip and know when guys overpay. Also, I just couldn't live with myself knowing I gave any girl here that much money for a short time. It's insane money for Jakarta. I would say the hot girl was a 7 and the girl I took was a 6, the hot one just happened to be the hottest in the place that night. I don't think much was lost, if anything. I was willing to go 1.5 that night simply because we were in CJs and prices are escalated there. If that same hot girl from that night were to call me today and offer to come to my place for 1.5 million, I would turn that down. But if she wanted to come for 1 million, I would be ok with it. I have a much hotter one coming over in an hour for 1 million.[/QUOTE]The first rule of any transaction or negotiation is that you need to be prepared to walk away which is what you did to good effect.

I can understand guys that are in town for a weekend or fortnight being happy to pay up for what they want but when you live there and the same girl will be available any number of nights moving forward then what's the urgency? Just wait until the timing and pricing is right for both of you.

We often hear guys saying 'it's my money I can spend it how I please'. I agree with this but equally people can refuse to spend their money as they see fit. It's the same argument.

Enjoy. G.

Guys,

Why go to expense of flying to Asia to pay western prices, I set my price limit accordingly. I too would walk away, but I have a lot of time on my hands.

[QUOTE=PeraXXX;2337684]Grand MTR: bar style, with about 30 girls packed at one end. Very good selection. After a couple of beers I went to Mariyang, 27 YO, a bit soft around the middle. Speaks good English, good service, has definitely been around the block a few times. 120 K in beers, 390 K +100 K tip for the rest.[/QUOTE]Very good selection? That's odd, I dropped into MTR last week and I thought the selection was poor. I walked to the back area where the girls are located and they were all seated packed in like sardines as usual there so you can't tell what they really look like. I asked the mamasan to show me some lineups. She pulled girls out 5 at a time and lined them up standing in front of me. I had about 6 lineups and did not choose a girl. I didn't see any in there I liked.

I will say though that 20 years ago, MTR was fantastic. The talent they had back then was awesome and the rooms were the same rooms they have now except 20 years newer. LOL.

You can find gems anywhere in Jakarta and the girls move around so much that you never know what the talent will be one month to the next. Hotel Classic pretty consistently has pretty girls, the rest of the places are up and down.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2337983]The first rule of any transaction or negotiation is that you need to be prepared to walk away which is what you did to good effect.

I can understand guys that are in town for a weekend or fortnight being happy to pay up for what they want but when you live there and the same girl will be available any number of nights moving forward then what's the urgency? Just wait until the timing and pricing is right for both of you.

We often hear guys saying 'it's my money I can spend it how I please'. I agree with this but equally people can refuse to spend their money as they see fit. It's the same argument.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Don't you think there's a massive problem with this attitude?

I hear them saying "fuck you" I don't care if my behavior harms all other mongers.

As opposed to those of us refusing to overpay, which helps all mongers!!

And yes even if on a tight schedule, there's never an acceptable excuse, never.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2337987]Guys,

Why go to expense of flying to Asia to pay western prices, {Snip}[/QUOTE]You obviously haven't had much to do with the fat arse heffers on offer in the US, UK, Australia. ?

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2338199]Don't you think there's a massive problem with this attitude?
[/QUOTE]I'm not sure which of my statements you took exception to.

I'll stand by the need to be able to walk away if the conditions aren't right. It's a pretty basic negotiation skill.

I see gross over paying only affecting guys that are doing the same. These guys are seen as easy marks by the girls and are treated differently to those guys who know the going rates and are not willing to pay stupid prices. I tried to emphasis in my post that this especially applies to long term residents or frequent visitors as the girls know that these guys know the prevailing conditions and there is no point in trying for more. I know of many places that have been overrun by fly in tourists or visitors where the girls are charging these guys top prices yet still meeting local residents for a fraction of these prices and often giving better service thrown into the bargain.

Longer term, I think the inflationary pressure of a few guys overpaying is exaggerated. If we look at Pattaya and Bali, where tourist numbers have exploded and the proportion of high paying Asian visitors has increased, a knowledgable hunter can still get cut price services. This Forum has many posts of sub 300 kRp or 1000 be sessions with decent looking girls.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337960]Multiply that by about 100 and you would be accurate about the money that got in the way. Had I taken that girl, I would have set the standard for all other girls I took home at 2 million rupiah for the night from that point on. Negotiating below that would have been difficult going forward for me. These girls all gossip and know when guys overpay. Also, I just couldn't live with myself knowing I gave any girl here that much money for a short time. It's insane money for Jakarta. I would say the hot girl was a 7 and the girl I took was a 6, the hot one just happened to be the hottest in the place that night. I don't think much was lost, if anything. I was willing to go 1.5 that night simply because we were in CJs and prices are escalated there. If that same hot girl from that night were to call me today and offer to come to my place for 1.5 million, I would turn that down. But if she wanted to come for 1 million, I would be ok with it. I have a much hotter one coming over in an hour for 1 million.[/QUOTE]I just finished an extended mongering trip, I'm guessing I had at least 200+ sessions.

You mention a 6 and a 7.

I see desperate duan as the type that sees that if you pay say $50 for the "6" and that means the hottest girl is that "7" and now she's worth exponentially more than the "6".

Because hes going to walk out with the hottest girl in the place.

How much more is a "7" worth over a "6" just based on optics alone, I say not much.

I'm guessing he would pay just about any price she wants, because she is now thee hottest girl in the place!!

I'm a little surprised at how many guys on here say they would gladly overpay for the girl. I can remember a time when every guy on the forum would have refused that girl. No wonder prices have gone so high.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338007]Very good selection? That's odd, I dropped into MTR last week and I thought the selection was poor.[/QUOTE]I live in Thailand, and am used to the places & prices you see around Phetburi, Rama9 and mid-Sukhumvit. Looking from that perspective, I thought these places were pretty good indeed.

Will try classic next time I have a chance, thanks for the suggestion. I also remember Jakarta 15 years ago (last time I was there), this city has always been the one I remember most fondly in SE. Asia.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338354]I'm a little surprised at how many guys on here say they would gladly overpay for the girl. I can remember a time when every guy on the forum would have refused that girl. No wonder prices have gone so high.[/QUOTE]My self-respect is enhanced / reinforced each time a girl agrees to less money than 99.999999999999% of the guys in any venue I'm in.

Maybe the only guy usually doing better than me is the bar owner? Lmao.

My goal is to pay less than everyone else and get more! Lmao!

I am amazed at how many guys here behave like penny pinchers and keep walking away. Though I can't remember a time when every guy would agree to overpay, I do wonder why more and more girls in SEA are showing a marked preference to Asian punters.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2337987]Guys,

Why go to expense of flying to Asia to pay western prices, I set my price limit accordingly. I too would walk away, but I have a lot of time on my hands.[/QUOTE]Keep walking away enough times and that is all you will have plenty of in your hands. Time.

In the meantime the ones with lesser concerns about spending that extra $50 (or $50 multiplied by 100) would be cavorting with a little naked cutie, willing to do all their bidding.

Your choice.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2338460]Keep walking away enough times and that is all you will have plenty of in your hands. Time.

In the meantime the ones with lesser concerns about spending that extra $50 (or $50 multiplied by 100) would be cavorting with a little naked cutie, willing to do all their bidding.

Your choice.[/QUOTE]I'm spending 6+ months out there at a time, I can afford to walk, also getting enough freebies time but I agree my choice.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2338460]
In the meantime the ones with lesser concerns about spending that extra $50 (or $50 multiplied by 100) would be cavorting with a little naked cutie, willing to do all their bidding.

Your choice.[/QUOTE]It's a big assumption that more paid = a better sesson.

My experience has been that the highly sought after, over priced and super attractive generally give worse service, not better.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2338458]I am amazed at how many guys here behave like penny pinchers and keep walking away. Though I can't remember a time when every guy would agree to overpay, I do wonder why more and more girls in SEA are showing a marked preference to Asian punters.[/QUOTE]That makes no sense. Although I have turned down many girls in Jakarta over the years who asked for too much money, I can't recall even one time where it was an Asian who ended up giving her the money she wanted. It's always been either another white guy or an Arab.

In Jakarta, Asians go for the cheap brothels like Hotel Classic. Not many of them go to BATS or CJs. They aren't interested in those girls, they think they are too expensive and too old.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2338460]Keep walking away enough times and that is all you will have plenty of in your hands. Time.

In the meantime the ones with lesser concerns about spending that extra $50 (or $50 multiplied by 100) would be cavorting with a little naked cutie, willing to do all their bidding.

Your choice.[/QUOTE]You seem to keep trying to justify the fact that you spent 2.5 million on a mediocre BATS girl. Give it up. The guys who have been to Jakarta often know that's not a prudent move. It obviously still bothers you to this day.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338493]That makes no sense. Although I have turned down many girls in Jakarta over the years who asked for too much money, I can't recall even one time where it was an Asian who ended up giving her the money she wanted. It's always been either another white guy or an Arab.

In Jakarta, Asians go for the cheap brothels like Hotel Classic. Not many of them go to BATS or CJs. They aren't interested in those girls, they think they are too expensive and too old.[/QUOTE]Wish we had those savvy Asian punters in Bkk.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2338460]Keep walking away enough times and that is all you will have plenty of in your hands. Time.

In the meantime the ones with lesser concerns about spending that extra $50 (or $50 multiplied by 100) would be cavorting with a little naked cutie, willing to do all their bidding.

Your choice.[/QUOTE]If I applied that attitude to every aspect of my life I would have no money left for whoring. People would think I'm a fool that can be easily taken advantage of.

Where do you draw the line exactly? $50, and if not $50 why not $100, $150 or $500?

Your approach is to pay whatever the vagina asks because you might upset it otherwise.

They're playing you.

If it's only a fraction of $50. I will definitely go for the stunner considering her attitude which is most important! I would rather have a full scorecard rather than a blank one with regrets!

I see other mongers point of trying to keep the price down to a reasonable state but out of my mongering experience though out the years, there will be another dude in the room who would pay that hefty amount to score that chick.

If a WG appears a worth of $100, I would pay that but if she asks for $300, I usually ask them "is your pussy made out of gold " most of them would just flat out tell me FU and I would turn that conversation to a joke and price would come down to a reasonable rate but then there has been many occasions where I simply refused them based on their attitude.

In Jakarta, an expats scenario is different compared to visitors like us as they don't have such limitation of time like we do and they usually have their own network.

I've had paid IDR 1.5 to girls who may worth only IDR 1 but then service would be top notch with extended hours. I think it all depends on negotiation skills and using the right judgement calls.

I had a stunning MILF once in Jakarta that I had negotiated for IDR. 7 k for ST but she turned out to be a real gem and ended up staying LT. We must've had 4 sessions before kinda passed out with the blessing of Jameson and in the morning after final round, I had given her additional IDR. 3 before she left with a promise of bringing her GF along next time which was a pure bliss on next day.

But then on the same week, I met another stunner at Bats who was the best looking out of all of and was asking for IDR 3.5 which shouldn't be more than 1.5! I looked at her as if I've seen a ghost and she just walked away! An hour later she showed up asking 2.5 which I declined stating she will not get more than 1 mil which literally made her disappear from the vicinity.

To sum it up, there is the right now with right price tag just for us to explore, decide and negotiate with right price but not 2 x the price.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2338460]Keep walking away enough times and that is all you will have plenty of in your hands. Time.

In the meantime the ones with lesser concerns about spending that extra $50 (or $50 multiplied by 100) would be cavorting with a little naked cutie, willing to do all their bidding.

Your choice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338495]You seem to keep trying to justify the fact that you spent 2.5 million on a mediocre BATS girl. Give it up. The guys who have been to Jakarta often know that's not a prudent move. It obviously still bothers you to this day.[/QUOTE]Isn't that just an assumption about the girl being mediocre? I really thought you would have a better argument than that.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337069]And I did have fun that night even though I didn't have sex.[/QUOTE]I don't have to justify anything to anyone. I pay for what I want and often I get what I want. If anything, it seems you were trying very hard to justify your little tryst at CJs the other night. No?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338493]That makes no sense. Although I have turned down many girls in Jakarta over the years who asked for too much money, I can't recall even one time where it was an Asian who ended up giving her the money she wanted. It's always been either another white guy or an Arab.

In Jakarta, Asians go for the cheap brothels like Hotel Classic. Not many of them go to BATS or CJs. They aren't interested in those girls, they think they are too expensive and too old.[/QUOTE]Surely you know that SEA is a bit more than just Jakarta. And if it hasn't happened in Jakarta, it will soon.

Lest I get misquoted, here is my original post too.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2338458]I do wonder why more and more girls in [B]SEA[/B] are showing a marked preference to Asian punters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marky1;2338559]If I applied that attitude to every aspect of my life I would have no money left for whoring. People would think I'm a fool that can be easily taken advantage of.

Where do you draw the line exactly? $50, and if not $50 why not $100, $150 or $500?

Your approach is to pay whatever the vagina asks because you might upset it otherwise.

They're playing you.[/QUOTE]They don't want her to walk away at any cost, lest they feel rejected by a 3rd world hooker.

Their already low self-esteem cannot take being lowered even further!

But they have a solution! Give her whatever she asks for, don't ever ask for a great session.

Because again that might cause rejection, just walk out of the bar with a smile!

You are the stud!

You just snagged a 3rd world hooker by promising to overpay her, and I'm sure she will make sure to under deliver for him!

Now, don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky.

It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy.

Dust in the wind.

All we are is dust in the wind.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2338559]If I applied that attitude to every aspect of my life I would have no money left for whoring. People would think I'm a fool that can be easily taken advantage of.

Where do you draw the line exactly? $50, and if not $50 why not $100, $150 or $500?

Your approach is to pay whatever the vagina asks because you might upset it otherwise.

They're playing you.[/QUOTE]If a hooker says $100 I might think OK?

Can I get her for $5? If not? How low will she go?

How close to $5?

I want a hooker that wants to lower the price, my hope is she will take any price because she wants to fuck me!

I want the hooker that is really malleable with price, because I'm pretty sure she's going to be an awesome fuck! (for as close to $0 as possible).

[QUOTE=Marky1;2338559]If I applied that attitude to every aspect of my life I would have no money left for whoring. People would think I'm a fool that can be easily taken advantage of.

Where do you draw the line exactly? $50, and if not $50 why not $100, $150 or $500?

Your approach is to pay whatever the vagina asks because you might upset it otherwise.

They're playing you.[/QUOTE]So? I am a chump. Are you happy now? Now let me get back to my little brown sugar while you can keep discussing the right price.

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[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2338727]P.S. - That said I don't think you will still hold a candle to Mr E. Not even in the same ballpark. Yet, I have plenty of respect for that man. I guess you are going to get your respect from hookers alone.[/QUOTE]I respect everyone's opinion on the forum. Including you and every other member. I consider this forum just a way to voice our opinions. I don't fully expect anyone to take my advice, nor will I likely fully take anyone else's advice. But I do like to throw some paint on the wall and see if it sticks. My opinion is based on my experiences alone and of course others have different experiences and views.

I have been around Jakarta so long that it's tough for me to pay these outlandish prices when they were far less than that not long ago. If every girl in CJs or BATS were to ask me for 2 million rupiah, I would stop going to those places. I actually prefer the girls who do not even discuss money, they just agree to go home with me and leave it up to me. That used to be the case almost 100 percent of the time. But that was back in the day when almost all of the guys visiting those places either worked and lived in Jakarta or were there for work purposes. Those type of guys it seems were much more ethical than the guys going there now and treated the girls fairly. And back then, you never saw any Indians in the place. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] The influx of sex tourists has also brought in guys who will take advantage of the girls if they don't negotiate up front. It's quite disgusting really. Things used to be so fun and innocent, now it's hard core.

I just go with the flow and make decisions on which girls to take home based on my own instincts. If I feel they want too much money or if I feel for some reason that they won't be any good in bed, I will take a pass. I don't mind taking a day off, there's plenty of pussy available in this city.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338824]I just go with the flow and make decisions on which girls to take home based on my own instincts. If I feel they want too much money or if I feel for some reason that they won't be any good in bed, I will take a pass. I don't mind taking a day off, there's plenty of pussy available in this city.[/QUOTE]Yes sir, there is plenty of pussy in this town, and much of it is free.

My 2 cents, is either go low end and have some fun in laneways like priok or rw. Bebak or grogol OR get some free from online appps (never free of course with taxi money, lunch, perfume) , or go the Debbie-dead root style at classic or travel.

If your here as a business tourist for 2 days, go to CJs or BATs, don't go anywhere else. If your here for a week try the Indo brothels like classic and travel, try dating websites, with massage places as backup, if your here for over a week. RFF and get about and find something to suit your tastes. The city's overt options for P4 P are diminishing, but there is still lots of choices.

Last night even, on a corner of a non decrypt street in Menteng, I was accosted by a girl for sex. Well I am pretty sure it was a girl anyway.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338817]There is no doubt that non-Thai Asians have totally screwed the market in Bangkok. It's so expensive there now that it makes it far less desirable as a location to visit.[/QUOTE]Which is why I've spent the past month+ overpaying everyone in Korea and Japan. I'm on a mission to mess up their p4 p by overpaying there. It's payback time!

[QUOTE=MasBule;2338901]If your here as a business tourist for 2 days, goto CJs or BATs, don't go anywhere else. If your here for a week try the Indo brothels like classic and travel, try dating websites, with massage places as backup, if your here for over a week. [/QUOTE]

I guess we think differently. If I only had 2 days I would hit all the point and shoot brothels. If I stuck to only CJs and BATS I would have only sessioned twice in 2 days. With point and shoots I could have tried 10+ girls. 10 girls in a brothel roughly equate the price of 2 FL girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2338922]I guess we think differently. If I only had 2 days I would hit all the point and shoot brothels. If I stuck to only CJs and BATS I would have only sessioned twice in 2 days. With point and shoots I could have tried 10+ girls. 10 girls in a brothel roughly equate the price of 2 FL girls.[/QUOTE]Well Big banana, your an absolute legend to suggest 10 shots in 2 days.

When I had Tyhpoid I did 10 shits in 2 days, but your record is legend material and needs to go straight to the pool-room.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2338901]Last night even, on a corner of a non decrypt street in Menteng, I was accosted by a girl for sex. Well I am pretty sure it was a girl anyway.[/QUOTE]Taman Lawang? Ya, I saw the same thing the other night. There were also a couple of them on the road between Jl HR Rasuna Said and Jl. Galunggung, one of those had the biggest silicone tits I've ever seen in Indonesia. Very hot. I told the taxi driver she was very sexy and he laughed and said benchong, whatever that means.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338977]Very hot. I told the taxi driver she was very sexy and he laughed and said benchong, whatever that means.[/QUOTE]Bencong is a slang for ladyboy.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2338934]Well Big banana, your an absolute legend to suggest 10 shots in 2 days.

When I had Tyhpoid I did 10 shits in 2 days, but your record is legend material and needs to go straight to the pool-room.[/QUOTE]Banana is definitely a legend if he gets in 5 shots every day considering how often he mongers. Most of us stop doing that after about the first month of our mongering careers.

When my younger brother first arrived in Jakarta from the USA, he was around 24 years old and hadn't had sex in 2 years. He was so damn horny that got in 10 shots his first night in Jakarta. The girl I set him up with that night still complains to me about that to this day, and that was about 20 years ago. She mainly complains that after he continuously fucked her all night and she was tired as hell as well as sore, she took a shower the next day to go home, dressed, and was ready to go, but he grabbed her again, took her clothes off and had sex with her one more time.

I can get in as many as 4 shots in 2 days these days. My days of 10 shots in 2 days are long gone. CJs and BATS girls are good options for girls to take to Bali. The brothel girls are not.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2338982]Bencong is a slang for ladyboy.[/QUOTE]That's absolutely shocking.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338986]That's absolutely shocking.[/QUOTE]I just came back from a trip to Colombia. On my last night there, I went to a club with a chica and later that night her friends (a guy and his lady friend) met up with us there. That guy's girlfriend had one heck of a body and I can tell you that she was far more attractive that many of the chicas in the club.

Later, my chica told me that that her best friend which is that guy is gay. Then it dawned on me that his girlfriend is actually a ladyboy. I complimented her look and commented to them that this is actually an interesting combination, a gay guy in a relationship with a transexual. Anyway, when the guy stepped away momentarily, the ladybody actually proposed if I am interested in a threesome with him (or is it her? Not sure which pronoun to use) and my chica. I said, thanks but NO thanks. That is just not my cup of tea.

The moral of the story is that these ladyboys can be very hot indeed, and if one is not too careful, well, you know.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2339007]

The moral of the story is that these ladyboys can be very hot indeed, and if one is not too careful, well, you know.[/QUOTE]True. I know several guys that have hooked up with one by accident. Of course, they seem to make the same mistake about 5 times a trip.

I'm sure its totally bad luck. 😲.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2339104]True. I know several guys that have hooked up with one by accident. Of course, they seem to make the same mistake about 5 times a trip.

I'm sure its totally bad luck. 😲.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]It's usually pretty easy to identify the lady boys in Indonesia. The only one I wasn't really sure about was that lady boy who used to go to My Bar back around 2007. That one looked like it could either be a very hot chick, or possibly a lady boy. Since I had never seen a lady boy in Blok M before, I assumed it had to be a girl. But when I talked to her / him, one of the other girls told me it was a lady boy. I believe she / he used to go by the name Davina back then. That lady boy would make out (DFK) with a different white guy in that bar every night. Most times it was the youngest, best looking guy in the bar. But I never saw a repeat with any one guy, so they were probably getting a shock back in their hotel room. They finally banned her from My Bar. The reason I mention it is I just today looked through the services section on the Jakarta Craigslist where free lancers post. That same lady boy from My Bar is on there going by the name Lovenia now rather than Davina. That's 12 years after the My Bar days. I didn't know lady boys even lived that long given all the injections and hormones they take. Beware, that is a lady boy!

The good thing about the night I bought a drink for that lady boy is it was the night I met Neina in My Bar. That chick was always so damn sexy. One of my favorites in Blok M ever. She married some guy and I lost track of her. She had become a pain in the ass though anyway because she was demanding 700 and then up to 900 k when the going rate was 500 k at Top Gun. She took 500 k at first, but maybe she had a sugar daddy later and started asking for more later since it was riskier to go with a guy then. Who knows? I stopped taking her after she wanted more than 500 k. Damn shame because I liked doing her.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338984]Banana is definitely a legend if he gets in 5 shots every day considering how often he mongers. Most of us stop doing that after about the first month of our mongering careers.
[/QUOTE]I said 5 if I only had 2 days, not continuously. I do know guys who go to FKK clubs for 3 or 4 days and knock off 6-8 girls each day. Their bodies are wrecked by the end of their trip but they go with many girls to justify the cost of flying to Europe. I also know another guy who does 36 hour Friday night to Sunday morning weekend binges without any sleep and claims to finish with 15 girls, mainly massage girls and street walkers.

Gents,

Had contact through Tagged from someone working at Roimah Daun Spa.

Any one enlighten me as to what's is on offer there?

Pedro.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2339227]It's usually pretty easy to identify the lady boys in Indonesia. [/QUOTE]My post was more a tongue in cheek commentary on the guys who aren't quite ready to admit their preferences to themselves nor their monger buddies. Hence their numerous "accidents" that no one really believes after a while.

I'd agree that I haven't seen anyone in Indonesia that would pass as well as other Asian contries' 'girls'.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2339279]My post was more a tongue in cheek commentary on the guys who aren't quite ready to admit their preferences to themselves nor their monger buddies. Hence their numerous "accidents" that no one really believes after a while.

I'd agree that I haven't seen anyone in Indonesia that would pass as well as other Asian contries' 'girls'.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Yes, I know you were making a joke about them not admitting their desires. LOL. I think in Jakarta, it's mostly Japanese guys who go with those. Although, as I said, the one in My Bar had a different western guy every night. I tried to warn one of them once and he threatened to kick my ass for supposedly lying to him. Huge muscular young guy who thought I was just telling him that to get her for myself. After that, I just let the guys figure it out on their own.

Hi Everybody.

Am new here, will be in Jakarta next week and planning to hit CJ's and BATS, get me a hot little 18 yo.

Can anybody tell me what the current prices are?

Thanking you all in advance.

Regards.

OS.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2339227]The only one I wasn't really sure about was that lady boy who used to go to My Bar back around 2007.

SNIP

I met Neina in My Bar. That chick was always so damn sexy. One of my favorites in Blok M ever. She married some guy and I lost track of her. She had become a pain in the ass though anyway ...

I stopped taking her after she wanted more than 500 k. Damn shame because I liked doing her.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Nice story about the LB. I guess one can never ever let your guard down in the mongering world. But that said, the LBs in Indonesia are far more distinguishable than their neighbors in other SEA countries.

Some guys said "Whenever you see a hot chick, remember, somewhere there is a dude who is tired of putting up with her shit". Truer words have never been spoken!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2339290]After that, I just let the guys figure it out on their own.[/QUOTE]My number 1 rule in mongering. Mind your own business. Some may call it being self-centered. I don't care about that.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2339299]Hi Everybody.

Am new here, will be in Jakarta next week and planning to hit CJ's and BATS, get me a hot little 18 yo.

Can anybody tell me what the current prices are?

Thanking you all in advance.

Regards.

OS.[/QUOTE]Hahahahahahaha!

Hi guys,

I'm currently enjoying my first trip to Indonesia. I tried out classic, and it's alright. I'm really impressed by the spa in my hotel, Grand Mercure Harmoni. Thank you to whoever suggested that place. My first time there I had a great massage, which got more flirty as it went on. I ended up extending the session. At first I thought maybe it was going to be just a HJ kind of deal but I guess the full package was included. Great time. I just paid the 1 mill for the over 2 hour session and tipped 200 k. Expensive compared to other options but I think worth it. My second time was also great but the girl wanted 800 k tip for full service. I wasn't thrilled but I didn't need to extend the session so it worked out to around the same price.

Anyway, I've got a question. So on the west side of Monas there's a whole chunk of road shut down for protesters. Military and police everywhere. On Friday there's supposed to be an announcement regarding the election and I guess if the shit is going to hit the fan that's when it will happen.

I know you guys aren't psychic but what do you think? My hotel is on hayam wuruk just up the street from there. Should I move hotels, or prepare to potentially get holed up in the hotel for a day? I was almost thinking of leaving Jakarta, because there's so much more of this country to see, but tinder is too promising here. A lot of people seem to think it won't be a big deal, but I don't know if they're being honest haha.

Thanks.

How is Jakarta effected by Ramadan? I'm looking ahead to next year and was thinking of flying in for a week right at the start of Ramadan. How will it hurt the hobby?

[QUOTE=Eyedrops;2340154] My hotel is on hayam wuruk just up the street from there. Should I move hotels, or prepare to potentially get holed up in the hotel for a day? I was almost thinking of leaving Jakarta, because there's so much more of this country to see, but tinder is too promising here. A lot of people seem to think it won't be a big deal, but I don't know if they're being honest haha.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Having had the unfortunate experience of being in Bangkok during two coup the'état, I will offer just one piece of advice. Just stay out of the way, it's none of your and my business so just stay away. During my second coup the'état in BKK in the mid 2000's I just couldn't believe the number of stupid farang fuckwits getting involved and making themselves look like wannabe's.

Stay in your hotel if it gets bad, which I doubt it will in Jakarta. There will be heaps of hooker options made available to you, and you may even find the booze will be cheaper.

[QUOTE=Eyedrops;2340154]Hi guys,

I'm currently enjoying my first trip to Indonesia. I tried out classic, and it's alright. I'm really impressed by the spa in my hotel, Grand Mercure Harmoni. Thank you to whoever suggested that place. My first time there I had a great massage, which got more flirty as it went on. I ended up extending the session. At first I thought maybe it was going to be just a HJ kind of deal but I guess the full package was included. Great time. I just paid the 1 mill for the over 2 hour session and tipped 200 k. Expensive compared to other options but I think worth it. My second time was also great but the girl wanted 800 k tip for full service. I wasn't thrilled but I didn't need to extend the session so it worked out to around the same price.

Anyway, I've got a question. So on the west side of Monas there's a whole chunk of road shut down for protesters. Military and police everywhere. On Friday there's supposed to be an announcement regarding the election and I guess if the shit is going to hit the fan that's when it will happen.

I know you guys aren't psychic but what do you think? My hotel is on hayam wuruk just up the street from there. Should I move hotels, or prepare to potentially get holed up in the hotel for a day? I was almost thinking of leaving Jakarta, because there's so much more of this country to see, but tinder is too promising here. A lot of people seem to think it won't be a big deal, but I don't know if they're being honest haha.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I would think any protest will run South, not North up Hayam Wuruk. Your hotel will have a full on security plan and there will likely be a military detail assigned to your hotel so not so much to worry about. The protesters are also on notice from the defence minister that if the army takes over the security bit they won't be as nice as the police were last protest. I think maybe expect a souffle protest as these protester chappies are starting to wear a bit thin and the tolerance of them won't last forever.

If you do choose to decamp. OS recommends Cikarang, lots of P4 P. Cheap hotels and the protests will be limited to the size of your big thing and how long you are taking to blow your load.

Hope that helps.

OS.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2340156]How is Jakarta effected by Ramadan? I'm looking ahead to next year and was thinking of flying in for a week right at the start of Ramadan. How will it hurt the hobby?[/QUOTE]This topic has been discussed here earlier but here are the broad bits:

1. Yes, the hobby is adversely affected quite a bit for the entire month.

2. Places like Kota Indah, which houses a dozen or so brothels will be tightly shut.

3. Places like Classic will be open but the quantity and quality will be very thin.

4. Places like CJs and BATS won't get as many FLs even on weekends.

5. I do not know about the spas in Kelapa Gading or the other well reviewed spas in town, but I suspect they will be just about keeping the lights on.

6. Social Media will probably we the least affected but even there the numbers won't be encouraging.

Point is you will probably get laid 1 or 2 times a day, but you won't experience the best that Jakarta has to offer.

Why? Because the better girls who make good P4 P money would have taken a break and gone back home to their villages. Also, in the day time, if the girls are fasting, the last thing on their minds will be a fuck. When they break fast they all want to dine together, so again no one is thinking of a fuck or the money involved.

It gets worse just towards the end of the Ramadan month and stay that way till a week after the Ramadan day. If can avoid it, stay away. Better places to go in SEA like Philippines.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2340156]How is Jakarta effected by Ramadan? I'm looking ahead to next year and was thinking of flying in for a week right at the start of Ramadan. How will it hurt the hobby?[/QUOTE]Worst time of the year to go to Jakarta. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid. Worse than going to Germany FKK's over Orthodox Easter.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2340493]Worst time of the year to go to Jakarta. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid. Worse than going to Germany FKK's over Orthodox Easter.[/QUOTE]I don't have any idea what Germany's FKK over Orthodox Easter are like, but I got laid in Jakarta every single night last Ramadan.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2339229]I said 5 if I only had 2 days, not continuously. I do know guys who go to FKK clubs for 3 or 4 days and knock off 6-8 girls each day. Their bodies are wrecked by the end of their trip but they go with many girls to justify the cost of flying to Europe. I also know another guy who does 36 hour Friday night to Sunday morning weekend binges without any sleep and claims to finish with 15 girls, mainly massage girls and street walkers.[/QUOTE]Several years ago on my first FKK tour, I managed to have sex with 7 girls in a span of 12 hours on my last day there in Germany and managed to come 4 times. That was when FKK was still a novelty for me. These days I just don't have the stamina anymore.

I prefer to hit the club with the girls in Jakarta and maybe have a threesome in one night there. I prefer the adrenaline high of drinking, dancing and finally the screwing. That build up is more enjoyable than trying to score in quantity.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2340453] the better girls who make good P4 P money would have taken a break and gone back home to their villages. [/QUOTE]They don't go home until about 3 days before the very end of Ramadan.

You say places like kota indah close during ramadan, that doesn't matter at all. Those girls do not stop working in Jakarta for the month, they are moved to other places that are open. Just ask the girls you like where they are moved to. They will be glad to tell you.

The worst things about Ramadan are that some nights they do not sell alcohol at various places nor do they allow loud music at times. Also, if you are in Jakarta for work, it's a pain in the ass that every Indonesian rushes to get to somewhere to eat at 6 pm. The traffic from 3:30 pm till 6 pm sucks, then at 6 pm you can't get a taxi because they are all eating after fasting all day.

A guy told me that last year he couldn't get many matches on Tinder during Ramadan, but I tested that theory this year and had no problem getting a shitload of matches. I think what happened with him was he had just been in Jakarta a couple of months previously and had already matched so many during that month that there were not as many girls remaining to be matched as there were when he had a blank slate. I hadn't used Tinder in a while and was matching hotties like crazy during Ramadan.

One good thing about Ramadan is the free lance girls drop their prices in places like CJs and BATS because there aren't many guys around during that time. On that note, the girl I met in CJs recently on a Saturday night who wanted 2 million and I refused to pay it only wanted 1 million last night in CJs. Supply and demand. The girls far outnumbered the guys last night in CJs.

I used to dislike Ramadan because the sexy dancers were not nude during Ramadan, now they are NEVER nude anymore, so it's a non issue.

Bottom line is if you are in Jakarta the day before the start of Ramadan, the first day of Ramadan, or just prior to the end of Ramadan or just after Idul Fitri, it sucks. Other than that, it's ok. I still prefer the other times of the year because there are no uncertainties then, but you can still have fun at certain times during Ramadan if you need to go to Indonesia at that time. If you have the choice, go at a different time.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2340551] but I got laid in Jakarta every single night last Ramadan.[/QUOTE]Highly likely for a Resident with a Contact list full of girls desperate to earn extra cash before a very expensive holiday period back home where she needs to look like the successful city girl.

For the OP, who doesn't know where to go, who to call and is considering Manila anyway, I'd suggest Manila would be better this time and save Jakarta for next trip.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2340677]They don't go home until about 3 days before the very end of Ramadan.

You say places like kota indah close during ramadan, that doesn't matter at all. Those girls do not stop working in Jakarta for the month, they are moved to other places that are open. Just ask the girls you like where they are moved to. They will be glad to tell you.

The worst things about Ramadan are that some nights they do not sell alcohol at various places nor do they allow loud music at times. Also, if you are in Jakarta for work, it's a pain in the ass that every Indonesian rushes to get to somewhere to eat at 6 pm. The traffic from 3:30 pm till 6 pm sucks, then at 6 pm you can't get a taxi because they are all eating after fasting all day.

A guy told me that last year he couldn't get many matches on Tinder during Ramadan, but I tested that theory this year and had no problem getting a shitload of matches. I think what happened with him was he had just been in Jakarta a couple of months previously and had already matched so many during that month that there were not as many girls remaining to be matched as there were when he had a blank slate. I hadn't used Tinder in a while and was matching hotties like crazy during Ramadan..[/QUOTE]As I said, no problem in getting laid once or twice in a day. But it will not be the best Jakarta has to offer. Well, YMMV.

BTW did you take the girl from CJs at 1 mn?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2340903]Highly likely for a Resident with a Contact list full of girls desperate to earn extra cash before a very expensive holiday period back home where she needs to look like the successful city girl.

For the OP, who doesn't know where to go, who to call and is considering Manila anyway, I'd suggest Manila would be better this time and save Jakarta for next trip.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Good point. Being a resident is definitely an advantage. But even as a regular visitor you would have no problem in getting laid during Ramadan. For a first timer / infrequent visitor it can be a particularly challenging time.

I have said this before. If you are in town for a short time, and if getting laid is your only objective, don't bother going anywhere else other than Classic. There are more nubile nymphets there to fuck than you possibly can per day.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2340984]BTW did you take the girl from CJs at 1 mn?[/QUOTE]I didn't take her. As I was talking with her, one of my all time favorite girls in Jakarta who I haven't seen in a while walked in, so I dumped that girl and went with my fave. After the 2 million BS the previous night, I wasn't too jazzed to take her anyway.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2340988]If you are in town for a short time, and if getting laid is your only objective, don't bother going anywhere else other than Classic. [/QUOTE]No doubt about that. I've been going to Hotel Classic fairly frequently lately. They used to provide terrible service there, but that seems to have changed. Maybe they changed the mamasans. The last 3 chicks I went with didn't even care about a condom, they were totally into pleasing the customer. If I wanted a condom, I had to request it myself. What a change from the past.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2340493]Worst time of the year to go to Jakarta. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid. Worse than going to Germany FKK's over Orthodox Easter.[/QUOTE]Actually, BB I was here in Germany over Orthodox Easter this year and it was not all that bad. Just slightly less girls than normal but perfectly enjoyable. Even during normal times there can be unexplained fluctuations in quantity and quality of girls at FKKs.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341040]No doubt about that. I've been going to Hotel Classic fairly frequently lately. They used to provide terrible service there, but that seems to have changed. Maybe they changed the mamasans. The last 3 chicks I went with didn't even care about a condom, they were totally into pleasing the customer. If I wanted a condom, I had to request it myself. What a change from the past.[/QUOTE]That's surprisingly good news. Things change which just goes to show you that one should not completely write off a place where once great service was proffered just because of a couple of lackluster visits.

Case in point: 1001 Pool. I had received great service there and then suddenly I had the bad luck to receive 2 covered BJ sessions out of my last 4 visits. Not good, but I will give them another try because things may have changed. I had a similar bad luck streak of 2 covered BJ's in Alexis one year, but then the following year I experienced nothing short of great sessions. Go figure. I hope Classic's happy streak lasts until I return to CGK. Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2341155]I hope Classic's happy streak lasts until I return to CGK. Ha Ha.[/QUOTE]If that fails, King Cross has always provided good service. Here's a King Cross chick. I had to black out the background since I am in it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341158]If that fails, King Cross has always provided good service. Here's a King Cross chick. I had to black out the background since I am in it.[/QUOTE]Great chick. But this just accentuates the point you made earlier about a venue.

The last time I was at KC I saw nothing but dogs. All of them peering into their phones and looking completely disinterested. And the service was rubbish, the mamis and papis could not be less bothered about a customer's existence. Even the girls dancing around the little poles in the seating area were barely shaking their ass. I left swearing never to return. I went over to Sumo and received possibly the best spa fuck I had in Jakarta. However, on my recent visit last month, the talent at Sumo seemed a bit off. I still managed to snag a 690 k category chick who provided really good service, but other than her I could not spot anyone that I would have taken, even in the 900 k or higher categories. I will admit I went rather early, around 5 pm.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2341194]The last time I was at KC I saw nothing but dogs. All of them peering into their phones and looking completely disinterested. And the service was rubbish, the mamis and papis could not be less bothered about a customer's existence. Even the girls dancing around the little poles in the seating area were barely shaking their ass. [/QUOTE]Other than them all being dogs, that's a normal visit to King Cross. LOL. I like the fact that the mamasans don't pay any attention to me. I'm not shy, I will walk over to the girls and view them myself. You don't need to wait for a mamasan, just get the girl's attention and ask her to join. A place like that has the girls in full view, so there is absolutely no need for a mamasan. I've never understood the need for mamasans. They are just a pain in the ass.

Is there any place anywhere in Jakarta where the girls dance better than just barely moving? I have yet to see it. I used to enjoy their undulating when they were naked, now it's nothing to look at.

I have been lucky there, I have always had excellent service there. Better than anywhere else as a matter of fact. And the girls always want to give me their number and visit on their day off for some extra cash. I don't get that at other places. I think the King Cross girls have the biggest breasts in town. Maybe the management looks for big breasted women.

If you went at 5 pm, I have no reference because I have never been there earlier than 11 pm. Maybe it always sucks at 5 pm, I wouldn't know. But for a late night place, King Cross is a far better option than places like hotel classic, kota indah, hotel travel, medika and other cheap places like that because it's a much better environment and charges enough of a cover to keep out the cheap ass locals who visit those other places and smoke their lungs (and yours) out.

Hello all,

Bored of getting stuck in Jakarta traffic to monger from one place to another. Was wondering if anyone has any leads (preferably email ids) of WAGs / FLs / agents who can supply some hot stuff at hotels / apartments. My PM is working. Would appreciate any leads thereof.

Thanks.

BL.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2341751]Hello all,

Bored of getting stuck in Jakarta traffic to monger from one place to another. Was wondering if anyone has any leads (preferably email ids) of WAGs / FLs / agents who can supply some hot stuff at hotels / apartments. My PM is working. Would appreciate any leads thereof.

Thanks.

BL.[/QUOTE]If you have been mongering from one spot to another already, you should have built up your own list of girl's phone numbers by now. That's the whole point of going one place to another. Get as many numbers as you can, then call them to your room. Sounds like you are already set, you just need to give those girls a call.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341414]I'm not shy, I will walk over to the girls and view them myself. You don't need to wait for a mamasan, just get the girl's attention and ask her to join. A place like that has the girls in full view, so there is absolutely no need for a mamasan. I've never understood the need for mamasans. They are just a pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]This isn't about getting help from a mami to pick a girl. I do that bit myself. This was about getting myself a drink. I was seated for nearly 15 minutes and no one bothered to even come up ask if I wanted a drink. That is not acceptable.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341414]Is there any place anywhere in Jakarta where the girls dance better than just barely moving? I have yet to see it. I used to enjoy their undulating when they were naked, now it's nothing to look at.[/QUOTE]Back in the day the girls dancing at Malio or Alexis were pretty wild. Sure were not going to win AGT but they could definitely be titillating. Alas, those days will never return!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341414]And the girls always want to give me their number and visit on their day off for some extra cash. I don't get that at other places. [/QUOTE]I think this is a SOP with girls at almost all brothels / spas. I think the meager money they make per fuck motivates them to moonlight on their days off.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341414]If you went at 5 pm, I have no reference because I have never been there earlier than 11 pm. Maybe it always sucks at 5 pm, I wouldn't know. But for a late night place, King Cross is a far better option than places like hotel classic, kota indah, hotel travel, medika and other cheap places like that because it's a much better environment and charges enough of a cover to keep out the cheap ass locals who visit those other places and smoke their lungs (and yours) out.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I think it will always suck at 5 pm. In my previous single visit to KC and other times to Sumo it has always been after 7 pm but before 11 pm. A funny story comes to mind about Classic. Once I had gone in a little after 11 pm and the place was so fucking crowded and full of smoke that I wanted to leave in literally 30 seconds. However, there was a long queue at the payment counter and I was told to wait in line like everyone else. Fuck that. I told the mami she gets 50 k if she helps me jump the queue and get out first. Best 50 k I ever tipped at Classic. After that I have never set foot inside Classic, Travel or Kota Indah bars after 9 pm.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341872]If you have been mongering from one spot to another already, you should have built up your own list of girl's phone numbers by now. That's the whole point of going one place to another. Get as many numbers as you can, then call them to your room. Sounds like you are already set, you just need to give those girls a call.[/QUOTE]I think he might also be bored of bonking the same chicks on his roster. No matter how good a girl is, after 5 or 6 rendezvous, I lose interest in her. In my mongering career of over 2 decades I have only had 5 - 6 girls who have lasted for more than a year. And none of them made it beyond 3 years. Maybe this will change when I get older and slower.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2341904]I think this is a SOP with girls at almost all brothels / spas. I think the meager money they make per fuck motivates them to moonlight on their days off.[/QUOTE]Not in my experience. None of the girls other than the dancers will visit on their day off because they are controlled by the mafia. The only days those girls have off is when they are on their period. King Cross is an exception. And it seems like every girl at King Cross will do it. I've literally NEVER had any girl (other than the dancers) from a place like Hotel Classic, Kota Indah, etc visit me on their day off. Not once in 20 years. Believe me, I've asked them many times but they never come. The only time they ever want to visit is when they are on the rag. Forget that. I have over 100 phone numbers of girls from places other than King Cross but that is just to let them know I am coming to visit them, they will never come to my place unless I pay the "booking out" fee to the brothel of over 2 million rupiah. (I believe it is 2.7 million these days to book out a girl who is 380k for an hour at the brothel)

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2341906]I think he might also be bored of bonking the same chicks on his roster. No matter how good a girl is, after 5 or 6 rendezvous, I lose interest in her. In my mongering career of over 2 decades I have only had 5 - 6 girls who have lasted for more than a year. And none of them made it beyond 3 years. Maybe this will change when I get older and slower.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear you are helping him out with some phone numbers.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341872]If you have been mongering from one spot to another already, you should have built up your own list of girl's phone numbers by now. That's the whole point of going one place to another. Get as many numbers as you can, then call them to your room. Sounds like you are already set, you just need to give those girls a call.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply. But I don't usually store any numbers. Digital is a tricky world and no matter how much we try to cover our footprints, eventually they do come to light. Even when I go I leave my phone behind. Its only me and my wallet (only cash, no credit card). As far as using the email address, I use it for a month and then delete the account. Hence the request. If you have any. Do share. Otherwise. Thanks for your pov.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2341906]I think he might also be bored of bonking the same chicks on his roster. No matter how good a girl is, after 5 or 6 rendezvous, I lose interest in her. In my mongering career of over 2 decades I have only had 5 - 6 girls who have lasted for more than a year. And none of them made it beyond 3 years. Maybe this will change when I get older and slower.[/QUOTE]Very true. You don't fish at the same place, over and over (well at least some of us).

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2342042]Glad to hear you are helping him out with some phone numbers.[/QUOTE]You can sense the exhilaration too) partake in the noble cause my friend. The lord watches over you.).

A part of an article in The Jakarta Post:

With only four months to go before the end of its 2014-2019 term, the House of Representatives is determined to pass the revised Criminal Code (KUHP), which has taken decades and has been burdened with contentious articles that critics call a threat to citizens' privacy and the fight against corruption. In a recent meeting, the members of House Commission III overseeing human rights, security and legal affairs agreed to include several articles that aim to regulate public morality, which criminalize consensual sex between two unmarried people, cohabitation, adultery and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. The articles have also been made "gender-neutral", which means that they also criminalize LGBT sex.

Of course you can create opportunities then, but what I fear most will be the snitches!

Do any of you guys feel bad going to places like Hotel Classic etc, knowing that the girls might be working there against there will.

Really want to visit Jakarta as I love STs and having a variety of different girls and these places seem ideal for me but this kind of puts me off.

I know this happens all over the world but I do make an effort when mongering to try and find girls who choose to do that type of work.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2342226]Do any of you guys feel bad going to places like Hotel Classic etc, knowing that the girls might be working there against there will.

Really want to visit Jakarta as I love STs and having a variety of different girls and these places seem ideal for me but this kind of puts me off.

I know this happens all over the world but I do make an effort when mongering to try and find girls who choose to do that type of work.[/QUOTE]Girls working in places like Classic are essentially sex slaves. I stop going there for ST after learning the fact.

One suggestion is when you go to some of these places where they do offer freelancers. By that definition, I assume they are working there on their own free will. Maybe veterans of this forum can correct me if I am wrong. Some of these places that I do know have these freelancers include BFashion, Emporium, 108. Other folks can probably recommend other places as well.

Another suggestion is for you to walk through lokasari at Mangga Besar at night. I think it is relatively safe but you still need to be aware of the surrounding. There are plenty of freeelancers there. Avoid pimps offering you girls from vans. Those girls are in the same bind as they are controlled by mafia as well. For upscale FL, visit CJ or BATS.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2342325]Girls working in places like Classic are essentially sex slaves. I stop going there for ST after learning the fact.

One suggestion is when you go to some of these places where they do offer freelancers. By that definition, I assume they are working there on their own free will. Maybe veterans of this forum can correct me if I am wrong. Some of these places that I do know have these freelancers include BFashion, Emporium, 108. Other folks can probably recommend other places as well.

Another suggestion is for you to walk through lokasari at Mangga Besar at night. I think it is relatively safe but you still need to be aware of the surrounding. There are plenty of freeelancers there. Avoid pimps offering you girls from vans. Those girls are in the same bind as they are controlled by mafia as well. For upscale FL, visit CJ or BATS.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply, really appreciate it.

What kind of prices should I be offering to freelancers for ST on dating apps, looked through the thread and seen some figures but they seem to be for LT only.

The Times I think in your lines I still go there thinking I can give a generous tip and fill the time which if not would be taken by anyone else.

Though I agree to what you say not sure how our absence would make a difference. The country is done for and one less dick may not do anything.

I do like the starmoon FL more. Mongering does not have defcon levels in morality either you pay or you don't.

OS.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2342325]Girls working in places like Classic are essentially sex slaves. I stop going there for ST after learning the fact.

One suggestion is when you go to some of these places where they do offer freelancers. By that definition, I assume they are working there on their own free will. Maybe veterans of this forum can correct me if I am wrong. Some of these places that I do know have these freelancers include BFashion, Emporium, 108. Other folks can probably recommend other places as well.

Another suggestion is for you to walk through lokasari at Mangga Besar at night. I think it is relatively safe but you still need to be aware of the surrounding. There are plenty of freeelancers there. Avoid pimps offering you girls from vans. Those girls are in the same bind as they are controlled by mafia as well. For upscale FL, visit CJ or BATS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2342351]I do like the starmoon FL more. [/QUOTE]Seriously? Starmoon is the worst example of sex slaves you will find in Jakarta. All of those girls are under contract.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2342217]A part of an article in The Jakarta Post:

With only four months to go before the end of its 2014-2019 term, the House of Representatives is determined to pass the revised Criminal Code (KUHP), which has taken decades and has been burdened with contentious articles that critics call a threat to citizens' privacy and the fight against corruption. In a recent meeting, the members of House Commission III overseeing human rights, security and legal affairs agreed to include several articles that aim to regulate public morality, which criminalize consensual sex between two unmarried people, cohabitation, adultery and The articles have also been made "gender-neutral", which means that they also criminalize LGBT sex.

Of course you can create opportunities then, but what I fear most will be the snitches![/QUOTE]This is absolutely disgusting. Hopefully nothing comes of it.

Well just to be clear I said I like the FL in starmoon they look nice. About the sex mafia and their effects and us choosing not to go there I already answered. I don't think seriously at all.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2342368]Seriously? Starmoon is the worst example of sex slaves you will find in Jakarta. All of those girls are under contract.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2342335]Thanks for the reply, really appreciate it.

What kind of prices should I be offering to freelancers for ST on dating apps, looked through the thread and seen some figures but they seem to be for LT only.[/QUOTE]A while back, I did a bit of research by asking for quotes from the girls who advertised on Twitter. Their prices ranged from 900 k - 1. 5 million for ST. All their prices seemed to oscillate within this range. I think it may be on the high side, but I don't really know. Besides these girls require deposit and I don't operate that way, so I never really tried them.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2342410]A while back, I did a bit of research by asking for quotes from the girls who advertised on Twitter. Their prices ranged from 900 k - 1. 5 million for ST. All their prices seemed to oscillate within this range. I think it may be on the high side, but I don't really know. Besides these girls require deposit and I don't operate that way, so I never really tried them.[/QUOTE]Thanks again for your help, wish I could buy you a beer to say thanks.

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2342405]Well just to be clear I said I like the FL in starmoon they look nice. [/QUOTE]You have different taste from me. I find the girls there to be sub par. I am guessing you just like the fact that they are behind an aquarium glass wall in full view. In reality, the girls at pretty much all of the other similar establishments around town are better looking.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2342410]Besides these girls require deposit and I don't operate that way, so I never really tried them.[/QUOTE]The DP is to prevent the million time waster calls the girls get a day. Both in and out call girls will likely not require a DP from a Bule who is in town and ready to go. A photo of your room key or a current Jakarta Post is the normal way of showing this.

Of course you could just add NoDP to what ever hashtag you are searching. Eg #BispakaiJakselNoDP.

Enjoy. G.

Just wrapped up by 3 day trip to Jakarta and had fun as usual. Stayed at Ibis styles Gajah Mada.

Day1- Arrived at 6 AM checked into the hotel and pinged an indi girl from cupid. Arrived by 12. She is a little curvy and was excellent on bed. She stayed until night and left with a 100 $ bill.

Day2- Woke up late and went to Orachardz at 10-30, but they said they open at 11 and made me wait until 11-30.330 k for the room and 350 for massage and FS but overall they charged me 410 for room and 350 for massage and FS. Massage and sex are good, the girl they provided me felt like new to trade. Came to hotel took a break and went to kota indah around8. It was Friday and every club was crowded to the max. Visited all the clubs there but I liked the girls in M sara ayu (hope I got the name right). Tried a couple of gals and I felt for that price service was excellent. 1 gal offered BBBJ without any request and the second girl seemed uninterested completely and was a dead fish.

Day3- one more indi from cupid arrived by 10-30. Had a great session with her and went to lunch. Came back and had 1 more great session with her. I paid her 1 mil for her time. It's Saturday night and I took a break and went to Classic around 10 pm. Very crowded and I found a table and started my drink. Most of the beautiful girls are busy and the ugly one's are left. I spoke a Mamasan who sounded very good and asked her for a gal as per my need. She called 4 girls and I liked 1 of them. She is a tall girl from Bandung and was much better then I expected. After that came down and had a few more drinks. Club got even busier and the same mamasan brought me another girl and she had great reviews on her. Girl is tall and curvy and she said she is from Indramayi area. Overall Classic was much better then I expected.

Next Monday went to airport by 6-30 AM to catch my flight but Scoot screwed me big time. They delayed the flight I didn't see anyone who can speak decent english in the airport from scoot. They made us wait until 3-30 and brought us back to immigration to cancel our stamp and we were moved to terminal 3 from 2. Finally got a seat on singapore airlines flight at 6 PM and arrived in Singapore.

I have the mamasam contact number from Classic. She is good and got great gals both times. If anyone wants it PM me.

Once again thanks everyone for all your previous FR's which was helpful for me during my trip. Can't wait to go there again.

[QUOTE=Dega123;2344821]Overall Classic was much better then I expected.[/QUOTE]Why is that? That's the number one value for money brothel in Jakarta and the most discussed venue on this forum.

[QUOTE=Dega123;2344821]

I have the mamasam contact number from Classic. She is good and got great gals both times. If anyone wants it PM me.[/QUOTE]Why would we need a mamasan's number? We can just walk around and see the girls. If we see someone we like we figure out who her mamasan is and grab that mamasan to book her. Hopefully you realize that your mamasan will ONLY show you HER girls. You will be missing out on tons of good looking girls. Well, maybe not Sunday night at 10 pm.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2344943]Why is that? That's the number one value for money brothel in Jakarta and the most discussed venue on this forum.[/QUOTE]I read the reviews here and felt like oh I am going to step into a sex slaves brothel and it will be pretty bad as the ladies might be cursing the customers. But the ladies I spent my time were pretty good other then 1 lady who I had a extended conversation due to plumbing issue in the room. She said she has a debt of 80 mil and she makes only 100 k on customer and needs 2-3 years to pay off and see her family. But classics is just like Adelitas / hongkong in Tijuana.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2344958]Why would we need a mamasan's number? We can just walk around and see the girls. If we see someone we like we figure out who her mamasan is and grab that mamasan to book her. Hopefully you realize that your mamasan will ONLY show you HER girls. You will be missing out on tons of good looking girls.[/QUOTE]I may not visit classics again honestly but the mamasan asked me to note her number and call her before I come so that she can have her best girl for me. We all know this is to make me a repetitive customer, but honestly I picked a girl from her team and she said no don't go she is bad wait for few minutes and I will send a good girl for you.

[QUOTE=Dega123;2344960] She said she has a debt of 80 mil and she makes only 100 k on customer and needs 2-3 years to pay off and see her family. [/QUOTE]One of the Jakarta residents may be able to confirm but I'm guessing 80 million is the amount she needs to pay her debt to her pimp/mamasan.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2344962]One of the Jakarta residents may be able to confirm but I'm guessing 80 million is the amount she needs to pay her debt to her pimp/mamasan.[/QUOTE]No clue I am just the messenger. Saw some free lancers in kota indah in the same street as all these clubs. They looked like minors for me and saw people actively talking to them. Read about [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903][CodeWord903][/url] stuff but felt bad after witnessing it.

You guys all amuse me. We have this existential battle between the moralists and the blabbers with the N Jakarta clubs in the middle.

Some of us wring our hands in angst about the circumstances that lead these girls to end up in places like Kota Indah and Classic but we still get a stiffy when we go there and so end up doing the girl anyway.

Others just want to blab on about how great these places are and then wonder why in a year or two's time they don't seem to be so nice anymore. Those clubs and especially KI have a distinctly unsavoury side.

When you find a great fishing spot, do you tell everybody else?

Enjoy Jakarta, it's a big city.

In Jakarta now and messaged few girls for the price. Most of them quoted ST-3 mil and LT-7 mil consistently. Posts that offered massage + ST, girls quoted around 1 mil to 1. 5 mil. Not too sure if I will even try to bargain with them. Relatively Twitter girls might be better option than this.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2327841]Found [URL]https://cityxguide.com/c/jakarta[/URL] while researching for my upcoming trip. Looks similar to backpage from old days. Any feedback?

No listing has pricing mentioned. First impression is that this could be as bad as loconto but would like to hear from others if anyone tried.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2345432]In Jakarta now and messaged few girls for the price. Most of them quoted ST-3 mil and LT-7 mil consistently. Posts that offered massage + ST, girls quoted around 1 mil to 1. 5 mil. Not too sure if I will even try to bargain with them. Relatively Twitter girls might be better option than this.[/QUOTE]I do what locals do I follow the local economy and pay the local prices, personally if its written in English I would walk away as either you are dealing with scammer often who are dodgy western expats or you are dealing with heavily marked up products.

I can't see a local using that webpage.

Hi all,

I will be traveling to Jakarta in August 1st week. Would love to have some tips from all of you. This is my first Jakarta visit. Would love to monger and would like to seek senior member's help.

Cheers,

Pratty69.

[QUOTE=Pratty69;2345865]Hi all,

I will be traveling to Jakarta in August 1st week. Would love to have some tips from all of you. This is my first Jakarta visit. Would love to monger and would like to seek senior member's help.

Cheers,

Pratty69.[/QUOTE]Clear you inbox. Tried to PM you.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2342325]Girls working in places like Classic are essentially sex slaves. I stop going there for ST after learning the fact.

One suggestion is when you go to some of these places where they do offer freelancers. By that definition, I assume they are working there on their own free will. Maybe veterans of this forum can correct me if I am wrong. Some of these places that I do know have these freelancers include BFashion, Emporium, 108. Other folks can probably recommend other places as well.

Another suggestion is for you to walk through lokasari at Mangga Besar at night. I think it is relatively safe but you still need to be aware of the surrounding. There are plenty of freeelancers there. Avoid pimps offering you girls from vans. Those girls are in the same bind as they are controlled by mafia as well. For upscale FL, visit CJ or BATS.[/QUOTE]Where is Emporium? Do they have a website?

[QUOTE=Michelangelo;2346469]Where is Emporium? Do they have a website?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.emporiumjakarta.com[/URL]

OK lads.

Have a mutual friend who has a girl who wants a GB with westerners.

She is of age, but very very cute, looking for some bro's to help me with the task (can share pics).

Rules are condom and no pics, share nice hotel cost between the bros - its legit; size and age no matter within reason!

Have to be a gentlemen, its her fantasy OK.

OS you in town, time for redemption?

Drop me a msg, looking at 10th Aug, date is confirmed.

Here's a question for the long timers like Smoothy and Menteng etc, prob nearing 10 yrs ago I was out in west Jakarta not very far from be fashion and I visited a bar / club with a very Indonesian name. It was a stand alone club not in a complex like your pangjay bars but followed the same concept. I for the life of me can't remember the name. Can anyone remember or know what I'm talking about, it lay in a backstreet off a large major road.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2347455]Here's a question for the long timers like Smoothy and Menteng etc, prob nearing 10 yrs ago I was out in west Jakarta not very far from be fashion and I visited a bar / club with a very Indonesian name. It was a stand alone club not in a complex like your pangjay bars but followed the same concept. I for the life of me can't remember the name. Can anyone remember or know what I'm talking about, it lay in a backstreet off a large major road.[/QUOTE]Most likely Medika. I like that place. They call it New Medika now after they renovated, but it's the same place.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2347633]Most likely Medika. I like that place. They call it New Medika now after they renovated, but it's the same place.[/QUOTE]Yeah that looks like it as I remember it was near a mall if you went back entrance, thanks I'll read up any updates.

I went through some of my old notes not sure how relevant they are 10 yrs later but I had a good time at FM1 hotel, medika and the bandara diskotek nearby.

Continued from medan thread.

Jakarta – 4th and 5th nights.

Jakarta, one of the best places I love for entertainment. Despite religiously strict nature of the country, people are awesome and friendly. I had a contact from Indonesian Cupid who is working in a known five start international chain. She was very much interested to meet me. I was chatting for a month or so in WhatsApp. However, on the last week she said she had a friend meeting her in Bali. And returning to Jakarta on the day I leave. I planned for only 2 days in Jakarta. I was a little bit disappointed but I know I won't be disappointed in Jakarta.

I booked Red Star Hotel, which is very close to happening places like 'Travel'. I reached around 1 pm. Checked in to hotel and had a good shower. Immediately walked to travel. Yes, this is that close and walk able. I love travel for few reasons. Cute slim girls are everywhere. Pretty much Travel hotel is open for action most of the time. Most of the patrons are locals but it is safe. Had few beers and twice the mamasons approached for girls. But I said I wish to have few drinks first. Drinks are not costly. I liked one girl shown to the next table. Few minutes later I said yes to the mamason who brought the girl to the next table. I have explained my tastes. I got the same girl with few more other girls. Choose the one I saw earlier, and we are into the upstairs room in 20 minutes. This room has mirrors everywhere. The girl had a beautiful body. Indonesians in general have good firm boobs and nice sized butts. I loved the ceiling mirror when she was blowing. It is a CBJ, but the visuals are great. The rest of the actions are pretty much same, but the girl seemed to be enjoying the play. Started cuddling after the sessions, which is very rare in the paid sex in Asian places. I have ordered 2 beers and we had one for next half an hour and I left to the hotel.

I had another contact for years we only chat in WhatsApp but couldn't meet because of both of our timelines. She runs a small business, so we planned to meet around 7 pm to see first for a dinner and proceed if both the sides are of interest. I have reached the mall 30 minutes earlier so ordered a coffee in Starbucks and sent her a message about my arrival. She came a bit late. She is a bit older and few more extra kgs than in the photo. I have decided to not to proceed further but had the dinner with her not to disappoint. We had dinner and while finishing she might have realized I was not into taking her to hotel. I said good bye. I took cab back to hotel.

I went straight to travel and had three rounds of beer. And around 9 PM the place is fully packed and very live. Beautiful girls around but one thing I disliked is smoke. It is a bit suffocating. The same mamason identified me and she knows what I want. She brings me in a cute 20-year-old slim girl. Very pretty and charming. Tipped mamason a 50 k and we are back into room. Asked for a room with ceiling mirror. The mamason smiled and made necessary arrangements. Into the room, the girl is not experienced. She seems to be bit nervous. So, offered a drink and thinks started easing. Not a great CBJ. No kissing but she is wet and very tight. I enjoyed the FS. Paid the total fee around 500 k. Walked back to the room and crashed.

Next day, I wanted to do a bit of shopping after breakfast. Roamed the city and had a good Chinese food with chili oil (I love this). I thought I could try other venues like classic. Around 2:30 PM tried going to classic. The entire building is pretty much deserted. Asked few about the place they said it is closed and it will open late. So, I left the place and tried a genuine massage place with body, foot for 2 hours and had a very relaxing session.

After massage went to travel again and pretty much spend until 11 pm. The same mamason spotted me. I said, I wanted to have a drink. She usually goes away and come back after 30 minutes. But I guess it is due to my repeated return visits, she seemed to be more curious to have a chat. She was asking about what I am doing in Jakarta and why I like Indonesian girls. It was an enjoyable discussion. I offered a drink to her she accepted. I hinted the difficulty of getting DFK from girls in the travel. She smiled and said not all girls do DFK in commercial venues. She had to look after the crowd she said she will be back soon. I wasn't even completed the drink, she came with a nice girl hardly 20 years and seems to be new to the scene. Mamason, told me that she is very fresh and depends on my luck I may get very good GFE. It was absolutely a brilliant. The girl was shy to even shower with me. So, I said its ok to shower myself and wait until she finished showering. She came with towel wrapped. And still shy. I am fully naked and erected. I started kissing her neck and slowly reaching lips. Usually Asian girls move or turn away their face. I didn't see any reluctance. It is a good sign. Had a wonderful GFE DFK session after 2 days. By this time, I could feel her wet when my hands are roaming the pussy. Very tight body and again my favorite cluster of room with top mirrors. She could be hardly 40 kgs. I didn't ask her to blow since With DFK I am fully erect and finished the session. Now after washing, she still feels shy. We cuddled, and she was giggling whenever seeing the cock and seeing the mirror. Tipped her and went back to the seats to start having more drinks. Around 11 am asked for the same girl and pretty much did the same and left early 1:00 am.

I was in Jakarta last year and ordered an outcall massage to my hotel. Via WhatsApp I received a couple of photos to select the therapist girl. Just 90 min later the girl arrived (7/10 for face and body). I had 2 hrs massage for 400 K. Finally the girl asked for extra services she can provide and it ended in a boring 20 min sex without any GFE. Price was additional 500 K.

I will come back to Jakarta in August and will have a new trial. Any recommendations which outcall massage to choose to avoid a similar experience as last time?

[QUOTE=Realizer;2348059]I was in Jakarta last year and ordered an outcall massage to my hotel. Via WhatsApp I received a couple of photos to select the therapist girl. Just 90 min later the girl arrived (7/10 for face and body). I had 2 hrs massage for 400 K. Finally the girl asked for extra services she can provide and it ended in a boring 20 min sex without any GFE. Price was additional 500 K.

I will come back to Jakarta in August and will have a new trial. Any recommendations which outcall massage to choose to avoid a similar experience as last time?[/QUOTE]That's your main problem, outcall in Jakarta, just like your home town it is usually the left-overs that can't earn a living elsewhere.

Need to get out bro, plenty of info on this forum and the infoo what we all give.

Did I mention to get out and about?

Seeyou in a bar / club / bordello / brothel later tonight.

Drop me a PM if your normal, can't talk to women and can but them a drink and want to explore in Aug.

So I was back again in July to my usual spot in Blok M and this time it had a different atmosphere. There were a bit more girls around but certain nights are much better than other nights. Ex. Friday / Saturdays although there are girls around the quality seems to be a bit lower than in the weekdays, lots of 5/6's. Also the "girls" seemed to be less chatty on the weekends.

My first encounter end of June wasn't so great and although I know enough not to go with the younger crowd I still mad that mistake. First she wanted 1 M no way I am paying that for a newbie. And the service was below expectations, first it took 15 minutes to convince her to bathe. With someone I always insist on this then when it was time for action, the rules came out, can't' touch here can't do this can't do that. Bad experience totally. My point stay away for the lesser age group, unless you really want to experience a robot.

Did meet some of my regulars, and had a good time in the bar most nights, I would say that 90% of the individuals in the bar recognize me even though they may not know my name.

Here's what I discovered after so many times going to the bar. As I was leaving mid week I decided to go to the bar on a Monday night never did this before but was I surprised. Lots of females that were in the 8/9 range with few males around. Most of then I never see on the weekends. But I did encounter one female who is the definition of a tease, now I have experienced it. She was introduced to me but I figured out quickly that she was there to have guys buy here drinks and expensive drinks at that and them ask for taxi money to go home.

I got caught in that one night and never again. But she trapped other guys on different nights.

As usual the prices for anyone in the bar starts at 1 m, but I never give that, my range is usually 600-700 K depending on the vibes I get for the person. If they seems distracted when I am with them I will always pass on them.

I wen to Malio club a few weeks a go for the first time, there are many sharks every turn you take everyone wants a piece of your wallet! Anyway I started to wonder around and went upstairs where private dance was going on behind curtains, I went to the back of the building and noticed some Russian girls in the lift, attempted to say Hi but they were not friendly at all, so to the experts of Malio, what is the deal with these white girls? To me they looked working girls but way too arrogant to approach!

I only had a girl on my lap for 2 drinks and then I left, but I could see many girls available with different colour coded tags on them, apparently the price of taking the girl to a room depends on the colour! Overall not bad experience if you enjoy lap dancing like me.

Bkk212 - your usual spot in Blok M? Was it D's Place? I stayed a few days at a hotel just a few blocks from Blok M, but never made it to the bars at night time.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2347847]Continued from medan thread.

It is a CBJ, but the visuals are great.

Again!!

Not a great CBJ. No kissing but she is wet and very tight. I enjoyed the FS. Paid the total fee around 500 k. Walked back to the room and crashed.[/QUOTE]Is this what guys are getting at the higher end joints? CBJs? How does one except that kind of service? Wow.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2349275]Bkk212 - your usual spot in Blok M? Was it D's Place? I stayed a few days at a hotel just a few blocks from Blok M, but never made it to the bars at night time.[/QUOTE]Did you make it to the bars in the day time?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2337429]So, George Best said it well, "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. ".

But honors go to WC Fields who said it very well at least 40 years earlier, "I spent half my money on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The other half I wasted. ".[/QUOTE]I'm not sure about W. See. Fields, but I think George Best didn't even mention cars.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2349275]Bkk212 - your usual spot in Blok M? Was it D's Place? I stayed a few days at a hotel just a few blocks from Blok M, but never made it to the bars at night time.[/QUOTE]No my usual place in Blok M is My Bar, I know many guys don't like this bar but sometimes I find a total gem in there. And by now after so many years I sort of know who the regulars are.
I have only been to D's place once and that was when My Bar was closed for a few days last December. But I have also noticed a lot of locals visit My Bar, seems as though the clientele is changing a bit.

It would be great if Top Gun would reopen or another bar to open so that the competition will bring in some more ladies.

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2349654]I'm not sure about W. See. Fields, but I think George Best didn't even mention cars.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]It seems they both had some excellent quotes. According to the internet (and you can take that with a grain of salt), these were some of their quotes:

WC Fields "I spent half my money on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The other half I wasted. "
"Never try to impress a woman, because if you do she'll expect you to keep up the standard for the rest of your life. "
"I don't drink water. Fish fuck in it"
"Never trust a man who doesn't drink."

George Best: "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
"In 1969 I gave up women and alcohol. It was the worst 20 minutes of my life."
"I used to go missing a lot. Miss Canada, Miss United Kingdom, Miss World."
"If you'd given me the choice of going out and beating four men and smashing a goal in from thirty yards against Liverpool or going to bed with Miss World, it would have been a difficult choice. Luckily, I had both."

Hi.

Visiting Jakarta in a few days. The bars and clubs are plenty for the evening and nights. Looking for recommendation for day time freelancers. I find Cupid and Locanto difficult to use and time consuming. If any kind soul has tried and tested freelancer, please drop in a line.

Lionking.

You may try WeChat also.

[QUOTE=LionKing777;2350014] Looking for recommendation for day time freelancers. I find Cupid and Locanto difficult to use and time consuming. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LionKing777;2350014]Hi.

Visiting Jakarta in a few days. The bars and clubs are plenty for the evening and nights. Looking for recommendation for day time freelancers. I find Cupid and Locanto difficult to use and time consuming. If any kind soul has tried and tested freelancer, please drop in a line.

Lionking.[/QUOTE]Tinder and WeChat are a good option.

So went to Malio for the first time. Got out of the taxi went inside collected the band and straight to the first floor. Exited the lift. On left was the karaoke bar and right was the M bar. Headed to M bar, I am wondering that is there any other club inside Malio apart from the M bar on 1st floor. Inputs appreciated.

Thanks in Advance.

So went to McDonalds at Sarinah for the first time. Got out of the taxi went inside the McDonalds and straight to the counter. There is a McDonald's employee there at the cash register to take my order. I am wondering that is there any other seating inside this McDonalds apart from the seating on 1st floor. Inputs appreciated. I realize that I am already inside the McDonalds and could look around myself or possibly ask one of the employees, but I thought it better to ask on this forum.

Thanks in Advance.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2351062]So went to McDonalds at Sarinah for the first time. Got out of the taxi went inside the McDonalds and straight to the counter. There is a McDonald's employee there at the cash register to take my order. I am wondering that is there any other seating inside this McDonalds apart from the seating on 1st floor. Inputs appreciated. I realize that I am already inside the McDonalds and could look around myself or possibly ask one of the employees, but I thought it better to ask on this forum.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]Good one Mr Smoothy! Not sure most on here would easily grasp your humor.

Haha yes I service there is a bit different.

I usually visit that shopping centre as I stay at the Akmani, met a few ladies there, sometimes a couple offering their services out the front, all be it looking pretty ordinary.

Across the road is Enzo Spa. I have visited a few times, had FS there my last visit ended up costing me 800 but really good service.

Pedro.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2351062]So went to McDonalds at Sarinah for the first time. Got out of the taxi went inside the McDonalds and straight to the counter. There is a McDonald's employee there at the cash register to take my order. I am wondering that is there any other seating inside this McDonalds apart from the seating on 1st floor. Inputs appreciated. I realize that I am already inside the McDonalds and could look around myself or possibly ask one of the employees, but I thought it better to ask on this forum.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2351062]So went to McDonalds at Sarinah for the first time. Got out of the taxi went inside the McDonalds and straight to the counter. There is a McDonald's employee there at the cash register to take my order. I am wondering that is there any other seating inside this McDonalds apart from the seating on 1st floor. Inputs appreciated. I realize that I am already inside the McDonalds and could look around myself or possibly ask one of the employees, but I thought it better to ask on this forum.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]So if you decide to visit that specific McD for the second time and you know that you won't get any other seating inside you won't go right? Or you will still go and end up in disappointment? Or would you seek help of others to find that out.

[QUOTE=Rickym5;2351104].......... Or would you seek help of others to find that out.[/QUOTE]I'd go back find that out and report to help others. I'm not a parasite.

Bali trip is coming and I'm thinking to visit Jakarta for 3 days just to sea the scene there. As usual I do my homework reading the forum and thanks for all the great reviews and inside info. But please can you give addresses or direction how to reach these places:

Hotel Travel.

Classic (is it a hotel or just a bar / brothel?

King Cross.

Sumo.

Medika.

Be Fashion.

LA Grand.

CJs and BATS (I have no idea what is this but I saw you mentioned them few times).

*please give a recommendation to any other place that I missed and you think is worth visiting.

As far as I understand Travel, Classic and King Cross are kind of bar places full of working girls. You drink if you want, pick your girl, go to the room, party time, game over. Correct me if I'm wrong. One more thing. Can you also point which places offer some spa / jacuzzi extras.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351594]But please can you give addresses or direction how to reach these places:

Hotel Travel.

Classic (is it a hotel or just a bar / brothel?

King Cross.

Sumo.

Medika.

Be Fashion.

LA Grand.

CJs and BATS (I have no idea what is this but I saw you mentioned them few times).
[/QUOTE]The information you request is available with a simple Google search with the operator + Jakarta added at the end. Stop being lazy and asking others to do your work for you.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2351062]So went to McDonalds at Sarinah for the first time. Got out of the taxi went inside the McDonalds and straight to the counter. There is a McDonald's employee there at the cash register to take my order. I am wondering that is there any other seating inside this McDonalds apart from the seating on 1st floor. Inputs appreciated. I realize that I am already inside the McDonalds and could look around myself or possibly ask one of the employees, but I thought it better to ask on this forum.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]I would also ask the forum what is on the menu, the prices of the burgers (sandwiches for our Yankee friends) and the quality of burgers. What taxi did you use to get to restaurant and cheaper forms of transport to get there.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2351626]I would also ask the forum what is on the menu, the prices of the burgers (sandwiches for our Yankee friends) and the quality of burgers. What taxi did you use to get to restaurant and cheaper forms of transport to get there.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was remiss and forgot to ask about the menu, so I had to go hungry that night. Although I was already inside the place, I just couldn't figure it out without forum assistance.

I have to say that was a first on this forum. The guy is already inside Malioboro and is asking questions about which bars are inside Malioboro. I can understand perhaps not knowing where the place is located in the first place. If you are already inside the place and can't figure it out, that's damn sad.

On a side note, us Yankees call them burgers. I've never said I'm going to McD to get a "sandwich". A sandwich is something you get from a restaurant like Subway.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2351678]Yes, I was remiss and forgot to ask about the menu, so I had to go hungry that night. Although I was already inside the place, I just couldn't figure it out without forum assistance.

I have to say that was a first on this forum. The guy is already inside Malioboro and is asking questions about which bars are inside Malioboro. I can understand perhaps not knowing where the place is located in the first place. If you are already inside the place and can't figure it out, that's damn sad.

On a side note, us Yankees call them burgers. I've never said I'm going to McD to get a "sandwich". A sandwich is something you get from a restaurant like Subway.[/QUOTE]Apologies regarding the burger LOL. When I first found this forum I read back 100's of pages concerning the areas I was thinking of visiting and with Google earth, [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] and Skyscanner I have had satisfying visits. In my work I do have a lot of down time in the office to research but it is not that hard. As you know in the Thailand section I think some of the posters require someone to help them find their ass so God help them finding a fuck in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2351618]The information you request is available with a simple Google search with the operator + Jakarta added at the end. Stop being lazy and asking others to do your work for you.[/QUOTE]I did that and no, it is confusing. That is why I am asking. And I'm thinking that the idea of the ISG is to exchange info and help, not being a smartass. Just to avoid misunderstanding and booking a hotel to the other end of Jakarta I asked for more directions. And it is not only me, it is question that every Jakarta newcomer is asking and wondering. Almost every member of the forum had been in a new place and knows what is the felling when planning the trip. You search for info, then you are trying to locate the places and areas but you are not sure is this or that. You are confused and then you ask for help.

So please can someone actual help to all the first-timers in Jakarta that will read this post and confirm is this correct:

Classic and Travel are these places:

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g294229-d1766636-Reviews-Classic_Hotel-Jakarta_Java.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g294229-d3931453-Reviews-Hotel_Travel-Jakarta_Java.html[/URL]

King Cross, is that the place? https://www.facebook.com/DewKingCrossJakarta/

Medika (New Medika)? Jl. Daan Mogot I 27-33, Jakarta 11470 . The info is 5 years old, you can understand why i am asking for confirmation http://www.jakarta100bars.com/2014/04/new-medika-bar-massage-daan-mogot.html

Sumo https://www.theflyingdandy.com/listings/sumo-spa-jakarta/ @ Jl. Boulevard Bukit Gading Raya Blok A No.6, RT.15/RW.3, Klp. Gading Bar., Kec. Klp. Gading, Kota Jkt Utara,

Be Fashion. I found a hotel with the same name? [URL]https://www.booking.com/hotel/id/b-fashion.en.html[/URL].

LA Grand. I found a bar with the same name but no idea is that the place: Ruko Kota Indah, Jl. Pangeran Jayakarta No. 22-23, RT. 1/ RW. 2, Pinangsia.

CJ. This bar maybe? [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294229-d4266026-Reviews-CJ_S_Bar-Jakarta_Java.html[/URL].

For BATS I found only a place that they sell food: [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294229-d1924828-Reviews-B_A_T_S-Jakarta_Java.html[/URL].

Again, a simple yes or no with a link will help me and other people not to travel around Jakarta like mad just because the lack of information.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351720]I did that and no, it is confusing. SNIP

Thank you.[/QUOTE]I don't know why you would use Trip Advisor to find spots for prostitution, does that strike you as a core market for them? Do they have a "Top 25 spots to find a hooker on Jakarta?

The easiest way to find the location of places in Jakarta, or anywhere else, is. Wait for it. Google Maps.

Use the app, search using the establishment name, when you find it save it (assuming you have signed into Google Maps with disposable e-mail address). 90% of the places mentioned will show up right where they are. Some will have photos of the exteriors and sometime interior fotos. Also you will see reviews, opening and closing times, often a bar chart of when it is the most busy and how long people generally stay. Couldn't be easier!

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351720]For BATS I found only a place that they sell food: [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294229-d1924828-Reviews-B_A_T_S-Jakarta_Java.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]BATS is Bar At The Shangri La.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351720]
CJ. This bar maybe? [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294229-d4266026-Reviews-CJ_S_Bar-Jakarta_Java.html[/URL].

For BATS I found only a place that they sell food: [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294229-d1924828-Reviews-B_A_T_S-Jakarta_Java.html[/URL].

[/QUOTE]I'd agree that Google is a far better source of info than Trip Advisor.

I find it hilarious that rather than the hooker bars Trip Advisor has guided you to the restaurants in the same hotels and just a flight of stairs away. Your choice, you can go to the places indicated and either dine on a pretty nice meal or climb / descend the nearby stairs for some very different fresh meat (ie the type you are really looking for 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351720] And I'm thinking that the idea of the ISG is to exchange info and help, not being a smartass. [/QUOTE]Maybe you should take some of your own advise. There is a massive amount of information on this forum to point you exactly in the right direction, especially in the reports of distinction. It seems as if you want to be directly spoon fed. If you actually read through the Trip Advisor comments for B. A. T. S. you would have seen that it is not just food that they serve! But then the nudge-nudge, wink-wink nature of some of the comments are probably lost on you. Three of the first seven latest comments on Trip Advisor mention working girls in one way or the other. One of them directly. Actually remember seeing comments in there from people complaining of prostitutes being in there when I looked at it for reference a few years ago. So although SB wonders why you would look at TA, it can actually be useful for some basic research.

Guys, it's getting annoying. Really. These are google results with addresses of the two hotels and a bar. I found them while searching Google with the names of the places and just asked are these the correct hotels. It may sounds shocking but I don't read tripadviser comments while I'm searching for p4 p places so maybe that's why I didn't saw them. Just used these google search results asking simple thing. Is this the correct place. Yes or no answer will be more then enough.

The idea of ISG is to be a community where people are exchanging information and experiences. During last few years I received a lot of help and advices that made my trips really memorable. And I'm really grateful for that. At the same time I helped to a lot of guys sharing my experiences trying to give back. Now some of you make it like a room full with angry old men trying to be sarcastic to everything and everyone. It is sad. Stop it and lets get back to a friendly and informative type of discussion. Please if someone have visited some of these places, can you tell me - this, this and this are correct. Then I will be back to planning where to book hotels and all the trip details. Then when I got back I`ll give my review, help the next wave of travellers and so on. As it must be.

BTW few posts below I read interesting opinion - if you are at 2-3 days trip, why not to book directly at Classic Hotel and enjoy the action witout the need of travelling around Jakarta like crazy. And that is what I`m planning to do. Just wanted to be sure is this the correct hotel before booking it. Also hotel Travel is near - another place that people recommend. At the map I found one more options that you mentioned - Malioboro. And one more that I didnt saw on ISG - a place called Tease Club. Any info about it? Anyway, I guess this will be the best area if you have just 2-3 days in Jakarta and I hope I will book the correct "Classic Hotel", not something else with the same name at the other end of Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351848]a place called Tease Club. Any info about it? Anyway, I guess this will be the best area if you have just 2-3 days in Jakarta and I hope I will book the correct "Classic Hotel", not something else with the same name at the other end of Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Tease Club is in the same building, different floor as the Emporium. You should read my reports as well as many other informative BM's reports on Emporium, Malio / Malioboro, Classic, King's Cross, CJ's, BATS ect. ect. Everything you want to know has already been posted in the forum and is readily available.

As to where to stay; there are many suggestions in the Jakarta Hotel thread. Staying in Classic is one possibility. I would recommend that you read up on the Alila Jakarta & Redtop Hotel which are just down the block from the Emporium and the Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni & the Harris Vertu Hotel Harmoni which are directly opposite Malio / Malioboro. These 4 hotels put you right where you want to be and offer better accommodation that Hotel Classic at a fairly reasonable price.

Keep in mind that Jakarta is whatever you make it. The girls are great. I hope you have a good time. I am looking forward to reading your trip report.

Few years ago I was in Guangzhou and after a strange meeting with a couple of girls at the elevator I found out that there is a massage parlour few floors down. I spent interesting two days after that. I'm tempted to try it again. A party place at the same hotel that you are. Pick the girl and after 2 minutes you are at your own hotel room. Sounds good. I don't know, maybe I have some kind of nostalgic memories, but I think to try it also in Jakarta. But strangely Classic hotel is not available at [URL]booking.com[/URL]. I found it at agoda / hotels but only standard room is available. Same at the hotel website but at the same time they say that there is deluxe and suit options. Sadly not available for booking online it seems. Is there anyone that can share opinion about the Classic hotel rooms?

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351867]Is there anyone that can share opinion about the Classic hotel rooms?[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure that DCups stayed there a few years ago and liked the place. But what I did was stay nearby in the Red Planet Hotel. Around 30 usd per night from memory. Only a short walk of 5 to 10 minutes to Classic. Or there is the Pop Hotel right next to Red Planet with similar pricing.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2351860]As to where to stay; there are many suggestions in the Jakarta Hotel thread. Staying in Classic is one possibility. I would recommend that you read up on the Alila Jakarta & Redtop Hotel which are just down the block from the Emporium and the Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni & the Harris Vertu Hotel Harmoni which are directly opposite Malio / Malioboro. These 4 hotels put you right where you want to be and offer better accommodation that Hotel Classic at a fairly reasonable price.[/QUOTE]I agree, if you only plan to visit brothels while in Jakarta. I would never stay in that crap area because it's filthy in that area, but I have other interests than brothels.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351720]So please can someone actual help to all the first-timers in Jakarta that will read this post and confirm is this correct:

SNIP

Again, a simple yes or no with a link will help me and other people not to travel around Jakarta like mad just because the lack of information.[/QUOTE]Boo Hoo! As many have said, it is absolutely and ridiculously simple to plan your trip using your smartphone and a laptop. First look up something called "customise google maps" on the laptop. Then on your smartphone use Google Maps to search for the locations. By the way all the locations you have searched for are correct. Once you locate each destination on the smartphone, pin the same location on your customized map on the laptop. Over a few pins, you will develop a sort of "radius" you need to focus on. Next on the smartphone use an app like Agoda to find a hotel that sort of in the center of the circle formed by the aforementioned radius. Sounds simple enough?

A few pointers on the places listed:

1. Hotel Classic & Travel alone will be able to satisfy your mongering urges for a few days. Both are relatively close to each other and are in the general vicinity of North Jakarta.

2. Kota Indah is a place that has a dozen bars or so. LA Grand is one of them.

3. Medika is now called new Medika since renovating.

4. King Cross and Sumo are in the same complex in Kelapa Gading which is far from everything in general.

5. CJ's, BATS and other clubs are all in the Central. South Jakarta area. These are places where you go in, get a drink talk to the hookers and bring them back to your room. Simple really.

If you have more questions, get a subscription and drop a PM to any of the members here. Else, go back and read the last 500 pages. If all this does not work, stay at home.

Jakarta. Still the best place for mongers. Visited Malio club / spa as no trip to Jakarta can be complete without visiting here. Still the same with mamasans welcoming you and the top floor has a pretty quiet environment compared to the club below. So we decided to visit downstairs and our plan was to leave early but made it till 4:00 club closure time both the days.

Bought a few drinks for the girls one was really good. The club has more local FL's then the spa on the top. But I like the hygiene that's maintained by the girls.

Be Fashion seems to have quietened down. Took a massage and the girl wanted me to take extra services desperately. She was ready to come out after 12 midnight once her work ended. But was in no mood maybe will contact when I am in Jakarta next time.

CJ's seems to have a mixture of old and new FL's. Stuck to the last one as she is really good. But the rates seems to be skyrocketing. Not sure how much fellow mongers pay but the quote started at a min of 1 M IDK to 3 M.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351848]Guys, it's getting annoying. Really. These are google results with addresses of the two hotels and a bar. I found them while searching Google with the names of the places and just asked are these the correct hotels. It may sounds shocking but I don't read tripadviser comments while I'm searching for p4 p places so maybe that's why I didn't saw them. Just used these google search results asking simple thing. Is this the correct place. Yes or no answer will be more then enough.

The idea of ISG is to be a community where people are exchanging information and experiences. During last few years I received a lot of help and advices that made my trips really memorable. And I'm really grateful for that. At the same time I helped to a lot of guys sharing my experiences trying to give back. Now some of you make it like a room full with angry old men trying to be sarcastic to everything and everyone. It is sad. Stop it and lets get back to a friendly and informative type of discussion. Please if someone have visited some of these places, can you tell me - this, this and this are correct. Then I will be back to planning where to book hotels and all the trip details. Then when I got back I`ll give my review, help the next wave of travellers and so on. As it must be..[/QUOTE]Onojdi,

The information below is a reply I got when asking about staying near to Classic and Travel. Its convenient staying close to Classic and Travel but as previously mentioned this is the shitest part of town.

And if you want to do some other things in the day time other than mongering better to stay else where. Also if you are in Jakarta for 3 days you will have plenty of choice by just visiting Classic and Hotel. Hope you have a great trip.

My suggestion would be stay at any of the hotels on Gajah Madah / Hayam Waruk. From there you can easily access Classic and Travel. Also easily go to Malio. Also easily go to Kota Indah. If you are thinking about a slightly better spa like experience, then there is 1001 and Delta, both easily accessible. All places are a short 10 min ride on a GoJek (ride share app for bikes).

Alternately if you want zero down time, stay at Hotel Classic, their rooms are not bad. The brothel operates from 3 pm to 3 am every day and there are more chicks than you can possibly shag in 3 days. You are only limited by your own stamina and appetite.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351867]Few years ago I was in Guangzhou and after a strange meeting with a couple of girls at the elevator I found out that there is a massage parlour few floors down. I spent interesting two days after that. I'm tempted to try it again. A party place at the same hotel that you are. Pick the girl and after 2 minutes you are at your own hotel room. Sounds good. I don't know, maybe I have some kind of nostalgic memories, but I think to try it also in Jakarta. But strangely Classic hotel is not available at [URL]booking.com[/URL]. I found it at agoda / hotels but only standard room is available. Same at the hotel website but at the same time they say that there is deluxe and suit options. Sadly not available for booking online it seems. Is there anyone that can share opinion about the Classic hotel rooms?[/QUOTE]Classic hotel room is okay for standard room. Room is quite clean and it has standard 3 stars hotel amenities. Surely you will experience the nostalgic lounge as you had in Guangzhou.

I was in Atlanta last year ordering Chicken burger from McD, Blondie at the counter asked me if I want Combo it just the sandwich! I guess if we look at the scientific definition, Sandwich is a construction of inner filing bonded with 2 outer fillings! I would say same principle applies for Burgers! Pun intended!

Speaking of Sandwich giving me an urge of Sandwich massage now, LMAO.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2351678]Yes, I was remiss and forgot to ask about the menu, so I had to go hungry that night. Although I was already inside the place, I just couldn't figure it out without forum assistance.

I have to say that was a first on this forum. The guy is already inside Malioboro and is asking questions about which bars are inside Malioboro. I can understand perhaps not knowing where the place is located in the first place. If you are already inside the place and can't figure it out, that's damn sad.

On a side note, us Yankees call them burgers. I've never said I'm going to McD to get a "sandwich". A sandwich is something you get from a restaurant like Subway.[/QUOTE]

Alright Mr. Onojdi, I will plan a 3 days trip for you in Jakarta free of charge so that you can enjoy your trip peacefully.

Hotel:

Classic is Decent and I prefer over Travel simply based on the fact that I'm friends with most of the staff and I get VIP service. Terminal 2 & 5 is away from few flights of stairs and please don't try to google that as it won't take you anywhere! Other option is Redrop hotel which is within the vicinity but reading your request, I would suggest you to stay in classic. Agoda only shows regular room because Classic reserves the right to cell them for a ridiculous price to walking guest! So book regular room unless you fancy few square feet of extra space with a couch for almost 2 x the price.

Brothels:

Evening game: Classic has 3 options, Terminal 2, Terminal 5 and bunker (high priced spa). Travel is another option and if you are brave enough to party with locals, Kota Indah is your place.

Day Game: Kimochi Spa, Orchards Spa, Wechat, Tinder.

High-end game: Bats, Malioboro.

Let us know how your 3 days trip goes. Happy Safe Mongering.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2351867]Few years ago I was in Guangzhou and after a strange meeting with a couple of girls at the elevator I found out that there is a massage parlour few floors down. I spent interesting two days after that. I'm tempted to try it again. A party place at the same hotel that you are. Pick the girl and after 2 minutes you are at your own hotel room. Sounds good. I don't know, maybe I have some kind of nostalgic memories, but I think to try it also in Jakarta. But strangely Classic hotel is not available at [URL]booking.com[/URL]. I found it at agoda / hotels but only standard room is available. Same at the hotel website but at the same time they say that there is deluxe and suit options. Sadly not available for booking online it seems. Is there anyone that can share opinion about the Classic hotel rooms?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Always09;2352479]CJ's seems to have a mixture of old and new FL's. Stuck to the last one as she is really good. But the rates seems to be skyrocketing. Not sure how much fellow mongers pay but the quote started at a min of 1 M IDK to 3 M.[/QUOTE]You are right, the price has gotten out of hand. I guess as long as there are guys there willing to pay that much, the price won't be coming down any time soon.

Good info below but I understand from my last visit to Jakarta that staying st Classic hotel is not part of the brothel, IE; you can't go book a classic girl and take her to your room, you must only use the Terminal 2 and 5 rooms.

However I did find two places that let you stay in hotel and take girls from the brothel floor to your room as part of booking.

Club 108 (ex illegals club), you can stay in hotel and take any girl to your room for (I think) 1 m but brothel floor closes at midnight and if you want a girl after that for overnight you have to pay for 5 hour price. Its just too pricey oh yeah plus room rate is 600 k.

Better is Malio hotel.

Malio hotel at front on street is 900 k for room plus free entry to all clubs and spa. You get a special in house card that lets you come and go from malio and malio clubs as you like. You can also have all your bookings get sent to your room till early morning.

However couple issues, first you must deposit 2 m in cash which can be used to buy food and drink but can't be used for bookings so at end of stay you going to have 2 m in cash to take home or just exchange at airport when leave.

Other issue with malio, don't expect a quiet peaceful night, you will hear the music and feel the bass from club and if you near the karaoke rooms you will be serenaded to sleep by the soothing sounds of cats being strangled as the locals attempt to belt out Whitney Houston.

Not huge issue for me as I be fucking lady till 4 am as I book malio before my early morning flight out at 7 am, I don't go to malio with intention to sleep.

Any one else know of any other brothel hotels you can stay and take your booking to own room?

[QUOTE=Zippos;2352611]Alright Mr. Onojdi, I will plan a 3 days trip for you in Jakarta free of charge so that you can enjoy your trip peacefully.

Hotel:

Classic is Decent and I prefer over Travel simply based on the fact that I'm friends with most of the staff and I get VIP service. Terminal 2 & 5 is away from few flights of stairs and please don't try to google that as it won't take you anywhere! Other option is Redrop hotel which is within the vicinity but reading your request, I would suggest you to stay in classic. Agoda only shows regular room because Classic reserves the right to cell them for a ridiculous price to walking guest! So book regular room unless you fancy few square feet of extra space with a couch for almost 2 x the price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2352611] if you are brave enough to party with locals[/QUOTE]Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel, and ALL of those cheap brothels in that area of town have over 95% local guys as customers. So if you are going to any brothel in Jakarta, you are "partying" with the locals. In reality, I almost never even talk to any of the local guys wherever I am though, so I am not really partying with them. I am having sex with the local girls in those establishments, and they are always locals. To have sex with a non-local girl, you will need to go up market to a place like Malioboro.

If you want to "party" with non-local guys, you will need to leave that area of town completely and go to an area like Kemang.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2352845]If you want to "party" with non-local guys, you will need to leave that area of town completely and go to an area like Kemang.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of locals in those areas too but Zip will need an entre into the HiSo clubbber set.

A drunken 50 yo white guy asking one of their girlfriends if 1 jt is enough for a BJ would NOT be a good idea.

Enjoy. G.

Next time in classic, talk to Mamasan / Mami if you fancy any girl. She will make arrangements to send the girl to your room. I have done that. It's not something that's highly promoted but available on the menu for regulars. My tip for you, try taking Girl from same Mami couple times and offer her. There is a big tall Mami (don't remember her name) who manages girls on the right as you walk in to terminal 2, try her. She is one of the oldest Mami out there.

I have read travel hotel let's you take freelancers to the room. Haven't tried yet!

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2352761]Good info below but I understand from my last visit to Jakarta that staying st Classic hotel is not part of the brothel, IE; you can't go book a classic girl and take her to your room, you must only use the Terminal 2 and 5 rooms.

However I did find two places that let you stay in hotel and take girls from the brothel floor to your room as part of booking.

Club 108 (ex illegals club), you can stay in hotel and take any girl to your room for (I think) 1 m but brothel floor closes at midnight and if you want a girl after that for overnight you have to pay for 5 hour price. Its just too pricey oh yeah plus room rate is 600 k.

Better is Malio hotel.[/QUOTE]

Agreed with locals scene however I was referring to KI. I think locals in classic, travel is much more on the decent local crowd side compared to KI's dodgy looking ones.

Kemang is next on my bucket list.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2352845]Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel, and ALL of those cheap brothels in that area of town have over 95% local guys as customers. So if you are going to any brothel in Jakarta, you are "partying" with the locals. In reality, I almost never even talk to any of the local guys wherever I am though, so I am not really partying with them. I am having sex with the local girls in those establishments, and they are always locals. To have sex with a non-local girl, you will need to go up market to a place like Malioboro.

If you want to "party" with non-local guys, you will need to leave that area of town completely and go to an area like Kemang.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2352866]There are plenty of locals in those areas too but Zip will need an entre into the HiSo clubbber set.

A drunken 50 yo white guy asking one of their girlfriends if 1 jt is enough for a BJ would NOT be a good idea.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Yes, there are plenty of locals in Kemang as well, but you will actually find a decent number of non locals in places like Eastern Promise and other clubs in that area. As far as the HiSo clubber set, that's not really my preference, but lately I've been shagging a female DJ I met in the Fable nightclub. Nice girl. I used to shag one of the Public Relations girls from 999 in Kemang. She was a great shag. I have to admit that I did give both of them 1 jt, but that was for a lot more than just a BJ. Those type of girls are so much better in bed than the girls in the brothels.

Is it safe for a solo 51 yo white guy to bus it to Bali? Sure I could fly, but I can't see much from 40000 feet.

What about train if you are really looking towards no time issues journey and wanted to see the country. Also, would give you the options of stretching your legs while on the go. I would definitely take a train over bus for sure.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2353006]Is it safe for a solo 51 yo white guy to bus it to Bali? Sure I could fly, but I can't see much from 40000 feet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2353006]Is it safe for a solo 51 yo white guy to bus it to Bali? Sure I could fly, but I can't see much from 40000 feet.[/QUOTE]The chances of being assaulted or mugged are very low. Pickpockets do occur on the low end busses though so keep an eye on your belongings.

I'd be far more concerned about a traffic accident than safety. Especially with the Express night busses. They drive at insane speeds even by Indonesian standards, on any side of the road and collisions or rollovers resulting in multiple fatalities are common. I took one once. Never again.

Have you considered the train to Bunyuwangi?

A very pleasant trip.

Enjoy. G.

Forgive me if this info is somewhere in here. I started reading this thread from December 28,2018 (which is now Pg 54). I am presently only on January 21,2019 at Pg 43. I have a long way to go. It's hard to find the time when I have a lot of work to accomplish. Anyway, I will be in Jakarta on September 4, so I don't have much time.

I used Google, saw a lot of maps. But they are not meant for downloading. The megapixels were very low and blur when increased in size. Thanks in advance.

Funman13.

P.S. : I have been to Jakarta several times.

Download an called Ulmon City Map Andy it's free version lets you store / download up to 5/6 city maps. It uses phone GPS to do real-time offline tracking. Telkomsel Internet is relatively cheap and you may want to just use google maps. Nothing beats that.

If your heart is set on Paper Maps, try any of those tourism centers plus hotels lobby should have a tourist map. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2353151]Forgive me if this info is somewhere in here. I started reading this thread from December 28,2018 (which is now Pg 54). I am presently only on January 21,2019 at Pg 43. I have a long way to go. It's hard to find the time when I have a lot of work to accomplish. Anyway, I will be in Jakarta on September 4, so I don't have much time.

I used Google, saw a lot of maps. But they are not meant for downloading. The megapixels were very low and blur when increased in size. Thanks in advance.

Funman13.

P.S. : I have been to Jakarta several times.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2353151]Forgive me if this info is somewhere in here. I started reading this thread from December 28,2018 (which is now Pg 54). I am presently only on January 21,2019 at Pg 43. I have a long way to go. It's hard to find the time when I have a lot of work to accomplish. Anyway, I will be in Jakarta on September 4, so I don't have much time.

I used Google, saw a lot of maps. But they are not meant for downloading. The megapixels were very low and blur when increased in size. Thanks in advance.

Funman13.

P.S. : I have been to Jakarta several times.[/QUOTE]Try searching "TransJakarta" rather than MTR.

This is a composite map. I'm not too sure how good your Bahasa is but rute=route and peta=map.

[URL]http://transjakarta.co.id/peta-rute/[/URL]

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2353006]Is it safe for a solo 51 yo white guy to bus it to Bali? Sure I could fly, but I can't see much from 40000 feet.[/QUOTE]It's close to 1,200 km and would be a pretty long, painful trip. You could easily spend a couple of hours just getting out of Jakarta if your timing is wrong. If you don't want to fly you could try the train to Surabaya and bus from there.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2353203]Try searching "TransJakarta" rather than MTR.[URL]http://transjakarta.co.id/peta-rute/[/URL][/QUOTE]Good link, the legends on the side have English as well. The urban rail link is below.

[URL]http://www.urbanrail.net/as/id/jaka/jakarta.htm[/URL]

Thanks to all of you about the info and the advices, much appreciated. After reading the last 50 pages and paying special attention to your advices, I decide to expand the 3-day trip to 5 day and then to go to Bali. The idea was 2-3 days in Jakarta and 15 in Bali combining local girls, beautiful beaches and trip to all the interesting tourist places in Bali.

But I think 2-3 days in Jakarta will not be enough, so it will be 4 days mainly pussy party exploring most of the places that you told me about then more relaxed and diverse Bali trip. I just booked the tickets so now I know exact dates. It remains to book the hotel. I'm choosing between the Classic and Malio hotels. Strangely I can not find Malio hotel on booking / agoda / hotels, and at the [URL]maliohotel.com[/URL] can not find a way to book a room, only brief room info and contact us section. Did I missed something or the only way to book a room is on site?

I like to use the website [URL]https://www.rome2rio.com/map/Jakarta/Bali-Indonesia[/URL] for local travels when I travel.

I was thinking the bus for immersing myself into the local cultures.

I was worried about criminals ala central America.

But forgot about the dangers of travelling in developing nations via tour buses.

Its can be dangerous anywhere, but I have seen many horrible accidents in the news in areas like Asia south and central America.

I have even see in the news roll overs in the states with many fatalities (usually due to snow).

I will explore other options?

The train reminds me too much of an airplane experience, and I absolutely abhor every aspect of flying (not very good at seeing how the locals are living).

Just took the overnight train to st Petersburg from Moscow / it sucked.

So I took the high speed train in the reverse / not any better / just faster and cost double, without the luxury of being able to lie down in bed.

American trains suck as well, not a big fan of those in Deutschland either.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2353230]It's close to 1,200 km and would be a pretty long, painful trip. You could easily spend a couple of hours just getting out of Jakarta if your timing is wrong. If you don't want to fly you could try the train to Surabaya and bus from there.[/QUOTE]Completely agree, in fact it would be virtually insane. I can endorse the train if surface transport must be used. CzarNicholas, just google 'train Jakarta to Bali' for further guidance.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2353294]Thanks to all of you about the info and the advices, much appreciated. ........

...... Strangely I can not find Malio hotel on booking / agoda / hotels, and at the [URL]maliohotel.com[/URL] can not find a way to book a room, only brief room info and contact us section. Did I missed something or the only way to book a room is on site?[/QUOTE]I looked at this also, with the same result, so you are not missing anything. But there is a contact form [URL]http://maliohotel.com/contact-us/[/URL] so you could try that, and post the outcome on here.

I took the bus to Bali once many years ago. It's not dangerous at all. As long as you have an entire day to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away on a bus, it's fine I guess. I tried it for the same reason you want to try it, for the local culture experience. I found it to be a pain in the ass and very little cultural experience. Just a long bus ride. I wouldn't do it again because it's too cheap to fly to justify sitting on that bus so long. Don't expect any attractive girls to be on that bus, the attractive ones fly.

I was in Jogja not long ago and met a young couple from Europe who were there "for the local experience". They had rented a little house for a month out in the middle of nowhere that had no air conditioning and no tv. For transportation, they rented a motorbike, and they bought food at the local market and cooked at home every night. Personally, I can't imagine a more boring way to spend a month, but they seemed to love it. If you are like that couple, you may actually enjoy that Jakarta to Bali bus. I bet they would have.

My recommendation is to fly.

On another note, I'm curious to see if Malioboro hotel is an actual hotel with rooms you can stay in. I had always thought all rooms in that hotel were reserved for sex with the prostitutes they have in the place. I've never seen anyone checking in or out of that place with luggage.

[QUOTE=MaxAircon;2353475]I looked at this also, with the same result, so you are not missing anything. But there is a contact form [URL]http://maliohotel.com/contact-us/[/URL] so you could try that, and post the outcome on here.[/QUOTE]Very strange. I just try to send them a message via contact form but I got the "There was an error trying to send your message. Try again later. " Then I sent them an email but got the "Your message wasn't delivered to [EMAIL]info@maliohotel.com[/EMAIL] because the address couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail. " So Classic will be.

But I will try Malio at least once. I read a lot of positive reviews on ISG and it seems like a place that must be visited while in Jakarta. But I did not find exact info about the price options, so can someone tell what future visitors can expect to pay about the girl plus the room? Also is there any spa packages that includes FS combined with the typical spa extras and what are the prices if there is that kind of entertainment? And yes, I guess that someone already wrote something about that but honestly I read more than 70 pages (and keep reading) and did not find specific price options. So please don't be rude answering "read the forum" kind of things, Jakarta forum is like 10 times the size of Tolstoy's War & Peace.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2351678]

On a side note, us Yankees call them burgers. I've never said I'm going to McD to get a "sandwich".[/QUOTE]I was asked in Seattle McD whether I just wanted sandwich or combo, after ordering a double quarter pounder.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2353558]
But I will try Malio at least once. I read a lot of positive reviews on ISG and it seems like a place that must be visited while in Jakarta. [/QUOTE]Malio has to be tried. If not for Malio my whole Jakarta trip would have been a utter dud. Its a bit pricey compared to other establishments but worth it.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2353294]Thanks to all of you about the info and the advices, much appreciated. After reading the last 50 pages and paying special attention to your advices, I decide to expand the 3-day trip to 5 day and then to go to Bali. The idea was 2-3 days in Jakarta and 15 in Bali combining local girls, beautiful beaches and trip to all the interesting tourist places in Bali.

But I think 2-3 days in Jakarta will not be enough, so it will be 4 days mainly pussy party exploring most of the places that you told me about then more relaxed and diverse Bali trip. I just booked the tickets so now I know exact dates. It remains to book the hotel. I'm choosing between the Classic and Malio hotels. Strangely I can not find Malio hotel on booking / agoda / hotels, and at the [URL]maliohotel.com[/URL] can not find a way to book a room, only brief room info and contact us section. Did I missed something or the only way to book a room is on site?[/QUOTE]You can't book in advance for Malio, but they say always have a room for check in. IfFnot there plenty hotels in same area but pretty sure you get room on arrival.

As for packages with spa, don't think they do it. Just room only deal with access to everything. Ss for room don't expect anything fancy, its like a 3 star hotel standard room.

As for prices Malio, maybe someone here can enlighten on current pricing.

If I remember correctly:

Lounge in front building with dancing girls starts from 2 m up wards for one hour. Here get East EU ladies, no idea price.

Then Mbar opposite is small bar with cheaper girls, some cute some not, I think they were under One million?

Final place I know is the second building at back, with dancing states, here about 5 groups of ladies with each group taking up one couch section consisting of 20 or so girls. They start from 1 m up to 2 m (I think).

I don't know anything about spa or massage.

Somebody else here can add I am sure.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2353559]I was asked in Seattle McD whether I just wanted sandwich or combo, after ordering a double quarter pounder.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Must be how they market it now. I've literally NEVER referred to a hamburger as a sandwich in my life. They have a fish filet sandwich and a chicken sandwich, but my entire life we have only called the hamburgers - "burgers" or "hamburgers". If someone asked me if I wanted a sandwich then brought me a hamburger, I would think they were nuts. I think I'm done with McD if they are calling burgers sandwiches now. LOL.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2353558]Very strange. I just try to send them a message via contact form but I got the "There was an error trying to send your message. Try again later. " Then I sent them an email but got the "Your message wasn't delivered to [EMAIL]info@maliohotel.com[/EMAIL] because the address couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail. " So Classic will be.

But I will try Malio at least once. I read a lot of positive reviews on ISG and it seems like a place that must be visited while in Jakarta. But I did not find exact info about the price options, so can someone tell what future visitors can expect to pay about the girl plus the room? Also is there any spa packages that includes FS combined with the typical spa extras and what are the prices if there is that kind of entertainment? And yes, I guess that someone already wrote something about that but honestly I read more than 70 pages (and keep reading) and did not find specific price options. So please don't be rude answering "read the forum" kind of things, Jakarta forum is like 10 times the size of Tolstoy's War & Peace.[/QUOTE]I would just stay across the street at Harris Vertu hotel.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2353400]
I was thinking the bus for immersing myself into the local cultures.
[/QUOTE]Immerse yourself into the local cultures? During the short stops?

The credo of the intercity bus drivers in Indonesia: berani mati (I don't fear the reaper) combined with the use of drugs they need for the long hauls they make without changing, should make you think twice.

BTW I hope you are not taller than 165 cm, otherwise you will have problems stowing away your legs!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2353525]
On another note, I'm curious to see if Malioboro hotel is an actual hotel with rooms you can stay in. I had always thought all rooms in that hotel were reserved for sex with the prostitutes they have in the place. I've never seen anyone checking in or out of that place with luggage.[/QUOTE]Similar to the hotels Metropole (Pintu Besar Selatan) and Paripurna (Hayam Wuruk) in the old days. LOL.

For anyone who has been to KI, you will know the prices sit in the mid-high 300's.

You will also have noticed all bars (except Starmoon) play that annoying Kota dance music. Which incidentally cannot be fully appreciated without some help from the apotik, but that generally kills the hardon big time. Anyway I digress, they all feel the same and have the same ambience. Well that's because they are all owned by the same guy, except Starmoon.

So you get dodgy security, pushy mamasans, deafening music, and hit and miss experience.

Well, old boss man has decided to offer a premium service from the regular service mentioned above. With the soft opening TODAY of Mega Ayu. Its located in the first alley of KI and has a similar layout inside to the others. With less cigarette stains on the vinyl lounges. However the girls are the cream of the crop chosen from of all the bars there. And their price is at a whopping 705 rph.

I was privileged enough to view the merch on a pre-opening to the soft opening (how can there be a soft soft opening anyway? And can vouch they all are very cute and look like they haven't sucked on a lemon. As if often the case with the other bars.

So gents, if you feel like an upmarket experience, in a lowmarket area. Give it a try.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2353006]Is it safe for a solo 51 yo white guy to bus it to Bali? Sure I could fly, but I can't see much from 40000 feet.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't, as pointed out earlier, the road incidents are the main problem. Drive down any highway a few hours out of Jakarta and you will see buses and trucks rolled over.

Eka Lorena's buses are some of the main offenders.

Combine trip rates, unregulated speed limits, early wakeups for prayers, heavy carbs 3 times a day, and a roadfull of bad drivers. And its like a scene out of Cars movie with the tractors dosing off.

Hi gents.

Still searching for some horny white guys for a gangbang with a 18 yr old horny Indo girl, 10th Aug.

Hotel split at our cost, she wants 3 guys.

No pics and must use condoms.

Direct message me if your in town and interested.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2353658]However the girls are the cream of the crop chosen from of all the bars there. And their price is at a whopping 705 rph.[/QUOTE]There have always only been a handful of attractive girls in those bars. So now they pulled the best looking girls from those bars and doubled their price? No thanks.

Seems to me foolish to even consider giving that place any business. If it became successful, it would just result in the other places gleefully raising their prices.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2353662]Hi gents.

Still searching for some horny white guys for a gangbang with a 18 yr old horny Indo girl, 10th Aug.

Hotel split at our cost, she wants 3 guys.

No pics and must use condoms.

Direct message me if your in town and interested.[/QUOTE]Three is not a gang bang. Tell her to up the numbers if she wants a real gang bang.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2353294]Thanks to all of you about the info and the advices, much appreciated. After reading the last 50 pages and paying special attention to your advices, I decide to expand the 3-day trip to 5 day and then to go to Bali. The idea was 2-3 days in Jakarta and 15 in Bali combining local girls, beautiful beaches and trip to all the interesting tourist places in Bali.
[/QUOTE]I can only speak for myself, but I visited Bali for 5 days a few years back while working on Java. For my tastes, I found the women much, much better in Jakarta. I also found Bali to be a tourist trap. I suggest you consider a 50/50 split rather than 5 and 15. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2353525]I was in Jogja not long ago and met a young couple from Europe who were there "for the local experience". They had rented a little house for a month out in the middle of nowhere that had no air conditioning and no tv. For transportation, they rented a motorbike, and they bought food at the local market and cooked at home every night. Personally, I can't imagine a more boring way to spend a month, but they seemed to love it. [/QUOTE]Begpackers? Twatpackers? Ah well. Whatever. I just despise seeing those white women in harem pants and the guys with their shaggy beards and dreadlocks.

Does anyone know if your entry fee to CJ's allows you to come and go for the entire night, surely they don't charge for re-entry?

Plan might be to stay at Mulia and take girls up for an hour quicke, relax and then go get another and then repeat as the night sees fit, however my master plan might fall apart if need to keep paying rentry fee?

Reason stay at hotel cause I am not looking for long time, want to do 2 or 3 a night in my own hotel room (dislike the tiny rooms Classic style) plus found most of CJs girls who up for ST don't want to go far.

So was going stay Mulia or Crown Plaza near by.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2353803]I can only speak for myself, but I visited Bali for 5 days a few years back while working on Java. For my tastes, I found the women much, much better in Jakarta. I also found Bali to be a tourist trap. I suggest you consider a 50/50 split rather than 5 and 15. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Many would say it's best to combine the two ie take a girl from Java / Jakarta with you to Bali.

Seeking advice on places to go for normal massage no extras in North Jakarta. And an indication of prices. Thank you.

Abyone know if Boca Rica bar at Crowne Plaza hotel worth going to or just better go ten minutes away to CJ's for ladies?

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2353916]Does anyone know if your entry fee to CJ's allows you to come and go for the entire night, surely they don't charge for re-entry?

Plan might be to stay at Mulia and take girls up for an hour quicke, relax and then go get another and then repeat as the night sees fit, however my master plan might fall apart if need to keep paying rentry fee?

Reason stay at hotel cause I am not looking for long time, want to do 2 or 3 a night in my own hotel room (dislike the tiny rooms Classic style) plus found most of CJs girls who up for ST don't want to go far.

So was going stay Mulia or Crown Plaza near by.[/QUOTE]CJ's allows multiple entries per any given night to all its paying customers, but this policy does not apply to hotel guests since hotel guests have free complimentary access.

I also highly recommend the Fairmont Hotel which is very close to the Mulia in case you decide against the Mulia. The Fairmont is an equally fine 5 star plus hotel and cheaper than the Mulia even after adding in the CJ's minimum drink entry fee. Up to you. Both are great hotels.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2353916]Does anyone know if your entry fee to CJ's allows you to come and go for the entire night, surely they don't charge for re-entry?

Plan might be to stay at Mulia and take girls up for an hour quicke, relax and then go get another and then repeat as the night sees fit, however my master plan might fall apart if need to keep paying rentry fee?

Reason stay at hotel cause I am not looking for long time, want to do 2 or 3 a night in my own hotel room (dislike the tiny rooms Classic style) plus found most of CJs girls who up for ST don't want to go far.

So was going stay Mulia or Crown Plaza near by.[/QUOTE]3 a night? Hopefully you can negotiate them down from their 2 million rupiah asking price.

I was having sex with a girl when that earthquake hit this evening. Ruined the entire session.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2354088]I was having sex with a girl when that earthquake hit this evening. Ruined the entire session.[/QUOTE]I was having sex when the Loma Prieta quake hit. We never missed a stroke!

I will stay at FX HARRIS Sudirman next week for a couple of days. Is there any bar or spa / massage recommended in the nearby vicinity?

I was under the impression that an earthquake will make the stroke penetration deeper, LMAO.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2354102]I was having sex when the Loma Prieta quake hit. We never missed a stroke![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2353916]Does anyone know if your entry fee to CJ's allows you to come and go for the entire night, surely they don't charge for re-entry?

Plan might be to stay at Mulia and take girls up for an hour quicke, relax and then go get another..[/QUOTE]I did exactly what you propose on a return visit last May. I had 2-a-night from CJ'S when I stayed there.

As a Hotel guest, entry is free for you (and a guest). I brought a women in on Ladies Night and when Mei arrived they wanted her to pay. So I went to the desk and they allowed her as my guest.

The bar security gets a laugh out of the Hi-jinx of coming and going with multiple girls. I had a blast.

Same rules apply at BATS as well. With advance booking, I was able to get a room for $125 a night, but you have to watch online closely for price specials.

I also spent off nights (Sun to Tues) at Oakwood Suites. A 2-bedroom condo for $109 a night. One night, I had a girl sleeping in Bedroom #2 - while I'm in #1 with 2 I found at My Bar at 3 am.

Got to Love Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Realizer;2354115]I will stay at FX HARRIS Sudirman next week for a couple of days. Is there any bar or spa / massage recommended in the nearby vicinity?[/QUOTE]Hi Dear, you can go to Leyla Bar that is on level 8 in FX mall (seperate lifts in the same mall hotel is). This Bar mainly caters for Arabic tourists and starts late as compared to CJ and BATS. CJ Bar in Julia is not far from FX. This hotel is totally girl friendly.

[QUOTE=Melman111;2354241]Hi Dear, you can go to Leyla Bar that is on level 8 in FX mall (seperate lifts in the same mall hotel is). This Bar mainly caters for Arabic tourists and starts late as compared to CJ and BATS. CJ Bar in Julia is not far from FX. This hotel is totally girl friendly.[/QUOTE]This is the first time someone has posted about that bar in a long time. I thought it was called DeLeila, but it may be Leyla. If you like bigger girls, that is a really good spot to be. As you say, it's mostly Arabs that go there as well as Indians, but I like bigger girls so I also like some of the girls who go there even though I am a white guy. Any Arabic or Indian guy who has never been there is missing out.

There used to be an old Indonesian woman who hung out in there who was basically a mamasan. She had a stable of girls who mainly catered to Arabs. Those girls were taller girls with big tits and big asses. They also normally had bigger noses and whiter skin. That mamasan used to send those girls to my place. So if you see an old hag hanging around, don't discount talking to her.

[QUOTE=Melman111;2354241]Hi Dear, you can go to Leyla Bar that is on level 8 in FX mall (seperate lifts in the same mall hotel is). This Bar mainly caters for Arabic tourists and starts late as compared to CJ and BATS. CJ Bar in Julia is not far from FX. This hotel is totally girl friendly.[/QUOTE]I've been there 2 yrs ago. The ladies are probably from and-Africa, guests were from all over Arabia. CJ is what I will try out. May thanks to you and to Smoothy too.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2354279]This is the first time someone has posted about that bar in a long time. I thought it was called DeLeila, but it may be Leyla. If you like bigger girls, that is a really good spot to be. As you say, it's mostly Arabs that go there as well as Indians, but I like bigger girls so I also like some of the girls who go there even though I am a white guy. Any Arabic or Indian guy who has never been there is missing out.

There used to be an old Indonesian woman who hung out in there who was basically a mamasan. She had a stable of girls who mainly catered to Arabs. Those girls were taller girls with big tits and big asses. They also normally had bigger noses and whiter skin. That mamasan used to send those girls to my place. So if you see an old hag hanging around, don't discount talking to her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for correcting, Bar name is Deleila (not Leyla).

Yesterday was my first visit to Kimochi spa.

If you are going to depend on google map, search for New Kimochi Mabes. Only Kimochi took me to probably the earlier location, where it does not exist any more.

As I had no booking, I was asked to choose from the available ones whose photos were put up in a board. The room was basic with attached bath. The girl gave me surprisingly good massage followed by satisfactory sex. Charges are 150 K for the room for 90 minutes with tip to the girl of 300 K for full service.

Next day, I went at 11-30 AM, when all other places are closed and there was a choice of 5 girls. Chose one as per advice of the girl at the counter and it was the right choice. I dispensed with the massage and straight went for great sex. It went on for pretty long time and the girl was enjoying every bit of it. She would do just as I told her. After I came and rested for a few minutes, asked her to massage my balls and dick with oil and soon enough I was ready again. Second round was equally good. She showed signs that my performance was good and I too complimented her One of the top fucks for me. I gave her a tip of 100 K. Later I realized that was not necessary as I was charged tip of 600 K for 2 shots. Well, worth every rupiah.

So, if you are looking for a fore noon shag I recommend New Kimochi. A few of the girls had master written. I was told they are very good at massage. However, during morning hours they were not available.

Another choice may be to visit hotel spas. My only visit to the spa at Novotel Gajah Mada, the therapist was willing to go full service at the spa or room for 1. 5 million. Expensive and limited choice.

LionKing. Service at the spa or room? Rooms in the spa are good enough so her boss doesn't hear? More than likely the boss will know, and gets a cut of that 1. 5 juta.

While on the subject of Novotel, does anyone know about the Bangkok Novotel Suvarnabhumi Spa. Any extras? It is accessed by 7 minute underground walkway.

Is that the Kimchi spa correct location www.google.com/maps/place/NEW+KIMOCHI+MABES+2/@-6.150678,106.820802,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x2014fa46a112e093!8m2!3d-6.150678!4d106.820802

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2354853]LionKing. Service at the spa or room? Rooms in the spa are good enough so her boss doesn't hear? More than likely the boss will know, and gets a cut of that 1. 5 juta.

While on the subject of Novotel, does anyone know about the Bangkok Novotel Suvarnabhumi Spa. Any extras? It is accessed by 7 minute underground walkway.[/QUOTE]Both in the spa and in room is available.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2354877]Is that the Kimchi spa correct location www.google.com/maps/place/NEW+KIMOCHI+MABES+2/@-6.150678,106.820802,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x2014fa46a112e093!8m2!3d-6.150678!4d106.820802[/QUOTE]In google map, search for new kimochi and not kimochi. It comes up as a bar. But, the location is correct. The address is Jalan Mangga Besar.

My report on hotel Classic. In my last 2 visits, I had gone to the basement. This time I went to the 2nd floor. The moment I walked in, I was latched on to by a mamsm. She brought to me a few girls, who were quite decent. I could make out that there were may be 10 groups of girls, each group wearing a uniform and managed by a mamasam. The mamasams would wait by the entrance and as soon as a guy walks, he will be accosted by the mamasams. After a while, I went near the group of girls handled by the mamasam and picked a young slim beautiful one. Inside the room, she rushed things a bit and it was not a satisfactory experience. Cost was 340 K and 60 K for a beer.

LK.

[QUOTE=LionKing777;2354905]My report on hotel Classic. In my last 2 visits, I had gone to the basement. This time I went to the 2nd floor. The moment I walked in, I was latched on to by a mamsm. She brought to me a few girls, who were quite decent. I could make out that there were may be 10 groups of girls, each group wearing a uniform and managed by a mamasam. The mamasams would wait by the entrance and as soon as a guy walks, he will be accosted by the mamasams. After a while, I went near the group of girls handled by the mamasam and picked a young slim beautiful one. Inside the room, she rushed things a bit and it was not a satisfactory experience. Cost was 340 K and 60 K for a beer.

LK.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I think this MO has been mentioned here a few times by forum veterans and passer-by alike. Never let the mamasan make a decision for you in selecting a girl. Tell them firmly but politely that you would like to relax, have a drink, take a look around and make a selection by yourself. And when you are ready, you will call the waitress / mamasan and let them know about your choice.

Firstly this buys you time to settle down and take in the surroundings. It allows you to eyeball the entire range of girls available. It lets you peacefully enjoy your drink. When you walk around and look at the girls (you don't have to stuck at the table and stare at the girls, you can go closer to the bleachers and make eye contact and smile), some of them will smile back at you. Usually those are the ones that are the best service providers in the room. Also, if you are staying there for a longer period and intending to bang more than one girl, this MO gives you the opportunity to pre-select your next pop.

Also timing is important. Before 5 pm the place is dead. After 9 pm it becomes completely unviable to sit inside for more than 10 minutes.

[QUOTE=LionKing777;2354905]My report on hotel Classic. In my last 2 visits, I had gone to the basement. This time I went to the 2nd floor. The moment I walked in, I was latched on to by a mamsm. She brought to me a few girls, who were quite decent. I could make out that there were may be 10 groups of girls, each group wearing a uniform and managed by a mamasam. The mamasams would wait by the entrance and as soon as a guy walks, he will be accosted by the mamasams. After a while, I went near the group of girls handled by the mamasam and picked a young slim beautiful one. Inside the room, she rushed things a bit and it was not a satisfactory experience. Cost was 340 K and 60 K for a beer.

LK.[/QUOTE]340 is the cheapest price in town now as far as I know. Even the down market places with dirt roads in front of them are charging 380 now.

The new band at BATS has a Venezuelan girl as a member of the band. This chick may be the hottest girl I have ever seen in Jakarta. It's worth going to BATS these days just to watch her move around on stage. Hell, I think it's better than watching the dancers at malio.

On a side note, Jenny Wong and Fabio have quit the band in CJs. In my opinion, they were the best thing about that band. So that leaves only dudes in that band again. I'm bored with that friggin band, they need to fire all of those guys and replace them with a band that has no less than 2 hot girls. If they don't replace the band, they still need to hire some hot girls. They have that young guy who can't really sing as eye candy for the girls, where is the eye candy for the guys? At least I'm glad they found a song that young guy in the cjs band can actually sing. They have him singing that Sellow song by via vallen. That's a good one for someone with a weak voice like his because it doesn't require any range. I will say there is still one latin looking guy in that band who can sing. He can also break dance. LOL.

Needless to say that's the best bang for the buck in town considering quality, place and cleanliness compared to Travel, KI in my opinion.

[QUOTE=LionKing777;2354905]My report on hotel Classic. In my last 2 visits, I had gone to the basement. This time I went to the 2nd floor. The moment I walked in, I was latched on to by a mamsm. She brought to me a few girls, who were quite decent. I could make out that there were may be 10 groups of girls, each group wearing a uniform and managed by a mamasam. The mamasams would wait by the entrance and as soon as a guy walks, he will be accosted by the mamasams. After a while, I went near the group of girls handled by the mamasam and picked a young slim beautiful one. Inside the room, she rushed things a bit and it was not a satisfactory experience. Cost was 340 K and 60 K for a beer.

LK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2353916]Does anyone know if your entry fee to CJ's allows you to come and go for the entire night, surely they don't charge for re-entry?

Plan might be to stay at Mulia and take girls up for an hour quicke, relax and then go get another and then repeat as the night sees fit, however my master plan might fall apart if need to keep paying rentry fee?

Reason stay at hotel cause I am not looking for long time, want to do 2 or 3 a night in my own hotel room (dislike the tiny rooms Classic style) plus found most of CJs girls who up for ST don't want to go far.

So was going stay Mulia or Crown Plaza near by.[/QUOTE]As long as you are staying in the hotel you can re-enter any number of times. Most of the girls visiting CJ's are known to the hotel security. However if they are leaving the hotel alone after the deed believe they are asked for ID's.

Also read their first rules.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2354974]Thanks for the report. I think this MO has been mentioned here a few times by forum veterans and passer-by alike. Never let the mamasan make a decision for you in selecting a girl. Tell them firmly but politely that you would like to relax, have a drink, take a look around and make a selection by yourself. And when you are ready, you will call the waitress / mamasan and let them know about your choice.

Firstly this buys you time to settle down and take in the surroundings. It allows you to eyeball the entire range of girls available. It lets you peacefully enjoy your drink. When you walk around and look at the girls (you don't have to stuck at the table and stare at the girls, you can go closer to the bleachers and make eye contact and smile), some of them will smile back at you. Usually those are the ones that are the best service providers in the room. Also, if you are staying there for a longer period and intending to bang more than one girl, this MO gives you the opportunity to pre-select your next pop.

Also timing is important. Before 5 pm the place is dead. After 9 pm it becomes completely unviable to sit inside for more than 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]And after 1 AM the hot girls have already started heading home or have already gone upstairs to started their last date of the evening.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2355233]And after 1 AM the hot girls have already started heading home or have already gone upstairs to started their last date of the evening.[/QUOTE]I do not agree with this most nights at CJs. Many times the hottest girls don't even arrive until around 1 or even 2. Those are the chicks who are supported by some guy who is not in town and they are too lazy to get there until at least after midnight. And the hot ones who go there every night who went upstairs with a guy for a short time will be back in CJs again by 1 or 2 looking for a second (or even third or fourth) round. There are also girls arriving later from BATS on the nights where BATS is dead.

There are definitely times when you might miss out on a total hottie by arriving after 1am, but more often than not there will be some hotties arriving after 1am. I rarely arrive there before 1am.

Any of you around the timeline above in Jakarta? Prob can enlighten me with any tips you have got. Been there like 5 times still get surprises in every visit. Can meet up for some beer and discuss the talent in classic / Travel / KI and Jakarta as a whole.

OS.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2355321]I do not agree with this most nights at CJs. Many times the hottest girls don't even arrive until around 1 or even 2. Those are the chicks who are supported by some guy who is not in town and they are too lazy to get there until at least after midnight. And the hot ones who go there every night who went upstairs with a guy for a short time will be back in CJs again by 1 or 2 looking for a second (or even third or fourth) round. There are also girls arriving later from BATS on the nights where BATS is dead.

There are definitely times when you might miss out on a total hottie by arriving after 1am, but more often than not there will be some hotties arriving after 1am. I rarely arrive there before 1am.[/QUOTE]I think the BM was referring to Classic.

And I completely agree with your talent assessment at CJs. The best girls I have picked from there have all been way after midnight. I wonder how much of a role alcohol might have played in that though!

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2355704]Any of you around the timeline above in Jakarta? Prob can enlighten me with any tips you have got. Been there like 5 times still get surprises in every visit. Can meet up for some beer and discuss the talent in classic / Travel / KI and Jakarta as a whole.

OS.[/QUOTE]I won't go to any of those places, but I will go to Inul Vizta karaoke to sing some dangdut.

There are no girls there though, so you will need to bring a couple of hotties along to join us. It's a lot of fun if you bring the right girls.

So had the mispleasure of spending Sunday and Monday night in the Kristal Hotel. Visited Satu Lagi both nights, wasn't partaking as I had my current Jakarta freebie to take care of me, but just as a pointer for those possibly wishing to visit, Sunday night was dead, zero girls in the bar. Monday night I went there about 9. 30 pm and there was a few well used ladies hanging around. Some more came in a little later but absolutley nothing that I would have even considered worth the effort. Apparently there is a bit of an unwritten curfew in the place and the "ladies" are not allowed to enter untill around 10 pm. Guess that's to make sure the families living in any of the apartments have mostly cleared out. If you are there early you will see them sitting outside, close to the entrance to the swimming pool area. Some were sitting there when I left and the looks they were giving the girl I was with were great. Well she is 22 and fit as fuck, so they can be jealous all they want. Think I would avoid the place and look elsewhere, unless somebody has any info were the scene improves later in the week.

Can you recommend a spa / massage parlour that offers something like nuru / oil / body to body extras plus of course FS. I mean real naughty oily slippery body massage not the so called massage parlours that in fact are cheap brothels.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2355931]So had the mispleasure of spending Sunday and Monday night in the Kristal Hotel. Visited Satu Lagi both nights, wasn't partaking as I had my current Jakarta freebie to take care of me, but just as a pointer for those possibly wishing to visit, Sunday night was dead, zero girls in the bar. Monday night I went there about 9. 30 pm and there was a few well used ladies hanging around. Some more came in a little later but absolutley nothing that I would have even considered worth the effort. Apparently there is a bit of an unwritten curfew in the place and the "ladies" are not allowed to enter untill around 10 pm. Guess that's to make sure the families living in any of the apartments have mostly cleared out. If you are there early you will see them sitting outside, close to the entrance to the swimming pool area. Some were sitting there when I left and the looks they were giving the girl I was with were great. Well she is 22 and fit as fuck, so they can be jealous all they want. Think I would avoid the place and look elsewhere, unless somebody has any info were the scene improves later in the week.[/QUOTE]Your "freebie" paid for her own food and drink? That's pretty good you found a girl who cost you nothing. Sometimes I find those as well. A few times I met girls who pay my way for dinner and movies then screw my brains out. But freebies are not the norm in Jakarta. I actually prefer it to be a business transaction. It's normally cheaper both monetarily and emotionally in the long run than the "freebies".

Satu Lagi sucks. So does Hotel Kristal. Terrible location for anything fun. Satu Lagi was pretty good 20 years ago on Wednesday nights.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2355812]I won't go to any of those places, but I will go to Inul Vizta karaoke to sing some dangdut.

There are no girls there though, so you will need to bring a couple of hotties along to join us. It's a lot of fun if you bring the right girls.[/QUOTE]I don't like Karoke and I don't agree paying in Millions for pussy but will visit CJ'S this trip after 1 PM just to check out, will meet if you are around. PM me your dress code and secret pass to recognize you).

OS.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2355955]Can you recommend a spa / massage parlour that offers something like nuru / oil / body to body extras plus of course FS. I mean real naughty oily slippery body massage not the so called massage parlours that in fact are cheap brothels.[/QUOTE]Oil body to body naughty massages do not exist in Jakarta.

If you want a soapy massage, you can go to Kartika massage, but the girls are all over 30 years old.

Seriously, if that is the kind of action you are looking for, head directly to Thailand.

Hi guys,

I have read this forum and have already picked few spots that I want to visit while I am there next week. However I land in Jakarta at 9:30 pm. By the time I get out and reach the hotel I am guessing it will be 11:30 or so. I am staying at Hotel Ciputra. I have checked most of the good places are about 30 mins taxi ride from there but is there any thing close by that is open late night. I could wait till next day but I know I will have an itch as soon as I land and don't want to start the trip with a bad experience.

I looked at few places on Google maps but most of them shut at 9 latest 10 pm. Any inputs guys. Appreciate it.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2356101]I don't like Karoke and I don't agree paying in Millions for pussy but will visit CJ'S this trip after 1 PM just to check out, will meet if you are around. PM me your dress code and secret pass to recognize you).

OS.[/QUOTE]I have become disenchanted with CJs lately because the hot girls are all asking for 2 million rupiah. Also, the band there sucks now that Fabio and Jenny quit the band.

Karaoke is way more fun than CJs (as long as they have a good selection of Dangdut songs). An evening at Inul Vizta Karaoke costs about 500k for 4 people in the room, not millions. Split two ways, we only spend 250k each. Then again, you have to bring your own girls, and the girls are a separate charge, so it depends on which girls you bring. I was counting on you to find some nice free lance girls to join us. Tinder is always a good option. Match a girl and ask her if she has a friend to join for karaoke with you and your buddy. They are always happy to bring a friend, and all of the girls love karaoke. Of course, we need to video chat with the girls first to make sure they are acceptable looking.

I had this girl join me the other day for a karaoke evening at Inul Vizta. She wasn't much of a singer though (too shy) so I doubt I will meet her again for karaoke. I did give her money at the end of the night, 700k. She's a sweet girl, gives a great BJ and has some nice tits, so I will have her around again - but not for karaoke unfortunately.

I have been in Thailand 3 times and I know pretty good what to expect there. As I have never been in Indonesia I ask if such an experience exists. BTW soapy massage is not close to real oil / nuru massage.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2356194]Oil body to body naughty massages do not exist in Jakarta.

If you want a soapy massage, you can go to Kartika massage, but the girls are all over 30 years old.

Seriously, if that is the kind of action you are looking for, go to Thailand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2356205]I have been in Thailand 3 times and I know pretty good what to expect there. As I have never been in Indonesia I ask if such an experience exists. BTW soapy massage is not close to real oil / nuru massage.[/QUOTE]I agree. I also definitely prefer those oil / nuru massages over any of the soapies. I haven't done a soapy in years for that reason.

Jakarta isn't the place for that type of action though.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2356198]I have become disenchanted with CJs lately because the hot girls are all asking for 2 million rupiah. Also, the band there sucks now that Fabio and Jenny quit the band.[/QUOTE]I was saying 6 months ago CJs was an overrated tourist trap.

Any good places open late night near Hotel Ciputra.

I'll be in SCBD next week, CJ's is one of my targets (never been there before). Blok M is not far away, probably I will go to on one night. I guess Karaoke can be found there easily, but might be overpriced. In case someone likes to accompany me, please drop a line.

At Smoothy: 2 Mill. At CJ's is more than I expected.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2356198]
I had this girl join me the other day for a karaoke evening at Inul Vizta. She wasn't much of a singer though (too shy) so I doubt I will meet her again for karaoke. I did give her money at the end of the night, 700k. She's a sweet girl, gives a great BJ and has some nice tits, so I will have her around again - but not for karaoke unfortunately.[/QUOTE]I've only ever partaken in a karaoke evening once and that was in Cilicap. There was no nakedness in the room that night. Staff kept popping into the room for a variety of reasons, so it was hard to get a flow going. Tho I did manage to get a girl from management later that night to overnight with me in the hotel next door.

That said, what is the expectation "in the room".

BJ only? Sex?

Thanks, SEA Traveler.

I am planning a trip to Kalimantan and have to overnight in Jakatra. Wondering if recommendations for Hotels Like the Alexis which I Tried nearly a decade ago with better looking girls.

I was in BATS a week ago. It was past 11 PM and the place was full. After getting my beer, I was moving towards an empty spot, when a pretty Indo girl accosted me. We talked a little and danced a little and she popped the question of accompany me to the hotel. She asked for 1. 8 million, which I got reduced to 1. 2 million. Soon afterwards, decided to move to hotel.

While waiting for the Grab to arrive, saw a slim girl who was leaving and who exchanged a few words with my girl. Our grab car had arrived and I was quite attracted to this girl, while I had a feeling that my girl, was probably a bad choice. I told my girl whether her friend would join us for an additional 600 K. The girls exchanged In Bhasa and I was on way to hotel with both the girls.

This was my first two girls experience. The second girl was much better than the first. I am glad that I made that 600 K offer at the spur of the moment and it worked well. I asked her to join me the next evening. She came without discussing money and only after reaching, asked whether I was going to pay her anything. I offered her 1. 5 million. She was very happy and stayed till next morning.

One of my most memorable experiences.

I have some matches in Tinder though. However not to your expectations (Seen your girls Pics). My age filter is set till 35 as I like them mature more. Will PM once there.

OS.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2356198]I have become disenchanted with CJs lately because the hot girls are all asking for 2 million rupiah. Also, the band there sucks now that Fabio and Jenny quit the band.

Karaoke is way more fun than CJs (as long as they have a good selection of Dangdut songs). An evening at Inul Vizta Karaoke costs about 500k for 4 people in the room, not millions. Split two ways, we only spend 250k each. Then again, you have to bring your own girls, and the girls are a separate charge, so it depends on which girls you bring. I was counting on you to find some nice free lance girls to join us. Tinder is always a good option. Match a girl and ask her if she has a friend to join for karaoke with you and your buddy. They are always happy to bring a friend, and all of the girls love karaoke. Of course, we need to video chat with the girls first to make sure they are acceptable looking.

I had this girl join me the other day for a karaoke evening at Inul Vizta. She wasn't much of a singer though (too shy) so I doubt I will meet her again for karaoke. I did give her money at the end of the night, 700k. She's a sweet girl, gives a great BJ and has some nice tits, so I will have her around again - but not for karaoke unfortunately.[/QUOTE]

Well, considering your decade old info, Alexis has been permanently closed for a while. I would suggest Orchardz hotel which is near the airport, has a spa and you can bring the girls up to your room paying some extra.

[QUOTE=Jayagopal50;2356505]I am planning a trip to Kalimantan and have to overnight in Jakatra. Wondering if recommendations for Hotels Like the Alexis which I Tried nearly a decade ago with better looking girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2356623]I have some matches in Tinder though. However not to your expectations (Seen your girls Pics). My age filter is set till 35 as I like them mature more. Will PM once there.

OS.[/QUOTE]What? First you say you want to go to Hotel Classic, now you are saying you don't want any girls under 35?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2356664]What? First you say you want to go to Hotel Classic, now you are saying you don't want any girls under 35?[/QUOTE]Doesn't mean I don't like kittens. I tend to like more of the irregulars.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2356482]I've only ever partaken in a karaoke evening once

That said, what is the expectation "in the room".

BJ only? Sex?[/QUOTE]What you get in the room depends on which karaoke place you visit. If you go to Inul Vizta, that's a "family" karaoke so you won't likely be getting anything in the room. You have to bring your own girl from outside to that place. I will say that I was drunk there once night and I had a girl go down on me in the room there once, but when we walked out, all the staff were giggling so obviously they have cameras in those rooms to watch what you are doing.

If you go to one of the "naughty" karaoke places where you select a girl from a fishbowl, those girls will very likely have sex with you if you like. It always depends on which girl you select. If you select a wild one, she will be up for much more than one of the timid girls. The girls will normally have sex with you in the room if you get a bigger karaoke room with an attached bathroom. They go into the bathroom with you and screw you there. I assume that is because there is a camera in the tv in the actual room just like at Inul Vizta so they don't want to be on camera having sex. If you get a wild girl, you can tip her to dance for you in the room. It's hard to get them to strip completely naked to dance, but they will most times go topless and give lap dances as long as you keep tipping. Again though, it depends on the place and the girl and how drunk she is. One trick to keep in mind with those karaoke girls is that they normally avoid getting drunk by going to the bathroom and vomiting on purpose after drinking. So if your girl does 5 tequila shots, then goes to the bathroom immediately, you know why. LOL.

Everywhere is closed today and tomorrow because of a Muslim holiday. I have checked Malioboro, Classic, Tourist, Kings Cross, Sumo, CJs. Does anybody know of a place that is not closed? Or a good outcall service? I think this might be useful for a lot of us.

I have found the same thing. It is the holiday Idul Adah. And you will hear a lot of prayers, as well as the cries of dying animals. And lonely mongers.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2356888]Everywhere is closed today and tomorrow because of a Muslim holiday. I have checked Malioboro, Classic, Tourist, Kings Cross, Sumo, CJs. Does anybody know of a place that is not closed? Or a good outcall service? I think this might be useful for a lot of us.[/QUOTE]

Hello,

I will visit Jakarta for the first time in September.

I have read most posts of this forum but still quite confuse about the Sauna / Spa scene in Jakarta.

I much prefer the Sauna / Spa type of pay sex scenes.

You know, first, you get undressed, put your belongings in the locker, use the Sauna or the whirlpool, get shower, relax, and then maybe put on a bathrobe and get a glass of coke to relax even more, and then start choosing the lady for sex when I'm ready.

It seems to me that most Sauna / Spas in Jakarta are just a part of their entertainment complex?

For example, I've read that Classic Hotel has a Spa in the underground, Terminal 2 for quick threesome, and Terminal 5 for night club.

But you cannot enter another floor or even choose your lady in the spa without getting fully dressed again.

This is a strange type of spa, because most Sauna / Spa would allow you to choose the ladies and enter everywhere you can go in a bathrobe, and you can easily go back to use more facilities just by taking off the bathrobe.

Anyway,

Are there any recommend Sauna / Spa in Jakarta?

Classic Hotel is in my list already.

Also, 1001 the Pool is in my list, but I know it is more like a night club scene, but the ladies there are of the best quality from what I've heard.

Any tips?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2356964]Are there any recommend Sauna / Spa in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]There are hundreds of those type of places in Jakarta. Here are a few.

D'Heaven
Malioboro
Emporivm
Sumo
Sun City
Illigals (108 spa)
Kimochi Mabes (or Kimochi)
Tematik spa
Orchardz spa
Hotel Classic (basement level only for spa)
Golden Hands spa
Fashion hotel and spa
Fortune spa
Penthouse Massage
1001
King Cross
B'Fashion
Paradise spa
Olympic hotel and spa
FM1

If you are way north, these are in the PIK area. I haven't tried them since that's too far away from where I stay, but my indo friends tell me the spas in PIK are great. They claim if that is what you are looking for, PIK is a better area to stay at than anywhere. Supposedly also a good area for golfing, restaurants, and new malls.

Dream'5 massage (PIK)
D'Sensual massage (PIK)
Boobles massage (PIK)
Foxy Spa (PIK)
Gran Magnolia Spa (PIK)

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2356888]Everywhere is closed today and tomorrow because of a Muslim holiday. I have checked Malioboro, Classic, Tourist, Kings Cross, Sumo, CJs. Does anybody know of a place that is not closed? Or a good outcall service? I think this might be useful for a lot of us.[/QUOTE]Nothing will be open until Monday. However, It's a blessing in disguise. The girls who work in those places are now sitting around in Jakarta doing nothing. I don't think many of them actually went back to their village since it's only 2 days they have off. If you have phone numbers of the girls who work at those places, this is about the only time they will ever actually be able to come to your place. I had a girl come over Saturday who works in one of those places. I'd been wanting that girl to come over for months now and could never get her to do it (I could have paid the "booking out" fee at the place, but that is too damn expensive).

I plan to have another girl from another of those places come over Sunday.

I had almost flown to Bali for the weekend, but those girls started sending me texts, so I realized it may be a good idea to stay in Jakarta for the weekend instead.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2357017]D'Heaven[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.instagram.com/heavengading/?hl=en[/URL]

[url]https://www.instagram.com/hvntwo_best/?hl=en[/url]


We all have our preferences, but I personally think it's hard to beat D'Heaven for spa, sauna and sex. The facilities are adequate, the price is reasonable, the girls are cute, and the massage is usually pretty good as well as the sex.

DO NOT go there (or any of the other massage places) at 4 or 5pm and expect to get a girl. They will all be taken by guys who just finished work and you will have to wait until the girls are available. I would think that's just common sense, but I told a guy who lives in Pattaya he should check that place out and he went at 5pm then complained saying "why didn't you tell me it would be full at that time?" Geeze. I guess nobody works in Pattaya, but Jakarta is a city where the locals actually do work and go to massage after they finish office hours.

He then went there a week later earlier in the day and did get a girl. But he didn't even use the sauna, steam, or jacuzzi. He just went straight upstairs. What's the point to that? If you are going to do that, just go to Hotel Classic second floor and save 400k. To me, the experience is greatly enhanced by spending some time in the sauna prior to going upstairs. The massage feels so much better after a good sauna. The sex is good too of course, and the girls are cute, but I enjoy the full experience of sauna, massage, and sex.

Smoothy, you are the ultimate Jakarta mongering encyclopedia, thanks for all the tips. For my upcoming visit in Jakarta I already have like 10 to visit places, most of them based on your recommendation or reviews. It will be a real pleasure to pay my respect on a beer or two when I arrive.

About the'Heaven. I'm thinking to visit this place for an afternoon lazy spa & sex experience, but are they working between 13:00 - 16:00. The idea is to avoid the 5 pm crowd as you suggested but based on my experience usually there are not a lot of working girls during that period. Maybe the working time frame at the spa will be different. The plan is wake up, drink coffee, breakfast, spa at the'Heaven, afternoon laziness recharging and a night with a semi pro from badoo or tinder kind of day. Final question. How much will cost that the'Heaven experience with sauna, massage, sex all inclusive package? Do they have different options or it is one price and it's up to you will you use the facility or just go directly to the room with the girl?

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2357139]Smoothy, you are the ultimate Jakarta mongering encyclopedia, thanks for all the tips. For my upcoming visit in Jakarta I already have like 10 to visit places, most of them based on your recommendation or reviews. It will be a real pleasure to pay my respect on a beer or two when I arrive.

About the'Heaven. I'm thinking to visit this place for an afternoon lazy spa & sex experience, but are they working between 13:00 - 16:00. The idea is to avoid the 5 pm crowd as you suggested but based on my experience usually there are not a lot of working girls during that period. Maybe the working time frame at the spa will be different. The plan is wake up, drink coffee, breakfast, spa at the'Heaven, afternoon laziness recharging and a night with a semi pro from badoo or tinder kind of day. Final question. How much will cost that the'Heaven experience with sauna, massage, sex all inclusive package? Do they have different options or it is one price and it's up to you will you use the facility or just go directly to the room with the girl?[/QUOTE]All of the girls should be there by 11 am when they open. They close at 11 pm if I am not mistaken. When you talk to the girls working the front desk, they will ask you what you want, make it clear you want the full package including sex. They will tell you the rate and you don't have to negotiate anything with the girl in the room. I prefer the VIP room since it's not all that much more money. As much as I love the spas, I have other commitments so I don't get to those places much these days, so I am not sure of the current price. My guess would be around or just under 1 million all in.

A place like Emporivm is nicer and will likely have hotter girls too, but will be more expensive. I recommend trying both.

I think I will follow your advice and will try both. Sounds promising. About the sauna / spa. Are you alone with the chosen girl or it is like normal sauna with the visitors of the establishment just relaxing before meeting the girls?

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2357151]I think I will follow your advice and will try both. Sounds promising. About the sauna / spa. Are you alone with the chosen girl or it is like normal sauna with the visitors of the establishment just relaxing before meeting the girls?[/QUOTE]You are alone in the sauna. And whacking off in the sauna and jacuzzi area is frowned upon. I think maybe 1001 may have girls in the sauna with you. Same with Sumo.

I'm a bad one to ask about girls in the sauna because even when it's available, i refuse it. I never liked having the girls in the sauna with me at Alexis. All they do is worry about messing up their makeup.

Decided to check out the some train track action.

Arrived around 7 pm, place was busy and pumping full of girls, pimps, premen and horny guys looking for a cheap quickie. I think it was also busy because many places were closed due to the cow killing ceremony on Sunday. Walked and sat, chatted with many cewek, the price was either a red and blue or two red, didn't seem any real logic behind it, some cute girls were a red and blue, some ugly ones were two red. Anyway, didn't partake as I was on a sure-thing later in the evening.

So today, I went for a stroll to get a better look in the daytime around midday, thankfully no duff duff music and chain smoking preman. Maybe 10 girls sitting outside their digs canvassing their wares.

Considering it was the second holiest day of the year and it was before midday, I was surprised to find any offer of a quickie. As one not to pass an opportunity, I decided to partake.

The SOP stands as, girls sitting on makeshift stools, in front of their digs. They live upstairs and the short time rooms are bottom floor. I could touch the walls inside the room, and there is a bed and bin in the corner. Instructed to wash the old fella in a communal bucket located fairly in the open outside the room, before entering the love nest. Girl undresses quickly, sucks on the old fella uncovered, asks if I want a condom for the main event, presumably its an option, which I partake and she lies down with legs spread. Actually a nice round body with a decent set of boobs, little bit of pubic hair, 31 yrs old from Java Tengah - alot more choice of girls int he evening of course. No lube, so reasonably tight and gave some fairly convincing moans. Tried some naked shoots but she wouldn't let me.

Jobs done, wet whipes at hand to clean up the old fella, then a kiss goodbye and walk the 4 steps back into the maze of laneways with many other places just like this one.

All in all, as good a session as one would get elsewhere, but just in a dodgy area with dodgy rooms. Girls live above the fuk rooms and are of course a little older and more experienced thhan at classic but there are still some ones. If you are happy to be the centre of attention, be corralled into different venues, drink warm panthers amongst chain smoking locals, screw in rooms with dodgy doors then this place is for you. I love the seediness of places like this, its real and its local rarely sees foreigners as you get treated well. A mini Kalijodo, without the organization.

Once again Jakarta surprises a session before midday, $15, and on a holy day when every other brothel in town is closed.

Location is a short west walk from Kota Tua square, train lane is a small street one street away from jl Bebek Selatan, get to Jl Bebek and follows the duff duff sounds PM me if you can't find it.

Pic in room with girl, Karoake place next door not open daytime.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2355963]Your "freebie" paid for her own food and drink? That's pretty good you found a girl who cost you nothing. Sometimes I find those as well. A few times I met girls who pay my way for dinner and movies then screw my brains out. But freebies are not the norm in Jakarta. I actually prefer it to be a business transaction. It's normally cheaper both monetarily and emotionally in the long run than the "freebies".

Satu Lagi sucks. So does Hotel Kristal. Terrible location for anything fun. Satu Lagi was pretty good 20 years ago on Wednesday nights.[/QUOTE]Is that a big splash from the sarcasm hitting the floor? .

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2357212]Is that a big splash from the sarcasm hitting the floor? .[/QUOTE]No, I really do think Satu lagi and hotel Kristal do suck these days and Satu lagi was pretty damn good 20 years ago. Thats a fact.

Kristal is ok if you don't care about getting any action.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2357175]Decided to check out the some train track action.

...
Location is a short west walk from Kota Tua square, train lane is a small street one street away from jl Bebek Selatan, get to Jl Bebek and follows the duff duff sounds PM me if you can't find it.[/QUOTE]Sorry to be hopeless, but I can't work out where you mean.

Back in Jakarta on Sat and would like to go exploring. Like the seedier places so if there are any more clues you could share that would be great!

(Not a paid member yet, so no PM for me).

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2357175]Pic in room with girl, Karoake place next door not open daytime.[/QUOTE]Nice find. I'm going to have to try that karaoke. I like to live on the edge.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2357478]Nice find. I'm going to have to try that karaoke. I like to live on the edge.[/QUOTE]Let us know how you go. I get the feeling that its name may be false advertising. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2357483]Let us know how you go. I get the feeling that its name may be false advertising. 😁.[/QUOTE]Hahahha, yes a misnomer me thinks too.

[QUOTE=JamesXFisher;2357454]Sorry to be hopeless, but I can't work out where you mean.

Back in Jakarta on Sat and would like to go exploring. Like the seedier places so if there are any more clues you could share that would be great!

(Not a paid member yet, so no PM for me).

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Find tugu Pekojan. Head directly north on that road, walking left side of the road, turn left after rail line but before toll road, duck into laneway that follows the railine.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2357483]Let us know how you go. I get the feeling that its name may be false advertising. 😁.[/QUOTE]Sekar Wangi. Now that's funny. I hadn't noticed the name. However, judging from the look of that sign, that sign may be 100 years old. It may have been true when the sign was first hung.

I'll have to visit. It's hard to pass up an adventure like that. Maybe next weekend I should go to CJs and pull a girl from there then bring her to Sekar wangi for some karoake.

Arrived today, ordered a massage girl (outcall). Massage was not relevant, but a pretty girl in the age of 25. Body and face 8/10. Very good attitude, nice FS. Damage is 1.3 kIDR, certainly too much but all in all it was a nice experience.

Tomorrow I will go to CJ's. Let's see.

[QUOTE=Realizer;2357736]Arrived today, ordered a massage girl (outcall). Massage was not relevant, but a pretty girl in the age of 25. Body and face 8/10. Very good attitude, nice FS. Damage is 1.3 kIDR, certainly too much but all in all it was a nice experience.

Tomorrow I will go to CJ's. Let's see.[/QUOTE]If you paid 1.3 k rupiah, you got a bargain.

1.3 m, not so much.

[QUOTE=JamesXFisher;2357840]If you paid 1.3 k rupiah, you got a bargain.

1.3 m, not so much.[/QUOTE]Sorry, 1.3 mill rupiah is correct.

Is it just me or has the quality of women on this site taken a dive? It has been a few years since I have been to Indonesia and I was with due diligence doing my early recon work. All I can find on IC is ugly pigs who are expecting men younger than themselves to be interested in their fat ugly photos. I love Jakarta and have had some real success there in the past. Please tell me Jakarta is still as good as it was.

[QUOTE=Realizer;2357736]Arrived today, ordered a massage girl (outcall). Massage was not relevant, but a pretty girl in the age of 25. Body and face 8/10. Very good attitude, nice FS. Damage is 1.3 kIDR, certainly too much but all in all it was a nice experience.[/QUOTE]You did better than me last night. My normal massage girls were not answering me at 4 am (I am sure sleeping), so I got on Tinder. This Mita girl matched on tinder and said "massage only" for 300 k. I told her fine. I didn't find her all that hot, but she was ok and I only wanted a massage anyway. I've had some great massages from some nice girls over the years from Tinder and Wechat. However, the scrag that showed up was about the most hideous thing I had ever seen. And sadly, it was the exact same scrag that had shown up a different time with a different girl's foto on Tinder a couple of years ago. I'm sorry, but I don't even want a "massage only' from an old woman showing up when the photo displayed was a young attractive girl. Talk about false advertising. It was obviously some dude sending scrags and just using that photo for bait. Bottom line is you have to video chat with the girls and verify the girl who comes is going to be the girl in the photo. (this photo below is the actual tinder bait photo, but the one on the right is not the actual woman that showed up, but a pretty close likeness)

As far as the dating sites like Indo cupid and DIA, they were great in the past but are worthless these days. All the girls use Tinder now.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2357974]You did better than me last night. My normal massage girls were not answering me at 4 am (I am sure sleeping), so I got on Tinder. This Mita girl matched on tinder and said "massage only" for 300 k. I told her fine. I didn't find her all that hot, but she was ok and I only wanted a massage anyway. I've had some great massages from some nice girls over the years from Tinder and Wechat. However, the scrag that showed up was about the most hideous thing I had ever seen. And sadly, it was the exact same scrag that had shown up a different time with a different girl's foto on Tinder a couple of years ago. I'm sorry, but I don't even want a "massage only' from an old woman showing up when the photo displayed was a young attractive girl. Talk about false advertising. It was obviously some dude sending scrags and just using that photo for bait. Bottom line is you have to video chat with the girls and verify the girl who comes is going to be the girl in the photo. (this photo below is the actual tinder bait photo, but the one on the right is not the actual woman that showed up, but a pretty close likeness)

As far as the dating sites like Indo cupid and DIA, they were great in the past but are worthless these days. All the girls use Tinder now.[/QUOTE]On many occasions when I last visited I had a number of girls pitch 300 for a 60 even a 90 minute massage.

Felt certain that is the bate to have you book, then when you are all horned up is when the negotiations will start. Did a deal with a looker in one situation and had FS for 600 was great value, I repeated and will again on my return.

Be a dreadful shock to have someone turn up that didn't resemble what was in the pic, but then again one should never be surprised.

My thought is to be wary of the 300 massage offer as so many are using that approach.

Pedro.

Looking to make a 1st time visit for a 2-4 weeks?

Can anyone say the best time of any these months?

Late October? November? December? Jan? Feb? March?

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2358153]Looking to make a 1st time visit for a 2-4 weeks?

Can anyone say the best time of any these months?

Late October? November? December? Jan? Feb? March?

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]The period leading upto and just after New Year is the traditional wet season. No need to be alarmist but historically there have also been some pretty major floods in Jan and Feb. These are unlikely to directly affect a foreigner staying in better areas and hotels but mobility around the city can be drastically affected and girls may not be able to get into the city.

March and early April would see lots of girls on the hunt for cash prior to going home for Ramadan in late April. This might also be a period of expensive college exams but others could comment better on this.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2358261]The period leading upto and just after New Year is the traditional wet season. No need to be alarmist but historically there have also been some pretty major floods in Jan and Feb. These are unlikely to directly affect a foreigner staying in better areas and hotels but mobility around the city can be drastically affected and girls may not be able to get into the city.[/QUOTE]Not just the girls getting into the city but you also need to get to places. I was there one time and was going to Eastern Promise. Got to the street and it was bloocked, the whole street was completed flooded. Couldn't even get to the bar. Drainage in Jakarta is non-existant so even if it hasn't rained for a few hours the streets can still be flooded. It will be interesting to see how the new metro goes, will the stations flood?

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2358369]Not just the girls getting into the city but you also need to get to places. I was there one time and was going to Eastern Promise. Got to the street and it was bloocked, the whole street was completed flooded. Couldn't even get to the bar. Drainage in Jakarta is non-existant so even if it hasn't rained for a few hours the streets can still be flooded. It will be interesting to see how the new metro goes, will the stations flood?[/QUOTE]The flooding only happens in certain areas. I don't think the Metro has been built in a flood area yet. I would think it will be fine. Then again, it doesn't really go anywhere useful anyway yet. If you want to go from Plaze Indonesia to Plaza Senayan, you are fine. Other than that, forget it.

Kelapa Gading completely shuts down during the floods.

You can't predict the floods. I wouldn't even worry about what time of year to come to Jakarta. Just avoid Ramadan.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2358153]Looking to make a 1st time visit for a 2-4 weeks?
Can anyone say the best time of any these months?
Late October? November? December? Jan? Feb? March?
Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Don't go there in Muslim month of fasting.

That's 30 days, start at:

2019/5/6 2020/4/24 2021/4/13 2022/4/3.

2023/3/23 2024/3/11 2025/3/1 2026/2/18.

2027/2/8 2028/1/28 2029/1/16 2030/1/6.

2031/1/4 2032/1/8 2033/3/1 2034/1/12.

2035/1/4 2036/3/2 2037/2/1 2038/4/1.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2357498]Sekar Wangi. Now that's funny. I hadn't noticed the name. However, judging from the look of that sign, that sign may be 100 years old. It may have been true when the sign was first hung.

I'll have to visit. It's hard to pass up an adventure like that. Maybe next weekend I should go to CJs and pull a girl from there then bring her to Sekar wangi for some karoake.[/QUOTE]I was looking on Google Maps, but with the given location info from 'MasBule', I was not able to find the area.

I count on you 'SMOOTHY', the JK informer sinds years, to give us a clear route discription of the Train Track location.

My next visit to JK is in November. Thanks.

[QUOTE=DelBosque;2358663]I was looking on Google Maps, but with the given location info from 'MasBule', I was not able to find the area.

I count on you 'SMOOTHY', the JK informer sinds years, to give us a clear route discription of the Train Track location.

My next visit to JK is in November. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Tugu is "Monument".

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2357152]You are alone in the sauna. And whacking off in the sauna and jacuzzi area is frowned upon. I think maybe 1001 may have girls in the sauna with you. Same with Sumo.

I'm a bad one to ask about girls in the sauna because even when it's available, i refuse it. I never liked having the girls in the sauna with me at Alexis. All they do is worry about messing up their makeup.[/QUOTE]Sumo does not allow the girls to be brought into the pool / sauna.

[QUOTE=Realizer;2357736]Arrived today, ordered a massage girl (outcall). Massage was not relevant, but a pretty girl in the age of 25. Body and face 8/10. Very good attitude, nice FS. Damage is 1.3 kIDR, certainly too much but all in all it was a nice experience.

Tomorrow I will go to CJ's. Let's see.[/QUOTE]Did you find anything at CJ's? Any photos of the massage girl or cjs girl?

I visited Bali and Jogja in April this year. Had a wonderful time in Bali. A cute date through tinder and excellent massages at Body Arum. The massage at Body Arum was happy throughout instead of a happy ending. The masseuse keeps on fondling and one is hard the entire 90 minutes. I never had such erotic massage anywhere including in Thailand. I am planning to go to Jakarta later in October. Are there similar massage places in Jakarta? Any recommendation?

[QUOTE=JohnGaltin;2359369]I visited Bali and Jogja in April this year. Had a wonderful time in Bali. A cute date through tinder and excellent massages at Body Arum. The massage at Body Arum was happy throughout instead of a happy ending. The masseuse keeps on fondling and one is hard the entire 90 minutes. I never had such erotic massage anywhere including in Thailand. I am planning to go to Jakarta later in October. Are there similar massage places in Jakarta? Any recommendation?[/QUOTE]Where was the Body Arum you went to in Bali? I believe there are more than one of them.

There are endless good massage places in Jakarta. I believe Smoothy posted a list of many recently, go back a page or two and you will find it.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2358711]Tugu is "Monument".[/QUOTE]Thanks to all who gave pointers. I will be checking it out next Sunday morning (just over a week away). Will report back if anything interesting occurs.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;2359429]Where was the Body Arum you went to in Bali? I believe there are more than one of them.

There are endless good massage places in Jakarta. I believe Smoothy posted a list of many recently, go back a page or two and you will find it.[/QUOTE]Tried one by that name in Bali assuming the same on the left side heading to the airport.

Was told not on offer so I didn't stay although I though I have heard more is on offer there.

Pedro.

JohnGaltin,

Glad that you posted this Bali report in the Jakarta section, because I never bother looking in the Bali section. But after reading about this massage in Bali, I need to start researching the Bali forum. Your massage sounds fantastic. Do you think she was just hoping for an up sell of services, or she just really wanted to give you a super erotic massage (hoping for a good tip).

I read elsewhere that any noises would be heard from the massage cubicles, so, no extra services at Body Arum.

What the hell is up with these girls in CJ's trying to order Macallan when you ask them if they want a drink? That crap is 400k (about 30 USD) a glass. When they order for themselves, they order the cheapest drink possible. When they have you paying, they want Macallan. I had three different girls the other night try to order that. Why is that popular all of a sudden? In 20 years going there, I never had a girl ask for that. But the other night, all 3 girls I talked with tried to order it. Is this some kind of a scam where CJs is asking the girls to order that? I also had a girl demand 300 usd ST. She was smoking hot, but come on. I certainly hope nobody is actually giving these girls that much. Suffice it to say, our conversation ended there. I did not see her spending any long amount of time talking with any guy even though she was the hottest girl in the bar, so hopefully she went home empty handed.

On a better note, I went to Blok M Friday night and I was surprised that it was not bad. D's place was pretty packed. Of course the dancers at D's are nowhere near as hot as the ones at Malio, but they wear sexier outfits at D's than at Malio these days. Even though they are not as hot as the dancers at Malio, I still enjoy watching the girls wearing those skirts that don't cover their asses at all and wearing g-strings on the dance stage. My Bar had a live band until like midnight or 1 am. Due to that live band, the place had a vibe similar to the old Top Gun. My Bar was not crowded though unfortunately. I think not many people know they now have a live band like Top Gun used to have. I think they only have the band on weekends. There were still a few pretty nice girls in there. I ended up pulling a 22 year old from My Bar. Much cheaper than going to BATS or CJs. Attached here is a pic of the girl from My Bar.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2359824]On a better note, I went to Blok M Friday night and I was surprised that it was not bad. D's place was pretty packed. Of course the dancers at D's are nowhere near as hot as the ones at Malio, but they wear sexier outfits at D's than at Malio these days. Even though they are not as hot as the dancers at Malio, I still enjoy watching the girls wearing those skirts that don't cover their asses at all and wearing g-strings on the dance stage. My Bar had a live band until like midnight or 1 am. Due to that live band, the place had a vibe similar to the old Top Gun. My Bar was not crowded though unfortunately. I think not many people know they now have a live band like Top Gun used to have. I think they only have the band on weekends. There were still a few pretty nice girls in there. I ended up pulling a 22 year old from My Bar. Much cheaper than going to BATS or CJs. Attached here is a pic of the girl from My Bar.[/QUOTE]Hi Smoothy,

If you don't mind me asking what was the price of the 22 year from MyBar?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2359824]What the hell is up with these girls in CJ's trying to order Macallan when you ask them if they want a drink? That crap is 400k (about 30 USD) a glass. When they order for themselves, they order the cheapest drink possible. When they have you paying, they want Macallan.[/QUOTE]Just dock their pay in the morning. I've never done it but know a couple of guys that say they have. The girls soon learn and it would be priceless to see their face. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2359846]Just dock their pay in the morning. I've never done it but know a couple of guys that say they have. The girls soon learn and it would be priceless to see their face. 😁.[/QUOTE]Knight1001 told me he has done that. It's not a bad idea.

Nice find in My Bar. What was her opening price? Glad there is still some life in the blok, I went to CJs a couple of years ago and hated it compared to when I used to go there regularly a decade ago.

CJs must be offering some kind of kick back to the girls who get guys to buy Macallan for them. They would have no idea what it tastes like and probably would not even drink it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2359824]What the hell is up with these girls in CJ's trying to order Macallan when you ask them if they want a drink? That crap is 400k (about 30 USD) a glass. When they order for themselves, they order the cheapest drink possible. When they have you paying, they want Macallan. I had three different girls the other night try to order that. Why is that popular all of a sudden? In 20 years going there, I never had a girl ask for that. But the other night, all 3 girls I talked with tried to order it. Is this some kind of a scam where CJs is asking the girls to order that? I also had a girl demand 300 usd ST. She was smoking hot, but come on. I certainly hope nobody is actually giving these girls that much. Suffice it to say, our conversation ended there. I did not see her spending any long amount of time talking with any guy even though she was the hottest girl in the bar, so hopefully she went home empty handed.

On a better note, I went to Blok M Friday night and I was surprised that it was not bad. D's place was pretty packed. Of course the dancers at D's are nowhere near as hot as the ones at Malio, but they wear sexier outfits at D's than at Malio these days. Even though they are not as hot as the dancers at Malio, I still enjoy watching the girls wearing those skirts that don't cover their asses at all and wearing g-strings on the dance stage. My Bar had a live band until like midnight or 1 am. Due to that live band, the place had a vibe similar to the old Top Gun. My Bar was not crowded though unfortunately. I think not many people know they now have a live band like Top Gun used to have. I think they only have the band on weekends. There were still a few pretty nice girls in there. I ended up pulling a 22 year old from My Bar. Much cheaper than going to BATS or CJs. Attached here is a pic of the girl from My Bar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ceegee;2359851]
CJs must be offering some kind of kick back to the girls who get guys to buy Macallan for them. They would have no idea what it tastes like and probably would not even drink it.[/QUOTE]Exactly. They wouldn't know the difference between Macallan and rotgut.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;2359851]Nice find in My Bar. What was her opening price? [/QUOTE]Started with 1 million, was fine with 700 k.

I think when the girl ask 3 jt in cj is simply bcs they not need money and already have enough maybe bcs just back from Singapore and already planned to go there again.

You can find the same girl in different period of the year get her price down to 1.5 jt if she desperate need buy ticket for SG.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2359824]What the hell is up with these girls in CJ's trying to order Macallan when you ask them if they want a drink? That crap is 400k (about 30 USD) a glass. When they order for themselves, they order the cheapest drink possible. When they have you paying, they want Macallan. [/QUOTE]What happened to the Long Island Tea? 😒.

Maybe they go for the most expensive. I remember, a girl ordered the most expensive dish in a restaurant we were. When the dish came she looked puzzled and after two bites she said she didn't like it. She didn't know the dish.

Another trick was, that they order more than they can handle and ask for a doggy bag after the meal. That's when I started to tell them that they can order anything they want, but they have to finish that in the restaurant.

OS spent a lovely night recently at this and Jakarta honeypot. Getting there about 7 PM, there was plenty of talent lined up on the benches. The Mamas can be a little lazy at this place but OS soon had a compliant mama. What followed was a pipeline of young, sensuous poontang. OS just lets his guard down and so do the girls. Nice, friendly and most importantly, sans condom. A night to savour. OS is a big fan of Kelapa Gading. Good food, superb coffee at 6 ounces and some seriously good fun. Just next to Kings Cross is MTR2 , Sumo and some other massage joints. It's good.

Hope that helps.

OS.

The behavior of the CJ girls goes according to their need for money (when they have them they always want more and when they are without them they would do anything to have even 300 k stunner included) if a girl can afford a bottle or work in Singapore more often, she will ask for high prices and expensive spirits but when the same girl loses the possibility of buying bottles (no boy sends their money regularly or unable to travel to Singapore).

You will find these stunners entering the bar with some friends who pay beer for them and will ask 1 jt up to 700 k always a lot of hard time to kick in the morning probably talking about all the problem of his life crying.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2359924]What happened to the Long Island Tea?[/QUOTE]That drink, the Illusion, and wine have been their go-to drinks ever since I can remember. This macallan thing just happened the other night. It has to be a CJs management scam. Similar to their bullshit scams of forcing you to buy a way overpriced chocolate or cookie (that nobody wants) along with the entry drink on special event nights. They had tiny cookies shaped like indonesian flags the other night for indonesian independence day. Mandatory that you buy one for 60 k and also another 180k (minimum) for entry drink in order to enter. I pay an extra 40k to get a Long Island Iced Tea rather than the 180 for a beer.

Shangri-La is much better than Mulia when it comes to not having scams like that. Since it also appears the Mulia management is involving the girls in their scams, that is sickening. I noticed a CJs manager came over and said something to one of the girls I was with just before she ordered that drink.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2359824]

On a better note, I went to Blok M Friday night and I was surprised that it was not bad. D's place was pretty packed. Of course the dancers at D's are nowhere near as hot as the ones at Malio, but they wear sexier outfits at D's than at Malio these days. Even though they are not as hot as the dancers at Malio, I still enjoy watching the girls wearing those skirts that don't cover their asses at all and wearing g-strings on the dance stage. My Bar had a live band until like midnight or 1 am. Due to that live band, the place had a vibe similar to the old Top Gun. My Bar was not crowded though unfortunately. I think not many people know they now have a live band like Top Gun used to have. I think they only have the band on weekends. There were still a few pretty nice girls in there. I ended up pulling a 22 year old from My Bar. Much cheaper than going to BATS or CJs. Attached here is a pic of the girl from My Bar.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the fine report Smoothy, I'm glad to see that Blok M is still alive. In JK I Always stay near Blok M. As I come back next November, I look in the next days to book again a room in the area.

[QUOTE=JamesXFisher;2359607]Thanks to all who gave pointers. I will be checking it out next Sunday morning (just over a week away). Will report back if anything interesting occurs.[/QUOTE]Don't go expecting too much action before midday on a Sunday.

Like I said there were 10 girls at best at that time, most you wouldn't. If you wait until 7 pm, they will be in the hundreds, and many you would.

If your worried about it being dark and scary, then go at 5 or 6 pm, when its still light and when the married locals go after work.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2360400]Don't go expecting too much action before midday on a Sunday.

Like I said there were 10 girls at best at that time, most you wouldnt. If you wait until 7 pm, they will be in the hundreds, and many you would.

If your worried about it being dark and scary, then go at 5 or 6 pm, when its still light and when the married locals go after work.[/QUOTE]How to find this action area MasBule, starting from Pekojan Monument?

[QUOTE=Aleandros;2359919]I think when the girl ask 3 jt in cj is simply bcs they not need money and already have enough maybe bcs just back from Singapore and already planned to go there again.

You can find the same girl in different period of the year get her price down to 1.5 jt if she desperate need buy ticket for SG.[/QUOTE]Good point. I bet that was the case. I had never seen this girl before, but she was damn good looking and spoke Perfect English. She didn't just ask for 3 jt, she asked for 300 USD. But they do get even more than that in Singapore, so maybe she thought she was giving me a bargain price.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2360663]Good point. I bet that was the case. I had never seen this girl before, but she was damn good looking and spoke Perfect English. She didn't just ask for 3 jt, she asked for 300 USD. But they do get even more than that in Singapore, so maybe she thought she was giving me a bargain price.[/QUOTE]I can bet she blod slim yaa many like this lately pure psycho.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2359846]Just dock their pay in the morning. I've never done it but know a couple of guys that say they have. The girls soon learn and it would be priceless to see their face. 😁.[/QUOTE]Sometimes what I do is give them enough for a drink and tell them to order what they want, usually they will stick to the cheaper drink.

[QUOTE=DelBosque;2360140]Thanks for the fine report Smoothy, I'm glad to see that Blok M is still alive. In JK I Always stay near Blok M. As I come back next November, I look in the next days to book again a room in the area.[/QUOTE]Yes I have always reported that there are some gems in My Bar just have to be patient and wait for them to appear. Usually not on the weekend. But there are always someone interesting to be found.

I can't wait to return in December.

[QUOTE=DelBosque;2360433]How to find this action area MasBule, starting from Pekojan Monument?[/QUOTE]If your a pictures kinda guy. Then Goferrings map, posted 1 page ago is perfect.

But if words are more your style, just walk north of 'tugu Pekojan' 550 mtrs, turn left into Jl Rawa Bebek Selatan (street) and go immediately into first alley you see on the left, which is 5 mtrs off the main road you just walked up.

Is this really the quality of girls they have at Sekar Wangi Karaoke? I seriously have to find that place.

Magic of photoshop! Poorly done though.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2361238]Is this really the quality of girls they have at Sekar Wangi Karaoke? I seriously have to find that place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2361389]Magic of photoshop! Poorly done though.[/QUOTE]I thought it might be photoshop. Then again, I'm not sure about that even yet. But this photo looks real, so I am thinking about going today to get a live update. I hope this girl is available. 150k is a deal.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2361473]I thought it might be photoshop.[/QUOTE]Not Photoshop. More like timelapse. I've seen plenty of cases where your photo represents a 10 year Before and After.

Just going by my short and minimal graphic designer experience! If you pay close attention between girls body outline and background / set, you will see a very fine white border. Who ever has done it, did a pretty good job with Photoshop. It would have been an Oscar grade work if it was done by Marvel Studios.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2361518]Not Photoshop. More like timelapse. I've seen plenty of cases where your photo represents a 10 year Before and After.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Smoothy;2361473]I thought it might be photoshop. Then again, I'm not sure about that even yet. But this photo looks real, so I am thinking about going today to get a live update. I hope this girl is available. 150k is a deal.[/QUOTE]

I've seen these stunning tourist trappers many times in my life where they asses the client with few simple questions such as "what's your name, where are you from and first time in Indonesia" and start quoting prices in USD! Similar situation on WhatsApp as most of us don't change the number to local WhatsApp number.

I use a VOIP virtual number which works anywhere in the world by simply using internet and I Sheldon buy local sim as to thanks to modern technologies since everything is on the mobile apps.

Beside Singapore scene which is a very true fact, there is Dubai market which is booming, also I've seen lots of rich kids in Jakarta central who pays good money just for the fact of having these stunners and thus stunner suffers in golden pussy syndrome.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2360663]Good point. I bet that was the case. I had never seen this girl before, but she was damn good looking and spoke Perfect English. She didn't just ask for 3 jt, she asked for 300 USD. But they do get even more than that in Singapore, so maybe she thought she was giving me a bargain price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MasBule;2361208]If your a pictures kinda guy. Then Goferrings map, posted 1 page ago is perfect.

But if words are more your style, just walk north of 'tugu Pekojan' 550 mtrs, turn left into Jl Rawa Bebek Selatan (street) and go immediately into first alley you see on the left, which is 5 mtrs off the main road you just walked up.[/QUOTE]Thank You MasBule, now it is clear for me.

[QUOTE=DelBosque;2362084]Thank You MasBule, now it is clear for me.[/QUOTE]I didn't realize there would be so much interest in a dodgy area with dirt cheap service.

I can't take the credit for this discovery. All I did was a google and some sexploration.

I recommend start searching the local forums, there is SSOOOOO much info on places, that have never made a mention on this forum.

Here is the thread relating the recent discovery, all 329 pages of it [URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/557aa0c998e31b71068b456d/reborn-again-ka-ef-ce-day-and-night-to-dawnlife-story/327/?order=asc[/URL].

Which led me to this video [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptaqLqzVWy4[/URL] , which shows the start of the area at 5. 31.

Here are a few other threads of popular places.

[URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/56478e3bd89b092b288b4568/pp-di-daerah-muwardi-iwan-cahaya-new-ampold-santoso/?ref=threadlist-275&med=thread_list&style=compact[/URL]

[URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/55f27a2f1a997538258b456a/pp---di-tg-priok/23/?order=asc[/URL]

[URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/55df58cc582b2e38238b456b/nightlife-jl-raya-daan-mogot/?ref=threadlist-275&med=thread_list&style=compact[/URL]

And the main page, where these threads can be found [URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/forum/275/nightlife--events/?ref=postlist&med=breadcrumb[/URL] and all 79 pages of mongering action.

Please report back your discoveries, and post about a place that this forum has never heard of before.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2362166]I didn't realise there would be so much interest in a dodgy area with dirt cheap service.

I can't take the credit for this discosvery. All I did was a google and some sexploration.

I recommend start searching the local forums, there is SSOOOOO much info on places, that have never made a mention on this forum.

Here is the thread relating the recent discovery, all 329 pages of it [URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/557aa0c998e31b71068b456d/reborn-again-ka-ef-ce-day-and-night-to-dawnlife-story/327/?order=asc[/URL].

Which led me to this video [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptaqLqzVWy4[/URL] , which shows the start of the area at 5. 31.

Here are a few other threads of popular places.

[URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/56478e3bd89b092b288b4568/pp-di-daerah-muwardi-iwan-cahaya-new-ampold-santoso/?ref=threadlist-275&med=thread_list&style=compact[/URL]

[URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/55f27a2f1a997538258b456a/pp---di-tg-priok/23/?order=asc[/URL]

[URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/55df58cc582b2e38238b456b/nightlife-jl-raya-daan-mogot/?ref=threadlist-275&med=thread_list&style=compact[/URL]

And the main page, where these threads can be found [URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/forum/275/nightlife--events/?ref=postlist&med=breadcrumb[/URL] and all 79 pages of mongering action.

Please report back your discoveries, and post about a place that this forum has never heard of before.[/QUOTE]Looks like fun. I don't like that the guy entitled his video "one of the most dangerous places in Jakarta". I can't think of a safer city in the world than Jakarta. It's a down market area for sure, but I wouldn't feel unsafe at all walking around that area.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2362199]Looks like fun. I don't like that the guy entitled his video "one of the most dangerous places in Jakarta". I can't think of a safer city in the world than Jakarta. It's a down market area for sure, but I wouldn't feel unsafe at all walking around that area.[/QUOTE]Totally agree, and in this country, a smile wins over anyone.

Be confident, smile a lot, try and have a laugh or two.

Both the men and the women in these places seriously encourage our activity. They seem proud to show off their Indonesian women and delight in the fact that us Westerners want to screw them.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2361540]I use a VOIP virtual number which works anywhere in the world by simply using internet[/QUOTE]Dear Zippos,

How do you do that?

Will appreciate if you can share.

Thanks mate.

AC.

Use pocket WiFi for Internet. If you have iPhone X, use eSim from Airalo. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=AugustChrist;2362217]Dear Zippos,

How do you do that?

Will appreciate if you can share.

Thanks mate.

AC.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

I am Jakarta and will be here for a year.

Can you please advise I some good contacts. Thank you for help.

Hi everyone,

Can anyone please tell me the dress code for CJs and Bats?

Can you get in with trainers, t-shirt and jeans or does it have to be a smart shirt, trousers and smart shoes?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=EnjoySexLife;2362786]Hi,

I am Jakarta and will be here for a year.

Can you please advise I some good contacts. Thank you for help.[/QUOTE]Lease a condo near Pekojan Monument and withdraw a stack of Blue notes.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EnjoySexLife;2362786]Hi,

I am Jakarta and will be here for a year.

Can you please advise I some good contacts. Thank you for help.[/QUOTE]Tinder is your friend.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2362848]Hi everyone,

Can anyone please tell me the dress code for CJs and Bats?

Can you get in with trainers, t-shirt and jeans or does it have to be a smart shirt, trousers and smart shoes?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]As long as you don't wear a tank top, shorts or sandals, you are fine. I always wear jeans and tennis shoes. Most times I wear a long sleeve shirt with a collar, but I have worn t-shirts there. It's places like DragonFly that don't allow t-shirts. I wouldn't wear one of those black or white "undershirt" type of t-shirts that are so popular, those might not get you in.

They expect a smart standard of dress.

If it is smart casual, I see no problem.

Anybody know the pretty, slim, flat chested Amel from BATS?

Keen to know how traveled she is.

Memories has almost died a death.

Fought for my life in there recently, one man died in the fight.

Jaksa is empty.

Blok M has been taken over my Africans.

My Bar is still the go from anytime at night to 6 am.

BATS and CJs are over rated with Yank cover bands for music that get really annoying really quickly. I wait for the dance music inbetween.

The girls vary, and I haven't seen any stunners amongst them.

[QUOTE=RegLeCrispe;2363223]Anybody know the pretty, slim, flat chested Amel from BATS?

Keen to know how traveled she is.[/QUOTE]I know 3 slim flat chested girls named Amel there. Do you have her photo?

[QUOTE=RegLeCrispe;2363231]Blok M has been taken over my Africans.[/QUOTE]D's place and My Bar were still ok when I was there recently.

But the taxi drivers agree with you. I have known those taxi drivers for years. I took a taxi from there last week and asked the driver how business was at Blok M and the guy said "Blok M no good now because of Obama Bar and all the black guys. The black guys always fighting and bad people. " I hadn't seen evidence of that, but I take him for his word since he's there every night.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2363083]As long as you don't wear a tank top, shorts or sandals, you are fine. I always wear jeans and tennis shoes. Most times I wear a long sleeve shirt with a collar, but I have worn t-shirts there. It's places like DragonFly that don't allow t-shirts. I wouldn't wear one of those black or white "undershirt" type of t-shirts that are so popular, those might not get you in.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your advice and all the other posts you have made. Very helpful.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2363260]I know 3 slim flat chested girls named Amel there. Do you have her photo?[/QUOTE]I cannot attach it.

Hey Smoothy,

I have a possible layover option in Jakarta this NewYear for few days. I've tried KL scene in past where FL hikes their price by 2 x-3 x as part of their New Year resolutions! From your experience in living Jakarta, how busy / crazy scene would be in-terms of visiting Classic / King Cross? I would like to play safe to avoid overcrowded, sweaty and Intoxicated mens grinding me at classic or at similar places. LMAO.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2359824]What the hell is up with these girls in CJ's trying to order Macallan when you ask them if they want a drink? That crap is 400k (about 30 USD) a glass. When they order for themselves, they order the cheapest drink possible. When they have you paying, they want Macallan. I had three different girls the other night try to order that. Why is that popular all of a sudden? In 20 years going there, I never had a girl ask for that. But the other night, all 3 girls I talked with tried to order it. Is this some kind of a scam where CJs is asking the girls to order that? I also had a girl demand 300 usd ST. She was smoking hot, but come on. I certainly hope nobody is actually giving these girls that much. Suffice it to say, our conversation ended ther. I did not see her spending any long amount of time talking with any guy even though she was the hottest girl in the bar, so hopefully she went home empty handed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2363260]I know 3 slim flat chested girls named Amel there. Do you have her photo?[/QUOTE]I tried attaching it. Maybe you have to be a paying member to put up photos.

That sounds silly, if so.

[QUOTE=RegLeCrispe;2363595]I tried attaching it. Maybe you have to be a paying member to put up photos.

That sounds silly, if so.[/QUOTE]My goodness, I don't even know that girl. You may have found a new one on the scene. She's not my type though, so perhaps I just didn't notice her, but I really can't recall her face at all and I go there often.

Just landed in India after the trip not much to talk about usual Classic travel and sumo options and 2 movies and a freelancer.

Some thing I noticed they are pushing too much for taking 2 girls argument is I am big. Loosing interest in the hobby thinking should look at casual hook ups and not paid services any more. They are not as fun as they used to be.

Didn't go KI or CJ's this time that's the only regret. Have stopped alcohol and so was a boring trip most of the time.

OS.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2363677]My goodness, I don't even know that girl. You may have found a new one on the scene. She's not my type though, so perhaps I just didn't notice her, but I really can't recall her face at all and I go there often.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Smoothy.

Oh, she's a regular, alright. CJ's, BATS, Eastern promise, My Bar.

Thanks for your reply.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2363459]Hey Smoothy,

I have a possible layover option in Jakarta this NewYear for few days. I've tried KL scene in past where FL hikes their price by 2 x-3 x as part of their New Year resolutions! From your experience in living Jakarta, how busy / crazy scene would be in-terms of visiting Classic / King Cross? I would like to play safe to avoid overcrowded, sweaty and Intoxicated mens grinding me at classic or at similar places. LMAO.[/QUOTE]I have never myself, nor known anyone who spent New Years Eve in Hotel Classic, King Cross, or any other brothel in Jakarta, so I have no idea. That's a night I always hang out with a special girlfriend, usually at some New Year's party event. I do know one thing, you need to pick a spot that night and just stay there because the traffic is a nightmare that night. I make sure I arrive at my party spot by 10pm and never even attempt to go home until around 3am because much of the city is gridlock until then.

Thanks much Smoothy for the info. Gridlock is the kinda Info what I was actually looking for. I'm going to have to take an earlier flight oppose to arriving at late night flight.

Only Special GF option I have, wants to go to Raja Ampat which I'm not looking forward to. I will see how everything plans out. Look at the bright side, if I ended at Classic! I will be the first person you will know who had spent an evening at Classic / King Cross. LMAO.

Thanks much again.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2363997]I have never myself, nor known anyone who spent New Years Eve in Hotel Classic, King Cross, or any other brothel in Jakarta, so I have no idea. That's a night I always hang out with a special girlfriend, usually at some New Year's party event. I do know one thing, you need to pick a spot that night and just stay there because the traffic is a nightmare that night. I make sure I arrive at my party spot by 10pm and never even attempt to go home until around 3am because much of the city is gridlock until then.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2364035]Thanks much Smoothy for the info. Gridlock is the kinda Info what I was actually looking for. I'm going to have to take an earlier flight oppose to arriving at late night flight.

Only Special GF option I have, wants to go to Raja Ampat which I'm not looking forward to. I will see how everything plans out. Look at the bright side, if I ended at Classic! I will be the first person you will know who had spent an evening at Classic / King Cross. LMAO.

Thanks much again.[/QUOTE]Will probably end like most things on new years eve. Once the fireworks are over you will be wondering what's to eat!

You hit the nail right on head! That's exactly what I was doing on last Eve. For a split second I was thinking you are a mind reader. LOL. Me and my little buddy both were hungry and even though there was snack options for me, my main course was wasted and passed out. Definitely not a great memory I would like to repeat in this lifetime.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2364271]Will probably end like most things on new years eve. Once the fireworks are over you will be wondering what's to eat![/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3024103/chinas-yuan-currency-slides-fresh-11-year-low-sparking-fears[/URL]

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2365115][URL]https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3024103/chinas-yuan-currency-slides-fresh-11-year-low-sparking-fears[/URL][/QUOTE]Great. Something to look forward to.

I arrived in Jakarta during the original Asian Currency Crisis, KrisMon. Crashing local currencies, civilian foreigners scared to come due to blanket news coverage of riots in the streets, World Bank predatory loans sending '000's of girls into unemployment. Talk about a monger paradise.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2365442]Great. Something to look forward to.

I arrived in Jakarta during the original Asian Currency Crisis, KrisMon. Crashing local currencies, civilian foreigners scared to come due to blanket news coverage of riots in the streets, World Bank predatory loans sending '000's of girls into unemployment. Talk about a monger paradise.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I'll extend my extended visit from 6 weeks to 6 months this winter LMAO long live our lord and savior Donald J Trump!

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2365115][URL]https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3024103/chinas-yuan-currency-slides-fresh-11-year-low-sparking-fears[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3023957/south-koreas-economy-facing-perfect-storm-japan-trade[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2363997]I have never myself, nor known anyone who spent New Years Eve in Hotel Classic, King Cross, or any other brothel in Jakarta, so I have no idea. That's a night I always hang out with a special girlfriend, usually at some New Year's party event. I do know one thing, you need to pick a spot that night and just stay there because the traffic is a nightmare that night. I make sure I arrive at my party spot by 10pm and never even attempt to go home until around 3am because much of the city is gridlock until then.[/QUOTE]Great advice.

I remember my 2012 new year in Jakarta. On the road in a taxi gridlocked and it was raining. I had a hottie with me in the car. Could not do anything though, as there was cars and people all around. By the time things eased up it was nearly 2.30 am and all I wanted by then was her mouth around my cock. At least I got that.

Never again.

For my visit to Jakarta in July I based myself in Kemang. First, I checked out Eastern Promise, I guess it was too early at 11 pm, mostly regular customers. I left and went to Block M to check out the bars on Falatehan street. At midnight Saturday it was quiet. At my last visit in 2016 this street was still interesting, not so much now. Of the four bars still open only My Place and the's had customers. My Place was the best of them, it had a live band, so I had a drink. Very few women though, and none of them of interest to me. Question: is Sunday through Thursday better than Friday and Saturday here?

I went back to Kemang. At 1 am Eastern Promise had picked up; the live band was good, and some good-looking women were present. Typically, the best ones already had company, or seemed to be civilians in mixed groups. And that's the challenge with a place kind of a place: only a fraction of the women is available. Well, it's not that difficult to find out who is. After I short while a beautiful one kept standing next to me, so I chatted her up. She was eager to go, I suggested 500 k, she responded 1 m. As she was so hot I agreed and off we went. She was nice, horny and good in bed, nice body with large boobs. Only st though. Yes, I was lucky, since none of the other available girls in the bar were that pretty.

Eastern Promise can be an interesting place to pick up girls, but it's a hit and miss situation. Few girls are available and most of the 30+ half-pretty MILF types (I guess I am a bit spoiled and picky).

I ended up meeting the same girl again instead, this worked out fine for me.

I returned to Jakarta for another visit in August 2019. Saturday night I went to Eastern Promise again, the place was full and rocking. I wasn't satisfied with the selection though, so I grabbed a taxi to Bats at Shangri La.

The entrance fee of 150 k includes one drink. At 1 am the bar was really jammed with party people. I felt I should had arrived earlier though, like 11 pm, because at 1 am all the best girls were already taken. The ones left were mostly in the 30+ age group, typically a bit chubby round-faced "Mid-Eastern looking". I chatted up a few of them, all were eager to go, but I didn't ask about details. (From this forum I've learned that 1. 5 m is common, and I think that's too much, and surprisingly much, for some worn milfs.).

Next time I will go there earlier in the evening. A question: is short time or long time most common here these days? Another question: which days are best? Are Sundays good?

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2365600]I returned to Jakarta for another visit in August 2019. Saturday night I went to Eastern Promise again, the place was full and rocking. I wasn't satisfied with the selection though, so I grabbed a taxi to Bats at Shangri La.

The entrance fee of 150 k includes one drink. At 1 am the bar was really jammed with party people. I felt I should had arrived earlier though, like 11 pm, because at 1 am all the best girls were already taken. The ones left were mostly in the 30+ age group, typically a bit chubby round-faced "Mid-Eastern looking". I chatted up a few of them, all were eager to go, but I didn't ask about details. (From this forum I've learned that 1. 5 m is common, and I think that's too much, and surprisingly much, for some worn milfs.).

Next time I will go there earlier in the evening. A question: is short time or long time most common here these days? Another question: which days are best? Are Sundays good?[/QUOTE]Sunday night at BATS is normally lame since they have a local indo band instead of the band with the hot Venezuelan chick. I'm not sure that coming earlier to BATS will help much, but let us know if it does. I rarely have any problem picking up a nice girl in her 20's there even at closing time 3 am. I haven't taken one of those over 30 milfs yet, but there were some there the other night I would have taken.

Any photos of the EP chick with the nice body and large boobs? I'm attaching an old photo of the current bartender at EP named Deah from her My Bar calendar days.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2365674]Sunday night at BATS is normally lame since they have a local indo band instead of the band with the hot Venezuelan chick. I'm not sure that coming earlier to BATS will help much, but let us know if it does. I rarely have any problem picking up a nice girl in her 20's there even at closing time 3 am. I haven't taken one of those over 30 milfs yet, but there were some there the other night I would have taken.

Any photos of the EP chick with the nice body and large boobs? I'm attaching an old photo of the current bartender at EP named Deah from her My Bar calendar days.[/QUOTE]Nice photo. If you see Putry buddy please give her a good pumping and regards from me!

Visiting Jakarta after 6 years. My usual source DIA seems ti be dead. I hear that Instagram is the latest hunting ground. I have not used it for this. Can some expert guide on how to make contact using Instagram. Thanks in advance. Will post results on trying.

I worked on Java in 2014 and spent some time in Jakarta during my tenure there.

My favorite haunts were CJ's, then BATS, and Top Gun.

Near the end of my stay, I discovered Maribaya Spa in Hotel Melawi thanks to posts by Koperen Klaas. At the time there were a fair amount of negative posts about the place but it suited me well and I always enjoyed it. Low key, small, decent looking girls, excellent service, GFE attitude, BBBJ & a fair price at 600 k. I made maybe 6 visits and loved every one.

I would go there for fun in the afternoon (Arti) or early evening (Ani) before the evening began at 10 pm at CJ's or BAT'S. I like to get there early and get a good seat near the entry door to peruse the talent walking in.

I was sad to learn of the demise or Maribaya a few years ago.

I've never been to Classic, Travel, Starmoon, 1001, MTR2, Kings Cross, Malio, Malioboro etc - so I can only imagine what those places are like based on the descriptions here.

I have spent weeks perusing the forum, in part, searching for a replacement for Maribaya. I do not like huge meat markets where there is mostly perfunctory or starfish performance - which seems to be places like Classic or Travel. A GFE attitude and personality tops my list. I don't need stunners and can always find a girl who I think is pretty. I go more for the "girl next door" look anyway.

*Is there any alternative similar to Maribaya in 2019 as I return for a few weeks in November.

BBBJ is a must for me. So I need place where those girls who will are more of the majority.

Thanks, SEA Traveler.

I have a 10 hour layover on the way to Raja Ampat and have booked a room at the Bandara Orchardz hotel outside of the airport. The spa on the 5th floor looks like it will suit my needs after a long flight with a massage and some release. Are you allowed to choose the girl you want or is it a next in line thing. In addition to the type of room you choose for the massage my understanding is 500 K is the price for FS with a total of approx 800 K all in, just want to make sure there are no other surprises the girl will hit me up for, can someone confirm this? I might take a girl when I arrive to the hotel then go back for another visit before my flight that night.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2367765]I discovered Maribaya Spa in Hotel Melawi thanks to posts by Koperen Klaas. At the time there were a fair amount of negative posts about the place but it suited me well and I always enjoyed it. Low key, small, decent looking girls, excellent service, GFE attitude, BBBJ & a fair price at 600 k. I made maybe 6 visits and loved every one.

*Is there any alternative similar to Maribaya in 2019 as I return for a few weeks in November.

BBBJ is a must for me. So I need place where those girls who will are more of the majority.[/QUOTE]Maribaya was the best service in Jakarta bar none. You won't find a place that has girls who provide great BJs and sex like those girls did. You also won't find a place with such a laid back atmosphere where you can sit and enjoy a beer in relative peace before selecting a girl. Yes, the girls there were not very attractive after 2009, but prior to that there were some very nice girls working there. Late 90's and early 2000's it rocked. Even at the end when the girls were not as young and attractive as in the glory years at Maribaya, I would still go there on occasion simply because the service was so far superior to anywhere else in town. Of course, the rooms at Maribaya sucked and they never renovated them much. Like Koperan, I also had some of the Maribaya girls come to visit me at my place on occasion. I probably had about 10 Maribaya girls come to my place over the years. I think both Koperan and I had Shela come to visit us many times. LOL. Shela was always rotating between working Top Gun and working Maribaya, she could never make up her mind. I believe the guys who used to complain on this forum about Maribaya are guys who walked in there and saw the girls were older than 20 years old so they never even tried it. They don't know what they were missing.

Even though Maribaya is gone, any of the other places you mentioned do have BBBJ and will provide decent service. Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel must have been losing business because the girls there now do not demand condoms anymore and they are providing much better service than before. If you enjoyed Maribaya, you may want to try Kartika. You don't hear much about that place here, but it also has girls who are older that provide good service like the Maribaya girls. I suggest you try a few different places and figure out which you like best. You already have the list.

I'm attaching a few old photos of Maribaya for you.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2367765]I've never been to Classic, Travel, Starmoon, 1001, MTR2, Kings Cross, Malio, Malioboro etc - so I can only imagine what those places are like based on the descriptions here.

......

BBBJ is a must for me. So I need place where those girls who will are more of the majority.

Thanks, SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]Just go to Classic or Travel. I suggest going to Classic / Travel after 6-6:30 pm and before 10 pm (Sunday is a bust as many girls are not working at those two establishments). After 10 pm, majority of the girls are taken and room do not get clean as much. For BBBJ, I found that girls at Travel are more willing to comply with the request.

OS was cruising around Jakarta in a car one night after a meal with my wife and some local friends. This is OS's real wife who has always claimed to want to go to a bar and sing dangdut, and she can sing!. We shall call her lady OS in deference to her social standing.

So I suggested we go to Cafe Asmora.

We get there and they are all pretty apprehensive about the location. The Ambonese outside had them on edge.

We go in and it's a smoky old dump all right, all these pink saloon girls who looked well past their use by label are perched down the edges and it's just us in the seats peering through the smoke at this rip roaring 10 piece dangdut band. OS thought it was great but my local friends were having none of that and couldn't wait to get out of there. So we down one beer each and hot tail it back to the car which some woman has attached herself to as our new found security. We all stink of cigarette smoke.

After this experience, OS has had to accept that his true love seems reluctant to perform in the seedy dives that are the heartland of the dangdut genre and that she may just be a bathroom star, never to be at Cafe Asmora with every gangster and cowboy in town cheering on.

But OS thinks he could probably quite enjoy a night there snuggled up to some middle aged fattie, or the YYY bar, or the Priok bars. You just get hazy and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2368174]Maribaya was the best service in Jakarta bar none. You won't find a place that has girls who provide great BJs and sex like those girls did. You also won't find a place with such a laid back atmosphere where you can sit and enjoy a beer in relative peace before selecting a girl.
I'm attaching a few old photos of Maribaya for you.[/QUOTE]Hey Smoothy,

Thanks for the pics and time travel. I was never there prior to working on Java in 2014. The rooms look the same, but the lounge area (in 2014) usually only had 5 or 6 girls. But I found 2 or 3 I really liked and stuck with them. I also had Rita over to my hotel once (and videotaped the encounter).

Thanks for the feedback.

I visited M. O. Bar back in 2014 several times on lady's night. The girl's drinks are free so that is at least partial motivation for the girls to come. It was never overly crowded, tho I did go earlier in the evening, but I did meet a few nice ladies that made the stop worthwhile.

I haven't read anything in the last 100 pages about Mandarin Oriental (other than Gekko's taxi dilemma).

According to Facebook. MO bar still has lady's night on Tuesday and Thursday from 8 pm to 1 am.

Does anyone out there have an update or a recent visit?

[QUOTE=FlyingSparkz;2336631]I know it is the norm to want to bang the young and the beautiful. I kind of like variety sometimes and like to bang a older beautiful woman.

I hear eastern promise is the place to find such girls. I would be grateful if anyone could confirm this with personal experience and if there are other places. Would be grateful for any inputs.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]What is this eastern promise?

[QUOTE=GCNovice;2368225]For BBBJ, I found that girls at Travel are more willing to comply with the request.[/QUOTE]Valid comment and I'm not here to dispute. But for my few visits and in my cases only, I had better luck at Classic and much better luck at any of the KI places. Actually, I've never received a CBJ in KI ever and been there a lot, always BBBJ.

Lucky you! I always had CBJ at Classic! I thought they don't give BBBJ. On the other side, few girls I picked up from Lokasari Square gave BBBJ.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2368618] But for my few visits and in my cases only, I had better luck at Classic and much better luck at any of the KI places. Actually, I've never received a CBJ in KI ever and been there a lot, always BBBJ. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jason55;2368572]What is this eastern promise?[/QUOTE]It's a restaurant / Bar / club in Kemang.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2368618]Valid comment and I'm not here to dispute. But for my few visits and in my cases only, I had better luck at Classic.[/QUOTE]I had girls at Hotel Classic ask for condom for BJ in the past, but lately they don't ever ask. The ones who did ask for condom, I cancelled the session immediately and walked back out and asked the mamasan for a different girl. I will not accept that in Indonesia. One time I actually did let the girl do it since she was so hot, but I regret it to this day. Lately the Classic girls haven't even asked for a condom for sex, let alone for BJ. In the past, they always asked for one for sex. I don't go to Hotel Travel anymore because I don't like the environment (I am not a smoker). But for sure the girls at Hotel Travel are just as good looking as at Classic. In the past when I used to go to Travel, I never had them ask for a condom. But I haven't been there in 10 years. The girls at Malioboro have never asked for a condom for BJ either, but I only go with the local girls and never with the imports, I do hear the imports will on occasion. None of the girls at the places at Kelapa Gading like King Cross or MTR2 have ever asked me for a condom, not even for sex. I don't think getting a BBBJ in Jakarta is much of a concern. The main concern is going to be finding a place that is as laid back to hang out in as Maribaya. Many of the down market places are a nightmare environment at night with lower class locals smoking everywhere, crowded, and loud as hell music. Hotel Classic doesn't bother me, especially classic bunker on the ground floor. That's a good spot to visit. Bunker is not only a nicer environment to hang out, it's the cheapest place in town for that type of action. It's only 330 k. I prefer King Cross and Malioboro simply because the environment is much nicer due to them charging a cover that keeps the lower class locals out, but classic bunker is the best value for money in Jakarta in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2368846] The girls at Malioboro have never asked for a condom for BJ either, but I only go with the local girls and never with the imports, I do hear the imports will on occasion..[/QUOTE]I've been to Malioboro twice. Quite the maze. I've been with one girl in the quiet bar at the top. When I went up there, she looked like she was sitting with her boyfriend. Such a stupid move for me to pick her but she was the prettiest and cheapest. Total starfish. Didn't want to do anything. Why bother working in this field?

The other girl was on a different occasion. One of the pretty ones from the main couch area. Again, nothing memorable so I just stopped going to this place.

Always got what I wanted except for one time at KI. But it takes a bit of work to check out 300 girls in five different smoke filled locations.

Grand MTR is my new favorite in that shithole alley.

Hey Smoothy,

Are you referring to that spa as a bunker which is right across the small convenience store and open restaurant, more of at underground level Or am I missing something here? So far I know classic has, that underground spa, Terminal 2 and Terminal 5!

I would definitely like to find out that bunker place if it's not the same spa where they have the option of 330 k / pop.

I went to that spa once where both hotties at the reception quoting me 1.2/1.3 for massage!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2368846]I had girls at Hotel Classic ask for condom for BJ in the past, but lately they don't ever ask. The ones who did ask for condom, I cancelled the session immediately and walked back out and asked the mamasan for a different girl. I will not accept that in Indonesia. One time I actually did let the girl do it since she was so hot, but I regret it to this day. Lately the Classic girls haven't even asked for a condom for sex, let alone for BJ. In the past, they always asked for one for sex. I don't go to Hotel Travel anymore because I don't like the environment (I am not a smoker). But for sure the girls at Hotel Travel are just as good looking as at Classic. In the past when I used to go to Travel, I never had them ask for a condom. But I haven't been there in 10 years. The girls at Malioboro have never asked for a condom for BJ either, but I only go with the local girls and never with the imports, I do hear the imports will on occasion. None of the girls at the places at Kelapa Gading like King Cross or MTR2 have ever asked me for a condom, not even for sex. I don't think getting a BBBJ in Jakarta is much of a concern. The main concern is going to be finding a place that is as laid back to hang out in as Maribaya. Many of the down market places are a nightmare environment at night with lower class locals smoking everywhere, crowded, and loud as hell music. Hotel Classic doesn't bother me, especially classic bunker on the ground floor. That's a good spot to visit. Bunker is not only a nicer environment to hang out, it's the cheapest place in town for that type of action. It's only 330 k. I prefer King Cross and Malioboro simply because the environment is much nicer due to them charging a cover that keeps the lower class locals out, but classic bunker is the best value for money in Jakarta in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2369046]I've been to Malioboro twice. Quite the maze. I've been with one girl in the quiet bar at the top. When I went up there, she looked like she was sitting with her boyfriend. Such a stupid move for me to pick her but she was the prettiest and cheapest. Total starfish. Didn't want to do anything. Why bother working in this field?

The other girl was on a different occasion. One of the pretty ones from the main couch area. Again, nothing memorable so I just stopped going to this place.

Always got what I wanted except for one time at KI. But it takes a bit of work to check out 300 girls in five different smoke filled locations.

Grand MTR is my new favorite in that shithole alley.[/QUOTE]Maybe try MTR2 in Kelapa Gading. The rooms and the girls are nicer. Hell, MTR has the worst rooms, that was the very first place built in that area and it's also the least renovated. The quality of the rooms is important for me.

I don't take the girls at Malioboro from the cheap "quiet bar" anymore. In my opinion, if you plan on going to Malioboro to take a girl from that room these days, it's not worth it. There used to be nice girls there years ago, but now I take the more expensive girls for 800 k simply because the quality to so much better. Yes, the price is double, but honestly 800 k is only about 60 usd.

Classic Bunker is on the ground level floor when you first walk in, it is not the spa in the basement. I love the rooms and the overall experience at bunker, it's only 330 k, and the ambience is nice.

For me, there is not a lot of difference between 330 k and 800 k because I value my time and the total quality of the experience more than I value an extra 35 usd. The rooms at Malioboro are quite nice, the girls are also nice and fucked less often than the ones at the cheaper places, and I only shag once a day anyway so I can afford an extra 35 bucks.

I literally feel like a stupid fool not for noticing the bunker, specially after visiting / staying at Classic numerous times! I may just have to take a flight to CGK just to explore the bunker now. LOL. All theses time I was thinking Classic only had Spa, Terminal 2 and Terminal 5.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2369156]Classic Bunker is on the ground level floor when you first walk in, it is not the spa in the basement. I love the rooms and the overall experience at bunker, it's only 330 k, and the ambience is nice.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jason55;2368572]What is this eastern promise?[/QUOTE]Restaurant / bar in Kemang. Pretty good western food. Band plays Fri / Sat and they have quite a few freelancers around those nights. Other nights it 's a bit hit and miss.

Hi all,

I'll be back in Jakarta in October and will arrive on a Tuesday night.

I'll do some travelling and will have one more night at the end of my trip in Jakarta and was wondering if Blok M is still a good destination for meeting a lovely 20-30 year old for the night.

I'm not really into the big brothel places and would prefer to be with a freelancer.

So is Blok M still a good place to play?

This will be my first time in Kelapa Gading and I'm confused about Sumo. Google map shows two Sumo's. There is Sumo Shiatsu in the northern part of KG and then there is Sumo Hotel and Spa in the southeast corner of KG. When someone just says Sumo, which one is he talking about?

Thanks for clearing up my confusion!

Guys,

I'm traveling to Jakarta next weekend and would need some good contacts to spend time with.

Please let me know, appreciate your help! And by the way this forum rocks!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=GrandPop;2369555]This will be my first time in Kelapa Gading and I'm confused about Sumo. Google map shows two Sumo's. There is Sumo Shiatsu in the northern part of KG and then there is Sumo Hotel and Spa in the southeast corner of KG. When someone just says Sumo, which one is he talking about?

Thanks for clearing up my confusion![/QUOTE]The Sumo you want is in the next alley over from Kings Cross and MTR2.

Hope that helps.

OS.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2369824]The Sumo you want is in the next alley over from Kings Cross and MTR2.

Hope that helps.

OS.[/QUOTE]Thanks, OS, for the info. I'm still not sure. Is it next to Delta Spa, or is it really close to Kings Cross? Thanks again!

It's the Sumo Shiatsu, pretty much on a straight line right across MTR2.

[QUOTE=GrandPop;2369555]This will be my first time in Kelapa Gading and I'm confused about Sumo. Google map shows two Sumo's. There is Sumo Shiatsu in the northern part of KG and then there is Sumo Hotel and Spa in the southeast corner of KG. When someone just says Sumo, which one is he talking about?

Thanks for clearing up my confusion![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrandPop;2369838]Thanks, OS, for the info. I'm still not sure. Is it next to Delta Spa, or is it really close to Kings Cross? Thanks again![/QUOTE]Sumo Shiatsu is what you want. Also all these places mentioned are in the same compound a the literally a couple of minutes walk between each other.

Hi guys!

I am in Indonesia for 3 months and will need help from brothers here.

Need your kind help to.

- find good places for picking up best girls.

- best massage place with full service.

- any freelancer numbers.

GFE will be awesome to have. Drink' s on me when we meet.

Thanks in advance guys.

[QUOTE=Bkkvistor77;2369422]Hi all,
So is Blok M still a good place to play?[/QUOTE]All I can say is, "It depends".

Definitely not the Blok of years gone by. BUT, on my trip last year I stopped in on my first night and found the best girl of my trip. Bar none. I had her over 3 nights out of 10.

One thing is certain, the Blok is late night, so you really need to go around 3 am. I arrived at 4 am on a Thursday and found Lia last year.

I'll be back in November and I'll be sure to drop in my first night while jet lag from the USA is in full effect.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=Austin857;2369946]Hi guys!

I am in Indonesia for 3 months and will need help from brothers here.

[/QUOTE]Just so I'm clear, you live in Jakarta and need help to get laid??

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Austin857;2369946]Hi guys!

I am in Indonesia for 3 months and will need help from brothers here.

Need your kind help to.

- find good places for picking up best girls.

- best massage place with full service.

- any freelancer numbers.

GFE will be awesome to have. Drink' s on me when we meet.

Thanks in advance guys.[/QUOTE]Yup, I guess theres no harm in asking, and asking, and asking. 15 of your 17 posts do exactly that. The other two are to tell somebody their inbox is full

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2370245]Yup, I guess theres no harm in asking, and asking, and asking. 15 of your 17 posts do exactly that. The other two are to tell somebody their inbox is full[/QUOTE]So. You are passing up on those drinks? No. LOL.

[QUOTE=Austin857;2369946]Hi guys!

I am in Indonesia for 3 months and will need help from brothers here.

Need your kind help to.

- find good places for picking up best girls.

- best massage place with full service.

- any freelancer numbers.

GFE will be awesome to have. Drink' s on me when we meet.

Thanks in advance guys.[/QUOTE]Hello,

This advice is from personal experience from 2 years ago. It should still work today.

1) Put Wechat on your phone. Open the look around for people close by. Within 10 minutes you will have 20+ girls messaging you all saying they will give massage but no ++. After they enter your room and you show them money (they will do anything for very low prices usually) they will be undressed in 1 second sharp and if you are undressed already they will mount you in the 2nd second and try to get your little one in without a condom no matter if it is already hard or not. At that point you either convince them to shower and condom first are you go with it and start pumping. Very easy.

2) After the deed you can ask her for friends whom look more specific to what you like in looks and promise them a finders fee. Next 10 girls will be bonking on your door and you can have the pick of the litter.

If you have the advantage of being there for a longer time this process should be even easier. Plus department store girls, shop girls any kind of girl is usually in for at least a coffee with a well behaved reasonably dressed male. And many will agree to continue in your room.

Also look 1 or 2 pages back in this forum and you will see many many places mentioned. Also google for Jakarta 100 bars website.

This is all assuming you are a recently decent person (not looks but personality wise). Also with google translate you can have funny conversations. The girls usually like a fun character, whom also shows an interest in them, unless the girl is really hardcore. Your looks usually don't matter unless she is a rich princess. And even rich and middle class girls will go with fat 45 year old ugly slobs like myself once they find out I have a nice personality (and no I am not rich).

I have not been in Jakarta many times. And the last time was 2 years ago. But ever since my first time there around 2001 I have never ever had a problem finding girls, even the ones to your own liking! It just is a matter of being resourceful, respectful, funny.

I really hope to get lucky and be there for a longer time again soon. Good luck!

[QUOTE=Austin857;2369946]Hi guys!

I am in Indonesia for 3 months and will need help from brothers here.

Need your kind help to.

- find good places for picking up best girls.

- best massage place with full service.

- any freelancer numbers.

GFE will be awesome to have. Drink' s on me when we meet.

Thanks in advance guys.[/QUOTE]You need to learn to speak some of the Indonesian language. I can help a bit. Get a taxi around midnight and ask him to take you to Taman Lawang. The way to say that in Indonesian is pronounced like this: "ke tahman lahwang bapa. Saya mau kamu bantu saya charee benchong". Then just wait for nature to take it's course.

I look forward to your field report.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2370640]You need to learn to speak some of the Indonesian language. I can help a bit. Get a taxi around midnight and ask him to take you to Taman Lawang. The way to say that in Indonesian is pronounced like this: "ke tahman lahwang bapa. Saya mau kamu bantu saya charee benchong". Then just wait for nature to take it's course.

I look forward to your field report.[/QUOTE]What's there at Taman Lawang?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2370640]You need to learn to speak some of the Indonesian language. I can help a bit. Get a taxi around midnight and ask him to take you to Taman Lawang. The way to say that in Indonesian is pronounced like this: "ke tahman lahwang bapa. Saya mau kamu bantu saya charee benchong". Then just wait for nature to take it's course.

I look forward to your field report.[/QUOTE]While this is hilarious asf I would still appeal to the good side of people to not cause harm to another OP knowingly. If you don't want to help, that is fine. You can ignore. Perhaps go as far as asking them to RTFF along with a few sarcastic comments.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2370640]You need to learn to speak some of the Indonesian language. I can help a bit. Get a taxi around midnight and ask him to take you to Taman Lawang. The way to say that in Indonesian is pronounced like this: "ke tahman lahwang bapa. Saya mau kamu bantu saya charee benchong". Then just wait for nature to take it's course.

I look forward to your field report.[/QUOTE]Damn! Looks like the cat's out the bag about Taman Lawang. Been trying to keep that place to myself forever.

You bastard Smoothy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2370640]You need to learn to speak some of the Indonesian language. I can help a bit. Get a taxi around midnight and ask him to take you to Taman Lawang. The way to say that in Indonesian is pronounced like this: "ke tahman lahwang bapa. Saya mau kamu bantu saya charee benchong". Then just wait for nature to take it's course.

I look forward to your field report.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Make sure the report contains detailed description of the action and reaction.

I believe Smoothy is try to transition Austin into Austin Powers. LMAO.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2370640]You need to learn to speak some of the Indonesian language. I can help a bit. Get a taxi around midnight and ask him to take you to Taman Lawang. The way to say that in Indonesian is pronounced like this: "ke tahman lahwang bapa. Saya mau kamu bantu saya charee benchong". Then just wait for nature to take it's course.

I look forward to your field report.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2370920]Damn! Looks like the cat's out the bag about Taman Lawang. Been trying to keep that place to myself forever.

You bastard Smoothy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2370945]Hahaha. Make sure the report contains detailed description of the action and reaction.[/QUOTE]

First day (Monday) around 4 PM went to be'Fashion. Up to the 9th floor. Mama show me few girls selected one with nice boobs. I shower alone no assisted shower here. She started with massage. It was decent massage but for the heaven sake she avoided playing with my dick balls or ass. After the massage I asked for full service. She wanted to give me CBJ, I asked for BBBJ. I was told it is always CBJ. So let her proceed and then she rode me cow girl for a while and I fuck her in missionary and doggy. No DFK. Damage 750 K for the service and 320 K for the room.

Second day went to Sumo Shiatsu in Kelapa Gading around 2 PM. It was closed and I was told it will open after 5 PM. Didn't want to waste a day so went to Classic Terminal 2 around 11 PM. Again same routine as be'Fashion. No DFK, CBJ and no assisted shower. Damage 365 K for the service. I can not remember I pay for the room here or not.

Third day I went to the'Heaven in Kelapa Gading around 2 PM. This place is almost same as other spas. CBJ, No DFK. Damage 350 K for the service, 420 K for the room.

Since I was staying at Shangri La went to BATS around 11 PM. Stay there for may be 90 minutes before selecting a MILF she asked for 1.5 M. This is the First Lady gave me assisted shower BBBJ and DFK. One time came in her mouth and other time came in her pussy with condom. After the deed send her home.

Fourth day went to My Bar after midnight. Stay there for a while and picked up a girl. Same routine as BATS lady. Damage 1 M.

Fifth day, I went to Malioboro. This place has sharks. The girls can smell whether you are first time visitor. I was attached by like 5 girls all wanted drinks and call the bar man. I told him no, so three of the girls left. Then the other two were petering for drinks and I gave up. Within five minutes they down 4 drink each and another girl joined she downed 3 drinks. At this point I ask the girls for sex they were pushing for blowjobs. I told them no I need sex. So now mama came and show me it will cost something like 3.4 M for sex. I don't know whether she included the drinks with sex or not but I told her it is too expensive. The girls left me the minute I said I need sex. This place really sucks. So left paid 850 K for the drinks.

I ended up in BATS, selected another lady it was around midnight. She wanted 2 M. I did not want to negotiate so say OK let's go. 2 rounds with DFK, BBBJ and a good massage as well.

Last day in the town booked taxi to go to be'Fashion. He took me to Fashion Hotel. This place also has a spa. Went to 6th floor. Ask for skinny girl. The service her is much better than the other spas. She actually massage my dick and balls play with my ass. Again no DFK, CBJ. Damage 685 K.

So bottom line is there are lot of massage places and girls available but with my short stay it seems if you need some sort of GFE you better selected Freelancers. Forget about PSE.

[QUOTE=ScorpioAngel;2370823]What's there at Taman Lawang?[/QUOTE]Jokes aside, bencong is a slang that means ladyboy. Just say you want to look for cewek, pronounced as "Chae Wek", which means girl, and you should be good there.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2371160]Jokes aside, bencong is a slang that means ladyboy. Just say you want to look for cewek, pronounced as "Chae Wek", which means girl, and you should be good there.[/QUOTE]The K is usually silent. So maybe chae way should get results. Kan?

[QUOTE=OrientalLover;2371045]


Fifth day, I went to Malioboro. This place has sharks. The girls can smell whether you are first time visitor. I was attached by like 5 girls all wanted drinks and call the bar man. I told him no, so three of the girls left. Then the other two were petering for drinks and I gave up. Within five minutes they down 4 drink each and another girl joined she downed 3 drinks. At this point I ask the girls for sex they were pushing for blowjobs. I told them no I need sex. So now mama came and show me it will cost something like 3.4 M for sex. I don't know whether she included the drinks with sex or not but I told her it is too expensive. The girls left me the minute I said I need sex. This place really sucks. So left paid 850 K for the drinks.

[/QUOTE]It's a shame you didn't quite get to enjoy the delights of Jakarta but the girls in Malioboro certainly did cotton on very quickly that you were a new guy, as indeed did all the other girls and you ended up with a pretty dire and expensive experience because you didn't slow down, relax and get a feel for your circumstances and negotiate a bit.

What you are describing in Malioboro was a feeding frenzy by titty dancers. They wanted lady drinks (that was the symbol you mistook for a blowjob offer), they get paid on the basis of how many little shots you buy them (are you not familiar with this concept?) You buy them drinks and they give you a lap dance, the number and speed of the drinks is usually within your control, up to a point, and if you only want one dancer you simply wave the others away. The dancers are extremely expensive to hire for sex as they make money on the floor cadging drinks.

The girls you wanted for sex were lined up on benches or walking around behind a mamasan, did you not see them?

Next time, wherever it is you visit, be it a high end club or strip joint / brothel like Malioboro or Classic, take it easy. Just walk in like you own the place get a table, order a beer and just chill out, look around you, watch what the other punters are doing. Relax and smile, don't accept the first piece of flashtail that presents herself at your table looking for cash. You are the customer, you are in charge. If you make it obvious to all concerned that you are a newbie with lots of cash to throw around, well, I am sorry, you are going to get rolled pretty quickly and leave feeling less than whelmed.

Oh, and don't expect to be passionately kissed by a h00 ker in a brothel, that's not how it's done, and honestly when you think where her tongue has been 20 minutes earlier, are you missing out on much?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2371210]It's a shame you didn't quite get to enjoy the delights of Jakarta but the girls in Malioboro certainly did cotton on very quickly that you were a new guy, as indeed did all the other girls and you ended up with a pretty dire and expensive experience because you didn't slow down, relax and get a feel for your circumstances and negotiate a bit.

What you are describing in Malioboro was a feeding frenzy by titty dancers. They wanted lady drinks (that was the symbol you mistook for a blowjob offer), they get paid on the basis of how many little shots you buy them (are you not familiar with this concept?) You buy them drinks and they give you a lap dance, the number and speed of the drinks is usually within your control, up to a point, and if you only want one dancer you simply wave the others away. The dancers are extremely expensive to hire for sex as they make money on the floor cadging drinks.
[/QUOTE]If you are referring to Malio Club, 20 Ladies Drink is the price for a blow job behind the curtain area on the upper level, so they may have been angling for that!

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2371160]Jokes aside, bencong is a slang that means ladyboy. Just say you want to look for cewek, pronounced as "Chae Wek", which means girl, and you should be good there.[/QUOTE]So you went to Taman Lawang and said you wanted to look for "Chae Wek" and you were good there? I'd like to hear some details about that story.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2368174]Maribaya was the best service in Jakarta bar none. You won't find a place that has girls who provide great BJs and sex like those girls did. You also won't find a place with such a laid back atmosphere where you can sit and enjoy a beer in relative peace before selecting a girl. Yes, the girls there were not very attractive after 2009, but prior to that there were some very nice girls working there. Late 90's and early 2000's it rocked. Even at the end when the girls were not as young and attractive as in the glory years at Maribaya, I would still go there on occasion simply because the service was so far superior to anywhere else in town. Of course, the rooms at Maribaya sucked and they never renovated them much. Like Koperan, I also had some of the Maribaya girls come to visit me at my place on occasion. I probably had about 10 Maribaya girls come to my place over the years. I think both Koperan and I had Shela come to visit us many times. LOL. Shela was always rotating between working Top Gun and working Maribaya, she could never make up her mind. I believe the guys who used to complain on this forum about Maribaya are guys who walked in there and saw the girls were older than 20 years old so they never even tried it. They don't know what they were missing..[/QUOTE]When Maribaya closed, some said it was because of bankruptcy, others said it was for renovations. Silfi, formerly of Maribaya, didn't know but was interested.

Last June I took a look at the 6th floor (you can just walk in and take the elevator) and there was much sound of construction work going on in the former bar area. Could there actually be a renovation going on with the aim of bringing back a rejuvenated Maribaya? Who knows.

Regards.

Ko.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2368174]<SNIP>

I'm attaching a few old photos of Maribaya for you.[/QUOTE]By the way, photos. What has happened to the site? When I try to open a photo, a postage stamp sized picture opens.

Do other members experience the same?

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2371527]By the way, photos. What has happened to the site? When I try to open a photo, a postage stamp sized picture opens.

Do other members experience the same?[/QUOTE]I don't seem to have that problem. They all pop up full size for me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2371334]So you went to Taman Lawang and said you wanted to look for "Chae Wek" and you were good there? I'd like to hear some details about that story.[/QUOTE]I don't know anything about Taman Lawang. Judging from all these, I have the impression that the place is filled with ladyboys. I am only trying to say that the word used to find girls in Jakarta is to use the word "cewek" for those who are new to the language. I didn't mean to imply to go to Taman Lawang to do so. Come to think about it, I might have implied that. Well, anyway.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2371561]I don't know anything about Taman Lawang.[/QUOTE]That's a bit of a shock, the place is famous. There was even a movie made about TL. I've never seen a movie about Hotel Classic or Malioboro, but there is a movie about Taman Lawang.

The gent said he'd be in town 3 months. If he will be in town that long, some may consider it a must to swing by TL for a good laugh. Most of the locals know it well and will crack up laughing at the mere mention of the place.

I have driven through there many times after picking up a girl from BATS. The girls from BATS will act like they don't like driving through there, but in reality they love it. The girl with me will normally slouch down and semi hide her face as the driver laughs while we drive through and enjoy the sights. Good fun! It's not as busy as it was in years gone by, but you can still spot some pretty large silicone implants on occasion. I normally tease my BATS girl in the car about how the sexy things we are driving past are even sexier than her, and the girl will basically always agree.

One warning, if you don't see any that catch your fancy, make sure you keep the doors of the car locked and windows up because they are a bit aggressive and may try to jump in with you if you drive by slowly enough.

Hope this helps to enhance your Jakarta experience.

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2371524]When Maribaya closed, some said it was because of bankruptcy, others said it was for renovations. Silfi, formerly of Maribaya, didn't know but was interested.

Last June I took a look at the 6th floor (you can just walk in and take the elevator) and there was much sound of construction work going on in the former bar area. Could there actually be a renovation going on with the aim of bringing back a rejuvenated Maribaya? Who knows.

Regards.

Ko.[/QUOTE]Hello everyone,

I've visited Hotel Melawai after the renovations Ko talked about.

My field report: Maribaya is dead. As dead as a doornail. It's shuffled off this mortal coil and gone to join the Choir Invisible.

The space has been converted into meeting rooms and an in-house massage area aimed at the visiting civil servants who comprise most of the hotel's clientele.

Blok M is getting developed and respectable. Nihilo sanctum estne?

Bonus find from my field trip: Go closer to the intersection where the MRT runs and you'll find a no-questions-asked short-time hotel!

Plunk down Rp 180,000 and get six hours in a clean, microscopic and windowless room filled by a bed and a transparent shower cube, with a flat screen TV mounted on the wall. You'll need a wide-angle lens to take any pictures that's how close the walls are.

The short-time place is next to a low-end bar / pub, and is likely under the same managemental though I don't think there is a dank corridor connecting the two, like there is Bintang Mawar and Hotel Safari.

[QUOTE=OmBule;2371581]Hello everyone,

I've visited Hotel Melawai after the renovations Ko talked about.

My field report: Maribaya is dead. As dead as a doornail. It's shuffled off this mortal coil and gone to join the Choir Invisible.

The space has been converted into meeting rooms and an in-house massage area aimed at the visiting civil servants who comprise most of the hotel's clientele.

Blok M is getting developed and respectable. Nihilo sanctum estne?

Bonus find from my field trip: Go closer to the intersection where the MRT runs and you'll find a no-questions-asked short-time hotel!

Plunk down Rp 180,000 and get six hours in a clean, microscopic and windowless room filled by a bed and a transparent shower cube, with a flat screen TV mounted on the wall. You'll need a wide-angle lens to take any pictures that's how close the walls are.

The short-time place is next to a low-end bar / pub, and is likely under the same managemental though I don't think there is a dank corridor connecting the two, like there is Bintang Mawar and Hotel Safari.[/QUOTE]A short walk right around the corner from Hotel Melawai is Blok M Square. There is a massage place called Metropolis that you can go to there.

This Taman Lawang is really getting overboard! One should experience this once in a life time at least once! As stated below, unless you are into these very modified gods creation! Please keep doors very locked and windows very up, you have been warned, LMAO.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2371565]That's a bit of a shock, the place is famous. There was even a movie made about TL. I've never seen a movie about Hotel Classic or Malioboro, but there is a movie about Taman Lawang.

The gent said he'd be in town 3 months. If he will be in town that long, some may consider it a must to swing by TL for a good laugh. Most of the locals know it well and will crack up laughing at the mere mention of the place.

I have driven through there many times after picking up a girl from BATS. The girls from BATS will act like they don't like driving through there, but in reality they love it. The girl with me will normally slouch down and semi hide her face as the driver laughs while we drive through and enjoy the sights. Good fun! It's not as busy as it was in years gone by, but you can still spot some pretty large silicone implants on occasion. I normally tease my BATS girl in the car about how the sexy things we are driving past are even sexier than her, and the girl will basically always agree.[/QUOTE]

Here are some girls from Metropolis from the Metropolis Instagram account.

An even better place (much better) is the'Heaven Spa in Grand Wijaya Center which is less than a 5 minute cab ride from Hotel Melawai. As much as I liked Maribaya, there are definitely other options in that area.

Hi there,

I used to go to Jakarta a lot back in 2014. While fancy places, brothels (like Hotel travel) and spas are all fun, I miss the adventures, seedy times back when Kalibojo was still open. The veterans may know what I am talking about. It gave me the kick to loaf around there (with almost no bules around) and just venture. Super local and cheap as fuck.

Does anyone know if such places (like Kalibojo) still exists and can trow in some names so I can research myself? Happy to RTFF but cannot get the right keywords / names to start.

Cheers,

Keengerle.

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2372007]Hi there,

I used to go to Jakarta a lot back in 2014. While fancy places, brothels (like Hotel travel) and spas are all fun, I miss the adventures, seedy times back when Kalibojo was still open. The veterans may know what I am talking about. It gave me the kick to loaf around there (with almost no bules around) and just venture. Super local and cheap as fuck.

Does anyone know if such places (like Kalibojo) still exists and can trow in some names so I can research myself? Happy to RTFF but cannot get the right keywords / names to start.

Cheers,

Keengerle.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear that you are happy to research and RTFF yourself, you don't need any names just start from page one and proceed from there but sure if you want me to throw you a name as opposed to trow then Tamen Lawang.

Was in Jakarta for a couple of days recently and visited Malibo and both times ended up for a BJ service upstairs. They are now wearing see through tops and bikini type panties. One hopes that this is the first steps before the nude dancing begins somewhere down the line.

Beware that they are now adding a 30% tax on the final bill which surprised me the first time as I didn't experience it last year.

BATS everyone is asking 2 million and have to be a night of slim pickings for them to agree to 1. 5 million.

Blok M MyBar was not very crowded on both days I went. Have to be patient and wait for a while to pick a good one. 700,000 is the price here.

BUMP.

I visited M. O. Bar back in 2014 several times on lady's night. The girl's drinks are free so that is at least partial motivation for the girls to come. It was never overly crowded, tho I did go earlier in the evening, but I did meet a few nice ladies that made the stop worthwhile.

According to Facebook. MO bar still has lady's night on Tuesday and Thursday from 8 pm to 1 am.

Does anyone out there have an update or a recent visit?

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2372007]Hi there,

I used to go to Jakarta a lot back in 2014. While fancy places, brothels (like Hotel travel) and spas are all fun, I miss the adventures, seedy times back when Kalibojo was still open. The veterans may know what I am talking about. It gave me the kick to loaf around there (with almost no bules around) and just venture. Super local and cheap as fuck.

Does anyone know if such places (like Kalibojo) still exists and can trow in some names so I can research myself? Happy to RTFF but cannot get the right keywords / names to start.

Cheers,

Keengerle.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2357175&viewfull=1#post2357175[/URL]

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2372231]BUMP.

I visited M. O. Bar back in 2014 several times on lady's night. The girl's drinks are free so that is at least partial motivation for the girls to come. It was never overly crowded, tho I did go earlier in the evening, but I did meet a few nice ladies that made the stop worthwhile.

According to Facebook. MO bar still has lady's night on Tuesday and Thursday from 8 pm to 1 am.

Does anyone out there have an update or a recent visit?[/QUOTE]MO Bar is dead quiet when I last visited. Don't even bother going there.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2372276]MO Bar is dead quiet when I last visited. Don't even bother going there.[/QUOTE]True, but it's not far from Taman Lawang.

[QUOTE=PartyNator;2372203]Beware that they are now adding a 30% tax on the final bill which surprised me the first time as I didn't experience it last year.[/QUOTE]As far as I know they always did that. Alexis did it as well. I think it's 21%, but it may well be 30%.

Apparently they are trying to pass a new criminal code that would ban unmarried couples and a bunch of other things. Could this really happen? Could prostitution be banned (and actually stamped out in the form we know it) in Indonesia? My personal impression is that I see more and more hijabs, hear more and more calls for prayer, more and more people taking Ramadan serious etc in Jakarta, and although Indonesia obviously has a strong underlying liberal / chaotic streak, I wonder whether there could be a tipping point when the Islamists become so powerful that they actually succeed in getting control and strangling the country's spirit. Any insights from people who know more about Indonesian society and politics than I do would be appreciated.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/19/outcry-at-indonesia-draft-criminal-code-that-could-see-unmarried-couples-jailed[/URL]

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2372677]Apparently they are trying to pass a new criminal code that would ban unmarried couples and a bunch of other things. Could this really happen? Could prostitution be banned (and actually stamped out in the form we know it) in Indonesia? My personal impression is that I see more and more hijabs, hear more and more calls for prayer, more and more people taking Ramadan serious etc in Jakarta, and although Indonesia obviously has a strong underlying liberal / chaotic streak, I wonder whether there could be a tipping point when the Islamists become so powerful that they actually succeed in getting control and strangling the country's spirit. Any insights from people who know more about Indonesian society and politics than I do would be appreciated.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/19/outcry-at-indonesia-draft-criminal-code-that-could-see-unmarried-couples-jailed[/URL][/QUOTE]Was watching Youtube last night and saw a video about that. There is a Muslim elected? Female that is trying to implement the sharia law when it comes to sex. She has some opposition. Not sure if it happens this year or next but the clouds are gathering for sure.

Hope I make it there before it happens.

Wish I could remember the video tittle.

I hardly doubt that, despite Female Muslim elected pushing for it! I don't think all those Perverted Elected Man won't just hold their dick and watch this lady passing it in to a law. I don't think it's going anywhere, specially this organized and thriving industry.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2372677]Apparently they are trying to pass a new criminal code that would ban unmarried couples and a bunch of other things. Could this really happen? Could prostitution be banned (and actually stamped out in the form we know it) in Indonesia? My personal impression is that I see more and more hijabs, hear more and more calls for prayer, more and more people taking Ramadan serious etc in Jakarta, and although Indonesia obviously has a strong underlying liberal / chaotic streak, I wonder whether there could be a tipping point when the Islamists become so powerful that they actually succeed in getting control and strangling the country's spirit. Any insights from people who know more about Indonesian society and politics than I do would be appreciated.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/19/outcry-at-indonesia-draft-criminal-code-that-could-see-unmarried-couples-jailed[/URL][/QUOTE][QUOTE=EatALotOpus;2372694]Was watching Youtube last night and saw a video about that. There is a Muslim elected? Female that is trying to implement the sharia law when it comes to sex. She has some opposition. Not sure if it happens this year or next but the clouds are gathering for sure.

Hope I make it there before it happens.

Wish I could remember the video tittle.[/QUOTE]

I am back for a visit in November.

As customers, spending our hard-earned money, we want what we want.

I am never a fan of the CBJ and on this trip I hope to avoid it at all costs. However, I am not good at coming out and discussing it in a bar (CJ'S / BATS) tho I have had good luck with BBBJ from the freelancers in the past.

But, I am going to try brothels like Classic, 1001 this time around and I've read enough reports to know BBBJ will be hit or miss. I don't speak Bahasa, so I was wondering how to get my point across to girls or mamasan as to what I want.

There is Google Translate and I downloaded that app to my phone with the Indonesian vocabulary. But that seems to be ponderous.

I have good video editing software. So I got some clips from Pornhub and created a 30 second video with French Kissing, BJ sans condom and sex all with Bahasa text across the screen. I would show the video from my phone and I don't think 30 seconds will bore anyone.

Any reason this won't work getting my point across?

Obviously it looks better as a video, but Screenshots attached.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2372737] I am going to try brothels like Classic, 1001 this time around and I've read enough reports to know BBBJ will be hit or miss. [/QUOTE]My experience over multiple trips is that BBBJ's are a 60/40 probability in 1001 while BBBJ's are a 100% probability in Malioboro / Malio. In fact I can't recall ever NOT receiving a BBBJ in Malioboro / Malio along with some pretty wild sex, but I CAN recall being with 1001 & Alexis girls and being offered CBJ's, not a majority of the time, but too many times for me to tolerate. My modus operandi is simple: I never discuss the issue with the girl or the mamason beforehand. I just expect a BBBJ and get it most if not all the time. As a result, I never tip or repeat with a CBJ girl and I have cut down on my patronage of places where that sort of thing is allowed by the management - places like 1001.

So if you like BBBJ's ie they are high up on your list of services, I advise you to skip 1001 even though they have a hell of a lot of otherwise very attractive, YOUNG, Indo girls. Then again, if you are average to above average in looks and know how to make a girl smile, you have a roughly 60% shot in 1001 of receiving a BBBJ and a 90% shot for having decent sex, so take your chances and go for it if you want to. I would add that the odds of getting a BBBJ with a CJ's or Bat's FL is almost 100% like with Malioboro/ Malio girls. So it is not like Classic or 1001 are your only choices. There are many other great places to go in CGK to get what you want without a hassle.

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2372007]Hi there,

I used to go to Jakarta a lot back in 2014. While fancy places, brothels (like Hotel travel) and spas are all fun, I miss the adventures, seedy times back when Kalibojo was still open. The veterans may know what I am talking about. It gave me the kick to loaf around there (with almost no bules around) and just venture. Super local and cheap as fuck.

Does anyone know if such places (like Kalibojo) still exists and can trow in some names so I can research myself? Happy to RTFF but cannot get the right keywords / names to start.

Cheers,

Keengerle.[/QUOTE]PLTU Priok.

Rawa Malang.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2372737]Any reason this won't work getting my point across?

Obviously it looks better as a video, but Screenshots attached.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]I admire your preparation but fear you may have over thought any problems. Google translate is fraught with errors and often gives litteral, word for word translations that lose the meaning or context you are trying to get across. This may cause more problems than it solves. Eg your translation of Blow Job reads more as Breath Occupation so may not be of much assistance.

While the girls and mamasans may speak very little or no conversational English, they will know a few words pertaining to their job. 'No condom', 'Blow Job' and the like are understood in both languages so you will be able to get your point made.

I would follow Smoothy's recommendations on where BBBJ is a near certainty or, if other reasons see you at the other locations, just make use of simple English instructions and hand signals rather than pre prepared translations and videos.

Good luck and enjoy your visit, G.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2372717]I hardly doubt that, despite Female Muslim elected pushing for it! I don't think all those Perverted Elected Man won't just hold their dick and watch this lady passing it in to a law. I don't think it's going anywhere, specially this organized and thriving industry.[/QUOTE]Dude,

Please remember that all those perverted elected men do not go to Classic or Travel or Malio or Kota Indah or Kelapa Gading to get laid. Laws are for the general public, not for the men who pass them.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2372774]I admire your preparation but fear you may have over thought any problems. Google translate is fraught with errors and often gives litteral, word for word translations that lose the meaning or context you are trying to get across. Eg your translation of Blow Job reads more as "Breath Occupation" so may not be of much assistance.

Good luck and enjoy your visit, G.[/QUOTE]THANKS for the advice.

Some of this preparation helps kill the time while I wait for November 5th to arrive. .

Is there a Bahasa equivalent for "blowjob"? And what is it.

Cheers, Sea Traveler.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2372677]Apparently they are trying to pass a new criminal code that would ban unmarried couples and a bunch of other things. Could this really happen? Could prostitution be banned (and actually stamped out in the form we know it) in Indonesia? My personal impression is that I see more and more hijabs, hear more and more calls for prayer, more and more people taking Ramadan serious etc in Jakarta, and although Indonesia obviously has a strong underlying liberal / chaotic streak, I wonder whether there could be a tipping point when the Islamists become so powerful that they actually succeed in getting control and strangling the country's spirit. Any insights from people who know more about Indonesian society and politics than I do would be appreciated.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/19/outcry-at-indonesia-draft-criminal-code-that-could-see-unmarried-couples-jailed[/URL][/QUOTE]The latest is that the law is on hold.

"Indonesian President Joko Widodo has suspended a raft of draconian amendments to the country's criminal code that would ban sex outside marriage and limit other personal freedoms.
Key points:

The Government had been planning on bringing forward a vote on the new criminal code next week
But late on Friday, the Government said it would delay introducing the new laws
More than 6 million tourists visited Indonesia last year

The Indonesian Government had been planning to bring forward a vote on a new national criminal code as early as next week. Among other things, it would make it illegal to criticise the president, have sex outside of marriage, sell contraceptives and take away a women's rights to choose an abortion.

But late on Friday, Mr Widodo delayed the bill's passage until the new parliament is inaugurated next month, meaning debate and a vote will begin again."

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2372927]

Is there a Bahasa equivalent for "blowjob"? And what is it.

Cheers, Sea Traveler.[/QUOTE]Yes. Its 'Blow Job'. I'm not joking: for some reason 'Head Job' is seldom used nor understood.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2372007]Hi there,

I used to go to Jakarta a lot back in 2014. While fancy places, brothels (like Hotel travel) and spas are all fun, I miss the adventures, seedy times back when Kalibojo was still open. The veterans may know what I am talking about. It gave me the kick to loaf around there (with almost no bules around) and just venture. Super local and cheap as fuck.
Keengerle.[/QUOTE]Not sure about Jakarta but I went to a place like what you describe in Yogyjakarta last year, seedy as fuck but pretty exciting. Basically a bunch of tiny lanes with a zillion little karaoke bars, chicks sitting out on the stoop, and some dudes guarding the entry who tried to act tough but were super sweet when I said I just wanted to have a look. I didn't partake but it was a cool hang.

Google maps coordinates -7.790743, 110.362741.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2372954]Yes. Its 'Blow Job'. I'm not joking: for some reason 'Head Job' is seldom used nor understood.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I have heard Karaoke used as well, due to the position of the microphone when singing.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2372927]Is there a Bahasa equivalent for "blowjob"? And what is it.[/QUOTE]Most understand blow job, but if they don't.

To say it very literally, "hisap kontol saya, tidak pakai kondom".

Or "sepong tidak pakai kondom".

What you are saying it's true but isn't also true that all these entertainment complex are owned by well connected and somewhat law makers? Despite lawmakers being above the law, wouldn't this hurt their wallet and bring them down under the law eventually!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2372915]Dude,

Please remember that all those perverted elected men do not go to Classic or Travel or Malio or Kota Indah or Kelapa Gading to get laid. Laws are for the general public, not for the men who pass them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bkkvistor77;2372984]Not sure about Jakarta but I went to a place like what you describe in Yogyjakarta last year, seedy as fuck but pretty exciting. Basically a bunch of tiny lanes with a zillion little karaoke bars, chicks sitting out on the stoop, and some dudes guarding the entry who tried to act tough but were super sweet when I said I just wanted to have a look. I didn't partake but it was a cool hang.

Google maps coordinates -7.790743, 110.362741.[/QUOTE]Yes. Sarkem. Pasar Kembang in Jogja. Saritem in Bandung may still be active too. There are only a few pockets left in Jakarta, it will be nice if these can hold up, Since 10 years, it's been an active government policy to shutdown and terminate all lokalisasi's, across the country. And with the new bill coming up.. who knows. It must be said though, places like Kalijodo (kalibojo is a much better name, I agree.) are always mentioned here in a shroud of nostalgia, but the reality is that they largely cater for local men only. That's why they're dirt cheap. Us foreigners would hardly go there. Well, once or twice, maybe...

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2372737]
I am never a fan of the CBJ and on this trip I hope to avoid it at all costs.

Obviously it looks better as a video, but Screenshots attached.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]CBJ's. In Jakarta? Nooo..

Can't you just go to Blok M? Or what's left of it. Many girls speak some basic English in the blok, they would definitely understand 'blow job' and 'no condom'.

BTW. What happened to the VIP bar in the D's? Does it still exists? Blow job galore.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2373037]I have heard Karaoke used as well, due to the position of the microphone when singing.[/QUOTE]And 'rokok': smoking. There are a million others but BJ keeps it simple and works for those new to town.

I never did find out why the term 'Head Job' never worked (for me at least) 🤨.

Enjoy. G.

I am visiting in November for 10 days. I am staying at Shangri-La and Mulia in case location impacts the times I should go.

I spent time reading the last 200 pages of the forum, so I did my due diligence.

I am asking for the best times to go to spas and brothels. I understand the freelance scene pretty well because I have lived it. No brothel experience other than Maribaya in 2014.

I want to stay unjet-lagged when I get home, so my general plan is to sleep from 8 am to 3-4 pm local time.

My plans include a mix of 3 Indo-Cupid dinner dates (+ who knows) and plenty of time at BATS & CJ'S.

I plan to visit Malioboro; Kings Cross; Kartika and Classic to try out the brothel scene as recommended by Smoothy, Goferring, Natty Bumpo and others.

What is / are the best times to visit these places or times to avoid, please. Be specific, if necessary, as each may have it own best time.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.

PS. My apologies if this info is in here somewhere. I am suffering from information overload!!!

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2373103]I want to stay unjet-lagged when I get home, so my general plan is to sleep from 8 am to 3-4 pm local time.

What is / are the best times to visit these places or times to avoid, please. Be specific, if necessary, as each may have it own best time.

PS. My apologies if this info is in here somewhere. I am suffering from information overload!!![/QUOTE]The information is certainly there on the forum in this thread, but it can easily get buried under the meaningless discussions.

You have the right plan in terms of catching up on sleep. Most of the brothels become operational by 3 pm, but don't really get going until 5 pm or later. Places like Classic, Travel and all the Kota Indah bars are to be avoided after 9 pm, unless you are OK with a cloud of cigarette smoke over your head, Plus these places get extremely crowded with local bakso sellers and ojek drivers all lining up to get a piece of cheap pussy. The girls are also overused by then.

On the other hand places in Kelapa Gading like King Cross or Sumo and Malio and other places like 1001, Emporivm, etc are best after 8 pm. Sumo is a full blown spa (so are the other places, except King Cross) so you can get there by 6 pm, relax in the pool, get a steam / sauna and then go upstairs, get a drink and check out the sexy shows, eyeball the talent and select a girl of your liking. In all these places the mami or papi will understand basic English and you can tell them exactly what you want. They have heard and seen it all before. These places are not as crowded mainly because of the price, and the fact that they charge you an entry fee, that keeps the riff raff out.

Hope you have a good time, get some reports in too.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2373075]Us foreigners would hardly go there. Well, once or twice, maybe...[/QUOTE]I'd go back! Probably, actually hmmmm. I'm not easily scared off and have had sex in some really really seedy and dodgy places, but this place was probably the most extreme I've seen, hence I didn't partake even though there were some good looking women.

I'm a decades long exResident but have arrived back in Jakarta after a long absence and have been struck by some of the changes: peak hour and mid day traffic is no where near as bad as I remember it; air pollution has deteriorated to the point the city wasn't even visible from the airplane during landing; the mongerring scene has changed drastically with the arrival of online and web apps and the closure of many of the old bricks and mortar favourites; but the girls are still plentiful and beautiful. In many ways the tune has changed but the song remains the same. 😁.

I'm a pretty prolific user of online apps etc elsewhere so I set up a couple of local profiles and waited for a response. And I waited. And I waited. Response times were much slower than what I'm familiar with elsewhere but I do have to say that the quality of the girls is much higher than other countries' hook up apps. Many, many model quality girls were online and responding. If you like the Asian priorites of tall, China white skin, long black hair then Jakarta is the place for you. Meetups were restricted by mongers' worst nightmares: jobs and morals. Many of the better girls clearly led civilian lives and were not going to jump into bed with 5 minutes notice. I was also limited by the requirement of many of the girls to have verified pictures. For various reasons, I'm not prepared to have my true photos displayed publically on hook up apps so that did limit access to a lot of girls.

The first girl I met online was tall, slim and the typical long black hair. In all honesty she was probably 5 or 10 lbs heavier than her photos but that came as no surprise. Unwilling to come straight to the room, we met at the lobby, had a cheap dinner and then she was happy to come upstairs. A very nice body with solid CC cups but very inexperienced. Relaxed but beginners BBBJ and BBFS COTs was rewarded with 1 jt taxi money.

That night saw a trip to Blok M and My Bar. What a depressing sight. The place of so many wild nights and fond memories is now a deserted lane with barely a couple of cars parked out front. Gone are the hustle and bustle of street urchins, hundreds of girls outside eating at the cholera carts and numerous bars beconing you in for a night of fun and debauchery.

At 3 am, My bar had the pretty dancers up on stage doing a good job of shaking their asses. The crowd was light but polarised: a combination of 30+ yo's with a sprinkling of Pretty Young Things. I'd agree with previous posters: over the night I probably saw 5 lookers that were eminently doable amongst the many that were well past their prime. I did laugh when I first entered and the hardened sharks pounced on the new face in town only to be met by a Bahasa speaking old hand who wasn't about to buy rounds of drinks and fall in love with the first brown body to slide next to him. Missing out on an easy mark, they looked so disappointed when I told them that I had been in country longer than them!! Mindful of keeping up appearances I left alone at about 4:30.

I'm staying at the FX Sudirman apartments. For a traveler its great: near many eating and shopping options; lots of transport options; in apartment washer. For mongering it's not so great: a major walk of shame via the mall or busy reception; a maze to get in and out of after FX closes and access gates are locked; close to Blok M and CJs but miles from Kota et al.

If anyone is in town and would like to swap lies over a midday coffee or night time beer just PM me.

To be continued, G.

Well, it looks very serious now specially with the on going protest! Apparently, there has been 5 k riot police deployed due to the protests? I really hope this bill doesn't turnout in to a law!

Boots one the ground, how bad is it right now?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2372915]Dude,

Please remember that all those perverted elected men do not go to Classic or Travel or Malio or Kota Indah or Kelapa Gading to get laid. Laws are for the general public, not for the men who pass them.[/QUOTE]

I am typically in Jakarta every couple of months, though tbh I'm quite glad my October trip has been canceled (for entirely unrelated reasons).

Looking forward to January though, planning to spend a few days in Bali with a sweet thing. Fingers crossed I'll not have to marry her first.

Hello, we still have time apparently.

"Even if the new laws are passed next week the changes would take two years to come into effect. ".

[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-20/indonesia-set-to-outlaw-sex-before-marriage-affecting-tourists/11532328[/URL]

Does anyone know if there is an entry price to get into Illigals and if so, what is it? Also if anyone has experiences at both Malio and Illigals, which is the best choice if someone only had one night to play?

Thanks heaps.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2375998]Does anyone know if there is an entry price to get into Illigals and if so, what is it? Also if anyone has experiences at both Malio and Illigals, which is the best choice if someone only had one night to play?

Thanks heaps.[/QUOTE]Yes illegal has entry fee. I remember doing the math and considering Malio better value for money and much larger selection.

If you are keen on Illegal then a cheaper option is to stay there which gives one free entry and discount on girls to your room however all services end but midnight or 1 am.

I think I might have written a review sometime this year about illegal.

If I had choice I would take Malio due to variety both in price and girls. Most expensive girls are in first building with stage on right side, but opposite is M bar with girls much cheaper and good selection, then the club in other building is good with different prices, I think start at 1,300,000.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2376015]Yes illegal has entry fee. I remember doing the math and considering Malio better value for money and much larger selection.

{Snip}

If I had choice I would take Malio due to variety both in price and girls. Most expensive girls are in first building with stage on right side, but opposite is M bar with girls much cheaper and good selection, then the club in other building is good with different prices, I think start at 1,300,000.[/QUOTE]Thanks Vrsabien for the intel.

First of all. Thanks everyone for their pointers.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2372147]Glad to hear that you are happy to research and RTFF yourself, you don't need any names just start from page one and proceed from there but sure if you want me to throw you a name as opposed to trow then Tamen Lawang.[/QUOTE]While I RTFF and heard of some of the places, I couldn't connect the dots initially. So thanks for throwing (not trowing as MutantChicken rightly noticed) in the names.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2372767]PLTU Priok / Rawa Malang[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info OS. I had to postpone this due to exciting reasons later in my report.

My schedule was as following:

1st night: late arrival, stay somewhere cheap in Koto. Fun in North Jakarta.

2nd day: move to the South, stay in a nice 5 star and go with the flow.

3rd day: stay in Central but explore the train tracks in the North.

Things turned out to be different.

Smoothie thankfully pointed to MasBuke's post and it appeared to be something similar to what Kalijodo used to be).

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2372244][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2357175&viewfull=1#post2357175[/URL][/QUOTE]While I was super excited to explore the train tracks, I decided to stick with my initial plan (see above). Arrived on a weekday 10 pm-ish and went straight to Kota, Mangga Besar and stayed in a cheap hotel. In the past, I used to go to one of the sidestreets close to Hotel Travel where pimps have 2.3 vans with hot young chicks. Once you approach, they turn on the light in the van, you pick one, they bring you to one of the cheap hotels around, you have fun. All good. I have done this a few times and had quite some nice, young girls there (price around 300 k + 100 k room). This time, however, the selection wasn't as great as it used to be in the past. Against better judgement, I decided for one with a cute face. Pimp wasn't willing to go with the usual 300 k and I (stupidly) paid 400 k. To balance off the higher price, I brought her to my place which was only a 3 min walk anyway. To cut a long story short, the girl was weird. No touching boobs, no kissing boobs, no kissing pussy. Basically nothing. Went in, pumped a few times and realized that this is a waste of time (and sperm) and send her home.

Being super excited (and curious) about the train tracks, I took a grab bike and headed over.

While I am really bad with directions, I have no idea how others cannot find this place. It is suuuuper easy. I started with the small shop on the right side of the entrance area (basically before the bridge) but wasn't really impressed by the girls. While there were plenty, majority were just fat. I prefer the skinny ones (rather small boobs than having big boobs but belly, big ass, whatever). So none of the girls I saw were acceptable. However, when I went through one of the holes to the train track, it was on. OMG. This was exactly what I was looking for. For long time. Super seedy, local, different kind of girls (definitely some for my liking). Cheap (150 k - 200 k) and straight to the point (no bla bla BS). Perfect. Had two slim nice girls (first one was early 20,150 k, no BJ and straight to CFJ). No issues with anything such as kissing boobs, touching. Second girl was in the same a

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2376552]Being super excited (and curious) about the train tracks, I took a grab bike and headed over.

While I am really bad with directions, I have no idea how others cannot find this place. It is suuuuper easy. I started with the small shop on the right side of the entrance area (basically before the bridge) but wasn't really impressed by the girls. While there were plenty, majority were just fat. I prefer the skinny ones (rather small boobs than having big boobs but belly, big ass, whatever). So none of the girls I saw were acceptable. However, when I went through one of the holes to the train track, it was on. OMG. This was exactly what I was looking for. For long time. Super seedy, local, different kind of girls (definitely some for my liking). Cheap (150 k - 200 k) and straight to the point (no bla bla BS). Perfect. Had two slim nice girls (first one was early 20,150 k, no BJ and straight to CFJ). No issues with anything such as kissing boobs, touching. Second girl was in the same a[/QUOTE]Glad to hear you gave that a try. Fun place, isn't it? And the cheapest action in Jakarta.

Looks that my report 14684 is half cut-off.

Could an OP kind help me to delete it? I will re-post (probably in sections to avoid the same problem again).

Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2376552]Being super excited (and curious) about the train tracks, I took a grab bike and headed over.

While I am really bad with directions, I have no idea how others cannot find this place. It is suuuuper easy. I started with the small shop on the right side of the entrance area (basically before the bridge) but wasn't really impressed by the girls. While there were plenty, majority were just fat. I prefer the skinny ones (rather small boobs than having big boobs but belly, big ass, whatever). So none of the girls I saw were acceptable. However, when I went through one of the holes to the train track, it was on. OMG. This was exactly what I was looking for. For long time. Super seedy, local, different kind of girls (definitely some for my liking). Cheap (150 k - 200 k) and straight to the point (no bla bla BS). Perfect. Had two slim nice girls (first one was early 20,150 k, no BJ and straight to CFJ). No issues with anything such as kissing boobs, touching. Second girl was in the same a[/QUOTE]Super info, very curious too, I follow your steps next month!!

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2376885]Looks that my report 14684 is half cut-off.
Could an OP kind help me to delete it? I will re-post (probably in sections to avoid the same problem again).
Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]OK. Looks that my old (broken) report is still there, so I'll split my report into three parts.

First of all. Thanks everyone for their pointers.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2372147]Glad to hear that you are happy to research and RTFF yourself, you don't need any names just start from page one and proceed from there but sure if you want me to throw you a name as opposed to trow then Tamen Lawang.[/QUOTE]While I RTFF and heard of some of the places, I couldn't connect the dots initially. So thanks for throwing (not trowing as MutantChicken rightly noticed) in the names.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2372767]PLTU Priok / Rawa Malang[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info OS. I had to postpone this due to exciting reasons later in my report.

My schedule was as following:

1st night: late arrival, stay somewhere cheap in Koto. Fun in North Jakarta.

2nd day: move to the South, stay in a nice 5 star and go with the flow.

3rd day: stay in Central but explore the train tracks in the North.

Things turned out to be different.

Smoothie thankfully pointed to MasBuke's post and it appeared to be something similar to what Kalijodo used to be).

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2372244][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2357175&viewfull=1#post2357175[/URL][/QUOTE]While I was super excited to explore the train tracks, I decided to stick with my initial plan (see above). Arrived on a weekday 10 pm-ish and went straight to Kota, Mangga Besar and stayed in a cheap hotel. In the past, I used to go to one of the sidestreets close to Hotel Travel where pimps have 2. 3 vans with hot young chicks. Once you approach, they turn on the light in the van, you pick one, they bring you to one of the cheap hotels around, you have fun. All good. I have done this a few times and had quite some nice, young girls there (price around 300 k + 100 k room). This time, however, the selection wasn't as great as it used to be in the past. Against better judgement, I decided for one with a cute face. Pimp wasn't willing to go with the usual 300 k and I (stupidly) paid 400 k. To balance off the higher price, I brought her to my place which was only a 3 min walk anyway. To cut a long story short, the girl was weird. No touching boobs, no kissing boobs, no kissing pussy. Basically nothing. Went in, pumped a few times and realized that this is a waste of time (and sperm) and send her home.

Being super excited (and curious) about the train tracks, I took a grab bike and headed over.

While I am really bad with directions, I have no idea how others CANNOT find this place. It is suuuuper easy. I started with the small shop on the right side of the entrance area (basically before the bridge) but wasn't really impressed by the girls. While there were plenty, majority were just fat. I prefer the skinny ones (rather small boobs than having big boobs but belly, big ass, whatever). So none of the girls I saw were acceptable. However, when I went through one of the holes to the train track, it was on. OMG. This was exactly what I was looking for. For long time. Super seedy, local, different kind of girls (definitely some for my liking). Cheap (150 k - 200 k) and straight to the point (no bla bla BS). Perfect. Had two slim nice girls (first one was early 20,150 k, no BJ and straight to CFJ). No issues with anything such as kissing boobs, touching. Second girl was in the same age group, nice BBBJ and good CFJ for 200 k). Left happily back to my cheap place in Kota.

Next morning, went to my nice hotel in the South, early check in, breakfast and worked from there (it was a weekday). Although I was horny in the evening, laziness kicked in. I also don't fancy Blok M too much (and latest reports don't sound promising neither), so I stayed home and chilled. Next morning / early noon, I took a Grab bike back to the train tracks.

While I was also keen to explore this

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2372767]PLTU Priok / Rawa Malang[/QUOTE]The first night was still too good. The situation at noon (and as I later learned during the day) is very different. There is almost nothing happening. After waiting a bit, I nailed a girl that was somewhat decent (slim, 19 years old, 200 k) but nothing close to what I experienced on my first night.

I went back to my hotel in the South, chilled a bit (I had agreed on late checkout) and moved to my other hotel in Central Jakarta. Went again to the train tracks around 9 pm and it was super crowded. Another two girls (first one 24 years old, no BJ but good CFJ and second one 19 years old. What was a bit surprising is that she didn't seem to have any intention of using a condom and was about to guide in without. Wtf. Stopped her, put on my own condom (I always bring my own) and had some good fun). What a great night. I love the atmosphere there. Super seedy. From time to time, everyone jumps off the tracks when a train is approaching and once the train passed by, everything goes back to business.

Third day, passed by the train tracks while on the way to the airport (around 6 pm. I had lots of buffer before my flight) and again. Quite empty. While walking next to the tracks, I could hear the horn of a train approaching and say a young guy (or a teenager) running on the tracks (he was coming from the east side and was on the bridge that leads over the road). The train was super close and he was still running ON the tracks. I wasn't sure if I should continue watching or just look away. It was almost certain that he will get killed. Only in the very last second (after he reached the end of the bridge), he jumped off. Fuck! No idea what is going on in some peoples' mind. Not only that this guy would have impacted his own family, I wonder how I would have reacted. This is nothing easy to overcome (and you cannot even tell your regular friends of what you have seen, as well. "where did this happen" - exactly). Thank god.

Overall. It was an amazing trip, I loved the train tracks and I will be heading to Jakarta in a few days again. To return to the train tracks but also to explore:

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2372767]PLTU Priok / Rawa Malang[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2376757]Glad to hear you gave that a try. Fun place, isn't it? And the cheapest action in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Yes. Man. So happy (otherwise I wouldn't head back to Jakarta coming weekend). Honestly, it is not necessarily about the price but the entire atmosphere. I get that it is not for everyone.

But that's ok. For me, I really enjoy it. Super unique experience. I now have the dilemma of choices. Either continue all the time to the train tracks again or visit the other places (PLTU Priok / Rawa Malang) that were mentioned. That's a tricky one.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2374961]

I'm a pretty prolific user of online apps etc elsewhere so I set up a couple of local profiles and waited for a response. And I waited. And I waited. Response times were much slower than what I'm familiar with elsewhere but I do have to say that the quality of the girls is much higher than other countries' hook up apps. Many, many model quality girls were online and responding. If you like the Asian priorites of tall, China white skin, long black hair then Jakarta is the place for you. Meetups were restricted by mongers' worst nightmares: jobs and morals. Many of the better girls clearly led civilian lives and were not going to jump into bed with 5 minutes notice. I was also limited by the requirement of many of the girls to have verified pictures. For various reasons, I'm not prepared to have my true photos displayed publically on hook up apps so that did limit access to a lot of girls.

To be continued, G.[/QUOTE]Which app did you find most effective? Seeking arrangement? I haven't been back to Jakarta since 2010 but want to go back. Much appreciated, thank you.

[QUOTE=WetNose;2377335]Which app did you find most effective? Seeking arrangement? I haven't been back to Jakarta since 2010 but want to go back. Much appreciated, thank you.[/QUOTE]I didn't use many. Just Badoo and Tinder. Tinder had the better looking girls but Badoo had better responses.

I couldn't complete the WeChat install because of its new referal requirements and several apps (Inc Badoo) needed photos to be verified, something you may or may not be prepared to do. I didn't use the match making apps like IndoCupid etc.

In all honesty, with all the face to face options, I would recommend those over the apps as you can see before you buy and there can be a much more satisfying social element to them.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2377383]I didn't use many. Just Badoo and Tinder. Tinder had the better looking girls but Badoo had better responses.

In all honesty, with all the face to face options, I would recommend those over the apps as you can see before you buy and there can be a much more satisfying social element to them.

[/QUOTE]Bingo! This is how I feel too, but the social apps are here to stay. They are just one more venue from which to source girls. Can't rule it out completely.

[QUOTE=Enjoylife1980;2375814]Hello, we still have time apparently.

"Even if the new laws are passed next week the changes would take two years to come into effect. ".

[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-20/indonesia-set-to-outlaw-sex-before-marriage-affecting-tourists/11532328[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://xhamster.desi/videos/my-wife-first-time-with-bbc-8524728[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2377393]Bingo! This is how I feel too, but the social apps are here to stay. They are just one more venue from which to source girls. Can't rule it out completely.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on what mongers are looking for. A pump and dump can be quickly found either online or in the flesh. If, like me, you prefer a few beers, chatting to guys and gals then heading home with Ms CloseEnough, then in the flesh is generally better.

My previous post comes across as unkind to MyBar but it was actually a good night: not a sea of beauties but certainly entertaining and, if you wait for the right moment, the occasional cutie that was very doable.

Enjoy. G.

Dear Keen.

I was fascinated by the report of Alex from 2001. And about 15 years ago I tried to find it in Jakarta went to Kota Station, but was unsuccessful to find anything, actually I was standing at the station but I was hesitating asking anybody on the street for these girls.

Now I see your report, but again no success on googlemaps, it already starts with the fact that when seeing Kota station on the map, "direction WEST" is not available on google maps. I was looking for "jl Bebek Selatan" but it seems not to be close to Kota station at all. You have any other help for me to find the place? I am not in Jakarta now but in Yogyakarta. Thanks john.

- - - - - -.

WSG from March 8 2001, Another excellent place to find cheap street girls (and transsexuals) is the area in front of the main railway station in the east of the town (you'll pass and make a stop-over here if you take the train to Bandung) and the railway tracks leading eastward. A ten-minute walk eastward from the railway station brings you to an area with lots of parked train wagons. Here you find girls all day but especially at night there are tens of them. They are usually young (late teens, early twenties, but some oldies) and the cheapest in town. Some you can fuck for not more than the price of a bottle of coke. You can fuck them in or in between the empty train wagons.

It's quite a thrill.

Walk around a bit and you see people fucking all over the place. The girls will come to you and do just about anything you want. I once fucked a mute girl in her early twenties in her ass there. They are shameless and let you fuck them in full view of others. Another cheap thrill, but of course you can hide in the trains if you are a less perverted type.

There are many more of these types of places all around Jakarta, but this should give you enough pleasure to last for your trip there. Feel free to email me for tips. Alex.

(Review # 3262).

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2377281]Third day, passed by the train tracks while on the way to the airport (around 6 pm. I had lots of buffer before my flight) and again. Quite empty. While walking next to the tracks, I could hear the horn of a train approaching and say a young guy (or a teenager) running on the tracks (he was coming from the east side and was on the bridge that leads over the road). The train was super close and he was still running ON the tracks. I wasn't sure if I should continue watching or just look away. It was almost certain that he will get killed. Only in the very last second (after he reached the end of the bridge), he jumped off................[/QUOTE]Kudos to you, most people would have pulled out their phone and videotaped it.

[QUOTE=JohnAuro;2377432]
Now I see your report, but again no success on googlemaps, it already starts with the fact that when seeing Kota station on the map, "direction WEST" is not available on google maps. I was looking for "jl Bebek Selatan" but it seems not to be close to Kota station at all. You have any other help for me to find the place? I am not in Jakarta now but in Yogyakarta. Thanks john.
[/QUOTE]This may help:

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/Qfu7hcoz5gMoBwN9A[/URL]

That's were Royal is, ie. The location of the report from MasBule.
If the link doesn't work, type in "gedong panjang royal' in Google search.

If you are in Yogya, try Pasar Kembang.

[QUOTE=JohnAuro;2377432]Dear Keen.

I was fascinated by the report of Alex from 2001. And about 15 years ago I tried to find it in Jakarta went to Kota Station, but was unsuccessful to find anything, actually I was standing at the station but I was hesitating asking anybody on the street for these girls.

- - - - - -.

WSG from March 8 2001, Another excellent place to find cheap street girls (and transsexuals) is the area in front of the main railway station in the east of the town (you'll pass and make a stop-over here if you take the train to Bandung) and the railway tracks leading eastward. A ten-minute walk eastward from the railway station brings you to an area with lots of parked train wagons. Here you find girls all day but especially at night there are tens of them. They are usually young (late teens, early twenties, but some oldies) and the cheapest in town. Some you can fuck for not more than the price of a bottle of coke. You can fuck them in or in between the empty train wagons.

It's quite a thrill.

Walk around a bit and you see people fucking all over the place. The girls will come to you and do just about anything you want. I once fucked a mute girl in her early twenties in her ass there. They are shameless and let you fuck them in full view of others. Another cheap thrill, but of course you can hide in the trains if you are a less perverted type.

There are many more of these types of places all around Jakarta, but this should give you enough pleasure to last for your trip there. Feel free to email me for tips. Alex.

(Review # 3262).[/QUOTE]Back in those days, Manggerai, likely. It is not in the Kota, but in east - [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/dapftS7LDM2mqpSA8/.[/URL].

But as it is already 18 years old, not sure really. He mentions transsexuals, could have been pasar pisang. 'Banana market'. That's at Jatinegara Train Station, one train station down from Manggerai. From the station walk in easterly direction a long the tracks. 'Super seedy'. Daytime action there can also be found at Jl Bekasi, opposite the station.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/x3n1rcZVUzdJqZvG6[/URL]

Pesing in West Jakarta and Tanah Abang are other train track locations.