Blackbeards Resort

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1740459]Rental car is fine over a period for those who want to take that option, but who the hell wants to go to the hassle of renting a car just to make a one-time trip into town or to Sosua or wherever? Anywhere else (Sosua, Cabarete, Fields of Dreams, etc) you just get in a publico, 25 to 50 pesos.

The real problem at Blackbeards is not getting out. That can be achieved with a combination of walking, moto and publico. The problem is getting back after dark once the publicos stop running.

Anyone who has spent any time there knows the answer to that one. Their pimps / husbands / boyfriends bring them at the start of their shift and take them home afterwards. Or, as regular customers and Dominicans, they cut deals with the taxi-drivers which are not available to gringos, paying them in cash or in services rendered.[/QUOTE]Just limit your girly fun to BB. Sosua is a dump, and scams abound. Just read the Sosua pages. The best thing about places like BB is that that the girls are vetted, and fair behavior is incentivized by the fear of being kicked out. That ability to enforce good behavior is a rarity. That' what you are paying for at BB, really.

The problem is that BB is pretty far from everything else. If your only desire to getaway is for non-girly fun, that is easily arrangeable by things like publicos, as I assume you would return before dark. Lots of great stuff to do on the Northern Coast -- kite surfing in Cabarete, Damajuga Falls, etc. I assume that reputable tour services would pick you up. The problem is if you want to go out to Sosua and return at night. Then you are at the mercy of the taxi mafia. But the truth is, you are better off at BB in that regard anyway. There is nothing special about Sosua, and I have never understood why some advocate it so fiercely. You'll see it when you get there. Costambar has a beach too. Sosua has more restaurants to be sure, but for the most part, they are not substantially better than what you would find in Costambar. And if you are thinking you are missing genuine Dominican nightlife, forget it. At night, Sosua is just an expat girly hunting ground. If you want to meet other Dominicans, better to hang out in Puerto Plata or Santa Domingo.

The other option is to rent a car. That topic is somewhat controversial, with many thinking that the risk is too great to ever justify it. I disagree, though I do understand their point. The risk isn't theft or violence. its the risk of being involved in an accident, as DR drivers and motorcyclists are often crazy. I have rented a car before, as I hate being couped up on vacations. I drove only in the daytime to the various tourist attractions and beaches. I went without incident, though I will verify that some Dominican motorcyclists are absolutely crazy. But most of the time, i was driving on wide open roads. When you are near the towns, just slow down alot. Give up the right of way to everyone, even if you should have it.

That being said, there are also lots of horror stories as well. I think that you should buy a tourist book about the DR, and decide what it is you want to do. Then try to make arrangements for pickup and so forth, explaning that you will be in Costambar. Try as hard as you can to get along without a car. But if it can't be arranged, I wouldn't diminish your trip for the fear of driving. But if you want to rent a car just so you can punt in Sosua, then you are definitely introducing an unnecessary hazard.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1743824]Just limit your girly fun to BB. Sosua is a dump, and scams abound. Just read the Sosua pages. The best thing about places like BB is that that the girls are vetted, and fair behavior is incentivized by the fear of being kicked out. That ability to enforce good behavior is a rarity. That' what you are paying for at BB, really.

The problem is that BB is pretty far from everything else. If your only desire to getaway is for non-girly fun, that is easily arrangeable by things like publicos, as I assume you would return before dark. Lots of great stuff to do on the Northern Coast -- kite surfing in Cabarete, Damajuga Falls, etc. I assume that reputable tour services would pick you up. The problem is if you want to go out to Sosua and return at night. Then you are at the mercy of the taxi mafia. But the truth is, you are better off at BB in that regard anyway. There is nothing special about Sosua, and I have never understood why some advocate it so fiercely. You'll see it when you get there. Costambar has a beach too. Sosua has more restaurants to be sure, but for the most part, they are not substantially better than what you would find in Costambar. [/QUOTE]Everyplace, outside the high dollar resorts in the DR is a dump, when judged by first world standards. For someone staying at BBs, making a day trip to Sosua, just to get a chica ST, is silly.

On the other hand, the selection at BBs is rather limited and someone with high standards will quickly get tired of saying no while waiting his turn on the one or two chicas worth the pesos.

BBs is great for a laid-back, not too picky traveler, who wants to expend minimal energy. Food is pretty good, service is good, and the chicas are friendly.

There's nothing wrong with splitting a stay between BBs and Sosua. Spend a few days in each and compare. I stayed in 3 different hotels in Sosua and each room was as good or better than my room at BBs, and cheaper too.

At BBs, you might see about 20 different chicas to choose from in a given day, maybe a few more. In Sosua, at 10 am, a 10 minute walk will take you past that many chicas. At 10 pm, there's 100 or more within 50 feet of Rumbas.

My personal recommendation, for someone spending more than 4 days, split the time. Spend a few days at Blackbeard's then head to Sosua for a few days. Why limit yourself to just one experience?

[QUOTE=Manny51;1743824]Just limit your girly fun to BB. Sosua is a dump, and scams abound. Just read the Sosua pages. The best thing about places like BB is that that the girls are vetted, and fair behavior is incentivized by the fear of being kicked out. That ability to enforce good behavior is a rarity. That' what you are paying for at BB, really.

The problem is that BB is pretty far from everything else. If your only desire to getaway is for non-girly fun, that is easily arrangeable by things like publicos, as I assume you would return before dark. Lots of great stuff to do on the Northern Coast -- kite surfing in Cabarete, Damajuga Falls, etc. I assume that reputable tour services would pick you up. The problem is if you want to go out to Sosua and return at night. Then you are at the mercy of the taxi mafia. But the truth is, you are better off at BB in that regard anyway. There is nothing special about Sosua, and I have never understood why some advocate it so fiercely. You'll see it when you get there. Costambar has a beach too. Sosua has more restaurants to be sure, but for the most part, they are not substantially better than what you would find in Costambar. And if you are thinking you are missing genuine Dominican nightlife, forget it. At night, Sosua is just an expat girly hunting ground. If you want to meet other Dominicans, better to hang out in Puerto Plata or Santa Domingo.

The other option is to rent a car. That topic is somewhat controversial, with many thinking that the risk is too great to ever justify it. I disagree, though I do understand their point. The risk isn't theft or violence. its the risk of being involved in an accident, as DR drivers and motorcyclists are often crazy. I have rented a car before, as I hate being couped up on vacations. I drove only in the daytime to the various tourist attractions and beaches. I went without incident, though I will verify that some Dominican motorcyclists are absolutely crazy. But most of the time, i was driving on wide open roads. When you are near the towns, just slow down alot. Give up the right of way to everyone, even if you should have it.

That being said, there are also lots of horror stories as well. I think that you should buy a tourist book about the DR, and decide what it is you want to do. Then try to make arrangements for pickup and so forth, explaning that you will be in Costambar. Try as hard as you can to get along without a car. But if it can't be arranged, I wouldn't diminish your trip for the fear of driving. But if you want to rent a car just so you can punt in Sosua, then you are definitely introducing an unnecessary hazard.[/QUOTE]On the subject of driving, that can be very risky for a first-timer.

Observe the traffic for a while.

The locals are insane, and any accident will be YOUR fault, since you are the only one with money, and even the cops will have their hand out.

Unless you love taking chances, save for a later trip.

But it looks like the guy wants to try two different types of experience. For some people choice 50 chicas is not good enough.

BB offers several organised tours with pick up from hotel.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1743824]Just limit your girly fun to BB. Sosua is a dump, and scams abound. Just read the Sosua pages. The best thing about places like BB is that that the girls are vetted, and fair behavior is incentivized by the fear of being kicked out. That ability to enforce good behavior is a rarity. That' what you are paying for at BB, really.

The problem is that BB is pretty far from everything else. If your only desire to getaway is for non-girly fun, that is easily arrangeable by things like publicos, as I assume you would return before dark. Lots of great stuff to do on the Northern Coast -- kite surfing in Cabarete, Damajuga Falls, etc. I assume that reputable tour services would pick you up. The problem is if you want to go out to Sosua and return at night. Then you are at the mercy of the taxi mafia. But the truth is, you are better off at BB in that regard anyway. There is nothing special about Sosua, and I have never understood why some advocate it so fiercely. You'll see it when you get there. Costambar has a beach too. Sosua has more restaurants to be sure, but for the most part, they are not substantially better than what you would find in Costambar. And if you are thinking you are missing genuine Dominican nightlife, forget it. At night, Sosua is just an expat girly hunting ground. If you want to meet other Dominicans, better to hang out in Puerto Plata or Santa Domingo.
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[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1743855]On the subject of driving, that can be very risky for a first-timer.

Observe the traffic for a while.

The locals are insane, and any accident will be YOUR fault, since you are the only one with money, and even the cops will have their hand out.

Unless you love taking chances, save for a later trip.[/QUOTE]I don't think that driving gets any safer for veterans. Familiarity has nothing to do with it. The roads are not complicated. In fact, they are very simple. No way will you get lost. Its not the tourist causing the risk, its the native Dominicans.

In fact, I think that renting a car ONLY makes sense for first-timers. Its the first time that you go that you want to visit the tourist sites. But once you have seen them, repeat visitors are only there to play.

If you do get a car, then get it at the airport. The best part about renting a car is having complete control of your transportation to and from the airport. Rides to and from the airport are when people try to rip you off the most. Plus, you don't have to worry about getting to the airport late. Just get a good map, or get very good directions from the hotel you are staying at.

I have a strong suspicion that most of the people who get into accidents are driving at night or under the influence. At night, especially in Sosua, there are tons of people running randomly across the street. Lots of drunk people. Other cars whose headlights or taillights are broken. Very few, if any streetlamps. That's not to forget the few beers that YOU have had. I think that the risk driving is quadrupled at night.

If you REALLY want to see Sosua, then stay there the last night. At least that will make getting to the airport easy. Trust me, you won't be missing out.

I remember the first time I visited the DR, about 5-6 years ago. You hear and read so much about Sosua. In books, online. Investigative journalists always talk about it in expose's of the DR nightlife and "denizens of ill repute in foreign lands that threaten to infect the puritanical USA." So much that it kind of becomes legendary in your head. You just HAVE to see it. And when you get there, you are just so disappointed. Its just a few blocks of shit bars, with lots of average scantily clad women trying to get your attention. You will have read all the posts of guys who got ripped off, and you will wonder what the fuss is all about. You'll see a lot of American guys walking around drunk who need a shower. And local small restaurants serving poor versions of hamburgers and pizza.

It's not that Sosua is particularly bad. Its just that it doesn't live up to the legend. Its just a very average red light district. And after you see it for the first time, you'll wonder why anyone bothers to leave the other, more controlled environments, like BB, FOD, and when it was around, Oxygen.

But what do the rest of you think? Have things changed? I kind of wandered back into the DR forums because I have been following everything in the news about the Haitian expulsion.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1743938]If you REALLY want to see Sosua, then stay there the last night. At least that will make getting to the airport easy. Trust me, you won't be missing out.

I remember the first time I visited the DR, about 5-6 years ago. You hear and read so much about Sosua. In books, online. Investigative journalists always talk about it in expose's of the DR nightlife and "denizens of ill repute in foreign lands that threaten to infect the puritanical USA." So much that it kind of becomes legendary in your head. You just HAVE to see it. And when you get there, you are just so disappointed. Its just a few blocks of shit bars, with lots of average scantily clad women trying to get your attention. You will have read all the posts of guys who got ripped off, and you will wonder what the fuss is all about. You'll see a lot of American guys walking around drunk who need a shower. And local small restaurants serving poor versions of hamburgers and pizza.

It's not that Sosua is particularly bad. Its just that it doesn't live up to the legend. Its just a very average red light district. And after you see it for the first time, you'll wonder why anyone bothers to leave the other, more controlled environments, like BB, FOD, and when it was around, Oxygen.

But what do the rest of you think? Have things changed? I kind of wandered back into the DR forums because I have been following everything in the news about the Haitian expulsion.[/QUOTE]Either Sosua has undergone radical changes since 5 or 6 years ago, or your perceptions are off, or maybe you had unrealistic expectations.

During my 2 days at BBs I saw two women that I considered very attractive, and one of those was a bit of a disappointment once the clothes came off, although no complaints about her performance. The other, I didn't manage to work her into my schedule, so I can't say how she was. Most of the rest were in the okay to above average range and a few were in the I need another beer first category. Some of them were a lot of fun, but not much in the way of eye candy. Perhaps it is better on the weekends. I had a good time and may return someday, but if I had gone in with high expectations, I would have been disappointed.

Sosua is a mongering town in a 3rd world country. If you go there expecting a mix of Miami Beach and Las Vegas, you're going to be disappointed. But, if you look read the forum, do a little research, you'll find it's a relaxed little town with hundreds of available women, in all shapes and sizes. On any given day you can easily find 20 women who look as good or better than anyone you will find at BBs. Rather than having one restaurant and bar, except when the disco is open, you have dozens to choose from, with lower prices. Also, the women and hotel rooms are lower priced as well, at least some of them.

You describe Sosua as a dump, risky to visit, and I found it to be much different, and it lived up to my reasonable expectations.

For some people, the environment at FoD and BBs is perfect for them, others prefer the environment in Sosua. Just because Sosua isn't to your liking, that's no reason to unfairly trash the place.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1743950]Either Sosua has undergone radical changes since 5 or 6 years ago, or your perceptions are off, or maybe you had unrealistic expectations.

During my 2 days at BBs I saw two women that I considered very attractive, and one of those was a bit of a disappointment once the clothes came off, although no complaints about her performance. The other, I didn't manage to work her into my schedule, so I can't say how she was. Most of the rest were in the okay to above average range and a few were in the I need another beer first category. Some of them were a lot of fun, but not much in the way of eye candy. Perhaps it is better on the weekends. I had a good time and may return someday, but if I had gone in with high expectations, I would have been disappointed.

Sosua is a mongering town in a 3rd world country. If you go there expecting a mix of Miami Beach and Las Vegas, you're going to be disappointed. But, if you look read the forum, do a little research, you'll find it's a relaxed little town with hundreds of available women, in all shapes and sizes. On any given day you can easily find 20 women who look as good or better than anyone you will find at BBs. Rather than having one restaurant and bar, except when the disco is open, you have dozens to choose from, with lower prices. Also, the women and hotel rooms are lower priced as well, at least some of them.

You describe Sosua as a dump, risky to visit, and I found it to be much different, and it lived up to my reasonable expectations.

For some people, the environment at FoD and BBs is perfect for them, others prefer the environment in Sosua. Just because Sosua isn't to your liking, that's no reason to unfairly trash the place.[/QUOTE]I didn't say it was unsafe. What I do think is that it is nothing special. Sosua has a notoriety that it doesn't deserve. The women are no prettier than those at BB and FOD. The beach is not particularly nice. All these things can be duplicated at other better places on the North Coast, and for a better experience. And for a first timer planning a visit, getting bent out of shape trying to figure out transportation to visit both, all am I saying is that missing Sosua is not a big deal.

The best I have ever heard is people saying that they "enjoy the hunt,' and "to each his own. " I don't get it, but fine, whatever. But my response was aimed at the first time visitor, not the veteran. I think you would be hard pressed to make a case for Sosua for the first timer as opposed to BB.

Maybe you have some fond memories of the place. I didn't mean to insult them. But think about it. This is SOSUA you are defending.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1743968]I didn't say it was unsafe. What I do think is that it is nothing special. Sosua has a notoriety that it doesn't deserve. The women are no prettier than those at BB and FOD. The beach is not particularly nice. All these things can be duplicated at other better places on the North Coast, and for a better experience. And for a first timer planning a visit, getting bent out of shape trying to figure out transportation to visit both, all am I saying is that missing Sosua is not a big deal.

The best I have ever heard is people saying that they "enjoy the hunt,' and "to each his own. " I don't get it, but fine, whatever. But my response was aimed at the first time visitor, not the veteran. I think you would be hard pressed to make a case for Sosua for the first timer as opposed to BB.

Maybe you have some fond memories of the place. I didn't mean to insult them. But think about it. This is SOSUA you are defending.[/QUOTE]Well, I was a first timer. I went to Sosua for 6 days, Blackbeard's for 2 days and then spent 2 days in Santo Domingo for some sightseeing. My knowledge of Spanish is low and I'm not a seasoned mongering traveler.

Apparently the days I was at Blackbeard's was during give all the good looking girls time off week. As far as looks go, there were only 2 that I considered top notch. In comparison, the maid at Hotel Plaza Europa was better looking than any of the other girls at Blackbeard's and I'm pretty sure I could have had her for a reasonable price. Inside Rumbas, at night were easily 20 women better looking than the best I saw at Blackbeard's. I never made it to Classicos or Merengue, where the hottest women are said to be.

There's no hunting in Sosua. Just walk down the street and say "No" until you find the one you want, or sit down at any of the open cafes or bars and wait until your type walks by. If you do that in Rumbas, you will have a difficult time deciding, because there will be plenty of your type trying to get your attention.

Both Blackbeard's and Sosua are excellent options for the first time visitor. If the person doesn't want to worry about making decisions and just wants to spend his tome laying by the pool, eating and playing with the chicas, without ever having to move more than 150 feet from his room, Blackbeard's is the place. You can't go wrong and it's a great experience. At least I enjoyed my time there.

On the other hand, if a visitor likes having options and isn't afraid to venture out of the hotel, Sosua is a good place. I had a good time and I thought both of Sosua's beaches were quite nice.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1743938]I don't think that driving gets any safer for veterans. Familiarity has nothing to do with it. The roads are not complicated. In fact, they are very simple. No way will you get lost. Its not the tourist causing the risk, its the native Dominicans.

In fact, I think that renting a car ONLY makes sense for first-timers. Its the first time that you go that you want to visit the tourist sites. But once you have seen them, repeat visitors are only there to play.

If you do get a car, then get it at the airport. The best part about renting a car is having complete control of your transportation to and from the airport. Rides to and from the airport are when people try to rip you off the most. Plus, you don't have to worry about getting to the airport late. Just get a good map, or get very good directions from the hotel you are staying at.

I have a strong suspicion that most of the people who get into accidents are driving at night or under the influence. At night, especially in Sosua, there are tons of people running randomly across the street. Lots of drunk people. Other cars whose headlights or taillights are broken. Very few, if any streetlamps. That's not to forget the few beers that YOU have had. I think that the risk driving is quadrupled at night.

If you REALLY want to see Sosua, then stay there the last night. At least that will make getting to the airport easy. Trust me, you won't be missing out.

I remember the first time I visited the DR, about 5-6 years ago. You hear and read so much about Sosua. In books, online. Investigative journalists always talk about it in expose's of the DR nightlife and "denizens of ill repute in foreign lands that threaten to infect the puritanical USA." So much that it kind of becomes legendary in your head. You just HAVE to see it. And when you get there, you are just so disappointed. Its just a few blocks of shit bars, with lots of average scantily clad women trying to get your attention. You will have read all the posts of guys who got ripped off, and you will wonder what the fuss is all about. You'll see a lot of American guys walking around drunk who need a shower. And local small restaurants serving poor versions of hamburgers and pizza.

It's not that Sosua is particularly bad. Its just that it doesn't live up to the legend. Its just a very average red light district. And after you see it for the first time, you'll wonder why anyone bothers to leave the other, more controlled environments, like BB, FOD, and when it was around, Oxygen.

But what do the rest of you think? Have things changed? I kind of wandered back into the DR forums because I have been following everything in the news about the Haitian expulsion.[/QUOTE]
Just to explain my thoughts, I think one should observe Dominican drivers a bit, especially the motoconchos. They invite death, and the gringo will pay.
A newbie needs to be aware how those idiots drive, to be aware and on guard when on the road.

True experience: I was in one town, in the left lane, with my left turn signal on, waiting for oncoming traffic to pass, to make a left turn.

Once it was clear, I began the turn, - and a motoconcho (with passenger) slammed into the driver's door, ripping off the rear view mirror.

I watched the bike, the driver, and the female passenger sliding past on the asphalt.

I was in shock, imagining jail, lawsuits, how a delay might affect my job, etc.

It was only the girl I was with that saved me. Took passengers to local clinic, so no police report, paid small medical expenses at clinic, etc.

Even got squeezed for helping the idiot pay for damages to his bike, just to get out of there.

Point is, you can bet it will not be YOUR fault, but it doesn't matter. YOU will pay.

And one needs to be prepared for the idiots on motoconchos, because logic, reason, and traffic laws mean nothing there.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1744160]Just to explain my thoughts, I think one should observe Dominican drivers a bit, especially the motoconchos. They invite death, and the gringo will pay.
A newbie needs to be aware how those idiots drive, to be aware and on guard when on the road.

True experience: I was in one town, in the left lane, with my left turn signal on, waiting for oncoming traffic to pass, to make a left turn.

Once it was clear, I began the turn, - and a motoconcho (with passenger) slammed into the driver's door, ripping off the rear view mirror.

I watched the bike, the driver, and the female passenger sliding past on the asphalt.

I was in shock, imagining jail, lawsuits, how a delay might affect my job, etc.

It was only the girl I was with that saved me. Took passengers to local clinic, so no police report, paid small medical expenses at clinic, etc.

Even got squeezed for helping the idiot pay for damages to his bike, just to get out of there.

Point is, you can bet it will not be YOUR fault, but it doesn't matter. YOU will pay.

And one needs to be prepared for the idiots on motoconchos, because logic, reason, and traffic laws mean nothing there.[/QUOTE]Great story. In fact, I think I remember reading it before I left for the trip when I rented a car. I always looked behind me before making any turns.

Was the accident in the daytime or at night? If at night, did he have a headlight on? Had you had any booze?

That being said, why do you think that the "gringo will pay?" You volunteered to pay his expenses to avoid a nasty court thing. I would have done the same. But it didn't go to court. A police officer didnt say "well, its your fault, so you pay." For all you know, you may have been vindicated if it went through the system.

Unless there is more to the story, the lesson I take away is 1) you handled it well, and 2) always give right of way, and look behind you on turns.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1744005]Well, I was a first timer. I went to Sosua for 6 days, Blackbeard's for 2 days and then spent 2 days in Santo Domingo for some sightseeing. My knowledge of Spanish is low and I'm not a seasoned mongering traveler.

Apparently the days I was at Blackbeard's was during give all the good looking girls time off week. As far as looks go, there were only 2 that I considered top notch. In comparison, the maid at Hotel Plaza Europa was better looking than any of the other girls at Blackbeard's and I'm pretty sure I could have had her for a reasonable price. Inside Rumbas, at night were easily 20 women better looking than the best I saw at Blackbeard's. I never made it to Classicos or Merengue, where the hottest women are said to be.

There's no hunting in Sosua. Just walk down the street and say "No" until you find the one you want, or sit down at any of the open cafes or bars and wait until your type walks by. If you do that in Rumbas, you will have a difficult time deciding, because there will be plenty of your type trying to get your attention.

Both Blackbeard's and Sosua are excellent options for the first time visitor. If the person doesn't want to worry about making decisions and just wants to spend his tome laying by the pool, eating and playing with the chicas, without ever having to move more than 150 feet from his room, Blackbeard's is the place. You can't go wrong and it's a great experience. At least I enjoyed my time there.

On the other hand, if a visitor likes having options and isn't afraid to venture out of the hotel, Sosua is a good place. I had a good time and I thought both of Sosua's beaches were quite nice.[/QUOTE]When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1744209]When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.[/QUOTE]The girls prefer to work at BB for the controlled environment and security for them as well.

No danger of street violence, robbery, sexual assault, abuse by police (or possibly by clients).

For security and quality control, I always liked BB.

Street action is strictly "buyer beware. ".

I have been to BB twice and have no plans of returning. The women were just OK. Most were 6 or 7 nothing special. Everything there is ok but not special. I will take the streets of Sosua every time. At BB you have 15 to 20 chicas laying around bored. The 2 or 3 hot ones are used constantly and are hard to schedule. Me personally do not like knowing the girl I just fucked was sucking the guys next to me dick the night before. BB girls are committed hard core pros. Sosua has a variety of women with different perspectives. There is a difference between a full time pro and a college girl getting cash for school. To each his own. Casas are a big turn off to me. The illusion of hunting in Sosua is a big turn on for me.
Some women like the ablity to not fuck some guys.










[QUOTE=Manny51;1744209]When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manny51;1744209]When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.[/QUOTE]Well, if you can't imagine it, there's a very simple solution. Go to Blackbeard's, take along a notebook and rate each girl. Rate her on her face, her body, with and without clothes, try to estimate her age, and rate her attitude and performance. Then go to Sosua. Sit down at Rumbas and just start rating the girls. Rate 30 or 40 of them on the visible areas, and however many you can on attitude and performance.

Here's my results from Blackbeard's, where I had some experience with 7 different girls, 1 only in room, 5 only in jacuzzi and 1 in both places. I'm sorry it's not a more exhaustive list, but I was suffering from a severe head cold those 2 days.

#1 In room. Face decent until closer inspection revealed makeup covering acne. Small firm breasts, ass a bit big for my taste. Attitude at bar excellent. Attitude in room below average. Lots of restrictions and my tastes are very tame. Quite a bit of a primadonna attitude. Performance just average. Age probably early 20's.

#2 In jacuzzi with #3 - face slightly above average. Body above average clothed, slightly below average unclothed, sagging issues. Attitude above average. Performance average. Age late 20's.

#3 In jacuzzi and room. Face slightly below average. Body average. Attitude and performance, both places, above average. Age mid to late 20's.

#4 In jacuzzi. Face excellent. Body clothed excellent, unclothed above average. Attitude and performance between above average and excellent. Age late teens to early 20's.

#5 In jacuzzi. Face above average. Body above average clothed, average unclothed. Attitude above average to excellent. Performance excellent. Age mid to late 20's.

#6 in jacuzzi. Face average. Body below average, long hairs on nipples and small of back. Attitude and performance above average. Age late 20's.

#7 In jacuzzi. Face aversge. Body below average with some weird skin growths. Attitude and performance above average. Age late 20's.

In Sosua, even though I was there longer, only 4 to rate. Between sightseeing and sampling different eating establishments, I was distracted from the pursuit of chicas.

#1 - Face excellent. Body excellent. Attitude average. Performance below average. Age 18.

#2 - Face excellent. Body excellent. Attitude Excellent. Performance Excellent with honors. Age 18 to 24.

#3 - Face above average. Body average. Attitude above average. Performance excellent. Age mid 20's.

#4 - Face above average. Body above average. Attitude average. Performance average. Age mid 20's.

As I've said, I enjoyed both places. At Blackbeard's I was much more active because there really wasn't anything else to do. It's like a nice comfortable strip joint with a swimming pool.

In Sosua I found more people to talk to, found more things to do and see and found many more choices when it came to chicas. I also enjoyed all of the people watching opportunities.

My initial plans were along the lines of BBs, although a different place with more accessible outside options. I changed my plans because of costs and because I wanted a broader experience. If I had spent my entire trip at Blackbeard's, I would probably have little desire to return. Instead, I am hoping to return, to Blackbeard's, Sosua and to experience other spots as well.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1744267]Well, if you can't imagine it, there's a very simple solution. Go to Blackbeard's, take along a notebook and rate each girl. Rate her on her face, her body, with and without clothes, try to estimate her age, and rate her attitude and performance. Then go to Sosua. Sit down at Rumbas and just start rating the girls. Rate 30 or 40 of them on the visible areas, and however many you can on attitude and performance.

Here's my results from Blackbeard's, where I had some experience with 7 different girls, 1 only in room, 5 only in jacuzzi and 1 in both places. I'm sorry it's not a more exhaustive list, but I was suffering from a severe head cold those 2 days.

In Sosua I found more people to talk to, found more things to do and see and found many more choices when it came to chicas. I also enjoyed all of the people watching opportunities.

My initial plans were along the lines of BBs, although a different place with more accessible outside options. I changed my plans because of costs and because I wanted a broader experience. If I had spent my entire trip at Blackbeard's, I would probably have little desire to return. Instead, I am hoping to return, to Blackbeard's, Sosua and to experience other spots as well.[/QUOTE]One on one debating about where the girls are prettier is an exercise in futility. I have found that, when it comes to black women, opinions of beauty vary WIDELY. Girls that some guys complement as "thick," I find fat. I'll often go to the Photo Gallery section and scratch my head when I see guys posting pictures and waxing poetic about women I find completely ordinary. I do agree that the only fair way to assess beauty is to go and check it out yourself.

Of course there may be some women who truly prefer working on the street. Fine. But once you accept that most women would probably prefer to work at BB if they could, it behooves you to ask WHY they are not there. It may have been because they tried to rip off customers too often, got caught stealing, or failed a basic STD screen.