Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[QUOTE=Blizz]If I divide the world into pro's (prostitutes) and non-pro's (good girl) I would run into serious trouble in Philippines. It seems to me that every girl I met has some form of sex/relationship for money.

Question 1 to all of you is: "Do all Filipino girls expect some money for you, even if you are in a normal gf-bf relationship? And would they be with you even if you give them nothing (besides the normal dinner, movies, etc)?

I do not know how to distinguish a pro or semi-pro from a good girl as they all have a need for money and will ask for it. I do understand that they are poor and the need for money can be so strong that they overcome their shame or shyness and ask for money.

I have this notion that good girls do not ask for money or if there is great need they will find a way to return the money eventually. This was confirmed by a Filipino girl in Davao who said she would never ask for money and work harder to find the money herself.

An example is a girl I met on DIA in Cebu and we agreed on spending time together for 2 weeks taking trips and she asked for p1000, for expenses. Not a problem. However now as I am back home, she is asking for p10.000 saying that her family is in great need of a source of income as her brother lost his job and her father can't work due to heart attacks. The money would be needed for starting a small shop. I tend to believe her, as I visited her home and met her parents. Her family is poor and there is a great need for money.

I just don't know if it's a scam or not, or if there is a desperately need for money. It seems that, a girl putting up this type of scam and a poor girl with bad luck, would both behave in the same way, so how can I distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl?

Question 2: How to distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl, if the good girl desperately needs money?

Thanks,

Blizz[/QUOTE]Blizz,

"Question 1 to all of you is: "Do all Filipino girls expect some money for you, even if you are in a normal gf-bf relationship? ""

I have never been to the PI, but I have been to several Latin American / 3d world countries, so I will throw in my .02:

3rd World Women are the same all over the world. In ALL third world countries they typically expect money or support from you in return for their company. (I have had only one exception to this rule). In any poor 3rd world country you are wealthy to them. If you were a multi-millionaire dating in hot young chicks in the states, I am sure that these women would also hit you up for money - expecting you to be their "SugarDaddy"

"I do not know how to distinguish a pro or semi-pro from a good girl as they all have a need for money and will ask for it."

If a girl is unemployed and u ask her to spend a week with you - and she says no - she is a pro. A pro can make more money by working the bars. A pro will charge you PER sex act. A semi-pro only works part-time. In Ecuador, I tried to pry pros away to join me for an extended trip, but they would not go. She has a job. Semi-pro/good girl - is there a distinction? Even the good girls will ask for and expect money/gifts. Perhaps if u met a 45year old Phillipina (or one your age) she might be a truly good girl and not ask u for money.

"Question 2: How to distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl, if the good girl desperately needs money? "

10,000 Pesos is probably a scam. 1,000 pesos is legitimate. It's all a polite way to get money out of you without appearing to be a prostitute.

That having been said, there are a lot of legitimate needs in the PI, due to the poverty. If she is not married to you or your committed partner, I wouldn't feel obligated to giving her money to fix the family roof.

[QUOTE=X Man]The obvious scammers are the ones who jumped on the bandwagen yesterday. The good ones are the ones who steal your heart and trust first.[/QUOTE]X Man - What a nugget of wisdom!

I learned this lesson the hard way (When my heart was broken !). This has hardened my heart and led me to sport-fucking.

I will print this out and carry it around with me in a wallet.

I still chat with at least nine girls who I know through the bar scene in my various trips to various countries. All are married to foreigners and have babies now and have left the scene in their past. Good girl vs Bad girl? Alot of guys don't care about the girls background. Reminds me of a friend of mine back in Korea. I fucking this unbeliveably fine, 19 year old filipina nympho in Korea for several months but, alas, I had to leave the country, so I told him everything she liked to do, like "lick and suck my balls", "stick her tongue in my ass", "loved getting fucked while she was on the rag", and so on and so forth. After I left the country he started seeing her and eventually married her. They now have two children and seem very happy together. I guess some men are just looking for one good piece of ass, and others, like myself can't seem to get enough variety in their diet.

Yella Man


[QUOTE=Finrod]I had that experience with FH a few years back. Only two girls I met through there were into getting married AND never asked me for anything. I liked them both a lot, but I wasn't interested in marriage so we moved on without the bedroom part. All the others were asking for help one way or another regardless of their short- or long-term goals.

For those who want to find someone to marry, FH is wasted money and I think this probably goes for other sites though I won't pass judgment as I've never been on them. If I ever want to get married to a filipina, I'd start by looking for expat friends who have married well and network my way from there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yella Man] Reminds me of a friend of mine back in Korea. I fucking this unbeliveably fine, 19 year old filipina nympho in Korea for several months but, alas, I had to leave the country, so I told him everything she liked to do, like "lick and suck my balls", "stick her tongue in my ass", "loved getting fucked while she was on the rag", and so on and so forth. After I left the country he started seeing her and eventually married her. They now have two children and seem very happy together. I guess some men are just looking for one good piece of ass, and others, like myself can't seem to get enough variety in their diet.

Yella Man[/QUOTE]

I had an old Army buddy back in the States who was educated and managed to land a high powered career with a well known computer company. He was in his late 20s at the time. Who did he decide to marry?....A 23 year old ex-Shabu using whorish Filipina in my unit who had not a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in and a window to throw out of. He had already been divorced twice via American women. He works she takes care of the kids from his previous marriages.

I just think some guys need that emotional attachment to a woman regardless of her background or socioeconomic status.

They also do seem happy though.

[QUOTE=Blizz]

Question 1 to all of you is: "Do all Filipino girls expect some money for you, even if you are in a normal gf-bf relationship? And would they be with you even if you give them nothing (besides the normal dinner, movies, etc)?

Blizz[/QUOTE]

I think people unnecessarily dissect Filipino character for no reason.

People judge Filipinos based on few months of living here and some bad experiences they had and judge whole of the Philippines in one single shot of light.

First of all, The word "Third World" has nothing to do with economic well being or GDP or a condition of moral well being.

It was a word coined by French economist and demographer Alfred Sauvy, who coined the term Third World, referring to countries particularly in the Middle East, South Asia, Central and South America, Africa, and Oceania, that were unaligned with either the Communist Soviet bloc or the Capitalist NATO bloc during the Cold War.

The term Third World arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned or neutral with either capitalism and NATO (which along with its allies represented the First World) or communism and the Soviet Union (which along with its allies represented the Second World).

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World[/url]

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I would suggest at least live here for six months to a year, before making any conclusions.

Filipinos are no different from us, when i came here, being from India, i felt i was discriminated and the only chance i had to get laid was with bar girls.

How wrong, six months living here and my thought and existence has taken a 180 degree turn.

We are our own worst enemy, its impossible to be any other way than "experience" our life as time passes by as we get more experience and change our views.

Man is not all about GDP and economy...Man is spiritual in nature and our life experience are a growth in spirituality than GDP numbers.
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After living in Manila for six months and six month in cebu last year, i observed there are a million women who would not ask you money to a 1000 who would, the problem is "marketing" and "exposure".

The girls who wants money advertise themselves more openly on the Internet and chat rooms with the women who does not, the problem is we need to live here, get the aura of the place and one will intuitively know which girl is after money and which girl is genuine.

Filipinos are very very friendlier people and they have a different unique cultural background even with the outside American culture, Filipinos are different.

Do your act in front of a Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Russian or US girls the same way we do with filipinas and we would know, where we stand....our act of stupidity runs as far as filipina or Thai girls are with us, no other girl would buy the shit that we throw at them. period

Don t equate money with pleasure and friendliness, do this with an Indian, arab, eu or us girls, it wont count...atleast never ever in India.

There are lots of call centers girls, nurses, doctors, manager filipinas who are willing to go on a date and earn above 50k per month.

Most of the dude who come here does not have time to invest to find local good girls, they only find girls who market themselves for money.

Philippines has unlimited possibility in hooking up with women, they come in all sorts of shape, size, color, some ask money, some dont.

Please spend at least six months here and then you will never even see a girl who will ask you for money.

Its the whole Aura or getting the vibe of the place thing.

Put the girl to a test, i tested many times and asked working good job Filipina girls money and they were willing to give whatever they had at that time.

Filipino culture or Asian is like a big family, they all share emotions and wealth to a greater extent than Europe or America.

Everyone lives together, support each other, asking money is no big deal here, friendship really matters a lot to Filipinos.

Here women have a lot of respect for men, i would say now with Internet and all, it is IMPOSSIBLE to meet a non money asking filipina at first. please understand this.

Not to be ignorant, there is a lot of economic problems in here, yet, there is no other country on planet as approachable as the filipinas as here, with all the economic conditions that they live in.

Good Luck

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Please spend at least six months here and then you will never even see a girl who will ask you for money.[/QUOTE]You are right, of course. I am searching for ways that would allow me to spend more time in Philippines, yet gives me enough income to be comfortable. Haven't found it yet.

[QUOTE=Blizz]Question 2: How to distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl, if the good girl desperately needs money?

Blizz[/QUOTE]How about not bothering about this? Give her the money if you have it to share. Money are never lost, it just change owners. Her family will get the cash no matter if you are the first or the tenth guy that gives her 10 000 peso. And then they will spend it in their little circle and someone else will have some money. And then they change owners again and sooner or later someone deserving according to your moral standards will get it.

Send her the money and cut of your Red Cross International donations. I am sure she needs it better.

Is she a scammer? Yes, to some extent in my opinion. Why? Because she asked for money. I have at least five girls I see regularly, that never ask me for money. Never. They work hard and do not see me as an exit. Normal girls. Or I would even say outstandingly good girls. The kind of girls you can find only in the Philippines where I people are still decent. An unique country of decent people, but with an urgent need for being pragmatic. Do I give them money? Yes of course. Dis I ever see any woman without giving her money or gifts? No, never.

Having this said about my 5+ good gfs, one must never forget that for many perfectly normal girls in Philippines. And the rest of the world (s). Financial security comes first. Love will grow on a couple, but financial security is a must from day one. That is the definition of a happy marriage. I have it very close and have seen the process. And yes, I can only say that it is love as real as any today. All are happy, so why question if it was real?

Born Looser 5, I love your posts. You posses clarity and an open mind.

Regards,

Barba

[QUOTE=Barba]How about not bothering about this? Give her the money if you have it to share. Money are never lost, it just change owners. Her family will get the cash no matter if you are the first or the tenth guy that gives her 10 000 peso. And then they will spend it in their little circle and someone else will have some money. And then they change owners again and sooner or later someone deserving according to your moral standards will get it.

Is she a scammer? Yes, to some extent in my opinion. Why? Because she asked for money. I have at least five girls I see regularly, that never ask me for money. Never. They work hard and do not see me as an exit. Normal girls. Or I would even say outstandingly good girls. The kind of girls you can find only in the Philippines where I people are still decent. An unique country of decent people, but with an urgent need for being pragmatic. Do I give them money? Yes of course. Dis I ever see any woman without giving her money or gifts? No, never.

Having this said about my 5+ good gfs, one must never forget that for many perfectly normal girls in Philippines.

Barba[/QUOTE]

Case in point... had had an afternoon boom boom session recently in Manila. I offered to give the girl P200 so she could take a taxi home. No thanks, she says. I have P20 in my pocket so I can take the jeep then a trike.

I'm with Barba on this subject. This is an extremely poor country, and by all indications that I can observe, it's getting poorer, or at least creating lots more poor people. So the fact is that most people need money, many for basic survival, and ultimately, whatever funds you provide will be put to good use. There are so few decent jobs here, and the odds on securing meaningful employment, even with a degree, are minimal, so people do what they need to do in order to survive. If this involves "scamming" it's unfortunate, but the economic situation being what it is, it's not surprising.
GE

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] I think people unnecessarily dissect Filipino character for no reason.

People judge Filipinos based on few months of living here and some bad experiences they had and judge whole of the Philippines in one single shot of light. [/QUOTE]
Not I. I have hung around them in the USA, South Korea, Japan, Dubai/UAE and one year down of being a property owner in PI.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] First of all, The word "Third World" has nothing to do with economic well being or GDP or a condition of moral well being. [/QUOTE]
Hmmm? Poor people no matter what country always make the best crooks.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] I would suggest at least live here for six months to a year, before making any conclusions. [/QUOTE]
I have.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] Filipinos are no different from us, when i came here, being from India, i felt i was discriminated and the only chance i had to get laid was with bar girls. [/QUOTE]
They are different from us. Very different. GE tried to point this out to me last year in a post but I disagreed but the light bulb has clicked on. I have worked with Indians in Dubai and in Afghanistan Filipinos are not like you guys either. Anyone here can meet so-call normal girls but at what price? Sponsorship…. A parasitic marriage or relationship?

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=788977&postcount=715[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=788712&postcount=710[/url]
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] How wrong, six months living here and my thought and existence has taken a 180 degree turn. [/QUOTE]

I have too.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] Man is not all about GDP and economy...Man is spiritual in nature and our life experience are a growth in spirituality than GDP numbers. [/QUOTE]

I also I don’t know about that one. I didn’t experience life until my personal GDP grew. I remember a couple of years back looking out at the crystal blue water of Phuket from the balcony of my hotel room after the poverty from which I grew up in and I thought about my personal GDP and how that made this possible.


[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] Filipinos are very very friendlier people [/QUOTE]
This comes down to personal experiences.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] Do your act in front of a Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Russian or US girls the same way we do with filipinas and we would know, where we stand....our act of stupidity runs as far as filipina or Thai girls are with us, no other girl would buy the shit that we throw at them. period[/QUOTE]
Could you please explain this more?
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] There are lots of call centers girls, nurses, doctors, manager filipinas who are willing to go on a date and earn above 50k per month. [/QUOTE]
Unemployed or under-employed Nurses are a dime a dozen here. I have one I am fooling around with in Metro Manila at this moment another I hung out with last year in Cebu. A lot of them got on the “become a Nurse and go overseas and make buku dollars” bandwagon but just like the IT gold rush of the States a lot of them found this was a bust.

A Filipino doctor belongs to the upper echelon of Filipino society and if a guy is a plumber or something I doubt just because you are a foreigner she would be interested in you. A guy would have to bring more to the table to land one of those young high-professionals or an Exec. They tend to marry other hi-so Filipinos.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] Please spend at least six months here and then you will never even see a girl who will ask you for money. [/QUOTE]
This is not true. Just ask the only guy who has his own forum on the PI threads and he has been here for years.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Filipino culture or Asian is like a big family, they all share emotions and wealth to a greater extent than Europe or America. [/QUOTE]
Yeah in PI they teach interpendance but in my country its everyman for themselves and this is what I live by. Carry your own weight. I guess you would call this a clash of cultures.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] Everyone lives together, support each other, asking money is no big deal here, friendship really matters a lot to Filipinos. [/QUOTE]
Asking for money is always a big deal BL I don’t know maybe some of you guys are rich. I earn a decent salary but I cringe when I hear those words can you loan or can I borrow?
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] Here women have a lot of respect for men, i would say now with Internet and all, it is IMPOSSIBLE to meet a non money asking filipina at first. please understand this. [/QUOTE]
Hmmm. Respect in what form?
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] Not to be ignorant, there is a lot of economic problems in here, yet, there is no other country on planet as approachable as the filipinas as here, with all the economic conditions that they live in. [/QUOTE]
That is exactly the reason why they are so approachable because of the economic conditions. I lived in Japan for 8 months and there is an abundance of Filipinas there but they are not so approachable and will ignore most advances from men just ask one prominent poster on this thread. Why because they have the potential to earn decent money and they are already living in one the world’s pristine countries so no need for a visa also.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I'm with Barba on this subject. This is an extremely poor country, and by all indications that I can observe, it's getting poorer, or at least creating lots more poor people. So the fact is that most people need money, many for basic survival, and ultimately, whatever funds you provide will be put to good use. There are so few decent jobs here, and the odds on securing meaningful employment, even with a degree, are minimal, so people do what they need to do in order to survive. If this involves "scamming" it's unfortunate, but the economic situation being what it is, it's not surprising.
GE[/QUOTE]

[url]http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20090710-214895/Weighing-Arroyo-and-her-administration[/url]

[QUOTE=Warbucks]That is exactly the reason why they are so approachable because of the economic conditions. I lived in Japan for 8 months and there is an abundance of Filipinas there but they are not so approachable and will ignore most advances from men just ask one prominent poster on this thread. Why because they have the potential to earn decent money and they are already living in one the world's pristine countries so no need for a visa also.[/QUOTE]I'm with the Warbucks/GE crowd. Warbucks made the point so eloquently in the above paragraph. I have also noticed the same behavoir from Filipinas in the USA. They are "not so approachable." If Filipinas were intrinsically open, warm, approachable women, then they would remain so, even in Japan. Yet Warbucks has shown that their attitude changes once they get into the good life.

In Cuba I met a stunningly beautiful 21yo girl that said she had her EXIT VISA and was leaving in 2 months. Because I enjoyed her company and her beauty, I took her out on a date. Even though she was very friendly and affectionate with me, I dropped the relationship, because I knew that there was nothing I could offer her. As soon as she got to the states she'd dump me for someone her own age.

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Ok, so it is at least not some parsing software but a human being.

Got your directive! Will comply. And I hope I influenced future editing.

I am not sure who "me" refers to but if it is ever an issue I will find out.

Best from Barba

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Wow, Thanks for reading and writing it up step by step. you sound like illogic, are you his bro ? ;)


[quote]Hmmm? Poor people no matter what country always make the best crooks.[/quote]

I don't know if money being good relates to crookedness, cos Bernie maddoff, wall street and banking crisis were in US and europe...and they were the greatest and biggest fraud done ever on earth in the richest country.


[quote]They are different from us. Very different. GE tried to point this out to me last year in a post but I disagreed but the light bulb has clicked on. I have worked with Indians in Dubai and in Afghanistan Filipinos are not like you guys either. Anyone here can meet so-call normal girls but at what price? Sponsorship…. A parasitic marriage or relationship?[/quote]

I really hope you spend some time in India and with Indian women and know the frustration we face to have sex in India, India has the highest avg. year when men have sex than any country....i think im desperate enough to get whatever i can

[quote]I also I don’t know about that one. I didn’t experience life until my personal GDP grew. I remember a couple of years back looking out at the crystal blue water of Phuket from the balcony of my hotel room after the poverty from which I grew up in and I thought about my personal GDP and how that made this possible.[/quote]

Really its the other way, when your destiny and karma calls, your GDP will grow, spirituality precedes materialism.

I guess this is the difference between oriental and occidental thinking.

[quote]Could you please explain this more?[/quote]

I have encountered russian, arab, japanese, korean and UK US girls in india, thailand, singapore, hong kong, macau and here in PH, but everywhere, the most approachable women, are from PH, may be its my personal experience.

I have called normal working women i mean like call centre managers into my condo in first date pretending that to just visit and then have fun with them and then just leave them cold. i mean no calls, whatever, i just forget about them and what i get nothing in return, no angry messages, calls, NO CURSES, not ones but many times, women here, are not aggressive or revengeful..In India if i were to do that...i would be cursed to hell 1000 times with angry message and calls and threatened to put my balls on fire :)

In India, women will take your money and then curse you as well...its never enough...never ever enough anything u do.

[quote]Unemployed or under-employed Nurses are a dime a dozen here. I have one I am fooling around with in Metro Manila at this moment another I hung out with last year in Cebu. A lot of them got on the “become a Nurse and go overseas and make buku dollars” bandwagon but just like the IT gold rush of the States a lot of them found this was a bust.

A Filipino doctor belongs to the upper echelon of Filipino society and if a guy is a plumber or something I doubt just because you are a foreigner she would be interested in you. A guy would have to bring more to the table to land one of those young high-professionals or an Exec. They tend to marry other hi-so Filipinos. [/quote]

I agree, docter's are in elite group, but their friends necessarily aren't..if one can hook up with normal docters friends...there is a way to get to them ..they dont ad themselves in Dating sites, but there friends are

[quote]

This is not true. Just ask the only guy who has his own forum on the PI threads and he has been here for years.[/quote]

Man, i don't know, may be i got a different experience, or i have lower standard.....but truly..im not encountering any women that have asked me money as they used to as before.....well, it may be a temporary phase..after sometime ..lets see if i meet them again.

[quote]Asking for money is always a big deal BL I don’t know maybe some of you guys are rich. I earn a decent salary but I cringe when I hear those words can you loan or can I borrow? [/quote]

Not like in capitalism i meant, it could be more understandable, money is not everything and not the only thing....people and cultures have different goals than earning just money.

1 in 9 American live in Food stamps, thats nearly 30 Millions, similar numbers are unemployed and live on benefits.

If it was not for world war 2 and bretten woods and making USD as world reserve currency, we may have seen the same pattern in US now people asking for money worse...there will be riots and killing on streets...is that any better...

In US people don't ask money they steal :D kidding

i'm not sure, if Filipinos ask money while they live in US or Europe...they are not as crazy as here as one may think...its economic problem...their pleas for money could be understood...

During great depression of 30's in US...everyone was asking for money from friends and relatives and begging and lotting everywhere..now they are not...if Philippine is too become a rich country...slowly asking money will also go.

[quote]Hmmm. Respect in what form? [/quote]

May be i'm from India and no women looks at Indian men as cleanly as they would do with other men :)

Personally, I'm living a dream, I thought one night stands are stuff of Hollywood and for an Indian middle class guy to get laid so many times....i just think...it could be no other way than respect for being a man and nothing else..i hear lot of us having a good time in PH ..well the amount of money i spend here and double the money i spent in India..i got a crappy deal , shit bars and lots of unwanted curses.

i got an upgrade from women here..:)

[quote]That is exactly the reason why they are so approachable because of the economic conditions. I lived in Japan for 8 months and there is an abundance of Filipinas there but they are not so approachable and will ignore most advances from men just ask one prominent poster on this thread. Why because they have the potential to earn decent money and they are already living in one the world’s pristine countries so no need for a visa also.[/quote]

I wish you visit India once..i would be happy to show you around...Indians live in mass poverty, and yet women are as unapproachable as women from Arab country which are some of the richest countries in the world.

We cant even see Arab women face and they are rich...many women from pakistan, India, srilanka, bangladesh, are unapproachable..call their culture or religion....the fact is half of women on the earth are unapproachable due to religion or culture or what to talk about American women..which people from US itself write..so we have left with less than 30% or so south east Asian women who are approachable easily.

I would say, you are right, about meeting Filipino women in japan, however, from where i come from, even with mass poverty and Arab riches, women are unapproachable.

i think, opinion, life's point of view, does not matter in the long run, they change over time, i have changed my own view 100 times about the PH... it could be my survival that makes me paint a rosy picture of what it is not.

Good Luck

Hello Blizz,

I read your post part 2, and the comments from other ISGers.

They seem to me to be a cynical lot.

My experience is different to yours, but there are common elements.

The main difference is that I have been back and forth to Phils since about 1995, but irregularly. So I have had some experience of filipinas. And I have worked with quite a few, and employed a few on various jobs over the years.

Having lived in their houses, and met their friends, I can say that filipinas are no different to conventional western women when it comes to finding a wife or long term partner.There are squillions of them, but you never get to meet them. Just stand on a street corner in Manila and watch them stream by, there is a pretty good percentage of really attractive ones, almost none of th great fat slugs in my country, and almost all of them are regular, straight women.

I use Cherry Blossom for my dating site, because it has almost the best search engine. By using the search engine, I can be fairly specific about the physical characteristics of the woman I am looking for. Tall, thin, between 25 and 35, no kids.

I wrote a very specific profile, about what I want, and no scammers.

I said specifically that I will not send money or give money till there is a relationship, so don't waste my time and yours.

Also, the service includes the ability to post a profile called a "match" and I get daily matches by email.

I take qute a lot of time back and forth, I get them to move across to email, and I get a phone number. On email we can send photos back and forth, and sometimes I will chat of YM, or CB.

Of the women who have made it through the sorting process, maybe 5 in a hundred, all but one has been pretty genuine.

A couple have been stunners.

None have asked for money, or not till I have offered.

Most would be lower middle class, family not starving, with a regular job, but often not well paying. And they are honest, no need to lock my valuables, they get things done.

So they are there, and they are real treasures.

All would be marriage material, and two are front runners for permanent relationships right now.

The big problem with this approach is that all of them but one have regular jobs, so they can not take time off to spend with me for more than a weekend. So I have to go to them, and get a hotel nearish to their work, and we spend weekends and evenings together.

So, don't give up. They are there, and they are worth it.

And it is much easier than in western countries, where the women tend to put you through the wringer.

Good luck,

Gangles