FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

The way some of the posters here are supporting, some even promoting, increase of pricing for well established standard German FKK services, feels like they are not even customers, rather WGs with fake handles or the managers (pimps) of the WGs.

On the other hand, I'm going to try a different approach in my next visit. We all know that even the hottest and most popular WGs are also complaining many times (though not always) that business is down and they are not making as much as they used to months or years back. Next time any WG who I like complains that she didn't make enough that day, I will ask her to reduce price to get my business, typical market/spot pricing model, with maybe some volume discount for multiple hours if I want to continue. That will be win-win for both the seller and the buyer. Simple!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2363899]Next time any WG who I like complains that she didn't make enough that day, I will ask her to reduce price to get my business, typical market/spot pricing model, with maybe some volume discount for multiple hours if I want to continue. That will be win-win for both the seller and the buyer. Simple![/QUOTE]You overestimate the business acumen of most of the girls LOL! The way most of them see it, they probably think they should raise prices when business is bad. And that's precisely the wrong time to raise prices!

[QUOTE=Canary;2363233]I don't confess to being an expert as I live in the UK but I have been to Sharks 6/7 times this year and can honestly say that I find it easier finding girls who accept the 50/100 rate (including BBBJ, DFK) than finding the greedy ones who want 100 for 30 minutes.

If it was standard to pay 100/30 I wouldn't attend Sharks or any other venue in Germany.

[/QUOTE]I'm with Canary, Turgid and others on this. I just do not agree that there has been any change. I was at Sharks 2 weeks ago, had a great time with Yvonna and the much sought after Scarlett. Scarlett is a young, attractive brunette with a great attitude and good service. For sure she would have rejected a 50/30 offering. I think THAT is what has changed. With a lot of girls not willing to often wait for the room / then 30 minutes /50 euros / back down / shower / wait again. Scarlett was very happy to accept the proposal of 100/60. I’ve never met any girl who isn’t in 6 years of attending FKKs

But the suggestion that the pretty girls will no longer entertain 100/60 standard sessions is just wrong. I have absolutely zero refusal rate on that at Sharks / Mainhattan / Oase / Palace / and Artemis (120/60).

And I am also with Canary on his ending. The day a girl becomes 200/60 at a club where I'm already having to pay 65 or more for entry (70 Oase /75 Palace /80 Artemis) then I'm afraid my trips to Germany and FKK land will become few and far between.

Whilst I love the roaming naked ladies, the quality of the Line up NEVER matches that at Vive Madrid in any of the FKKs. And I can pay 17 entry there and 240 for an hour with any of the 100+ truly stunning models. And Madrid beats Frankfurt as a City hands down. Further south in Spain on the Costa Del Sol you can go to a private villa and sunbathe with up to 20 very attractive naked ladies, no entry and 250/ hour for girls who are not in an out of rooms all day long and tired or bored looking. And for those prices many will include what are considered extras in FKK clubs (not anal as that appears to always be extra) but CIM / CIF / COB / BDSM. Often standard at these prices.

If I go to FKK Sharks, pay 65 in, take a girl for one hour with a 50 extra (150) my one fuck has cost me 215 euros in not very attractive surroundings with clubs often on industrial estates or in the middle of countryside (Oase) meaning travel to them should be added as a cost. It means currently that a session like this in FKK land is coming out at near 300 for a tourist. That is on CURRENT prices. It is easy to see how a stunner in Spain / Italy / Dubai now starts to not look too expensive at 240 with 17 entry = 257. No food in that price but then at Mainhattan or Oase I'm not sure I want it anyway and I often now ensure I eat well before I go to an FKK. So I include nothing for that.

So I hope those who own the FKK clubs not only in Frankfurt but around Germany read these ISG boards and realise this. Your tourist contingent will continue to make the trips if the price v value equation makes sense. In days when at Samya it was 50/30 then 25/30 (remember that? That equation benefited the punter. It has changed since the July 17 law change (what a waste of time that was) but I'm afraid FKKs will become far less attractive to visit if prices really do go up beyond 100/60. Beyond that and the pricing model will mean that other locations provide much better value for money than Germany. It is perhaps quite apt that this happens to be my 1000th post - and many of them in FKK forums... I hope the pricing models don’t change so that I am still posting in FKK forums on my 2000th post.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2363915]I'm with Canary, Turgid and others on this. I just do not agree that there has been any change. I was at Sharks 2 weeks ago, had a great time with Yvonna and the much sought after Scarlett. Scarlett is a young, attractive brunette with a great attitude and good service. For sure she would have rejected a 50/30 offering. I think THAT is what has changed. With a lot of girls not willing to often wait for the room / then 30 minutes /50 euros / back down / shower / wait again. Scarlett was very happy to accept the proposal of 100/60. Ive never met any girl who isnt in 6 years of attending FKKs

But the suggestion that the pretty girls will no longer entertain 100/60 standard sessions is just wrong. I have absolutely zero refusal rate on that at Sharks / Mainhattan / Oase / Palace / and Artemis (120/60).

And I am also with Canary on his ending. The day a girl becomes 200/60 at a club where I'm already having to pay 65 or more for entry (70 Oase /75 Palace /80 Artemis) then I'm afraid my trips to Germany and FKK land will become few and far between.

Whilst I love the roaming naked ladies, the quality of the Line up NEVER matches that at Vive Madrid in any of the FKKs. And I can pay 17 entry there and 240 for an hour with any of the 100+ truly stunning models. And Madrid beats Frankfurt as a City hands down. Further south in Spain on the Costa Del Sol you can go to a private villa and sunbathe with up to 20 very attractive naked ladies, no entry and 250/ hour for girls who are not in an out of rooms all day long and tired or bored looking. And for those prices many will include what are considered extras in FKK clubs (not anal as that appears to always be extra) but CIM / CIF / COB / BDSM. Often standard at these prices..[/QUOTE]Yes, Samya was the last for 75/ h until August 2016, when GT and LR increased from 75 to 100 when Oceans opened because they were afraid girls would move to Oceans. At Gold, I could have paid only 40 for more than 40 mn with 2 pretty and sweet GFE girls for me, but facts are one of the prettiest at Sharks, even no wow face, but Melissa ask 100 for 30 mn or 150 for 1 h, and yes, some girls like cute Angel, another of prettiest, don t want for 30 mn. Not a problem for me because I m not a rabbit, I prefer to take my time when I enjoy and with our VIP room jacuzzi foreplay, we had 1 h30 for club rate. I prefer quality than quantity, only 1 beauty is enough for me. All girls don t worth same rate for me, beauty worth more for me, little girls or GND don t worth I pay for. I m not into South Americans except Argentinians and Venezuelans, but did You visit Alicante clubs? Of course town and foods are paradise, for sure Germany can t compete with Spain for foods, but I'm more into Romanian fresh beauties than too fake moaning South Americans.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2363915]But the suggestion that the pretty girls will no longer entertain 100/60 standard sessions is just wrong. I have absolutely zero refusal rate on that at Sharks / Mainhattan / Oase / Palace / and Artemis (120/60). And I am also with Canary on his ending. The day a girl becomes 200/60 at a club where I'm already having to pay 65 or more for entry (70 Oase /75 Palace /80 Artemis) then I'm afraid my trips to Germany and FKK land will become few and far between.

Whilst I love the roaming naked ladies, the quality of the Line up NEVER matches that at Vive Madrid in any of the FKKs. And I can pay 17 entry there and 240 for an hour with any of the 100+ truly stunning models. And Madrid beats Frankfurt as a City hands down. Further south in Spain on the Costa Del Sol you can go to a private villa and sunbathe with up to 20 very attractive naked ladies, no entry and 250/ hour for girls who are not in an out of rooms all day long and tired or bored looking. And for those prices many will include what are considered extras in FKK clubs (not anal as that appears to always be extra) but CIM / CIF / COB / BDSM. Often standard at these prices.[/QUOTE]I agree with much of what you wrote. Now, because I am an "anal connoisseur", I often pay 200 euros or more for a session. But, the day another 100 euros becomes attached to that as a part of base pricing, then yes I am out. I cannot agree with all of what you wrote about Spain however, which is my second favorite European destination.

Madrid is surely superior to Frankfurt as a tourist city, but for me a place like Vive Madrid cannot top the best FKK sauna clubs. Sure, you have a lot of tutes there to choose from, but for the price, I found the quality of the service and what you can expect to get to be far too uneven for the high 250 euros you quote. Too many of the girls did not want to do BBBJs, and I got no anal the last time I was at Vive, although I have gotten anal there before. Club Estark at Hotel Diana Plus was a much, much better value (and got lots of anal sex the last time). Not nearly as many girls to choose from, but I only need two or three on any one visit to be satisfied. Club Estark is my consistent favored spot in Madrid for hot girls doing dirty things.

So yes, I like Spain, but for me Germany reigns supreme in Europe when it comes to mongering. You can go to an FKK and change and shower and relax. Take your time. Use the facilities. Have something to eat and drink. And I normally never have too many problems finding a handful of girls who will deliver consistent service delivering exactly what I want (BBBJ / CIM, massage, ass fuck) over an hour-long session for around 200 to 300 euros depending. I cannot say the same thing for a place like Vive Madrid in Spain, or other like establishments in that country. Too inconsistent, not as comfortable an experience where I might want to hang out all day. When it comes to the sex alone, I choose The Fatherland.

[QUOTE=GunningPeter;2362917]

Pricing has changed people: expect to pay 100 for half hour for BBBJ and DFK.

[/QUOTE]This is as clear example of "Fake News" as I've seen in many moons. The pricing has NOT changed. But some of the posting here has.

Enough said.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2363960]I agree with much of what you wrote. Now, because I am an "anal connoisseur", I often pay 200 euros or more for a session.
[/QUOTE]Welcome to my favorite sport? Hobby? Travel Destination? But I am a mere grasshopper to your venerable experience! Still, I agree. When I discuss anal with a lady, I expect to pay 200 or 250. It's not that I want to pay that much, but I find the girls who are prepared to give anal have usually "prepared" for the evening and usually treat the extra price as part of an hour or more of enjoyable sex. They seem to know you've paid extra and like the event to be sexy.

My favorite by the way is Rebecca in Coliseum if you get over there Mr. Cane! I'm not in Sharks for my first visit til November but I will share any experiences here on the board.

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2364065]Welcome to my favorite sport? Hobby? Travel Destination? But I am a mere grasshopper to your venerable experience! Still, I agree. When I discuss anal with a lady, I expect to pay 200 or 250. It's not that I want to pay that much, but I find the girls who are prepared to give anal have usually "prepared" for the evening and usually treat the extra price as part of an hour or more of enjoyable sex. They seem to know you've paid extra and like the event to be sexy.

My favorite by the way is Rebecca in Coliseum if you get over there Mr. Cane! I'm not in Sharks for my first visit til November but I will share any experiences here on the board.[/QUOTE]Had many times anal, and I don't believe the girls prepare for it, how many times I had a lot of shit on the condom even the last time I had anal at Oase in the room under the relax area, no window, poor ventilation and the girl who name starts with A had even pooped a lot so a lot of. On the sofa left to the door, on the floor and the smell was just terrible after that I decided to never have anal in any FKK. Better to do it with escort at least for me.

[QUOTE=Ortos;2364033]The pricing has NOT changed. But some of the posting here has.[/QUOTE]Well said as per usual Ortos. I think controversial statements / reports regarding rip-off pricing in FKK Sharks or FKK Oase or indeed any controversial reporting can only be taken seriously if reported on by an ISG member in good standing. In other words a member who has a reporting history stretching back years (without any suspicious gaps / breaks) and not new to the board in the last 12 to 18 months. That's the way I look at any reports on ISG Germany FKK Clubs and particularly controversial reports. Obviously if The Cane, Sirioja, PayForIt or indeed your good self were to make such a statement about rip off pricing in Sharks, I would pay great attention but anyone else who falls outside the ISG Member in good standing category, I don't think I would pay much (any) attention at all. Sorry, I don't mean to offend any one. Just too much shall we say "leg-pulling" going on for me to take a much different attitude. I really believe in encouraging genuine new members on this Board as can be seen by my recent inclusion of BrownFish1234 in the Reports of Distinction Thread. A great report from a genuine new member who wants to contribute to this forum.

I think its not only important to encourage genuine new members but also to respect senior members who have been posting/reporting on this board for years (without strange breaks etc) and who have helped build this board with solid behaviour, solid posts and reports. Handles with a few months or even a year or two on this board are in no way equivalent to these senior members such as the names given as examples above.

Can I also add that I have not experienced any unusual pricing in any recent trip to this club. Certainly nothing like that indicated in a recent post.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2363960]I agree with much of what you wrote. Now, because I am an "anal connoisseur", I often pay 200 euros or more for a session. But, the day another 100 euros becomes attached to that as a part of base pricing, then yes I am out.[/QUOTE]"Anal connoisseurs" have nothing to worry about when visiting the Germany FKK scene. The girls will be happy to go with you as you will be regarded as a good payer. Thus; you will also experience less fuss than the "cheap Charlie" max 50 E guy. Even in upselling places like Palace.

Of course you know this, but I nevertheless mention it for the firsttimers to the Germany FKK Club scene: "Anal" is not a standard service that every girl will provide. But it has a fixed extra price of 100 E (50 E in the NRW) per session. Just ask any girl for this service. If she will not partake herself, then she will immediately find two of her friends for you.

Anyways, my personal feeling is that "anal" as a service is much more prevalent now than it was 10- 15 years ago. Again, "anal connoisseurs" have nothing to worry about.

[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2364119]Can I also add that I have not experienced any unusual pricing in any recent trip to this club. Certainly nothing like that indicated in a recent post.[/QUOTE]6 visits and 15+ sessions at Oase and 1 visit and 2 sessions at Sharks in the last four weeks. And zero upselling!

Too many fake handles around here. ISG is infested by pimps, girls, and the mentally ill. Genuine firsttimers be aware.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2363915]It is perhaps quite apt that this happens to be my 1000th post - and many of them in FKK forums... I hope the pricing models dont change so that I am still posting in FKK forums on my 2000th post.[/QUOTE]Well done [B]PayForIt[/B]! Many thanks for all the great posts and specially for all the great club reports!

[QUOTE=Shark16;2364137]6 visits and 15+ sessions at Oase and 1 visit and 2 sessions at Sharks in the last four weeks. And zero upselling![/QUOTE]I could only get €100 sessions at Sharks last April.

[QUOTE=BarryManila;2361103]Latest information of the management: The completion of the project will take longer than until 22.08.[/QUOTE]Any more news with regard to these renovations? Have they completed yet? I will be in Frankfurt next week and might drop into Sharks if the place has returned to some normality.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2364098]Had many times anal, and I don't believe the girls prepare for it, how many times I had a lot of shit on the condom even the last time I had anal at Oase in the room under the relax area, no window, poor ventilation and the girl who name starts with A had even pooped a lot so a lot of. On the sofa left to the door, on the floor and the smell was just terrible after that I decided to never have anal in any FKK. Better to do it with escort at least for me.[/QUOTE]All of my visits to FKKs, and I have had only one unpleasant anal experience, and it was not nearly as bad as you describe. Was a Colombian girl who used to work at Oase. That leaves me believing that given how many FKK girls I have butt fucked over the years, I've got to think that the overwhelming majority of the girls who provide anal service have to be preparing themselves. I mean I just can't believe my good fortunes have all been due to pure luck. If I, a prolific cornholer of tutes, had been experiencing anything like what you write, then I would not like anal at all, and never would have become "The Cane" LOL!