Medellin Reports

Centro SW scene is bigger grander, a bit more interesting, and quite a bit more dangerous. On previous visits, I strolled the Centro SW area every night, which was not smart. I have never seen another gringo at night which is telling. I'm sure there are other gringos but not enough that we would run into each other. The girls can range from 5 to a very rare 9. (only one time) Price can range from 30 K to 70 K per half an hour and the room cost from 15 k and up. Again, most of time I'm offered the "gringo with no Spanish pays more" price. (I still negotiate down) A whole lot of girls but doable girls are a smaller percentage. I find the hissing sound they make funny as it matches some of the girls personality, and it is best to stay away. Girls are far more aggressive as well. Beggars and trans are a significantly bigger and constant problem than la mayorista. Again, it's best to pull the girl to your nearby hotel to avoid the crazy room cost per session. I rather pay the girl a little more than pay the room cost per session. All nights have a lot of girls but on weekends the number of girls explode. Unfortunately, drunk locals up the demand (it's their city) and can be really be possessive with the better looking girls, whether the girl likes it or not. Safety, an active awareness of your surroundings, techniques to avoid conflict cannot be stressed enough. Stay in the streets where taxi's are easily available. Hide into casinos if you feel being targeted. And you should be long gone before the street food vendors start packing up for the night. The police presence provides a false sense of security. They are not really present to protect gringos and they disappear rather early in the night. The centro Strip clubs are also an option. They also have a small interested of keeping the order so it's safer. But somehow you will find some disturbingly unattractive girls in the mix. You can find 7 to 9's pretty easy with a price from 80 k and up with the onsite room. In my opinion, centro strip clubs are not the place to take too much time with your selection as the cost can rack up even before being with the girl. To start strip-club expects you to buy drinks. (obviously) The other cost is the customary tipping once a girl gets off stage of P1000 to P2000. And this can be the fattest laziest "your eyes are bleeding" kinda dancing with no pole tricks. You can refuse to tip but it's going to be a big hassle after every dance. (every 5 minutes) It is also the case that even the door man keeps asking for tips once they remember your face. My advice, pick the girls quickly and get her number to hopefully arrange a meetup at your hotel later on. The girls also keep really irregular hours with no really schedule, and would suddenly disappear or walk out. So get the girls when you see them quickly. Downtown casas are my favorite. Unfortunately, the girls I cultivated in my previous trips are no longer working in casas. This trip I find the quality of girls to be lacking from the previous trips. So I am starting from square one, auditioning girls hard 5 or 6 times a day. Those casa stairs make my knees ache just by looking at them. Casas so far have ranged from 35 K to 40 K per half an hour, 65 k and up for hour. I recommend collecting cards off the streets as they have interesting promo rates at new or old casas. I have found one "it" girl which I am thanking the almighty for. Need better Cardio and the awesome empanadas aren't helping.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2033849]I have been to MDE a few times but most of my Colombia trips are focused on Cartagena. On my last MDE trip, I spent some time with a family, who I had met previously, and the daughter in the family told me that she and her BF, a paisano, had recently moved from El Poblado to Sabaneta. They both still work in Parque LLeras area and have professional jobs. At the time, I thought Sabaneta was a rural area, outside of MDE, but recently discovered this community actually has light rail connections to central MDE, less expensive long term accommodations, and most important a lively night life on the weekends with many clubs and restaurants located in and around a bustling town plaza. I was under the impression from researching this area that many middle class paisanas also go to the dance clubs and restaurants though no mention of P4 P but, nevertheless, the chance to meet regular girls sounds appealing.

I am wondering if any BM's live or hang out there and can offer opinions about Sabaneta. In addition to the other features I mentioned above, it is said to be less polluted and hectic than central MDE and has a small town feel though with easy access to El Poblado etc.

My only concern about Sabaneta appears to be the weather. On my weather app, it appears that constant rain or chance of rain seems to be a prevalent weather pattern here (for the next ten days) or is the spring time considered rainy season.[/QUOTE]The Family that have "adopted" me has their family base in Sabaneta. The barrio is new, fresh, have all you need. I strongly recommend it. Another place, where this family has is restaurant is arround Estadio Girardot; it's close to Parque Natural, Apartahotel Montes (which is a new hotel with low prices, a lot of business men often open have a beer with their prepagos on the little outside cafe / restaurant, which I never seen before so openly), the new massage place and good old Energy (nowadays overpriced), and a little area called Suramericana where you can rent apartments cheap. Lot's of bars and small restaurants. And you can walk to La 70 in 10 min. Sabaneta feel like the realistic place for an mddle income western guy, for vacation or long-term stays, living permanently. Poblado: It's even more expensive than "at home", especially the malls. And it's far away from everything! So why go there? To met other extranjeros and see your bank account get empty very fast, making the experience a tradgedy. Anyway, despite poverty and violence, Medellin has a vibrant nightlife and dirt cheap taxi, tennis, gym filled with 3/4 nude babes, malls, Juan Valdez, Parque Explora and many many other things. Besides having the best climate in the world (a slighly minus for the height 1500 m above sea level). Sabaneta is well worth a try after some further investigations. Medellin is growing at a fast pace, but it not always turns out well. A part of Bello fell apart 2012, due to building in areas with heavy water pressure coming down into the valley Aburra and are a constant problem, since cheating with the construction-quality has been abundant due to the huge demand after 2002, and the population density is extreme, so we might see new Sabanetas growing up or old poor barrios up on the hills change status. And paisas will always be willing to have sex with extranjeros, it's in their DNA. And being overall good looking this is Paradise Medellin (Old Frank Casio term). Many the same or even better basic conditions exist in Arequipa, Cusco in Peru, but the girl are not hot, it's like they have a different DNA, and nor are they beautiful, and if they are, they become arrogant. Arequipas sexscene is like 1% of Medellin's. (But there shall be a good place under "the old bridge" that I missed, but the girls there -are said to be from- Colombia).

Also look at around a place in Laureles that is called "El Cafetero". It's has a Bodytech gym and Exito and a EPS (health care) center. Further up the avenue there are restaurants, bars etc. Santa Teresita it's called and are coming on strong. If you like the gym, go there before the girls go to work and you will see enough female beauty than you do in a costly night at Parque Lleras.

Many place I know, are shown to me by paisas and paisa-friends. So the language is the key!

Thank you, Jack Sparrow. I actually lived in Cusco for two years, several years ago, and have to agree the woman are not attractive, provincial, and quite conservative as well. The only chance to get laid was perhaps to meet a girl from Lima who might travel there for a short vacation but never could quite pull that off to conclusion. For a time, I was getting laid through a Peruvian guy I met on this board who hooked me up with a young local girl. After a time, she decided to raise her 'price' and I bid her adieu. I used to save my pennies so I could take a discount priced flight to Lima. There aren't even massage places in Cusco that offer he.

A year after I left, a 'mall' opened up in Cusco. It was rather small but had an escalator, the only one in Cusco besides the airport, but they had to station a guard at the bottom to instruct some of the locals how to use this transport mode.

I also spent time in Arequipa. It's a nice pretty town with a generally good climate -- better than Lima. However, the women, though more attractive than their Cusco counterparts, were equally conservative. There is no P4 P that I was aware of though I did go to a massage place that had rooms but found the girls in the end were not worth the effort.

But I appreciate your comments on Sabaneta. It sounds more and more like a nice place. Like you, I also have an adopted family in MDE. In fact, the daughter I mentioned tried to set me up with her Mom. She's an attractive woman for her age but speaks little English and does not fall into the hottie category. The only issue is to keep my wandering eye in neutral when I am with
'mi familia'.

Thanks see. Jack Sparrow. I actually lived in Cusco for two years, several years ago, and have to agree the woman are not attractive, provincial, and quite conservative as well. The only chance to get laid was perhaps to meet a girl from Lima who might travel there for a short vacation but never could quite pull that off to conclusion. For a time, I was getting laid through a Peruvian guy I met on this board who hooked me up with a young local girl. After a time, she decided to raise her 'price' and I bid her adieu. I used to save my pennies so I could take a discount priced flight to Lima. There aren't even massage places in Cusco that offer he.

A year after I left, a 'mall' opened up in Cusco. It was rather small but had an escalator, the only one in Cusco besides the airport, but they had to station a guard at the bottom to instruct some of the locals how to use this transport mode.

I also spent time in Arequipa. It's a nice pretty town with a generally good climate -- better than Lima. However, the women, though more attractive than their Cusco counterparts, were equally conservative. There is no P4 P that I was aware of though I did go to a massage place that had rooms but found the girls in the end were not worth the effort.

But I appreciate your comments on Sabaneta. It sounds more and more like a nice place. Like you, I also have an adopted family in MDE. In fact, the daughter I mentioned tried to set me up with her Mom. She's an attractive woman for her age but speaks little English and does not fall into the hottie category. The only issue is to keep my wandering eye in neutral when I am with.

'mi familia'.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;2034753] Or 'y'all' which is not a word of any kind in English. [/QUOTE]Y'all = conjunction (I think, I'm not an English major) for You All. Y'all refers to a group of people instead of the singular you.

"I'll see Y'all later!" is telling a group (more than one) of people that I will see them later. As opposed to "I will see you later!" which could be misunderstood for I will see you later but I will not see the rest of the people in the group later!

Y'all have a good Day!

El Mechanico.

P.S. Why does this software change capital Ys to WHY?

Can anyone recommend an apartment near Parque Lleras? I'm sure someone has given this info already but I can't seem to find it. Last time I stayed in a hotel and had to pay every time I brought a chica over.

Medellin has 16 comunas (districts), 5 corregimientos (townships), and 271 barrios. So for the non-locals when discussing a good neighborhood it would be helpful if you listed some major cross roads or geographical features that would make it easier to find on a map.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;2034968]The Family that have "adopted" me has their family base in Sabaneta. The barrio is new, fresh, have all you need. I strongly recommend it. Another place, where this family has is restaurant is arround Estadio Girardot; it's close to Parque Natural, Apartahotel Montes (which is a new hotel with low prices, a lot of business men often open have a beer with their prepagos on the little outside cafe / restaurant, which I never seen before so openly), the new massage place and good old Energy (nowadays overpriced), and a little area called Suramericana where you can rent apartments cheap. Lot's of bars and small restaurants. And you can walk to La 70 in 10 min. Sabaneta feel like the realistic place for an mddle income western guy, for vacation or long-term stays, living permanently. Poblado: It's even more expensive than "at home", especially the malls. And it's far away from everything! So why go there? To met other extranjeros and see your bank account get empty very fast, making the experience a tradgedy. Anyway, despite poverty and violence, Medellin has a vibrant nightlife and dirt cheap taxi, tennis, gym filled with 3/4 nude babes, malls, Juan Valdez, Parque Explora and many many other things. Besides having the best climate in the world (a slighly minus for the height 1500 m above sea level). Sabaneta is well worth a try after some further investigations. Medellin is growing at a fast pace, but it not always turns out well. A part of Bello fell apart 2012, due to building in areas with heavy water pressure coming down into the valley Aburra and are a constant problem, since cheating with the construction-quality has been abundant due to the huge demand after 2002, and the population density is extreme, so we might see new Sabanetas growing up or old poor barrios up on the hills change status...[/QUOTE]

In English, "you" is both singular and plural, depending on who you are addressing. Some say "you all" is a Southern saying, but people in the North use it also.

30,000 including room is the going rate for SWs near the Museo de Antioquia. If you pay more you are getting ripped off.

[QUOTE=Number43;2034936]Centro SW scene is bigger grander, a bit more interesting, and quite a bit more dangerous. On previous visits, I strolled the Centro SW area every night, which was not smart. I have never seen another gringo at night which is telling. I'm sure there are other gringos but not enough that we would run into each other. The girls can range from 5 to a very rare 9. (only one time) Price can range from 30 K to 70 K per half an hour and the room cost from 15 k and up. Again, most of time I'm offered the "gringo with no Spanish pays more" price. (I still negotiate down) A whole lot of girls but doable girls are a smaller percentage. I find the hissing sound they make funny as it matches some of the girls personality, and it is best to stay away. Girls are far more aggressive as well. Beggars and trans are a significantly bigger and constant problem than la mayorista. Again, it's best to pull the girl to your nearby hotel to avoid the crazy room cost per session. I rather pay the girl a little more than pay the room cost per session. All nights have a lot of girls but on weekends the number of girls explode. Unfortunately, drunk locals up the demand (it's their city) and can be really be possessive with the better looking girls, whether the girl likes it or not. Safety, an active awareness of your surroundings, techniques to avoid conflict cannot be stressed enough. Stay in the streets where taxi's are easily available. Hide into casinos if you feel being targeted. And you should be long gone before the street food vendors start packing up for the night. The police presence provides a false sense of security. They are not really present to protect gringos and they disappear rather early in the night. The centro Strip clubs are also an option. They also have a small interested of keeping the order so it's safer..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2035097] Some say "you all" is a Southern saying, but people in the North use it also.[/QUOTE]Yeah, people in the north who grew up in the south.

I spent a week cruising the Centro SW's (not so much streetwalker's as unaffiliated hookers who have a nearby hotel IMO) and I paid 30,000 including the room. I am fluent in Spanish though,. Personally I would be long gone by sundown, even before 5 when the locals show up. Did you cruise more the VeraCruz little white church block (which I liked) or the Raudal corner of Calle 53/ Ave de Greiff & Carrera 54 area? (which I didn't like, seemed more dangerous).

And compared to the Hi-end clubs like Fase II I thought the Centro strip clubs were great and reasonably priced. Are you really bitching about tipping a girl 1,000/2,000 p which is like $.33 to $.66 cents? Take's a while before that adds up to anything. And better then the girls thinking you are a cheap SOB. LOL.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=Number43;2034936]Centro SW scene is bigger grander, a bit more interesting, and quite a bit more dangerous. On previous visits, I strolled the Centro SW area every night, which was not smart. I have never seen another gringo at night which is telling. I'm sure there are other gringos but not enough that we would run into each other. The girls can range from 5 to a very rare 9. (only one time) Price can range from 30 K to 70 K per half an hour and the room cost from 15 k and up. Again, most of time I'm offered the "gringo with no Spanish pays more" price. (I still negotiate down) A whole lot of girls but doable girls are a smaller percentage. I find the hissing sound they make funny as it matches some of the girls personality, and it is best to stay away. Girls are far more aggressive as well. Beggars and trans are a significantly bigger and constant problem than la mayorista. Again, it's best to pull the girl to your nearby hotel to avoid the crazy room cost per session. I rather pay the girl a little more than pay the room cost per session. All nights have a lot of girls but on weekends the number of girls explode. Unfortunately, drunk locals up the demand (it's their city) and can be really be possessive with the better looking girls, whether the girl likes it or not. Safety, an active awareness of your surroundings, techniques to avoid conflict cannot be stressed enough. Stay in the streets where taxi's are easily available. Hide into casinos if you feel being targeted. And you should be long gone before the street food vendors start packing up for the night. The police presence provides a false sense of security. They are not really present to protect gringos and they disappear rather early in the night. The centro Strip clubs are also an option. They also have a small interested of keeping the order so it's safer..[/QUOTE]

BTW, which Centro strip clubs were you in?

I liked Conejitas the most followed by Barre Ejectiva, didn't care much for Maracaibo or Grille Nueva Avenida (just to the right of Conejitas).

Didn't make it into Bar Occidental or Taberna Victoria.

[QUOTE=Number43;2034936]Centro SW scene is bigger grander, a bit more interesting, and quite a bit more dangerous. On previous visits, I strolled the Centro SW area every night, which was not smart. I have never seen another gringo at night which is telling. I'm sure there are other gringos but not enough that we would run into each other. The girls can range from 5 to a very rare 9. (only one time) Price can range from 30 K to 70 K per half an hour and the room cost from 15 k and up. Again, most of time I'm offered the "gringo with no Spanish pays more" price. (I still negotiate down) A whole lot of girls but doable girls are a smaller percentage. I find the hissing sound they make funny as it matches some of the girls personality, and it is best to stay away. Girls are far more aggressive as well. Beggars and trans are a significantly bigger and constant problem than la mayorista. Again, it's best to pull the girl to your nearby hotel to avoid the crazy room cost per session. I rather pay the girl a little more than pay the room cost per session. All nights have a lot of girls but on weekends the number of girls explode. Unfortunately, drunk locals up the demand (it's their city) and can be really be possessive with the better looking girls, whether the girl likes it or not. Safety, an active awareness of your surroundings, techniques to avoid conflict cannot be stressed enough. Stay in the streets where taxi's are easily available. Hide into casinos if you feel being targeted. And you should be long gone before the street food vendors start packing up for the night. The police presence provides a false sense of security. They are not really present to protect gringos and they disappear rather early in the night. The centro Strip clubs are also an option. They also have a small interested of keeping the order so it's safer..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Number43;2034936]Centro SW scene is bigger grander, a bit more interesting, and quite a bit more dangerous. On previous visits, I strolled the Centro SW area every night, which was not smart. I have never seen another gringo at night which is telling.[/QUOTE]What were your late hours like in Centro? Was it only the Veracruz area?

How late did you stay at Mayorista? Were there cabs on the strip ready to take you back home?

[QUOTE=Number43;2034936]Unfortunately, drunk locals up the demand (it's their city) and can be really be possessive with the better looking girls[/quote]

Drunks being possessive sounds like a recipe for disaster.

[QUOTE=Number43;2034936] The centro Strip clubs are also an option. They also have a small interested of keeping the order so it's safer. But somehow you will find some disturbingly unattractive girls in the mix. You can find 7 to 9's pretty easy with a price from 80 k and up with the onsite room. In my opinion, centro strip clubs are not the place to take too much time with your selection as the cost can rack up even before being with the girl. To start strip-club expects you to buy drinks. (obviously) The other cost is the customary tipping once a girl gets off stage of P1000 to P2000. And this can be the fattest laziest "your eyes are bleeding" kinda dancing with no pole tricks. You can refuse to tip but it's going to be a big hassle after every dance. (every 5 minutes) It is also the case that even the door man keeps asking for tips once they remember your face. My advice, pick the girls quickly and get her number to hopefully arrange a meetup at your hotel later on. The girls also keep really irregular hours with no really schedule, and would suddenly disappear or walk out. So get the girls when you see them quickly. .[/QUOTE]All though I do agree it's painful to tip the real bow-wow's, my avoidance technique involved either a trip to the bathroom or walk out to the front door like I was on a cel call.

Also earlier in the day the stage was empty at least half the time. I mean they are really just brothels masquerading as strip clubs.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2035136]What were your late hours like in Centro? Was it only the Veracruz area?

How late did you stay at Mayorista? Were there cabs on the strip ready to take you back home?



Drunks being possessive sounds like a recipe for disaster.[/QUOTE]All over Centro at night gets more dangerous.

You have to keep your eyes open and your stupidity down.

Be paranoid.

I was there last night, but with a buddy, so much better.

Much easier when you got eachother's back. Also it's harder to mug two guys than one.

I met am old favorite that I incredibly enough had met on the streets of Centro.

Love Motel for a few hours.

I brought her an unexpected refurbed iPhone 5. Looked brand new.

She came unglued with the love, LOL.

The Mayo has taxis there all night long into the wee hours to take you wherever you want to go.

Also hit the Mansion for an employee going-away party. Got invited.

Lots of beautiful Paisas there!!

Some cool guys there, however, funny how the macho high testosterone guys there like to flex their muscles and show their babe off.

Good for them though that they escape from pussy prison for some excitement.

I get it.

Some talk about it, some actually do it.

Travel and enjoy.